>> out of time. thank you roseann. [ inaudible ] >> trace: good evening i'm trace gallagher life in los angeles just a few blocks ease from where nicole brown simpson and ron goldman were brutally murdered 30 years ago are just a few blocks west of where 95 million people watched a white ford bronco make its way slowly down the 405 freeway and

where a football hero turned accused killer put on a glove that did not fit and found a jury that did acquit. tonight we ask where were you on that october day when o.j. simpson was found not guilty in the trial of the century. it's 11:00 pm on the east coast, 8:00 here in los angeles and this is america's late news, fox news at night. breaking tonight, one of the most famous and infamous americans ever, o.j. simpson, dead tonight at the age of 76 after a battle with cancer. live with more on the death that gripped the nation. good evening. >> good evening trace. o.j. simpson rocking headlines one last time with his family announcing the former celebrity athlete and infamous household name has died prompting them... of where we were when we first heard this. >> we the jury find the defendant not guilty of the

crime of murder in violation of penal code section 187 a. of felony upon nicole brown simpson, a human being... >> once a football hall of fame roman -- running back with endorsement deals and hollywood cameos,'s all-american image was quickly overshadowed by a legacy he could never run from. a suspected murderer, is highly charged trial is seen by over 100 million americans following his now infamous white ford bronco car chase and he was acquitted in the brutal stabbings of his ex-wife nicole brown simpson and her friend ron goldman following a dream team defence attacking the los angeles police department for racially motivated corruption. a couple years later he was found civilly liable when the families pursued a wrongful death lawsuit. he was ordered to pay more than $30 million in damages, most of

which was never paid despite a generous nfl pension and his book if i did it. it was a las vegas armed robbery and kidnapping case in which he claimed he was just trying to retrieve his own stolen football memorabilia that scent simpson to prison in nine years in 2008. he was paroled into thousand 17 where he continued to put himself out there. >> i want to say thank you to all the people who reached out to me. my health is good. i'm dealing with some issues but i'm just about over it. all be back on that golf course hopefully in a couple of weeks. >> reporter: that video of course posted just a couple of months ago. the family of o.j. simpson saying that their father and grandfather lost his battle with prostate cancer. he was surrounded by loved ones and he was 76 years old. >> trace: we are back to you in moments.

live for us in new york. meantime the fox commonsense department was initially mesmerized by o.j. simpson, his playing days that led to a heisman trophy were magic. his playing days and the pros double the magic. and we learned not only was he a superb athlete, he was funny, and starring in those goofy naked gun movies. he was also charming, weather was in the broadcast booth on monday night football selling orange juice or running through airports. and than in june 1994, he was suddenly accused of being jack the ripper, americas hero became the country's villain. or did he? when oj jumped into a white bronco taking 95 million of us for a slow ride down the 405, people stood and cheered. prosecutors laid out conclusive evidence including a trail of blood and a jury acquitted. commonsense remembers remembers

seeing oj at a boxing event in the late 1990s surrounded by people clamouring for an autograph. even in death, npr wrote football great has died. did they not read the rest of the bio? the new york times obituary said the murder trial ruin his world. what about nicole simpson's world? ron goldman's world? it's true jury said he was not a killer. common sense knows better. wallace went to oj as a great athlete, let's not forget he was also a very bad man. let's bring in an attorney who worked for johnny cochrane's law firm and a loyola law professor who cover the trial with us a long time ago. longtime friend of fox news, welcomes all of you are to first, it's not hyperbole. welcome back, it's great to see you after a long time. not hyperbole to say this case

changed everything including the cases how they were tried, how they were covered. it really did change the landscape. >> a prosecutor suddenly discovered they were not able to convict because they didn't have scientific evidence. one of the reasons why the jury convicted in this case, it was a very early case using dna. you wouldn't get the same result today. today the jurors would hear the evidence, they would accept, back then and i had tried cases for a decade, it's about the first case i ever seen which they were trying to use dna evidence and it didn't quite work with the jury. they were willing to accept the idea it was flawed. >> trace: that was the whole thing. we were being educated about a lot of this stuff. cameras in the courtroom and you name it. one of the famous parts of the trial is johnny cochrane saying the glove doesn't fit, years that moment. >> if you look at o.j. simpson over there and he has a rather large hand, o.j. simpson in a

knit cap from two blocks away is still o.j. simpson. it's no disguise, it's no disguise. it makes no sense. it doesn't fit. if it doesn't fit you must acquit. >> he had a strategy and listen it worked for all intents and purposes. >> it worked great, regardless of what you think of him, the strategy resonated with the jury he took the focus essentially off of o.j. simpson and put the lapd on trial. he throughout allegations of racism, throughout allegations of police misconduct. the police were planting evidence. let's not forget the testimony of detective herman. he perjured himself on the stand , said he never used the n. word and on the heels of rodney king it was not surprising that there was a double acquittal in this case. he was a master trial attorney trace.

