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>> harris: all right, we are watching. the day is getting out. we are tilting at any moment, president biden will be departing m david. for the first time in 4 years for those 2. we don't even know if that 2 will shake hands or anything. they will be standing closer together this time. instead of the usual 12 feet, they will be 8 feet apart with their lecterns. the uncertainty and expected fireworks are why it is expected to be the most watched presidential debate in history. one of the key questions tonight is whether biden's weeklong debate prep at camp david will pay off, or will trump do better going out on the campaign trail and having more of a mixed wrap? this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner with my cohost kayleigh mcenany you're joining us today, and their martha maccallum, fox news contributor and president of american spirit enterprises tammy bruce and fox news

contributor senior fellow at the american enterprise institute and former speech writer to president bush. i know you and -- i can't wait to get into that. at the white house for us with details on how president biden has been preparing. i'm dying to know. what do you do for a week at camp david with 16 advisors? >> apparently come up with some one-liners. the biden campaign before a single where it has been said. sent out a list of important trump lies to look out for circulating a fact jack on issues like abortion, the economy, immigration and more. according to a new "politico" reports, one thing we can all watch out for tonight is for biden to make an early effort in the debate to get >> harris: didn't do it deny the results of the 2020 election. >> he is honestly not going to present on donald trump who has

been out at the rallies. the problem for trump is he's going to answer for all the things he has been saying. >> biden campaign staffers have reportedly been drafting jobs to get under trump's skin. in january 6th after reviewing trump's most fiery social media posts and appearances. biden is guarding himself or trump's accounts on his attacks on his son hunter. the strategy is to "lash a little anger they could resonate with americans whose own families who have struggled with addiction. biden will try to appear as the adult in the room and catch trump's dangerous and chaotic. trump has taken the operas that approach. holding no mock debates. opting instead for policy talks on the campaign trail. >> president trump has met with policy advisors to focus on issues that voters care about across this great country. other than that, he has been continuing with his very busy schedule. he doesn't need advisors to

drill talking points into his brain. he knows what he wants to say. >> the trump campaign is resetting expectations for biden. they expect's weeklong study at camp david believes biden well-prepared tonight. they are not entirely abandoning the age issue. >> do you think the guy who was defeated by the stairs makes it 4 more years in the white house? you know who is waiting behind him, right? vote joe biden today and vote kamala harris tomorrow. >> we will get our first glimpse of the president in a week when he heads to atlanta. >> great reporting today. after an entire week away from the white house, fox news d political analyst brit hume is warning president biden that he had better be ready for the debate when it finally kicks off. >> normally you do have to own up to some extent to remember details. but this president is going through is quite unusual. a president by the very nature

of his or her job, his job so far is -- the details of these major issues. you have to deal with them all the time. this level of preparation is unusual and probably -- biden is pretty old, and his memory is not so good. people have seen that. they see how awkwardly he walks in all the rest of it. they are obviously trying to gain profits and hoping he can get through this account with donald trump and look like a vibrant man. >> brit hume always knows how to put it. if they are trying to get biden to practice trigger words for trump, i would imagine a trigger word for biden would be, okay, it's beginning now. it's after 9:00. you have to stand for 90 minutes. we will see how he does. the liberal media and democrats have some advice for the president biden. >> joe biden has to go out there

with the cell phone on the age thing. i am so old i might not make it through the next 90 minutes without sitting down and taking a sip of water, but i will never disgraced the office of the presidency. >> when an age question comes, and it's one that president biden once, say it is true that i am 81. also, i would like to wish my opponent a belated 78th bir birthday. >> this isn't about my future or his future. we are both at the ends of our careers. this is about your future and the question you have to ask is, is this person going to fight for me or for themselves? that is very clear. >> that started off with an acknowledgment that the president might not be able to stand for 90 minutes. i was joking. i would not expect democrats to be talking about that so baldly. >> strict orders that -- during a cabinet meeting if something happens, please wake me up.

