dhs identified more than 400 people brought into the united states by an isis affiliated smuggling network. dhs says it's arrested so far about 150. they must have cheered some of the people and let them into the country if you do the math on this. now, they have not determined whether or not any of these people match the terror list. they're looking at 50 different individualses, as they call them, because, of course, they call their victims that too if you caught that, who are at large. they say, well, there could be a number of them who may match the terrorism watch list. so 50 they're not even sure about. they've let some people go. they've arrested 150. that seems like a lot of people who have made it into the country that we don't know a lot about. that's coming up at 1:30 eastern. so watch it. keep it here on fox. "america reports" now. >> fox news has told he crossed the border illegally into the u.s. in february 2023.

he's charged with rape and murder. >> the suspect, was ordered to leave the country by an immigration judge two years ago. >> the migrant telling police he tied up the teens, gagged them with cloth, according to prosecutors, he says, at first he was nervous, but then got comfortable and even recorded this attack. >> they enter the u.s. illegally, were caught, allowed to stay, and now a 12-year-old texas girl is dead. >> we also heard more about indications that jocelyn fought back against her attackers. >> that is just some of the reporting on a string of brutal crimes across the country allegedly at the hands of illegal immigrants. as we await a briefing from homeland security security chief alejandro mayorkas this hour fox news is confirming news on a manhunt for suspects smuggled into the u.s. by an isis-linked terror group. hello. welcome, everyone. i'm sandra smith in new york. there's a lot happening right

now. get to have you here today. >> there is. i'm bret baier in in for john roberts. this is "america reports." former border patrol chief rodney scott joins us in moments, but first live in tucson, arizona, where mayorkas is expected to speak any minute now. >> secretary mayorkas is scheduled to speak in less than 30 minutes from now here at the davis maupin air force base in tucson, arizona. it's a rare press conference about the border. it's been a major concern for quite some time. only more heightened with new information that dhs says it's identified more than 400 migrants from central asia. over 150 people have been arrested. 50 remain at large. dhs insists they don't pose an

imminent threat. this comes after a string of similar busts, including eight men f. earlier this year, dhs secretary mayorkas testified before congress that the u.s. border is as secure as can be, however since then we've since arrests of suspected isis-linked migrants. the current investigate system is weak and is not properly screening migrants arriving to the u.s. >> we don't know who they are, where they came from, and we don't know their intentions. >> secretary mayorkas is expected to tout the plummet in illegal immigrants encounters at the border. even got-aways sits at 470 per day. one arizona border patrol agent here on the ground tells fox it's too early to conclude exactly what's caused the recent drop in illegal immigrant

encounters, including the president's executive orders. >> for us it's just too soon to attribute the decrease to the executive order alone when before that the numbers had already been decreasing. so i can't make that determination. it's too soon. >> we're here in tucson. we're close to the border. but this is not the frontlines of the southern border. by our own reporting the last time secretary mayorkas visited the border was back in february. bret? >> matt finn in tucson, thank you. sandra? >> we bring in rodney scott. dhs identifying over 400 individuals brought to the u.s. from eastern europe and central asian countries by an isis affiliated smuggling network, this happening in just the past few months. your reaction first on that. >> yeah. thank you for having me on again today. i think the most important thing to focus on is this is after the fact.

so the reason we spend billions of dollars on border security in this country is to try to prevent people that pose a risk to this nation, or to individuals in this nation, from ever entering the united states. but the biden administration decided to let everybody come come in and will vet them after the fact. it doesn't work that way. to be able to identify these threats requires a face-to-face interview by trained agents to be able to detect deception to figure out the intent. they can't do that with the massive amount of illegal entries coming across the border every day. by the way, the numbers that dhs is referring to is smoke and mirrors. please a lot look at the total encounters, overwhelming the ports of entry. this administration continues to mislead america. >> sandra: what we are seeing is not working, which is it is going to be crucial that we listen to alejandro mayorkas,

how he defends his policies. a string of heinous, horrific crimes have played out in this country by people here illegally, shouldn't have been here in the first place. our own hillary vaughn on capitol hill was able to stop and press democrats just a short time ago on the murder of that 12-year-old girl down in texas. here was some of the response she got from lawmakers. >> let me ask you quickly about the 12-year-old girl in houston that was tortured. >> i don't even know who you are, who she is. i'm out of about ir. >> okay. but there was a child that was killed -- >> i don't know anything about it. >> you don't know about the child killed by illegal immigrants? should we be releasing people until we're certain of their intentions, whether or not they're potentially going to end up killing an american? >> oh, i think it really is important that we know people's intentions. we have a process for that. sometimes people fall through the cracks. >> it's unfortunate that anybody

