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neil: president joe biden digging in despite calls from within his own party to drop out, forget the now five house democrats saying that. wait until you hear what senator mark warner says about a doubling down on that. and calls for joe to go are expected to explode. meet the democrat running for congress in colorado who is saying that. did that abc sit-down do anything to change his mind? and did robert f. kennedy just say stick a fork in him, the president's all but toast? hear for yourself from kennedy himself. and hear from marianne williamson herself. remember her? she's not only saying joe should go, but democrats should go to her. and does all of this sound eerily familiar? an embattled president facing revolts in his own party. lbj stepped aside for the good of the nation, but it didn't do

much good for him, why two historians say quitting doesn't necessarily mean winning. no wonder why donald trump's been smiling, largely quiet, very quiet, letting dem rah accurates self-destruct. why former attorney general bill barr says the former president has reasons to be smiling. a lot of those big cases against him could be disappearing. all that and the travel rush to return home from the holiday and a monster storm that could be returning to hurricane status all underway, all now. ♪ ♪ neil: welcome, everybody, i'm neil cavuto. man, oh, man, do we have a busy couple of hours. first to lucas tomlinson in wilmington, delaware, with the president who's resting today but back on the campaign trail i guess tomorrow, right, lucas? >> reporter: that's right, neil. and as you mentioned off the top, there are now five house democrats calling for the president to step aside and not run for re-election. two ores predict -- ohs predict -- others predict he will lose against donald trump.

last night if his interview with abc, a defiant president biden said there's only one thing that will get him to drop the out. >> if you can be convinced that you can cannot beat donald trump, will you stand down? >> well, it depends on if the lord almighty comes down and tells me that, i might do that. >> reporter: and now we have new reporting from the washington post, neil, saying that democratic senator, the first democratic senator, mark warner's, calling on president biden to not run for re-election. he's assembling a group of like-minded senators who think the same thing. here's that a question from george stephanopoulos last night with the president. >> mark is a good man. we've never had that -- he also tried to get the nomination too. mark's not, mark and i have a different perspective. i reason him. -- respect him. >> reporter: there was also this claim from president biden about russian president vladimir

putin. >> question on so many people's minds right now is, can you serve effectively for the next four years. >> george, i'm the guy that put nato together, the future. no one thought i could expand it. i'm the guy that shut putin down. no one thought could happen. if. >> reporter: and this morning we spoke to a ukrainian small business owner here in will ming ifton, new york -- neil. i asked him if that is true that biden shut pruitten down. he said he did not -- putin. neil: thank you very much, my if friend. let's go to madeleine rivera right now, and we tell you about congress returning on monday ask and there is a bit of a firestorm developing here. madeleine. >> reporter: there certainly is, that'll. president biden may seem confident about a his re-election prospects, but many democrats on capitol hill don't feel the same way. if anything, some of them are even more nest now. nervous now. >> joe biden is a good man, he's an american patriot. yet the these for him to step aside is more urgent tonight than when i first called for it

on tuesday. >> reporter: texas congressman lloyd doggett was the first sitting democrat to call for the president to drop out. last night another house democratic lawmaker called for the president to leave the race, afraid he could threaten democrats in down-ballot races. >> mr. president, your legacy is set. we owe you the greatest debt of gratitude. the only thing that you can do now to cement that for all time and prevent utter catastrophe is to step down and let someone else do this. >> reporter: today minnesota congresswoman angie craig is going public too saying in part, i believe he -- referring to president biden -- should step aside for the next generation of leadership. the stakes are too high. on the senate side per "the washington post," virginia senator mark warner is working to gather a group of democratic senators to urge the president to step aside. party members are taking aim at the president's denialism of the polls showing him trailing former president trump. >> i've never seen a president

with 36 approval get reelected. >> i don't believe that's my approval -- that's not what our polls show. >> and if you stay in and trump is elected and everything you're warning about comes to pass, how will you feel in january? >> i'll feel as long as i gave it my all and i did the good a job as i know i can do, that's what this is about. >> reporter: several democrats feel that response isn't good enough in an election where they say democracy is at stake, an argument the president himself has made. neil. neil all right. thank you very much for that. in the meantime, one of the things we're finding out from these candidates and those already in the house including those who want to get into the house themselves ors including my next guest not too keen on what the president is saying, that he'll stick in the race, colorado congressional district 3 candidate. you're not keen on the president sticking in this out. why not? >> neil, good morning.

