>> sorry, jack smith, you don't get to just impede and intrude on the executive branch. >> i'm not going anywhere. arab. >> aishah: some of those are funny but it has been unprecedented week and more news to come next week. monday on "special report" as nato comes to washington so is president biden as commander-in-chief up to the task? also, please join shannon bream for "fox news sunday." her guests are former ohio congressman tim ryan and florida congressman byron donalds. and, remember, if you can't catch us live set your dvr, 6:0 p.m. eastern 3:00 on the west coast. thank you for watching "special report." i'm aishah hasnie in washington. have great holiday weekend. "the ingraham angle" is next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> jason: i'm jason chaffetz and this is a special edition of "the ingraham angle."

>> there's been a lot of speculation what's joe going to do? is he going to stay in the race? >> cheers] >> is he going to drop out? what's he going to do? well, here's my answer i am running and going to win again. >> jason: sorry, kamala and gavin, seems like old joe staying in at least for now. we will see how he does with that george stephanopoulos tonight in his taped interview. abc news just releasing a clip. have a look. >> let's start with the debate. you and your team have said you had a bad night. >> we did. >> but your friend, nancy pelosi, actually framed the question i think is on the minds of millions of americans was this a bad episode or more serious kind of condition? >> a bad episode. no indication of any serious condition. i was exhausted. i did less will he my instincts in terms of preparation and a bad night. >> you say you were exhausted

and i know you have said that before as well. you came and did have a tough month. you came home from europe about is 1 or 12 days. spent six days in camp david. why wasn't that enough time and recovery time. >> i was feeling sick. as a matter of fact the doc was with me try to do a covid test. they did a test to see if he had infect, my virus. >> i didn't. i just had a really bad cold. >> >> did you ever watch the debate afterwards? >> i don't think i did, no. >> what i want to get at is what were you experiencing as you were going through the debate? did you know how badly it was going? >> yeah, look -- the whole way i prepared. nobody's fault but mine. nobody's fault but mine. i -- i prepared but i usually would do, sitting down as i did come back foreign leaders or

national security council for explicit detail. and i realized about partway through that you know, quoted the "new york times" had me down at 10 points before the debate. 9 now or whatever the hell it is. the fact of the matter is when i looked at is that he also lied 28 times. i couldn't -- i mean, the way the debate ran not my fault. no one else's fault. no one else's fault. >> it seemed like you were having trouble from the first question in. even before he spoke? >> well, i just had a bad night. >> jason: whoa. i'm delegate you. if the president thinks that's going to sketch the concerns about his mental and physical prowess, that isn't going to do it. he can't even remember if he watched a tape of his own debate he? wasn't quite sure? and after six-plus days is he there at camp david taking all this rest and said oh he has a

cold? and why did you go to the waffle house afterwards and starts spreading the everybody. this is not going to do a single thing to help assuage concerns. more airing tonight. that's just a snippet. biden read from a prompter about 17 minutes today. noticeably, wisconsin democratic senator tammy baldwin, she was nowhere to be seen at in event. this as news that the dem dam is cracking. house minority leader jeffries is convenes a virtual meeting sunday afternoon with top committee democrats. democrat senator mark warner fairly powerful there in the united states senate, is now working to gather other senate democrats to potentially ask biden to bow out. and democrat massachusetts governor maura healey released a statement imploring biden to rethink whether he remains the best hope for democrats.

