>> sandra: all right, here we go. president biden gearing up to hold a campaign event for the first time since his 2024 arrival was found guilty in his new york trial, and the biden campaign is trying to draw what they say is a clear contrast. siegel convicted felon or not, it doesn't change his views before he was a convicted felon and his vision and agenda for america. it was the same as it is post being convicted. >> there's one candidate standing up for the rule of law, for democratic institutions, defending our constitution and our democracy, and that's jill biden. >> sandra: hello and welcome, everyone. i'm sandra smith in new york as we kick off a brand-new week and a brand-new hour. good to be with you, john. >> john: could be with you again, sandra. i'm john roberts in washington. this is "america reports." the biden campaign season on former president trump's guilty verdict, labeling him a convicted felon, essentially hoping that message is going to stick with voters. will it, or critic of the other way? let's get right the

jacqui heinrich lab at the white house. what's on the campaign agenda today? >> well, john, the biden campaign seems to have noticed the trump campaign raking in the donations following that conviction, so they are leaning into the messaging, too. >> i have no doubt they raised a significant amount of money because his base we know is going to stick with him through thick and thin with her he's a convicted felon or not. this campaign did in fact have one of the best stretches of fund-raising since the campaign launched. >> there's at least one democrat he thinks that the wrong approach. congo's been dean phillips, who tried to primary biden this year, says donald trump is a serial liar, cheater, and philanderer, a six time to clear bankruptcy, and instigator of insurrection, and he thrives on portraying himself as a victim. governor kathy hochul should pardon for the good of the country. there are plenty of other voices within the party who disagree. >> i think the president should be leaning into this going forward. his competitor is a convicted

felon, and you can only imagine, if the situation was reversed, they would be going after joe biden with a vengeance. >> the president will hold his first campaign event since the verdict in connecticut today. there are no cameras allowed inside that fund-raising reception, that reporters will be in the room to gauge just how far biden goes with this messaging. on friday he said he had no idea whether the verdict will help trump in the election, that the campaign seems to be a little bit worried about that, and in fund-raising emails since they have been soliciting donations based on trump's f fund-raising momentum. >> john: it's not hurting trump's fund-raising coming to be sure. jacqui heinrich, thank you. sandra? >> sandra: let's bring in former house speaker kevin mccarthy. welcome, good have you on the program today. first, your reaction to the biden campaign drawing what they see as a very stark contrast between the two candidates? >> you know, the only thing the biden campaign had an advantage on his money, and now, those who

didn't support trump realize that this whole trial would have never happened had he not ran for president. the d.a. passed on it, the doj passed on it, the sec pass on it, so they know it is trumped up going after a political opponent. when that happens in real histories, it creates moving on the other side and comes back to bite you. i think that is exactly what biden is seeing happening now. >> john: as we look toward november and what might happen on the republican side, they can do pretty well in the senate, because democrats are defending a lot more seats and republicans are. they have a very strong candidate in the state of maryland in the form of larry hogan, the former gov governor. yet, while the rnc says it is still behind hogan, the trump campaign is on the warpath against him. why would you try to take out larry hogan when he could be one of your best bets for flipping

control of the senate to? >> if you want to enact the senate, you want to be on offense, expand the playing field. if larry hogan was not running in maryland, it wouldn't even be a contest. you want democrats to have to spend money. i think people should take a deep breath, actually reread what larry hogan said in the process. it wasn't an anti-trump comment. >> john: he said we should respect the jury verdict. >> but the one thing i would look at from this is you want larry hogan going through. he's proven he can win in that state, a two-term governor. he's a conservative in the process, and if you want to win the senate yesterday playing in all these things. >> john: there's an old adage in politics that winning is not the most important thing, it's the only thing. but if you reduce your chances of that -- >> for the last two cycles, the republicans of lost in the senate. in the house, we want necklace cycles. when you think about it, we lost the presidency, the senate, two cycles, governors, the only place we did win was in the house. and even though everybody predicted we would lose 15

