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howard: stormy daniels told her tale about donald trump with a whole lot of details, his silk pajamas later replaced by a t-shirt and boxers to convince the jury that the one night stand he denies actually happened. but while most liberal pundits hailed her account, the adult film star also acknowledged lying under an nda in exchange for a $130,000 payoff shortly before the 2016 election. quote, i could not tell my story, he could not tell his story, we had to pretend we didn't know each other. there were plenty of exchangings that undercut daniels' credibility as conservative pun if admits were quick to observe and while some professed dog almost fainting over the tawdry testimony, about the most explicit phrase she used was missionary position. if. >> stormy daniels took the stand today serving up salacious testimony that the judge somehow allowed. this is when the media who gave us lewinsky, me too and the pee tape we tends to be prude. howard: daniels described

briefly blacking out when the moment came at trump's lake that the hoe golf event is. wait, a woman who's paid to have sex with hundreds of men had no idea what he might have wanted? i felt the room spin in slow motion. i felt the blood basically leave my hands, she testified, and there was an imbalance of power, for sure. he was bigger and blocking the way. but stormy said trump never threaten thed her or explained why she quickly took off a her clothes for the brief encounter. and get this, daniels twice sought out trump the following year because he had floated putting her on the apprentice. on cross-examination, daniels admitted she hates trump, that she absolutely wants to see him behind bars if he's convicted and that she owes him $400,000 for her failed defamation suit, so a very stormy day for ms. daniels. and don't forget, the crime the d.a. alvin bragg is alleging here is not having sex, but falsifying expense if records. after the day's testimony, the former president spoke to

reporters. finish. >> a very revealing day as you see the case is totally falling apart. they have nothing on books and records and even something that should bear very little relationship to the case is just a disaster for the d.a. a. howard: but that will ultimately be up to the jury. i'm howard kurtz and this is "mediabuzz." ♪ ♪ howard: when it comes to the commentators, it's almost like they were watching two different hush money trials. >> the court case is really about convincing jurors that trump is a bad guy for sleeping around. it's not about breaking laws, because no laws were broken. if trump were a woman, the prosecution would be accused of slut shaming. >> it was, again, something that needed to be said because if you

didn't have that testimony, then why in the hell would donald trump be so desperate to keep it silenced? >> another disgraceful chapter in this kang can radiocourt. -- kangaroo court. porn star stormy daniels took the stand for no apparent reason other than to embarrass donald trump. >> if you're calling her a liar and saying this never happened, i think the prosecution has a right to be able to try and and prove that she's telling the truth. howard: joining us now to analyze the coverage, guy benson, host of the guy benson show on fox radio and the podcast, and in phoenix, lucy caldwell, an adviser to renewed democracy. guy, i'm sure some of daniels' testimony was embarrassing the donald trump. but the consensus, with some exemptions among the journalists, is that she didn't get roughed up herself x that seems to me at least to be off the mark. >> hey, howie. well, yeah. there was the actually a piece really useful i saw yesterday on

fox news.com that a ran through some of the analysis offered on trump hostile networks, some of our competition where a number of their legal analysts actually conceded that maybe this didn't go so well for the prosecution because it looked like stormy daniels sort of strayed off script, answered questions beyond what she was asked issuing sort of commentary along the way in ways that might not have been terribly useful to the jury, might have perturbed the judge even though the judge himself is anti-trump and donated to joe biden. is and she also looks like she has an agenda, talking about how much she hates the defendant, how she wants to see him go away. so maybe the opportunity here to get salacious details that we've heard before, by the way, this is not a new tale. she's been telling the story now for a number of years. to hear it again in court under oath, have certain people all aflutter. but whether it's advance -- it advanced the ball for alvin bragg and his team, that's

