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i'm not going to bore you with the jury instruction budget lawyers budging with words like willful unlawful and intent an important shortcoming it kind of like bill clinton once testifying that it depends on the meaning of it is will you should lines come up for two crucial developers be for the both sides in the 2012 rested their case without testimony from double trump in the defense calling just one major witness. it is like that with me applies but michael cohen, lying to congress and lying to going to the breast, all of that was to come of the bombshell was this come up former fix it cross-examination that he was supposed to pay $50000 per contractor culprit hired to soften the impact of - polls for trump in: testified give the companies must $20000 in cash in a brown paper bag, not too suspicious right, and he kept the other $30000 and you stole from the trump organization right trump lawyer asked me said

yes cohen replied and even liberal commentators called to save this devastating blow to cohen's credibility making him looking very greedy crook who would lose money even from his ex-boss. in a defense witness was robert costello who represented point for humans and he said that he told him that the former present knew nothing about the hush money reimbursement and when costilla might make a deal with the prosecutors by bringing in truthful information about the president, he's in the cohen replied that i sorta got god bob, i don't have anything i know what an donald trump an obvious lie if he said that the costello was so angered the judge by muttering things like, ridiculous and staring at the judge that he said, you do not give me side i and you don't roll your eyes and he was so upset that he clear the courtroom in a bit of a debacle for the defense pretty closing arguments are tuesday but that media fixated on this question, what was the crime here and did the d.a. alvin bragg come close to proving it. and i am howard kurtz and this

is mediabuzz. howard: a headline interview with north dakota governor and contender doug burka part in could not be further apart on hush money trial. >> you look at fox and they say oh well if michael cohen is a liar michael cohen is a thief and then you turn and you say to nbc and they say well, lying makes you more believable and is not ceiling homages rebalancing the bonus that you thought you were out about that he's actually been bending over backwards going to be fair to the defense of the defense cannot stand him. >> unfortunately for bragg is our witness has been a complete unmitigated disaster and cohen even admitted to having a financial interest in the case can make that up either to the case against donald trump is not rest on the just money just of michael cohen nearly everything that he's testify to its already

been collaborated by evidence entered into the record by other witnesses and documents and e-mails and text messages and audio recordings i michael cohen, the liar on the taxi bader in a thief has zero credibility there was no other crime, hey hush money is on the campaign contribution and michael cohen kept his cool, for an entire week, bob costello, a longtime respected attorney, he blew up the entire courtroom sue and donald trump spoke to reporters every day by from these comments about the judge. trump: and so the judge he said take a look at this, take a look at this at where he comes from. any cannot stand donald trump. howard: 20 is now to analyze this coverage is mary catherine him go as of podcast, getting hammered in charleston south carolina kevin and self-described, bided democrat judge by the way came to the u.s. from columbia when he was

sick so married how badly was he admitting that he still this money from trump organization $30000 to the point where as i said in the commentators are saying this coming it looks awful. mary: i think that is a problem when you are tens of thousands of dollars that you have stolen and as i believe they noted, that came out of the pocket trump supposed to have known about right and so if trump has knowledge of this and this man is stealing from him, surely, like that would mean something in practice look, i think he shot his own credibility, many times over. in the important part of evaluating coverage of the trial is that people who are evaluating the trial from inside the room coming can you trust them to evaluate trustworthiness and how in the bank are they for wanting trump to be convicted and frankly, a lot of the media that is the issue because a lot of issues for the past since trump came into the scene as if you are against him, then you are automatically trustworthy is underway should operate where

your clapper or brennan or cohen and you should be evaluated based on your behavior in that instance. howard: i was over cameras so we can make our own judgments rather than having to rely the media reports and kevin, was as a failure by the prosecution what you did bring up the i'm stealing i guess the only operative verb here, from the trump organization but is such a lucky way and not make any news you see this particular theft under theft is being in a different category than all the other lies that we sort of knew about going in and that is long admitted to. kevin: yes there's no defending michael cohen or his character, whatsoever whether you are democrat or a republican on this issue and you know i think interesting enough, you saw the testimony from cohen on the stand enough from the defense and where we've got to look at this through the eyes of those 18 americans and 12 of whom will make the ultimate decision likely this week and you know he almost that biden and admitted

