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under way former president trump new york criminal trial on the stand right now executive director of archives. we are also learning that the court's decision on the gag order violation, the judge actually to throw him in jail. we will have a live report this hour. but first we are waiting to see what happens next at columbia university. anti-israel agitators now occupy a building on campus that happened last night. the mob took over hamilton hall. around 1:00 a.m. smashing glass, barricading doors, and raising the depositor and flat. even keeping a few workers at the university barricaded for short time. they had a band of but this >> we are getting a new reaction. this is "outnumbered." here with michael ojo's harris

faulkner and emily compagno. also joining us -- we are so excited to happen. cohosts of the five and arthur f get it together, jesse watters. first he is like a columbia university -- >> good afternoon everyone, we saw four protesters and here's the building that has been occupy for going on 12 hours they unfurled a brand-new banner and a says glory to the martyrs and that is not like next to the other vendor that has been here since 4:00 in the morning that says free palestine, that is hamilton hall, home to undergraduate admissions and it is the building that has been occupied purportedly by dozens of the student protesters since about 12:30 this morning. a few moments ago, so one representing those student

protesters present many a student protest to herself, came out and spoke to some of the media and this is where she had to say listen to this. >> is up to the individual discretion of students nobody's being forced to remain or protet they are here because of their own personal heartfelt commitment to the palestinian cause. and to wish of divestment, that being said it would be incredibly shortsighted of the university to expel a huge number of its students considering how much this matter has on campus. i strongly believe it will galvanize the rest of the campus community to have their peers here with them as well. >> remember all of this happen after the 2:00 p.m. deadline expired yesterday, they began suspending students and then you have one of those spokespeople for the student protesters saying if you expel us it is going to make things even worse, they did say they are open to continue negotiations about their three main things they want which is divestment of

israeli company and transparency about the companies and they want amnesty so they are not punished for doing what they've done of the last 12 hours of barricaded themselves in the building and continuing the encampment. that is a blue tent over here, has limited access into the main campus of columbia university during final exam time, only to those are accenture personnel or who live on campus are allowed in right now. students are being denied and we spoke to one of the students that was denied entry earlier today and this. >> no i do not want to see nypd coming here. been very cono see the amount of guns and armor around the campus and i am not happy right now, anytime you see the police -- >> even though you're trying to eat and trying to study you do not want the police breaking up what's going on? >> i am developing these type of answers to these type of questions over breakfast so chat with me later now tell you how i feel.

>> the nypd just wept up a second press conference in there waiting for columbia university >> we have not heard about what they're going to do next the only thing they sent out is that campus alert telling everybody there is now limited access to the main campus at this university during a pivotal time, finals, for the students. >> kayleigh: brian, unbelievable thank you very much. i want to focus on the white house response to this and talk a little bit about cause and effect and what i surmise is the cause and effect goods listen to the former president talk about this in the white house responses into this. >> the biden protest that are going on -- he has to get out of make a statement because

colleges are being overrun this country. >> kayleigh: very trump saying biden should put out a statement and then minutes later we do not get a statement from the commander in chief but from the deputy president saying that he has stood against violent rhetoric say entire life that he would damage the use as he has the other tragic and dangerous hate speech display he condemns the takeover of buildings. so former president asked and then here's the response. >> jesse: when he was frolicking in the woods on earth day, he was asked about this and he said i have a program to do with it. do you know what it is? how you ever heard of that anti-semitism program, i have never heard of it is news to me. you look at what is happening and i say this is a father of four kids with affection, criminals and children have a lot in common. if you want a household with no

bedtime and they can eat whatever you want to talk back to you however you want, it is going to be a bad day. if every threat is met with the empty threat. same thing with criminals, block on a chair with no bail and do whatever you want if you are a undocumented person. that's what happened in colombia yesterday, they had a deadline, the deadline was 2:00. what happen afterwards? nothing. so what they have done now if they have ceased developing and it would've been much easier to disrupt the little collection on the quad. but you can't go into a building or lace cheese. they have running water and a bathroom and they know the entrance and exit points and it's going to get much trickier. a lot of the faculty love it because they cut their teeth and the vietnam era, but that was a peace movement. ellis about making love a network, this is about making war.

and so, you have to just buckle down and say no and say get it together and you can't just let let these redline get blown up. >> emily: the university of florida, very proud of their response listen to this, this is not complicated. the university of florida is not a day care, we do not treat protesters like children they knew the rules and they broke the rules and they will face the consequences today, individuals who refuse to comply were arrested after multiple warnings that is how you handle this. >> harris: evening yale university got it together, last hour we had the dash she said that the cut had dissipated a st time ago and now it is gone. because consequences. they said that they would arrest and they did and they said they would suspend and rather than face the consequences, most of them just simply walked away. we saw a few people and twist ties. so it is interesting.

