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♪ >> jesse: time now for "one more thing." greg? >> greg: what a show tom shillue, julie banderas, kat timpf, tyrus. that's tonight 10:00 p.m. tune in. >> jesse: unveiling a new series, wellness wednesdays where i tell you to ice plunge and eat raw fish. dana? [laughter] >> dana: four quadruplets in school in new jersey. i didn't think i would have time for mine. congratulations. look congratulate from the same college together. >> jesse: good job. judge? >> judge jeanine: i didn't think we had enough time. >> jesse: world record. for us have a good night. >> bret: i will wait for the judge to come up with something. >> judge jeanine: is that true i talk too much? >> bret: all right.
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i will do it. good evening, welcome to washington. i'm bret baier. breaking tonight, two big stories. first, challenge accepted. former president donald trump says he will meet president biden june 27th and september 10th, to debate. the insurgent president taunting predecessor and opponent on a video released this morning telling him to make my day, pal. the former president responding on truth social ending with "let's get ready to rumble" both accurate quotes by the way. president biden has agreed to two debates. president trump would like more. he has accepted three formal invitations and both men will debate on tv networks outside the nonpartisan presidential debate commission that had a long tradition of running three presidential debates and one vice presidential debate every cycle. also, we here at fox are releasing right now new fox
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polling indicating the race is tightening slightly among registered voters nationally while the president's support among core constituencies seems to be slipping. former president trump leads president biden 49-48. head to head right now. that's down from a 5 point advantage in march. the former president's lead in a five way race is three. down slightly but, again, all within the margin of error. voters are becoming more enthusiastic about participating in november, with 68% now saying they are extremely motivated. and debates, well, they make a difference. white house correspondent peter doocy leads us off tonight live from the north lawn. good evening, peter. >> good evening, bret. president biden has struggled to change the subject and control news cycles lately. but he did it today. getting donald trump to agree a letter full of ground rules and a 14-second long video invitation that came complete with a reference to dirty harry. >> make my day, pal.
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i will even do it twice. >> peter: now there is one debate scheduled for trump even accepts the republican nomination and one after. >> we are pleasantly surprised. >> president biden's push to debate comes as brand new fox polls out tonight show he is sliding with key groups since october 2020, is he down 7 points with black voters, 7 points with suburban women and 13 points voters under 130. biden seen as doing better job on abortion, healthcare and election integrity while trump is seen stronger on foreign policy, crime, the economy and immigration. trump leads biden on 9 points on mental soundness to serve. >> obviously it's uphill for president biden or he wouldn't be debating in the first place. >> i myself would never recommend going on the stage with donald trump. >> the campaigns are also cutting out the commission on presidential debates. its chairman sounds skeptical these debates will help the process. >> if they can do it, god bless
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them. >> biden and trump somewhat important to 79%. 69% think it's important to include r.f.k. jr. but is he not. accusing biden and trump of collusion saying by excluding me from the stage, presidents wind and trump seek to avoid discussion of their eight years of mutual failure, including deficits, wars, lockdowns, chronic disease, and inflation. >> we have to stop wasting time in front of the american people with individuals who have no chance. >> shouldn't offer from the president to debate as signal that you guys realize you need to change the subject after some really bad polling. >> you know, we had a back and forth on polling yesterday. he is laser-focused on making sure we do everything that we can to give people, americans, a little bit of breathing room. >> the trump team is still pushing for more than two debates. a few minutes ago in the cabinet room i had a chance to ask president biden if he will do a third debate. he just laughed, didn't say anything.