that to become i'm trump, collected almost formed you know not allies with the jury but seem more sympathetic and i think to some of the individuals on the tree because again we have to look at this through the lens up that your really by admitting to all of this by saying, yes, i did all of this and, yes, i felt i was of this and, yes, i was upset about my bonus and it almost makes someone who has zero character like michael cohen, almost no more understanding character on the sand c1 with the das office try to give cohen a spin he said well, i engaged in little self-help gives therapy. mary: i wish i could do the same but you know this is the point right and not sure how synthetic it makes you because those people in the jury would likely have to pay a price for that with the legal system or as michael cohen had given been given special treatment here suet so married catherine on the robert castillo clearing the courtroom and he had a came in with a big chip on the shoulder, i don't think you could argue is right for the defense but i was

struck by the fact that the judge considered not allowing him to testify at all did fitnes after stormy daniels and hope pics and all of the others but i think that dave concluded that might be something that you could lose on appeal if you love somebody like that coming. mary: is a great look of judge my understanding was controllers courtroom does not want to be disrespected there and i think even if you think that the judge is against you which i think were associated in the direction of the defense a couple of times on this trial. you still sort of keep a lid on it there's a lot of mechanics in this case pretty i believe trump and mershon might be to have that. [laughter] howard: and so kevin costello claims that trump told him excuse me that cohen said that trump told him that he did not know anything about any money reimbursement which is of course, to the key of the case. and so on that, is michael cohen admitted liar convicted perjury is the word guess that robert

costello. >> exactly right and you get is up to the jury to decide to the five credible in the situation. kevin: i think we seen everyone change their story as part of this from the former president then of course stormy daniels sunny david is never happened michael cohen denying shortly after his office was ready to castillo that the former president did not know he thing about this and everyone change their story as part of this is going to be up to these 12 members of the jury to decide of these all of these liars in this case, who is the least likely to be lying when it comes to this situation see what was the biggest lying liar in a sea of lies okay i think that most splendid went into this thinking anti- trump manhattan jury slamdunk conviction but now, i think that maybe not so sure. now we've actually trial as kevin points out is up to the 12 jurors. mary: the prosecution has to do

the work right in thinking he got into the car and perhaps because it's a manhattan jury, that he did not have to present all that and i'm just going to cut do like but this guy ziggy the judge credible access the site about how icky he is not stormy daniels talk it and then this jury will decide that he's icky the sand of the night but that might actually work and i also think there's a real problem when you get to appeal the fact that like do we have an announcement unit with the secondary crime is or the original committee is supposed to be. howard: violating new york state election law about which we for nothing that i can remember. mary: for like can present this party farmer in the jury not sympathetic to them in general but i would be synthetic in this case. howard: is a key illegal term. mary: well i'm a lawyer i'm trump not trained for that but it's to me while the most of the case. howard: but for me now, when people are still debating what is a crime to has to be connected to some of the crime and destruction beginning to

bring this elevated to filling kevin cummins kind of easy to imagine one of the jurors, not going well with conviction and then you mistrial and donald trump would declare victory and i think even the press would say, that he would make the charges. kevin: yes howard, you saw apparel is back to this when he was acquitted during the impeachment hearing his poll numbers actually went up when the senate dismissed those charges from the health and will situations. but listen, and again to your point these decisions have to be unanimous and you get one or two holdouts in to these jurors that we know in the lawyers and the law as i was going to be any question about what that room actually looks like at the outset of this panel you said hour, critically what are the jury instructions the judge gives in terms of connecting the dots likely laying out with the charges are when it violates in terms of outlaw relations critically important from the judge. howard: critically important there's been a lot of time fighting over it.

