>> all right. fox on top of three major stories we're following very closely this morning, including the latest on that baltimore

bridge that collapsed after being hit by a container ship earlier in the week. now maryland governor is warning about the high cost of cleaning it up. he'll join me later in the hour. and the funeral of officer jonathan diller. we'll take you there. and in russia, in prison a journalist will be there after a russian court extended his detention and gave no reason. and former secretary of state mike pompeo will discuss that. >> one year since our colleague at the wall street journal was detained. and president biden talked about it yesterday. now, critics say that biden

needs to get tougher with putin to get evan released, including obama's former cia director back in 2010 helped to release them. biden says he needs to do this again, arrest russian spies at the embassy in washington and use them as leverage to get evan freed. >> we've got to develop some leverage here, frankly, and be able to arrest some of his spies so that he has a reason for coming to the bargaining table. that's the only game he understands is that if he does not release evan, he is going to suffer some serious consequences. >> in the last hour, friends of evan's appeared on your program and says that evan's sense of humor is getting him through the last year of captivity in one of russia's notorious

prisons and small time in a courtyard. >> he's teasing us in the letters and he's in a situation where we would think we'd need to support him. he's been supporting us it's incredible, fortitude that he has being in this tiny, notoriously difficult russian prison right now, but he is okay. >> so, there's the panetta playbook there, neil, the u.s. government needs to take russia spies hostage and meet in vienna and tell the russians to bring evan, neil. neil: good luck with that, lucas tomlinson, lucas at the white house. mike pompeo, you know the name, secretary always good having you on. >> good morning, neil. neil: i know hope springs eternal, you capture some of their guys and more inclined to

release some of our good guys. never seems to materialize and there was even walk with alexei navalny, so close to a deal to get him out. i don't know who to believe. >> it's great to be with you. these are difficult situations and the hostage work is some of the most gut wrenching work that i did as secretary of state and a little as cia director. as far as getting evan out. director panetta had that right, the only one thing he'll release him, if there's a cost to do so. and today there's nothing offered to vladimir putin convincing him to release evan. as for capturing russian spies, we should do that, whether or not they're holding someone in detainment. if there are russian spies in the united states, we should get them. not because someone is held in

russia, but we need to get them off the streets. there are trades to be made and there are dangers in trades, and we saw that with brittney griner, and president biden's ability to demonstrate cost and to date i've seen no evidence that they'll have real cost on vladimir putin to get evan home. >> this is the type of behavior, secretary, you'd kind of expect out of a banana republic or third world country. whatever you think of russia, it's still a super power. they're punching way under their weight and i'm just wondering, do they have any concept of how that looks to the world? >> neil, they do, but they don't give a rip. this is a long tradition. this goes back, we heard director panetta talk about his time. it goes back, and it pre dates that time. we've frankly rewarded countries for taking americans

and holding them. they find it lucrative and of value and get better positions pour them. and there's no domestic cost for vladimir putin for doing so and here we find ourselves. neil: i mentioned in the context, also, the ukraine war and we're two years into that, right, secretary, and vladimir putin is personally the richest he's ever been on oil revenues that were supposed to be sort of choked off are at a record high for russia right now and it's capitalizing off the higher energy prices. it seems like upsidedown world. >> yeah, i think it truly is. look, i think there's three big mistakes that have caused this to go on now two years and a handful of months. the first obviously was losing deterrents, not convincing vladimir putin there would be real costs for taking part of ukraine. we were able to do it for four years, we lost it when we left office. and second, we've not held, again, this is much like the issue with evan. we've not held anything that

vladimir putin values at risk. when he knows that ukrainian mothers are putting mothers are putting their children to bed at night and not feeling like they may wake up. and mothers in moscow are putting their children to bed, there's no cost for putin. the final piece, the one you get to, the sanctions efforts that the administration began with were jake sullivan came out and said don't worry, it will take a little bit of time proved to be feckless, they didn't set oil embargoes, didn't ban the product, they set a price gap and russians worked around them. sanctions are only effective if you enforce them and so they're punitive. and this administration didn't do that, they didn't the gas at the pump to be expensive in an election year. and sanctions have not obtained their issues. and it's made arming their military easier for them.