another question. howard: lucy, the counterargument is that daniels received the hush money payment from fox -- excuse me, from trump fixer michael cohen who testifies tomorrow, a whole weekend of being speculation about that, and, therefore, she has to try to convince the jury that there was a sexual encounter. >> yeah, that's right, howie. look, whether or not stormy daniels is a person that you're going to have over for a party or put on the main stage of your next event or, you know, give a book deal to, that's not really relevant for the purposes of what's at a issue in this trial this week which is did the thing happen, right? i think the prosecution was trying to establish did it happen because that is at the heart of whether or not these hush money payments tock place. so -- took place. i don't think whether or not stormy daniels was credible or not or how she seems to come across really matters that much. she is a porn star, right? she is an adult entertainer. so if anyone were looking for someone to show up as though she's a girl scout, that wasn't going to be stormy daniels, and

i don't think that was the purpose of her testimony for the prosecution. howard: okay. well, i think her testimony matters because if she's not telling the truth, it raises all kinds of other questions. and, by the way, i'm going to move on to guy right now, but, by the way, she can't have been that traumatized by this episode because twice in the next year she sought out trump, had meetings with him because she wanted to get on the apprentice, which he had dangled. she admitted under cross-examination that she hates trump, wants to see him go to jail and all that. they're trying to portray her as a lying golddigger trying to shake down trump. she says, you know, she didn't ask for this and she got caught up in this thing that has turned her life upside down. >> i think there's probably a lot of people out there who kind of assume this encounter happened. i know trump denies, but he did pay her $1300,000 to not talk about something, so if we can maybe just skip past his denial, get to the fact that the payment happened, really her testimony

become withs irrelevant because we're not talking about is this man, you know, someone who had sex with a foreign star, was he engaged in infidelity, whatever. the question in a criminal trial is did he commit a crime. and i find it baffling, frankly, and i've talked about this with some of our legal analysts here at fox on my radio show that the judge in this case, a biden donor, said, oh, yes, it's definitely relevant and pertinent if to have stormy daniels up there describing the mechanics of the sex that happened. . when i think it's almost not stipulated, quite the opposite, but in i think in public opinion most people kind of assume this happened. but there's a trump defense witness -- and byron york wrote about this -- who was the chairman of the fec who can actually speak to whether or not from a federal perspective the disguising or the different characterization or categorization of this payment constituted a violation of fec

law or finishing ec guidelines. -- fec guidelines. that seems much more relevant to this case and the alleged crime that alvin bragg is trying to now sort of conjure up here, and the judge has decided that that witness that trump's a team wants to bring can't testify about a those details. how on earth does that make any sense? howard: lucy, stormy said repeateddedly i didn't want care about the money, i wasn't motivated by money. but she eagerly took the $130,000 which required her to keep quiet, and then she talked about a threat by an unnamed trump supporter in a powering lot. we can't fact check that, and she tried to sell the story to "in touch" magazine for $15,000, and she did get a deal for a book. i'm not begrudging her to use the free enterprise system, but it kind of contradicted, i thought, this idea that money was irrelevant. >> yeah. look, i think we should be careful in how we talk about stormy daniels because humans

don't exist in binary if situations. you can both be a person who has her, shall we say, background and renner or story and be a person -- repertory and be a person who maybe got out over your skis in this situation. i don't want to speculate about stormy daniels' motivations per se. to guy's point about why are all of these details relevant? because of the same thing that you noted, because trump can bed it. and how stormy daniels handled the aftermath, whether or not she pursued, let's say, economic opportunities or not, yes, she did. that's also not at issue, and it's also a thing that i don't think really matters so much. as you say, guy, i think you are right, fec jail is real jail as many political operatives will remind if you, campaign finance is very important, but it is true in the coverage of this we really have lost what is at issue. and more importantly, i think, most people seem to not be paying so much attention or care. this is a real insider story. howard: well, that's interesting. certainly if there were cameras or audio at least, i mean, the