and jesse, you're asking about the program, but these are his words it would be for the people who misunderstand what is happening with the palestinians. he created a whole new group of people of the and misunderstanding. the jewish people who are being hated flag carrying screaming is radical to hell and et cetera. my big question is, how many of these people are being paid to be there? when they left the encampment yesterday five to 2:00 they missed the deadline by a mile, but they did not take that chane with them so who is sitting at the tents? who is taking them down? and they are nice. people told me some of them of the best, and said they have places where you can put your stuff, and it's a little apartment and died there and the to stay for a while who is paying for all this? i want to know this because if it's gonna pop up everywhere it's gonna pop up everywhere. it will just be campuses.

>> kennedy: to that end, john kirby said -- essentially asking for evidence if their outside agitators but he had not seen any but i would give some evidence to mr. kirby aggregated from various states and governors and elected officials including right here, let's provide this evidence mr. kirby. >> they talked about nonstudent participants and they talked about outside agitators. northeastern university said they were infiltrated by professional organizers with no affiliation and university of texas significant participation by outside groups and university of florida and outside agitators and we have all of the evidence for our viewers so let's put that on please. >> the only people who don't see that this is being organized by outside agitator is the president and his myopic existence in the mainstream media who apologizes for these pro-hamas sympathizers.

the reason why nobody's doing anything is that number one there is no teeth behind the attempt -- but we saw it back in seattle where if you all recalled that protesters occupied a police precinct. after 11 days of occupying the east precinct will happen? the cops went in and emptied out their guns emptied out their lockers effectively surrendering and 23 days later, seattle police department that they precinct back from the protesters. i am sure many of whom were outside agitators organized and funded by people like other companies or people who refused to show the patient names. it was a toxic display of absolute abdication of duty and responsibility but the bottom line is, these children here, they're the people who pay 70 grand for an education or pay nothing and waltzing in an

agitated everyone, they have an example of case study to follow where the democrats and leadership and the libs who are afraid of them all do nothing so they will probably occupy columbia forever. >> what you are looking at would've gone on under trump he would've said i can then -- let's listen to what the press had saved -- >> i cannot speak to him catching any of what is happening on tv. i can't speak to what's going on on the ground, i know what happened is just happening now and happening today so i have no idea on how that is being dealt with on the ground. we have been very consistent here about not commenting on personnel matters that is something for columbia university and the board to speak to end the president to make that decision. >> kayleigh: so we condemn no follow-through.

>> kennedy: i can't speak to that, but the president has been clear about this and i cannot speak to his clarity. he does not have a plan and there are echoes of 1968 all over the place including the fact that the democrat national convention is going to be in chicago this year like it was in 1968. to jesse point, there was a point to the protests in vietnam war, they wanted to end the vietnam war, they were clear but the achievable objectives, there are no objective here, they don't know what words like zionism and divestment meet especially these columbia students. they have lowered the ball so much that they let anyone in there, and the ones outside our control in the protest. a lot of them are now columbia students they are outside agitators and how did richard nixon win in 1968? he had a very similar message to what trump is picturing now, so we are going to see more glaring similarities between now and the summer and it's going to get

worse and not better because we do not have actual leadership that is willing to stand up. not only in the white house about these campuses especially in columbia where they are refusing to follow through on their word. >> weldon kennedy. developing this hour, the historic trial against trump, the judge threatening trump with jail time. details coming up next. use at hm , you understand what i'm talking about. your spouse has earned the right to apply for a va home loan. the newday 100 loan allows you to borrow up to 100% of your home's value. so if you're in a situation where you need some help financially, give us a call.