biden did cram more in before his 4:00 p.m. curfew. have a look at. this i'll beat donald trump. i will beat him again in 2020. i have led nation depths of the pandemic, lowered the cost $35. [cheers] >> i couldn't ponder -- i guess i shouldn't say it. by the way, i couldn't be prouder to have your support. >> jason: he also tested a few new strategies to attack trump, fear-mongering along with light profanity. >> trump can take out his opponents, i mean physically take them out, take bribes, lead a coup, and be immune to ever being held accountable for it? i mean where the hell are we? america is a democratic nation i will be damned 2024 just 2 years before our 250th anniversary as

a nation i will let donald trump take this away. >> wow, the 250th anniversary attack devastating. by the way, mr. president, that is not what the supreme court decision says. but the exceptions for this rally weren't exactly high. it has just been less -- had to be less humiliating than his fourth of july appearances. >> i have been all over the world. i have been in and out of battle -- anyway. i used to think when i was a senator th theres with were alws congestion on the highways. there was no congestion anymore. >> we give thanks to our commander-in-chief, the vice -- the president of the united states, the extraordinary president of the united states, joe biden! [cheers] >> ho ho ho. happy independence day. >> jason: ho ho ho merry independence day, joe. yeah, i got all that traffic

solved. no more traffic conditions on the freeways according to our president. even came out on the white house balcony with a stain on his shirt until his family rescued him from further embarrassment. maybe his much behind radio interview kdrd yesterday maybe that went better. >> the first president elected statewide in the state of delaware when i was a kid. by the way, i'm proud to be as i said, the first vice president, first black woman. >> um-huh. >> to serve as a black president. jason jason yeah. you saw that right. you heard it right. joe biden just said in his first interview since the debate that he was proud to be the first black woman. the first black woman to serve with a black president. the quote is by the way, i'm proud to be, as i said, the first vice president, first black woman to serve with a

black president. he thinks he is a black woman. that's what he said. he is the president of the united states in quotes. be go listen to it fnel all you want. stunning. testifies his first interview after the debate joining uses have you elizabeth kidnap co. elizabeth, there is so much these are just the scripted events. that's are the ones that he has practiced for. these are the ones that he has prepared for i don't know how the trump administration, the trump camp on or about the rnc how do you respond to somebody who claims to be the first black woman to swerve a black president? >> look, nothing really prepares you for that, right? i was listening to your intro here trying not to laugh. honestly my heart goes out not just to joe biden who is clearly not fit for this job or running

for president. my heart goes out in the american people. they are watching this and knowing they have been lied to by thisst joe biden and e. they are actually not the priority for the next four ponitz. only priority is deeght donald trump. not serving the american people. it's time that we have used this as it a also a and deserve so much better than this. obviously voting for president trump in the first way to reverse this. realizing the power belongs to the people and not those no power who have literally been lying to the american people for four years now about who headache in charge of this white house and have so many things to answer for why saw a short clip to the abc interview. he wasn't sure if he watched a replay of the debate or not. hard-hitting question. >> i don't know what's worse not being sure if you watched

yourself in the replay on having to sit in front of the american public and it you say you performed the way that you did because you had a cold and tired. i would like to imagine him sitting face to face with the americans held hostage in gaza. it is absolutely disgraceful we deserve as a country. the democrats have backed themselves up in quite a corner. i don't think they have anywhere to go from here. >> jason: elizabeth, thank you for joining us tonight on "the ingraham angle." i do appreciate it? >> has the president had any medical exams since his last annual physical in february? >> and we were able to talk to his doctor about that and that is a no. >he hasn't had any kind of medical exam? >> no. >> todd: k.j.b. caught in another lie. >> i was sick and feeling daryl. as a matter of fact the doctor

was with me. he did a thessalonians to figure out whether i had some innext, a virus. i just had a really bad cold. >> juan: i don't know if we can believe anything that karine jean-pierre has too say. remember, and what gang in 2022, when biden thanked congress bomb thanked a woman who recently passed away. kjp refused to be transparent about it? >> i want to thank all of you here represent at this jackie, are you here? where is jackie. i don't think -- she wasn't going to be here. >> can you explain where the mistake was made? was the president confused -- was something written in the teleprompter that he didn't recognize? >> if that had been the case i would stated that. >> do you remember 00 remarks the president had so we can understand. >> i'm not tgand why that would be necessary.