ratings would be a hundred times greater, ten times greater. i don't know the exact figure. want to play some sound for you, guy, because first of all i should note that stormy says she did the "60 minutes" interview for free, so trying to counteract the golddigger interview is. unlike o.j.'s semi-con physicianal book if i did it, which nobody bought that, he did it, the new approach seems to be, yeah, i did it. so what? let's listen to greg gutfeld. >> now, it could be she really blacked out after having sex with trump which is a compliment. truly, he screwed the brains out of herring. [laughter] >> oh, god. >> that makes him a sex god. howard: guy, colorful way of putting it, be i think that would have been a good deespecially if except for the fact that, in fairness, donald trump still incests that this never -- insists that this never happened, as in a sexual ebb counter. encounter. >> right. which suggests that he's maybe

still embarrassed about this coming public and there were people who were testifying that he was worried not just about a political campaign but about, for example, what his wife might think about all of this which is another motive for why he would pay her 130 grand. but here we are talking and talking and talking about the sex that i think probably happened that he denies, stormy daniels, she's a porn star and what position was it in and all of that, did she black out and was there a power battle. we're not talking about like a me too moment here. we're talking about, i thought, a crime, a crime that a prosecutor has decided to try to bring against a former president of the united states based on the same set of circumstances that his predecessor in that office in manhattan did not decide to move forward on, that the fec did not decide to move forward on in terms of charges and that the feds, the doj also made the same call. all of them looked at these facts and decided there's not a crime here to prosecute, but

anti-trump alvin bragg with his anti-trump team, one guy left under doj to come and prosecute trump in front of a judge who donated to trump's opponent, they decided, okay, maybe we can figure out there's some bank shot here legally to turn it into a crime. that's the number one issue, was there the a crime here, not is trump a good guy. howard: i have agreed that this is the most partisan of the cases, that it's kind of a stretch. but, lucy, you guys keep saying, well, her testimony the about what happened isn't that important, but what is important is that in 2018 when trump was president, the "wall street journal" reported the whole thing, the the scheme to pay her off, and she lied again -- which we already knew -- in denying it. these were just rumors, she said. she said the signature on a document wasn't really hers. don't the media have to fairly grapple with those details? >> wouldn't that behavior be consistent with a person who's trying to honor the nda in terms of the hush money agreement?

i think that's much ado about nothing. what else was she supposed to do? howard: it's lying! it's lying, how is it much ado about nothing? i understand the nda, that the it requires her to lie, and you think that's not terribly important? >> i think that if you have signed an nda and, look, i'm not stormy daniels' publicist. i'm trying to piece this together as you are too. if you are a person who has entered an agreement where you receive money and you're supposed to the say nothing about it which, obviously, she's taking quite a different tone now, but you supposed to hold up your end of the bargain, then i would say arguably saying, no, that's not a thing, nothing to see here is you holding up your end of the bargain. again, not stormy daniels' pub list cyst, don't know what's in her mind. howard: i've got to stop here -- >> howiesome. howard: yes, guy. >> i just want to quickly say speaking of 2018 and taking money, the prosecutor leading the case in the courtroom took 12 grand from the dnc that year,

another interesting note. howard: yes. i'm glad you mentioned that. two quick things in the documents case, classified documents in florida, the trump judge appointee, that is eileen cannon, has not only started -- has not even begun the case and refuses to set a date, and that's brought her a lot of media criticism. also just on the veep stakes speculation, i wanted to get this in. axios reported that donald trump is considering nikki haley who hasn't even endorsed him. and about 12 seconds later, the trump camp comes out and said, no, we're not considering her. just shows you how all of this can seem ephemeral. when we come back, violence and arrests at a college campuses, and joe biden actually sits down with a real journalist. ♪ ♪