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he also just laughed at a question about why he doesn't want to debate r.f.k. jr. bret? >> bret: peter doocy live on the north lawn. peter, stand by if you would. >> make sure you in fact let people know your senator. >> not going to answer the question. >> not going to answer the question. >> the question is. >> supreme court justice radical left. >> will you shut up, man? >> that was a segment, wasn't it? keep yapping, man. >> people understand, joe. >> 47 years you have done nothing. they understand. >> well, it is going to happen. at least twice. maybe more, we'll see. "new york times," biden and trump agree to a debate on june 27th. mr. biden and top aides want the debates to start much sooner than the dates proposed. they want the debate to occur inside a tv studio with microphones that automatically cut off when a speaker's time limit elapses. they want it to be just the two candidates and the moderator without the raucous in person
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audiences that mr. trump feeds on. all of that agreed to by the former president. let's bring in our panel early tonight to digest all of this. byron york chief political correspondent of "the washington examiner." axios political reporter stef kight and still with us peter doocy live from the north lawn. how do you take this? obviously cnn on june 27th. abc on september 10th. we don't know the other structure. we had the former president agree to a debate with fox. the biden team did not. where do you see this? >> well, on the substance of it, this is a good thing and both sides are right. the commission on public debates really is kind of presidential debates is really kind of outdated with millions and millions of americans voting early. we needed earlier debates so that they can vote after they have seen a debate and not before the debate. substance wise, it's a good thing. on politics, if you are a republican, i think you are a little disappointed by. this it's clear that biden took
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the initiative in this. trump seemed to be following it. biden seemed to be driving this car all day. i think that you will see republicans questioning. they don't like cnn. they really don't like abc. they will be questioning why president trump agreed so quickly to do it this way. >> bret: i pointed out that the former president did agree to a fox invitation for a debate. once that all started we invited both president biden and former president trump. the biden campaign put out a statement saying donald trump has a long history of playing games with debates, complaining about the rules, breaking those rules. goes on to say no more games, no more chaos. no more debate about debates. we will see donald trump on juns up. the trump campaign, the former president has said any time, any place. and it seemed like he was accepting all offers. this morning when it all came to be. >> yeah. pretty remarkable to see it play out this morning. it seemed like we were all watching this green light come together on social media live.
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the way it came together kind of signaled that there had to have been back channeling between the two campaigns. i know reportedly both campaigns had kind of decided to try to work around the commission this time and reach some kind of agreement. and, to byron's point, it's pretty interesting to see the way that biden has tried to take the lead on this. after so much time of trump telling him he was willing to debate any time, any place. trump has been the person kind of pushing for this debate up until now and to see the biden campaign to take ownership of this and trump go along with it is pretty interesting and seeing the way that trump has kind of already said, you know, biden is the worst debater in history. we have seen trump kind of saying that he is very confident going into this. >> bret: peter, it is interesting and to the point of your question about dealing with tough polls and some places that maybe the polls haven't been tough before, and especially on different items, the economy, immigration, crime. what about the thought process
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that there was a group inside the white house and inside the campaign that really didn't want president biden to have to face debates? everybody we talked to at the white house and folks in wilmington it never felt like the overall biden world conglomerate thought there would be a benefit to him participating in debates until he went on howard stern a week and a half ago and said that he was going to do it. and seems like at that moment the biden campaign and their trump counterparts started talking about ways to make it happen. it's going to be something though, because both of these men are very out-of-practice. remember there were a lot of complaints from republicans that trump wouldn't participate in primary debates this time so he hasn't debated in four years. and there were complaints by some of the democratic challengers president biden wouldn't get in and debate in the prime matters this year. so he hasn't debated in four years. president biden's engagement off
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script has been limited to. early during his time in office he would often engage with lengthy q&as for 5, 10, 15 minutes. he doesn't really do that anymore. a lot of the interviews that he does are really short. yesterday, they put out the full length of a yahoo finance interview. it was two minutes and 40 seconds long. so that is a lot less depth than there is going to be in one of these debates. >> that was shorter than the first answer in my interview with president obama. i know that for a fact. i think i timgd it at 3:30. speaking of the commission on presidential debates. frank fahrenkopf chairman was on with martha earlier and here's what he had to say. >> we volunteer our time and energy to make sure in a nonpartisan way that debates are held. we are still waiting there do you anticipate this may blow up when they really start hall gling over the details and they may come back to you. >> it's happened before. in the past there has been this sort of thing and they have come