is killed obviously, but immigrants, legal or illegal, commit crimes that are way far lower. >> documented immigrants commit crimes lower than anybody else. >> aren't they preventable if they don't allow them into the country? >> summer leigh, a democrat from pennsylvania, and her response to our reporter, hillary vaughn, asking extremely important questions. she said, "i don't know who you are, who she is, i live in pittsburgh." her name is jocelyn, 12 years old, lured under the bridge, brutely assaulted before they murdered her. if she does know who she is, she won't say her name. your reaction? >> it's unfathomable, on every

news network, because they're horrific, preventable crimes. to say you're from pittsburgh, from pennsylvania, that has nothing to do with the border. the border is a transit zone to get to every city, town, and state across this nation. americans, whether they're in pittsburgh, pennsylvania, kansas or oklahoma, they deserve border security because these are preventable crimes. in this administration literally just took down every deterrent strategy and program we had and decided to let the world in. this is what we're -- you know, we're reaping the benefits -- not benefits -- of the last election, these people's policies. this is preventable. border security means vetting people before they come in. we need to get back to the basics. >> sandra: while you go to what we're learning about the 400 individuals brought to the u.s. as we have just now got this reporting in by an isis affiliated smuggling network.

what we're learning so far is an official said the majority of the 400 are not considered subjects of concern, rather that it's a small number. well, that's all it takes. one, two. they can do a lot of damage. and if we're not vetting, we don't know who's in this country. we'll see where that story goes. meanwhile, you know who does know little jocelyn's name, her family. this is the mother of jocelyn. she went on "hannity" on tuesday night. listen here. >> i have to be her voice, make sure that everybody hears the horrible thing that happened to my daughter, and give her justice. this has got to stop. we have to stop burying our kids. this is not right. we need more reinforcement when it comes to letting people in. >> sandra: a desperate plea from a grieving mother. finally, this is mayorkas reacting to the criticism of her

daughter's death. listen. >> our hearts are with the families of the victims. the criminals must be held responsible at the fullest force of the law. >> sandra: we're about to hear from him. what do you want to hear from him, rodney? >> simple words, i'm sorry. i'm sorry for lying to america, saying the border was secure. i'm sorry for tearing down the effective bipartisan policies that provided the most secure border the united states has ever had. i'm sorry for not doing my job as secretary of the department of homeland security, to protect america. i want to hear him acknowledge his failures, say he's sorry, if he's going to put america first for a change, but i doubt if we'll hear any of that today. >> sandra: we appreciate you joining us. we await his remarks.

we'll carry them live. thank you so much, sir. >> thank you. >> a live look in atlanta where the trump campaign is holding a roundtable with local black-owned businesses ahead of tomorrow's cnn presidential debate. you'll see the simulcast hear. voters are eager to hear what they say about the economy when they square off. grady trimble is in atlanta with more. grady, what is the trump campaign discussing with small business owners? >> they're talking about former president trump's no tax on tips proposal, how it could help workers. it's telling that both the trump and biden campaigns were here in atlanta before the candidates themselves meeting with small business owners. that just shows you how important the economy is as an issue, not only tomorrow night, but also as we look ahead to the november election. for his part on the campaign trail, former president trump is promising lower taxes for everyday americans and businesses as well as less

regulation. >> we will cut taxes for working families as part of our tax cuts that i've announced. and there will be no taxes on tips. no taxes on tips. >> president biden, on the other hand, says his legislative wins, like the bipartisan infrastructure law and so-called inflation that reduction act are creating jobs. a senator of this state, campaigning with small business owners yesterday, he claims all of that government spending is spurring private sector investment. >> electric vehicle production, advanced energy research development and manufacturing, semi about conductor manufacturing, coming here to georgia. >> still as president biden and his allies point to his economic record, more than two-thirds of

voters say the economy is in only fair or poor shape. if you can believe it, bret, those are the highest numbers of president biden's presidency. even though polls, as a whole, show an extremely tight race between these two candidates on this particular issue of the economy president trump has a clear advantage. bret? >> grady trimble live in atlanta. thanks. tune into "fox news democracy '24" special coverage of the presidential debate simulcast. our coverage begins at 8:00 p.m. eastern time. that's going to be quite something, sandra. >> huge expectation for that, bret. everything we just covered here should obviously be a part of that conversation on the debate stage. immigration, as we went through the primary season, bret, we saw it state to state to state trumping the economy as the number one issue for so many voters out there. >> especially with all the news this week. it seems like it's front and center. >> absolutely. all right. as we work our way toward that, far left lawmaker jamaal bowman

