america. >> steve: meanwhile. >> brian: i'm in dallas tomorrow. breakfast with friends and live there. we'll talk to a lot of people on camera and buy a lot of food. >> steve: things kick off at 5:00 a.m. central time until 8:00 a.m. >> lawrence: pack the house for kilmeade, my dallas folks. >> ainsley: do you want them to get dressed? >> i will be dressed. stay within yourself. [chanting]

>> bill: you can hear the chants long live the intifada. this is in downtown new york city and they are back at it beyond the pale. pro-palestinian protestors targeting an exhibit in lower manhattan that pays tribute to the victims of the attacks of october 7th. the mob chanting a slogan calling for violence against the jewish state. more on that momentarily coming up here. get to this. it is happening right now on verdict watch in delaware. a jury weighing whether or not to convict hunter biden on three federal gun charges. he walked in with his wife a moment ago. this will be regardless a momentous decision could come down at any moment watching it from new york city. i'm bill hemmer. what's happening? >> dana: i'm dana perino and this is "america's newsroom." there is so much news this morning we'll get to all of it.

the anti-israeli exhibit is disgusting and outrageous. this is something that judge jeanine said she thinks we'll get a jury verdict before noon today. hunter biden accused of illegally buying a gun when he was a drug addict. the charges carry a sentence of 25 years if prison. that is unlikely as a first time offender. >> bill: the defense is banking on a homefield advantage. playing up his struggles with addiction hoping it will resonate with the jury in delaware. >> dana: let's go to rich edson outside the courthouse in delaware, where he has been reporting every day on it. >> jurors should be heading into the courtroom shortly. the judge will address them briefly and go back to deliberations. hunter biden is here again. he showed up a short while ago with his wife melissa and attorney abbe lowell. there was some discussion the defense team floated having him

take the stand last week. he did not do so and they moved into final deliberations. the deliberations were an hour ten minutes yesterday. the prosecution says there is overwhelming evidence that in october 2018 hunter was a drug user, lied about it on a federal form to buy a gun and illegally possessed that weapon for 11 days. prosecutors recapped text messages, testimony from hunter's texts and the gun store owner who sold him the gun. biden family members in the courtroom which included first lady jill biden saying people sitting in the gallery are not evidence. and that nobody is above the law. the defense acknowledges hunter dealt with the drug addiction from 2015 to 2019. abbe lowell maintains hunter was not a drug user when he bought and owned that firearm. he called the prosecution's case a magic trick relying on evidence of past drug abuse to

prove hunter was using drugs when he bought that gun. lowell says there are no photos showing or testimony from witnesses who saw hunter use drugs in october 2018. the deliberations should be underway here shortly. whole bunch of people at the courthouse today. one of those days here. throw it back to you guys. >> dana: sounds like you have a fan. >> bill: catching the micro phone, too. kerri urbahn joins us, too. the bidens' influence and power in the state cannot be underestimated. the sympathetic issue is the one that hunter biden's legal team is focusing on. size that up, kerri, for us today. >> of course, if you are sitting there as a juror directly looking into the eyes of the first lady, hunter biden's stepmother, looking at his family members, you have to remember this is a small town small state kind of feel. of course it is going to move you in some way and that is what

i think abbe lowell, the defense attorney, has been shooting for. also why i thought it was especially significant that d.o.j. opened their closing argument yesterday by pointing to them and you have to remember there are several feet away. that's a gutsy move looking directly at family members saying what their doing doesn't matter. this is about evidence and went on to present what feels like overwhelming evidence of hunter biden's drug use both before, during and after the time he purchased the gun including text messages to the widow of his brother who died. he sent a message in the next couple of days after the gun purchase talking about smoking crack, meeting dealers and all that. >> dana: listen to jonathan turley on hannity last night talking about what delaware is like. >> abbe lowell, the defense counsel, put up a series of defenses that collapsed within two days. prosecutors methodically destroyed all of these claims. in a normal case, that jury

would have been out for an hour and come back with a conviction. the defense is playing to a delaware jury. this is biden town. >> dana: one thing i wanted to ask you about and had to look up the definition of this so i think it would be helpful for the audience. a possibility of jury nullification. what does that mean and why might it happen here? >> it is pretty simple. it means the jury knows this person is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. evidence and testimony is there but decide to put that aside and basically send a social message to the public saying we know this person is guilty but we think it is more important to acquit him because of whatever the message is they're pushing. here it would be addiction. now i would think, though, they are also contending with the fact just because you are addicted doesn't mean that you have license to commit illegal acts and do all the kinds of things that hunter biden did. again, the evidence was extensive. much more than i realized.