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back. two tv networks. abc has committed byron to simulcast to other networks. in other words, other people will be able to see it other places. cnn has not yet said that this changes the dynamic for how it is digested by americans and american voters possible a lot fewer people could end up seeing this and what you. to happen and martha's question was spot on because when you had an official body, the commission free for all. last thing i would say why biden did this so quickly, our poll today nationally is extremely close. but he is in bad shape in a number of super important key states. and there is two things. he is not doing well in and a lot of people have already made
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up their minds. and that hardening of positions continues from now all the way through election day. so the earlier he can possibly shake up the race, make a change with a debate performance probably the better for him. >> bret: here is the biden campaign on r.f.k. jr. being excluded from these debates. >> we have to stop wasting time in front of the american people with individuals who have no chance. the american people deserve to hear directly uninterrupted from the two individuals that have an opportunity to be like the president of the united states. and r.f.k. is not one of them. >> if you are joe biden, you are going to want him on the debate stage. i think there will be a point in the fall that they will actually see that as an asset. i'm in the minority on this. >> bret: he is in the minority on this. r.f.k. jr. says it's all part of a deal keep him off of the debate stage. if he made it above 5%, for example. he might be included. >> yeah. the reality is you have seen both the biden campaign and trump campaign kind of go after r.f.k. jr. as we have seen him kind of tick up in the polls and impact both campaigns at
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different points in this cycle. so, you know, perhaps the biden administration -- or the biden campaign did not want r.f.k. on the stage. the trump campaign may have also agreed to that it may not have been surprise going they agreed let's move this up early. make this in june to make sure it's just trump vs. biden on that stage. >> bret: we will cover it all. it's fascinating to sees a it developed today. panel, thanks. we will see you later. this afternoon house lawmakers heard from jewish students at two of the schools where anti-israel protests have caused major problems. chief washington correspondent mike emanuel has that report tonight. >> with pro-palestinian protests ongoing, today at nyu's graduation. [chanting we want free palestine] >> two ivy league students came to capitol hill to draw attention on anti-semitism on their college campus. there were pro-palestinian protesters with symbolic blood on their hands. a university of pennsylvania senior shared experiences from that campus.
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>> while students walk to class, they are met with masked individuals screaming at them, quote: go die, you are hitler's children and nazis are. >> a harvard divinity student recalled fellow harvard students referring to jews as, quote, bloodthirsty vipers. >> i have seldom experienced such disdain and disregard minority group in which harvard treats its jews at harvard. >> the new fox poll reveals one third supports the campus protest while 60% oppose them. treatment of the jewish students but offered this distinction. >> criticism of israel's government or political criticism of zionism on the college campus is not inherently anti-semitic. >> rabbi called on to act. >> not all anti-zionism is anti-semitism but most of it is. >> measures to reduce anti-semitism yet critics blasted the president's slow response and lack of public
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comment, which he tried to clean up. >> the harvard students said for a jewish american in 2024 to receive equity, equality, or justice, they have to go congress and file lawsuits because his own school's leadership is not responsive. bret? >> bret: mike emanuel, thanks. coming up, we go inside the latest inflation numbers to see how they may effect you and your family. keep it here. ♪ kayak. i like to do things myself. i do my own searching. it isn't efficient. use kayak. i can't trust anything else to do the job right. aaaaaaaahhhh! kayak. search one and done.
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♪ >> bret: house republicans are going after president biden and his democratic colleagues over the perception that the president is politically vulnerable on the law and order issue. teeing up several crime related bills as president biden visits capitol hill for police week. congressional correspondent aishah hasnie has details tonight. >> every time you put on that shield and walk out of the house, your family wonders if that call will come. >> as president biden honored fallen police officers outside capitol hill. >> these asinine policies that seek to vilify them. >> house republicans begin debate on a series of crime related bills inside condemning what they call the democrats' soft on crime policies. >> we'll be voting to deport
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illegal aliens who assault law enforcement. boy, we sure hope everybody votes for that one. >> that bill allows ice to arrest illegal immigrants charged with assaulting cops. and it comes after police say a group of migrants attacked two nypd officers in times square earlier this year. according to the "new york post," six of those suspects were offered plea deals that include jail time. democrats are whipping against these bills, hitting back at republicans by invoking the january 6th capitol riot. >> it's a little more difficult when they want to try to white wash what happened when they will stand with some law enforcement but they won't stand with others. >> the fbi just unveiled new data showing more officers were killed from 2021 to 2023 than in any other consecutive three year period in the past 20 years. d.c. police union chairman gregory pemberton says legislation is important but so is sending a strong message that both sides back the blue.
