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♪ >> lawrence: buckle up, the gang is back together, 7:00 a.m. on the east coast and it's wednesday, may the 29th, and this is "fox & friends." >> the presumed democratic ticket heads to pennsylvania to launch black voters for president biden and vice president harris while charlamagne tha god tells me their message is uninspiring. >> i don't want to hear about the problems. i want to hear from you, the solutions. i would have talked with them, not to them. i want to have a conversation with them. and i want to see what they're really frustrated about. >> ainsley: he was talking about the morehouse commencement speech. plus, fox news alert. it all comes down to this. trump's judgment looms as the jury expected to begin deliberating just hours from now. so what happens if trump is convicted? could he really face jail time? trey gowdy joins us from outside of the courthouse straight ahead. >> steve: all right. and judge judy dropping the gavel on gen z's workplace behavior. >> a bunch of kids entering the

workforce that say "i don't like to work past 4:00." you want to be successful in what you do, you are supposed to be first in the morning and close up shop. some people notice that. >> steve: somebody. >> lawrence: more from the judge later. the second hour of "fox & friends" starts right now. and, remember, mornings are better with friends. >> brian: meanwhile, this. vipresident biden and vice president harris heading to pennsylvania to launch a new initiative again to appeal to black voters. >> steve: this move comes a day after the biden campaign sent t deniro to talk to the press outside of trump's trial. >> trump, this kind of government will perish from the earth. i don't mean to scare you -- no, no, wait. maybe do i mean to scare you. if he gets, in i can tell you right now, he will never leave. you are gangsters. >> you are washed up.

>> [bleep] you. >> brian: and you are washed up. [laughter] and soft. >> ainsley: today jurors are set to begin deliberations as the historic criminal trial draws towards a close. the former president's fate is about to be in the hands of those 12 new yorkers. >> lawrence: eric shawn is outside the new york state supreme court, eric? >> eric: good morning lawrence and guys. well, it could be the most posh thing that the jurors ever hear. the jury instructions. that is what judge juan merchan explains the law to them, what they can use the guidelines, when they start the deliberations, those deliberations expected to start later this morning. judge merchan will take about an hour or so to explain the jury instructions. and then the jurors will start to consider the testimony. they heard more than 20 witnesses, had more than 250 pieces of evidence. none perhaps more important than what they heard from michael

cohen. cohen, the star witness, has had his credibility shredded by trump lawyer todd blanche. blanche called cohen the mvp of liars and told the jury he even lied to them. but prosecutor joshua steinglass said cohen's claims are backed up by other witnesses in what he called a, quote, mountain of evidence against trump. he told the jury, quote: the conspiracy to unlawfully influence the 2016 elections you don't need michael cohen to prove one bit. the name of the game was concealment and all roads lead inexsplikably to the man who benefited the most, the defendant, former president donald j. trump. he pointed to two documents that he called the smoking guns in this case that proved trump's guilt. he said they were cohen's bank statement and a memo on trump letterhead where trump cfo wisenburg blurted the numbers to cohen that trump paid him to reimburse him. and in an indication of the pending verdict, whatever it will be and whenever it comes

this morning new york state court officers added extra barriers and security measures in front of this courthouse there is an air of anticipation and exception this morning. elise stefanik filed a complaint with the new york state court system over judge merchan claiming he has a conflict of interest. merchan donated to the biden campaign in 2016. he gave $15 to the campaign. and as you may know his daughter works for chicago political consulting firm that advises many prominent democrats, including the biden-harris campaign. so she has that complaint and meanwhile the state committee, on judicial ethics has already cleared judge merchan of any conflict saying in their view that he has no conflict of interest. and the judge has refused to recuse himself from this case. back to you in the studio. >> steve: hey, eric, if any oscar winners drop by to have impromptu news conference.