on to have of it, a rare thing in a trial. you had the defendant in his own words on tape via his audio book describing extensive illegal activity for years and years and years including around the time period he bought the gun. the jurors had to sit there and looking at hunter biden across the room they are listening to his voice describe all that. >> bill: leo weiss, interesting scenario you present when you are an attorney and looking at people in the audience in the front row who have been there more or less every day since the trial began. weiss said this, was he an addict? did he know he was an addict when he filled out the form? that's all you have to decide. when he decided to lie on that form, that's when the crime was committed. is it that simple? >> normally it really would be that simple. jonathan turley was saying that as well. we live in upside down times.

this whole thing wreaks of politics. i mean -- what i mean by that is they could have brought this years ago, the d.o.j. this is a very simple case, open and shut. evidence is overwhelming. they chose not to. why? probably because he was the president's son or then the vice president's and new the ramifications if they brought the charge against him. the sweetheart plea deal fell apart and political pressure to change that. now they've gone the other way. we'll see what happens. it will be interesting to see how the jury contends with all of this and we'll find out today, i think. >> dana: what is your prediction? do you think it will go past noon or easy for them to wrap it up this morning? >> i heard what you said about judge jeanine and i have to defer to the judge given all her years of expertise. i will say, though, there was chatter whether it would go past lunch. typically jurors enjoy a free lunch. so that was part of the

discussion at the courthouse yesterday. >> dana: we got word the jury is deliberating now as we speak. we'll find out. regardless it probably will come today before or after noon, who cares, really. thank you so much, kerri. also this on the border crisis. fox cameras capturing hundreds of migrants pouring across the southern border into san diego sector. border crossings continue despite president's biden's action. they are likely to be released into the u.s. matt finn live at the border in california. tell us more. >> all day long yesterday we stood right here and interacted with a very large group of 400 illegal migrants who crossed into the united states in a single clip. these migrants tell us they are organized and gathered by their human smugglers in mexico and then at various times throughout the day and week pushed over

into the united states in clusters. we talked to migrants from iran, yemen, china, india, moritania and beyond. we're talking border patrol agents, one or two agents see these groups of hundreds approaching, they brace for them and then once the illegal groups cross, border patrol tries to find the resources to process the illegal migrants. >> just outside of the san diego metropolitan a fresh group of migrants who illegally crossed freely into the united states. now these overwhelmed border patrol agents have to process every one of them. as those migrants wait, they sit in the scorching desert sun for hours. many of the migrants who illegally cross tell us they are taking one, if not many flights into mexico and then they meet their human smugglers who guide them into the u.s. i spoke to one man from india who didn't want his face on camera. he says his passport was taken

in mexico, pay to get it back before coming into the united states. >> president biden issued an order last week saying that you are not eligible for asylum anymore because you crossed illegally. how does that make you feel? >> you just tell me i didn't know this news. i don't have a phone there. you just tell me and it is a dilemma. >> the most simple observation you can make here, dana and bill, at the united states border this is a well-oiled machine. human smugglers are abusing the united states. they are abusing our border patrol agents, and they are pushing over hundreds of migrants in a single day sometimes. these migrants tell us they are paying upwards of $10,000 plus to human smugglers. the cartels and human smugglers are being enriched off our united states southern border. dana and bill. >> dana: thank you for the report as your day gets underway as the sun comes up.