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>> is a busy day, aren't you glad you are watching fox -- trump is back in trump today, and witness testimony has resumed it has been an interesting day, at what point, they had the men who run the

archives department. >> yes, it was the first time he had ever testified. he was nervous and he had never had to testify in court before he was a witness to basically verify clips from c-span, there will be used in this trial. but the big news today, harris faulkner, the judge found that trump is in violation and found to make a violation of gag order. all he find him $9,000. because he had been attacking witnesses and others in this case. and they indicated if trump if he does not stop and he keeps it up he could go to jail. the judge has that looming over the child even though prosecutors have not indicated that they want incarceration to happen for violating the gag order. even before that decision, trump complained about the order that

shut him up. >> i am not even to say anything, this is a new one to me. you have a lawyer and if the lawyer does something or advises you had something you say advice accounting he said you are not a lot that -- >> he also lamented that he cannot find donald trump for more than a thousand dollars of each violation because trump is wealthy. and he said that amount may not be enough to deter him suggesting that is why if trump continues the judge may lock him off. initially he said "in some cases that might be a $2,500 fine and in other cases it might be a fine of a hundred and $50,000 because the court cannot do that they have to consider if maybe jail may be a necessary punishment" court they said the senior managing director said he

set up that shell companies that michael cohen used to funnel money to stormy daniels. testifying that if the bank knew that the money was allegedly for a porn star to influence the election, he would not -- the bank would not have allowed that to be set up. right now the new witness on the stand, keith, he is the lawyer for both stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. he is the lawyer that set up those payments of a hundred and $50,000 for mcdougall, and for stormy daniels and he is just beginning his testimony about that and as you can hear some frail trump people are honking their horns and you can see them pass by in front of court, this is what they've been doing all through the preceding showing support out here for the defendant. harris faulkner, back to you. >> harris: maybe it's for you, i'm a fan. [laughter] thank you.

jesse, this is interesting. keith davis and is going to take the stand. and karen mcdougal is a separate case but it is salacious, so i've had attorneys tell me that is why you enter it into something like this and the judge is allowing everything. >> jesse: i do not know what the judges up to but i know his family is getting rich from the trial. and the doubters raising tons of money from this. they've been paid by the biden campaign, who colluded with the star witness. michael cohen and donald trump cannot talk about it. michael cohen can say whatever he wants but trump is gagged. they are threatening to throughout the republican nominee for president in jail for talking. for talking during a election. i am not a lawyer, i just play one on tv, but according to the gag you could have of the loch ness monster as a junior in trump can't say trump is real.

at that as a thousand dollars. boom right there. it is not fair and it is unconstitutional and it goes against everything that this country stands for. but it is benefiting the former president since the child started the chair who knew paula's out -- he is blowing joe biden away. just like the mug shot -- it is backfiring big time. >> harris: it is interesting what is being said about what anybody else can say when less than a mile from here you have hate speech off the church and it's not being dealt with at all. get off campus is a lot different than go to jail. speak to the unequal application is staggering and this has entered into the realm of punitive application a long time ago and you are right it is unconstitutional in america sees that. >> emily: that's why people can see that he is being treated differently, dependent if you

are a a parent who wants to participate in their child's education they realize that they are being treated differently and targeted by the administration. the farce of michael cohen who enjoys tiktok and live streaming and donations, et cetera, he says i am not the defendant or the subject of the gag order. he says from his royal throne but i will stop doing this out of respect for the court. think about every american who is watching how trump is being treated by the court and they are seeing how the star witness is being treated, this felony disk barred disgrace of a form of a attorney, how is that acceptable? he supposed to walk send like the joker he is? this child has make a mockery of the criminal justice system and i am so sad that trump has unfortunately had to participate in this. >> harris: while you were talking we popped up michael: can we listen to what he said? okay never mind -- kennedy, when

you talk about the gag order, we are going to see another round from this judge, the last four of the 14 that the prosecution had alleged with donald trump. this is really become the focus of this trial at this point. taking up almost an entire week of time by thursday, the would be whether or not trump can get justice? >> kennedy: a lot of voters who are tuning into the presidential election are saying what is this about? is this about him talking? but he always talks and he says things that makes people really mad. and then i throw him in jail for that? if i were trump on his team right now, this would be a fund-raising tool and i would ask people for a thousand dollar donation specifically, and maybe the president in one of his post can give a shout out to donors. if they want to give a thousand dollars in addition to that math and the court he will also say hey larry in north carolina, thank you for trying to make america great again.

>> harris: we were talking off-camera about how much he is raising already in the position he is in right now. >> kayleigh: he likes to brag about his fund-raising number but according to the rnc they're raising about $1 million a day come on trump raise totally stomping on what president biden did. on the gag order, become the tin on the brown bag order of the judge and they said that because of the public interest in this case, he deserves the most extended first amendment right to speak publicly about the prosecution -- even including potential witnesses and testimony and in many ways inextricable for the 2 2024 campaign in which he hasn't been a declared candidate. it is a inextricable let the man speak. >> harris: enemy while he was just part of the donations. more "outnumbered" coming up next.

