>> alright so more coming out of the courtroom the past while. cohen signed an authorization october 272016 to wire the $130,000 payment to keith davidson who is stormy daniels attorney. the purpose was stated as retainer. cohen said it's not true and it wasn't a retainer it was paying her for her life rights. but who made the payment? was at cohen? did he lie about it are was it someone else quit. >> sandra: big questions. our coverage continues and our legal analysis continues. i am in for meal at 4 and we will likely hear from the former president himself walking out of court and we will share it with you. bill will join us again. thank of joining us. >> john: looking forward to that he spent time in the did you courtroom at that speed is great. i'm john roberts see you tomorrow. >> sandra: i'm centra smith the story with martha maccallum begins. >> announcer: good afternoon i'm traced in for martha

maccallum this is the story. right now former president donald trump face-to-face with his ex trace: attorney in court michael cohen getting into specifics about conversations he said the former president had about a payment to porn star stormy daniels during the 2016 election. at the crux of the case is whether prosecutors prosecutors can prove trump intentionally falsified documentation of the payment. cohen pleaded guilty to lying to congress the former president saying again today he did nothing wrong. watch... >> i'm innocent. this is a political witchhunt. this trial is rigged. it's a disgrace to new york and it's a disgrace to the country. i should be out campaigning now instead of sitting in a very cold courthouse. all day long. >> trace: former federal prosecutor andy mccarthy study my butt first to nate foy live for us outside the courthouse and/or manhattan. good afternoon nate front-mack

good afternoon trays. michael cohen right now if you seconds ago starting to go over the actual wiring of the $130,000 to adult film actress stormy daniels. you told the court prior to that he and former cfo of trump organization allen was a burg spoke with trump directly to alert him cohen was going different the payment cohen claims weisel park promised him he would be paid back and trump was vary appreciative. he said he was doing everything he could and more to protect my boss he told the court. later he said i would not hand out a 130,000-dollar nda for someone else. cohen eventually paid daniels using a home equity line of credit card something he said he did to conceal the payment from his wife. cohen claims trump wanted the story suppressed because he worried about his electability with women after the release of the access hollywood tape. corn claims trump told him quote its a total disaster. women are going to hate me.

this is going to be a disaster for the campaign. cohen admitted to delaying the payment to daniels, hoping he could push it past the election and not pay her at all. trump denies ever having an affair with her and lawyers for trump are expected to focus on cohen's criminal history. he is a convicted perjurer who admitted to lying under oath several times. prosecutors say he did that in the past to protect trump. now, cohen just told the court again that he alerted trump right before making the 130,000-dollar payment khakis says he wouldn't have done that without telling trump about it first. of course trump's lawyers will push back on that narrative when the cross-examination of cohen begins. traced. >> trace: nate foy live for as outside the courtroom will get back to you as news warns. let's bring in andy mccarthy fox news contributor concrete to see you. let's pick up where nate left off. michael cohen saying he spoke to

alan weisselberg about that payment and also notified the former president about the payment. what is the get here? what are they trying to get at with this kind of testimony and equally. >> it's very peculiar because what he is testifying about are things that are not in contention. trump as nate said might pushback about how much he knew about cohen fronting the money to stormy daniels but here's the thing. none of this is illegal, it's not a legal to purchase somebody's story with a nondisclosure agreement. the element that would make this illegal if they could establish it would be that the payment violated the campaign finance laws. what we aren't hearing is a single word of any kind of testimony that trump had the campaign-finance laws in his mind at all. i don't think these transactions

are federal campaign expenditures and i am not alone in that. break is trying to suggest to the jury that they are by having his lawyers or his prosecutors tell the jury that cohen has led guilty to campaign-finance crimes and having pecker testified he entered into a nonprosecution agreement with the government regarding campaign finance but neither 1 of those things is admissible thanks against donald trump. >> i wonder what the defence is -- strategy for the defence is going forward. as you said no 1 pointed out the crime. all of these things, the nda, they talked about these things going back years and years and years and it's kind of common practice when you're a celebrity but if there is no crime, if you're the defence, do you go after cohen? or do you just kind of let some of the stuff go? >> trace its a great question because my weakness in analysing

these thanks or my bias at least with respect to these things is i was a prosecutor for many, many years. i was not a defence lawyer, i wasn't someone who got hired to dismantle these stories. so as a prosecutor what you always think is if your story has any logical break point like if you do something and consistent, that in and of itself is doubt. you have to avoid that. you're story always has to be logically consistent. the defence doesn't need 12 jurors, they really only need 1. if they get 1 juror to vote to acquit and 1 vote to convict they can get a hung jury here which is essentially a victory. they don't have the same sort of incentive and obligation to keep everything logical so i think they are pushing on 2 different things that don't sit easily next to each other.

