and of course kat timpf that's tonight at 10:00 p.m. >> dana: jesse? >> president d podcast. i was on that this weekend. check that out on youtube. >> dana: what were you drinking? >> jesse: apple. >> greg: i watched it. >> jesse: that's a great weekend for you. "jesse watters primetime" trump is the solar eclipse. >> harold: congrats on being number one. >> greg: he feels guilty. >> dana: do you want to go. >> judge jeanine: i will go tomorrow. dine. >> dana: harold, do you want to go. >> >> harold: no. it's going to be a great game tonight. that's it for us. everybody. have a great night. >> bret: hey, dana purdue, don't even need the points. all right. thanks. former president donald trump declines to endorse a national abortion ban. tonight the fallout from all sides. meantime president biden is going to try again to forgive student loan debt for millions of americans after courts have shot down previous attempts.

a and what writes do accused squatters have? well, it depends on where they are squatting. we'll bring you that. ♪ >> bret: good evening. i'm bret baier. tens of millions of americans look to the skies today to catch hopefully a protected glimpse of a rare total eclipse of the sun. weather cooperated along much of the path of totality. the lighting people who had ventured from around the world to what we are supposed to be prime viewing locations. many others witnessed varying degrees of a partial eclipse. chief correspondent jonathan hunt has a complete wrap up tonight from one of those prime spots, indianapolis. good evening, jonathan. >> good evening, bret. it has been an incredible day for so many americans. awe inspiring, bret taking in its beauty. a cosmic co-incidence that we won't see in the u.s. again for 20 years.

>> w. telescopes and eyes pointed to the sky, tens of millions of eclipse watchers from mexico maine took in a rare and extraordinary total eclipse of the sun. >> definitely worthy. once in a lifetime. >> incredible. everything people say it. >> i just feel like whoa. >> in the united states, the sky first darkened in texas on want border with mexico around 12:30 p.m. local time. with totality, the sun entirely covered by the moon, experienced for roughly three to four-plus minutes in more than a dozen states along the path of the eclipse. a stunning moment for all of the privileged enough to witness it. >> it really does make you appreciate the beauty of the earth, the beauty of the moon and the sun. the beauty of the universe that we are so privileged to be a part of. it's just quite an extraordinary thing. >> those under clear skies saw

partial sun conch until just before totality when points of light appeared around the edges of the moon. the result of sunlight moving through valleys on the lunar surface. and finally one last bright spot like a diamond ring before the sun appeared as a black disk with only its outer atmosphere or corona visible. then the process reversed. the sun slowly reemerged. in the u.s., the eclipse from start to finish lasted about an hour and 10 minutes. ending in northeastern maine. >> when it got totally dark, i literally was screaming the whole time. actually cried a little tear or two it was overwhelming. >> with the moon blocking the sun, temperatures dropped, winds changed direction, shadows fell differently and birds stopped chirping. scientists took full advantage of the opportunity for reeveryone. >> we learn a lot about the interaction. about the size of the sun from the events.

it is an educational experience as well as an immersive one. >> so, for scientists, today was a huge research opportunity. for the rest of us, the tens of thousands who were here at the indianapolis motor speedway and the millions more who witnessed the eclipse firsthand across the country, it was a physical and emotional, even a spiritual experience. and a memory that will certainly last a lifetime. bret? >> bret: jonathan hunt live in indianapolis. jonathan, thank you. ♪ >> bret: breaking tonight former president donald trump is now on the record about his current position on abortion. the presumptive republican nominee released a video today saying the issue should be left to the states in the post roe v. wade era. now reaction from all sides come in. correspondent madison scarpino is in palm beach, florida tonight. >> states will determine by vote

or legislation or, perhaps, both and whatever they decide must be the law of the land. >> former president trump clarified his stance on abortion, ending speculation that he was qualifying his pro-life position. >> many states will be different. many will have a different number of weeks. >> the former president declined to endorse a federal abortion ban after his campaign floated a 15-week ban earlier this year. trump says he supports exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother. >> you must follow your heart or in many cases your religion or your faith. >> trump's announcement swiftly denounced by one of the nation's leading pro-life groups and evangelicals, including former vice president mike pence who said it was, quote, a slap in the face to millions of pro-life americans who previously voted for trump. the biden administration also slammed trump for his role in overturning roe v. wade and restricting abortion rights. >> if he were to be put back in a position where he could sign