let us know, okay? >> eric: yeah, we will do that. >> steve: no kidding. >> brian: al pacino wouldn't show up, right? >> steve: it would be a lot of cameras. >> brian: robert sheehan, didn't he do dog noon new york city? >> steve: bank robbery. it was a very complicated personal dynamic as i recall. >> brian: yes, i heard about that. >> ainsley: it's interesting, the biden campaign sent him down to the courthouse. >> steve: because there were cameras not because there was a trial. >> ainsley: donald trump is getting all this attention we need to get attention, too. there is this article in the "the washington post." it's questioning if trump is convicted what happens to him. >> brian: that is the key. this is the biggest question. >> ainsley: punishable by 1 months to four years. the question is would he go to prison in the legal experts say probably not. that's unlikely. if he did, secret service has to protect him for the rest of his life because he was a sitting president. and the question is would they allow him, if it's home

confinement, could he continue to campaign? >> brian: how can he if you are on home confinement? >> lawrence: i think the whole idea that we are having this conversation when it comes to the former president for even if you say he is guilty, let's say you are that one in a million person that says that the prosecution came up with a crime here. >> ainsley: even though there is no evidence. >> lawrence: let's roll with it for a second. you have got people that are carjacking people in this city. pushing people in the subway. and they are back on the street. so, how can you justify putting the former president in prison for 40 years when you have a city that is in utter chaos? that was most interesting thing that the actor said yesterday is that donald trump is going to break this city. excuse me? the city is already broken. >> ainsley: illegal immigrants flipping off the cameras when they get back out on the street after beating up cops. >> brian: let's look at the scenario. number one the judge sentencing. i understand the judge could turn around '4 counts, right?

he could -- they could say we find he is guilty on x amount of counts, too. he doesn't say 30 of 34. two of 34. and then the judge has got to take that in and he has got to decide on sentencing. it's not going to be in 30 days. he could decide right there if he wanted. and then what's he looking at? they say a class e felony, punishable by 60 months four years in prison. fine. he is 77 years old without any priors. would would he be possibly. >> lawrence: for each count. >> brian: up to 20 years. how could he possibly be looking at prison if precedent means anything here especially when you are still trying to figure out the unprecedented charges against a former president. >> steve: right. so, ultimately, is he going to decide if he is found go ahead, probation or up to four years for this particular case? >> so. >> brian: or house arrest. >> steve: or house arrest. right. probation, house arrest, stuff like that. the worst thing actually for donald trump would be house arrest. because he wouldn't be able to go out and about.

and. >> ainsley: he wouldn't either if he were in prison. >> steve: that's absolutely true. nobody really thinks is he going to wind up in prison. even though we have heard that apparently the secret service has gone through the motions about, you know, what would happen if he did wind up incarcerated? it would just be a very complicated situation for everybody. >> lawrence: steve, i would agree with you if we had standard operating procedure here. there's been -- people that voted for joe biden that are in the courtroom saying this judge strike zone is way out of bounds. so, we don't know what is he gonna do. it's all in his hands. >> brian: go ahead. >> ainsley: mayor eric adams he said city's rikers island jail complex and the department of corrections were prepared if trump were offered to serve time. >> brian: second stent ridiculous. is he actually older. if he does house arrest, can you imagine that? stay at home and go what joe biden did last time. actually campaign from his basement. and what is donald trump's greatest asset? 100,000 wildwood, new jersey.

20,000 in the south bronx. is he in front of people. that's where he excels. that's where they get their mailing list. that's where they find out hot voters are that's how they find out get other voters. >> ainsley: it could help him, brian, is he actually more popular, raised more money in april after all of this started. after the trial started than joe biden did. and if america sees that they are trying to keep a presidential candidate, their there are only two, and one of them has to a, be in a courtroom for six weeks and then right after that, has to be in home confinement? lawrence not right. >> steve: if is he convicted, i think his popularity goes up. >> ainsley: i do, too. >> steve: he is has defied political gravity over the last year. and if is he convicted, he has made a very effective argument about two tiers of justice. >> ainsley: what did he do wrong though? what did he do wrong? an nda is not illegal. paying someone to keep quiet if they agree is not illegal. >> steve: it's up to these men and women.