>> trace: one of the prosecutors clearly was always a bit frustrated she had his interview she gave back in 2016 and said the following. >> that trial was a nightmare for me every single day. the impact of race on the case, the impact of celebrity on the case. and surprisingly the sexism that no one talked about back then. >> you worked for court tv, you know. this thing lifted court tv and the rest of legal television and this was kind of an issue of forces colliding. >> absolutely. arguably the o.j. simpson trial launched court tv into the iconic brand it was and still is today covering trials. this was the first celebrity trial with a camera in the courtroom. millions of americans all over could zoom in and watch it. they could see every piece of evidence unfold so they could make their own opinions and decisions about the outcome

which is why it was so shocking and of course here we are today with still cameras in the courtroom. it started it all. >> every time we would go in cover at trial that didn't have cameras in the courtroom we say how are we going to do this. we have them bring out information just like in the old days? they had this to say, watch. >> it was a very dramatic time in american history. the country was divided along racial lines and the evidence was divided. there was overwhelming evidence that might suggest that he did it and there was one piece of evidence that was tampered with. the jury concluded that a very important piece of evidence was tampered with by the government and that's the reason they acquitted. >> trace: some of the jurors tell him to come out and they say this wasn't about justice. it was about payback. rodney king had just happened a year before that. so there were a lot of emotions that were still bubbling up in

this case. >> the prosecution made a mistake i think by trying to edit the jury after the fact so that they were kicking people off the jury who they thought were pro- defence. the reality was the judge decided to be fair, he would have to grant motions to do the same thing. but the time you got to the end, he'd probably taken off anybody on the jury who had strong personality and therefore you ended up with the jury easily swayed by a couple of people who probably wanted this as an acquittal. >> trace: it's interesting because when you talk about the acquittal, you look at the evidence and it was overwhelming. i said in common sense that it really was a trail of blood from bundy to rocking ham and they followed it all the way there. yet they really did create some doubt when the jury... >> all you need to do as a defence attorney is raise reasonable doubt and i think that was very easy to do in

light of the composition of the jury, the context of what was going on in the community at the time and the brilliance really of the dream team. he had o.j. simpson enough money to hire the best experts, the best defence attorneys. this was not something a typical defendant in a criminal case can do. i think to the extent that we only need to prove reasonable doubt, you get an acquittal in the case. >> trace: i think when you look at this in the totality of it, you see and look back to all these years later, do you see that things have changed or did change, never went back to the old way. >> absolutely. this child -- trial changed everything. it was the trial of the century and it formed how we watched trials, how we consume true crime nowadays in this case. for o.j. simpson in this case i think we need to mention the victim's family. they are still suffering from this acquittal and they firmly

believe that he is the sole person responsible for their murders. they did win some money in that civil lawsuit trace but have yet to be paid. it's unclear how they are going to continued to be paid now that he has past away. los angeles times says he owes ... including interest now. this still continues today. >> they are trying to go after the estate but it doesn't look like it's going to happen. thank you all. meantime it is no surprise that reaction to o.j. simpson's death is very greatly depending on who is weighing in. she is live with that side of the story, good evening. >> reaction pouring into night following the death of o.j. simpson, a football hero who fell from grace after he was accused of stabbing his ex-wife and her friend ron goldman to death. >> when someone like this pass is my only thought is i hope it

gives some peace to the family of the victims. they did when the civil suit after-the-fact because i think it was a miscarriage of justice but that doesn't make up for it so i hope it helps them to find some peace. >> they were staying in a guesthouse on the simpson's estate the night that goldman and simpson were killed. here is his reaction to news that oj has died. >> on his deathbed, i don't know if he set a penance or not but i really believe he is guilty and if he made peace with god or not >> also tonight, in -- espn start stephen a smith reacted noting that division at the time. the trial started in 1994, just a few years after the rodney king race riots in los angeles. >> he's a double murder in the eyes of most people in this country. but it was more important to focus at the time to indict the lapd.