off on a law, he would sign off on national abortion ban. >> the latest fox news poll shows that most voters believe abortion should be legal. it's an issue that ranks high on the list for voters in key swing states where trump and biden are campaigning this week. trump raised more than $50 million at a private dinner or saturday in palm beach. nearly doubles what biden brought in from an event with former presidents clinton and obama last month. but in terms of cash on hand, trump trails biden who has $192 million to trump's $93 million. former president trump also reiterated that he supports in vitro fertilization and says that under his leadership the republican party will always support the miracle of life. bret? >> bret: madison scarpino live in palm beach. madison, thanks. also breaking tonight, a new york appeals court judge is rejecting former president trump's bid to delay his april 15th criminal trial over

payments to adult film actress. seek obligor move that case out of manhattan. first of four criminal indictments slated to go it trial. this would be the first criminal trial ever of a former president of the united states. president biden is once again trying to come up with a way to get american taxpayers to foot the bill for millions of people who took out loans to go college. he has already been rebuffed by the u.s. supreme court on this effort. but this is an election year. and the efforts continue. white house correspondent jacqui heinrich is at the white house tonight live on the north lawn. good evening, jacqui. >> good evening, bret. top officials fanned out in swing states today to promote biden's bid to fulfill a campaign promise he made ahead of his first term as he seeks a second. the majority of americans with federally held student debt will benefit if this plan sticks. >> folks, i will never stop to deliver student debt relief hardworking americans. >> president biden announcing

plans to slash student debt for nearly 30 million americans, wiping out to 20 grand in accrued interest for borrowers who owe more now than when they took out their initial loan and also giving automatic relief to those who qualify for certain programs or have been in repayment for decades. trying to stave off legal challenges the administration framing it as a financial hardship program designed to address low value degrees and cancel run away interest. >> some of my republican friends and special interest sued us and the supreme court blocked us. but that didn't. [boos] >> that didn't stop us. >> critics say biden is overstepping his authority again. >> biden is brazenly defying the law and then he has the audacity, the arrogance to brag about it. what he is really doing is shredding the constitution. he changed his method of loan forgiveness in the latest plan but the same legal principles that make it unconstitutional still apply. >> republican state attorneys

general already planning court challenges. biden's campaign tieing it back to trump saying, quote. >> it's what is to be expected from a fraud like trump who screwed over students fake universities running to make himself and his friends even richer at his expense. trying to tamp down discontent in his base. ignore biden's warnings against operation in rafah. >> the president has made requests to the netanyahu government. they have ignored those requests. and we have sent more 2,000-pound bombs. we cannot revert back to that. >> today officials denied reports that israel plans to go into rafah within days saying they have vowed to wait for a broader discussion on viable options and alternatives. meantime as pressure mounts from the left families of u.s. citizens being held hostage are meeting with national security adviser jake sullivan here at the white house. bret? >> bret: jacqui, later this week the house will deliver to the senate articles of impeachment

against homeland security secretary alejandro, mayorkas. what's the white house saying on that tonight? >> they seem pretty confident the democrat lead senate isn't taking this anywhere framing it as cynical political stunt. they wrote in a statement quote the worst part of this extreme republicans have silly baseless stunt it at the same time they killed a bipartisan security bill delivered needed resources to dhs. the white house also cited legal experts calling it unconstitutional, bret. >> bret: jacqui heinrich live on the north lawn, jacqui, thank you. stocks were mixed ahead of new inflation data this week. the dow lost 11, the s&p 500 off 2. the nasdaq gained 5. attorney general merrick garland is standing up to house republicans tonight and could be facing a contempt of congress vote himself. g.o.p. lawmakers want audio recordings of president biden's interview with the special counsel last fall. attorney general garland says

no. correspondent david spunt has the latest tonight from the justice department. >> attorney general merrick garland refusing to turn over to congress audio interviews between president biden and then special counsel robert hur. the doj writing the committee's interests may not be in receiving information in service of legitimate oversight or investigatory functions but to serve political purposes that should have no role in the treatment of law enforcement files. house republicans threatened garland with contempt of congress. if he didn't produce the audio. hur interviewed biden for parts of a two-day period in october. >> i'm here today to announce the appointment of robert hur as a special counsel. >> garland appointed hur as special counsel in early 2023 to investigate the classified documents found at several locations connected to the president, qulowgd his wilmington, delaware garage. hur criticized the president's handling of the documents.