seats, we beat 15 democrats, then we went back again. we might not have won as big as ever but he wants, that all the other republicans lost, we were still able to win. >> sandra: when it comes to the former president's conviction, mr. speaker, our white house team is reporting as you just heard that democrats are urging biden to lean into trump's conviction. i mean, all along, as his trial carried on, republicans were saying this is only working for him, and noting fund-raising that we saw after the guilty verdict. so which is it? is this going to help or hurt the president for his reelection campaign? >> i think time will tell. the early answer right now is that it's helping him, firing at the base. one thing you always wanted an election, it is who shows up. the intensity to vote for trump is stronger than the intensity to vote for biden. this election is really not about trump, it's about biden. do you want four more years? if i was the biden family, i would be leery of going after somebody about a convicted felon when you have your own son going to trial right now.

it's not just the sun, it might be about a gun, that you're going to get into the money, and it flowed to the rest of the family. you can be an unconvicted felons had the biden family. i would be leery of casting that, because this is something much different. he was picked, and i think this thing would be thrown out. >> john: i've talked to people and i don't know what the politics are, and they say they've never made up a legal donation until this verdict came down, and they found it so distasteful that they contributed. >> i have never seen it get shut down. >> john: i want to ask you this, it seems as though a lot of democrats are distancing themselves from joe biden as his poll numbers continue to tank. axios quoted some anonymous

democrats who said more distancing now, as his neighbors continue to tank, pretty much washing my hands of the campaign. in other democrats that always an element where you run your own race, and now it is even more pronounced, given the president's weakness. you hope when you are in an election year that the top of the ticket goes all the way down ballot. but now you got the down ballot race and they want nothing to do with it. >> you would want the power of the president to come in for you, no one is inviting biden to come into campaign. and the thing you have found, as well, privately when you talk to these democrats the number one topic is, could we change them out and put somebody else in? that's a bad sign. remember, biden only won by 48,918 votes, and his favorability rating at that time was plus ten, now it's minus 20. the npr polled independents and they say by 53-42, four more years of biden is a greater threat to democracy. when you look at the cnn poll,

asking if trump's four years are positive, 55% of america says yes. they compare that with her looking at now, no president at this time has ever had this level of a rating as president biden does. they are expanding the playing field. you look at regina, new hampshire, minnesota, those are a bad position to be in. for their party, they talk about 15 million jobs created. they talk about capping the price, making health care more affordable. they call it a record of historic results for the american people. that's what people across the country want. there was a biden spokesperson quoted in that piece. what i would add to, he said republicans are stuck defending his promises to cut taxes for the billionaires at the expense of the middle class and ban

abortion nationwide. how do you respond to that? >> those comments you said at the beginning, no one in america is saying that outside the white house. they talk about the high cost of food, the gasoline costs, the border. the border is the number one issue out there. every advantage in this policy is leaning toward president trump. i will tell you, 55% of america thinks trump's policies were better, that's a bad position to be in. i would rather be in trump's position right now even coming out of that trial then i would with biden. this election is going to be based upon, can you secure the border? this is the number one thing people are talking about. abortion can be an issue. that's the only thing where the democrats have movement up. but it is in pockets. remember, abortion was a bigger issue in the last election, and those cycles, i want five more seats in california and five in new york. these are the bluest states that

there. how strong was it? >> john: it's good to catch up with you. we will have to do it more. >> sandra: thanks so much. >> john: sandra, on that insulin thing, i seem to remember that back in may of 2020 the centers for medicare and medicaid said that president trump had signed an executive order to cap the price of insulin for medicare recipients at $35. maybe i am misremembering that? but i think it already happened. >> sandra: the messaging is interesting. when they try to embrace the economy, the aspects of the economy that people are not necessary feeling, and that is an issue when they are out campaigning, for sure. spew on the deprived of justice unveils a unique argument for keeping the hur report audio under wraps. we don't you hear this. fox news contributor jonathan turley weighs in on their deepfake fears. >> sandra: plus the wnba forced to step in after a viral