[shouting] >> you are the stupid one. >> why would you come in here? >> bill: new york city anti-israel protests turning ugly in town. how police responded as groups ta targeted a memorial to victims of october 7th. this is now public, watch half a world away. [gunfire] >> dana: you will want to see this. harrowing new footage showing israeli forces rescuing four hostages held by hamas. >> bill: more bad news for the president. why a top pollster is saying it might be time for him to drop out entirely. [shouting]

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>> bill: here we go now. the jurors are deliberating. the judge brought them back in about 11 minutes ago, asked them if they had talked to anyone, been influenced by anyone, done any research on the case on social media. they all said no and shook their heads and told them to go back and continue deliberations. that's where we are at the moment. hunter biden and his wife were seated in the front row. that's your update as of 9:17 in wilmington, delaware. [chanting]

>> dana: chaos engulfing new york city. anti-israel protestors take to the streets in a day of rage sending off smoke bombs and flares and waving flags of hamas. >> bill: the violence also spilling into a subway station. the protestors glorifying the terror attack that killed 364 concert-goers alone marking it, they say, in lower manhattan as a great triumph. one word summed up. inhuman. bryan llenas has the fallout in new york with us as well today. good morning. >> bill and dana good morning. this anti-israel protest began here in union square in

manhattan before shifting further downtown to wall street where these protestors were chanting outside of that exhibit meant to remember and honor the lives of the 364 who were murdered by hamas on october 7th at the nova music festival. protestors lit flares and smoke bombs and waved palestinian flags but the flags of hamas and hezbollah terrorist organizations. outside of the exhibit protestors chanted israel go to hell and long live the intifada. largely seen as a call for violence against israelis and jews. listen for yourself. >> long live the intifada. [chanting] >> israel, go to hell.

[cheers and applause] [more chanting] >> bill: you could hear them cheering there as well. protestors clashed with officers scuffling over the barricades set up outside. they call it vicious targeting. mike lawlor called it disgusting. the day of rage started in union square protestors clashing with nypd officers and pro-israel supporters who showed up to counter them and the mob unfurled a banner that read long live october 7th. the most deadly attack in israel's history that killed 1200 people. holding up a banner that says

long live september 11th. new york city subway in union square saw defacing on the trains with graffiti. officers in riot gear were called and inside subway cars riding inside along these protestors. through all that video, through all of those clashes, six summons were given out. three for those who didn't pay the subway and three for unknown reasons. remarkable restraint by the nypd given what we saw. >> bill: that means they'll be back. bryan llenas in lower manhattan. >> dana: he posted this. biden hit a new all time low in approval. 37.4% at 5:38 yesterday. dropping out would be a big risk but some threshold below which continuing to run is a bigger risk. are we there yet? i don't know but it is more than

fair to ask. some argue biden's behavior in public is raising concerns over his age where last night he appears to freeze. ♪ >> dana: we'll run it in full so you can see it there. here with his reaction deputy chief of staff karl rove. your reaction. >> painful, really painful to watch. he also mangled his teleprompter remarks. he is old. he is really old.

and nothing between now and the 146 days from now when we vote, finish voting is going to change, i suspect. >> bill: there appears to be this confluence of opinions and ideas at the same time, right? you have the nate silver thing that dana just read. you have atlantic magazine saying 81 he is too old to run for president. either one of those men are right wing crazies. you have to video you just played and overwhelmingly americans are against the whole student loan bail-out. that's four for four in one day. >> add a fifth one. he has a record disapproval rating on his job performance of any modern president and so yeah, this is not good news for him. look, it is late but remember, all the delegates to the democratic national convention have largely been selected. people who were vetted by and named by the biden team.

so they are more traditional democrats. this won't be a convention nominated -- dominated by bernie b b bros. he said i have a lot of things on my plate. the world with big challenges, i focus my attention on that and leave it up to the convention who the nominee is. the maneuvering and ratings for the chicago convention would be off the charts. nobody would get the nomination on the first ballot which means on the second ballot the super delegates, house of lords of the democratic party could begin to vote. nominate somebody and america would want to find out who that person is and spend a lot of time the end of august deciding. it could be something new and fresh puts the democrats ahead and on their way to victory. we don't know but look, that was painful last night and nothing