though no criminal charges were filed. last month garland released the transcript of the interview. several democrats privately tell fox news they believe republicans want the audio to make president biden look bad during an election year. his memory mentioned several times in the report. >> i could have written my report, theoretically in a way that omitted references to the president's memory, but that would have been incomplete and improper report. >> garland released hur's report in full to the public weeks ago. but doj did cooperate in part today by handing over a transcript featuring the ghost writer of biden's book. >> bret, late this afternoon we received a statement from republican house oversight chairman james comer. he is not happy. he says in part the biden administration does not get to determine what congress needs and does not need for its oversight of the executive branch. it's curious the biden administration is refusing to release the audio of president biden's interview with the special counsel after releasing

the transcript. why shouldn't the american people be able to hear the actual audio of his answer? no word yet on when or if possibly an actual contempt vote could take place other in the house. bret? >> bret: david spunt, the justice department. david, thanks. up next, we are hearing a lot about migrant squatters these days, different cities. so what are the laws surrounding this activity? we'll take a look. first, here's what some of our fox affiliates around the country are covering tonight. fox 5 in new york as actor jonathan majors avoids jail time for assaulting his former girlfriend. he was sentenced to probation and ordered to complete a year long counseling program. the 34-year-old actor had faced up to a year behind bars. after he was convicted of misdemeanor assault by a manhattan jury in december. fox 17 in nashville as country music star morgan wallen is arrested and accused of throwing a chair from a roof top bar. the incident happened six story

building it landed #-z close to two police officers. so one was hurt though. the singer's attorney says he is cooperating with full live with authors. >> in billingsley, montana railway at issue are the luck cancer deaths of two people who lived in a small montana town where thousands of people were exposed to asbestos from a mine. harmful materials large railyard and failed to contain the dust from them. there is no proof the victims were exposed to above level as guess toast levels. here is a live look arizona. fox 10 our affiliate there. uconn and purdue meet for the college basketball national championship. university of connecticut is defending charge i don't know. purdue has two time national player of the year zac eddie. tipoff is scheduled for 9:20 eastern time. that's tonight's live look

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♪ >> bret: salvage crews are removing containers from the deck of the cargo ship that crashed and collapsed into the

francis scott key bridge in baltimore. it's an important step toward the full reopening of one of the nation's main shipping lanes. the authorities say the remidieval of the containers from the deck of the dali will continue this week as weather permits. ♪ >> bret: we're hearing a lot lately about migrants allegedly staying illegally in buildings owned by other people. it turns out squatters' rights vary significantly from state to state. correspondent danamarie mcknowledge takes a look tonight from miami. >> all 50 states have some form of squatter-related laws but they vary wildly and sometimes do seemingly little to protect property owners. today, in almost all states, to remove a squatter, landlords must go through a lengthy and expensive legal battle in eviction court. depending on the state, that process could take weeks, months, even years. >> oh my god. >> a homeowner in florida tells

us it took six weeks to get squatters out. during that time she suffered 40,000ness damages and was physically assaulted. >> do not touch me. >> bricks thrown at my car. they chased us with scissors. they threatened that they had the right to bear arms. they threw human feces at us. >> louisiana, alabama, and south carolina have some of the fastest and owner oriented eviction processes in the country. often removing squatters within weeks. whereas new york, washington, d.c. and california on average take more than five months, according to the american apartment owner's association. an eviction moratorium enacted during the height of covid caused a backlog of cases. in new york right now there are nearly 200,000 active eviction cases up from 33,000 before the pandemic. >> i think there are many inefficiencies in certain states in how the eviction coursework. there is really no one way that they all operate in across the