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howard: campus violence continues to spread with police making arrests at george washington university here and also at university of chicago where they broke up an encampment after a weeklong impasse. president biden talked about the pro-palestinian protests with cnn's erin burnett, his first interview with a serious journalist in months, and she pressed him on several issues, other issues including the economy and rising prices. >> it's also true right now, mr. president, that voters by a wide margin trust trump more on the economy. are you worried that you're running out of time to turn that around? >> we've already turned it around. look, look at the michigan survey. 65% of the american people think they're in good shape economically. howard: guy benson, biden, in my view, hit the right notes in the holocaust speech, but given the spread of violence and arrests and how much had gone on before he gave that speech, was it a little too late? >> yes, because he had a already

both sidessed this issue. some of these horrible pro-hamas hateallies he said, oh, i condemn it, but i also condemn the people who don't understand the plight of the palestinians, paraphrasing, which was an awful, awful answer. there's also reporting, howie, as i'm sure you've seen, that he gave the holocaust speech at the holocaust museum, and his team was trying to keep under wraps in the days leading up to that speech his decision to withhold military aid from the israelis and then confirm that after the speech so it didn't step on what element of his pandering before he pandered to the other side. so this has been an extremely unimpressive performance by this president, one that i think has has shown a great deal of moral cowardice. howard: we'll cover that in the next segment, but wills such a thing as diplomacy behind the scenes whether you want to go public with it or not. lucy, the three cable news networks all broke away from

stormy daniels' testimony, which was kind of at a sensitive point, to take the speech without the seemmy details because it would have just looked horrible. but it still made almost no news compared to the trump trial. >> the well, i think that a speech that is tied to a remembrance event, it is not lascivious, it's not going to sort of drive can ratings in the way that what position the president chose with stormy daniels will as we just talked about in the last segment fortunately or unfortunately. one of the problems we see the biden administration facing is they continue, i think, to be distracted by the protests that are happening on campus and some of the most extreme element9s and forgetting out where their base is in all of this. look, it's ap an election year, and that's pretty relevant. ing there was a poll last week that showed really only about11% of voters think that biden is not progressive enough across a

range of issues and, of course, this is one that's very front and center. and so i think that part of the problem that we see biden facing is he is trying to show that he's being all things to all people, that he is showing that he, you know, is with the campus protesters, that he's, you know, trying to meet what he thinks is his base where it is, but that, in fact, is not his base, right? if most of his base wants to see the president strike a moderate position on this issue, and that's what they did get in that speech. howard: yeah. but besides talking about the holocaust, he talked about the campus protests. in any event, i was glad to see erin burnett press biden. he gave system of his standard answers, but should she have asked, and i know you only get a limited amount of time, but the border or forgiving student debt or hunter biden's upcoming trial which might have been more difficult summits for the president? if. >> yeah, i would love to have heard questions on all three of those. i understand she only had so much time. he doesn't do this much, as you've addressed and which i

think is not a great look for him. this was a sit-down and, frankly, she pressed him on the economy, he gave standard answers. his e standard answers are bad. for him to say we've already turned it around? if that is not true in terms of the polling. he's 202 points upside water on the economy, he's trailing by double digits to donald trump, and even david axlerod, obama's guru, has publicly complainedded and sort of griped saying you've got to stop with the football spiking, the triumphal ifism on the economy. it's insulting -- insulting to people because it's the not how they're actually the living or feeling, and yet he's kind of addicted to that talking point, he's paralyzed in it, and i guess he's going to try to roll with that into november. we'll see how that a plays for him. howard: yeah. biden spends a lot of time about the laws he's passed and how it's benefiting this or that community which is perfect legitimate, but it doesn't make a lot of news. this cnn interview was done on a wednesday which is one day there's no trump trial, try to get more attention. first serious sit-down, i should

say, with a serious journalist in a long time. jen psaki, former press secretary on her msnbc show, said it was more important to do howard stern and "the view" than holding a press conference. i don't have a problem with him doing a softer show, but he hasn't done a press conference forever. >> yeah. i think that a biden's team, we've talked about this on the show before, biden's team continues to think, i think, that they're so afraid of the criticism he will get if they just let him loose that they hold him really tight, right? so they don't put him out there, and it reinforces, by accident, it reinforces the narrative that he doesn't, is not willing to do media, not able to do media, you know, not up to it. and they have got to get over that especially between now and november because it's going to come back to get them. and they also have to get tighter on some of these talking points. the economy is a great example of that. even if the economy were the best economy -- howard: gotta go. >> okay, keep going. howard: he still needs to campaign on other things.