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>> trump set to go from court today to the campaign trail and then back to court. he will go to wisconsin and michigan tomorrow, before going back to new york for court on thursday. his campaign strategy seems to have worked so far. a few weeks ago he had a full day in court with the visit to the highland bodega whose owner had been charged with murder for defending himself and his story against a brutal attack. last week, before court, he had a hero's welcome from construction workers here in manhattan. at the end of the day, this exemplifies not only that trump and the fact that he has so much energy but also he has to put that back and forth. he is unable to campaign like president biden because he is stuck in court all day every day. >> jesse: this court case has

given him power, discipline and a new story line. power because who can ever withstand such a thing. who is going to wisconsin, michigan, and then back to manhattan and able to withstand this onslaught of legal attacks. he is also developed discipline, that is something trump might need sometimes, he has a schedule like you and i like schedule we like deadlines, if we had no deadlines all day and i will speak for myself, i would be a mess. if you have structure in your life, this is giving him structure, even in a way the gag order has given him structure because when he does these bushes rallies that go webscript sometimes, sometimes he says things that maybe his advisors do not want them to say and then lastly the story line is phenomenal this is a gift from the political gods, that having someone who is running against a rigged and corrupt system, being

a defendant in a criminal court case, which is a and corrupt court case, it is the perfect setting. a director could ever come up with, so he can show the defendant as a nominee running against a rig system. it has been plated perfectly so far. >> emily: similar to the forbidden love, like when you sneak out and ask all the better when you can see the person, once before trump gets out of court, the reception of the crowd is insane and intense. we saw in harlem with the construction workers, we saw them say bring trump back and the energy is off the chart, the sick succeeding in a river that is flowing and it's a huge waterfall at the end so this is benefiting the support for trump exponentially. >> kennedy: he would not have tended to a mythical hero if not for these proceedings. everyone from funny to alvin bragg, they might be on

the payroll because they have been so critical to his researcd i do not think people would have anticipated a year or year and a half ago but here we are no matter what the president throws at us, what they are painting is this rosy picture. but what people see now, they were told if trump was reelected the country will go downhill and president biden was here to save us. it is actually worse now than it was before for a lot of people and a lot of apolitical people. that is why you are seeing support from young people and people who had spent on the other side of the system who have been defendants and they do not have the money or the publicity to defund themselves and those happen to be new voters that trump can play in his category. >> emily: will they be harnessed and is it effective? >> kayleigh: what he is doing is very effective. trump was winning all seven in the swing states, and you find

him a mux and independence, if they were more likely to vote fr donald trump are not -- and 75%5 it goes down to the tune of 60 or 75% more likely to vote for trump overall impact your vote. controlling the narrative with great discipline, talking about the columbian protest, challenging president biden to a debate, that's what we call wendy. >> harris: did not know how you explain to a public why it is your campaign schedule is not bigger at this point. they are commencement schedule is not bigger at this point is about what it has always been for president biden, speaking on college campuses we will see if that keeps up. it is one thing to be stuck in court, and held back, hoping for a fair justice treatment, trump, and then have genocide 325

oliver anywhere. >> outside his home one of his homes and his million dollar homes in delaware. it is interesting, it becomes somewhat of a political martyr, donald trump, as he fights the law against them, and the other is sans van voters. the very voters that he needs. he desperately needs them and he is losing black people vote, so what's he going to do? he is turning people off because he is getting run over because he cannot pick a son. he has created a whole new lane of people, palestinians misunderstood by these protesters over here. >> emily: a live look of those protesters right now, as anti-israel agitators are occupying a building there. they will not least, we are watching for any new development and we would discuss how the movement is a major threat to

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trump young voter problem is only getting worse, the president facing major backrest over at the handling of the israel/hamas war and the anti-israel movement is posing a major threat to his reelection campaign. protesters have come up with a name for him. genocide president biden. the outreach is shown in his support for young voters, a key voting group for democrats. hunjesse, they need young people and they are losing him. >> jesse: drops to erica adams who just said that we are not going to tolerate little terrace calling for the extermination of religious minority in the city. columbia university does not run the city, we cannot tolerate that's a good for him. the young voters are now moving into trump direction, a little of this is because of hamas, but a lot of it is economics.