>> the problem is, i'm like ronald reagan. joe biden can't address the age issue with a zinger. it's not -- in america. when ronald reagan -- the majority of americans not his presidency was great. joe biden is a disaster. no one would care about joe biden's age if the inflation or low and the border was secure and people's pocketbooks were better off and they weren't paying $125 for a hundred dollar basket of groceries. >> can you call k gp and let her know how that works? martha, it is interesting. they both have the job of president before. they would both be if biden can't hold onto it, two men who at one point didn't win back-to-back terms. we have seen that throughout most of history. usually an incumbent wins. what do you see has some of each man's weaknesses this evening? >> it is interesting that ronald reagan was younger than both of them when he left of

office. people think of reagan as this older president. he had some cognitive issues that we became more aware of later. he went 78 when he left office. these gentlemen are definitely into that next generation. also, i am reminded of reagan's sort of jab at -- i won't hold my opponent's youth and inexperience against him. so, it is when it is. we are dealing with 2 older people who have both been president of the united states. when you look at their strengths and weaknesses, earlier debates that biden has been participating in. about 30 plus of them. a long, long time. it is sort of go to has been this smile and kick back. big smile. while she was going on and on and on. yeah, whatever.

it kind of did. you have this very sort of jovial senatorial -- been around a long time value. i don't know if he has that anymore. that has been his strength in the past. trump is so uneven. we have seen him go, you know, whole hog each like we saw in early 2020. that didn't work. i think that town hall that brett and i did with him, he was very spot on. i think that is then trump -- he is going to try to beat tonight. >> because of that, martha, not to belabor the point too much. it probably helped trump to be out on the campaign trail. there won't be an audience tonight. voters. as we watched tonight, everybody is looking for a different thing. what do you think independents and suburban women who don't support former president trump -- why do you think they are watching for

tonight? >> a lot of what we have discussed is baked in. we have gone through the januar. we have seen him go through a trial and set there and talk about things after the trial. we know donald trump. we are not expecting to see anything different. his popularity remains, because he is always himself. sometimes part of that is erratic. that is donald. we know the circumstances. he's a regular person. you know he is -- suburban women's and others who are making this minds up regarding the economy are going to make sure -- they want to hear what his plans are regarding those issues. >> 73% of adults asked said they would be watching tonight. an interesting poll today. 16% which is relatively higher than what we thought will have their minds changed in nine potentially on who they plan to vote for.

>> all the more reason to be on offense tonight. i would say you are walking into a politically enemy territory. there will be a temptation to be on defense all night. go on offense. every moment you are talking about january 6. as a moment you are not talking about inflation. on january 6, i would say you guys are living in the past. you want to talk about one day for ten years ago. i want to talk about every day that you have driven this country into the ground. defend yourself briefly and say, i am on cnn. a cnn analyst said this was the frankenstein case. return on its creator. i believe that creator was you, joe biden. not my cases. the cases of illegal immigrants that have killed america's moms and daughters. one of the women who was killed in the last seven days because of border policies. >> this morning.

trump turns to him and says can you name one of these women barmaid. i think after 16 people -- >> he didn't say laken riley. he said lincoln riley. >> i think martha has been a good point. the reporting was that he did that on the fly. but you are pointing to -- go the same thing. well saying the same thing. he better be ready after a week. and so on and so forth. really quickly. how do you bring up the border tonight. but with the zinger be when it happens? >> you are putting me on the spot for the zinger. >> if you know by how often that network does not report the border crisis. >> building on what kayleigh about building quickly and pivoting. on january 6th, the order was secure. inflation was low. january 6th, the world was at peace.

that is what the american people care about. speak know that there is no way to do it. >> this is fun. more americans have tuned into fox news media's coverage of critical political events and any other source. tonight, we know will be no exception. you can join us and watch the presidential showdown live on fox news. our special coverage begins at 8:00 p.m. eastern. martha is here and will be there along with our chief political emperor foul anchor we expect him to not only inform us but make it memorable. dana perino, sean hannity, jesse watters part of our special coverage this evening. kayleigh will be on prime time with jesse watters along with a team a fox news political analyst and contributors. it doesn't stop there. we have live coverage of the debate and spin room live from the white house. watch the fox news coverage of

the presidential debate. it all starts at 8:00 p.m. eastern and goes into late tonight. trace gallagher is on at midnight. the whole gang, we are altogether. as we await biden's departure from camp david, are the unusual rules at tonight's debate in an effort to keep the blockbuster presidential debate on track or an effort to silence particularly trump? we will get into it. stay close.