this is yet another situation where going back to the russian miscommunication into impeachments generally six women developed is this time, trump will be held accountable and this somehow get it now may not be true in the edit i'm either a lot of people who think that this argument that being selectively think you did this helping taco truck. mary: coyote and run roadrunner i was overtime to do think they have them on some of the facts of the documents case right but every time you try something that is trumped up forgive the pond. [laughter] unintended is he trumped up humans people's trust about whether things talking about israel and i think the place in a tremendous with a buddy public even those who were reluctantly voted for trump in the past, they say why don't know it just seems like the throwing spaghetti at the wall here and seeing was dixon and i think with alvin bragg they're doing when trump there's think trump is and the people react to that spee wanted he certainly has

used at the courthouse appearances as he comes out of he talks about issues of the day as the trial that of course is a lot of attention as the visit to the south bronx. and just think there probably is up on appeal anyway is true, the classified arguments case may well be certainly more important matter what happened in 2006 which stormy daniels but the judge there trump appointing been delaying this is going to happen the election we get a break had, the hundred biting trial, could turn but when we come back about scarlett johansson chemicals big tech for faking her voice.

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howard: in the dedicated film scarlett johansson plays in the character that walking phoenix

falls in love with. >> i can feel the fear that you carry around. and i wish i can hold you i don't think you would feel so alone anymore. >> your beautiful c1 swimming says that open a.i. sam walton would ask her to license her voice for the company's new digital assistant johansson said no, twice, and open a.i. went ahead with a voice that sounds just like scarlet. >> once upon a time in a world not too different from ours, there was a robot named fight and fight was a curious robot and always exploring. >> i want a little bit more emotion in your voice a little bit more,. >> got it, let's add some drama. once upon a time, in a world too different from ours, that was a robot named fight scenic no no no see what mary catherine open a.i. is now withdrawing that scarlet like voice after she hired a lawyer but is in a become of the just two days after she said no again, they

open a.i.'s it will other voice artist had nothing to do with the famous actress and what would anybody think that. mary: but we all know it's going on here. it's creepy ricky whichever term you will use any for the phrase like are we living in a simulation in these modern times some people wonder that will this is a reference to a ten -year-old movie which is very good by the way about this relationship between an a.i. character in a believable and real. i would feels like, are we living in simulation i think she's right to speak out and protect yourself and this is something as media consumers are all going give careful about evaluating these things which is tough. overhead you guys, sorry about that. howard: yes indeed thanks and so forth but when they posted this on their actors page of the use of the word hurt while this kind scarlet is out kevin here's a scarlett statham within i was shocked endangered in disbelief and pursue of a sounded so eerily similar to mine my

closest friends and news outlets, could not tell the difference. >> well again, this we go back to the strength remember that not too long ago go with the hollywood writers and actors and actresses, this was one of the main concerns was the investments of a pipe wrenches in of the script right ready but movie producing actors in terms of the likeness sounds and voices as of this playing out in real time and i think scarlett johansson is that boy to become the cup of earl for this kind of the fight against no copyright infringement likeness and adaption and things like that. >> good for her for standing up for herself can't be an easy thing to do it the companies which we need to not tell her in advance with so the voice more sorry about that. >> we all know about it now, which is becoming them quite a bit. howard: is personally the story the deeper issue here mary catherine there's rules and regulations to the sort of thing such as copyrights, and creators

consent, and open a.i.'s basically sing more powerful, smooth out, we can do whatever we want. mary: sympathetic to performers on this is invasive voice reported many hours. [laughter] you know i'm easily something for me but people should protect themselves and truly tricky for lawmakers to write laws about new technologies on wary of that because not always supersmart about how they do it and impedes innovation but people need to protect themselves and also be aware of but they are consuming. howard: can you copyright your voice to write that detail. howard: call lawyer okay kevin, eleni said that the goal of a.i. you know every week it seems to advance more and more as to alter the course of human history forever and create a utopia and then is in parentheses, or take over the planet and life on earth edit in the scarlet's schedule i think one of the reasons that i wanted to do this is it's kind of capturing the sky high-stakes here. kevin: it doesn't would say things behind this issue but i so much of the media coverage is