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says the judge wanted to get a jury seated today, and it looks like they may be on pace for that, which puts opening remarks tomorrow morning, i believe. that is the latest out of the courthouse. john, to you. >> john: moving at breakneck speed. justice department quietly made a court filing to block the audiotapes of president biden's interview with special counsel robert hur from going public. the doj argues that they can't release the audio because of the threat of potential artificial intelligence deepfakes. they say that the audio, which questioned biden's mental acuity, could be used to pass off f f face to make fake recors is true. let's bring a jonathan turley, constitutional law professor, george washington university law professor, and a fox news contributor. he is with the doj said in their court filing. to be sure, other raw material to create a deepfake of president biden's voice is already available, but release of the audio recording presents unique risks. knowledge that the audio has

been released becomes easier for malicious actors to pass off and altered file as the true recording. professor, i have heard of some creative reasoning for keeping things from going public. that about takes the cake. >> what is so remarkable is that it is so illogical. it is neither legally nor practically sensible to make that argument. the fact is, if you release the audiotape, it's going to make it easier to refute any deepfake version. right now ai could produce that, because you have the transcript. part of the problem for the department of justice is their position has never made any sense. you release the transcript as unprivileged, that you are claiming the audio version is privileged, as if this is sort of a voldemortian "he who shall

not be heard" type of candidate. they're not worried about a false version of the audiotape, they are worried about the real audiotape being heard before the election. it is a transparent effort to get the court to hold the audiotape, or at least keep it in litigation, until people have voted. >> sandra: to your point, in your piece, on your blog, i should say, you said consider the invocations of the organ for a second. it would mean any visual or audio recording of the president could be withheld due to the danger of digital or other manipulation. it would eviscerate any existing limits on privilege assertions. i want to move on to the trump latest, because here we are, monday, fresh off the trump trial and the guilty verdict for the former president. and you have a piece, the headline, "the trump conviction presents a target rich environment for appeal," and you are noting the thing speaker mccarthy jested, that this will be appealed. where do you see it going now that you've had a weekend to

think about it? >> few people outside of manhattan have a lot of faith in the new york system right now, so far president trump may have some slow sliding initially on appeal, that many of us see layers of reversible error here, and it could end up in front of the supreme court. i personally don't see how this verdict can be sustained. i was in that courtroom and i was shocked by how the court was ruling. i would hope that eventually -- maybe not initially, that eventually, an appeal will prevail in the verdict will be thrown out. >> john: is there a possibility of this going to the supreme court before it goes to the appellate court in new york on an emergency petition? >> you could certainly make that three-point shot. i would bet against it. the supreme court has ruled against jack smith trying to short-circuit his case against

trump. they basically said stay in the lane, stay with regular order. they're probably going to take the same position here and say there's a lot of issues here, get the new york courts a chance to do the right thing, and eventually the court will get it. it's unlikely this will be resolved before the election, which is what many were hoping in manhattan. >> sandra: as we wait for updates from the hunter biden trial, which we have moved on to now, jonathan. do you have a quick comment on that, by the way? >> in many ways, this trial has a marking of the jury nullification defense. there's no other defense i can see out of these facts. he has tried various defenses, and they have collapsed. hunter biden destroyed some of them, including the argument that he might have been having a moment of sobriety. his books blew that one away. but this is the hometown of the bidens. they may be hoping for a type of jury nullification. this is the opposite of

manhattan. this is a great jury pool for the defendant. >> sandra: . >> sandra: wow. >> john: democrats seem to find them all over the place these days. jonathan turley, d good to talko you, professor. >> sandra: mexico making history electing its first female president, but will her landmark victory change anything about the border crisis? it all comes after the shooting of two new york city police officers overnight, reportedly by a migrant suspect. dave rubin will join us next with more. ing ughh from a backed up gut? ughh. miralax works naturally with the water in your body to help you go. free your gut and your mood will follow. for 8 grams of fiber, try mirafiber gummies. let's get started. bill, where's your mask? i really tried sleeping with it, everybody. now i sleep with inspire. inspire? no mask? no hose? just sleep. learn more, and view important safety information at inspiresleep.com

