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this is "the story." right now at the border in california, we are watching a big increase in the number of people who are crossing. bill melugin is live in california today. bill, obviously we've seen a push to this direction since texas tightened their own border. now people are looking for other open spots and ending up in california. >> yeah, martha. i want to show you something crazy happening out here. this is the first time i've seen this in my coverage of the border. take a look at this mountain. this is a huge rocky steep mountain. might be hard. we're trying to zoom in. there's literally like an ant trail of illegal immigrants coming down this valley, this crevice in this mountain walking down and coming down to the bottom here waiting to be apprehended by border patrol. this line goes from the bottom where i am all the way to the very top of this mountain toward where the rocks are. we got the drone on it and our

ground camera. might be very hard to see. three men made it down the hill already. they came and talked to us. they were all there kazakhstan. a big group of chinese migrants behind us watching and finaling this with their iphones behind us. this is just how everything is going here in san diego sector right now. you can see this steady stream of people that have climbed to the top of this mountain and are walking all the way down just to get in to this san diego sector illegally. we've seen single adults and families bringing their little kids. the group you're looking at right now is towards the bottom. this is incredibly dangerous. i have never seen anything like this. normally they take the path of least resistance. there's holes on the wall on ground legal. but for whatever reason, this group of -- i can't tell how many it is. maybe over 100 in total have climbed to the top of this huge

rocky mountain and are scaling the side of this mountain now walking down to this border patrol processing area. we'll keep the drone on that shot. thomas, are we able to go over the shoulder real quick? we have this camp of migrants from around the world, africans, chinese, men from turkey that are watching these migrants come down. some are on their phones, some are making phone calls, some are recording. it's a bizarre scene. there's two single border patrol agents here waiting to process this group. we have not seen a lot of border patrol out here all day long. martha, you said it off the top. texas is locked down. a lot of this illegal traffic is moving to the west to blue states like california, like arizona. here in california, there's no resistance. there's no razor wire, there's no national guard, there's no shipping containers. it's a sanctuary state. arizona, no resistance as well. this is a bizarre scene as we

continue to watch these migrants from really all around the world scaling this mountain. we're going to talk to them as they continue to move down the cliff here. but the three we did talk to that made it down so far were from kazakhstan. looking at the people sitting on the ground over there. looks like there's a couple of chinese in that group already. this sector continues to be inundated with chinese migrants, with migrants from around the world. i'm looking up at the rocky cliff again. there's still people coming down from the very top. so this is my first time down here in san diego sector with this rugged mountainy terrain. it's a bizarre sight to see, martha. >> martha: sure is, bill. it has to take -- when you look at a mountain like that and you think about hiking it or climbing it, it takes hours longer than you might anticipate. so give us a sense of how long it is taking -- i have no idea what is on the other side of

this mountain, what the terrain is as they go up. if you can pull this in. you have chinese migrants, chinese people that just crossed over. did they come this way? they're turning around and taking videos of the other people entering the country illegally? >> that's right. i'm watching a group of them to my left right now. they're videoing them on their iphones, making phone calls. they're all looking up at the mountain like we are. they're shocked at what we're seeing. what the on the other side, is mexico. the border wall is like a mile behind me. it's lower on the ground. there's no border wall way up there on that cliff. at some point the migrants coming down the mountain, they climbed that mountain on the mexican side. now they're over the top, they're officially in the united states. they're snaking their way down the mountain here too this border patrol processing area. so all of these people you'll see streaming in behind us there

technically in the united states now. we just can't really tell how many it is. there's still people coming down from the top of the mountain. still more coming from -- coming over from the mexican side right now. again, we've been watching for the last 15, 20 minutes or so as this is the did stream of people comes wandering down this huge rocky cliff. i don't have to express how dangerous it is. it's very steep. we're starting to get more on the ground right now. in a little bit, we'll talk to some of them. this sector, look at that. there's one person -- is that someone carrying a newborn infant, thomas? with the jeans on. looks like an elderly woman. so looks like an elderly woman climbed that entire mountain with a baby in a blanket in her arms. somehow made it down. that is just remarkable to see. i'll step out real quick. you can see there's two border patrol agents on hand here to take all of these migrants in to