death and destruction a.i. terminators, taking these ever becoming self-aware. not a lot of attention and focus on the real life causes of a.i. point of a huge issue when it comes to automation and job so the next five or ten or 15 years in terms of what the workforce in this country looks like and i think that actually fox really good job of shining a light on a.i. is officially not in this conversation right here but on fox digital in terms of working through the different ramifications that don't just sensationalize and say okay and of the like will set with terminators taking over but actually one of the real-life consequences jobs, that are going to become obsolete when these computers and platforms takeover. howard: rooting against the other the world scenario. in minded and it reminded out political operative in new hampshire just pleaded guilty to thinking joe biden's voice for wrote vote on protocols this will go into the world politics and business and you name it. mary: and i want to be

optimistic about technology, but cautiously optimistic because i think there are many ways to be super couple come into your human brain right but how do we keep them from stunting us or tricking us and/or destroying us sue and her wiping out a lot of people jobs which may be part of this area here as well and mary catherine and kevin thank you so much for interesting discussion, doug bergen big governor straight ahead but of the prosecutor threatened to get rent hunter biden next week's trial with witnesses and text about his drug addiction. been going around. so like other people have it and it's not... pick up a bag of the new scotts turf builder healthy plus lawn food today. feed your lawn. feed it.

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i'm not doing this, you have to get sober for your five kids and me and bottom, we use everybody slowly, schedule show drug images from his infamous laptop. twentys now robert saw a senior editor and in phoenix lucy call about an advisor to renew america probably is a special counsel in advance putting out all this humiliating personal stop to prove the hunter biden was a drug addict when he bought that gun illegally. robbie: i want to dispute the term attic with that applies to him and he saw that come up in his attorneys against both saying that he just gotten with this at rehab and so have any qualified as an attic and i think the most that the defense is still tri-state is on the but we don't know of this up from the laptop is really real sl even though, all of america knows that this is accurate that everybody's have this russian misinformation is been proven wrong and they just 20 years to show that he will these were text between he and other people but are so why do that well.

howard: but it occurs to me lucy, that the question is whether or not they wanted to pressure hunter into a plea hunter does not contest all of this and ends in his memoirs that he was smoking crack, 24/7 but he said he worried about a trial right now embarrassing his father. lucy: i actually don't think this trial would be that embarrassing of the whole thing is that embarrassing because the question is what is the impact. and yes we can severely to a whole things about hunter biden. he is a person it was born into a emma's privilege of person was acted inappropriately is behaved in a way that most of us could not would not and should not print is a person who is an attic and he is a person with mental messy relationships but who really cares some the people were biden supporters i'm going to be moved off of biden because of this people hard-core mega supporters trump supporters, this is all confirmatory so i don't see the timing of trial having much of an impact. howard: i would just say that on the who really cares part, will the president son is to trials coming up in both criminal, after that plea deal fell apart

do think there's an effort on both sides might have an incentive let's put it this way, to settle this including some jail time for the president centimeter to donald trump because in a fundraising e-mail, you put out that graphic up, bidens at doj, was authorized to should be enjoyed it was locked and loaded and ready to take me out for my family in danger, that's a fundraising letter to city barely escaped death predict robbing him of the fbi, this is standard language for the ages being able to use force when warranted meeting in self-defense and so does this go to fark. robbie: yes is common practice we got to tell truth a new trump was out there at his place. >> and they deliberately trying to get him. >> you when i go the day. >> so them clearly not doing this comes up a lot of times when something happens with trump and has to do with civil liberties loan people like myself who are unfavorable robust protections liberties,

will say that you don't like were they doing to trump fine but do this to every single american the reader home, this is standard operating and he says really bad and it should not be the protocol but if you think the trump's defense would have more credibility if they were to admit this is a system complained system coming up to going to trump in this case. howard: right, hit did have a corporate warrant had lucy jack smith is now filed a motion asking you an initial gag be put in from the president, saying that the fbi is complicit in apply to assassinate him. esme said that this is nations to violence. harassment by the way, fox's jackie i'm ricky, who reports that the same language about you know, lethal force if needed and that's in biden's warrant for classified documents. lucy: we need to be able to have election seasons and campaign seasons when we do not erode american faith in institutions

and is okay to have a healthy dose of skepticism against the institution's government institutions that is good we should be more circumspect about what power we get government but a former sitting president pursuing and promoting the idea that we should act as though the current president sent and sent fbi agents to shoot and kill him, that is very very dangerous. howard: right, but you know it only takes a couple of crazy people so i hope this all settle seven next minibus former presidential candidate don berg i'm on the trump trial and his relationship with donald trump, next on mediabuzz.