will change between now and november. >> dana: i was talking to bill about this before our show. and because you were there in the white house and many people have worked in white houses. we were there. one thing i remember learning is that when the rubber hits the road, there is only one person in our country who can make a decision, if necessary, to protect the country. and they have to be able to make that decision in a split second based on principle, knowledge gathering. you can't defer to aides when a big decision like protecting the country would come to be. i hesitate because i do respect the presidency. i respect the president of the united states. i respect the office. i respect my elders but i look at this and i think how could anyone feel confident? the white house wants to say these are selective videos, cherry picking. that isn't the case. it is happening all the time, much more regularly. i think the seriousness of this

really does need to be stated. in some ways you can make fun and have funny memes. >> bill: it is a singular decision. >> dana: the seriousness here that is overwhelming right now. >> it speaks to the selfishness of joe biden and the biden family. does jill biden, his wife, think history will treat him well? does his sister, valerie, who played a big role in his campaigns since he ran for county council, does she think this will get a good mark in history? let's say he wins, which the more that people see of him, the less likely that is. let's say he wins. is if next four years going to see a renewed and vibrant and on top of it joe biden? no, i don't think so. and the country is not well served. we have 336 million people. is this the best that we can do for the most important job on the face of the planet?

i don't think democrats have asked themselves that question, otherwise they would certainly be answering no, we the democrats can do better is what i think they would say. >> bill: we wanted to talk to you about nevada. save it for another day. breaking news coming up. dana, coming up. >> dana: we talk more about politics on the perino on politics podcast. you can catch it now. >> bill: the update from wilmington. hunter biden departed at 9:21 a.m. when we were speaking with carl about 5 1/2, six minutes ago. biden will have to be back in court for the verdict. he will not come back for any notes from the jury, hum. in new york trump had to be there any time the notes were read back. once the jurors indicate they have a verdict it will be 15 to 30 minutes before court gets back in session. basically however long it takes

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>> dana: welcome back. 15 minutes ago hunter biden left the courtroom because the jury is deliberating and he does not have to stay in the building while they do that. we're awaiting this verdict in

his federal gun trial today. it could happen today if the jury sends back a note to the judge that says we're ready to go it could take 30 to 15 minutes to be organized. hunter biden has to be back in court for that particular piece. right now he is not in the building. >> bill: from delaware we move to this. keep an eye on it leaving nothing to chance over one of the more contested areas of the world. the u.s. military said to be unveiling a so-called hell scape strategy if china were to invade taiwan. it calls for the use of thousands of drones. republican senator dan sullivan just got back from a trip to southeast asia and with us in person. good morning to you. you meet with taiwan's president and others. admiral, commander, i will turn the taiwan strait into an unmanned hell scape. i can make their lives utterly miserable for a month that buys

me the time for the rest of everything. you want to flush that out? >> i'm a big fan of the admiral. he started in the job and aggressive and i like his aggressiveness. i was over there meeting with the taiwanese leadership. we moved over to singapore to meet with allies that we have in the region. here is the challenge. our ship building capacity is in a crisis in the u.s. navy is dramatically shrinking. the admiral, a great plan, but we don't have the navy to execute that at all. the biden navy, let me give you some of the numbers, has gone from 293 ships to 280 ships by 2027 that's when xi says he wants to be ready for an invasion of taiwan. meanwhile, china's ship building will go to over 400 ships by 2027. we're being outmatched in a huge way. i know the admiral is very

concerned about that. i've spoken to him. >> dana: you laid out these numbers here. people can see the vast amount. why is it so important for us to have ships like this? that might sound like a simple question but we're in the department of asking dumb questions. is answer is obviously what it is but i want to hear you explain to the american people why does this matter? >> this matters hugely with regard to the -- our interests in the south china satisfy. the entire u.s. navy that is shrinking dramatically. our main adversary, china, is going through the biggest peacetime build-up of the military in history. this is what happens when you have an aggressive dictator who sees an opportunity. our weakness ising -- the secretary of the navy is not focused on ship building nor is the biden administration or war