custody. agents seem to be completely outmanned out here. they're motioning for people to come sit down where they are. they were yelling at some of the people on the mountain earlier. hard to make out what they're saying. i'm looking at the top of the mountain again. there's still more people coming. seems to be a never-ending line right now. it is a remarkable sight to see. it's hard to tell where some of these folks are from unless i were to get close and chat with them. >> martha: there's a woman with a baby. >> welcome to the san diego tech or the. something new every week. >> martha: have to wonder what the folks in san diego will feel about this when these numbers escalate. as we said, it's more difficult, governor abbott has really clamped down on his border. so what happens to these people now? they're coming from china? kazakhstan? they're obviously taking airplanes to central america and then they're working their way across to mexico city or

wherever they're coming in to, right? >> yeah, so that's a question that we often get. how are people from china getting her to the southern border. typically flying in to a south american country that has loser visa rules or regulations. then they country hop until they get to guatemala and then southern mexico, they get issued humanitarian visas by the mexican government. that allows them to travel within mexico at free will. they get on trains and buses and head to the northern border. sometimes what we have heard is the chinese will fly in to be a -- baja, california. the cartels have decided to start pushing massive amounts of chinese across the border here in this area, this is a random remote area, about an hour east of san diego. we're standing right off of a major interstate here, this is interstate 8 to our left here.

everybody driving by to our left, if they look up, all the locals, that's what they'll see. it is very bizarre scene. >> martha: indeed. you know, what is your sense of how these california border officials feel about the fact that the action is shifting even more dramatically in to their sector? >> they're not surprised whatsoever. >> every border patrol agent said we talk to, if you take a strict posture, you'll get results. texas has locked down in eagle pass. eagle pass was the most busy part of the border. in december, they got between 3,000 and 4,000 illegals in a day. now they're lucky if they get 40. now they're kicking the federal government out, picking the national guard there. it's created an unwelcoming posture to migrants.

they're going now to blue state governors that are not taking a stance to stop the illegal immigration. california is offering all sorts of benefits to illegals. they were the only state in the country to start offering tax-payer funded healthcare to illegals. it not a surprise that they would flock this way. >> martha: it's extraordinary. looks like a beautiful day there there california where they're getting a lot of new neighbors that are coming across that mountain. difficult terrain to be sure. bill, thank you very much. if you get a chance to talk to anybody, let us know. we'll come back down there. thanks very much. >> will do. >> martha: so pete hegseth is also going to be here with his reaction to what we're watching on the southern border. meanwhile, this is the scene in moscow. if you dare to protest the death of alexi navalny. they are railing against this person who promised to run for

office, to run against putin, to bring people what he described as a more beautiful country of russia. now his wife, who is a fierce defender of her husband and what he fought for says she will avenge his death. what this means for politics -- there she is in the courtroom when he was being held prisoner. what it means for russia, what it means for the united states, ukraine. watch this. >> we know exactly why putin killed alexi three days ago. we'll tell you about it soon. we will find out who exactly and how exactly committed this crime. we will tell you their names and show you their faces. the most important thing we can do is to keep fighting. >> martha: keep fighting as alexi said throughout the course of his courageous fight where he was in and out of prisons and ended up near the arctic circle where he died.

let's bring in benjamin hall with the latest. hi, ben. >> yeah, hi, martha. despite all the arrests we're seeing in russia, people continue going out, continue laying flowers. because such as the memory of alexi navalny to die. he stood up for democracy in russia. he said maybe that country could veer toward change. many people fear with his death, the chances of that are diminishing as well. inside russia, you're seeing the arrests also continue. the flowers have being removed. anyone who lays flowers, anyone that leaves a message is being arrested. putin is so afraid of any opposition rising up. we're a month away from the elections in russia. it's a clear message from putin that no opponent will stop him or stand in his way. we haven't seen navalny's body either. it's missing. his mother tried to get in the morgue to see his body. she was pushed away with her team.