>> that is the opinion of some people. ron goldman's family also reacting on x. saying the news of ron's killer passing away is a mixed bag of complicated emotions and reminds us that the journey through grief is not linear for three decades we tirelessly pursue justice for ron and nicole and despite a civil judgement and his confession and if i did it, the hope for true accountability has ended. goldman's family also said they will continue to advocate for the rights of all victims and survivors, ensuring their voices are heard both within and beyond the courtroom. >> trace: very rough time for that family. christina coleman lie for us. thank you. before he was tried and acquitted, he had legendary college and professional football careers and went on to become a popular actor in movies. hitrademark hurts tv commercials. the senior national correspondent kevin corke who also covered sports for many years is live with more on the legacy of oj. good evening.

>> great lead-in trace and evening to you. as you know for millions of americans, he was much more than just the murderer or the chase or even the verdict. for a period of time his popularity in this country and perhaps even globally was unparalleled. heisman trophy over in southern cal, the nfl's first 2000-yard man. the face of the league in many ways and of course that culminated in the coveted hall of fame gold jacket. then of course there was also the pop-culture. running through airports and even gracing the big screen. >> there's someone else here who wants to thank you. >> how are you buddy? >> back on the force. >> wonderful. >> more reaction pouring into night including this, rip nordberg.

that was the name of his character in the film. his acting was a lot like his murdering, he got away with it but no one believed him. how about this from the hall of fame itself, o.j. simpson was the first player to reach a rushing mark many thought could not be obtained in a 14 game season, winning top 2000 yards. 's on-field contributions will be preserved in the halls archives in canton ohio. when he retired the juice as he was family -- famously known had five nfl records to his credit and most to hundred yard games. his hall of fame career will no doubt be marred by the memory of what happened and what happened to the country thereafter. >> trace: let's bring in former abc correspondent... who cover the trial along with kevin. it's great to have you on the show.

you look at the chase and the verdict, these things had super bowl sized audiences. he really changed the face of television news. >> starting with the slow speed chase which lvanized americans. it went on for an hour and o.j. simpson holding a gun to his head driving on the 405 north. the police clearing the freeways, making room for his car. nobody knew where he was going. he had written some notes and people thought he was -- people thought he was going to kill himself because he refused to surrender to police on the day he was supposed to. there he was with his friend driving in the bronco. it was the most traumatic thing that occurred in this country for many years. >> trace: it really was. it's interesting kevin because you look back and you play a little bit of this in your piece with oj on the naked gun. i want to play a quick clip of this.

>> [ inaudible ] >> trace: you throw that altogether with the hurts commercials and monday night football stop and you hear him do interviews and stuff. the reason that 95 million people watched the bronco chase and millions of people watched the verdict was because he was charming, he was captivating and everybody thought you could not write this. >> he was about as popular i think in that time period as you can get. even many years after, he played the game and appeared in films and on tv, he was incredibly popular as you pointed out. very interesting side note, i was driving up to estes park to the great stanley hotel to watch a friend saying on the day of the chase. i mentioned that because it's one thing to watch it live on

television, it's something altogether different to listen to it being narrated and in my case i was listening to abc radio and it was being narrated by... >> trace: gym gray had this to say. i will get your response. >> he was one of those guys that had this magnetism that attracted everybody to him. he had a big smile, a tremendous career in commercials and running through airports. he was an icon in football. >> trace: magnetic guy suddenly being accused of this jack the ripper type crime. >> the outpouring of affection and love for him during that low speed chase, there were people in the overpass is waiting and cheering. there were carrying signs of free the juice. the crowds are being restrained by police and people were crying saying free the juice. he was not only an icon, he was

a true american hero. really carved out a unique position in our psyche. >> trace: i covered all three trials. kevin you did the whole concept here. it changed the face of what we do today. >> our fascination as a culture with not just legal drama, real-life dramas, but even crime and mysteries. that has changed so dramatically in the years since. i will never forget that day and i think the country never will either. >> trace: i think you are right on that. thank you both. new polling once again shows key voting blocs to -- moving toward former president trump. we break down the numbers as we get into politics on the other side. later in the night, o.j. simpson's passing has people reflecting on his life and tainted legacy. captivating topic of conversation once more gripping

the nation, where were you when he was found not guilty in the trial of the century or where were you for the infamous bronco car chase. what do you know, what you remember? we will read the best responses in the nightcap. meantime 8:20 on the west coast, here's a trip across america. roseburg organic. did you know that tater tots were invented in oregon? next to augusta georgia where the 88th edition of the masters underway today. finally alive look at tampa florida, home to the world's longest continuous sidewalk at 4.5 miles. if you cannot join us live, don't forget to set your dvr and watch us any time. next we will show you why rural voters are migrating toward conservatives.

