right there smack dab in the middle is a thousand foot shipping container ship which at 1:30 this morning ran into one of the support columns to your pointed, lawrence, the two pilots who work in that harbor, they are on that ship. according to the company that manages the ship. the ship is fine. but it's the people who are on that bridge who, you know, right now it's a search and rescue. but it's looking grim given the fact that they have been in the water for five hours. it will be interesting because those two pilots will be able to tell investigators and maybe that's what we're going to hear in the next minute or so when they kick this thing off in maryland. they will be able to tell exactly what happened before they hit that support column. >> lawrence: 52 million tons of cargo crosses that every single year and $80 billion worth of cargo last year at that port of

baltimore. >> steve: indeed. it is 7:00 in baltimore and we start this hour once again with a fox news alert. stunning pictures for anybody just joining us, first responders are looking for at least seven people in the water after that cargo ship crashed into the francis scott key bridge in maryland earlier in morning it's been there since 1977. that's the moment of impact right there screen left. >> brian: baltimore city officials say two people are out of the water with one at the hospital. one refused to get care. turned it down. >> kayleigh: we expect to hear from state officials any moment after baltimore city officials provided an update earlier. >> lawrence: griff jenkins joins us live from the scene. he got there very early limit griff, what are you learning? >> griff: well, the sun starting to come up, lawrence, we are learning as steve was recounting there sat least seven people now that they are looking for as this mass casualty event as it's being described is playing out with the rescue folks. but we're about a thousand feet just north of where that

collapse happened. so, let me just go ahead and let you see what i see. you can see on the north side where the francis scott key bridge would have been now just mangled infrastructure and you can see the parts of the collapsed bridge that remains. and at that press conference, as we awaited for the one here from the state maryland transportation authority, we did hear from the baltimore officials earlier including baltimore's mayor brandon scott who had this to say, listen mere. >> what you think that you would see physically see the key bridge tumble down like that? it looked like something out of an action movie. and you just think about, most importantly, which is what we all should be thinking about right now nothing but those families and people that are impacted and those people who are risking their lives right now from not just baltimore city and baltimore county but all over the state to try to save lives. that should be our focus.

the preservation of life. >> griff: obviously now with the sun coming up, it will be easier to conduct these rescue efforts, although the conditions the elements we talked about the last hour, it is still very cold in the 30's here in the air. high 40's in the water and there is going to be navigating obviously a tremendous amount of debris in the water. now, one of the things that we want to learn from the maryland press conference that's about to happen here where we are standing is really more information on how that ship could have hit that major part of the bridge to bring that entire span down. a significant statement there from the white house here in the last hour saying there was, quote, no information of nefarious activity. baltimore also saying they don't believe it was intentional. which, if it was an accident, how does this nearly a thousand

foot long singapore flagged ship hit the major post structure of the bridge? because this is one of the most populated shipping lanes to one of the nation's largest harbors, ports, and so they have got shipping containers coming in here all day every day, 365 days a year. it's a very unlikely if not unprecedented event to have a ship hit a part of the bridge where it did because the significant damage. but, at least some good news also out of that press conference, one person was pulled out that was okay. although another person was pulled out, taken to a trauma center in serious condition. guys? >> steve: griff, as we look at the cargo ship, which is named the dolly, it looks like we can't tell exactly what the cargo is. it looks like just shipping containers. we do know that the baltimore is the largest port in the united states for specialized cargo like trucks, tractors, and trailers. and gateway for bulk cargo like

petroleum products and also coal. do we have any idea what's on that ship, which was, until 1:30 this morning, heading for she lanka? sri lanka. we don't know what the cargo was on that ship. we should be able to learn that your point is a good one. there is billions of dollars of commerce that comes. in almost everything we buy and use in our lives from grocery store to clothing store and elms where along with major commercial things like tractors and such. there is an amazon shipping center just north of where we are standing and of course baltimore's harbor if you have ever been there driving north to new york you get a shot of how vast it is and how large the majority of the country's shipping containers passing

through here and they have obviously now had to halt that as well. you got the road traffic. remember the northeast corridor is a busy one for 18 wheelers. moving products and, tout sea. while right now at this hour we are focusing on this rescue life-saving effort, it going to be days weeks and months and we are going to learn more about the impact of how this possibly has affected the commerce and the economic impact it's having. >> brian: griff, it's kind of interesting. i don't know where you can see now but the ship does not go through the pillar. it just hits the pillar. so it didn't go through the other side. it's kind astounding to see that kind of ripple effect from a ship that bumps the pillar. >> griff: well, that's right. and, brian, let me just give you one more look. again, as you look here. so we're just on the north side. and what that one sort of beam sticking up. you would be seeing now several