>> ainsley: for the national inquirer to not run a story that's not illegal. >> brian: what you should be focusing on is the undecideds and independents and moderates. how many of them even if it's 5% that say i won't to vote for anyone who is a felon. what they plan on doing at the white house, is introducing donald trump as convicted felon, former president donald trump. and you know "the washington post" and "new york times" would do the same and politico would do the same exact thing. do you know that's going to come up in the debated in june? you are a convicted felon. don't tell me about the case you are a convicted felon. they are going to be doing that so that is going to be one thing to think about. not so much the 100,000 that showed up in wildwood, new jersey or the robert deniros of the world. but the people in between. >> lawrence: it's obvious that the administration is in panic. jacqui heinrich in philadelphia where president biden and vice president harris will be today with the new plan to attract black voters. the question is will it work, jacqui? >> jacqui: yeah, good morning to you guys. you know, the campaign always shrugs off the polls except for

maybe this one as biden-harris campaign is bringing both the president and the vice president to swing state pennsylvania today to launch black voters for biden. it comes at a time when trump is getting 23% support among black registered voters in a fox news poll. that is up from 8% in 2020. if it doesn't sound like a lot. look at it this way. in 2020 biden won about 91% of the black vote, according to a fox voter analysis. that's down today to 74%. so the campaign is going to talk about investing in black student organizations, community groups and faith centers across the country saying the administration delivered on a number of areas and also that these same voters will be critical to defeating trump's racist and toxic agenda at the ballot box again. this might be more expensive if the administration gets its way on a new climate policy. looking to require that new homes are built efficient heating and cooling systems.

while it could save on greenhouse gas emissions it could add $7,200 to the average purchase price at a time when prices just to buy a home or sky high. the average cost for a new home was just under half a million dollars last year. they are also revamping school buses we have learned. spending $900 million on 3400 clean school buses. this comes at a time when the country is seeing a 15% drop in bus drivers. 15% since 2019. put it in context about 120 -- or 192,000 drivers that the country is down. but maybe, if they have clean new efficient buses, they will come back to work. at least that's the administration on this one, guys. >> brian: wow, got to stay local and going over to delaware right after. jacqui, thanks so much. >> ainsley: turning our buss into electric vehicles. and then the home builders are opposing this greener home policy. they are saying that the cost will increase the homes.

>> steve: $7,000. >> ainsley: deter buyers with today's interest rates and real estate insurance has gone up dramatically. >> lawrence: i don't understand how this is going to help black families since they plan on this outreach. something that's going to increase the cost of the houses. how -- and the cars as well. how is that going to make it better? >> steve: what they're trying to do they are trying to appeal to the young voters. >> ainsley: young voters won't be able to afford a house. >> steve: they don't have to buy a house. they are living in their parent's basement. >> brian: get the homeless to put solar panels on the side of their lien to. that he don't care enough about the environment. >> on the tent. >> brian: hope people wise up before it's too late. one thing about the black vote. 23% right now is in the trump camp roughly it. must be worse internally. second straight week of going after the black voted massively as the president is doing today. so i ask charlamagne tha god about why he voted for the ticket last time. he said it was vice president harris. i know her. and i asked him what do you

think so far? here's what he said. >> a million times vice president kamala harris should be coming on fox like they are afraid of fox, right? so my whole thing is go fox. have conversations with, you know, the personalities on fox. and talk to the fox audience. misconstrue what somebody is saying when you are actually watching them say it. >> brian: understood, too. you knew kamala harris before she was vice president. you had great hope for her and that is one of the reasons you supported biden-harris ticket the last time. >> she was the refinery. >> brian: she was the reason? >> yeah. >> brian: what happened? >> she is handcuffed a lot by this administration. >> brian: why do you think that? why do you think she is handcuffed? >> because i know her and i know what she stands for. and i know, you know, the things that she wants to do that she may not necessarily be in a position to do because she doesn't want to overstep the president. >> steve: you know, i think he is absolutely right. because, during the campaign in