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howard: much of the media made a big mistake in rushing to judgment on the ceasefire negotiations between israel and hamas. the israelis made increasingly generous offers even while being told some of the hostages would be dead bodies and then this happened. as you can see from these on-screen banners, there was an assumption that the terrorist government had largely accepted bibi netanyahu's offer for a temporary truce, but that a wasn't what happened. hamas came back with its own counteroffer with several new demands that israel and the u.s.

found unacceptable. president biden gave a speech on holocaust remembrance day tying the mass murder of jews to the surge of violent campus protests. >> it was really striking the way that the president did not shy away, lean ared into -- leaned intos are lessons from the holocaust. >> it's all too little, too late, nothing more than a symbol ec gesture or because, why? his far-left base is not listening to him. nobody's listening to him. >> cnn's erin burnett asked the president about pro-palestinian protesters carrying such signs as genocide joe. >> do you hear the message of those young americans? if. >> absolutely, i hear the message. hook, two things. if -- look, two things. first of all, there's a legitimate right to free speech and protest. there's not a legitimate right to use hate speech. there's not a legitimate right to threaten jewish students.

howard: meanwhile, biden privately told the netanyahu government that he was withholding the shipment of the biggest bombs, at least the for now, because he doesn't want the israelis using them for a full scale advantages of heavily populated rafah. the president kept it quiet, but the israelis leaked it to the media a hoping for a backlash. new york times columnist brett stevens calls it good. -- bidens biggest blunder. after a full a day in court, donald trump came out to address the reporters on campaign issues with israel at the top of the list. >> what biden is doing with respect to israel is cities graceful -- is disgraceful. if any jewish person voted for joe biden, they should be ashamed of themselves. howard: that is not how many jewish people feel. but some republicans are taking to the airwaves to rip the president. >> so whose side is joe biden on? >> well, he's clearly on hamas'

side. howard: look, we can debate whether biden's pressure tactic makes sense, but there's no question biden has largely backed israel over the opposition of left-wing democrats and at the same time is concerned about the i humanitarian crisis in gaza. one thing is clear, the middle east more than any place in the world can be best described as journal journalists as shrouded by the fog of war. next on "mediabuzz," a troubling report on rfk jr. hiding serious health problems and a real test for the media. ♪ ♪ (♪) (♪) (♪) (♪) (♪) (♪) book in the hotels.com app to find your perfect somewhere.

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howard: robert f. kennedy jr. has been hiding serious medical problems from the public, and that was just exposed by "the new york times." now, are rfk, who's only 70, makes a great show of physical fitness, skiing, snowboarding, shirtless weight lifting, is there any other kind if but the times reveals a diagnosis more than a decade ago of a worm that got into rfk's brain, ate part

of it and died causing him memory losses anding fogginess. there's more. rfk has suffered from ate aal fiblylation, an irregular heartbeat and has been hospitalized for that four times, and he's also been diagnosed with mercury poisoning from eating too much fish. that brought both mockery and medical analysis. >> i do think he's the only of the three major candidates that have had a dead worm or worm withs -- [laughter] eating part of his brain with. >> you basically go in and similar to a tumor in a way, you'd go in and basically just remove that cyst. howard: joining us now from palm beach with, caroline downey, a reporter for national review, and mike emanuel with, fox's chief washington correspondent. caroline, we wouldn't know about the brain damage and the memory loss and other serious ailments if it wasn't for "the new york times". doesn't the public have a right to know about the health of a presidential candidate,