>> jason: good question from that reporter. now we know the rest of the story. according to reporting from axios quotes biden's notes included a note that wolarski recently passed away and thanked her for her contributions. two people familiar with the speech told axios he either ignored or failed to read it. new york magazine. long time friends of the biden family, who spoke to the author on the condition of anonymity was shocked to find that the president did not remember their names. and one guest at a white house event last year, queets quote: recalled with horror that the president would notten able to stay for the reception because it was clear he would not be able to make it through the reception. end quote. isn't it amazing how sawed whereinly all these sources coming up and suddenry available

to the recommend. ''to be reporting them now instead of when it was hang. joining me now is doug schoen democratic strategist and former adviser to president clinton. you are a straight shooter. i love interviewing you and talking to you. i know you are a accurate, rich heritage working with president clinton. but, the line lying that have been told and time and time again, i mean how are we to believe what the democrats are telling the american people? >> well, i don't think we can take joe biden at face value. i believe, jason, at the very minimum, he has to do a cognitive test right away. independent doctors and release it. i also think he should take donald trump and his campaign up on to his invitation too debates any time. if joe biden wants to prove he is up for the job.

he should debate trump next woke or so as trump as offered though do. i think barring that. movement i hear and your reporting going on on capitol hill and with democratic voters will inexstribbably lead to his withdrawal. >> i think it's a question of how and when they do this. joe biden and hunter biden, they seem to be at his side at every event hunter biden joining him on telephone calls that doesn't give me confidence in the way the white house is actually being run at the moment. >> gives me less confidence. i don't believe someone with hunter biden's ongoing legal problems and conviction should be anywhere near the president of the united states. i also believe that the kind of gaffes biden is making and his indecision on uncertainty makes it very clear he should get out

quickly. we democrats need an open, transparent mini primary, so that the best man or woman wins, it will -- it create excitement in the electorate it will galvanize a convention into a real process. and really the only way my party can have a new candidate with a new message. >> jason: doug schoen, thank you so much for joining us tonight. i do appreciate it. speaking of cognitive tests. even cnn's top doctor thinks joe biden needs one. that's coming up next. ♪ hi, i'm sally. i'm from phoenix, arizona. i'm a flight nurse on a helicopter that specializes in trauma. i've been doing flight nursing for 24 years. i had a fear that i wouldn't be able to keep up. i wanted all the boost i could get! i heard about prevagen from a friend. i read the clinical study on it and it had good reviews. i've been taking prevagen now for five years and it's really helped me stay sharp and present.

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♪ >> donald trump very proud of his ability to pass that cognitive test, saying that no one else could have possibly done it at that time. >> he said his doctors were amazed that he could recall words and recite them back proof he said that he was quote, cognitively there. trump remains obsessed proving he is more mentally fit than biden. >> not algebra test but screen for cognitive decline. again, this is only an issue because trump is making it an issue in the campaign. >> jason: the liberal media mocking trump but look at what they want now for biden. >> the question really being raised is have we been looking

at episodes intermittent episodes or is this reflective of some sort of deeper under lying condition? if he were my patient, if he were my dad, frankly, i would want to get more testing done cognitive testing and more detailed movement disorder testing. have you heard about these cog cognitive test. basically a blunt screening tool to try to figure out is there something to be more concerned about. we are told president trump has had that done twice. bs interview offers some evidence joe might not pass this test? did you ever watch the debate afterwards? >> i don't think i did, no. >> joining us now is dr. ben carson possible trump vice presidential pick. former hud secretary and retired neurosurgeon. all right, dr. carson, you are pretty darn smart on this stuff. you got the credentials. you see what's going on with joe

biden what's your take on what is happening? >> it's almost funny because the mainstream media actually great revelation after the debate. myself and many others have been talking about this condition that he has had for years now. and there has been plenty of evidence that he has it. and we're in a situation now where you think about this. what if you have built this great company. you have worked so hard, your family had worked hard. would you turn it over to him to be the ceo? i don't think most people. we yet we are asking him to be the ceo of our country. presidents are chosen because of their cognitive skills. not in spite of them. >> jason: good point. >> it's very, very simple to do a cognitive test and part of a complete physical examination. so, they say that they have released his medical records but they didn't release that.