on the 1 hand area telling the jury everything is fine with non disclosure agreements which is completely true. on the other hand what they are basically saying is trump didn't know much about this and it was all cohen. if this was the prosecutor's case i'd be saying if the nondisclosure agreements are fine and i don't want to look like i'm trying to push trump away from them are create distance. but they are appealing to the jurors on 2 different grounds. they hope it will acquit because the nondisclosure agreements are illegal but they are also hoping they can reach 1 or 2 or more jurors who won't convict anyone on the basis of cohen. >> it is impressive because we are hearing these recordings, we now know michael cohen recorded on the trump and brought these thanks into his negotiations. this 1 is from september 6th 2016. it was played in court and here

it is will get your analysis. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer and fall regarding our friend david. i will do that right away i've spoken with allen weisselberg about how to set the whole thing up. with funding -- yes. >> he brings these into the negotiations as a way of saying look trump will pay out, he will pay this thing but you talk about attorney-client violations here and he. i mean it seems to have all the bells on that note. >> it sure does. there is nothing i am aware of trace that says you can't record a conversation with your client but ethically speaking you should tell the client you're going to record the conversation to begin with and the overarching thing here is there is a duty the fealty to the

client even if it's okay to do the recording hack your not supposed to use it in any way to undermine the client or go against the clients interest. i guess his rationalization here is he was helping trump because he wanted to have this recording to put pecker's mind at ease that he would actually be repaid. i don't think there's been any testimony that he actually played the recording for a pecker. but at least that's why he said he wanted to have it. i think it's vary strange to be recording your client this way. >> trace: it really is interesting. quickly tackle he about to go here cast but you're take. this case could be over very soon. you have this idea where the defence is going to say let's dismiss this thing, is there a possibility the judge says, yeah, he just have been shown enough for this to actually go to the jury. >> legally that is what should happen. there is no proof of fraud here

much less fraud that included violating the campaign laws they keep asking does this judge want to be the judge who throughout the case against judge especially when his daughter is a progressive operative who does work for the democrats who define themselves by loading drum. i find it hard to believe he is the guy who would do that. >> trace: it's very interesting. great to see you and you, rate analysis. meantime white michael collins said he secretly recorded that conversation with his client donald trump pack more on that with carrie joining us from courthouse next. >> we will be under the prism should that there is 1 tier of justice for all of us. what cent me to present needs to turn around and send this guy as well ♪ [cat meow] —is she? letting her imagination run wild even though she has allergies.

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right now the prosecution's star witness michael cohen is on the stand and has been testifying about setting up an llc you to pay stormy daniels. we are waiting to hear from him. he remains at risk of being thrown out of jail when he violates the gag order of this case but let's bring our editor craig great to see. we talk about this llc michael cohen set up he didn't put donald trump name on this. you think this is fascinating carrie and i want to know why. >> reporter: yes cohen testified he set up this llc to pay stormy daniels out of and set it up as a consultant. it was for real estate project, so to speak. you testified it was false and it was to pay the compensation for this nda. he was asked by the prosecution -- by the prosecution why he didn't put donald trump's name on it and he said it was to

protect him. you seem to make a face a couple thanks to note about this there is no evidence donald trump new there is an llc being set up to pay stormy daniels. it's important if they are testified was her fraudulent account. number 2 it's also clear even the bank new if he set up the account to pay stormy daniels that they would have said no you can't do that. it could have been a reputational concern they may have thought we aren't sure we want someone setting up an account to pay off a porn star but it's not necessarily illegal. certainly as we've discussed many times compensation for an nda in general is not a legal. again we don't at this point if trump knew anything about the ins and outs about how cohen set up the account. >> trace: and several times,

you made the point is not a legal. the questioning of michael cohen has gone on quite some time and the more they go over this nothing so far we've been that's illegal. the more they do this to the not open themselves up for a wider scope for the defence? or do you thank the defence actually comes in and they know precisely what targets they want to hit with michael cohen? >> i think everything michael conn has been testifying up to this point is pretty expected. i thank the defence artie had their arsenal of inconsistent statements and thanks he did in the past undercut what he's saying today today. he has had some bad things for trump. he said he told trump when he was with allen weisselberg that he was going to front this money to stormy daniels. it wasn't clear whether he told trump back i don't think he did testify that he was going to take out a home equity line and by that from his wife in order to pay stormy daniels. i would have been interested to see if he told donald trump that how he would've reacted given