2020, she was outs and about many -- she would talk to fox all the time. whenever our correspondent out in the field would see her go up to her, she would talk to him. but that is when she was still just one of the 20 people running. as soon as she became the nominee, vice president nominee, they put a lid on it. and she stopped talking because they want to control her message. >> lawrence: here's the problem. it's not like she is just some innocent stand by -- somebody that's on the sideline. every single big task, the administration puts her in charge of. and so she has the opportunity. >> steve: somebody has got to take the blame. >> lawrence: every time she opens up her mouth, she embarrasses herself. look, curly, there is always some great respect for the first. all right? so she is the first black woman ever to have the office. the difference between her and president barack obama, even when black votes would have criticisms about policies is that he has sharp. he had swagger.

he was able to present ideas. you put her out there to sell things she makes it worse. so i think, you know, it's very convenient to say hey, look, i think she is being handcuffed. but they have given her the opportunity she has had 3 or 4 campaign reboots. >> ainsley: i want to know who is handcuffing her and who is running the white house? if joe biden is not allowed to speak and she truly is handcuffed, aren't they the top dogs? aren't they the leaders? imagine you're company, the head of your company, the person who owns it and maybe the ceo or the vice president of your company, and they're not allowed to run the company? it doesn't make any sense. >> brian: that's a great point. my theory is she has lost all her confidence. she does not feel as though she comes off. she reads all the criticism. she has had opportunity. forearm she comes outside deli goes shopping for a bagel. there is controversy in gaza. they ask her what's going on in gaza. how much does it take to look at the camera the tragedy took place in gaza. we should realize how this whole thing started and nobody at the white house would go how dare

you talk on camera. i think it's because she does not feel conversant in anything because she doesn't study. she didn't study at the debates, remember that? >> lawrence: her own staff, which the majority of them have quit, said the same exact thing. and by the way, remember, this was a lay up for her. the whole plan if you talk. >> supposed to be the president. >> lawrence: supposed to be the 389. he was supposed to do one turner, shoo-in. her approval rating was lower than joe biden. so don't give me she was hand cuffed, it was a lay up for her. >> brian: my sense is he did talk to her. that's his opinion. brian. >> ainsley: maybe that's what she is saying to him. look at his policies, we are voting for policies at this point. >> steve: ultimately trying to control the message. in the meantime talk a little bit about this. remember the story hunter biden had a baby with that woman. >> brian: london? >> steve: lunden roberts; she has written a new book and going

to come out at the time of the dnc. >> brian: perfect timing. >> steve: out of the shadows. my life inside the wild world of hunter biden. the press release says the memoir contains revelations that could impact the outcome of the 2024 election. and the publisher apparently is somebody who is aligned with robert f. kennedy jr. >> ainsley: no wonder the biden administration is freaking out one of the other opponents, r.f.k. jr. his super pac is run by this guy who owns sky horse publishing. and he has agreed to publish her book during the dnc. >> lawrence: well at least his political opponent is allowing them to do a true story and not russian disinformation. we already know that he wasn't claiming navy. the administration had to be shamed into acknowledging their granddaughter. >> ainsley: had to get a d.n.a. test done. >> steve: for years. >> lawrence: this young lady knows that her grandfather is the president of the united states. she is aware of it. the poor girl doesn't have secret service protection. all the rest of the grandkids