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>> trace: new evidence tonight that traditionally democratic voting blocs are looking to former president trump overbite into handle america's economic and immigration crises. back life to the senior correspondent kevin corke. >> the biden campaign is keenly aware of the president's shortcomings. to be frank, his critics are arguing every single day pretty much that his bigger is questionable. 's economic policies have hurt the working poor and middle-class and his border policies they argue have not only destabilized national security, they've in fact increased worker competition for many groups who generally have overwhelmingly supported democrats and him specifically for years ago. that's especially so for latino voters. at least according to the latest

survey which found that latinos believe president biden is underwater when it comes to a competition between him and former president trump. forty-two to 20. how about latinos who wonder who's better on immigration? 7 percent more than say former president trump. how about who's better for crime and public safety? no question. thirty-one to 20 again for the former president. the current occupant of... you would think everything is just fine. at least one compared to the possible alternative. you see biden says he stands for what latinos stand for, not trump. >> look at the way he talks about latinos. talks about them as rapists and criminals, murderers. he talks about how -- look. there's not a fundamental difference in the value set between irish catholic

neighbours i grew up with an latinos. it's about faith, family, togetherness, having each other's back. >> biden did score higher marks than the former president on some issues including abortion and handling democracy. it remains to be seen if those issues will trump the others come november. >> trace: still have a while to go. live for us in dc, thank you. let's bring scarlett mcguire, great to have you on. i'm fascinated by this paul. i want to put this up on the screen because the question is latinos who support shutting the borders if too many migrants try to enter, 64 percent is a big number. when you lose latinos and you're talking about the border, it's a damaging issue for biden and his campaign. what do you think? >> this is something we've seen consistently over -- especially over the last few months, the border is an increasing headache

for biden. these issues are important to all voters were godless of their ethnicity and it's not just white voters that are concerned about the border. we saw in that clip that biden is keen to talk about trump's language when it comes to immigrants and immigration. i think what voters is care about is action rather then language. >> trace: here's a poll from north carolina talking about the economy and the favourite issues you look over there the economy, 14-point lead for trump. immigration you have a 12-point lead for trump. world conflicts which really right now is hotter than it's ever been. a six-point lead for trump. in north carolina and you think that's where you really need to narrow that gap to make north carolina closer than it should be. >> absolutely. north carolina is one of the handful of states that will decide the next election. the only one that went trump in 2020. biden needs to be doing well here. at the moment he's not.

it explains why trump is ahead. voters at the moment seam to trust more -- trust trump more on key issues that matter to them. >> you see former president trump when he's campaigning he has that empty podium and he's constantly taunting the president to debate him. the question was asked by fox news polling. trump verse by don't on how important is the debate. you see extremely varied, all voters say 64 percent yes, they should debate. it really is -- if the other poll that says if you don't debate it's a weakness. it's forcing both of them into the ring. >> absolutely. debate is important for voters and it's important to biden's voters as well as trump's voters. i think it's especially important when people are concerned about his age. they want to see him demonstrate that he can cope with that sort of thing and is able to conduct himself. we just did a poll that found four in ten voters don't even

expect biden to be alive by the end of the second term. he's really going to need to debate to allay those fears. >> trace: i wonder when you do polling like this, do you think that -- the networks are pushing for this as well. the question is is it one debate? will we get one big debate or do you think we might get a couple, maybe three debates before november? >> i think at the moment that will hinge on what biden's team agrees to do. there's no doubt at the moment that it looks like debate would favour president trump unless biden can pull something quite dramatic out of the back that we've not really seen from him over the last few months. i feel like at the moment that rests with the white house. >> trace: great to see was always, thank you for coming on. let's talk now about how rural voters are moving toward the gop with boise idaho resident and former news anchor, may be the best in the country, my former colleague and it's great to have you on. i want to get your take on this

because when o.j. simpson, when the case came around i think i was gone from boise for maybe a year or a year and a half. you were anchoring a couple of shows a day than. how much impact did that trial if you look back and that entire case have on the direction and the tone and the tenor of television news? >> i've said very often that desert storm a few years prior created this insatiable desire for live tv. that o.j. simpson trial fuelled that fire. if you could go wall-to-wall life without much drama and that much infusion of emotion, it took over. we were wall-to-wall with it. nbc affiliate. all the mainstream media were taking it pretty much wall-to-wall and so are we. we sat there and watched it and then of course did all the local spins that we could on how people were reacting.