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♪ ♪ >> nancy live look at the venue for tonight's first presidential debate. it will be the first time a former president faces off with the current president. the first time in united states history. bill melugin's live outside the debate studio with the latest. >> we are expecting some serious friction tonight. it is no secret. these 2 men do not like each other. their campaigns have been attacking each other so far this

morning. they are laying out expectations. take a listen. >> we haven't seen joe biden in an entire week. we would expect him to be prepared after a whole week hiding away with his advisors, you will be ready to go. >> he's going to be debating against donald trump who is running his campaign as a convicted felon fighting against himself. >> the trump team and zeroing in on biden's mental sharpness and reminding that a vote for biden is a vote for kamala harris. >> no matter what joe biden promised in the debate. ask yourself, are you financially better off since he became president? are you and your family safe. since became president? >> team biden firing back. they released a new ad today as well on the heels of a supreme court's ruling on an abortion case in idaho. they want to remind voters of this key issue. >> this election is the most important election of my

generation and my daughter's generation. joe biden and kamala harris will protect our fundamental rights. >> i talked to the trump campaign a short time ago. they tell me is ready and confident. he is at mar-a-lago. he will be flying to atlanta later this afternoon. president biden will also be on the road to hand out this way within the next hour or so. we are getting closer. just hours away now. >> cnn revealing me and will have former president trump and president biden's microphones will work tonight and tonight's audienceless debate. >> i'll ask bill to come in and take the next podium. i'd say i'm answering a question. my light is green and i'm speaking. phil's microphone is off in his green lights are not eliminated. he's going to interrupt me as i'm speaking. this is what it will sound like. my volume remains concept of phil's interruption can be

difficult to understand. >> my microphone is now off. victor's microphone is off. he is going to interrupt me. my volume remains constant while victor's interruption can be difficult to understand. >> that was a rote tsa videos that you won't hear the security line. beyond the awkwardness of that, there is a challenge there. in my mind, i think trump can put biden on defense by asking him a question. if they mute your microphone, you are losing time to get an answer. >> all the rest of that. it is very awkward. the reality is, it helps trump, because if you think back to the first debate last time around, what hurt him wasn't his substance. is that he kept interrupting. now, i don't think his mind-set is in the place that it was. i think he's going in with the mind-set of there are swing voters that are out there and i like my policies.

they think joe biden is a disaster. i've got to give them permission to vote for me and show them the kind of president, i could see him back in the oval office. this reinforces that. >> you've moderated successfully several debates. i'm curious as a moderator going into this, what is your chief goal to give the american pe people? >> i think you want to stay out of it and give them an opportunity. i honestly am not going to be surprised if after this debate tonight we are talking about what a fail this thing was. because the point is for them to debate. honestly, last time around, former president trump kept jumping in. it hurt him. okay, that's why people said we lost that debate. try again on the next month. i think this is going to be very weird. i think with no audience feel in the room. there is no bodies out there. they chose this enormous room to

do it in which i don't understand. when they did nixon kennedy, it was in the tv studio. there was no audience. it was a totally different feeling. we will see how it works. maybe not the way -- >> that was a biden asked. >> they agreed to everything. >> the ghost of politics past. one thing that trump could do. i thought it was fantastic. trump is very good at facial reaction. take a look at how he has reacted on the stage previously. >> don't worry about it. i learned, a company. i carried out u.s. policy. north korea and the chinese president and -------------------------------- -------------------------------- to solar and wind. we go he is a chaos candidate. he would be a chaos president.

this is troubling. we are at war. he gets his foreign policy experience probably shows. that is not a serious kind of candidate. >> climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the chinese. >> trickled down did not work. >> now they are all gifs that are on social media. then we think about it. i, that requires trump being on camera. oh the joys -- do they show him in his responses? those are going to be the choices that are going to be in control of that network. this is again the benefit of donald trump. he has been the same guy in primary seasons in major campaign seasons. this is very different than 2016. that was a free-for-all effectively. he really didn't know what he

was getting into. he knows now. i think some of that power away from the democrats and run the system itself. i think we are going to see a different approach. this is where technically this could be unfair when we talk about this being fair or not. and whether or not the other person is going to get the ability to respond in a sense. i think at this point, that is what we are going to miss. >> i am sure all of us have seen this and some of us have experienced it. you have someone on with you, and there is a moment where a tough word comes out. we saw this recently with jamaal bowman profanity laced stage performance road -- the -- couldn't quite keep up with the length of the syllables that he was pulling out. the point i'm trying to make is it will be a human decision to turn off my microphone and turn it back on. there will always be a pause. do you give them an advantage if

you cut them a little bit or allow them a little more airtime. we are going to be talking about this as an epic fail or an amazing not epic fail for years to come. is this going to be the new litmus blueprint, or will they never tried again this way? we want someone will be mad at the microphone man. brand-new polls out ahead of tonight's debate that you can watch right here on fox next. ♪ ♪