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>> policing has been politicized. all we are trying to do here is go out, find people who violated the law, and bring them in the criminal justice system to hold them accountable. >> bret, tonight some rare bipartisan as we watch the house take votes on these bills. house republicans, i can tell you, just passed the d.c. crimes act with the help of 18 democrats. that's a big deal. and the detain and deport illegal immigrants bill for attacking cops, that one also just passed with bipartisan fashion with the help of 54 democrats. unclear if the senate will actually take these bills up. but, quite a bit of bipartisan here tonight. bret? >> bret: aishah hasnie live on the hill. thanks. a judge un in washington under e about posts about being woke and the release of a teenager accused of firing more than two dozen rounds on a busy street right here near the u.s. capitol. here is correspondent griff jenkins. >> it's a chilling image,
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18-year-old captured on surveillance video spraying a busy d.c. neighborhood with more than two dozen rounds last month just a mile from the u.s. capitol. amonth at a moody now released on bail ahead of his trial. d.c. superior court judge lloyd nolan online presence being woke, supporting blm and donating to groups with ties to george soros felt moody pose 2340d threat to the community and let him walk. >> it happens every day in d.c. the media can't cover all the crime stories. >> reluctant federal prosecutor sets cullingy stimpson a former prosecutor in the u.s. attorney's office for d.c. now working for a conservative think tank. >> you have a u.s. attorney who is the chief prosecutor who doesn't take matt graves is a disgrace. he has been abysmal chief prosecutor now the reports from
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the d.c. sentencing commission shows just that. >> griff: that sentencing commission report shows graves' office declined, dropped, or pled down 2262 gun cases over the past two years. and outright declined to arrests for felony gun possession last year. but graves, who opposes judge nolan's release of moody on bail is calling for a hearing next week to overturn the order and has defended his office's efforts to reduce violent crime. >> keeping the community safe. doing our part in keeping the community safe is our number one area of focus. >> people here are concerned about public safety, a new "the washington post" poll shows 96% of d.c. residents consider crime a serious issue. >> bret? >> bret: griff, thanks. we have new data tonight on the number of migrants who are able to allude capture as they illegally crossed from mexico into the u.s. customs and border protection figures obtained exclusively by fox news show massive increases coinciding with president
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biden's years in office. the number of got-aways during the previous decade averaged about 128,000 per year. fiscal year 2021 a surged to 387,000. the year after, 606,000. and last fiscal year almost 671,000 encounters. we break down today's inflation report and what it means for you in some common ground. ♪
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economy and despite some tightening in the overall head-to-head number in our poll. there is tough news from president biden in that poll concerning the economy. 64% of the registered voters surveyed say their family feels things are getting worse, just 30% say they are getting better. 6% say it's about the same new government statistics show the rate of inflation is down slightly after three straight elevated ratings. but prices still roz three tenths of a percentage point from still too high for the federal reserve to even consider a rate cut or reducing that rate even though this was a decrease in inflation. still voters are feeling pinked here. in fact, all prices are up about 19 percent since the month president biden took office
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people are paying 21% more in the grocery store and 38% more for energy in that time frame. now the former ceo of carl's jr. says all of this could effect the election. >> until they start seeing it at the gas pump and grocery store that their costs are coming down, they're not going to change their opinion of biden or how he is handling the economy. the impact on consumers should have a huge effect come november. >> so the fox news polling now shows that grocery prices, gas prices and utility prices are energy costs are by far the top three problems for registered voters. in remessaging the economy, president biden misrepresented inflation. >> two times in the past two books the president said inflation was 9% when he came into office. is the president miss informing americans on that or does not realize inflation was 1.4% when he came into office? >> you know and thank you for the question. the point that he was making that he was making the factors that caused inflation was in
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place when he walked to the administration, when he took office. >> now inflation at 9.1% in june of 2022, that's about 18 months after president biden took office. now, for 20 months now, 29 months, actually, we have been hearing president biden say that fighting inflation is his number one priority. bret? >> all right, edward, thank you. former governor larry hogan easily won the primary in maryland. nominated angela alsobrooks for retiring ben car den. in west virginia jim justice won the senate primary. he # will face democrat glenn elliott the mayor of wheeling, west virginia. they are seeking to replace retiring democrat joe manchin. >> the fact is that everything he is saying so far is simply a lie. i'm not here to call out his lies everybody knows he is a liar but i want to make sure. >> now are the liar. >> i want to make. >> last in your class not first in your class.