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i'll state it again, evan has never been employed by the united states government. evan is not a spy. journalism is not a crime. evan should never have been detained in the first place. >> "wall street journal" reporter evan gershkovich appearing in a russian courtroom today at the start of his espionage trial that the white house is calling a sham. russian claims gershkovich gathered secret information for the united states. he faces up to 20 years in prison in russia if convicted. let's bring in paul beckett, assistant editor at the "wall street journal," working on evan's case firsthand since he was arrested. paul, good to see you. >> thank you. >> bret: we saw evan today in that courtroom, that video. what were your thoughts as you watched the video? >> it's very disturbing obviously. you hated to see him caged like that. and we keep saying, you know, he's facing trial. he's not really facing trial. he's facing a hearing in which a judge in secret will endorse the accusations against him, which

are completely false. so you look at it, it's a heavy heart day for us. >> bret: shaved head, a new look. >> prison mandate in the new facility he was moved to. he was 15 months in moscow, moved 9 miles east where this hearing is taking place. >> bret: a letter today from the "wall street journal" in chief, emmett tucker. quote, it will be held in secret, no evidence has been unveiled, and we already know the conclusion. this bogus accusation of espionage will lead to a bogus conviction. the kremlin says we know this topic is high-profile in the united states, but it is not so high-profile inside our country. the investigation is underway. the trial is underway. we must wait for the verdict to be delivered. do you find hope in anything that has transpired in

behind-the-scenes communications in recent weeks? seems like it's been a long time? >> it has been a long time. we have seen activity. we know that there are conversations. we would just like to see more progress. if anything, his new circumstance, which puts him on a path to a long time in russian prison, should heighten the sense of urgency. >> bret: you say it's not a trial. it's a hearing by a judge. is there a defense for it? >> we don't know. it's all done in secret. it's hard to see. he doesn't get all the defense that anybody in this country would get in court. you look at the conviction rate, and it's, like, 99-point-something. we know it's predetermined what the outcome will be. >> bret: here's dan hoffman, either in intelligence on our channel earlier today. >> this is all designed to give vladimir putin additional leverage, because he's trying to extort us as he has in the path to make swaps advantageous to

russia. all indications are that the trial could last not weeks but months, driving up vladimir putin's bargaining power. >> bret: is this a leverage play? >> yeah. we believe that president putin is trying to extract something from the united states and its allies. >> bret: do we know what they want, how the negotiations go? >> putin as much as said it, they're interested in return of security services assassin being held in berlin. >> bret: is the administration close to doing that? >> we don't know. that's all being done in secret. we just know, you know, if evidence were gotten, that will make it more difficult to get him home. that's our task in this. we would like to see something done very quickly. i think after september, with the presidential election, and everything else that's going on in the world, that becomes much harder. this is a window they need to

act. >> bret: until then, you wear the button, "free evan." you keep it in the news, keep talking about it. >> yeah. we appreciate your support in that. thank you. >> bret: thank you. all right. thank you. sandra? >> sandra: bret, the world is watching this for sure, and, you know, having spoken with some of evan's colleagues, there's some who wonder, when he steps into that box, and he does appear relaxed, and at times even smiling, whether that -- you know, he's being forced into that. but it is tough to see. >> bret: really tough to see. we all took part in that reading of evan's articles on the one-year anniversary. >> sandra: yeah. >> bret: really something. that's a long time. >> sandra: indeed. now this, lawmakers rattled by a new chinese megaport now under construction in south america. jillian turner is live at the state department on that. the what is china hoping to get out of that? >> reporter: the communist government is billing this