board. >> ever several messy cases, new york and three states have introduced new squatter related legislation that would speed up the legal process and give homeowners more rights. here in florida, governor ron desantis has criminalized squatting a new law allows law enforcement to remove squatters quickly. bret? >> bret: danamarie, thank you very much. up next president biden's top diplomat says ukraine's future is in nato. we will wring that you story. first, beyond our borders tonight, the vats can declares gender affirming surgery and surrogacy of grave violations of human dignity. puts them in the same category as abortion and euthanasia that practices that reject god's plan for human life. advocates for lgbtq+ immediately criticized the position as updated, harmful and contrary to the stated goal of recognizing the infinite dig any of all god's children. a makeshift ferry sinks off mow zam bic's thorn coast. 94 people dead so far the the

island administrator says the overcrowded and 134 people on board. whom drowned were children. this is a live look at london famous changing of the guard ceremony outside of buckingham palace for the first time. personnel marched together in display of solidarity between britain and france amid the war in ukraine. just some of the other stories beyond our borders tonight. we'll be right back ♪ lean on me ♪ when you're not strong ♪ and i'll be your friend ♪ i'll help you

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tonight. >> ukraine's future is in nato. >> the biden administration is going full steam ahead on nato membership for ukraine. well, sort of. first the state department says the war against russia must end. >> ultimately, that's a process that moves forward at the end of this conflict. >> then ukraine needs to meet certain conditions to qualify. >> ukraine is attracting more and more private investment. and it is valiantly holding ground on the battlefield in the fails of ongoing russian onslaught. >> president zelenskyy though says his military desperately needs more weapons and funding now or putin will win. >> for all of us, not only for ukraine. >> but the white house says it's congress' fault. ukraine is losing grground in te battlefield and that's because of congressional inaction. >> speaker mike johnson faces pressure to get an aid package done this week. the sticking point republicans in both chambers. >> if he brings up a foreign aid package sending billions of dollars to ukraine without doing anything on the southern border, it will be a disgrace. >> but, rather than vote on the

senate's $95 billion bill, johnson is pushing the repo act. >> if we can use the seized assets of russian oligarchs to allow the ukrainians to fight them, that's just pure poetry. >> most house republicans acknowledge the stakes are high. >> if ukraine falls, other former satellite countries like moldova would fall with it that would bwould be an poo let partr crisis across the globe. as the speaker mike johnson's leadership spot. representative marjorie taylor greene has been threatening to vacate the speakership if ukraine goes forward in its current form meaning it could just take one member of congress to cast him out of the speakership, bret. >> bret: that could happen this he can would. gillian turner live at the state department. gillian, thanks.

♪ israel's battle plan against hamas. this comes amid speculation true meaning of recent troop movements inside gaza. trey yingst reports tonight from tel aviv. >> this entering rafah and battalion there this will happen. there is a date. >> benjamin netanyahu laying out clear indications that his troops will enter gaza's southern most city of wrath fall. the comments come after a surprise move over the weekend with israel withdrawing nearly all its forces from gaza. leaving just one brigade with a few thousand soldiers behind. but israeli officials say the tactical decision is not an indication the war against hamas is over. rather a recalibration amid emerging regional threats. >> i presume this is a tactical decision by the idf and israeli leadership in the face of a

threat of a real attack from the north, from hezbollah, or a direct attack from iran. >> as fighting grinds to a halt on israel's southern front, negotiators met monday in cairo, egypt to hammer out the details of a cease-fire proposal. teams from israel, the united states and hamas all vying for an agreement that could end the conflict, unlike past negotiations that aimed for a temporary pause. hamas claims no progress was made in the talks but the meetings are seen as a last ditch effort to avert an israeli operation into rafah and rescue the remaining as tages. ring hostages. look north to lebanon where this morning a hezbollah field commander was killed in israeli airstrike. >> t this is not -- we are in a multi arena war. there is no reason for panic but also no place for complacency, we must be aware of the situation and always prepared.