feet up in the sky above that. you would see the bridge, right, the arcing bridge come down off of that bridge. all can you see now is the mangled part of where it was. and obviously that main post holding this north side of the bridge was what was hit. and that's why it's such significant damage. >> kayleigh: if you are looking at your screen on the left side that is the first time we are seeing a time lapsed slow motion video of the ship. >> steve: we sped it up. >> kayleigh: you see it hit and then see the bridge fall. but, griff, my question is one eyewitness said it sounded like an earthquake. another said it sounded like an explosion. have you heard on the ground from anyone exactly what it sounded like or looked like in that moment? wow, extraordinary. >> steve: we sped it up. >> griff: we talked to one of just where we are standing in the parking lot of the maryland department of transportation on the north side of the bridge, and one worker was just getting off work when we were arriving. he said he was here when it

happened. and all of the sudden he didn't recall hearing the impact but heard the response and everybody running towards the bridge to go down to the bridge to see what happened. he said it startled him. he has never seen anything like this in his life. >> steve: griff, as a -- we talked about this an hour ago and i just got a note from our family doctor. you know, as this is a search and rescue operation. and by the way, just look at all the cars that are going across the bridge in that time laps. >> lawrence: by the grace of god. >> steve: given the fact that you are a surfer and always looking at the water temperature. the water temperature at the time of the collision was 49 degrees. and the expected time of survival in water of that temperature is one to three hours. we are now about five and a half hours in. so, it really becomes a matter

of life and death. >> well, that's right. and, you know, hypothermia, steve, begins to set. in they say roughly 30 to 60 minutes in being in water temperatures below 50 degrees. i will craw on my personal experience as a surfer. i go right out here to the maryland and delaware shores and surf the bigger as well as come in the winter. i wear a wet suit. and let me tell you, there comes a point very quickly when you can't compete with the elements. and you have got to get out and you begin to get tired and everything gets labored and difficult. imagine having plunged over 150 feet down in an impact that you would have possibly not survived to begin with and then to be in these conditions in that water. now, the patapsco rivers flows from jess peek bay into the harbor. the deal with not only the cold daughter water, the fall the

possibility of hypothermia and fighting the current and finding the strength to survive conditions like this is a very, very difficult situation to be put in. >> brian: we will let you gather some nor facts, griff. we appreciate it. bring in retired captain frederick john nickel he spent the last four decades container ship. he trained at baltimore maritime institute and knows this bridge very well. welcome, thanks so much for joining us, sir. what is your reaction of what could have happened, this container ship the dolly would smash into this pillar? >> you have a lot of facets here one of them being darkness. the ship leaving baltimore and going to sri lanka it was considered light. so,. >> steve: what does that mean. >> effected by wind normally than coming in heavy. i don't know the conditions of the wind then, but, also was out bound and we just had a moon

tide yesterday. so i am not sure if it was an outgoing encounter or ingoing encounter i don't have it in front of me. so. >> kayleigh: frederick. >> incident like this. the one that was mentioned earlier happened over 40 years ago on the sun bridge in tampa. what happened there believe it or not they is had fog. usually in fog you don't have wind. >> kayleigh: frederick, to that end. you compared it to tampa saint pete incident. we do have the conditions from janice dean. we're told 3 miles per hour was the wind janice described the conditions as perfect that would rule out some of your seven factors here that can cause. this okay, okay. very well. i was familiar with that because

my friend's friend was captain on the -- he was the pilot on that ship in the tampa bay incident. okay, moving on. >> brian: wow, really. >> i'm 70 and he would be 90 now. nighttime is also a major factor. if the ship was just leaving harbor. it might not have been a problem. they didn't just come up from norfolk. they were leaving. so i don't know what the wind conditions were and current. was it an outgoing tide? if it was an outgoing tide it might be a little more current than they assumed. and then, one of the biggest factors is mechanical. ships are sufficiency. i worked on ships that were

949 feet lock a lot of fimsz the rutter is not big enough for the ship ripped out half of the jackson square it had undersized rudder that was over 20 some years ago. okay. that might have been a gang tore. usually you get a small bump, whatever, line broke on a tug. this is more than a small bump. and experienced helmsman, singaporean crew. i worked in singapore several times. was there a language barrier? was it insufficient knowledge of english? what else can i tell you? >> lawrence: real quickly, frederick, if you are anticipating a crash, and i know y'all train for this type of stuff, what is the protocol?

do you call it in? >> you are trying to do as much as you can. like was there an anchor let go? did they let the anchors go? if you are anticipating. if you get 60 seconds, you get a man up on the bough usually the chief officer who is going to drop the anchor. now, was the anchor let go? i don't know. i wasn't there. you know, are both anchors let go. >> that would have slowed down and decreased any kind of destruction, any kind of -- anything that could have gone wrong. but, enough time to do that? i don't know. >> steve: right. >> steve: captain, let me ask you this, there were reportedly two pilots at the helm at the time of the accident. they were -- they are professional baltimore -- port of baltimore pilots. >> yes.