it's a bit bizarre to go to those kinds of lengths to protect you're boss. so that is 1 aspect we artie predicted he was going to say. and another thing he said earlier today was trump only cared about the campaign as far as the impact of the stormy daniels story eric of course other witnesses said that was not the case. these are the kinds of statements and testimony we've been expecting from michael cohen all along and i suspect the defence tomorrow will come full throttle with how that does not match up with what he is said in the past. >> trace: it's interesting because today on cnn anthony was talking about how he thinks michael cohen learned his lesson about lying and therefore only speaks the god's honest truth and watch him and i will get your response. >> i see him as a reformed person. i see him that has artie paid a price for lying in court and i see it as a near impossibility that he would be lying about

this and i think he and the prosecutors build a good foundation of that today before the jury. so i think the facts michael is laying on irrefutable. >> irrefutable cocks of the defence should really not even give this thing a swing, what you think? his testimony, you talk how he is speaking very slowly and kind of going over this thing. dew you think it comes across as a credible witness in court? or do you think this is just the same old michael cohen telling the same old story? >> he is clearly practised a lot today it seems smoot and con. is deferential and respectful to the prosecutors questioning him. these are all things that would endure some into a journey. but as far as what was said about always telling the truth, that artie proved not to be the

case may be today and that he testified that when the karen mcdougall scheme fell through that he was happy because trump would be happy that he didn't have the pay that money anymore. that's strictly in opposition to eye david packer testify to a couple weeks ago. he said michael cohen went ballistic, he was angry and cursing saying my boss we'll be vary unhappy. so that's a big hole right there and that's from colin's own mouth. so interested to see if the defence we'll raise that tomorrow among other things. >> yes they've got all these contradictions to deal with. lastly carrie have you noticed something that's jumped out at you that you aren't expecting? you know the story backwards and forwards. is there something you weren't expecting here today that they kind of played up. >> i would say nothing other than cohen directly saying i told trump i was going to front the money, i told him after i wired the money to keep davidson

but that was predictable. we just haven't heard it directly from michael cohen yet. but again i think it will be interesting when that starts happening. >> trace: it will and maybe that will happen tomorrow. thank you carrie we appreciate you're time as always. meantime republican allies give former president trump a courthouse show of support as legal battles cut into campaigning. but not his poll numbers. >> greatly for the job and encamping these numbers are an absolute disaster. >> trace: we will have the crow road, cherry baker and philippe wright is coming up next larry bird's attic. and i'm goin' cuckoo. what the heck. what you got larry? may the best bird win. brick. you may be a legend on the court but you're an amateur up here. heads up lar. so get allstate... save money and be protected from mayhem...

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out on the campaign trail but of course he is here with this trial. >> the democrats are trying to beat president trump in the jury box because they can't beat him at the ballot box. >> trace: a show of support from republican lawmakers for former president donald trump as we wait to hear from him as his criminal trial continues. his new poll shows he is beating president biden in pennsylvania, arizona, michigan, gorge and nevada. he lost those states in 2020. the president is at head and wisconsin according to the new york times, philadelphia inquirer and siena college. let's bring in carl rowe former chief of staff and co. find toast cofounder and advisor at

american crossroads jerry baker. wall street editor at large both fox news contributors and former deputy assistant secretary of state philip grannis. now a solutions principle. you guys have a lot of stuff going on those are a lot of titles. carl to you first, it's amazing how we see in the former president in court 4 days a week he campaigns on the weekends and wednesday. but you look at the numbers with unique -- women voters, the unique thing is the poll was taken during stormy daniels testimony. you look in 2020 you had biden 55% trump 43% trump has stayed the same but biden dropped 7%. what do you make of that? >> a couple of thanks. if former president donald trump carried all the states he carried while losing in 2020 and added the states he is ahead in the polls today he would be at 302 electoral votes.