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>> oh, god. >> bret: well, that was the debate. it's going to happen very soon. about a month and a half. "new york times" why biden wanted to debate trump early and why trump saying yes. tens of millions of dollars of advertising has not changed president biden's polling deficit. donald j. trump's criminal trial has not altered the race's trajectory. biden's significant cash and infrastructure have yet to pay dividends. on wednesday, the one weekday mr. trump is not confined to a courtroom the biden campaign shook up the race publicly offering to bring forth the first presidential debate by three months. the move was meant to jolt americans to attention sooner than later about consequential choice in 2024. with that bring in minnesota democratic congressman former presidential candidate dean phillips. congressman, thanks for joining us. >> good to be with you, bret. >> bret: what do you make of the shakeup, the early debate. two on the books. the former president has agreed to three, including one invitation from us. what do you make of that?
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>> well, what i make of it, first, is hallelujah. debate is the vitamin of democracy. it wasn't long ago, bret, that it seemed like there may not be a debate for the first time in modern history between the two major party candidates. so it is good. wwould i preferthat the commissn presidential debates continued their nonpartisan hosting and, perhaps, include third party candidates? of course. because 25 to 30% of the country right now plans not to vote for either president biden nor former president trump. but, a step in the right direction. and i just hope that we actually see legitimate policy debate, not just arguments and talking over each other. >> bret: yeah. as it stands right now, the former president has agreed to the rules put forward by the biden campaign. cnn will have the first debate. abc the seconds. abc has agreed in a statement to simulcast to all networks. in other words, all americans will see it on every channel. cnn has not yet.
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what would you say. >> more people that see debate deliberation. in the absence i think dome crazy dies. i would like to see that feed available to all networks as widely as possible so more people can see. two major party candidates will be on teenage but 25 to 30% of the country right now is indicating they are not for either of them and that's why i think it would be better to actually include in this case r.f.k. jr. who a lot of people are supporting. i think would be thoughtful engaging. the more the better, competition is good, bret. i have seen too many efforts to diminish it rather than promote it. >> bret: peter doocy at the white house tried to get president biden on that he earlier. take a listen. >> r.f.k. jr. [shouting] >> thank you, thank you, everyone. appreciate it. >> that's a no? >> thank you. >> bret: said do you want to debate r.f.k. jr.? he just smiled and kind of laughed there. i want to talk to you about
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maybe another reason that president biden did this to shake things up. if you look at minnesota from 2020, your state, it went to president biden 52.5 to 45.4. right now, in the general election, rcp, real clear politics average is 43 to 40.7 in blue minnesota. >> well, minnesota is in play, bret. just like a lot of states that i think a lot of my fellow democrats don't want to face is reality. president trump came close in 2016. didn't do as well four years later. i'm telling by democratic colleagues who are supporting president biden, myself included, that there's a lot of work to do. minnesota, wisconsin are going to be bellwether states. i think a lot of people are going to be staying home. there is a lot of competition with the couch. mark my words, we will see a lot of surprises, i think, unless there is a major course correction. acknowledgment of inflation, the
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immigration crisis, and real attention to addressing both of those issues absent that it's going to be a wipe out. >> bret: why do you think the shift is happening? the rally we saw in new jersey and those polls are said to be single digits now as well. >> bret, the numbers are not reflecting this many of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle have been feeling this many, many months. certainly i have in minnesota. conversations with center right, center left voters in minnesota are telling me regularly that they are shifting perspectives. that's why i ran for president to shake up the democratic primary. that's why i have been encouraging the biden campaign to really wake up to reality because if minnesota is that tight, rest assured the rest of the country is heading in the same direction. >> bret: last thing, quickly, how much do you think the israel-hamas situation and the biden administration's policy or talking about that has effected numbers? >> let me start by saying, bret, i think president biden has done a very good job of supporting our ally and friend israel. i think he made a misstep, of course, last week withholding
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some arms shipments but i'm very pleased with his support. clearly a young progressives are dismayed and frankly i think now the president has kind of offended those on both sides of this issue. but, he can recapture that. i do believe he is principled in his support for israel. but i'm afraid that this is looking awfully like 1968 with a lot of anger and angst and disenfranchisement that i think are going to play out on tv this summer and it's going to be awfully con ten shus. >> bret: 1968 was in chicago. democratic convention. you think it could look a little like that. >> i think it can and frankly i think it would be in the best interest of the democratic party to forego the convention and focus on campaigning i don't see any way it could be creative to the issue of winning the next election. >> bret: interesting. congressman dean phillips, thank you for the time. >> thank you, bret. >> bret: up next how artificial intelligence is shaping modern warfare the panel is back with a deep dive in today's fox polls just releasing plus the debate. ♪
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>> bret: ukraineing forces battling troops. zelenskyy says he will postpone all his upcoming foreign trips
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because of that. visiting secretary of state antony blinken is seeking to reassure ukraine of continuing american support announcing a $2 billion arms deal. most of that money comes from a package approved by congress last month. also today, russia's president vladimir putin landed in beijing for a two-day state visit to china. >> bret: tonight we examine how artificial intelligence is warfare. rolled out $32 billion to try to keep the u.s. ahead of china. senate majority leader chuck schumer says china is spending 10 times more than the u.s. on development right now. meanwhile, two of the company's developing high tech weapons systems are show case e. casing their work using ai to the country's top military leaders. chief national security correspondent jennifer griffin takes a look from the pentagon.