>> steve: they were on the bridge at the time. will you just take us through how that works? where they get on? how they drive through until they get into open water and then how they get off? >> okay. i haven't been in baltimore for a while. one of them might have been a tug pilot. meaning he gave the orders to the tug and the other one was the bay pilot bringing the ship all the way down to norfolk that's where they go out. were they both harbor pilots or was one a harbor pilot meaning he was in charge of the tug or the bay pilot? they are probably both on the bridge. because the trip had just begun. usually after you get out of the last bridge in something like that, one guy goes to sleep. the fact that they were both there or at least one of them was there, i'm not sure how baltimore does things now but when i was there, you would

have. >> brian: do most of these vessels have black boxes? >> everything is on a recorder or it would have never got. in there should be a black box on this. >> frederick, i'm very curious about your friend who piloted that ship in tampa. it was a freighter that crashed into the sky way called some adventure. >> and that was 40 years ago. it's the most recent precedent we could find for something like this. i imagine since then over 40 years, radar technology, fail safe, mechanical update have been made. talk to us about what a modern day ship would have in place say let's say an engine go down? >> in something like this, it's usually the human factor factor. we can navigate and set a course leaving norfolk, virginia and live up at england, but it's usually something -- it's either mechanical or it is human fa

factor. oftentimes see training ship and 12 cadets around the electronic navigation and no one be is looking out the window. >> steve: that makes sense. and we -- frederick, we don't know, captain, whether or not there was a tug boat on there or is that just standard protocol in baltimore? >> again, i haven't been in baltimore by ship for a while. there should have been there should have been a look up with a line or rope you know, we know what a lifeline that is for the city or the area. >> they are rerooting traffic

telling everybody to avoid. >> it must be a nightmare. the beltway must be a nightmare. >> steve: those would be the tunnels. >> lawrence: i want to make sure we heard you clearly. at any point you are saying that boat should have never even attempted to go under the bridge? >> oh, no. it should have been fine. things always go wrong at the last minute that's why they call it accidents and incidents. they always go awrong at the last minute. so were they not -- how many tug does they normally have? i would say two. and if it was -- if they are short one which does happen, shame on them. unless you know those facts that i mentioned, exhaustion, winds, current, mechanical, line, helmsman, language barrier, unless you know all of them, you just staring a thought and not

getting anything out of it. >> steve: captain frederick john nicole who spent four decades on container ships around the globe, thank you very much for sharing your expertise. >> no problem. >> brian: we will check in with you again. >> kayleigh: let's bring in carry could you pack urban. what do you know? >> something like this requires massive law enforcement coordination fbi coast guard and transportation department. lots of moving pars and pieces. i was thinking about if this happened while i was at the department of justice and you said waking up the president it. would have been the same on my end waking up the attorney general. what he would have done a couple things. first call the fbi director and ask what do you know and one of the first questions he would ask is there any suspicion of terrorist activity which we have heard thus far doesn't seem to be the case. two, foul play, what do you think is going on? then he would have called the president to brief him. at that point he the chief and i

would get on a call, put together a statement to assure the public that the attorney general's monitoring the situation and we're working closely with our local law enforcement partners but something like this requires, like i said, massive coordination. >> >> kayleigh: seems like the department of transportation was on it he pretty earlier. pete buttigieg in contact with the mayor. we heard the mayor talk about his correspondents with the federal government saying they were on it? >> and, yeah, as a lawyer i'm thinking about and i know this has been discussed for the last hour or. so i have a lot of questions about these pilots. there is talk about how this was just 20 minutes into the journey, so sleep shouldn't have been an issue. you are wondering about sleep? were there any substances involved? and also just any kind of malfunctioning. you know, you think about the ship owner. you think about the ship managing company. you think about the companies that have provided parts for these ships. these are all things that will come into play rarity on, unfortunately when lawsuits are likely to ensue.