especially one who's polling at 10 or 12% and each higher in some of the swing states? >> howie with, exactly. finish all three major presidential candidates are in a a close contest to see which is most likely to be incapacitated in office, to have memory loss, one is a certified jeer or yacht rick, and the other had brain worms. lie leak you said, it's "the new york times" subhead that said rfk jury had previously undisclosed health issues. that is at the heart of this. the media has reignited the debate over whether presidential candidates should release their medical records so that voters can make an informed choice. cnn cited multiple former presidents who hid their serious health conditions from the public like woodrow wilson suffered a debilitating stroke that affected him for the rest of his tenure. john fetterman, though he's been sharp lately, it's prove that we can't take a -- proof that we can't take a candidate at their word when they say they're

strong as a horse. that debate, he struggled to debate -- howard: i've got to get mike in because i think the media are failing this test. are we only interested in the horse race, in the polling, in the spoiler role of rfk, or do we take kennedy seriously enough to grapple with these issues? there's been here's how to avoid getting a worm, but very little on the nondisclosure with. >> i think "the new york times" doing this deep dig into his health was a sign that he's a player, basically, that he's not some fringe candidate who may if get less than 1% of the vote -- howard: wouldn't bother. >> right. he may get double digits, and i think that's why they took a deep dive. i think it's perfectly legitimate because he's seep as the young guy in the race, 70 years old, the shirtless weight lifting and and all that stuff and the skiing. so to get into his health is a perfectly legitimate thing. howard: well, he brushed it off in a tweet. i offered to eat five more brain worms and still beat president

trump and president biden in a debate. very funny. but, caroline, shouldn't rfk being apologizing for withholding this critical information rather than sort of tossing it off as a semi-joke? >> as i said, it's about transparency for the public. i do think citizens should know whether a presidential candidate who's front-runner should be able to govern effectively. , and that they thought this was a tumor at first, and it was a misdiagnosis, turned out to be a parasite. but, i mean, he suffered from memory loss as a result. his cognitive function significantly declined, and the fact that the public's in the dark about this until "the new york times" dug through the divorce filings is somewhat troubling. that being said, you know, trump is no spring chicken either, and for him to go after rfk for health, well, let's just say that they all have some concerning health backgrounds. howard: well, i want to play some more sound because donald trump made a 4-minute if video

attacking rfk jr., so he apparently has concluded that he might potentially lose more votes to a guy whose name is kennedy. let's may that, and we'll talk about it on the other side -- let's play that. >> for those of you that want to vote because you think he's an anti-vaxer, he's not really an anti-vaxer. i even take biden over jr. because our country would last about a year or two longer than it would with junior. it would collapse almost immediately. howard: he'd even take biden over junior,s which is the new nickname. >> well, absolutely. but i think this is a sign that he's a serious threat. howard: yeah. >> we've been speculating whether he would take away from if biden or take away from trump, and i think initially a lot of people thought he would take away from biden because he comes from a political dynasty of the democrat party -- howard: a lot of people still think he's a democrat. >> but the three-way race polling so far shows he may be hurting trump more, so trump's

taking him on. howard: an msnbc host is an aggressive interviewer, but he recently this week did a two-segment interview with rfk mostly about he should -- that he, kennedy, should consider trump or a more dangerous to the country than biden. kennedy had his own view on that. and he didn't even mention the health disclosures. let's roll that. >> you do seem at times to be warm towards president trump, and he is clearly warm towards you. >> i would definitely disagree with that. he just called me a radical f-ing liberal. howard: caroline, i'll just give you the ball, and you can run with it. >> well, i think i to mike's point, the issues that tend to animate trump voters also could animate support for rfk especially on the covid mismanagement, the way a that the pandemic was handled. that was a scandal.

and, i mean, people who at least in florida where i'm currently based, i know for a fact that the sympathies that lie with trump on that, they also lie with rfk, and many outlets believe that rfk could steal supporters from trump. it makes sense from a strategy standpoint for trump to portray rfk as a legally liberal from the -- legacy liberal from the kennedy clan because it makes him compete with biden which he desperately needs him to do. howard: i still can't believe this has not been more of a story and, by the way, it's a problem for trump and biden to bring up because they haven't leased their medical records either, and neither has kennedy. the media dazed and confused by marjorie taylor greene's latest moves against speaker mike johnson and his democratic allies. ♪ ♪