$3.5 billion port, giving china unlimited access to influence in south america. take a look at the photos. the big idea is trying to get a foothold in america's own backyard, 4500 miles from san francisco. the man goal, establish a direct trade route from peru to shanghai. >> i have watched as china has become the dominant influence, at least economically, and through their diplomacy in our own backyard in the western hem steer, and we have done little to nothing to address it. in november, xi jinping will be there to cut the ribbon on a sea boater to compete with our west coast seaports. they're planning to build a major railroad. >> reporter: the biden administration officials have been warning about china, using this megaport potentially to plant its military, something

they've done at other foreign ports. back in may, lawmakers said the u.s. government should have seen this threat coming from a mile away. >> in 202013, xi jinping announced the initiative to connect the peoples republic of china to the rest of the world through infrastructure. it fits squarely within military ambitions, as many bri projects, especially deep water ports are tailored for military use. >> reporter: so the megaport will be 60 feet deep once completed. it's going to allow china to entirely bypass using other large commercial ports here in the u.s. and also mexico. sandra? >> sandra: jillian turner live at the state department on that. thank you. bret? >> bret: okay, sandra, this is breaking right now. this is a story out of

bloomberg, about a case outside of idaho, being considered by the u.s. supreme court. it deals with abortions, and emergency abortions in that state, if they could happen. the case was being put forward. there was not a release on that case today. it was not one of the decisions that the supreme court had weighed in on. however, it appears that some aspect of this case, whether it is the opinion or not, inadvertently was posted on the supreme court website for a short time. and bloomberg is reporting that the court is poised to rule that abortions could be performed in emergency situations, even though the states that severely restrict access to the medical procedure. this is a big story, sandra, considering the fact that this would be the second inadvertent posting, if you bleach that was inadvertent on the original dobbs case weeks before. >> sandra: because, as shannon

bream points out, this would mark the second time in a couple of years, bret, we'd be looking at a sneak peek of a critical decision at the supreme court. shannon? >> what the court has said, the official statement, the opinion has not been released yet. if it were ready, it probably would have come this morning. there's no reason to hold it back, because we're waiting on so many other big cases. something could be writing a concurrence, something worked on within the majority opinion. the chief always tells us, when the opinion are ready, we release them. there's something that was not ready yet. >> bret: think about this, if this is the opinion, in this is what came forward, at least posted inadvertently, this would be the second time in 2 1/2 years something like this has happened, specifically on an abortion case. >> yeah. if this turns out -- again, we

don't have the copy of the opinion. it apparently happened owe quickly, only one member of the press corps spotted it before it was immediately withdrawn and taken down. we won't be able to compare it when we get it. it is a contentious case left. you're right, it is giving us an early peek that is really difficult. it's going to be one of the things they'll be talking about at the debate tomorrow night. we'll see how quickly we get it. again, the court says, hasn't been released. until it's officially released, it could be changed. language can change, all of that, until it's official. >> sandra: shannon, on this breaking news, if you could set this up more broadly for us. at issue is the question whether hospitals in idaho can be forced by the administration, by the biden administration, to perform abortions in emergency situations, even if the state has a near total ban on the procedure, with an exception to save the life of the mother? >> yeah. what happened is after dobbs was

released and roe v. wade was taken down, essentially what happened is, the biden administration knew that a number of states would have these so-called trigger laws. idaho had one of those these that does kick in. there's a ban on abortions after six weeks. even though, there are exceptions for the life of the mother. the life of the mother gets us to the question about health. some view that as a bigger question. it's not just the life of the mom. it's whether the arguments during this, at the high court, what about if there's damage to her reproductive organs. if bloomberg is right, it sounds like they'll say it's more than a life and death situation. the hospitals that receive medicaid money they could be directed that they need to perform the abortions in any case. this goes oback to a federal law that goes back to the '80s, if somebody shows up, you have to give them emergency care. if they don't have money,

insurance, it's about emergency care, and that abortions be available too. >> reporter: this is from the public information officer, the opinion, idaho versus the united states, has not been released. the court's publication unit inadvertently and briefly uploaded a document to the court's website. the court's opinion will be issued in due course. so that is the court's response here. by the way, just going back to that earlier question about that preopinion that came up in dobbs, which actually did match pretty closely. >> not word for word. >> bret: we never got the end investigation on that, how it happened or who was to blame. >> exactly right. remember, the chief decided to keep it internal. they've got their own investigative system within the court. they've got their own ability to get to documents, get to employees, that kind of thing.