those 7 points are better he would be 283 which is well above 270. but you are right he is doing well today and is ahead if the election were today he would win. you put you're finger though on the 1 thing he is got to worry about, so far is more about joe biden dropping from where he was rather than donald trump rising above where he was in 2020. but i would rather have trump's numbers if the election were today he would win a smashing victory. >> trace: and by the way we note that is not live but the court is in a break for another 10 minutes and we will get back there in the meantime. jerry baker to you. carl made a good point,'s numbers and not really increasing. you have joe biden's numbers going down, is it beneficial or detrimental to trump? should his numbers be increasing if the former presidents are going down with women? >> it's clearly beneficial to trump on the basis of these numbers taking place while stormy daniels was testifying he

should spend every day between now and then in a courtroom it seems to be doing him a world of good. what's most interesting about the poll is the details when you look at the demographics here. in those 6 key states they aggregate the numbers and trump is doing incredibly well among ethnic minority -- ethnic minorities. it's really striking he's getting 40% plus in a straight head-to-head amongst hispanics and 20% plus among african-americans. what's particularly interesting is he is weigh ahead in those 3 sunbelt states that are there. and much closer in the 3 rust belt states. what's interesting is those 3 rust belt states with the most white voters are, in this kind of vary strange irony, you know, the democrats like to accused donald trump of being racist and all the things, joe biden is really only competitive in

states with large numbers of white voters. you will depend on those voters coming out to vote for him if he is to have any chance of winning the election. it's a remarkable political change. >> you talk about white voters and women voters leads us to. van jones on cnn said he is concerned about young voters. he knows the democratic party is split over what's happening in gaza but very much concerned about young voters and the economy. here is what he said. >> young people are upset and it's not just the situation in gaza. the economic prospects for young people are in miserable, they just do not have a pathway for young people to pay off their student debt and get a house. not yet hearing a full throated approach to the young people. there is a symbolic peace around student loans but that's not going to be enough for joe biden >> trace: and you look at the totality of polls you look at young people they are going to be huge, hugely important for

joe biden going into this election season. >> i don't know wants going on here i'm not going to pretend these numbers are good but i will say a few things, i agree with carl and jerry in the sense, and you and everyone else, if the election were tomorrow joe biden would probably not win. thankfully though there are 176 days between now and november 5th. also thankfully the president and his team are not sitting there, the not an up bubble thinking thanks are great. they know they have problems and they know where they have problems. i think they know they have their best hope bringing people home. i shouldn't be speaking for my fellow guests but i will for a second. what they aren't saying is that if it was anyone other than donald trump in this situation, they would probably be joe biden hands-down.

the truth of the matter here is the reason it is so tight and the reason neither of them are going everywhere even when joe biden goes down trump doesn't go up, it's because trump has really permanent problems there. we can joke about him sitting in trial all day and benefit from it but that's not what's happening. donald trump was rejected in 2020. 1306 electoral votes. people are going to be reminded about that and of why they didn't want him around. they might remember now some issues of the economy, thanks being okay but they didn't like the noise around him. they don't like this noise. we are all stuck with this choice. people generally like to look to the future and look at the past but we don't have that choice as quickly as we have in the past. these 2 general -- i'm sorry go-ahead. >> trace: i want to bring carl and on that point he is run these campaigns. to you carl you look at these numbers and i think 1 of the

most important numbers is how people look upon the is presidents. they don't look at joe biden's presidency has fed -- favourable yet when you go back the polls are showing they look at donald trump's presidency as favourable >> there are 3 thanks we've got to look up your you are right they look at donald trump's record as the time of good times and prosperity add relative peace. they look at joe biden as high prices and a world of war. they don't like that. the second dimension is on specific issues. they look at president biden's handling of inflation, immigration and the border, they don't like what they see. the final 1 is that this is not a popular choice but if you look at the underlying dimension, bill clinton used to say what was important was somebody who is strong versus weak for president. if you look at all the dimensions people see joe biden as to old and weak and they see

donald trump even with his flaws as strong. that's on all 3 dimensions biden is not doing well and he has had a year and have to try to change things. teen biden has been working at this and have come up with a half a dozen approaches none of which have worked. >> and that's the whole thing now you have the ladies at the view saying the reason biden isn't getting enough credit is the media is not covering the thanks he does. watch. >> we're in a camping we should be hearing more, we always say what we are from the joe biden administration, i don't leave that all on the ministry store. the media needs to cover thanks for example abortion is a winning issue for democrats. women's reproductive health. vice president harris did an event last week i can find any coverage on it and that's a democrats winning stands. >> what you think about that jerry queen. >> the media is so hostile to biden hand democrats. we got used to it over the years they blame the media. joe biden's problem in the country right now is underscored

by something else in that pole. the swing states not only for president show races but senate races. the swing vote states that have a senate race the democrat is winning in each of those races. the gap between biden's numbers and democratic senate numbers are huge. this really shows the extent to which this is a biden problem. biden is a deeply unpopular president who is running even behind his own party now in the presidential election year. >> and we just saw the former president walked out of court its a 10 minute break. brian 10 seconds to wrap it up. we are up against a heartbreak. >> i think of job and reminds people of what donald trump did and why he was thrown out of office at the same time, clearly and is sick simply saying what he wants to do for 4 more years he can win and bring people home. i hope that's what he does. >> trace: we shall see. thank you gentlemen we appreciated. to another case now senator bob