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isn't this great? yeeaahhhh!! ♪ yeah, i could do a cartwheel in here. oh hey! would you like to join us? no. we would love to join you. ♪ howard: marjorie taylor greene made it clear she would officially file her motion this week to boot mike johnson from the speaker's chair, and then after a couple of meetings with johnson, she didn't. >> congresswoman, last week you said you were absolutely going to trigger the motion the vacate9 this week. is that no longer the case? >> well, we'll see. it's up to mike johnson. howard: but the congresswoman did reverse course and did officially file the motion to vacate. she got clobbered, winning only 11 republican votes. the overall pro-johnson vote, 359-43. this. >> democrats saved him. knapp i city pelosi voted for

him -- nancy pelosi voted for him. nancy pelosi doesn't vote for republicans unless she has full control of the house. i don't want to be plunged into chaos. bypassing biden's full agenda. >> we can't get 100% of what we want, and sometimes a handful of my colleagues demand that. it's just not possible right now. howard: the media coverage of mtg, clearly suggests or some people would suggest this is about her e getting attention because the democrats had signaled that they would bail out the speaker if it came to it, and that's exactly what happened. >> yeah. howe howie -- howie, new york magazine called it maga feeder arguing that greene knew this was a dead end, but she wanted to be on the record opposing johnson. i guess mission if accomplished, but to what end? even trump said leave him alone, let's focus on 2024. mike johnson inherited a very tough balance of power in congress that probably made it futile to obstruct that foreign

aid package if that greene railed against. i mean, yes, the house freedom caucus is furious now because there is no funding for border security, but what they did not want is another speakership showdown before november if when the gop if majority, which is razor thin, is at stake. howard: yeah. so, mike emanuel, why would she do this in the face of certain defeat because of what the democrats said? she got the 11 republicans on her side, that would have been enough to topple him, but hakim jeff reese and his group said, well, we're not going to let that happen. >> i think she may have looked at the first effort to remove a speaker, kenning mccarthy -- kevin mccarthy, are where eight republicans got all the attention, all the media coverage, raised money, raised their profiles, and so maybe she thought this was an opportunity to raise her profile. howard: for her brand, in other words if. >> yeah. i thought she was looking for an

exit ramp, to be honest with yo- howard: uh-huh, i thought so too. >> but she, i guess, felt like she had to go forward or people would say she chickened out, something to that effect. in this political environment, 359-43 is as close to unanimous, bipartisan as you get in this environment, stunning rebuke. howard: well, some did say she was chickening out in the 15 minutes between when he said she's not doing it and when she did it. politico says mike johnson is not some forrest gump character but, actually, pretty skillful. he changed his position, to got through the foreign aid package including aid to ukraine not that poppe a lahr with the gop and then maneuvering to save his job. >> right. he's handling difficult circumstances. like i said, the balance of power is not necessarily in the gop's favor, and the fact that so many freedom caucus members voted to save him and there were only a little over 10 defectors, i think, really shows that he's doing the best he can.

and i want to point out that greene's record is a bit inconsistent here because most staunch republican lawmakers believe that johnson was an upgrade from kevin mccarthy. and she ran interference for mccarthy. she defended him to the bitter end even though when it came to capitulating to democrats on policy, you could argue they were quite comparable. howard: yeah. >> so why the change. howard: yeah. they both faced the same problems which is republicans don't control the government. and so, mike, johnson had trump's back at a times. other times he stood up to trump. he owes the democrats bigtime for saving his bacon. do they get something in return? we know what she got, which is why we're sitting here talking about it. >> i think with the foreign aid package they felt like they did get something from the him, that he played ball. he showed the courage to put pit on the floor, and i think they're thinking he may be able to work work with them. his language has been very careful about the democrats. he doesn't call them the enemy.