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>> it is either we own ai or our adversaries and russia own ai. >> modern warfare revolutionized by artificial intelligence. >> our adversaries have as long tradition of being not interested in the rule of law. not interested in fairness. not interested in human rights. and and on the battlefield it really is going to be us or them. we have to come to nate then set a rule of law. which is what we did in post war war 2 nuclear war head. >> producer of leading software far outpacing china and russia alex carp cow founder of palin tier technology used in the ukraine and the middle east. >> do you think you can prevent a war with china? >> the way to prevent a war with china is to ramp up not just ball len tier defense tech startups that produce software
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mixed reality head set from palin tier available air assets enemy targets and supply roots in 3-d but fear that ai could lead to killer robots and taking out of anxiety and threats of regulation that worries american innovators, former intelligence analyst shannon clark says it targeting technology would have helped shorten the war in iraq and average. >> what was done in days or weeks is now done in minutes. i had a general say it doesn't matter if i have 50 targets i need to know what ammo. >> software by tech companies can streamline supply chain something that will be needed in the pacific. this simulation shows how pal alan tier software can find cargo ship hiding in busy lanes. >> all about scale.
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you are not going to be able to do this. you need machine learning how do we get through this fastest. >> pentagon is taking note. >> not second place. putting best food further to make sure we are going to win. >> in washington, jennifer griffin, fox news. >> bret: up next, we bring back the panel on the presidential debates. the new fox polls will dig. in first, beyond our borders tonight. slovakia populist prime minister robert battles for his life after being wounded in a shooting following a political event today. slovakian tv station says fechuch co-was hit in the stomach after for shots were fired. about 100 miles northeast of the capitol. a suspect has been detained in that assassination attempt. and this is a live look at rio de janeiro courtesy of the beach there of earth cam. one of the big stories there tonight, brazilian lawmakers declare a dance style, intangible cultural heritage in the state of rio.
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>> $7 trillion budget up unpopular, immigration border for most people seems to be unpopular. pushing evs and not giving people a choice unpopular. he has got some real issues there that he is going to have to figure out how to present to the american people. obviously it's up hill for president biden or he wouldn't be debating in the first place. >> bret: former clinton adviser mark penn there talking on "america's newsroom" the new fox polls who do you trust to do a better job on all of these issues as you see president biden with higher numbers on abortion, healthcare, election integrity but former president trump on foreign policy, crime, the economy at 55-42. immigration 56-41. as you look at these numbers, these will be topics for two debates that have been agreed to so far. we just had democratic congressman dean phillips on about the need for those debates to be out and about.