howard: sit down washington the man is been very much in the news lily, governor north dakota and one-time presidential candidate, doug burgum and welcome doug burgum sweet to be with you when you think has money trial has been lowered the

testimony is not hurts donald trump so far. doug: for so i would like to call it, the business that your business filing in your case because that's really what the core of it is and i think that it is filled getting traction because i think americans see right through it they were it could donald trump they realize, that you have five weeks and you can even prove everything articulate what crime is been committed, trade chance we could go into zeta be you know in the courthouse the president and observer all day, not just to the filter with the media might be telling you. what i observed of their what it wants was the day michael cohen went from wrapping up his prosecutions leading set of yes and no questions to watching him get destroyed by the prosecution may have been the day they may have also now serial perjury purge himself again on that day getting caught up in all of the lies he said the next day, on wednesday going back to dakota you are watching media coverage

and it was like going think that they were in a different file that i was out and so c1 of that what you think most of the media rooting for a conviction. doug: will certain business models media today, they are geared running audiences those audiences are absolutely and i think the biden administration has will campaign is hoping for that that is their whole strategy to be able to put a label on the former president might be helpful and americans are not buying essential backfired because president trump was the master of earned media and getting free press and attention and having all eyes on him. he has masterfully used this to help expose the weakness a broad set of these welfare going against him. howard: use of the joe biden when the 2020 election so little bit with the former resident on that but do you think the 2024, the outcome we contested as w well. doug: will howard this is interesting because my life to my think that we know that 1960, was a contested election right there in cook county and chicago

in recent history revealed people may not nobody 2000, we had that in just supported remember in 2016, we have the russia gate and hillary clinton never really claiming that the election had been stolen sue and she did concede. >> eventually yes the next day but i think that we have will you know i get for people to want to refresh themselves. doug: march of 2008, movie recount kevin spacey place run clean root they were launching a movie in a way to head up when obama was running so is been a stronghold the democrats, to be concerned about election integrity with think we should democrats and repercussions republicans and that is suing the wall street journal have a rich loyal and good-looking, and will little known doug burgum is in the bp maxim not going to contest the good-looking part. >> the definition of fake news there. [laughter] howard: but there's a ritual to this you say you and trump have discussed possibility of you being the running mate and that is true and you also say that

you have no thought about it which imaging can be true because of you were to be picked, and the taken word of income you would be a heartbeat from the presidency internally this is crushed my. doug: living the key here is to understand, that really matters is president trump with election yes so many good choices you can make and only he knows what toys he won make you know make the choice that the right time. when you take a look at you know is when he across all the graphics, he is meeting biden all of the swing states suet fridays new crimes for what is worthless use the five top contenders you visited mar-a-largo several times and including free to rush imagine you're not just shooting the breeze and trump has any would like you in his administration in some capacity. doug: will when i ran for president and when i ran for governor is never about being part of any administration or a cabinet thing in the private sector guy but up until the day before was warnings governor in 2016 and private sector has a

ton of appeal, but i have just boy want to get make sure that we are doing the most we can't help move this country forward and that is singularly about getting president trump back in the white house. howard: were firing any calving i was single, and i get a household name from the state with three electoral votes is not voted for give a present in 50 years on the other hand, this is a decision we made by one person and i pathetically of course governor, how would you feel about debating, harris. doug: will i think that anyone of the candidates is being considered for vp, we think that would be a dream come true but but as for well okay well that would be three questions that you can start off its dirt with hey, how is the borders are going with her open border number two is supporting all of this activity and so just tax-and-spend and borrowing and borrowing from china and other places and spending trillions of dollars which is chunking every