are surrounded by secret service. that shows you mr. compassion and chief how much he thinks of her and i think it's pretty sad. >> steve: she didn't get the stocking on the chimney at christmastime. >> ainsley: recognize that child as your grandchild. >> steve: book is coming out. >> brian: this is the question peter brought up yesterday to kjp and she really embraced it. listen. >> memoir coming out lunden roberts the book is about protecting the unacknowledged grandchild of the sitting president of the united states. do you know if president biden has met that grandchild yet? >> i don't have anything to share. >> lawrence: that is so embarrassing. how do you not know? you don't have any comment on that it's his granddaughter. >> steve: she knows the answer it's no. >> ainsley: the answer would be no. the normal response would be he has a great relationship with his grandchild navy. >> steve: if it were true. >> ainsley: the book is called

out of the shadows my life inside the wild world of hunter biden. >> brian: cooking crack. she talks about she was the chief chef it looks like. president biden got to keep his lid on about to explode. that's why he went and visited the widow of beau biden who is the girlfriend of hunter biden. >> lawrence: she is going to testify. >> brian: she was going to testify in the gun case she is the one who threw the gun in the dumpsters. >> ainsley: gun charge. tax fraud case was supposed to be the end of june and that's now september. trump is on trial now. hunter is about to be on trial soon. >> steve: stay tuned. all right. meanwhile, 7:20 here in new york city. carley joins us with more news. >> carley: i certainly do, guys. the investigation continues into the shocking shooting death of general hospital actor johnny wactor in los angeles. he was gunned down early saturday morning after confronting thieves trying to steal his car's catalytic converter. his ex-fiance tessa farrell says action must be taken to cush cub

l.a.'s crime crisis. >> this is a property crime issue that's not being prosecuted correctly and it's turning the justice system into a turn wheel where criminals are becoming more brazen and more violent and it cost johnny his life. we need proper prosecution for criminals because, you know, this is turning into gunfire. >> carley: wactor was just 37 years old. a person claiming to be a nigerian scammer. listen to this, reached out to the "new york times" to take credit for attempting to auction off graceland. the historic home was elvis presley. the scammer claimed lisa marie presley took out $3.8 million loan before her death and putted memphis estate up as collateral which turned out not to be true. the self-proclaimed scammer said i had fun figuring this one out and it didn't succeed very well. a judge has blocked the foreclosure sale. this story gets stranger and stranger. judge judy is sending a message to gen z about workplace

behavior. she says these days everyone gets a participation trophy and gen-z is not willing to put in the work. >> off bunch of kids entering the workforce that say i don't like to work past 4:00. i don't work on saturday. sunday is football. women, you want to be successful in what you do, you are supposed to be first in the morning and close up shop, somebody will notice that. >> carley: sound advice from judge judy according to resume builder survey 74% of managers found gen-zers more difficult to work with than other generations. check out this remarkable video shows how a lightning strike left its mark on a country club golf course in cincinnati. the video recorded after a storm swept through the area on friday. the extreme weather left thousands of homes and businesses without electricity. you can see the markings on the

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>> brian: all right. some headlines now started with college. harvard will no longer comment own plowb matters that do not serve its core function i put that in air quotes. recommended by the school's working group issuing empathy statements runs the risk of alienating some members of the community by expressing explicit solidarity with others. former harvard president expressed backlash claudine gay you may remember was asked whether calls for genocide of jews are a violation of harvard's policy, she said it depends meanwhile this issue 10 commandments be displayed in all classrooms. governor laundry's signature is needed to make it law. i'm sure he will get it. expected to face legal challenges by the aclu and other

groups. those are your headlines, steve, take it away. >> steve: thank you very much, brian. fox news alert. just two hours from right now, here in new york city donald trump's fate will officially be in the hands of 12 new york jurors set to begin deliberating as the historic trial draws to a close. sunday night american host and former prosecutor trey gowdy is live outside the white house. he joins us now. trey, outside of curiosity. you were sitting in hard benches for like 12 hours yesterday. have you recovered? >> not yet, it reminded me of being in a church and hearing a very long sermon. i have heard good ones and long ones but never a good long sermon. >> steve: i feel for you. we were talking about a moment ago what would happen if he were convicted. i know probation is a possibility. jail time up to four years the