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>> sandra: president biden is expected to take executive action on the southern border this week, just as mexico makes history by electing its first female president, who won by a wide margin. but the question remains whether her landmark victory will change anything that is happening at our southern border and beyond. team coverage right now. gillian turner is at the white house, but let's begin

with our senior correspondent, william la jeunesse, in l.a. for us. william, does she have a mandate to? if so, what is it? >> she did win big, as you mentioned, sandra, and she does have a mandate to stop the crime and corruption stifling mexico, especially the seven mexican states largely under cartel controlled. for the u.s., the election was more about three things: trade, drugs, and immigration. as mexico want to control its own border and reduce the thousands of migrants who use the country as a stepping stone to u.s.? claudia sheinbaum is a former mayor of mexico city and a phd climate scientist, partially trained in the u.s. at uc berkeley. >> with the united states, we will have a relationship of friendship, mutual respect, and equality as we have had so far. we will always defend the mexicans who are on the other side of the border. >> now, sheinbaum vowed to continue the social policies of her mentor, current president

manuel lopez obrador, that she may choose a different path on the cartels. under the failed "hugs not bullets" policy, crime became the number one issue with voters. with homicide rates near record levels. >> she will serve mexican women well by cracking down on crime, and that means going after these cartels. >> which of course make their money smuggling people and drugs. a member of her team has admitted that mexico does need to do a better job of controlling their southern border. >> mexico, probably more than any other country, can either undermine or strengthen the u.s. border and migration policy. >> on trade, sheinbaum want to assure u.s. manufacturing from china to boost the economy. her term begins october 1st, but with this new executive order, if we cap migration, that could have the effect of filling those shelters on the south side, testing their capacity, and

whatever the new government does as the shelters for philip. >> sandra: which leads to what we will hear in our next story. william la jeunesse, thank you. john? >> john: as william just alluded to, president biden reportedly considering long-awaited executive action on the border, but republicans are already calling it too little, too late. gillian turner live at the white house this afternoon. how long have they been considering this action? it seems like a long time. >> it is months, john, that the white house has been teasing some kind of executive action on the boarded. now it looks like something is actually going to happen. re anticating the president making a big announcement sometime between right now and tomorrow when he departs for europe. let's take a look at some of the details we are learning this afternoon. new information coming in all the time. the white house plans to shut off asylum requests and automatically deny entry to migrants each day, once the nunumber of people encountered y border officials reaches a daily cap that the ap is now reporting is set at 2500 migrants per day.

the total number of migrants known to have entered the u.s. has grown to over 8 million now since president biden took office. it's a number larger than the population of 38 states altogether. just about 5.1 million of those people who remain here in the u.s. are now here illegally. house speaker mike johnson says any moves biden makes at this point are not going to work. take a listen. >> it is too little, too late. now he's trying to desperately show the american people somehow that he want to address the issue that he himself created. we documented 64 specific executive actions that president biden and secretary mayorkas at dhs took over the course of the last three and half years, beginning on the first day that president biden took office, to open the border wide. they did it intentionally. >> recent fox news pulling her flex and american voters on both sides of the aisle now are concerned. the crisis at the southern border is the second most important issue for voters.

both sides of the aisle, ahead of 2024. right now the president is not here at the white house, we are not scheduled to see him today until he departs for a fund-raiser. he will go from wilmington, delaware, to connecticut later in evening. that is at about 9:30. so the clock is really ticking down here in terms of time left for the president to make an announcement of this magnitude, john. >> john: jillian, a real quick question here. if the plan goes through, and then they close the border down, they deny entry, have they said how they're going to stop people from coming across the border illegally? >> no, none of those details yet. just that they are planning to somehow, as you said, shut it down, cap it off daily at 2500. a couple outlets are reporting even more, that the number will be higher than that. this is the associated press saying 2500 right now. >> john: i still don't know how you stop at 2500. gillian, thank you.