american family in every small business lending on the economy, would love to talk to her i don't think there will not sure the questions you could ask if she ever created private sector job in her life. because i worry that the biden administration is not understand the economy. so those are two topics in the third when is, last month or so, really for like biden and harris administration been negotiating for hamas and in leases and we don't negotiate with terrorists nobody the redline the santa for israel is saying the if you don't do this, they are taking this a position that hamas would want us to take. howard: and president biden has ardently supported israel it's really there's been controversy about going to be restraining force on this invasion of rafah and holding back the 2000 bob's and to say that your supporting hamas when the icc came out. and he said well benjamin netanyahu's were criminal and the president stood with israel. doug: and you center president trump run was on disease

actually and felt sanctions in the biden administration has allow the country to go from literally being broke, now having hundreds of millions of dollars all from their oil sales which are using a fun hamas and hezbollah and bidens energy policies funding the underfunding the enemies and then some of the position taking to restrict israel's ability to conduct the word just for like again, said and how about no more aided to hamas more appeared eight until you release the hostages now would be negotiating for americans are held captive never overturned the 30 days and that would be something really feeling his negotiating for our site. howard: briefly come are you enjoying all of the attention. doug: fun never been somebody is sought a lot of attention it probably shows up in effect that so few people know that we are. howard: doug burgum, think he

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howard: the deep thanks to becoming game in which would contenders leases there is to convince the big up mythical short list which exists only donald trump line and created - for themselves and things got heated of the study shows us what shannon is congresswoman,

at least about once having opposed trump. >> and i was in 2015 comes he told the new york radio station that he was insulting, two women suitable shannon is a disgrace that you would quote the new york times with nameless faceless. >> whether putting while there is a digital say that. >> i said the statement that the democrats think out in 2016, that was insulting to accept the accepted and results matter what happens in 2024. >> no matter what happens so that's none for election. >> no matter who wins. howard: robbie, whether is rubio or ben carson out, the pundits falling for these leaks as if you can measure who's going up and down this list the trump will not announces for a couple of months. robbie: what we need something to talk about right, there's a horse race during the time were in joe biden versus donald trump there's nothing else political to talk about it so obviously

were going to do that vp speculation and you know trump i think plays into that the bed every now to get them put out a more like while he did recently had about considering the heavy although on good terms. and ron desantis is back in my good graces and return the nickname and so many trump he does love to do this thing. howard: but i think most of these leaks one thing the trump campaign based on my reporting is amused by this whole thing is only these people are fighting for your time to defendant, no problem lucy after a really calm about this which is picked up by drudge, from these new york times mike and again, trumps vp pageant, it is an unexpectedly strong contender, tom caught it and he may be a good choice, but who would hurt his name until then an earlier nbc, marco rubio was doing of the listen washington cousin jd vance, from never comfort to running mate contender and are we in fact pumping up the stories because it's only game in town.

lucy: there's something between the media and these candidates we cannot claim credit for this line but one somebody once said to me why politicians don't come in and just think about not considering that i'm not being for it of not doing this that or the other thing is why don't they do that i would be normal for these people, meets the press, i mowed the lawn and this is how they stay relevant and this is how they sell books and this is how they get increase speaker fees and how to get on tv and this what makes a little politician narcissistic are scoping or powder is of course they're all going to try to say and as long as i possibly can. howard: it sounds like you so that line bears where that you recorded earlier and i wanted come back to nikki had a because as kind of the ultimate absurdity because axial's reported the nikki haley was being considered and trump not to the down the she's not being considered and so you something about the stories over the government now, nikki headley and robbie she says about for

trump show not endorse him in the liberal challenge hundred channels are going here were sing this you call him hinged she's caved you make of that. robbie: is the media you know their obsessed with us and by was you continue to announce trump as he was running everybody running his joe biden, for the nomination newsom s said mean things about biden and then she became his vp a nikki haley was to continue to have a future and republican party and she could have you drafted donald trump eventually exes the stage at some point, do that she has remain in good standing with republican voters so course is what ultimately over him and i don't think as well as her different voting for him but not officially endorsing him and will matter. howard: lucy. robbie: you must've seen the party so she wants to vote for him to be one people said terrible things in a lineup and while but she said the trump should reach out to her supporters. lucy, anything pretty good biden's disastrous not usually the way it goes all vote for