jury could decide if it's a misdemeanor. could you explain that? depends on two things with judge is willing to charge it and whether the defense is willing to accept it. keep in mind this is a misdemeanor that just put on a tuxedo to look like a felony. if the judge gives the jury the option of the misdemeanor, and the jury compromises -- look, juries love to compromise. instead of being a hung jury, they may say let's compromise on the misdemeanor. there is zero chance he will go to jail for the misdemeanor. if he is convicted of 34 felony counts, given the fact that this judge clearly does not like him, and given the fact this judge may want to send a message that no one is above the law, there is a possibility of an active sentence custodial sentence for the former president. >> steve: if he gets convicted, trey, there is a possibility his

ratings actually go up. >> trey: oh, i think it's a probability i think and, look, i'm actually pro-prosecution. i did it for almost two decades. i have never seen a judge that was this pro-prosecution. i wish i had something like this when i was in the courtroom. so i think -- even like people who are not ardent donald trump supporters are kind of wondering what are we doing here on a 6-year-old case that was passed on by the southern district of new york. i think it actually would help -- i mean, i hate to say going to prison would help somebody. it usually doesn't. but it would actually help him because it kind of feeds the narrative that he is being starting targeted by our judicial system. >> steve: exit question. so, the jury, the 12 men and women have been listening to lawyers for the last number of weeks. soon the judge will get at 9:30 the judge is going to give

instructions. then they are going to go in the room and no lawyers. except there are two lawyers on the jury. so who do they help? >> trey: you know, as a prosecutor, i would never seat a lawyer. i would seat the mother of a defendant before i would seat a lawyer. [laughter] >> trey: i don't understand unless they ran out of strikes. but here's the thing, steve, most lawyers never see the inside of a courtroom. it would be like you asking me to draft a will. i mean, you are better off asking brian to draft a will. i know nothing about it. these lawyers know nothing about criminal law. so, do they have the humility to tell their fellow jurors, look, this is not what we did for a living. my fear is that the lawyers will say, look, it's clear the judge did not like the defense counsel. he rarely sustained any of their objections. the smart thing is for them to say, look, we are out of our element. we are just like you, treat us like a normal citizen.

>> steve: all right. trey gowdy back to the benches. sir, thank you very much for joining us live. >> trey: yes, sir. >> steve: all right. straight ahead. charlamagne tha god tells brian in a "fox & friends" exclusive neither party is impressing people. >> i think that this election this year is about the republicans or the crooks. the democrats or the cowards because they don't fight for nothing. and the couch, which is voter apathy. i think the couch will probably win. ♪ (♪)

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over the last few weeks. heavy rain in the forecast could cause flash flooding. keep that in mind, we could see hail, damaging winds and isolated tornadoes today. the good news is we don't have any watches or warnings right now but we are watching our friends in texas, close to half a million people without power there is the severe storm threat today for parts of texas up towards the plain states. fox weather.com for all of your latest details. steve, ainsley, brian, l.j. over to you. >> lawrence: thanks, j.d. >> steve: my daughter doesn't have juice in dallas. still no electricity. >> ainsley: what? >> lawrence: my mom got hit last night. her job everything went out. crazy there. >> ainsley: what are they doing? how long have they been without electricity? >> steve: midnight the night before. throwing out all the food in the freezer. >> brian: got to have a generator. do they have one? >> steve: very expensive. >> brian: sometimes impossible to get. >> ainsley: you should send her one, steve. >> steve: i will send her new groceries. >> ainsley: that might be super expensive, too. steve that's true. >> lawrence: charlamagne tha god bringing the breakfast club to