neil: senator, if i can switch back to israel. i'm not sure that a delegation for israel will be here or not a video conference. benjamin netanyahu scrapped the idea when we abstained from a vote that called for an immediate cease-fire, the first time, i believe it happened. we're promising 3.8 billion-- i'm sorry, on top of the 3.8 billion we give to israel every year and more aid and arms coming to them, but it seems we're handling it gingerly and i'm reminded of senator chris van hollen, more aid and war crimes, referring to their behavior in gaza and saying that you've got to be helping folks and not committing more war crimes. what did you think of that? >> you know, i think in some ways, senator schumer and senator holland have lost the focus. the focus is making sure something like happened on

october 7th never happens again and real costs on the iranian regime for funded, trained and facilitated what happened on october 7th. they seem so focused of left wing of their own democratic base, the sort of pro hamas part of their party instead of the defeat of hamas and making sure that we don't have hundreds of human beings-- americans still held hostage, raped, tortured way they were on october 7th and i hear the democratic chatter today is about slowing down israel, making sure that israel is behaving properly when in fact the objective needs to be the defeat, the destruction of all of the entirety of the infrastructure of hamas. neil: do you get a sense, we've never done this, of course the u.n. vote was unprecedented act as well, but we've never cut aid or, we might have in the past history on this matter, far better than i do, if israel wasn't toeing the line that the administration had it, that there was always the inference

maybe aid will be cut or threatened. do you think that's what's next? >> i hope not. it wouldn't make any sense in the current context. the israelis are fighting a common foe. they're fighting the iranian regime, a common foe not only of the united states and israel, but of the gulf arab states as well. the world's largest state sponsor of terror. for israel to conduct a campaign at that keeps americans safer would be both pound foolish and silly and dangerous. neil: i'm just wondering, as we step back from this and it's always a crazy world and i've written a great deal about it, and as secretary of state, you've witnessed it and dealt with it and tried to improve it. it is what it is. but it seems like bad guys are winning a pr war. i mean, hamas, now looks like a sympathetic figure. china who plays in the eyes of many of the press, a

statesman-like role in the crisis. russia and vladimir putin getting the edge and also, having a significant improvement in their image in the eyes of the world. none of this makes sense, secretary. >> you know, neil, i actually think i disagree with you. i don't think they're winning the pr war, i think they may be winning the propaganda campaign and maybe influencing some across the broad spectrum of the west, not only the u.s. and europe, but japan, and think of who we are for things that matter in our own nation, if we don't teach our kids this is indeed an exceptional nation and that america, not that we don't screw up from time to time, but we're trying to make life better for not only the american people, but people across the world. if they're losing that thread how we're educating our children, you could be right. it could be that the

evil-doers, the bad guys win that story line. when you're the strong horse and bad things happen here at home. neil: i certainly hope you're right and i'm wrong. secretary, always an honor to have you. thank you for your service to the country. >> bless you. happy easter, neil. neil: you, too, very good easter at that. mike pompeo. we're taking you back to massapequa, new york where there's a funeral going on for officer jonathan diller killed last week monday so remember, a week ago this time he was alive and well and enjoying his 1-year-old son. that was then, this is now. what makes this so captivating, this is not the ordinary funeral for a cop, and normally those in the state turn out. these are heroes from all over the world, all 50 states and some coming as far away as europe, to send a signal. what went on here was senseless and wrong and cruel and it must

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because everything is better without soggy sandwiches. it's better outside with ninja. >> all right. it looks like there could be another caravan on its way to the southern border. these things seem to happen sporadically. i was looking at the dates and time periods. it doesn't seem to be a rhyme or reason for it, looks like a big one, just like the others. casey stegall was more from el paso, texas. >> in fact, the organizers of that caravan tell fox that they're currently deep in southern mexico. in fact, not terribly far from the border of guatemala and they'll head to mexico city first and then eventually the united states, video shows the group of about 2000 marching through the streets at times chanting in spanish, we are not criminals, we're international workers. it is not clear, however, when they will reach our southern border or where they'll go.

sources say they will not all head to the same spot, rather, it will being broken up into smaller groups by cartels and strategically sent to several different locations. for context, this is how far away they still are. they're in the southern state about 18 hours by car, a 18-hour drive to mcallen, some 926 miles. it's even further to reach places like eagle pass and el paso. >> this administration hasn't done a single thing to slow the flow. it means when the caravan gets to the border they'll send more resources to the border to process quicker and release quicker. if there's no overcrowding, they can keep saying the border is secure. >> in the meantime, new texas dps video from webb county shows a high speed pursuit earlier this week. watch this video. the driver stops, bails out, and jumps over the center concrete median in oncoming