she's there in the black coat. now the russian government is saying it will be 14 days since it's released. many people he was killed using a poison, the same used in 2021. it will take less than 14 days for that to leave his system. many people thinking that's why the russians are holding on to his body. as you said earlier, navalny's wife has said she will continue. >> by killing alexi, putin killed half of me. half of my heart and half of my soul. i still have the other half. it tells me that i have no right to give up. >> inside the u.s., bipartisan calls to make russia a state sponsor of terror. president biden suggested more sanctions earlier today. the argument about funding the war in ukraine, they still continue. president trump has said

navalny's death reminds him of the decline in america. navalny was the one hope for russia. now with his death, the fear is that that is not going to happen. vladimir putin is fully set on staying in power well in to the 2030s. martha? >> i want to call for one more piece of sound here. the reason that she believes they know what killed him, they know what was attempted against him the last time and they waited for the drug to wear off. there was a concerted effort to find the individuals that poisoned him the first time. he managed to trick one of these people. he got him on the phone and he tricked him in to thinking that he was doing a report for the government, needed the details of the attempt to kill navalny. he actually got him to admit to some of what they did. just listen to this sound bite. we'll get a quick thought on the other side.

go ahead. >> what went wrong and what should be done next time to succeed? i've been wondering the same thing myself. we did it just as planned, the way we rehearsed it. >> it seems the doses were underestimated. >> our calculations were good. we even applied extra. >> what happened to his belongings? >> the last time they were there. >> which article of clothing did you focus on? >> the underpants. >> and on the pants? >> there was a possibility of residue there, so we cleaned them as well so there would be no traces left. >> martha: and they cleaned his body in the hospital so there's no traces left. his wife believes that that process is happening once again, although this time the dose was right apparently. if that proves to be. >> yeah, an amazing investigation that they did. they tracked some of the gru agents through russia and

pinpoint who carried out that attack. his wife says they have evidence to prove the same thing happened again. the reason i went wrong before, the flight was interrupted. had that flight length been longer, then they knew navalny would have died. they made certain this time his body is not being released, probably won't be any traces in it because the drug leaves the body quickly. it's a clear sign from putin if he killed him in the same way as he attempted to last way that nothing will stop him. he likes to send these messages to his opponents. his opponents are killed in gruesome ways. prigozhin's plane was shot out of the sky. not only will you killed by going against putin but it will be painful and sometimes slow. >> his wife has vowed to carry on his work. she puts herself in a tough position as well. she's very committed. ben, thank you very much.

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transactions. they banned him from running companies in new york for three years. the former president continues to insist that he did nothing wrong. watch. >> the decision yesterday in new york, you may have read about it, crooked judge, crooked judge. he's a crooked judge. by a radical left wing judge, an atrocity. it's a sham case there were no victims, no defaults, no damages, no complaints, no nothing. there was nothing. >> martha: so now some of the properties that he's accused of overvaluing on financial statements could help him come up with the cash to pay the penalty if it comes to that. trump attorney alina habba is with us in just moments. charles payne is here with us. good to have you. i want start with this quick sound bite from kevin o'leary. he's singing a tune that others

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the crime. the regulations. it's just so tough to do business here. the writing is on the wall. listen, i'm not a lawyer, but i just got to -- a couple things, martha. if i'm thinking about investing in new york a lot of money in to commercial real estate and i look at what the judge said, he said they didn't rob a bank at gun point. donald trump is not bernie madoff. the defendants are incapable of admitting the error of their ways? >> martha: what does that mean? >> that means i have to give you $150 million because i didn't bow down to you? >> martha: it's punitive stuff. it's these -- there's not a single victim. there doesn't have to be under this statute. >> a law professor says the attorney general's job is to protect people that can't protect themselves. he added we're dealing with sophisticated lenders that are fully capable of protecting themselves. they have not asked for help. deutsche bank made money with

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nobody is above the law. i would just like these left-winging das and ags to show us that. show us that. i'm inviting you to show me that nobody is above the law while we have hunter biden, joe biden and all of his friends up in d.c., the deep state that have not been touched. show me no one is above the law, martha? i'm not seeing that. you know what i'm seeing in court in these cases? is that everyone is above the law if they're friends with miss james and d.a. brag and fani willis and jack smith. the only person that is not, the only person that did nothing wrong that will still get persecuted and prosecuted is donald trump because they can't beat him in november. i want to invite them to show me how no one is actually above the law? there's people that we know have broken laws. and we have not seen the system of justice being used the same for them as they are for president trump.

president trump did nothing wrong. show me the people that did real crime did persecuted and prosecuted. >> martha: some of those people are back on the street in five hours and new yorkers would like to see those people that are not rich or powerful but who have power in this city in terms of how safe people feel or don't feel. let me ask you this. in terms of the 30-day deadline from judge engoron to pay this extraordinary fine that jonathan turley calls obscene. is that the case? does he really have 30 days to pay this fine? if so, there's some reports that he will sell off almost all the not all of his new york assets? what can you tell us about that? >> no, i would never get in to anything privileged. i can tell you what the rules are. within 30 days, even if we choose to appeal this, we have to post the bond, which is the full amount and then some. we will be prepared to do that. >> how much is the bond?