"fox & friends" talking to brian uninspiring message to the black community and trump's legal challenges. >> brian: he says this november is a choice between corroboration and cowards and the couch. watch. >> brian: people are at all times talking politics with you. you talk politics on your show. you said you would rather talk about issues than politicians. >> yes. >> brian: do you not like your choices right now for this presidential race. >> you look at the polls in america, most of america doesn't like our choices in this presidential race. this election this year is about the republicans or the corroboration. the democrats or the cowards, because they don't fight for nothing. and the couch which is voter apathy. i think the couch will probably win. whose fault is that? it's not the people, it's the candidates. >> brian: why do you think republicans are the crooks? >> i mean, damn. the candidate for president has 88-plus criminal charges right now. >> brian: how many do you think are legitimate? >> i have no idea. do i know that if barack obama had 88 criminal charges, it wouldn't be a question of how

many are legitimate it would be is he not qualified to run. >> brian: from what you know about the case in new york, do you think that would be brought by any other candidate -- any other person that you know? >> it looks weird for that to be the first one that that rolls out. you know, if it was something about election interference, that would make more sense to me. it does look like a show. it's going to be bad if, you know, that one gets thrown out because everybody is going to automatically just say well all the rest of them might be b.s., too. >> brian: i have not seen an african-american poll with trump less than 20%. >> um-huh. >> brian: why do you think is he picking up hispanic, black, or minority support? >> i don't know if he really is. and the reason i say that i think a lot of those polls might be slightly overstated. i do think it will be an uptick. i can't see 20% of, you know, black people voting for donald trump. >> brian: 100,000 people lined up in wildwood, new jersey to watch a guy in a state that he lost by 15 points. >> um-huh.

>> brian: you can't say they are not energized to see trump. >> is he entertaining. they like. >> brian: do you think that's it. >> they like going to a free stand up show. i'm not saying that these guys don't have a base. as far as hypothetical swing voters, the youth vote, people just turning 18 who want to go out there and vote. they are not inspired by either one of these candidates. >> brian: i watched a couple weeks ago when the president of the united states went to morehouse college all historically black college. >> what is democracy? if black men are being killed on the street? what is democracy if there is a trail of broken promises still leave black communities behind? most of all, what does it mean as we have heard before to be a black man who loves his country even if it doesn't love him back in equally measure? >> brian: sitting in that audience wearing that ground and yawght that day is that an inspirational message? >> no. [laughter] not in no way, shape, or form especially for somebody hobby in politics as long as president biden has been in politics.

i would be wondering like what have you done? i don't want to hear about the problems. i want to hear from you the solutions. >> brian: what is the message that you think seniors in college need to hear? >> if i was president joe biden and i was getting the backlash that i was getting from morehouse students. i would have talked with them not to them. i want to have a conversation with them. and i want to see what they're really frustrated about. i think that would go way farther than what he did. these kids are brilliant. like these kids, you know, they care about actual issues. a lot of them were talking about r.f.k. jr. the reason they were talking about r.f.k. jr. is because he came to the school and spoke to them. so he had a conversation with them. and they believed a lot of the things that were, you know, coming out of his mouth. that's what president biden should be doing. that's what the vice president, kamala harris, should be doing. i have said it a million times. vice president kamala harris should be coming on fox. they are afraid of fox, right? my whole thing is go to fox. have conversations with, you know, the personalities on fox. and talk to the fox audience.

very hard to misconstrue, you know, what somebody is saying when you are actually watching them say it. >> brian: understood, too. you knew kamala harris before she was vice president. and you had great hope for her that was one of the reasons you supported the biden-harris ticket last time. >> she was the reason. >> brian: she was the reason? >> yeah. >> brian: what happened? >> she is hand cuffed a lot by this administration. it's interesting -- >> brian: why do you think that? >> what? >> brian: why do you think she is handcuffed? >> because i know her and i know what she stands for and i know, you know, the things that she wants to do that she nay not necessarily, you know, be in a position to do because she doesn't want to overstep the president. >> brian: do you think she would be a president? >> she wouldn't be any different than any other democrat. like what policies, you know, what would she be so different on than president obama or president biden. she's wouldn't be any different than any other democrat.