>> jason: today on cnn brian stelter made this argument about the biden interview. have a look. >> astoundingly, jim, the white house is almost portraying this interview as a cognitive test. like it's some sort of televised doctor's appointment. it is both the most viewer's career stephanopoulos but biden. as you said the presidency is on the line here. yet, at the same time it's only one interview. it's not nearly enough compared to what biden has to do more broadly. >> jason: doctor, trump just yesterday said that he was the first black woman to serve with a black president. and certainly a television -- with biden, yeah. it certainly could not have been -- certainly doesn't replace a true cognitive test administered by a doctor. >> no. clearly it doesn't.

but, isn't it interesting that the debate was supposed to be the big thing. and if he did well in that, great, and if he did poorly on it, that was the end of him. now, it's this interview with stephanopoulos. and then after he filibusters that, it will be something else. the goal line just keep moving. but it's very clear to anybody who has any observation skills that the man is not completely with it. and it's not his fault. it happens to people. it is the fault of people who try cover it up. recognizing that they are endangering the lives of the entire nation. >> jason: yeah, i remember when they decided to put the staff all around the president when he walks up the short stairs or out to marine one so they couldn't see the way he was shuffling. dr. carson, thank you so much for joining us on "the ingraham angle." >> i believe the president is dangerous. and should not hold office one day longer. the quickest and most effective way to remove this president

from office would be for the vice president to immediately invoke the 25th amendment. >> i join the senate democrats leader in calling on the vice president to remove this president by immediately invoking the 25th amendment. >> jason: where are those democrats gone? even if biden drops out, he still has five more months, plus where is he in the driver's seat. joining us now is mike davis, article iii project president and former gorsuch clerk. mike, what's your latest perspective on what in the world is going on right now? >> i think the democrats have a big legal, political, and financial problem on their hands. they can't get rid of joe biden even though he is not capable of doing the job. they are out there saying that he shouldn't be the nominee because he is not mentally fit. but he is going to be the president for the next, what, five or six months? politically they can't get rid of him because the next in line

is kamala harris. are they going to skip over the first black and first female vice presidents because they know that kamala harris will get destroyed by president trump on november 5th, 2024? they can't just take the $200 million that president biden has in his campaign and give it to -- kamala harris and past the filing deadlines in many states. >> jason: mike, i wish i had more time. always appreciate your perspective. i really do appreciate it. all right. stay with us. because, coming up, donald trump is going on the offense. and issues a new challenge to joe biden. after the president's debate debacle. coming up next. ♪

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staying quiet about the debate. now calling for a no holds barred rematch on truth social. trump also caught on camera calling biden out. >> how did do at the debate the other night. all broken down pile of crap. he is a good guy. you know is he quitting the race. >> is that right? >> i got him out of the race. that means we have kamala. i think she's going to be better. she is so bad. she is so pathetic. >> she is so [bleep] bad. >> i can't imagine. >> can you imagine that guy dealing with putin and the president of china? >> jason: joining me now outkick host tomi lahren. tomi, is trump making the right moves going on offense or sit back and watch biden's implosion? >> he actually took the words right out of my mouth, jason. so, one of the most wonderful parts about donald trump's