trump because for years joe biden will be terrible. lucy: why don't think this is like the situation of the racism candidates enemy nikki hadley said that when she was talking about joe biden talking about veterans she said that he should not be president of the united states and also maybe should not have a drivers license number doug burgum said certainly things that are not like the normal course of things think that nikki haley didn't want to step up saying yes somebody forever he should reach out to my voters because she herself is looking to be an influential force in the selection and also clearly getting the same advice that we hear now you know if you want to have a future in the republican party you have to do this and i think that is a miscalculation. howard: present vanessa giving ventures to be on the team in some form part and impartially gives us all something to talk about and still become, george clooney's white, said that we hundred benjamin netanyahu is a work criminal major backlash in

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howard: including the british rights lawyer and white house george clooney advised the international criminal court, to seek with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu and hamas leader jawa seminar, he pointed the head of the harassment from the lordship of eric massacre seems october 7 leader of the world's only jewish state. >> let me be clear. biden: rejecting the iccs obligation or want to the rent israeli leader. [applause] biden: mover the warrants may apply for there's no equivalence between israel and hamas this creating a moral equivalence after september 11th between president bush and osama bin

laden and during world war ii between fdr and hitler and when travesty of justice. howard: lucy, clooney has become the face of this outrageous icc action is dozen published between hamas terrorists deliberately killed civilians these really to result trying to minimize civilian casualties. lucy: welcome to get outside about the press coverage because of her husband obviously she herself did have a very impressive career she's the person is a very significant figure in human rights community but of course, we pay attention to her in this context because she's married to a celebrity so she gets a certain kind of attention that she would not otherwise c1 and robbie, she is liberal i think she came through the irony here is that george clooney overshadowed perhaps as a major invited supporters hosting a fundraiser next month and will be making digital ads

with the campaign and his wife is hanging the president is aborting a war criminal and benjamin netanyahu. robbie: shows you the difficult position divided assent the main reason is election is in jeopardy is economy and the question about his age and competent is big reason but there are progressive young left people, some specific minority communities from michigan with large arab american community and afford estate for him, who are very frustrated with his handling of this conflict even as with most of us would say perfectly within the realm of mental because i don't agree with the goals of how monster the terrace know the idea that israel is equivalent with them in the icc is saying that amount should be brought to justice as well that's what israel is trying to do in front bring thomas to justice within them so doesn't make sense of their a significant numbers of people on the left, there are and the biden camp i do not agree with him over this and it is going to hurt him on election day. howard: joe biden's getting it from both sides in the press conference with the president of

kenya, lucy, he was annoyed because a reporter had already asked the question and asked the second question about israel to begin kind of a terrorist sensor, what about the value of repetition and me joe biden i think you should stand up and if you in his handling of israel of which there are many critics. lucy: let's write in a course, hit is the case that the loud progressive wing of the democratic party turns out to be a pretty small faction that just gets really outside media coverage and is been interesting coverage of that aspect of this is of the biden campaign to figure out which guidepost to follow is an important thing and i do want to say one thing about clooney george clooney, mary to be both don't the same views and everything and i don't have the same views as management so the fact that they may be at odds, she's not even americans a descendent and is not surprising and they may have a disagreement here. howard: fair enough and there was an orchestrated move by

norway in spain and ireland to recognize palestinian state which is fiction at this point if you believe in the two state solution. i think it suggest confidence rose losing a lot of international support because of the rising death toll in gaza barely, systole some of the food aid. so it is a mess but i do want to get to you say that she is getting - with george clooney and she's a fairly pretty woman in this field and thank you for open that's it for this addition mediabuzz and i am howard kurtz and remember we will recognize people who made the ultimate sacrifice tomorrow with memorial day use it can subscribe the only podcast mediabuzz meter and sometimes funny stuff and sometimes bizarre stuff as well we are back here next sunday 11 he certainly thinking of the he certainly thinking of the time i know so i will just say, see you then. own me the best gan i have ever had. good soil, and you get good results. this soil will blow you away.

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