people say we should be terrified of a kamala harris presidency. she should be scared of a kamala harris presidency. why? you know why, because she a woman of color. >> brian: i don't think so. >> oh, 100 percent. >> brian: do you think that nikki haley didn't get the nomination because she is a minority. >> i think nikki haley didn't get the nomination because she was afraid to stand up to donald trump. >> she stood i up to him. when it documents nikki haley, i said, you know, months, months ago that i felt like to the g.o.p. was doing themselves a disservice by not making her the nominee because i think people want something different so bad right now in this moment that she probably could have ended up getting votes from both sides brian brian he also thinks america won't elect a woman president. i think is he totally wrong son that everyone is entitled to their opinion. elect a president, black, white, it's the best candidate. >> ainsley: the best candidate. >> brian: yeah. >> steve: the book is out right now. >> brian: really, a lot of it is how he evolves as a person.

where he came from. how he got fired four times. how he bounced all the way back and how is he not running a major company. he has a podcast. got his own imprint in these books. it's off his imprint. he has 17 employees on a daily basis. so he wanted to be unfirable. he became an owner. this is most of all this is a road map to success full of setbacks but he didn't bother him. he just kept coming back. that's the main message. >> ainsley: he is from a very small town south carolina monks corner close to charleston. >> lawrence: great get, too. >> brian: mom is a teacher. gives all of the credit to. him and dad are tight. along the way he felt as if his dad let him down as not being the role model he thought he was. this with is how real the book is it's unvarnished. >> steve: great interview. >> ainsley: absolutely. that was excellent. top health officials under scrutiny as new emails show some appearing to cover up the origins of the pandemic.

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records on the origins of the pandemic. >> ainsley: the investigation already turning up emails like this where senior health officials talk openly about defying federal record laws. writing, quote: i learned from our foia lady, freedom of information act lady here how to make emails disappear after i am foyeyed, congressman brad wenstrup medical physician sits on the coronavirus subcommittee you open up the investigation and found a lot of jarring things. tell the audience what stuck out. >> many things stuck out in a nutshell if we are going into detail it's the ability of the agencies or seemingly their attempts to try and hide the things that they are doing, that their lack of transparency and

really the things that they were doing to try and to deceive the american people are so appalling to me that it's really hard and as you saw in the last couple of weeks, both sides of the aisle were very upset with this. but you look into dr. david morens gmails, he was telling other people that write me on my gmail so i don't get foiaed, the fact of the matter is we did get that information. but you know, we wrote nih three times last year to get documents and it took a subpoena in april. and so dr. morens talks about well, before they actually do a search, i know how to delete them and if you misspell words they won't be found. but the fact is we still got them. and he was doing things that were so incredible and so revealing. when you see him saying that tony fauci's aware of what's going on but he is making every effort to steer away to doing

any damage to ecohealth alliance -- who was just debarred by the federal government and so was peter daszak, their president, don't want to do any damage to ecohealth alliance and therefore protect nih and niad. things are underway to protect you at ecohealth alliance. i worked with the foia lady and all things are safe now. and, by the way, she hates foye as as well. >> lawrence: congressman, i'm sorry to interrupt you. >> no, you're good. >> lawrence: what's going to be done about it. >> well, first of all, is there any criminal liability? which i think there should be. what we have asked in this letter right now, to taking the next step is that we want to staff brief at least on the policies at nih on retention of documents. on transparency. what is their policy toward foia? what is their policy towards personal email? and what are the repercussions and is there any criminal liability?

>> ainsley: the question is what are they trying to cover up? why don't they want these foia requests revealed, this information revealed? the public has a right to know. we won't reveal their personal information but the origins of covid, yes, and who is responsible and what they knew. >> lawrence: congressman, thank you so much for joining us. sean hannity and dana perino coming up. ides 2 shades whiter h and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it's a great product. it's going to help a lot of patients.