>> well, so it's -- you have to break it up. there were different defendants that got fined. there was the company that got fined. you're looking at roughly let's call it close to $400 million for something that he did nothing wrong. it's no coincidence. they know by looking at statements of financial condition that this guy is worth a lot of money. billions and billions of dollars. that didn't even include his brand. what they're trying to do between this case and my last case is put him out of business. it's not going to work, number 1. number 2, they're doing a scare tactic. unfortunately they picked the right guy to pick on in my opinion. he's strong, he's resilient and he happens to have a lot of cash that doesn't mean that it's right. it doesn't mean it's okay. it's grotesquely insane. i was speaking to somebody tied that mentioned that there are countries that literally make that in a given years in certain industries. countries in this world.

but they would find somebody what they call understating their statement of financial condition and making deutsche bank in zurich, who they still work with, money. they're going to find him that kind of thing. it's insane. there will be no mayhem for the trump organization. i know that was miss james goal and judge engoron. but that won't be the case. >> martha: well, as i said, jonathan turley called it obscene. other people have said that it's a dangerous verdict in the precedent that it sets and what kind of damage it could do to new york city when other companies will want nothing to do with that kind of politics and judgment. thanks, alina. very good to see you. >> thank you. >> martha: alina habba joining us this afternoon. we want to go back to the border. because these are extraordinary seens that we're getting from california. our cameras have just captured dozens of migrants funneling down the side of a steep

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♪ and i, ♪ ♪ i wish i was here ♪ >> martha: back to the border now in california. we have been catching this incredible scene as migrants pour over the mountain behind bill melugin to get in to this country. he joins us now from california. hi, bill. >> hi, martha. most of those my grants have made it down the mountain now and sitting behind us waiting to be processed by border patrol. they have come in from all over the world. let's see if we can talk to some live. where are you from? columbia. where are you from? >> kazakhstan. >> brazil?

brazil, brazil. brazil. where are you guys from? >> ecuador. >> ecuador right here. where are you guys from? >> brazil, brazil. where are you >> china. >> china? two chinese here. where are you from? >> where do you want to go in the u.s.? >> no english. no problem. where are you from? >> brazil. >> lots of brazilians. where are you from? brazil, brazil. a lot of brazilians here. some from kazakhstan, some from china. real quick, i want to go to the columbians. they speak spanish. that's a way i know i can communicate. i want to know why they came over this mountain. it was by far the past of most resistance. [speaking spanish] i asked him where he wants to go. he wants to go to san jose.

i'll ask him why he came across the mountain. [speaking spanish] he wants to see -- [speaking spanish] it's very hard in the mountain. [speaking spanish] basically she's saying they have been walking a long time. they told us earlier they were confused where they were walking. so border patrol agents said they were surprised to see the folks coming down the mountain as well. there's more coming if we can pan off to the right, to the left of the border patrol vehicle. so border patrol is responding here to the left of the truck. you can see more people coming down the mountain. there's some snaking down the mountain, believe it or not. looks like five or six still coming down the hill. and then while all this is going on, we still have a camp of migrants behind us predominantly

looks to be chinese men who have been watching these other migrants come down. you can see the other migrants that have been waiting for border patrol to take them in custody. you can see behind them, cars passing. that's because they is interstate 8 out here in san diego county, a main thoroughfare. anybody driving on the road right now, if they take a look to the right, that's what they'll see. migrants here on the ground after crossing illegally and more coming down the mountain. you get a flavor there. they're coming in from all of the world. some from brazil, some from china. there's a language barrier. i speak some conversational spanish. for the most part, i'm only able to communicate with the folks that speaks spanish and those that speak broken english. when there's mandarin or other middle eastern countries, there's a language issue that border patrol has an issue with as well. >> martha: and i know you asked this question before. they're saying that they buy plane tickets and fly in. the issue of seeking asylum, you