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>> what you are saying to the extent that the democracy issue is important to voters which is not number 1, number two transport number 3. it's around 4 or 5. to the extent that it is important, these court cases have swayed some voters saying that they don't like what they saw. they think that there are times when the system is unjust to people. they don't understand why for example in the documents case, one candidate, joe biden, the current president had a long deposition and was judged to be an elderly man with a memory issue. and someone that you couldn't prosecute based on those rea reasons. on the other side of the camera is the raid at mar-a-lago and the ongoing case. the legal issues are different in them. you would know better than any. they see all this and they go, something doesn't sit right and a lot of this.

that is why you are seeing that is you shaking out differently now. >> you have seen a hard lien in. biden himself has not uttered those words. have not uttered the words they did not town with their fund-raising. they had their biggest fund-raising day ever. they didn't broadcast it. >> we saw it early on with how that tank. when the polls didn't move all that much right after the connection. you did see team biden lean into that. you did see that sort of -- then the conviction of hunter biden his son, a convicted felon. things start to get a little money. trump raised so much money after the convention then maybe you don't help them out. i wouldn't lean too hard if i were joe biden on the idea of democracy. you need to be a sovereign nation. the border crisis tells us that anybody can get in at any time. our border agents are working

their hearts and minds out to keep us safe. 400 illegal immigrants -- how many of them are really terrorist brought in by an isa smuggling group? how many people does isis recruit that are not terrorist? you are asking the question backwards. it might backfire on him. bring up democracy all you want. it starts with being a sovereign nation with a strong border. >> ignore jake tapper. biden may look into the camera and direct to camera often. trump needs to do that. forget they exist. speak to the american people. that is who you are speaking to. >> joe biden can't debate on the issues, because he is underwater by double digits on every single issue. his only play is democracy to say that donald trump is a threat to democracy. the poll of the swing state voters said that most of them think trump will protect democracy more than biden will. that's not even a winning issue.

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>> ahead of the 2020 presidential election they were 51 intelligence officers that signed a letter claiming hunter biden's laptop was just russian this information. convenient timing. it also turned out to be wrong. very wrong. just ahead of the 2024 presidential race, 16 economists came together citing a letter warning about "economic dangers" if trump elected. "each of us have different -- we all agree that joe biden's economic agenda is vastly superior to donald trump." convenient timing. the biden-harris campaign have yused of. we are learning crucial details about the economist who wrote the letter. first there were 51.

now there are 16. >> why couldn't they get 52? animals may have been involved in the drafting of some of that. for the average person who experiences this on their own, they don't need someone to tell them. we are at a loss sometimes. we have to rely on experts. when there are things not directly in our spirit. the economy every single day when you wake up and you look at your bank account and you wonder what's going to go in the kids lunch box. can you skip dinner? what is it going to cost when you go to the supermarket this time? it is a remarkable difference. the cost of eggs, everything is still in norman's. they are going to hear things like that, and it's insulting. it's insulting that they have a framework where these experts who really probably don't know what the price of eggs are are telling you this when it is your future on the line and not theirs. >> fox news did some digging. that's grounded.

11 of them. 90,000 -- 90,000. claudia goldman, 8,000. there's a number one in there. robert shiller. 11 of them. >> it's remarkable. on that 51 intelligence people, i hope donald trump turns to joe biden and says, will you apologize to the american people were saying that hunter biden laptop was russian this information? second of all, putting aside the conflict of interest of these economist, i can't think of a less persuasive argument to make in a debate and experts say trump will destroy the economy. after covid, the trust of experts in this country is in the tubes. 7 in 10 americans think -- they approve of it. 6 of 10. americans aren't stupid. they know they are paying 20% more now than when biden came into office of everything. i don't think this is effective.