>> israel is now faced with a multi front conflict that could escalate further if iran gets directly involved. bret? >> bret: trey, thank you. let's bring in fox news chief political analyst brit hume. brit, good evening. your thoughts about where the situation stands with the israel-hamas war and the administration's reaction to it. >> well, we see in trey yingst's report tonight the threat of a wider war. deeper involvement by iran. involvement by the hezbollah and lebanon and israeli -- the israelis could end up fighting on two or even three fronts. this is disturbing. and alarming and meanwhile, of course, we have the continuing situation in eastern europe. and one sense is that we could be looking at the kind of drift toward war that has often been seen in the past fryer major

world outbreaks. it's something everyone wants to avoid. the fastest way to avoid the problem or to deal with the problem, including civilian casualties and the rest of it in israel is for israel to go ahead and finish the job it set out to do, which it set out to do with full blown american support. it continues to enjoy american support in the form of material, but the biden administration has largely begun to criticize israel and has withdrawn its rhetorical support. one wonders what the rest of the world thinks of that. >> bret: there are headlines on the sidelines of this. some of them here. politico, democrats fear netanyahu may have undermined biden's image among voters. daily beast, jerry nadler a congressman booed at hostage rally for backing humanitarian aid to gaza. bbc germany faces genocide case over israel's weapons sale. it really is amazing how things have shifted since october 7th. >> brit: it certainly has, brett.

the longer it goes on, not only will the problems i outlined a minute ago persist, but the political problems for people who have supported israel and are now finding constituents turning against them will persist as well. the best outcome is for israel to rapidly finish the job, get this war over with. wars do excite passions on all sides. and can be very destructive to political standing no matter where you are in these things. and the united states, i think, overwhelmingly the people of the united states support israel and would be pleased to see israel finish the job and put hamas completely out of business. all these other ideas in between with cease-fires and so on, leave the job undone. and the job undone probably won't do because, you know, there is no reason to think that hamas wouldn't continue to be just as terroristic has it has always been if it survives. >> bret: quickly, you mentioned

ukraine. now there is this moment on capitol hill about funding. speaker mike johnson, the "wall street journal" editorial board, mike johnson's ukraine moment has been dispiriting to see how quickly some on the right have derided the conserving, mr. johnson as a swamp sell out on ukraine. it's easier to shout from the cheap seats than to govern which mr. johnson is obliged to do. the particulars of the bill will be forgotten within weeks what america's allies and adversaries will remember whether it cuts and runs on its friends in the fight. your thoughts? >> too much cutting and running, i think between, you know, you look at afghanistan, you look at now the beginning of the withdrawal of the support for israel, and now the situation with ukraine, yes, it's controversial and to some extent unpopular, this measure that is pending in the house has passed the senate, and is hanging by a threat in the house because of a tiny, a tiny little cod dry of back bench hard right members who are threatening to depose

the speaker in a very closely divided house they can do or they are in a position where they could do if he brings this measure up and he clearly supports it. he clearly wants to see it passed. but they are asking, you know, he is in a situation where his political career could end if he does it. it is a very undesirable situation for this country to be in. since we have been pulling the plug in various conflicts around the world and look, i think, to adversaries in places like beijing and moscow like weak frfriends and poor allies. it's a dangerous situation. >> bret: brit, as always, thank you. up next, the panel. jessica tarlov, bill mcgurn, kim strassel on abortion, politics, and student debt. ♪ ime jobs... lawyering and... liaming. count on me, mia. i'll file your taxes for you with 100% accuracy, guaranteed.

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>> now that we have abortion where everybody wanted it from a legal standpoint, the states will determine by vote or legislation or perhaps, both, and whatever they decide must be the law of the land. >> he's telling voters the truth. it's a false promise to the pro-life movement to tell them that they ever somehow going to have restrictions of abortion at the federal level. >> i think trump would have been better served saying 15 weeks is

my position and policy. i think this going to hurt him. >> the former president out with a video today on abortion saying it's up to states to determine that after roe v. wade was overturned two years ago from the right, his vice president mike pence tweets out president trump's retreat on the right to life is a slap in the face to the millions of pro-life americans who voted for him in 2016 and 2020. moan tin the meantime trump is scrambling since he is the one responsible for overturning roe the voters will hold him accountable in 2024. well, i have news for donald, they will. what about this stance and what lies next? let's bring in our panel. "the five" co-host jessica tarlov bill mcgurn columnist for the "wall street journal" and kimberley strassel member ever the editorial board at thee "wall street journal" as well. kimberly, first to you, your