he talks about people who have a different philosophy, different priorities, but he's looking for ways to work with him, so some are hopeful this may wring us back from -- bring us back from being super polarized to getting things done. we'll see. howard: i've heard that before. >> right. but between elections is a perfect time to pick new leadership. right now with a razor thin, microscopic majority, not a great time to do that. howard: yeah. and it would have been a repeat of the mccarthy episode. who knows how long it would have gone on. caroline, there is something of a backlash by some republicans toward marjorie taylor greene and talk she might be kicked off committees. i don't know how serious that is, but what's your quick take? >> yes. multiple outlets have said this, but like i said, very staunch, principled can conservatives argue this is a spectacle that she's pulling so close to 2024. this would be the second time9 that the caucus has tried to oust their elected leader. it's not great for stability -- howard: yeah. >> -- in the chamber, and i think that's what everybody wants right now. howard: yeah.

don't believe everything you hear in the media. caroline downey, mike emanuel, thanks. still to come, doggone it, kristi noem canceling her book tour and a reporter suspended for her treatment of basketball's caitlin clark. ♪ if and some people... don't. bundle your home and auto with allstate and save. you're in good hands with allstate.

howard: it's back. time once again to race the clock on the buzzmeter. go. kristi noem has been dogged by her admission in her own book that she shot and killed her puppy and a goat, and of course it's come up in her t bear views. the south dakota governor governor has stopped commented on the tale that she met with kim young up, and she is tired of all the canine questions. >> did you meet kim jong un? >> you know, as soon as this was brought to my attention, i certainly made some changes and

looked at this passage, and i've met with many, many world leaders. >> so you did not meet with kim jong un, that's what you're saying. >> no, i've met with many, many world leaders. enough, stuart. this interview is ridiculous, what you are doing right now. so you immediate to stop. it is. stuart: okay, or we'll stop. >> let's talk about some real topics -- stuart: i'm afraid we're out of time. >> oh. well, of course we are. howard: she canceled her book tour supposedly because of the weather. if. >> i don't believe it. i just think it's a little late to the keep her on a short leash. [laughter] if i'd hope she'd reconsider, but i'm not going to sit up and beg. howard: woof. well, her advisers must have said, please, governor, stop digging this hole. pulitzer prizes were issued this week. "the washington post," in the last sentence of the fifth paragraph, oh, by the way, new york times also won three awards.

"the new york times" taking a different approach, "the new york times" and washington post with three pulitzers each. and that's how it should be done. if. now that l.a. dodgers' superstar shohei ohtani has been cleared of wrongdoing, his former intenters has pleaded guilty for stealing a whole lot of money for him. he admitted stealing $17 million from his friend's accounts to cover his own out of control gambling. the plea to bank fraud carries a maximum of 3 3 years in prison, and he'll eventually be deported to ya. pan. basketball superstar caitlin clark has this favorite gesture, shaping her fingers over her heart. now a pretty lame joke about clark has led the indianapolis star to suspend sports writer greg doyle. >> real quick, i want to do this. >> you like that? [laughter] >> i like that you're here. i like that you're here. >> yeah. i do that at my family after every game, so it's pretty cool.

>> start doing it to me, and we'll get along just fine. howard: doyle apologized, but the newspaper moved he had other awkward exchanges with female athletes. caitlin clark is beginning her wnba season with the indiana fever. doyle can write about the team, but only from tv. for the first time ever, disney+ has the rights to stream the game live. if. that's it for this edition of "mediabuzz." i'm howard kurtz. happy mother's day to all the moms out there. you can subscribe to my daily podcast, "media buzzmeter." we have a lot of fun riffing on the top five stories and lots of weird and funny stories. and we are back here 11 eastern weather channel only -- with the only media analysis show on national television. ♪ ♪

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