>> i would love to know about the origins of the letter. we learned a lot about the 51 intelligence officers. "biden campaign blink into discredit hunter biden laptop." >> i'm a little concerned about when you get 51 experts and they have anything to do with our economy, our national security, how often are they this wrong? we happen to know about this time. if these are the people they are consulting on a regular basis, it might explain a lot of the failure that we may see. should we bump some of these people out of the circle? on day 1 come about thousand person zoom. he was saying that i'm going to get rid of whoever does not do their job or who is not kind. he hasn't really applied that promise. this would be a place where these are the people you should be listening to. tell us where else they haven't been right so we can prepare for that. >> we do have a 4-year

experimental donald trump's economy that people remember. >> most people say 51 intelligence experts are 16 nobel prize -- i don't think people really care. i don't think that they set up and go, i should think that despite i know how much my groceries cost. there are a lot of -- i would wish that people learned a lesson from the 51 intel experts who looked very sheepish, many of them when asked directly why they signed it. they fell into the at any cost of drought. we are going to sign this, because it might hold and feed donald trump. that makes it worth it to put our own reputation on the line. i would be very careful about sending these kind of letters. >> why michelle obama reportedly refuses to campaign for president biden. that is next.

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we have expert analysis with charles payne, richard fowler, bret baier, katie pavlich and more and then chairman of the rnc will be joining us live from atlanta. join our good friend larry kudlow and me as "america reports" at the top of the hour. ♪ ♪ >> this must be the playlist. >> all right, michelle obama is arguably one of the most powerful and influential people in the democratic party. her name has been floated to replace president biden. she reportedly will not be campaigning for joe biden. even though he could use all the help he can get. michelle obama is declining to campaign for biden, "over how the biden family largely exiled her close friend after the messy divorce from hunter biden."

she testified in the trial and talked about how hunter got her hooked on crack and so on and so forth. apparently michelle obama and kathleen are good friends. >> barack obama reportedly said that the biden dynamic was weird as you know what. hunter biden left his wife and slept with his sister in law who happen to be the widow of his dead brother. that is is weird as you know what. that might happen to be a friend of michelle obama's. i think she will probably speak at the dnc. for democrats, they need to get over michelle obama. they use her as an avatar for him. biden is a disaster. he is constitutionally barred from being president. she becomes the way to get the obama magic bag. she doesn't like politics. i don't think she's ever going to do that. >> i think this dynamic, who needs a soap opera when you have

this story? it is so crazy as you point out. it is really interesting. this is the is the behind-the-scenes stuff that you don't hear about. she is offended that the family embraced hunter after all of this. she has had enough. i agree with you. there is nothing in her that displays that she wants back in. there really isn't. i think she loves doing her podcasts and her books. i don't see a hunger to be president of the united states. >> she backed biden's reelection campaign, and she is also friends with kathleen. both are true. the one i don't like the obamas. this makes me appreciate michelle obama more. it was a day whatever i need to do for the cause. this is a friend, a loyalty, a discussed with what happens. that is what matters right now. i like that. that is the kind of thing where

you don't throw people away in those values don't matter. you're not going to go to town in this regard. it could be easier, because they see their problems with him. i don't want to be there. barack obama bragged when he was first elected when biden was elected, that there was 90% of the staff, of his staff was still going to be with biden. and we think about another obama term, i think we have had it. it has not worked. i like her stand on this. >> we have a running joke. we always mention taylor smith. outside of having taylor swift as my surrogate if i am a democratic name of the second person i would want out there is michelle obama. michelle obama has not done one post about biden's reelection say reposting his announcement. talk about ways she can be engaged. i would want her engaged. when asked if she could speak at the dnc, they did not comment.

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which everyone said was the last time anyone would come back but i wouldn't be surprised if these gentlemen were at the next one and one had his hundredth birthday yesterday he fought deeper into france later in the war and was a decorated hero for holding off a whole area during the battle of the bulge. they were about to lose that so is extraordinary i met him when we did the iwo jima book. he fought in iwo jima and faked his birth certificate to say he was 16 years old we could get in so he is only 97. is one of the younger guys there but these men are so extraordinary and they have such lessons and what pains me is to a man they all say they are concerned about where the country is today and they want people to understand why they are so dedicated. >> absolutely we need to hear those voices as the military branches start because who could better sell it for recruitment? we are hours away from the first presidential debate in the 2024

race for the white house. you can watch that show don't live right here on fox news channel fnc for the cool kids our coverage at 8:00 p.m. eastern with an all-star team and it does not stop. we will have live coverage after the debate as well from the spin room and live from the white house press the coverage of the debate 8:00 p.m. eastern don't miss a beat. >> the presidential race with 2.70% washington watching this could reshape everything. tonight could be the start of the general election. >> polling 70% of adults. >> we were talking at the break polling shows six in ten americans say donald trump hasn't said anything to offend them recently. >> i mean he has been under a gag order. >> i want to hear him talk. "america reports" now. ♪ ♪ >> joe biden i hear is practicing a lot of one-liners