traffic and they found five migrants inside. two were hidden inside the trunk, all mexican nationals. that smuggler, by the way, did get away and successfully avoided arrest. at least for now. neil. >> casey, thank you very much. great reporting on this as always, casey stegall in el paso. do any of you remember the squatters rights illegal. ice captured, and in the detention center in washington. what more do we know. >> we know that a venezuelan illegal alien, tick-tocker, was posting to other illegals to squat in americans' homes. moreno is an unlawfully present citizen of venezuela who illegal entered the country april 23, of 2022. now, he was placed into the alternative to detention program by border patrol and was told to report to

enforcement and removal operations office within 60 days of arriving at his destination and moreno did not report as required. he was arrested and ice in ohio yesterday. our colleague, bill melugin was with them in boston, and they gathered up a alln allegedly rat and others. >> the worst of the worst in massachusetts. >> ice quickly takes down their first target, an illegal from guatemala charged with aggravated child rape. a colombian national, accused of rape of a child above 14. >> i don't have enough to tackle these. are we going after the child rapists today or the two-times

deported fentanyl dealer because we can't get both. >> and great work by bill there. this comes as a new ap poll show that americans look at illegals committing a crime. >> you can handle everything we throw at you, but i'll find you slipping one of these days and that's my goal. good luck on that, griff jenkins. let's get a look at something else, run away food costs are one thing. in california if you're running a restaurant, you're facing the prospect of paying at least a $20 minimum wage. even if you yourself is not, the pressure is on to make sure you follow suit. food for thought. it's a mess. ♪(relaxing music)♪ (♪) (♪) (♪)

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>> we used to get them for a dollar. now the meal is $so. >> nobody wants to pay $20 a meal, and the family of four $80 to eat out? realistically, not doable. neil: all right, realistically though, a lot of california restaurants, not all of them. maybe some of the bigger ones will have to fork over $20 an hour as a new high wage begins to grip the state. some are welcoming it, others not so much. scott roderick is probably in the latter category. the mcdonald's franchisee owns 18 restaurants in california. that would be a good thing to have. scott, good to have you. >> good morning, neil, thanks for having me on, on monday-- >> how does it work for you? tell us how it works for you. you're not part of this? >> well, this new minimum wage

that comes on board on monday, unfairly targets 15,000 franchise restaurants across the state of california. the vast majority of these restaurants are family-owned and operated like my restaurants and i underscore family owned because franchisees are not large, global corporations. the restaurant brands that we franchise might be national in names, but franchisees are local business operators. what's going to happen on monday, april 1st is unprecedented let alone extraordinary not only for california, but any state of the union. a 25% mandated wage increase overnight targeting a single subsector of one private industry has never ever been done before. you've reported on your show in years past historically many studies have been done by cities and they've promulgated living wages with bumps, like in san francisco where i opened my first restaurant.

the increases were phased overtime and subject to inflation. it was a process that could be planned for, it was fair to employees and fair to people who create the jobs. but this particular massive overnight government mandate on wage is extraordinary and unprecedented. the other unprecedented element of this-- >> what are you going to do now? sorry to jump on you there, but what are you going to do? >> that is the question that all of us franchisees in calle ka are asking, instead of lamenting bad legislation, i need to look forward. obviously, price has to be a consideration, but i can't charge $25 for a quarter pounder with cheese so i've got to look at every option for business survivability. i've got to be aggressive in seeking labor efficient growth, i am going to have to explore more digital and delivery avenues, obviously make like any small business owners harder choices around big capital expenditures, can i postpone remodeling a dining

room. can i put off investing in a new grill should i even open a new restaurant in california against these headwinds? a lot of people have asked the obvious, is the move to cut labor or reduce staff, but frankly in my organization, that's the very last thing i want to look at. people are my greatest asset, it's been that way in my organization for 30 years so i need to improve my operations by building market share and look at every stone unturned to find solutions to surviving this awful, bad legislation that befalls 15,000 restaurants only in california on monday morning. neil: so when the governor's office comes back and says, guys like you with, let's say 18 mcdonald's restaurants under your ownership can afford this, you say? >> well, guys like me are an army of small business owners throughout the state that create jobs. the fact of the matter is in the state of california two-thirds of all new jobs created are small business

jobs. and 50% of folks that work in the private sector work for a family-owned business like me. so, i would ask the governor and legislators to spend more time understanding what job creators go through to not only open a business, but to sustain a business. and to create this unfair playing field specifically targeted to the franchise community in california blows up any concept of fairness in the scheme of operating in the state of california. neil: well, keep us posted on all of this, scott. thank you very much, scott rodrick, this new $20 wage up from $16 goes into effect for a good many, more than half of restaurants in the golden state. we'll keep you posted on that and also keeping you posted on the latest recovery efforts that are going on and repair efforts going on in baltimore. we've already heard from the ceo that lloyds of london that this will be the most expensive maritime disaster in global