thoughts on former president trump's announcement and what this means politically for him. >> yeah. i would argue that this was actually a shrewd decision and here is why. first of all, look, he has been taking credit for putting those justices on the court who came out with dobbs. so this completes the circle as it was because that fundamental part of that decision was saying, look, this is something that is probably going to have to be sorted out at the state at the political level. but it's also an acknowledgment that this has been hurting republicans in elections and a message to down ballot republicans. look, we are trying to neutralize this at the national level. you need to get your position straight at a state level and reflects the attitudes of your particular districts and states. stop looking to hide behind a national number because it's the state level where the initiatives are happening and where republicans have found themselves without answers. so, this is sort of a license for them to now go out, find their spot, and try to go on offense in terms of this issue.

>> bret: jessica, this is what the u.s.s. supreme court said essentially with roe is that it wasn't in the constitution; thereby it, fell to the 10th amendment that goes to the states to determine this. states are making decisions. and abortion will be on the ballot in a number of states already so far, could be more. but right now it is new york, maryland, and florida. most controversial, perhaps is, florida with a six week ban. your thoughts on where this stands? >> i think this issue has been incredibly enormous political loser for the republicans. donald trump is aware of that he can't stop the fact that it was he himself who set this in motion by appointing those justices that ended up taking away this right. and, of course, it was not enshrined in the constitution as abortion. it was a privacy decision. which is how it was 7-2 and there were conservatives that voted in favor of it. i remember well in ruth bader ginsburg said she thought it was improperly decided. the problem with leaving it up to the states is that the states have gone so much further than

the american population wants them to. and there are 24 states across the country that are not even allowing these ballot initiatives. if donald trump had gotten up there this morning and said somehow i hereby decree that every single state in america has to have a ballot initiative so that we can actually know what they think versus 12 random guys in the legislature, for instance or the texas supreme court, should note there is a very powerful biden campaign ad that just came out this afternoon about a young woman in texas, wanted pregnancy, miscarged at 1 weeks, could not get the care she needed. ended up in sepsis and doesn't know if she will be able to conceive again. the democrats are fully in the right here to be using these very real stories about women who want these pregnancies and we know that 60% of abortions are given to women who actually have had children before. facing catastrophic circumstances often. and donald trump is scrambling and now is he going to spend all night going after lindsey graham

for coming out there for the 15 week ban again. >> bret: right. and it's not just lindsey graham. you heard doug schoen there, bill, saying it may have been better to stake your ground and say that past that is extremist and that point is where many european countries are you look at fox poll abortion ranks among the issues extremely important to voters. economy, immigration, healthcare, and then abortion it didn't play as big in 2022 as big as it did but it really did. that and threat to democracy. >> hard row for pro-lifers post dobbs. i'm not as hopeful of the states as jessica is. i think alito had it right. there is two parts to the question. one is constitutional. how are we going to do this. and i think they decided in dobbs that was good.

the other is political. and i think what donald trump is doing is getting in the position to make his case that it's the democrats who are extreme. as you pointed out in 2016 in a debate hammered hillary for saying you wouldn't ban abortion up to the moment of birth. and she had no answer for him. i think he is gearing up to do that now. if you look at his whole statement he made a pretty forceful statement on what abortion is and where the democrats are. >> bret: yeah. la thing, kimberley, are these states now, some of them, regretting maybe going as far as they did on this issue and some of them dialing this back. florida clearly is not. >> yeah. i think they are certainly regretting those that haven't come up with a position. because look what we have seen out there in the elections and initiatives when the question

comes to voters and legislature hadn't already given them a position that they're often being overturned and, look, as this has gon initiative has note their way. you have to figure out your own way. you have to have an answer so you can go on offense like bill said and talk about which party is actually extreme on this. that's just going to be really important and, the other thing is, look, realistically, this is also honesty. republicans are not going to have 60 votes to get through a 15-week position through the senate he is also being straight with people. >> jessica: can i add he very quickly? >> very quickly. >> people are not having the abortions in the eighth and ninth month unless there are catastrophic medical circumstances. that's a fallacy that the right is trying to push about democrats and what democrats are saying is that this is a