>> brian: kerry, are you thinking this is almost like a crime scene. everything staying put. don't touch anything. evaluate things as they were in order to evaluate what went wrong? >> these things are hard. also an active rescue scene. yes preserve what have you while trying to save as many lives as possible and figure out what exactly is going on but certainly lots of different entities investigating what is happening and this is going to continue for the days and weeks and months to come. >> steve: right. you know, with a massive effort like this, obviously we have heard coast guard is involved nearby. you have got the state police from maryland. you have the city police. you have the county sheriff's office as well. but then again, kerry, and i'm sure you remember the i-35 collapse in minnesota years ago that we actually covered on this program as well. i believe it was the ntsb, ultimately. that took over the investigation to figure out what went wrong. that probably is where it's going to go. in the meantime, kerri, thank

you very much >> kayleigh: maryland department of transportation. let's listen. >> good morning, everyone. thank you for being here today. we're about to give you an update at our first unified joint commands news briefing at the key bridge i-695 in baltimore, maryland. i'm going to introduce to you our maryland secretary of transportation paul paul-wiedefeld. thank you. >> thank you. good morning. at approximately 1:30 a.m. a cargo ship leaving the port of baltimore struck the francis scott key bridge. this caused a catastrophic collapse of the bridge. first responders from the maryland transportation authority authority and our federal state and local partners immediately responded to the scene. at this time, this is an active search and rescue mission. we know -- we know there were

individuals on the bridge at the time of the collapse working on the bridge, contractors for us. >> our partners from the u.s. coast guard will provide some more information momentarily. in terms of traffic, drivers should avoid i-695 southeast corridor and use i 95 and i 895 as al tesh tis. i 695 is being detoured southbound at exit 43 the peninsula expressway and northbound at exit 2 route 10. vessel traffic into and out of the port of baltimore is suspended until further notice. but the port is still open for truck transactions. obviously we're very thankful for the first responders who are carrying out their efforts in these rescues we are praying for everyone's safe return. we will continue pro we vide updates do you the next one being 9:30. with that i will turn over to u.s. coast guard.

>> good morning. my name is lt. commanders erin palmer from coast guard section capital region. i'm the current acting chief of response for the sector. the coast guard's primary mission right now is search and rescue, looking for any survivors in the water. on scene we currently have three small boats. we also have coast guard cutter mako 87-foot control boat. helicopter from and working with numerous federal state and local partners on scene on the search and rescue efforts. thank you. >> we will entertain any questions at this time. >> what role is the fbi playing in the investigation at this time. >> fbi has basically to see if there is any terrorism connection, which there is not. >> have you confirmed deaths? >> no confirmed fatalities. >> any recovered from the water alive? >> that's still the rescue mission is still active. >> do you have any sense of what happened to the actual cargo ship in there was some reports

that it suffered some major power outages just before it crashed. >> too early in the investigation. >> pilot operating the ship coming in and out of the port. was it a port authorized by lot or the captain of the ship. >> pilots move ships in. >> what was that? >> pilots move ships in and out of baltimore. >> what is happening to all the other ships waiting backup at this point. how are you navigating that. >> basically we are communicating with them. they obviously understand the situation. and we will dewith the logistics of that later. >> hats crew been evacuated from the ship? has the coast guard made contact with the pilot of the ship. >> that's all being done right now. i don't know the exact details of where they are all are obviously we are contacting them. >> is this being investigated as suspicious? >> any type of incident like this the fbi would be engaged just to make sure and that's what they did. [shouting questions] >> how many vehicles are in the water? >> can you -- any idea how could this happen? this bridge. >> too early?

>> not have collapsed like this. >> too early in the investigation. >> how long. >> do you know how deep the water is there and in sort of this area where the happened the conditions. >> approximately 50 feet. 50 feet. >> how many people are you looking for right now? >> do you know how many were rescued? how many were pulled from the water? how many you are still searching for? >> that is still -- that is what we are doing. we are basically certaining for everyone that was potentially on the bridge. as you can imagine, middle of the night. what type of traffic was there. how many workers were there. workers, you know, they obviously come to a project but other workers show up sometimes. that's what we are investigating right now. >> is this unprecedented? has anything like this ever happened? >> not in baltimore. >> sir, can you talk more about the workers on the bridge, what was going on and how many vehicles you think might actually be in the water? >> they were basically doing some concrete deck repair. we don't have the number of the vehicles. >> do we know who they work for? >> i don't have that right off

hand. >> how long are the -- >> -- too early to determine. >> are you looking for seven people. >> non-of people. that's the one number that we have had. obviously we are researching to see if anyone else was on that bridge. >> can you think of some of the challenges the water, the current, the darkness as you are searching for individuals? >> all of the above very little information at that time. it happened instantaneously. >> what can you tell family members that might be watching about any hope that they will still recover survivors? >> we actually have set up a facility for any family members. we have mental health professionals there as well. so we are dealing with that. >> and are you ruling out any kind of intentional motive? >> we don't see anything that relates to that at this time. it's an open investigation but