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>> all right. it is a massive recovery effort going on right now in baltimore. you know, of course, ever since that ship, of course, the span of a bridge, the bridge collapses, you know the drill by now. it's about 4,000 tons of debris in the process and a lot of delayed traffic and goods and

services all through perhaps one of the world's busiest port areas. we're going to be talking to governor wes moore about all of that. he's been leading this charge to get this under control, getting bipartisan praise. in the meantime i want to go to madeleine rivera in baltimore with the latest. >> hey, neil, yeah, so much at stake here. this morning we did see workers on one of the cranes by the ship, but told no work has begun to lift the debris off the water. the problem, you've got this behind me and the span of this bridge hanging over the bow of the ship and that bridge weighs about 3,000 to 4,000 tons and the cranes that are headed to this area, they can left anywhere from 150 to 1,000 tons. so this bridge essentially has to be broken into smaller pieces so that these cranes can lift them up out of the water and right now we're told the engineers and inspectors are in the planning stages to figure out how to do this work safely.

>> we can see the engineers and the divers and the survey boats out there on the water in these difficult wind conditions doing their job, doing their work, to assess that bridge, to figure out how we can cut it up into the pieces we need to be able to lift. >> needless to say, neil, this is complex and difficult work and one of the tricky parts is once you remove a piece of the wreckage you've got to reassess the situation. i'm told by unified command, which is the coalition of federal, state and local organizations that are headed up this response that they are close to wrapping up the planning stages. they're planning to scale up the number of assets on sites to seven cranes, 10 tugs and nine barges over the next five days and an urgency to get the work doing. remember, there are still four people unaccounted for and maryland police divers are on standby to recover some of the

victims that may be in there. and the goal of reopening the channel and the port with thousands of jobs and billions of dollars on the line. >> i want to just say to the 8,000 dock workers out there, we know you're there, we're going to find a way to get you back to work, and we want to find a way, also, to increase the ability for people to realize that this affects supply chains all over the country. >> as for the investigation, the n.t.s.b. has boarded the ship and spoken to the pilot, they say they have data consistent with a power outage on the ship, but they say this investigation is going to take anywhere from a year to two years, neil. neil: amazing. thank you. madeleine rivera. governor wes moore of maryland is coming out of a closed door meeting, i should stress. kind enough to join us now. governor, very good to have you. >> good morning, thank you. neil: what's the latest,

governor? >> well, the latest is that the operations continue. you know, there have been four priorities that i've laid out and four directives. first, we've got to bring a sense of closure to the families. four individuals who are unaccounted for and four families looking for a measure of closure and we're committed to getting that to them. focus on making sure we're opening up these channels. this is a huge economic impact not just to baltimore, not just to the state of maryland, but the economic impact this is having on the american economy is staggering when one of the busiest ports, one of the most effective ports in this country has essentially been shut down. we have to make sure that we're protecting all people impacted by this and that includes our port workers, our families, our heroic first responders and literally to this day, we've got first responders who continue to work around the clock to make sure we're accomplishing the larger mission. the fourth piece and most important, we're going to rebuild the francis scott key

bridge. this is important, iconic and necessary and making sure these are all happening simultaneously. neil: governor, you had said, i believe yesterday, that we face a long road ahead. there are others who are trying to put pen to paper and calculate that. one estimate out there has a rebuilding effort that could go up to half a billion dollars. lloyds of london that insures a lot of these disasters says this could be the most expensive maritime disaster ever. others saying that the dollars notwithstanding, it's going to be many years until that port and that area is back to normal. do you agree with that? >> the road to recovery is going to be long. it is going to be expensive. and it's going to be necessary and we're going to get it done. i think when people talk about the impact of this port, they're right. we're talking about a port that's responsible for upwards of 191 million dollars of economic activity.