know, seems difficult to prove if you are flying from one country, flying from kazakhstan to south american, central america, mexico and crossing the border. it's hard to understand why this is a viable path and why people are not turned back. unless they passed the resent legislation that helped them do that. >> most will admit on camera, they're not planning to seek asylum. they say here here for two reasons. they want a job or they want to link up with family already here in the united states. very few times do we hear that they want to claim asylum. border patrol is getting ready to move these folks to process them. again, only two single agents on scene here right now. a lot of them to deal with. looks like they're sending them to the camp where the other chinese money -- they're saying pick up your trash. there's an ngo out here as

assisting these migrants. border patrol is now moving these migrants over in to the main camp where some of the others have been saying. sometimes they have to comp out here at night and it gets very cold. >> martha: bill, thank you. let's bring in pete hegseth and mark pen, ceo of stabwell. mark, let's start with you. what do you think president biden thinks when he sees these images, just people pouring in. as bill told us, they're not even making an asylum argument at all. they're just walking in and going to stay. >> well, i don't know what he thinks, but it's pretty clear that the american public thinks that it's wrong. something has to be done with it. it's the number 1 issue in the country. i haven't seen the number 1 issue not be the economy since

maybe the 1980s when it was crime. the public sees this as serious. it's seen across the board. i think people want action. i think it's a critical election issue now. >> martha: you think the president, mark, staying with you, will ever do a sit-down interview where he might get asked some real questions about how he feels about this? >> well, again, i'm not going to -- >> martha: that's funny? >> i'm not going to talk to the president. i don't know how you'll run a presidential campaign without getting those questions and without answering them. that's what this is about.he has to answer it. he knows it. he's changed his position recently on the border to say that he wants movement on the border. they have pretty well-turned it on the republicans in congress that seem pretty flat-footed. >> martha: pete, what do you think? welcome. >> they haven't turned anything on congress, mark. that's a nice d.c. beltway talking point. they live in a world where they

think they can flip it. you may know what joe thinks. joe doesn't know what joe thinks. because they can make it cute on a bill makes it look like they're securing the boreder? bill melugin sat there -- eagle pass used to be 3,000 to 4,000 a day. policies have consequences. texas said no more. now it's 30 to 40 a day because they said we're going to create a deterrent. if you want to stem the flow, you can. nothing about this administration from day one has been about turning people back, this is the scarry part, this will be pinned on the chest of joe biden. all of these military aged men from china? china? china doesn't know they're leave something the biggest a a -- state in the world? kazakhstan, brazil? this is something the administration could do

something about and they want to play cute games in washington d.c. about oh, it's the republicans. when everybody knows, with h.r.-2 and donald trump and everything else, they have been and prepared to secure the border. biden doesn't want to. our country is paying. >> martha: why don't they just pass hr-2 and bring it over to the senate? one of the things that is difficult to understand here is why republicans wouldn't do whatever it takes given the security, the national security threat that you're talking about? >> they're not going to do it, martha. democrats in the senate won't pass that because they're still have trump dearrangement syndrome. they can't do the policies he did because we said we were against that. we would tear the wall down. it's inhumane what's going on. they can't go for hr-2. >> martha: so everyone has to wait for another ten months and risk national security threats coming across the southern

border. who will be blamed for that come election time, mark? >> well, look, there's going to be a state of the union soon. there could be some new executive orders coming out. i think the president is going to blame congress for being dead locks, the republicans being divided, the house not going along with the senate. at the end of the day, where i think everybody agrees there has to be action, the current situation can't be sustained. i think you'll see the president move one way or the other. i don't believe this issue will sit there the way it is. >> you may be right. this is the number one thing that comes up with everyone i talk to. what does joe biden think about this? why is he never asked in a way that he has to answer? i don't think he can get away with tenth months of covid-style campaigning on this issue. people want to know. maybe we'll hear something in the state of the union. bret and i will cover that the first week in march. there's a lot of people that are democrats that are noticing