as it progressed it became very divisive. >> even as journalist you are covering this and you are just fascinated. you are so compelled by what was happening inside the courtroom that it was really amazing to cover. moving onto politics which is why about you on. here's the poll. it says the following, and changing partisan coalitions in a politically divided nation's going on to say into thousand eight when barack obama sought his first term of -- as president, voters were split in their partisan loyalties. today republicans will the 25 percentage advantage over rural residents. i wonder why the big swing? is it the bashing, the deplorable talk or just the agenda of the left that's not that appealing? what you make of this? >> i think it's pragmatism. i think people that live in rural america, i know the people live in rural idaho and i can't speak for all of them but after

covering there for 40 years, people that live in rural areas have to live practically and they look at things that way. they look at things for example if it didn't work, you fix it. you can't keep making the same mistakes over and over again and survive in rural america. i think the things that you talked about earlier today when you talk about our national debt i think it's a big concern for people i talked to hear. the ct that we know from history you cannot continue to do that and not have major repercusons. and immigration, another field of concern for the people that i was talking to today when i was visiting with some of my friends on social media. they are concerned about the things we keep doing and not learning from because that's not the way it works in real lives. >> i want to play this quickly and get your final response. this is some of the montage, the media politicians bashing some of those who live in rural areas. you know, the deplorable's. watch.

>> you could put half of trump supporters in what i call the basket of deplorable's. >> they want to think that donald trump is a smart one. >> you elitists with your geography and maps and spelling. >> maybe there needs to be a formal deprogramming of the cult members. something needs to happen. >> trace: i think the laughing starts to and as we get closer to november. it's interesting i talked to some of these voters. i don't care what they call me, i care what they do for me and they've done nothing. your final thoughts. >> that's exactly it. i was thinking about the deplorable's earlier today. i will call them the pragmatic goals. they don't want to be put in the box of trump supporters. here hashmak we are hearing from the people who are saying we are

for making this country work again and starting to have some sense that we are headed in the right direction. >> trace: a little common sense. great to see you always. we appreciate you coming on. coming up, how bad is the california crime crisis. public librarians are pleading for added security because they are tired of handling potentially dangerous situations that can turn violent all by themselves. all so still ahead, one man went to extremes to make sure he had the best view of the eclipse and his horse decided he wanted to take the midnight train going anywhere. the best viral videos are next.

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my name is dana bellefeuille, and my husband and i own the village bakery located in hayden, idaho. our mission is to employ people with different abilities. tiktok is allowing us to show what acceptance looks like on a day-to-day basis, here at the bakery. this is a community of just complete and utter love. it's the people that lift you up when you're down. people on tiktok do that on a daily basis, and i've never found a community like that, ever. >> trace: this headline caught our eye. san francisco librarians beg for security as to crime takes over. even librarians are scared to go to work because of california's crime crisis. sheriff we brought you want to

talk about crime in california but i want to get your take on the o.j. simpson death today. and i know you've been in law enforcement for quite some time. how did this trial that was here in los angeles, how did it change law enforcement in your opinion? >> setting the prosecution aspect aside, you look at the law enforcement side and a domestic violence in the old days, you had a dispute, you separated the parties, you told one party to balance and later on... now after oj, you had to make a mandatory arrest if there were signs of physical trauma. you had to take report even if it was a dispute that was verbal. then if someone showed up in a hospital with injuries where the nursing staff or the doctors believe it was as a result of domestic violence they had to report to local law enforcement. all these things working to make it allegedly safer for victims of domestic violence. >> now they are backing off of that stuff.