there's nothing that points to that in any direction. >> first calls after the intercom in directly from the ship? when the ship gets there who is the first one to make the 911 call? >> i don't know. i don't have that information. >> do you have any indication whether the ship lost power? >> it's too early. >> just for clarification. >> i'm sorry. >> port is closed except for trucks moving transport out. >> right. correct. we'll be back shortly about 9:30. i'm sorry? >> five years to construct. any idea what we can expect moving forward? >> too early. obviously we reached out to a number of engineering companies and so obviously we have a long road in front of us to get to that point. okay? thank you so much. >> thank you. steve okay. we just got an update from the officials from -- i just can't get over that image right there. just got update from the maryland transportation

department giving an update on if you are just waking up at 7:30 here in the east. until 1:30 last night. that is the -- that was the francis scott key bridge with the road deck rising 180 feet above the river right there. but a container ship as you can see right there, about 1,000 feet long smacked into the support column dead square and the whole thing fell down like a deck of cards. >> lawrence: we learned a little bit kayleigh from this press conference. it looks like they have already set up that family reunification site. that's what we were asking for earlier in the program. it looks like we got about 4 coast guard boats out there that are helping assist in the search and rescue. that doesn't include what the state and the city is providing on scene. they are saying that there is no foul play expected right now. no acts of terrorism as well, kayleigh. and they say the state is leading this investigation. >> kayleigh: that's right, and, lawrence, two other new pieces

of information we'll learned. we heard from local officials earlier. we were told at least seven are missing. it's a dynamic count okay go as high as 20 we heard earlier in the morning. what we learned out of this press conference is number one there were, in fact, state contractors on the bridge. they were working for the state on concrete duct repair. kind of a worst nightmare case scenario that those workers were there. second we were wondering about the crew. we thought they were still on the ship. he said to quote him directly that's being done right now. crew evacuation. two new pieces of information. both he and the coast guard underscoring this is still an active search and rescue mission. so we are not past the point of survivability. that's when the divers would tell us we will call this off. we are still search and rescue. >> brian: reconfirmed the pilots were in charge not the captain. comes into port the pilot take over. >> they have the most experience they know the lay of the land. bring in drained navy diver jake zweig. thanks for joining us again.

we understand the coast guard has three small boats and one coast guard cutter there doing the search and rescue. what do you think about the type of resources that they put in play? >> i mean, they put everybody they got in the area in the water. they have probably got -- i mean, they have got as many resources as they need on station. the big question is whether or not anybody is able to survive for five hours under water in a car. i think the chances. >> brian: we have one being hospitalized. the other one turned down care, does that give you hope? >> i'm going to be honest with you there is not a lot of hope in my mind at this point. it's a recovery operation. >> lawrence: you know, jake, with these uavs that they put into the water. they pretty much know what they're working with right now, right, these drones? >> i think there is probably a lot of ambiguity around the situation. i said it before. there's a lot of dangerous conditions right now. you have a bridge that's collapsed into the water. you have containers in the

water. you have shifts tide current coming in at peak flow. so there is a lot of factors involved right now. uavs are helpful. but that still requires the person to be alive under the water in the car. i just think it's unlikely at this point that we're going to be pulling live people out of the water. >> steve: right. we have heard that according to the experts, apparently sonar detected vehicles, would the sonar, jake, also be able to hear somebody if they were backbackbanging on the car, thew or something like that? i would say in this situation there is probably a lot of the am beengt noise in the area. ship still running. >> very hard for them to hear someone banging on a car under water with the sonar. the sonar is looking more so for objects. i don't have enough information

to be able to give you a good job on that one. >> kayleigh: we heard from the maryland department of transportation just now. he was asked twice was there a power outage on the ship to which he responded it is too early in the investigation. he simultaneously ruled out this was any sort of foul play. what we are left with thinking whether or not 10-mile. you said to us this morning you did not see a tug boat here. a tug boat would guide the ship through there since we have spoke, we have spoken to two others. clyde boat right and frederick john nicole which was a captain. both echoed here. there should have been a tug boat here. you need tug boats to narrow through this terrain. now looking at this footage in the daylight do you see a tug boat. >> i don't see a tug boat there. didn't appear to be a tug boat earlier on either. the tug boats normally cut away at this point. it's a cost factor. it costs money to have a tug boat go all the way out through