sandra? >> sandra: meanwhile an emotional scene unfolding in new york after two mid. and ipd officers were shot overnight. that is the emotional scene as those officers left the hospital, one of them in a wheelchair. his partner pushing him. thank god they are going to be okay. the suspect in that shooting is a migrant, living in a public shelter, and has a record. take a listen. >> he's 19 years old. he has no prior arrests in new york city. however, he is a suspect in several robbery patterns currently going on in the borough of queens. he entered the country from venezuela, he entered through eagle pass, texas, back in july of 2023. we know that he entered the country illegally. >> sandra: let's bring in the host of "the rubin report," david rubin is here. great to have you new york. your heart breaks, you see those officers, thank god they were they are seen leaving the hospital. it appears they're going to be

okay. but injured in the line of duty by someone who should not -- was not here illegally in the first place, and had a track record. >> i spent most of my formative years, 20 years, in the city. i don't live here anymore, but when i come back i can see how the city has changed. i just drove by the roosevelt hotel as we were come here from the airport, which is now a migrant shelter. we know about the crime. we know the police are not backed by the mayor or even the governor. so god bless these guys, and i know the city stands with them. the people of the city stand with them. it's the administration, the local administration, the mayor here, and the governor, and of course the federal administration that is allowing these migrants to come in. andrew breitbart was same as for saying that politics is downstream from culture. what i've been saying lately is that everything is downstream from immigration. if you don't fix this problem, whether you care about the economy or whether you care about crime or drugs or the litany of things that people care about, none of these things will be fixed if you --

>> sandra: it's interesting you say that, because democrats are telling their own party that. doug schoen is an influential consultant and in his column he takes a big picture to what happened with the former president last week, guilty verdict won't seal the deal for either man. here's what we'll deliver a win. voters are focused on what's important to them, and concerns like inflation. the cost of living in the southern border. hello? you know who else stands with these cops? the police benevolent association president, patrick henry. the migrants who were shot, and why this is happening. listen. >> why wasn't he afraid to shoot new york city police officers? we have been in courtrooms across the city, demanding change, packing those courtrooms, demanding change to the criminal justice system. and what we notice when the cameras are on, everyone is

doing their job, holding criminals accountable. when the cameras are off and people aren't paying attention, the criminal justice system is putting police officers and the public at risk. >> sandra: is a powerful message with the mayor standing at his side. >> sandra, you know this. bill de blasio, his predecessor, basically a socialist, and he's the one who destroyed the relationship between the administration and the nypd. people thought eric adams was coming into fix it, but he hasn't, which is now widely have record retirement coming out of new york city police officers. they don't want to be in these situations. you can't blame them. many of them are now moving to florida, or texas, and you get a 2-tiered policing system and the entire country, because the best of the best which used to be the nypd -- again, i say this with great sympathy to all the good officers who are they are trying -- they are doing places where their administrations will back them and here they want. whether you see them being shot, a plethora of videos of them being attacked on the street,

afraid to use their weapons, and the so ps have changed. it's a recipe for disaster. >> sandra: i also want to ask you, because you write about and talk about so much with the covid pandemic, and anthony fauci, for the first time he testified before congress since leaving public office and there was this exchange. toward the end of the hearing today, with jim jordan. >> do you agree that there was a push to downplay the lad leak theory? >> not on my part. >> really? >> really. >> wow. i think most of the country would find that amazing. i've still got 11 seconds. >> well, look at the facts. i kept an open mind throughout the entire process. >> he's a piece of work. almost everything he said if there was either a lie or a complete confusion. he's now admitting 6 feet social distancing was basically made up. we know that he has claimed he had nothing to do with schools closing down. he had emailed friends of his going on vacation just two or

three months into covid telling them they shouldn't worry about masks, because they don't work. what this is about at this point is, is this all kangaroo stuff? is this banana republic stuff or something going to happen to anthony fauci? >> sandra: which is it? >> unfortunately i think it is probably the former. it should be the latter. if we don't deal with people who forced us to be injected -- i'm not vaccinated. they were two years where i couldn't even come here because i'm unvaccinated. to this very building. people had to make all sorts of unbelievably horrific choices, to not go to their grandparents funerals, kids out of school than i had learning delays. the laundry list of things, and it is almost exclusively -- not exclusively, but almost exclusively because of that man. and he seems to have no remorse and basically blames pod casters. i don't know if he saw that portion, he blamed pod casters. so i guess it's me and rogan. >> sandra: it was her markable hearing, as we let our show today, i think the american public is left with more