there was no resolution. they tell us that the investigation's ongoing, other things are added, other avenues that are uncovered, they will pursue it. critics said, why didn't you bring in the doj, the fbi, but the court said this was an internal matter they wanted to handle. there's always speculation about who it was, if it was a clerk, only working a one-year term and be gone, beyond the reach of an internal investigation. >> sandra: this could be active and ongoing at the moment surface what the justices are doing. i'm just reading from justice elena kagan, there's a significant number where the woman's life is not in peril, but lose her reproductive organs, lose the ability to have children in the future unless an abortion takes place. obviously an important side to this, shannon. >> the majority of the argument focused on that, not just the

life and death issue, sparing the life of the mother, but looking to health more broadly, whether that includes other situations where a woman would suffer irreparable harm or other damage to her body or reproductive organs. idaho says the life of the mom. it's a life and death situation there. it sounds like. we'll see. >> bret: other big ones, including immunity. >> yep. we'll talk about that on "special report" respondent. >> sandra: live now as promised to secretary mayorkas. he just for a little bit. he's now taking questions. let's listen here. >> i'm sorry. it's hard to hear. >> i'm sorry. i'm with k jjbb. migrants report not getting their belongings back, not receiving paperwork about their deportation. what's their legal status in terms of when they're deported? what sort of paperwork should they be receiving and why are

not belongings returned back? >> we take individual's belongings for the safety and security of our pers those in cy and the agents. we return them when they're moved to a different facility. that is our standard operating procedures. when individuals are removed, they're subject to a five-year bar to admission to the united states. >> good morning, secretary. are there plans to increase appointments? >> no. the number of appointments that are permitted through cbb1, approximately 1,400 to 1,500 a day are based on the capacity of our ports of entry. they are antiquated ports of entry, also in need of funding to modernize them. >> is there an entry ban to the

u.s., and is that a violation of asylum law? >> i didn't get the first part of the question, but i can assure you of one thing, we comply with the law, asylum laws and enforcement laws as well. >> hi, secretary. thank you for being out here today. obviously the media, the nation, has had their eyes on the brutal crimes committed recently by illegal immigrants. one was wearing an i.c.e. ankle monitor. yet this morning you said in an interview that the safety of the american people is the priority and these individuals are vetted. we've heard the i.c.e. and fbi director saying there are significant gaps in intel.

what would say to the american people to assure them they're safe and what would you say to the families of loved ones? >> let me start where you ended. a message to the families, of course our hearts are with them, given their suffering. the safety and security of the american public in indeed our highest priority. we screen and vet individuals when we encounter them. if we learn of derogatory information subsequently, later in the process, then we take enforcement action accordingly. the individual who's responsible for a heinous criminal act is the criminal. we need to bring the full force of the law to bear on that criminal just as i did for 12 years as a federal prosecutor. we encountered dangerous people then and prosecuted them accordingly. that will indeed continue.

>> so you said you comply, but there's reports of migrants being turned who -- >> being turned to? >> to mexico. migrants put on expedited removal to mexico that said they manifested fear. what do you have to say about that? >> our agents and officers not only in the united states border patrol, but in u.s. citizenship and immigration services across the enforcement agencies and humanitarian relief agency, part of the department of homeland security, are well trained in identifying individuals who manifest fear, whether they vocalize that manifestation or whether there are signs of fear. they are well trained. they follow the guidelines we have provided to them.

an individual who does not establish a basis to remain in the united states will in fact be removed. we are enforcing the law. >> hello, sir. how's it going? your department recently arrested eight men from tajikistan. is the department staying any new steps to better screen and identify migrants who may pose a threat to national security? are there other migrants out there released by your department that you're concerned about from a national security perspective? >> let me reiterate the foundational point, that the safety and security of the american people are our highest priority. if an individual is of concern, from a national security or a public safety perspective, they are a priority for detention. the eight individuals who you reference are in fact in custody. we did not have derogatory information when they were first

encountered. concerns were raised question mark. we used our law enforcement authorities to apprehend and detain them. they are in removal proceedings as we speak. >> you said that you're complying with the asylum law and -- >> sorry. it's hard to hear in this venue. >> you said you're complying with asylum lawmakers. laws, and people are still deported. >> you said people are being deported. people are being removed. we're going to continue to remove individuals who have not established a basis to remain in the united states. individuals who do not manifest fear are subject to expedited removal. we are executing that removal process, and we will continue to do so. our agents and officers are well trained in identifying individuals who manifest fear,

and they're complying with their obligations to respect that manifestation. we place people in credible fear interviews when they manifest fear. if we find a negative determination they have not established credible fear, we accordingly remove them. >> secretary -- >> sorry. >> can you hear me for you? >> yeah. >> dhs confirms that 400 migrants with potential isis ties recently crossed into the united states. >> that is incorrect. >> tell us why. >> that reporting is incorrect. we do not have identified 400 people with potential isis ties. and let me again assure you that individuals who are identified to have those ties would pose a concern to us from a public safety and security perspective. they would be priorities for detention and removal.