fighting. this secretary of the navy is more in climate change, if you can believe that, than he does on war fighting and ship building. when you show this kind of weakness with an adversary, it invites chaos. we're seeing that all over the world. >> bill: if trump were to win in november how would it change? >> we're heading back to d.c. in the next hour and marking up the defense authorization act. a bunch of us, bipartisan group of senators have major amendments to try to fix our ship building. i think this would be a great initiative. a number of us are talking about this already with members we think of the incoming trump administration, hopefully president trump wins in november. this would be a very important initiative that i think is tailor made for president trump. think about this. in terms of republicans, whether it's teddy roosevelt with his great white fleet, reagan who built a 600-ship navy. this exactly what republicans

do. peace through strength. >> bill: when we went to the arctic a couple of months ago is ice breakers. putin had 54. some nuclear powered. >> almost all are weaponized. >> bill: we have two and one is broken in dry dock. >> we're overmatched in so many parts of the world. the arctic is my home. that's alaska. but the russians and chinese in terms of naval assets are overmatching us all over the world. we have to fix it. we've done this before. we know how to build ships. we know how to build a military. right now with this administration, every year president biden has put forward a budget that shrinks the army, shrinks the navy and marine corps. that is the wrong message to be sending our enemies. >> bill: seems like an issue that goes under the radar. >> dana: if republicans win more seats in the senate you could have two additional veterans who

are then maybe more military minded and can help you get it across the finish line. >> we have great candidates and we'll get back with peace through strength when president trump takes the white house and the republicans take a senate. >> bill: we're watching the jury deliberations in wilmington, delaware. the hunter biden gun trial. they're deliberating. i guess you could say they are in hour number two with one hour yesterday under their belt. more on that could get a verdict any moment. stay tuned. apple taking a powerful stance in the a.i. space. the after shock could have a lasting impact on the tech world and the phone that you are holding in your hand right now. ♪

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>> dana: you're watching "america's newsroom." apples new partnership with de open a.i., musk calls it a security violation. another thing he says it's absurd that apple isn't smart enough to make their own a.i. and somehow incapable of insuring open a.i. will protect your privacy. they have no clue once they hand your data over to open a.i. they're selling you down the river. >> bill: grab a paddle. >> this is not about apple but his feud with sam altman. they started open ai together. the entire premise was elon musk said i'm a billionaire. we'll do this for the benefit of humanity. altman said i want to go ahead and make my own $3 hundred billion. they had a parting of the ways.

elon musk has since sued sam altman and open a.i. because chatgpt has become so successful. now that apple is partnering with chatgpt, elon musk sees it as a slap in the face. now you have him facing off in the courtroom. >> bill: he is doing his own xai thing as well. he loves x. apple always talks about security and privacy. maybe elon has a point on that. >> everyone is rushing into this a.i. thing acting like it will be a consumer-friendly thing. i don't think it is. a.i. is great at synthesizing large amounts of information. i'm sick of people acting like we'll have a.i. assistance. it is not very good on a personal level and we don't need to synthesize large amounts of information. we need help taking small amounts of information and

stretching out time. we don't need to go that direction. we need to go the other direction. >> bill: lily and caroline are safe then. >> dana: that debate will continue. karine jean-pierre, the white house press secretary is frustrated with the media. i get it. here is what she said yesterday about frustration about the media muddying her message. >> now when i address the press from the white house podium, the only thing that stands between me and getting our message out to the american public is whether the people sitting in those chairs and the folks watching at home feel like they can trust me. >> dana: kennedy, she is frustrated about the media >> they can't trust her. she feels like a propagandist. she is delivering the message from a notebook. it is not resonating in her heart. not a clear message because she doesn't know what the message is. she is being given the message

and then she ob -- doesn't give the press pointed answers to the question they give her. people are concerned about the president's age and cognitive faculties. >> dana: you look at the videos from last night and one of the things that she has said she can run circles around him at the white house. >> bill: radio host got on the air from charlotte, north carolina and this happened, right? okay. roll it. >> this is a president if you watch him every day and pay attention to his record and what he has done, you will see exactly how -- how -- how focused he has been on the american people and historic his actions have been. i'm not even going to truly, truly -- really, you know, take the premise of your question. i think it is incredibly insulting. >> bill: we missed the part