we're talking about a port of baltimore that employs over 8,000 workers directly and 10,000 more indirectly, right. so, this has a significant impact on the american economy and we have to make sure that we're doing it right, that we're doing it safely and that we have to come to a point of conclusion where we are going to rebuild this, but we have to rebuild it right. neil: to your point, governor, and you've been very careful not to sort of opine on what might have caused this, we know that the power outage and all of that, and how that might have contributed to the ship listing, ultimately hitting the bridge, but we do know that the ship was carrying about 4,000 metal shipping containers, 56 of them were hazardous materials. and what can you tell us about that? and is there any threat of them spilling open underwater? >> there's no current threat to the public that we have for the materials. and you're right, of the 4,000

crates, we've identified that 56 of them have some form of hazmat material and when we say that that includes things like perfumes, and ion batteries, but has not posed any form of threat to the public. we've already been working with unified command and there's over 2700 feet of boom that's been surrounding the area, capturing any type of materials that's been laid out and we're continuing to assess the materials that's being captured within the boom, but there's no threat that has been assessed to the public. neil: you know, already, and it's always politics that gets involved, governor, sadly, depending on your point of view, there are some in congress leary of the federal government taking and handling the full tab of this, even though that's the understanding and in most cases that's how these things are dealt with. what do you think of that debate? >> we need congress to move on this and i'm -- we're not doing it because people need to do us a favor.

baltimore, maryland, the port of baltimore doesn't need a favor. we need to understand that this port is responsible for the largest amount of car shipments, heavy vehicles, agricultural equipment in the entire country that this port is one of the leading economic drivers that we have inside of our nation's economy so this is not just impacting marylanders, this is also impacting the farmer in kentucky, this is impacting the car dealer in michigan, this is impacting people all over this country and so we need to be able to move quickly. we need to be able to move swiftly, need to move in a bipartisan fashion, this should not be lost on anybody that our entire delegation, democrats and republicans, have urged movement on this issue and that's the type of momentum and that, frankly, is the type of frame that all of congress needs to take on the urgency of this moment. >> you know, governor, this is my thought here, i mean, i'm no

shipping expert and i understand that the worst maritime disaster and expense and all of that, but what do you think of just the role of large ships, period? this was an exceptionally large cargo ship and that's an exceptionally large port to handle that. they're getting bigger and bigger, icon of the seas, the ship three times larger than "titanic," next year a passenger ship that's going to dwarf that one. is it a danger to watch that these things don't cause the disasters? does it worry, does it concern you? >> we have to make sure that we're focusing on safety in everything that we do. there's no higher responsibility than any of us as chief executives have than making sure that our citizens are safe, our citizens are secure and that our critical infrastructure is built correctly and i also know that we've got to make sure that we're keeping our economic engine going. how we're producing our goods,

supporting our small businesses and our large industries and making sure that the united states, that our economy continues to be the economic engine of the world is going to be crucial and that's going to require multiple means, multi-modal transportation entity to be able to support that. so it will include our maritime industry. we're grateful that we have a strong maritime industry and that the port of baltimore serves as an important factor in that maritime industry. i believe in the growth of it, but we need to make sure that it's being done safely. neil: got it. governor, i know you're a pretty busy fella to put it mildly. thank you. be well, be safe. governor wes moore of maryland. >> god bless you. thank you. neil: right back at you, governor. thank you. meanwhile, we had another scare in the air and this was really a scare and it was mid air after this. there are many ways to do things. at old dominion freight line, we do them this way.

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>> i don't know if you heard about this one, but not a good friday for flyers on board united flight coming from tel aviv, israel, on the way to newark, new jersey. the passenger had to be diverted to new york after high winds caused severe and i mean severe turbulence. at least 200 had to be seen by paramedics on the tarmac once the plane landed and at least half a dozen were taken to a local hospital. luckily, we're told there were no serious injuries and those who remained on board were finally flown to newark. you talk about a scary time, but adam klotz was warning about the high winds and seemed to come out of nowhere, adam. what can you tell sus? >> impactful to say the least. the upper level winds, has been fueling and driving some of the storms across the country. currently we see a movement over portions of ohio and

another big weather maker across portions of california spreading into the mountain west, all something to be paying attention to as you're going to be seeing rounds of very heavy rain. in california, actually driven by the atmospheric river, these upper level winds across the country. we're seeing flood likely there across portions of san diego up toward los angeles and it does break down a little for your sunday forecast. now for the rest of the country and for the rest of this holiday forecast, you notice a couple of big things going on. it's obviously much warmer here across the west and eastern united states. spots in the 60's, 70's, already this morning and it does make for fairly comfortable weather there across the southeast and these are your forecasted highs on the day, but right along this boundary here, a couple of systems, the ones in the upper midwest and the midwest we're paying attention to and those are going to set up and say this is your saturday forecast. if you're wondering what's happening on your easter sunday. something similar, snow across the mountain west, still some