>> that initial nbc report inaccurate over the 400 potential isis ties? >> i think it is inaccurate. [inaudible question] >> let me be clear about something. precision when one is addressing the facts is very, very important. i just answered your question. let me just be clear. precision when one is dealing with the facts is very, very important. [inaudible question] >> i've answered that question many times. >> i have a question. hi, secretary. thank you. yeah, i wanted to ask, when people sign paperwork to get voluntary return, are they then banned from making the cbp appointment? same question, but if they have

refuse to sign the voluntary return paperwork? >> if an individual does not agree to voluntary return, and they fail to establish a basis to remain in the united states, then they are subject to removal. when they are removed, they are then subject to a bar to admission to the united states. >> okay. so that's a key point he's making right there, bret, because when you go back to the story that we've been reporting on about the federal agents, this is a cbs report, the federal agents apprehended eight men from tajikistan, because they were concerned the men were plotting a possible terrorist attack on u.s. soil, residing in new york, philadelphia, taken into custody earlier this month, the point is, bret, it's always

buried deep in the reporting, that there could be a rough road in getting them back, right? all eight face removal proceedings in this particular case, but that process could be complicated by potential asylum claims, particularly if they face persecution and harm if returned home. that's happening in so many of these cases, bret. >> bret: yeah. sandra, mayorkas, the secretary of homeland security, just wrapped up his q&a there. he said the eight from tajikistan didn't have any reason to be apprehended at the border when they came n. they were let go. there was more information according to the secretary. that's why law enforcement went after them. they are in i.c.e. custody and in removal procedures. there are all kinds of other people who have terrorist -- at least from questions from places that have supported terrorism -- have come in to the country in big numbers, and they don't know either where they are or

tracking them down. that's what we're talking about here, the got-aways, the unknown got-aways, how many are tied to terror watch list. >> sandra: rodney rejoins us. by the way, that reporting that mayorkas says was not true, inaccurate, that was a question by our own matt finn in the room to the secretary. the reporting that fox confirmed was nbc's reporting. fox then confirmed the same information, which was this, that dhs identified over 400 individuals brought to the u.s. from eastern european and central asian countries by an isis-affiliated smuggling network in the past several months. he's calling that reporting inaccurate. your reaction to it? >> so i think the thing everybody should pay attention to that he did say was that precision matters when talking about evidence.

it matters when you're talking about these issues. so when he talks very vaguely about, is there a direct tie to terrorism. that's isn't what the report said. it basically said the smuggling network that smuggles isis-related people, smuggles for isis, actually brought 400 people here. the secretary likes to insinuate that we would have records checks or somehow we would be able to identify who those people were at the border when agents encountered them under their current processes. that is is not true. unless the united states has interacted with them somewhere around the world, taken their fingerprints or gotten them from a friendly nation, or they've been in the united states before and committed a crime, they're going to come up clean on what the secretary claims is a thorough vetting process. >> bret: yeah. it's important, rodney, to listen to his exact words, because you're right, he used precision. we have that q&a, matt finn

asking the question, the secretary answering. let's listen once more. >> dhs confirms that at least 400 migrants with potential isis ties recently crossed into the united states. >> that is incorrect. >> tell us why. >> that reporting is incorrect. we do not have identified 400 people with potential isis ties. and let me, again, assure you that individuals who are identified to have those ties would pose a concern to us from a public safety and security perspective, and they would be priorities for detention and removal. >> you're calling that initial nbc report inaccurate over the 400 potential isis ties? >> i think it is inaccurate. >> bret: yeah. and i've interviewed him a number of times, rodney, and he's specific in how he answers things. what do you hear in that answer? >> i hear him being specifically vague. i'm hearing him say that no