debate performance a week ago is he showed incredible restraint. he sat there and answered his own questions and he let joe implode on his own and it was quite evident to the american people. we needs to continue with that. i know he wants to throw punches and take advantage of the opportunity to kick his opponent while his opponent is down. but the american people are looking at donald trump right now and they are looking at joe biden and they are looking at donald trump's policies and they like what they saw. they want that back. but a lot of people are still nervous about his character and his personality so the best thing that he can do is show incredible restraint, act incredibly presidential, wish joe well, and let the democrat party go through the chaos that it's going through. the best thing for donald trump is to sit back and to watch and to resist and fight every urge in his body to go on attack mode. he needs to sit back and relax and sit this one out. >> jason: well, we're just seeing this, tomi. i want you to react to it. after seeing biden's abc news interview clip, pollster nate silver just tweeted out, quote:

i whimped out in today's column and deleted auto line saying he should formulate a plan to transition the presidency to harris within 30 to 60 days but i'm there now. something is clearly wrong here, end quote. tomi, what's your reaction? with nate silver. is he a die died in the wool democratic superstar. is he saying this after a two minute clip. we haven't even watched the rest of the clip. >> you can't put the betweeny back in the bottle. you hut so many democrats hit the panic button. i don't know how they recover. joe biden hold on kicking and screaming even more jill biden hold on kicking and screaming. i don't know how you undo this. i don't know how you put this all back together. i think that it's gone so far. there is are so many notable democrats that are in panic mode. i don't think you can ease

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>> don't care about joe biden's age, infirmity that he shoveled when he walked. i don't care. he could be seated for the rest from now to election day and never get up off a chair. he could sit down and roll around in a wheelchair. he could be on a skateboard, seated. i don't care. donald john trump cannot be allowed back into the white house. >> jason: the liberal media is in a meltdown over biden. if you thought joy reid's last

tiktok was wild, she is now pushing it even further. >> just let me know when you guys are finished figuring it out, democrats. because i know you are the freak out people. go ahead and freak out. have your conversation and then let me know ohio got to vote for to keep hitler out of the white house. if it's biden in a comb marks i'm going to vote for biden in a coma. i don't even really particularly like the guy. a lot of his policies, i don't like them. is he not donald trump, right? yeah. hitler, white house. we keeping him out. keeping project 2025 out. that's all i care about from the rooter to the tooter. school board all the way up to white house and everything in between. >> jason: nothing says protecting democracy like pushing people to vote for a comatose president. while some in the liberal media are doubling down on wildly inappropriate rhetoric. more reasonable members are having a hard time keeping up the facade. the latest cover up the economists going for the jugular showing the presidential seal

with a walker. >> i watched a debate like millions of americans. and was shocked, shocked to see a bee fuddled old man struggling to recall words and facts. unfortunately, and this is brutally true. the passage of time goes one way. and the impact on mental acuity really only goes one way. and i think that's the reason that we were -- we wrote what we did, which was pretty tough. i admit. and that's because this is the toughest job in the world. and you can't run a presidency on auto cue. >> jason: "the washington post" editorial board fan as it te'o sizing how biden could drop out, offering a mock resignation speech. the associated press sharp and focused sometimes confused and

forgetful. joining me now is sean duffy, co-host of fox business' the bottom line aural around good guy and fox news contributor. we have been at these rodeos. i have seen how biden has protected biden and the democrats in general. now, suddenly, they have got sources. suddenly, they are curious. what's your take of what's going on? >> i think that's interesting that you have these liberals come out on tv and say we are shocked. we saw this debate and we had no idea. well, i will tell you they haven't watched fox news we have been airing the clips of joe biden faltering and failing for the last two or three years. it has been progressively worse. i look at joy reid. i thought she was great. she said what all liberals in the media actually believe. she put it into words. that's about 30% of america. you can't win with a corpse and 30% of the vote. you got to win 50-plus one. they can't do that with joe biden. so i think the question jason is, who actually has set the