rain across california. really, the only purely nice spot across the country is all across the south. neil, temperatures are up in the 80's, the 70's and we mostly stay dry for those up and down the east coast. plenty of places out there to be tracking some weather here over the course of the weekend. neil: all right, adam. have a wonderful easter. >> thank you. neil: adam klotz our intrepid meteorologist. and want to take to you rome, pope francis, you might have heard yesterday, skipped out on part of the friday procession in the rome colosseum, not a rite of passage, but iconic event for popes, period. and some have missed it as john pall ii, as this pope plans for easter sunday mass tomorrow in vatican city. we'll keep you posted on that and more after this.

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>> scary world and it was scary in the vatican yesterday when we got word that pope francis was going to stay at the vatican, he wasn't going to go to the colosseum in rome for this annual good friday event, a rite of passage for popes and catholics and certainly in italy, one of the biggest events of holy week and certainly easter weekend. he does plan, that is the pope, to celebrate mass. so that's still on. but had a lot of folks worried. i believe he's 86 years young, but he's strong and as vibrant as you can get, but he just wanted to sort of rest out for the big event. it is a big time. it is a big moment and for the world, it's a big time to come together. reverend franklin graham,

hosting an easter special tomorrow on fox news at noon, but you can catch it pretty much everywhere because he's doing it and it gets people's attention. reverend, good to see you. happy easter. >> happy easter to you, neil, thank you. neil: tell us a little bit. i mean, i was thinking you -- ahead of this when we chat i always enjoy them thinking about the passing of people like joe lieberman who just tried to exhibit class and rising above the fray and then the same week we see this ship accident in baltimore, same time we have, you know, people at each other's throats in politics, to say nothing of a war that drags on in ukraine. a lot of scary things. how do you calm people down? >> well, first of all, god. god's in control, neil and when you see these dangerous things that have happened, joe

lieberman's death, we see the war in ukraine, all of this stuff is -- shows you who the world is broken and the only hope is almighty god so i pray for the pope, i pray for joe lieberman's family that god would watch over them and comfort them, but yet, we all are going to have to stand before god and this is what easter is all about, neil, is god loving this world, sending his son jesus christ to die and to shed his blood for our sins and he was buried for our sins. he took our sins to the grave, but on the third day risen to life and we thank god for this opportunity to be able to share that with people around the world on easter. neil: you've devoted your life for that, it's impressive, reverend. i'm wondering, even you, a decent human being, a man of god, a man of faith and looking at a world that increasingly is

not that way and it's not just among christians, it's the church attendance is down, mosque attendance down. we're seeing it among our jewish friends and colleagues that religion is not as important in their lives. what do you make of it? >> well, i think that the bible shows this. there will be a falling away as we get closer to the end of time and that's what we're seeing. we're seeing a falling away. people are turning their back on god. they're trusting in their own strength, trusting in their own ability. they're trusting in their own finances, but neil, the only hope is god and his son jesus christ. i have no faith in our politicians. there's not a politician out there that's going to save us. only god can save us and that's through his son jesus christ. so, i hope this easter people will look to god, to his son and put their faith and trust in him.

neil: so, when you see people who handle a world like this and a war that drags on in israel, tens of thousands dead n now, in ukraine we don't know how many dead now, and a lot of people snap back and say, well, where is god? what is he doing to help us here? what do you say? >> well, i think every war people have asked the same question, but war is caused by sin and sin is of disobedience to god. when the first man adam disobeyed god, sin came into the world and infected the entire world and it's a disease of the human soul and that's when christ came to save us for our sins and war is evidence of the sin in the world so we see sin everywhere we turn. we see the results of sin. and that's why we need god and why we need to put our faith and trust in him and in him

alone. neil: do you think that's going to happen? >> well, again, i hope this easter people will turn to god and this special that we have of michael w. smith with me to israel, we filmed this back a few months ago and it's all about celebrating our risen savior, not a dead savior, a risen savior and that's what this is all about. neil: we look forward to that. reverend, thank you very much. happy easter to you and happy easter to all. >> thank you. neil: we've enjoyed being in your homes. we've enjoyed talking to you, continue to talk to you. get out of the way! as if watching my team lose wasn't punishment enough. what are you looking at huh... it's a one speed. hahaha. hahaha. and if you have cut rate car insurance, odds are you'll be paying for that yourself.

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