>> they are rolling it back in california. not in other states but here in california. >> trace: being victim it's the wrong side. moving on because this video of public library staff they are rallying if you can put this up. librarians, can you imagine, out and picketing because they want security. the san francisco chronicle says the following. scared to death. as have librarians call for security guards at every branch. as officials struggle to get a grip on the crises, librarians at city issues are spilling into their workplaces, forcing them to intervene in difficult situations without adequate protections. i was telling you, we have guest on the show that will not drop their kids off at libraries anymore because it's not safe. >> public space has been invaded by the homeless population and that interface has conflict. there's conflict where there is an absence of law enforcement and who is left standing all by

themselves? the poor librarian they are well-versed in where the books go but when you have some deranged psycho throwing things around, that is really a big problem. >> a lot of times it's not even the fact that you are afraid that you were going to go in there and there's going to be a criminal, there's a whole perception of having homeless people walk back and forth. you think that maybe something could happen so that's a lot of the fear of the librarians. >> they are buy themselves in this large building with so much hidden spaces, indefensible spaces, so to speak, and i put them in jeopardy. >> trace: the wall street journal writes the following, homeless folly, california has spent 24 billion to combat homelessness over the last five years and what did i get for its money? more homelessness according to a new state audit that should embarrass sacramento and infuriate taxpayers. $24 billion, they have no idea

where this money went and you had newsom and his team wanting to fight this audit because they knew they had no idea where the money went. homelessness is up 31 percent. >> they were also telling voters vote for proposition one because we want 6.4 billion more to throw down the same path of the other 24 that we don't know were that money went. talk about insanity and we do it over and over again. is somehow we expect a different result. >> there's no consequence. it's not like someone's going to knock on the door... there's no recourse for the california citizens. >> when you have a deep blue one-party state, they cover all bases and they c can really -- there's a buffer between them and being held accountable for their really bad policy decisions. >> trace: gratis he was always, thank you. first into ninth viral videos, we've seen people do crazy things to get a good view of the solar clips but check

this out. he decided to opt for a little daredevil view. he climbed a radio tower to get his view and got to admit, pretty cool video. not exactly your everyday commuter. this is sydney australia and this man was caught horsing around a train station late friday night. the lone horse didn't really stir up much trouble but the premier of new south wales put out the statement quoting here didn't realize i needed to say but horses are not allowed on the trains. if you have a viral video to share, share with us. here we go, oj simpson past away at the age of 76. we want to know where were you during the famous slow white bronco chase and the verdict. let us know on ask and instagram and we will be the best responses in the nightcap. pack at your pace.

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>> trace: we're back with the nightcap crew. tonight's topic, throwback thursday, a captivating question once more gripping the nation after oj simpson's death. where were you when he was found

not guilty in the trial of the century or where were you in the infamous bronco car chase. what you remember about it? >> i was ten years old. i was in the living room and i kept thinking mommy this car goes for so long, the gas. how can it drive for so long. i remember i wanted a white bronco. >> trace: weird because i was outside covering the courthouse at 13. >> i was working patrol in east la. if you are running from the cops you assume that the guilty person running away. we got messages on the radio and on our computers do not get involved. >> trace: and you didn't. >> we didn't. >> trace: kevin corke. >> when the verdict came in i was actually at home with my brother michael and i bet him that he would be found guilty and i lost.

>> i also was only ten years old but i grew up in a home where the news was on 24/7 so i remember watching the bronco chase. i remember the verdict, i remember it everyone being surprised by the verdict. you couldn't look away. it was the ultimate reality show back then before they were a thing. >> scarlett mcguire. >> i remember when i was becoming conscious of it more when it was still unfolding that it seemed like something that america was telling -- tearing itself apart, something a brit couldn't understand. >> trace: that's everybody. here we go, we asked social media do you remember where you were? is steve hilton. >> how could you forget. obviously i was ten years old as well as the time. i had the most... i was in hong kong working, barely paying attention. the thing i really want to do

was watch the chase as if it was live. if there were some way of getting the tape and watching it now i would love to do that. >> trace: when i woke from anaesthesia my question was is he guilty. watching it live on tv it was so central in my home that my son named his black multi- fish johnny cochrane. everyone huddled around the television in the restaurant to watch. i was in labour with my third child, we were awaiting the sun to be might -- my son to be born and the verdict to drop. we will see you back here friday night.

[♪♪] [♪♪] hello everyone, i'mer dana perinino along with judge jeanine pirro, jesse watters, greg gutfeld. 5:00 in new york city and this is "the 5".