dogs loose? and i have to believe barack obama said okay. listen, he can't do it. you guys have your way with them. let's -- we got three weeks to take him out and let's find another candidate. >> jason: yeah. at some point we will figure out why did they actually agree to a debate in june? that's the big mystery out there. let's go to this. i want to show you this clip and i got such a short amount of time. so joe scarborough, tried sell viewers on biden staying in the race this morning. watch this clip and then react to it after. >> please, please, republicans, please right wing media outlets, spare us your moral indignation over a man who had a really, really terrible debate but a man who has been the most effective president over the past three and a half years, the most effective president in passing bipartisan legislation this century. the most effective president in

strengthening the dollar over the past 50 years. >> jason: sean, you got to answer this because i'm just still laughing at that? >> sean: so joe biden has an approval rating of 35%. 75% of americans think the country is going in the wrong direction. i think joe biden can pull it off if the policies were good, inflation wasn't sky high. the border was secure. foreign policy was working. but when all this policies have failed and he can't do the job. cognitively, that's when americans go huh? by the way, jason, we want to keep joe biden in the race. we don't want joe biden to go anywhere. we want to now play the democrat role, you know what? this guy is great. you don't want a new candidate. keep joe right where he is at because, listen, he is -- he is a shell of a man he used to be, and he can't make the argument. and, listen, i think it's going to usher in a new set of policies with donald trump. >> jason: yeah, it's just scary another seven months let alone four more years if we don't get this right. thanks for joining us tonight.

i do appreciate it? >> then, when you tell people that joe biden is not going to win, that joe biden is infirmed in some way. that joe biden has dementia, and it turns out none of that is true, and you have been exposed, then what do you have? if you're gonna attack him as being mentally unfit, you got to do it with a scafl, a scalpel. you can't do with hammer and tongs. that's how people know how to beat in the head. >> he and his campaign put out videos deceptively cut and on twitter to say that biden is senile. and voters aren't buying it. >> jason: yeah, those are cheap fakes, right? remember when the liberal media tried to shame us for daring to question biden's mental fitness? they also blatantly ignored the signs when he skipped the traditional super bowl interview. or even worse, their extensive role in dismissing the hur report. >> robert hur has gone to the hill with this highly

controversial report that the white house said -- i think at love folks, not even just democrats say was filled with just, you know, out-of-school men tear about president biden's mental aacuity. you think robert hur went too far. >> it felt to me like he took some swings that he really didn't need to take. >> special counsel robert hur, the self-declared republican prosecutor who threw in gratuitous critiques of president biden's memory and age like a amateur neurologist. >> jason: charles c.w. cook future best saying goat if you are looking for a broader take away from all of this, take how the press covered up biden's infirmity because it wanted to protect the democrats. and apply it to literally every single thing that did does on any topic any year any circumstance or ever. joining me now is julian

epstein. former democratic counsel for the democratic economy. thanks for joining us toted there are some of us who believe you have to release that hur tape. it's one thing to have a transcript particularly to hear the audio. what's your take on everything that's going on and particularly the release of the hur audiotapes? >> thanks for having me. if the justice department want to stop the hur tape they have to make an assertion what the legitimate interest is and i don't think they have done that to your earlier point about the news media here, democrats are making the argument that they're the protectors of democracy. they have been engaged, in my opinion, in a massive cover-up joe biden's mental capacity. they have been ablegd by a news media become very liberal activists and have decided to

put their thumbs on the scale of the candidate they like. and what that translates to at the end of the day, jason, is a gross, a gross disservice to their readers and news media and democrats to gross disservice to their voters. now the democrats are in this completely horrible position of having to defend the indefensible. this candidacy is on life support in my opinion. but this is a -- this is a disaster of the democrats' making that have been enabled by a partisan media that has forgotten its role as the independent check on power. >> jason: julian, this is what i appreciate about what you are doing the principle. it's wrong they have a role to play and they don't equally apply it. watch this quick clip here on how hard they have been pressing biden with their questions. >> mr. president, what did you

order? >> chocolate alcoholic loot chip. >> what is your message to republicans who are prepared to block the january 6th commission? >> eat some chocolate, chocolate chip. >> ice cream. >> jason: we heard a lot more questions about his flavor of ice cream than we did in any other serious thing. not like sam donaldsson or brit hume did back in the day pressing reagan on serious questions. >> think as i said the lies the party have made about the president, the democratic party has been a crime against its voters. the fact that the news media is not asked a tough question is incredible disservice to the people that view them and read their copy. easy way of updating this conversation as well. in the fuss media were doing its job right now. they would ask one question. and they would insist on this one question. and this question is this: will the president agree to go before the country in a "primetime" news conference. and if he can handle that, then maybe he gets through.