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michael cohen headed back to the stand at former prison terms criminal trial in new york city. that's bringing the former assistant to the general and former law clerk nucor such. gentlemen thank you for coming on. we are back in court and looks like michael cohen is back on the stand. the examination of him continuing. mike davis first, when you go over some of these thanks we've seen today, last week it was said trump was concerned about his family finding out about the whole stormy daniels thing. but then today cohen said no, he was mainly concerned about the campaign. what do you think of those contradictions? >> we have a businessman settling a nuisance claim. that's not illegal anywhere. and you have a convicted

perjurer and disbarred attorney peddling his book and making money off tick-tock trashing president trump coming in on this sham trial today after this by his prosecutor brought in a porn star stormy daniels before michael cohen today. this is a joke of a criminal case against president trump. he should not be in this courtroom during the middle of the presidential campaign. >> and we should know our producer put this at. cohen said at the time we are talking about when don't hundred 30,000 payment was made to 30 -- stormy daniels trump was pulling poorly with women trump stated it's a disaster to get control within and cohen said push it out as long as he can to get past the election if i went and has no relevance and if i lose i

don't even care. and again as mike was saying the nda's, these kinds of fix this thing is not legal correct? >> that is great. and bas are perfectly -- and he is our legal. today we are releasing what the prosecution's case is coming down to. the credibility of michael cohen. i think it should be obvious to anyone who's followed the trial it's a super risky strategy to say the least for the prosecution. to the extent the jury has questions about facts and credibility and evidence about what trump was thinking they are going to be weighing the testimony of michael cohen's own who served time in jail against the testimony of all these other witnesses who have not been convicted of lying under oath are serving time in jail i think it underscores the da has an uphill battle in trying to persuade the jury why they should believe someone like michael cohen. >> trace: and effect some other witnesses said this. talking about michael cohen and

you had pecker sang prone to exaggeration you had hicks sing used to like to call himself mr fix it but it was only because he first broke at. keith davidson his description of cohen quoting a hostile barrage of insults, insinuations and allegations. you was just screaming. and then gary barrow agrees with the defence attorney when asked if cohen is an aggressive guy. you have all these things. the people did not look kindly upon michael cohen he is a proven liar. very tough to convince a jury -- jury but what he's saying is both relevant and true. >> and he has a motivation to live. he was better trump did not bring him into the white house, this goofball thought he was going to be the white house council and now he is peddling his book and selling his tirades on tiktok. >> and you see anything cohen is testifying about that you find damaging?

you know, the only thing i can see here is the fact cohen is the first witnessed actually making an attempt to link trump to the stormy daniels payments. everything we have heard has been circumstantial evidence so i thank the prosecutors sea value in cohen because he was admittedly in contact with trump about these payments. but again if this case is going to come down to whether or not the jury believes what michael cohen says, when they understand he is testifying from appointive hatred and insincerity, i think they will take everything he says with several grains of salt. >> trace: shouldn't this case come down to a definition back it clear and hard definition of what the actual crime is? because we're still very vague on that. >> that's the problem, you have this corrupt manhattan democrat who should have recused under new york statute because his daughter is raising millions of dollars off this unprecedented

trial then you have alvin greg who campaigned on getting trump and bringing in aiko colangelo at number 3 official on the bite and trust department and they won't even tell trump what the legal obligations are in this case. we are in week 5 of this unprecedented criminal trial of a former president and likely future president. they won't even tell him what the legal allegations are so he can defend himself, this is a sham show trial. >> trace: the prosecution could really wrap up its case tomorrow tom and a lot of legal analysts from even liberal networks are saying we really don't know the actual crime. >> that's the thing and look honestly at something the da has faced a challenge from since the beginning. if the da is having trouble defining and persuading liberal commentators in the world that there is a crime here and explain his theory of the case and why what happen here amounts to a crime for which former president donald trump should be

incarcerated, if he can't explain to all of them how will he convince a jury that a crime was committed here? in other words he can convince the brightest legal minds of the world of a crime how on earth we'll you convince new yorkers in a jury box that a crime was committed here. that's the big challenge. >> trace: thank you for coming on we appreciate it. we are awaiting reaction from former president donald trump to the testimony of his one-time lawyer michael cohen and the ongoing new york criminal trial. we have more on this next. >> i know every night defence and prosecution is watching with -- do you ever think about -- >> i don't care there's nothing i would say. whatever they want to ask me they can ask orioles... what's missing? the andean condor? no, walnut-brain! pigeons! they'd rather name a team after socks! to be fair, we're not very athletic. higher shipping rates may be