the bridge. and these don't happen very often. i think the biggest key point in failure is going to be the maintenance logs on the ship. apparently it lost power before, you know, the carrier outside of singapore is going to be responsible for everything, so they're going to do a massive ntb investigation. and they will figure out what was at the cause of the problem. >> lawrence: jake, to that point of the investigation, do you anticipate state or federal officials have already made their way onto the boat to kind of freeze this crime scene? >> i mean it happened at 1:30 in the morning. my guess is all those guys are getting up getting a call telling them to head that way and they will be boarding that ship here shortly. >> steve: jake, as a navy diver your sufficiently, at what point do they put people in the water? it's a dynamic situation. there are calls under there. there is at least one tractor-trailer. and there is a bridge down

there, too. you have got to worry not only about rescuing the people. but the safety of any divers who are going to go in the water. >> i mean, the coast guard is there, right? you have to go out but you don't have to come back. so, the swift water rescue teams. i saw some swift water rescue boats there. those g guy were in the water as soon as they could get in the water. they weren't worried about their safety or the safety of what they were doing. they were in there trying to help people survive this catastrophic event in baltimore. i know we got the best people in the world down there. they got in the water. they are doing their job. you know. >> brian: you might not be the best person to ask for this so feel free to say i don't know. but there are some reports that black smoke came out. and that usually means that they tried to reverse the engines at the last minute. if that is, in fact, the case, does that sound right? >> i did see the black smoke. that very well could have been the case that they slammed it

into full reverse. but i'm just telling you a ship of that size probably takes a mile and a half to slow down and actually get moving the other direction. >> so, all of those efforts would be futile if they only had two minutes to make a decision on what they. >> brian: they tried to adjust, right? that would have power. >> kayleigh: jake, for a lot of people watching, t they may just assume if you are on a plane or a ship, so much much this in this day and age in the 21st century is mechanical, right? but we have been told by two of our experts that human error is involved here as well. if you could just enlighten us, what part of this is autopilot and what part of this is capacity from human error from someone piloting this? >> my guess is it is probably going to be very limited human error on the actual event. the human error will come into play in the maintenance. something failed on this ship that caused it to lose power. they be not running on autopilot ever in this situation.

that's why there is two world class pilots on the ship very versed in baltimore harbor. >> that's the only harbor they work. in and they know everything. they were guiding the ship. there was a helmsman, engineman, the captain of the ship just crashed into the bridge. >> as we look at the cargo shep given the fact it takes a mile to slow it down. is there a possibility that that ship is overloaded it just weighs too much as well? >> so, i listened to the captain that you guys had on earlier and he said that ships leaving port were light, meaning that most of their cargo had been unloaded in baltimore harbor. and they were leaving light. i don't think light or heavy really had that much to do here. they lost the ability to control the ship.

the ship went out of control. the ship hit the bridge, now we have a catastrophic problem in baltimore. >> laura: you know, jake, you have been consistent since you were with us at the top of the program, you felt this was more of a recovery mission. why do you say that? water is an environment you don't live long in. can you go a long time without food but you can't go a long time without air. there is nobody holding their breath for five hours under water. cars don't trap water. they are going to lose the -- i'm sorry, cars don't trap air. i just think that right now the two survivors they found. one was incredibly injured. so they were able to find them early on and he is still in massive trouble in the hospital. and one was uninjured. my guess is those will be the two survivors and hopefully we

get limited number of people. we're talking about i heard seven. i find that hard to believe if there are seven people on the bridge and there was a construction crew on the bridge. you know, maybe we will get lucky and it will be a limited number of bad days for families today. >> brian: you got crash into it the time to do it you would think is 1:30 in the morning. probably the least trafficked time. imagine if this happened during rush hour. >> it could have been a lot worse. >> kayleigh: jake, when you look at this video, i realize maryland department of transportation secretary said he cannot confirm a power outage. but to the naked eye it looks like power seems to go in and out. what do you sees a somebody who is a navy seal and expert in this matter. >> as a former ship driver any time you see that ship go black they had a problem. and then all the lights come back on right before it hits the pier, you know, you see the smoke coming out of smokestack,

they got it slammed in reverse. the ship is turning -- it's just too big. it's too massive. i liken it to if you are in your car and you get a flat tire and you only have two seconds to react. you are not going to be able to do too much. a ship. >> steve: with your analysis and we had heard that it went dark too minutes before the ship hit the bridge but then like 10 seconds before it actually hits that particular support column, the lights flicker on in different parts of the ship and then they go out again. so maybe they were working like crazy to regain power, they got it, next thing you know it's just too late to turn. >> it takes -- i mean it takes probably five miles to turn that ship around. think about that, they had 150 yards of their side of the channel to hit that bridge. and i'm telling you it takes five miles to turn that ship around. they had no chance. >> brian: jake, thanks so much. we will check in with you again.