this. there are prominent media personalities that are pushing on this as well. let's play this from charlamagne tha god about the current president. watch. >> this is an uninspiring candidate. there's nothing about joe biden that makes you want to listen to him. he has no main character energy at all. none. i don't think it has nothing to do with age. i think it has everything to do with him. donald trump is what? four years, three years younger than president biden? he comes off a lot more youthful. he comes off like he has a lot more energy. >> pete, does this -- does any of this signal there's a shift that is being pressured on the biden ticket? >> maybe. that's just honest. that's looking with two eyes and assessing the reality that it's the most famous man on earth being impugned by everybody. he has been enacting policies that people don't like from

international chaos to inflation and crime and the border. so mark talks about a reset at the state of the union. we have an 80-year-old guy on policies reset for things 3 1/2 years in. and 3 1/2 days after this reset, hur will testify on capitol hill. you can't run from this. you have to take it on or make a switch. i don't think they will. >> martha: thanks, mark, pete. now for something different, folks. big battle going on in new york. did you know that americans eat 288 slices per person per year? that's a lot. that's a lot, right? pizza is personal. wait till you see the show down between detroit and new york city? who better to do that that kat timpf and jessica tarlov.

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thin and light and delicious. so one restaurant owner telling the "new york post" that the detroit-style pizza is marketable, it's a pretty pizza. no wants to bite down on a big pile of dough? to help setting this, kat timpf and jessica tarlov. do this look like a detroit pizza? >> yeah, in detroit, everybody eats pizza with ranch. >> martha: ranch dressing? put some on. >> who wants the answer to who wants to bite in to dough? i do. it's delicious. it's messy to eat. this looks like mozzarella. i had jets detroit pizza. you get the sides of ranch. my sister was over. we ate the ranch. she was like you're so

midwestern. yes. did you just figure that out? >> martha: we talked about this. 288 slices per person number. we're throwing serious question marks up about. i'm not sure how that is possible. the average -- how many slices of pizza do you think you eat in an average week? >> probably two or three. in an average week. i don't know where they get that number from. >> i have a toddler. it's macaroni cheese, chicken fingers and pizza. a lot of pizza is around. my problem with the detroit pizza, delicious. but you can't eat as much of it. with a new york slice, you feel like you can take two bites of this and two bites of that piece. these are heavy. >> martha: totally. you can eat -- i can eat two slices of regular new york pizza easily, right? maybe 2 1/2. like if i'm hungry. this is very thick and this is going to be like 1 1/2 pieces.

>> and they're small. >> all i want to eat is bread. so i feel like this is a way that makes you feel like you're eating something else other than as you can see you're not. >> martha: you like this better than new york pizza? >> i feel -- this feels like an occasion. square, which is a huge deal here. they started in brooklyn. now they're all over manhattan as well. they do delicious pizzas. a hot honey one that i love. feels lake you need a salad and have great waffle fries and turns into less about the pizza and more about the holistic meal. >> martha: the other thing that shocked me, the average pizza is $33 in new york. you could get it for $17. >> sandra: under 20. >> martha: these two new york brothers, jo jo and nicky are calling out inflation. and they're talking about the exorbitant price of rolatini. watch in. >> feels like things are getting more and more expensive as the

weeks and months go on, right? >> it's unreal. it's unreal. we've been a product of our environment. uncle tony and dad has been complaining about pastrami going up to $10.99 a pound. >> that should be a crime. >> martha: first of all, jessica, explain -- you know what rolatini is. >> no. >> martha: okay. >> i don't know what it is. i'm polish. >> martha: i'm not italian. this will come as a big shock. it's like eggplant. you bread it and roll it up with mozzarella. you put like cheese and tomato sauce on top of it. probably cost about 45 cents to make. >> it's out of control. i went to go coffee and sandwiches with my husband. over $60.

i looked at the receipt and saw it was the wrong receipt. it wasn't. it was a random coffee shop. not starbucks. i live here because i have to. i don't know how -- >> martha: i went to a coffee shop. i got a cup. i looked in the case. the doughnuts this big, it said $5. $5 for a doughnut. we have to go. we'll eat some pizza. we like detroit is what i'm talking. >> we love it. >> martha: i'm not giving up new york. it's a side bar. >> it's a on occasion at the airport. >> martha: thanks, guys. great to see you. that's "the story" for this monday. we look forward to seeing you back here tomorrow at 3:00. have a nice evening. "your world" starts right now. >> neil: it's nothing new but it is getting old, my friends. the same