he speaks to people who cannot buy homes or star families are for groceries, how you going to start their american dreams with rates at 7.5%. you cannot, you can't have a go for you are living with your parents. there are ways around it but it is not a nice runway to start your life and live the dream. >> the white house is pushing reporters to a youth poll that shows that economies at the top, it's not a sickly point. >> kennedy: also immigration because some of the new generation of workers who are having to compete with jobs for people who are being employed in the black market they are looking for cash and they are taking away some of the entry-level jobs that kids who are either in college or looking to go at trying to get a job, they cannot get them and they can even stop the process for economic mobility that is why in

a bad economy, you can tell me it's great if you can afford things it's not for you but it's always going to be at the top. they are going to try and shoehorn abortion back to the top of the menu somehow with political maneuver that is the only thing they've got. >> harris: i am really confused as to why president biden would offer to repeal that tax break, because we get a break out on what the numbers would look like for families and some people argue they do not even get there did not understand they are getting the tax break. $2500 may not sound like a a lot of money to some people but it is. i do not know who he thinks his audiences but he is not speaking to middle and lower income families right now, by repealing the tax breaks of donald trump. he has forgotten his math if you have been doing. >> emily: the bottom line is he is attempting to purchase votes this entire time. we know this especially in this department because the administration is acknowledging

that the economy was the number one topic for young voters and they proceeded to say that is why we are forgetting student debt to alleviate the financial burden. instead of saying we will change the policies and we will help alleviate the stifling and suffocating regulations and the text -- loving that they have in everyone on the oppressive suffocating environment right now that has been created by this president. soap telling some group of people that they are going to forgive a cost that is going to be absorbed by another part of the population makes economic sense but the president will continue to attempt to buy vo votes. >> kayleigh: yes those loans should be pulled -- we are still waiting a white house answer on that. it is "outnumbered" in our tenth anniversary, we are looking back at the funniest moments on the couch. one of them is an appearance by our own jesse watters. you will want to see this. ♪ ♪

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>> all the leaders in the trump trial coming up. we have a few thoughts about

what is happening in court and she joins us. along with brett tolman and mark, and we will have the breaking news from college campuses as anti-israel pro-palestinian protest continue at columbia university and protesters have taken over building who helped found our great nation. who is behind these protest groups and do they have ties to hamas? join us at the top of the for "america reports." ♪ ♪ >> it is "outnumbered" tenth anniversary and to celebrate we are looking back at all the special people in the special moment they have graced the outnumbered couch over the years. today we are reliving some hilarious moments from the past decade. >> welcome back to "outnumbered." i know you are expecting emily compagno or kayleigh mceany, but instead you have me. >> a toasted that your face

and they came up with this idea about a year ago i was kind enough to send our own "outnumbered" toaster. >> she is a nordic goddess? [laughter] >> tuning and now to the taylor swift defect, this is going to take an hour, the pop star in attendance supporting her boy boyfriend -- i care so much about this i know how to say taylor swift i am the problem now obviously. >> he is about to do it on television ladies and gentlemen, charlie, can you do this? >> this is not in my contract. >> my goodness. [applause and laughter] >> can you do it with harris faulkner on your back? >> i can do a regular push-up with you on my back.

>> have you ever felt embarrassed to be dining alone? tokyo wants to make you feel more comfortable. by giving you a dinner partner, a giant stuffed animal. what you think about this? >> brian? where did you go? >> i want to give you a sense of what the story was really like. >> i like the look, i want to be the only one doing this, as a matter fact there you go. i like this. it feels good. >> it feels good keep going. >> what did you do? with your socks? >> kennedy: can i take selfies with the phone?

[laughter] >> could there actually be area in life out there? >> i am all for intelligent life being found elsewhere because there's not much here. >> it is national talk all day and you all know how i will be celebrating with taco bell of course. >> taco bell for breakfast for those of you who are already stoned. >> you look at the segment and you ask how do you make kayleigh mceany upset? >> ♪ nancy and chuck ♪ ♪ with about a hundred million bucks ♪ ♪ because they looked down the annual ♪ ♪ they are sitting up on the hill ♪ ♪ screaming for another belt ♪ ♪ saint do what i say, don't do as i do ♪ ♪ -- [laughter] >> the question on everyone's mind do you still have that?

>> jesse: the shorts suit did not catch on but "outnumbered" did. >> thank you. >> jesse: congratulations ladies you guys are amazing. you can always stroke my legs every time. >> kennedy? >> kennedy: whenever i think about some of the people who have sat here in the middle i always think about tammy, he might have had some talk about breakfast before he got here and every time he was asked a question they said i really don't talk about politics. [laughter] >> harris: i remember that we were reminiscing about that recently that you can get a contact high. but now think about how much marijuana is legal, he talked a lot about it. >> kayleigh: yes so many fun moments, taco bell is now legal as well. to your point kennedy. >> harris: so many good memories. >> emily: so many more to come

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