we appreciate it. we will try to gather for facts. go on the ground to griff jenkins who is live at the scene. griff, big disruption for commuters this morning they are getting up and wondering first off the welfare you have everyone on the bridge. and number two is how do i get to work? how do i get home? how do i get to school? >> that's right, brian. >> it is major thing. and you turn on the local news radio and you certainly hear them trying to navigate people to how they can get to and from work. now, the transportation authorities that i just spoke with here before coming on they told me they said there is three major thoroughfares to cross baltimore's harbor. and, obviously, this one now collapsed so they are trying to reroute traffic. they started several hours ago when they learned of this, just sort of minimize the impact. but this is one of the major areas in the northeast corridor because you have not only local traffic but you have 18 wheelers, moving cargo, north

and south. and so clearly, it's going to be a major disruption, but they do have two alternative ways now third one shut down. let me just give you a quick look from our perspective, brian, we're just about a thousand yards from where the francis scott key bridge collapsed. you can see the mangled top of it, what normally would be the bridge in the distance is now just that fallen piece there. the maryland transportation secretary paul we would if he would held that press conference i asked him a couple of questions was he ruling out any intentional cause. he said at this point they have not seen anything to that effect but that an investigation is underway. >> this isn't something they have ever seen before and they are really for lark of answers how this could have happened.

>> where the chesapeake bay meets and he said about 50 feet frigid water under 50 degrees making the life-saving part of this very difficult considering it's been more than five hours now since this has happened one thing you are going to hear a lot about why that ship wasn't being guided and how that ship was able to able to strike such a significant part of this bridge to bring such a large span down. do i know in talking off camera a little earlier when we first got on scene some of the maryland transportation authority employees were set to get off work, working the overnight late shift, they told me that there is a routine construction effort, almost every night they are out there paul wiedefeld saying they were doing concrete repair at the time. the numbers may fluctuate but

there may be as seven unaccounted for and, the two that came out. right now they are dealing with obviously the local impact of just the roads and getting across the harbor into baltimore. but, also, the shipping lanes now because baltimore with billions of dollars of shipping and commerce here, the nation's largest port in many respects now at a stand still as they try to get answers as to how this could have happened. brian? >> steve: there we have got our chopper scream zooming tout see the river and the port of baltimore. griff, one detail you were just talking about choir trophy during the press conference half an hour ago detailed how two people were actually fished out of the water. one person seriously injured. the other person declined treatment. do we have any idea where those two people were on the bridge? were they some of the people pouring the concrete? were they in cars? do we have any of those details

about where they road the bridge down? >> griff: they are talking about the family reunification because there is a large number of folks that work here. work for maryland's transportation. it happened overnight. people are waking up oh my goodness did my family or friend possibly were they involved in this? we don't have the details of that right now. working here to try to connection to this try to connect the family members to answer their questions. one thing we hope to hear a little bit later, perhaps, in this location will be from governor wes moore. we had thought perhaps he might be here. he wasn't here yet. whether or not we night be able to get the communication with

this ship in baltimore. conversations happening just prior to this incident happening investigation so fresh not clear if or when we might get some of those details as well. >> kayleigh: griff, there are obviously reporters who want answers and it's your jobs to ask questions and officials are doing all they can to give you all the details they know. there is another 9:30 a.m. update we hope to learn more. reporters were asking repeatedly was there an engine failure and power outage. at what time from your experience covering so many of these events should we expect to learn some detail about what happened? >> griff: well, who knows? it's a good question. and it's anybody's guess, really, because, you have now got, again, at this press conference, we had the maryland transportation secretary paul wiedefeld and then we had the incident commander locally for this region, the national coast

guard, obviously the coast guard is leading this search and rescue effort with three boats and one cutter in the water and a chopper flying above us right now. so it's that convergence where you have the federal investigation, meek the local investigation. they have to sort that out. that all leads to delays in the information to the media. we see it in criminal cases. and you certainly see it in this situation because there are international -- the world is watching this now. international shipping implications about this. and you're going to probably have to wait quite some time before we get the fullest picture of what has happened but obviously, this is going to be quite a two-part thing. one is the immediate search and rescue in the effort to save lives and recover people. the other is how and why this happened. so, unprecedented and what impact it's going to lead. to say.