questions than answers after hearing him speak. >> they better want answers, because if not, this will happen again and again and again. >> sandra: it was nice to have you. >> nice to see you in person! >> sandra: are we still saying that? >> in person, its wild! >> sandra: good to see you. john? >> john: the moratorium is on happy new year, by the way. caitlin clark no stranger to draining shots on her defenders, but has a different kind of shot that put her on the ground and sent the basketball world into an uproar. we will break it all down withs michele tafoya coming upto next. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need... ...without the stuff you don't. so, here's to now. boost. choose advil liqui-gels for faster, stronger and longer-lasting relief than tylenol rapid release gels because advil targets pain at the source of inflammation. so for faster pain relief, advil the pain away.

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talking. former nfl sideline reporter and host of the michele tafoya podcast, michele tafoya joins us now. what happens is chennedy carter from the chicago sky wanted to get caitlin clark, it would seem, out of the way. gave her a hard shoulder and she went down like a sack of iowa corn. initially it was called in off the ball foul but it's been upgraded to a flagrant i. what do you think happened to? >> before i began covering the nfl i was one of the first play-by-play voices, national play-by-play voices, on the wnba alongside reggie miller. i don't ever recall seeing anything like this. my first reaction when i saw this play was, flagrant foul, what are they doing? and maybe eject her. it was crazy to me. we had a heated debate about it at a family dinner last night. we had one dissenter, that one of us believed this was suspend.

this is not professional. this is a professional league. the other thing that wasn't professional was angel reese skipping the postgame press conference. i think we saw in later footage of this that she hugged chennedy carter after chennedy came off the floor after that shove, like, "you did it, girl." it was like an episode of "mean girls," and it was so unwarranted and unnecessary that i'm surprised the league hasn't gone a little further. but i would guess behind the scenes, john, the league and coaches and general managers are talking about cleaning up this act. >> john: the league did sign angel reese for not making that press conference, and they find. some people were saying it was in this play which was the previous play where they are wrestling over the ball. watch. carter comes up behind

caitlin clark, caitlin clark throws her arm around, and may have elbowed her in the face, according to some fans. it's very hard to see. but chennedy carter did seem to come up behind caitlin clark before she gave her the shoulder and said that she seemed to mouth -- i don't think she mouthed it, but you can see "you --" rhymes with "witch," and gives her the shoulder. is this growing pains now that my eyes are on the wnba? hazing for caitlin clark? how do you read it? >> i think it is more hazing for caitlin clark. we have people early on, when she was setting her records in college basketball saying, just wait, it's a different story at the wnba, it's a different level, give yourself some grace. i think she is learning that, that she does feel she is getting some shots. and there does seem to be an enormous level of jealousy of this woman. people who are saying she's getting endorsements that they can't get because their skin

color isn't the same. i would remind them that the first woman who ever had a nike shoe named after her was cheryl swoops, and african american player who is one of the superstars in the early days of the wnba. so just making it so blatantly racist, i don't think that's what we want to do. but it does seem to me to be this attack on caitlin for a number of reasons. and it seems to me that some of these players are suggesting she's getting what she's getting because she is white. she scored more in college basketball then any male or female in history has done. i think that is a lot of the excitement. she clearly drew eyeballs to the ncaa tournament, she is clearly drawing eyeballs to the wnba. these players, it would be great if they could just play their hardest and get recognized in the same telecasts that caitlin clark is in. >> john: she has lit a fire under the wnba in terms of the

tendons in viewership, maybe in a way that hasn't happened since sheryl swoopes took to the floor. and she seems to be taking it in stride. listen to what she said in the postgame press conference. >> it is what it is. i feel like i'm at the point where you accept it and don't retaliate. just let them hit you, be what it is. >> john: but clark's coach said no, the wnba has got to do something about this. she said it's tough to keep getting hammered the way she does and to not get rewarded with free throws or foul calls. she's continuing to fight through that. appreciate that from her, really proud of her for doing that. and this just came out, the sky coach said she talked to chennedy carter about it. she said, speaking un to chenney understands are better ways to h us on the court and she will len from this as we all will. >> teresa is one of the all-time greats who ever played in the wnba and i'm pleased to hear her