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>> more people that see conversation debate deliberation the better. in the absence, i think democracy dies, i would like to see that feed available to all networks as widely as possible so that more people can see. >> bret: okay. let's bring in our panel. morgan ortagus joins us. host of the sirius xm. we bring back byron york, chief political correspondent of "the washington examiner" and axio political reporter stef kight. okay, morgan, i d i didn't herey from you before? about this move about the debates. seemed like president biden came out swinging today and they agreed to two of them so far. >> not going by the debate commission is he ensuring he doesn't have to be on stage with r.f.k. which was still, you know, unknown if he would meet that polling threshold. so he gets the matchup that i think he likely wanted which is the one-on-one with trump. you know, from the trump campaign perspective, but what they messaged today she seem itching for these debates as well. love to turn the tide away from talking about what is going on
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in new york. i think they will use the debate as an opportunity to focus in on the things that fox polling shows that voters care about most. and that's the economy, that's inflation, that's the border and, of course, the war and chaos going on around the world. and so president biden is going to have a very, very tough record to defend. if you ask voters are you better off four years ago economically? do you feel safer than you were four years ago? i don't think there is a lot of people that could answer yes to both of those questions. >> bret: stef, as did you go into details what the biden campaign pitched and former president agreed, to it's sitting at a table without an audience. and the moderators have the ability to cut off the mics when the time is expired for the person answering the question. that's different. what you are. >> what we have seen both campaigns both trump and biden feel that when voters see them on stage next to each other that they are going to come out on top. we think that the trump campaign
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thinks that biden will seem elderly or stumbling. they are hoping that he messes up on his words that trump comes across as, you know, the stronger candidate. at the same time, biden campaign is hoping to make this election again a referendum on trump. that's what biden did in 2020 and he wants to do that again. he wants to again put the focus back on trump and show remind people who trump is. a lot of personality and biden is hoping to draw a more favorable contrast there as well. >> bret: we have a lot of time before june 27th, byron. before the state of the union address there was this lower exception for president biden and it was like if he made it down the aisle it was a win. to the podium there. now, the former president put out a statement saying if he cn string two sentences together and make it to the stage. you wonder what the exceptions will be for president biden once he gets to this debate. >> i don't know why donald trump does that when you are playing the bad team, don't you say boy, they are really good. they are really tough. it will be a tough fight for us? i don't know why he says that
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because if joe biden just comes out and doesn't drool or fall over himself than he has passed donald trump's standard. before the first debate the last time around 2020. a lot of republicans had convinced themselves that biden was in such bad shape that he might not even know where he was. now he had been in 11 democratic debates. he didn't do well in them but goat through them all that was a crazy idea to have. they should not think that this time. >> bret: plie a soundbite from dean phillips about the democratic convention in chicago. take a listen. >> this is lookingul like 1968 with a lot of anger and angst and disenfranchisement that i think are going to play out on tv this summer and it's going to be awfully contentious. >> bret: 168 was in chicago. the democratic convention. do you think it could look a little like that? >> i think it can and, frankly, i think it would be in the best
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interest of the democratic party to forego the convention this year and focus on campaigning because i don't see any way it can be a credo to the mission of winning the next election. >> bret: i don't know i was in the two box you can see my face go wow, really? >> i had the same reaction. i even asked someone did i hear that connect correctly that's pretty shocking. at the end of the day i don't think they will do it but that is really showing how worried democrats are about their own convention. listen, republicans know that there is going to be protesters as well. they have also dealt with it. but, for serious democrat to suggest that they forego the convention just shows how high level the concerns are. and especially the concerns are going to be with all of the factions of the base that biden is not performing well with at the moment. >> bret: i mean, it's august, of course you could see a cease-fire, i suppose. the way things are going between israel and hamas anding inations it does seem like that. could be pretty tough. >> we are expecting to see protesters, again, in chicago for the democratic convention.
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but we also know that republicans are also preparing for protests at the republican convention as well. majority leader mitch mcconnell actually requested that there be more space around the republican convention as well. it doesn't seem like these protests are going away any time soon. and democrats, of course, in particular, are very concerned about how that is hurting them with young voters, more progressive voters. they don't want this to be an issue. so it will be interesting to see whether we hear from more democrats who agree with. >> bret: all right, panel, thanks. a little bit of a different show today. thanks for rolling with the punches. tomorrow on "special report" our series looking at toxic sites continues. linked to radiation exposure head to washington to call for a vote on a compensation bill. if you can't catch us live set your dvr. thanks for inviting us into your home tonight fair, balanced and unafraid. here's laura. >> laura: good evening, everyone. i'm laura ingraham. this is "the ingraham angle" from washington tonight. more cocaine found in a