decision between you and your doctor to make sure that you can have a safe delivery and a viable child if you are that far along in your pregnancy. the numbers don't support that kind of argument and there are harrowing stories when a woman has to have an abortion somewhere close to the end of the ninth month level for instance. >> bret: understood, there should be support for no late term abortion legislation across the board nonpartisan. >> well, but the issue there is that could take away the rights of doctors and the woman who is carrying the fetus to make a decision that's best for her health if she is in a state that has a ban on late te. >> bret: again, we could go around and around here, jessica. exceptions like the mother health. a lot of exceptions. this severe would. is where we are.we are going to.

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that are not challengeable. >> by dictate what he is really doing is shedding the constitution. he changed his method of loan forgiveness in the latest plan but, you know, the same legal principles that make it unconstitutional still apply. he is transferring billions of debt from borrowers to taxpayers. and under the constitution, only congress has the power to do that. >> bret: well, student loan debt forgiveness back on the table with the president. it is an election year. the white house saying the outline for the new plans to deliver student debt relief. entered repayment over 20 years ago, enrolled in low financial value programs and experiencing hardship repaying the loan. politically, back with the panel now, kimberly, is this a winner

for president biden? >> you know what it is? it is incredibly sib kel, bret. it's amazing the supreme court said you can't do it under this one statute. and then they come around and go okay we are going to do it under this one instead. what that misses is the supreme court said this is a major question, either way. no matter how you want to go about getting rid of this debt. and it has to be decided by congress. so think about what they are doing here. they are essentially saying we are going to jam through these rules at the last minute as we are coming up to an election and see if you, the supreme court, can do anything about it before we have received some sort of political benefit by election day. it's antithetical to the rule of law and really i mean, just an absolutely obnoxious step for this white house. >> bret: we understand, jessica, how it works perhaps to get young people engaged. but what about folks who have paid off their college debts and they worked really hard to do that? >> i do understand that perspective and i have never been someone who is in favor of

wholesale student loan debt forgiveness. but i think that's part of the genius of the way that president biden and his administration is going about this. they have looked at the polling about 60% of americans think that some or part of student debt should be forgiven. and they are targeting people, mostly lower and middle class who have been doing things like paying off their debt for 20 years or only owe $10,000 and it would absolutely change their lives if that were to be able to be forgiven. a lot more palatable to the american people. i think that a majority of us can sympathize with that rather than someone let's say who is earning $500,000 a year but has a huge chunk of debt to be forgiven. it doesn't seem like the middle ground approach. and is he taking legal avenues at this point to do it. >> bret: bill? >> bill: yeah. it's a middle ground approach between the constitution doing what's wrong. i think this whole thing can be explained. if you look at the fox poll, i think last week, joe biden was

18 points behind in the under 30 demographic in the fox news poll. that's what he is worried about. and just old fashioned trying to buy the votes for the election. and as kim points out, just ignores the supreme court, finds another way. and he figures by the time the court catches up to him, either be done or he will have gotten the political benefit. >> bret: yeah. meantime, big haul for the trump campaign said it raised record 50.5 million at a florida fundraiser on saturday night. panel, thanks so much. >> thanks, brett. >> bret: finally tonight, today's throwback. ♪ ♪ >> bret: today's throwback. take a listen. >> that ball is going to be out of here. it's gone! it's 7:15. there's a new home run champion of all time and it's henry

aaron. >> bret: 50 years ago today legendary hank aaron hit 715th home run to become the all-time leader. the blast broke babe ruth's record which he set in 1935. aaron's eventual career mark of 755 was broken in 2007 by barry bonds although many fans still consider aaron the true home run king, all in. tomorrow on "special report" we will talk to retired general jack keane about the fighting in israel. if you can't catch us live set your dvr. thanks for inviting us into your home tonight. that's it for this "special report" fair, balanced and still unafraid. "the ingraham angle" starts now. ♪ >> laura: good evening, everyone. i'm laura ingraham. this is "the ingraham angle" from washington tonight. democrats' death to america. that's the focus of tonight's angle. ♪ >> laura: now, we heard for the longest time during the obama er