>> steve: you have got to figure they have already asked the pilots hey, what happened. and they told them. it's going to be a while until we hear it. griff, great reporting there at the bridge cl bridge collapse ae river. we will be back. >> lawrence: we are having to balance to griff's point balance this all. obviously the main concern is recovering those that we hope that are still alive but then you have got the americans that are trying to get to work this morning. it's ends meet people are already living paycheck to paycheck. $80 billion last year of cargo came across there. got 52 million tons of cargo and $80 billion of revenue. we are praying for the folks there. praying that people get to work safely. >> steve: right. >> lawrence: it's a balancing act. >> steve: as griff said two other ways to get across. want two tunnels are on a normal day they are very busy. today they are super busy. >> brian: 31,000 cars were going over that bridge. so, that's pretty crazy.

now they got to suddenly take a major detour for the foreseeable future. >> kayleigh: at love federal questions here. we have mark meredith at the white house. questions about infrastructure that i'm sure the white house is thinking about now how this bridge collapsed. obviously collided with a ship. also, this is a major american port. the world sends cargo through. this so let's check in with mark meredith and look at how the white house is responding and taking this all, in mark. >> kayleigh, good morning to you, the white house says it is closely monitoring the developments in baltimore. white house officials have been in touch with the governor of maryland, wes moore. it is possible we could hear from the governor a little bit later on this morning. we have also heard from secretary pete buttigieg who heads up the department of transportation. he, too saying that he has been in contact with the governor. and that they're monitoring these developments out of baltimore. also, the headline from the white house this hour. that there is no indication to believe that there was anything nefarious going on with this accident but, of course, the investigation by the ntsb just getting underway. we have yet to hear from

president biden himself. is he going to be heading up to raleigh, north carolina today along with the vice president for some campaign events. it's possible he could say something as he heads out of town but the white house saying it is closely monitoring what is happening on the ground. we also heard from a number of maryland officials and those still hoping to become maryland officials including the former governor of the state larry hogan the republican candidate for senate. evidence put out a statement just a few minutes ago saying he was heart broken over. this we also heard from ben cardin saying horrific accident. urging people to think about their commute around the area. of course as brian was just mentioning, some people rely on that bring to get to and from the baltimore area. we will be looking to see what kind of federal resources in addition to the fbi that we know have already been out there that will be offered. kayleigh, to your point there is going to be an infrastructure question going forward. what could be done to prevent accidents like this from happening in the future whether or not we are going to see a huge economic impact to the

baltimore washington area is yet to be seen. some of the other officials will be looking at. >> steve: you just called it an accident we presume that to be true we have no information to be anything but. that means the ntsb would take over eventually, right? >> that's correct. the white house is saying that they have no reason to believe there was any nefarious attempt. >> the operating assumption they are going on it was an accident or something that was not necessarily meant to happen. but whether or not that is still t

about an hour away when it is there any plan for the secretary to go to the scene? >> great question, lawrence, i would have to bet whether today or tomorrow, we would see the secretary go there. i don't know if he's in washington or not, the secretary could be out of town. we will make that inquiry. with him putting out one of the first comments, it is not far for officials, it will take longer with traffic back up. you will see some federal administration response whether from the highway safety administration or dot, we'll wait to see. >> steve: you see the pile-ones

going up that ramp, suggest they were doing concrete work. >> bring in kurt, there is sonar technology, underwater uav and infrared technology. >> there is a lot of technology on the scene for rescue, as a consumer, did anyone have an apple watch on, does apple watch have capability of going to emit sos if low depth? it will not work down deep. is there iphone or samsung, those can emit a signal. it will not be very effective in dee deeper water. it could work. >> brian: onstar? automatic signal as soon as impact? >> in looking at the history, looking back at this accident,

it will come in handy. today, i don't think that will work in terms of locating. >> steve: i was thinking of you and it dawned on me, that is a toll bridge. they know who went on the bridge because of ez pass and cameras on both end. they know who was on the bridge at time it went down. >> today technology plays so much into forensics. we are all sitting here watching the video of the dali container ship, 2-1/2 football fields long. we see the lights go off and back on and see smoke billowing out the back, presumably someone trying to get power to reverse it. you have two pilots onboard. they are experts of the harbors, they know where every single

marker or pile-on that attaches to the bridge and they were at the helm tells me we will see something regarding the technology or power failed inside of it. >> steve: i think brian asked if the ships have black boxes. that would be helpful >> they do. if it went down, if the ship sunk, it is recoverable and that information tells what was happening and what systems were operating on the ship and may not have been operating at that time. >> brian: also live 360, if you are following a family member and there is an impact, if your live 360 did not go off, likely they got through. >> we look at apps, where are tug vessels? if you look in the baltimore

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