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>> sandra: house lawmakers pressed anthony fauci for the first time since he retired from public service. it happened earlier today. republicans were hitting fauci with questions about the covid lab leak theory and the government response to the pandemic. dr. marc siegel, fox news contributor and professor of medicine at nyu langone medical center, joins us now. always good to catch up with you. as our viewers no, you joined us at the pandemic, so did dr. fauci. what did you think of what you heard in that hearing room this morning? what was your take away? >> i have a number of things to say. first of all, i interviewed tony multiple times, and when it came to covid origins, he always said and says that he keeps an open

mind. the problem with that is that he clearly believes it came from a wet market, and he found support for that theory. and wasn't looking deeply into the question of lab origins, which really is something that needed to be given at least equal weight given that the wuhan institute of virology is there, given that they are funding research, that has backed coronavirus research, and also here in north carolina we are playing with coronaviruses. the second point is i have emailed with dr. fauci multiple times, and his point that he only ever uses his professional email. that has been my experience with him, as well. as far as schools, i don't think he bears the full blame for that, either. in july of 2020, he said to me on the radio, i want the schools open by the fall. he backtracked on that, he was back and forth on that, and i think one of the points he made

today that applies to him is that we need consistent, open, humble public health communication. we didn't get it throughout the pandemic. he is primarily a vaccine expert, by the way, and he was promoting these vaccines. as you know, i promote these vaccines. i think the question came about mandates, really. >> john: again today he said he kept an open mind, but the preponderance of evidence was leading them to believe it was a spillover and not something that came out of the lab. he was grilled on this idea on g literally invented out of thin air. watch this exchange. >> the cdc's decision, it was their decision to make, and they made it. >> and you didn't feel an obligation as the lead scientist at the nih to challenge that? >> i've challenged the cdc multiple times. >> publicly, on this regard? publicly you challenge them on the 6-foot distancing? >> it's not appropriate to be publicly challenging a sister

organization. >> john: but he was happy enough to sideline dr. robert redfield. >> here's a great point. you just made a great point and here's another one. that 6-foot rule came from the 1918 flu and it was studied again on the flu, a complete different virus. we were studying this virus, the coronavirus, and nebraska in february of 2020, and they were finding it all over the room. so we already knew that distancing and masking wasn't going to be enough, and ventilation, it turned out in retrospect, was the way to go, and cleaning rooms. but we knew it then. so it's disingenuous to say, i don't know where that came from. it came from the 1918 flu, and he knew it. of course he was very vocal in every other regard, hydroxychloroquine, everything. he had opinions. he definitely knew that this was a misappropriation of science here. spew >> sandra: he was also aquestiod

protocols we all lived through, whether or not these were justified. listen. >> i'm going to go through a list of covid mitigation measures you supported over the course of the pandemic and i will ask you to give me a "yes" or "no" as to whether you believe these measures were justified. business closures? >> 5,000 people were dying a day, yes. >> church closures? >> same thing. >> school closures? >> ? >> again. >> stay-at-home orders? >> these were important when we were trying to stop the tsunami of deaths that were occurring early on. how long you kept them going is debatable. >> sandra: how long "you" kept them going is debatable, but we know those recommendations went beyond the time when there was that many deaths happening per day. what was your reaction when you heard that? >> yeah, and it was like, okay, it was my idea to begin with but then he became other people's idea to bend the curve and flatten the curve.

that was supposed to be two weeks. we found out fairly early on, when you took people out of the workplace and put them at home, they spread covid in a building because they were poor people and rich people could be sequestered at their beach house somewhere. but poor people spread covid. when you close schools, kids spread in the communities. i think those closures went on too long and it would have been something he could have admitted to today. >> john: something we will keep discussing. thanks for joining us. we'll be right back.

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