one -- that he doesn't have evidence that they're on the national watch list, but that's the only thing he's bouncing the information off of. he's completely ignoring the fact that there are probably millions of people in the world that want to do harm to the united states, and that that report indicates a smuggling network, who is clearly been identified as smuggling for isis or smuggling in coordination with isis in the past, has brought 400 of their closest friends into the united states. just because they're not on the national watch list yet does not mean they're not a threat. border security, and law enforcement in general, just so you know, is predicated on at some point having a face-to-face conversation with individuals, with people that are trained how to detect deception, how to elicit responses, and then that's when you figure out if someone is a threat, what their true intent is. you can't always rely on records checks. this secretary is misleading america by telling them that our record checks are fantastic, and as long as they don't pop on one

of the watch lists there's not a threat to the united states. i would argue that every story we started with, when this -- when this session started a little while ago, from rachel, from jocelyn, to the terrorists, indicate their system is not working. >> sandra: i mean, according to the reporting, they would not, dhs, confirm if or how many of the 400 have matched the terror watch list. to wave it off as no one in this group of 400 have any ties to isis, when reportedly, and fox has confirmed this reporting as well, were brought in by an organizer through the isis group, umm, that was an interesting moment. we'll have more reaction to this coming up on the show. we appreciate you joining us, chief. thank you. >> bret: thank you, rodney. >> sandra: all right. the a quick break and we'll be right back. you know what's brilliant? boring. think about it. boring is the unsung catalyst for bold. what straps bold to a rocket and hurtles it into space?

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of migrants now in the u.s. are actually pushing inflation higher. downward lawrence is on the north lawn of the white house with that story. edward, good afternoon. >> reporter: a perv member is acknowledging the connection between the open border policies and immigration and inflation that the u.s. is effecting. a voting member of monetary policy says the amount of migrants that have flowed into the u.s. have pushed up certain prices. linlisten to this. >> there's the risk it could limit to persistently high inflation. given the currently low inventory of affordable housing in the united states, the inflow of some immigrants to some geographic areas could result in upward pressure on rents as additional housing supply may take time to materialize. >> that's fed speak for the supply of rental homes could

push prices up in some cities. the national association of realtors says we have a housing shortage of about a million homes or more. it's economics 101. more demand, less supply, prices supply. the biden administration says the unlawful encounters dropped following his executive actions on june 8th, but the memo only promotes what the president did 3 1/2 years into his term and fails to talk about the dangerous heat as a deterrent at the border. the house speaker in a statement to fox business says, each day joe biden enables this crisis, he exacerbates the economic toll, forcing citizens to compete with migrants for resources, further burdening american families, subjecting them to threats to their physical safety. the border will come up as an

issue thursday. bret back to you,. >> sandra: in massachusetts, a jury could decide as soon as today whether or not karen reed is guilty of killing her boyfriend, a boston police officer. her defense team says their client is being scapegoated in a cover-up. molly, can we expect a verdict anytime soon? >> reporter: we don't know what the jury is going to do, where they stand in their deliberations this morning, but this is day two, as we head into the afternoon. the defense attorneys sparred with the judge this morning. they didn't like what we saw on the verdict sheet. the judge admonishing karen reed after this whole discussion was going on with her reaction to the whole conversation. prosecutors say that reed hit her boyfriend, boston police officer john o'keefe with her suv after a night out drinking,

leaving him to die. they've talked about rage-filled voicemails. defense attorneys says she was framed, arguing evidence points to o'keefe being bitten by a dog inside the home of another boston police officer, where read claims she dropped o'keefe off. his body was found on the law. defense says state troopers conducted a shoddy investigation all to pin it on the girl. read has pleaded not guilty to charges of second-degree murder, manslaughter while operating a motor vehicle under the influence of liquor, and leaving the scene of the accident causing injury and death. the controversy between the judge and the defense stems from that manslaughter charge, count two, which encompasses three lesser charges on which the jury will determine guilt or not guilty, but the verdict sheet does not have a space to literally check not guilty. here's the exchange. >> they didn't have an option on

the verdict form to find her not guilty. it's almost like the court is directing a verdict of the subordinate charges. >> okay. i disagree with you. you've seen verdict slips exactly like this. okay? >> we've always had lesser included, but i've not seen a verdict slip where it's not an option. >> i disagree with you. >> i don't see the -- >> excuse me. this is funny, ms. read? all right. we're done. >> reporter: the judge tried to offer clarity about the verdict sheet later on in the morning. there's an updated verdict sheet we will see soon, but it still does not include the not guilty space that the defense hoped for. sandra? >> sandra: molly, thank you. bret? >> bret: heavy rain pushing a minnesota dam to its limits. we are on the ground near the site as officials brace for a possible collapse and the uconn tenders for the white house

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