before she just hung up. >> i don't entirely blame her. i don't think she has been very good at her job but it is probably not her fault. when she is doing what she is supposed to do, kind of answer questions about policy, she is very articulate and sounds well. when she gets questions, she gets frustrated because the administration doesn't want to answer those questions. so they send her out there and say whatever you do, don't answer the questions. the only thing you can do is go to the press and say how dare you ask that question. some form of that is every answer when they try to ask her things she doesn't want to hear. i can't believe you are asking me this or hangs up. >> or says i've already spoken to that and answered that questions. no you haven't. you have 20 questions on the same subject. members of the white house press corps haven't gotten a satisfactory answer. >> bill: would you concede she has a tough job? >> dana: oh my gosh, a very,

very tough job and knowing the policy is important. one of the problems for them they have bad facts. if you have good facts, you can have better communication. it is not necessarily that they have to message it better. it is that they have a huge border problem, 86% of people think he is too old to run for re-election. she says she can run circles around him at the white house and he is frozen in time and i think that people are like we don't actually feel a connection with her because she seems like she is condescending to people because i do think she is trying to be protective of him and cares about the president very much but the press corps, i think, deserves better. they talk about how transparent he is with the press? he doesn't do the interviews. the ones he does, the long one with "time" magazine he says that yeah, he has aged and doesn't remember thing. mixes up south africa with russia and it is a tough job but they make it harder. >> bill: thank you kennedy and tom and dana. >> dana: thank you for letting

me have a lecture. >> bill: want to get to this right now. there is amazing video that we want to share with you. this is about as dramatic as it gets. these are idf soldiers going into a part of gaza trying to rescue israeli hostages. we'll play the rest of it for you in a moment after the break. a jury right now deciding the fate of the first son, hunter biden, we'll bring you the verdict as soon as it happens. we're on verdict watch on "america's newsroom." back in a moment as we continue right after this.

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>> bill: this issue is back in the news. former new york governor andrew cuomo arriving on capitol hill for a transcribed interview behind closed doors on the covid response. aishah hosni talked to him. >> i am so proud of new yorkers

and the facts show that. >> why did you mandate this? a lot of folks wonder why you pushed this down the throats of nursing homes and then took so long six weeks to reverse it? >> okay. the premise of your question is wrong and if you actually read what has been found by the investigations, it says the opposite. the department of justice found no wrongdoing and investigation said explicitly we followed the federal guidance. cms and cdc did very extensive instructive guidance and the investigations say new york followed the federal guidances. >> why not make it a recommendation instead of a mandate? >> we followed the federal guidance. that would be a question for the federal government. >> bill: we'll see when they go behind closed doors how this goes. we'll get a transcript of the interview at some point and let

you know what his position is now. the former governor of new york on the hill. all right, dana. what's happening? >> dana: the american dream could be yours but a pretty penny. millions of potential home buyers are grappling with sky high mortgage rates and low inventory. there are no houses to buy. the biden administration says their luck will turn, it will take another four years. edward lawrence is live outside of the federal reserve. hi, edward. >> they say they need more time on this. the american dream out of reach for many folks because of the cost of a mortgage as well as the cost of a home. the price of a 30 year fixed under 7%. 87% of mortgages in the united states are under 6% and 60% of those mortgages are under 4% in the united states. chief economist for the national association of realtors said those people are sitting on homes, limiting supply and keeping prices higher and doesn't help the average home sale price in the first quarter of this year $513,000, up 29%

from when president biden first took office. >> those who have properties, they are doing well. home prices high. those who want to participate, first-time buyers are struggling. we have this social divide. hard to jump to the next level, which is the reason why it's critical that we have more supply in the future years. >> they believe we need 50% more supply of homes on the market. new regulations from the biden administration announced last month adds $30,000 in the cost of the home. it all comes back to supply and demand. shortage in homes keeping prices higher as well as the cost of a mortgage. back to you, the american dream is out of reach for many. >> dana: 30,000 more? that's a lot. thank you, edward. >> yeah. >> dana: fox news alert. day two of jury deliberation is underway right now in hunter biden's criminal