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you 1 michael cohen is back on the stand right now and set former president donald trump's criminal trial. let's bring back anti-mac -- mccarthy fox news contributor. thank you for coming on. john first don't want to play some of this because the media has been discussing this, michael cohen's testimony the past hour, the media has a different take on his effectiveness. watch. >> 's demeanour has been flawless. >> subdued and exceedingly polite. >> poised car cool pack and collected. >> very measured. he was really careful. >> the fact he's been able to restrain himself so far today is breathtaking. >> trace: does the best they can come up with he is calm and collected and polite? >> that's because he is not testifying use performing. this is very well rehearsed and it will contrast vary nicely on

cross examination when get to bring out video of colin being a keyboard warrior wearing a superman t-shirt and a t-shirt with donald trump and an orange jumpsuit valley dissent had dig jail. it would be a nice stark contrast. >> i want your -- watcher analysis every day i find it instructive and i know we talked a lot about killing stories and an da's, but you believe what the prosecution is going for ultimately is a federal campaign finance crime. but were not really 100% sure on that. >> i'm sorry i lost 2 for a second. >> trace: so what i think is you have said and he that you believe what the prosecution is going for is a federal campaign finance crime. i wonder if you think they've gotten anywhere near showing that's what they are looking for and proving it is a crime? >> i'm sorry trace i missed part

of your question we went out for a second. >> trace: i was checking if you as you said earlier, were having audio problems, the federal campaign finance crime you thought is actually the ultimate crime that they are looking for, has that been proven? >> it hasn't and i'm glad you asked me about that because some people have said there's alternative theories that could be the state election law thing and i think it's a roundabout or camouflage way of repeating the federal campaign theory because in the state theory you have to influence an election by illegal conduct. the illegal conduct being discussed is federal campaign finance crime. so again you get to the same place. there is no evidence that trump was even thinking about the campaign laws. the strongest take on that would be if trump thought about the

campaign laws at all he would have used campaign funds to pay. >> trace: and when you look at the defence, we think they will pick up tomorrow are good morning, do you go after cohen? dew you tried to just distract him? or because of the lot of the thanks he is saying is not illegal deal at a pass? >> let's not fall into the trap the prosecution is trying to set for the jury and that is that this is illegal but it's not. however, i don't thank the defence is going to be able to give cohen a pass because he is so biased against trump and has such a sordid history and is such a lousy witness. they will probably want to drive that point home and to really make him cry on cross-examination, i'm not even being in a joking matter here. i inc. they will.

he is been on the stand since 9:30 am and again we have no evidence of any crime. >> trace: and modestly anti- about 30 seconds to thank alvin bragg is happy with the way this case has gone up to now? >> i can't imagine that and i think john is exactly right because this now comes down to if they are going to prove fraud, to have to prove it on his testimony, they've got nothing else the documents don't establish it. >> trace: you and he and john thank you both. are breaking can -- coverage continues as we await remarks from former president donald trump next

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>> the university of north carolina taken more than $2 million out of diversity equity and inclusion programs spent on public safety. board member state law enforcement needs more money after anti- israel protests on campus. we showed you how unc fraternity brothers protected

the american flag after demonstrators replaced it with the palestinian flag even as some protesters threw water bottles at them. a gofundme page with more than a half million dollars for their fraternity brothers to the -- i think it was to throw a big rage or permit before we go another life look at the courthouse in new york city where we expect former president donald trump to speak any moment now wants michael cohen's testimony reps for the day and will keep you up to speed on what happened there. meantime that is "the story" of monday, may 13th, 2024 but as always "the story" goes on. i will see you back here on snooze at night -- we are going to talk to a fifth-grade student who wanted to start a prayer group at school and was turned down. she fought back. it appears she might win. "your world," neil cavuto, starts right now. >> ♪ ♪ >> neil: donald trump's former picture