this but, if he can't handle that, then he is certainly cannot handle the role of the commander-in-chief. i mean, if you think about the white house putting out this information that he is only available from 10:00 p.m. -- 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m., i mean, i can't understand the stupidity of that. i mean that is an invitation to hamas, or any other adversary to attack after 4:00 p.m. in the afternoon, 11:00 p.m., i mean, the poor way in which this was handled. you sort of can't count the mistakes that has been made. again as i say i think this is all performative now. i think biden will opt out of this. i don't think there is any way he survives this. >> jason: last time joe biden did a solo press conference november of 2023. and there's a reason for that you bring up a very good point. julian, thanks so much for joining us. all right, coming up. kamala harris something floated as a biden replacement. but, is she part of the cover-up? that's coming up next. ♪ >> we did it. we did it, joe.

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some democrats are already looking ahead to a world where kamala harris is atop the ticket, more questions about her future future and also who could serve as her v.p. if there is in fact a change on the ticket. many top democratic circles talk has already moved to who kamala harris would choose as a running mate. >> the kamala push is in full swing. a new report says her donors are now privately strategizing in case biden does drop out. this as questions emerge about what she knew about biden's infirmity. >> if there ever is a problem, do you think you could go tell the american public? do you think in your role that you're in a position to do that? >> of course. if necessary, but there's no need for that.

>> the way that the president's demeanor in that report was characterized could not be more wrong on the facts, and clearly politically motivated. gratuitous. >> jason: wow. joining me now is horace cooper senior fellow with the national center for public policy and project 21 chairman. all right. is she in on it? is she in part of the cover-up? what's your take on it? >> if she's part of the cover-up and she knows the truth, she's been lying to the american people. if she's not in on the cover-up and she actually can claim to be vice president and work with this guy and never saw any of this, it moons she's completely out of the loop and certainly isn't ready to stand in for him. >> jason: yeah. i mean you make -- you make a very good point here is was she in the room? was she having the daily interactions or not? and that's the seminal question for her.

she can't have it both ways. >> absolutely. it's a shame that we have this declining mental capacity and the vice president comes out and makes statements that build a misimpression with the american people, while it's either obviously a lie that she knew, which makes her inappropriate to take the position, having lied to the american people, or if she's so out of the loop she's not involved, she's not engaged, how can she be ready to stand in on a moment's notice to make critical decisions? this, you can't have it both ways. >> jason: and this is the funny thing. democrats' policy is upside down. she had two major tasks, the border and a.i. and she did nothing with those. >> yeah. she's not willing to put the effort in. she's not willing to study. she's not willing to try to take a leadership role, and she thinks that things ought to be handed to her and you know why?

because she's a d.e.i. appointment. you don't take one of those senior positions in our government and give it to a d.e.i. person. >> jason: that's right. it's identity politics over competency. i think what america wants right now, they want competency, and that is not how she got into that position. she has not delivered that. she delivers word south -- yeah. horace, i wish i could keep chatting but that's all i can do tonight. i want to thank you again for joining us. i'm jason chavits who's been in for laura ingraham. i hope you have a chance to find out who's really running the country in the white house. i hope you have a chance to check out my book called "the puptears: the people who control the people who control america." it was evident a long time ago. the reason i wrote this book. thanks for watching. laura's back on monday. [ ♪♪ ]