happy fourth of american, proud to be american for all of us, neil. you know, listen, i don't spend a lot of time talking to people in d.c., but when i listen to steel workers and buffalo farmers and ranchers in the valley, energy producers on the western slope of our district here, they're frustrated. i think it made it worse last night with all due respect for the president. i'm not if jumping for joy having these conversations -- neil: i'm sorry, sir, what unnerved you about it that made you feel, you know, more confident in your conviction he should step down? >> listen, there's some denialism there, and i'm hearing this, again, from people on the ground, not from people in d.c. but, again, you know, my focus has always been not so much on the president, either president. i prefer that both parties find new leadership. i appreciate that's not going to happen in some places. but i think it's really, rah really important for the sake of the country, for the president to withdraw from the race with due respect to try to figure out how we get new generational leadership in both parties. and that's what i'm hearing,

again, from southern colorado and western colorado. and it's really frustrating to continue to hear what i'm hearing from the men and the women i've driven 57,000 miles around for the past couple years and what i'm hearing out of d.c. that seems to be pretty darn insular. neil: you know, i raised this issue with robert f. kennedy jr., mr. frisch, who says this is bigger than just how the president's behaving in a debate. i want you to respond to this. what do you make of all of this? >> i think, you know, i think what happened the other night at the debate was that a lot of americans finally understood what the media has been hiding, what people around in the white house has been hiding which is the executive of our country is probably not running our country. that a he, that his -- he has cognitive issues. jean-pierre said that he had a bad 90 minutes which is, you know, anybody can have a bad 90

minutes, but if that's true, then he needs to dispel that very aggressively not just with a single interview. neil: what do you make of that? what he's saying is, you know, what the president's been saying i had a bad 90 minutes, the bebait -- debate was a disaster but don't let it wipe out three and a half years of success. that's what the president said. you heard what robert f. kennedy said, that's not enough. what do you think? >> yeah, listen, what i'm hearing from democrats, republicans, independents over the past couple hundred miles i've driven that were preplanned since the debate was they're very, very frustrated. it was a horrible night, a bad nights, but it chemos to be an indicator of what -- seems to be an indicator of what's been going on. they want a new generation of leadership to make sure that our country can go forward, and i'm not really focused on who's going to to be on the ticket, i'm focused on the ranchers, farmers and small business owners in our district. and that's how we've been able to build what i call a

pro-normal party coalition. i'm a dad, a husband, small business owner, american, i don't have a lot of time or space left over for partisanship. neil: you know, there are many in your party, sir, thinking that they've been hiding a lot of this. that they were well aware, including those at the white house who were quite aware of the president's cognitive issues, that they came glaringly to light for virtually all americans, anyone watching that debate and the world. do you think there's any culpability on their part, that they are propping him up? >> i'm not a doctor, i'm not going to play one literally on television. but i can just say that there's a lot of frustration, that over the past many, many months there's been a lot of hiding. that's what i'm hearing, again, from the people on the ground i'm talking to. and these are not, again, these are not d.c. inside ifers, these are people that somewhat pay attention or prefer not to pay attention because i can guarantee, neil, so many people are just exhaust with the national political -- exhausted with the national political

conversation. and there's been this cynicism for a long time. a lot of republicans should be getting grief for saying one thing privately and another thing publicly, and now you see a lot of democrats doing the same thing. i'm all for bipartisanship, but this is certainly not the type i was hoping to see in d.c. where both parties are saying one thing privately and one thing publicly about their candidates for president. and that's why i believe we need a new generation of leaders on both sides, but this is the conversation we're having right now. neil: should the conversation include kamala harris as a backup? at least she could argue she's his running mate, she's his vice president, she's a lot younger and that if the party's going to turn to anybody, it should be her or? what do you think? >> i only have one comment to be said about what is next, and i believe what should have happened a year and a half ago a should happen now, and there should be some type of an open primary. i don't like monopolization. we need to figure out a way to have a robust-spirited and now much shorter than ideal, but it's still better to have an

open primary -- neil: you mean an open convention -- >> an open primary, open convention. there's still x amount of weeks before the convention. there's still a process that can happen in the type of primary where we can have debates and town halls. that's what i'm hearing people want, and the convention is another part of that. i have no idea how those rules are written, but all i can say is if the vice president would like to be part of that conversation, that's great. there's a bunch of other people, 5, 10, 15 other people that we've been talking about. i'm pro-democracy, pro-choice, pro-competition. including in politics. neil: if i understand. when the president comes back and says, you know, i won this thing, me and my vice president won this thing. we amazed the delegates -- amassedded the delegates, you can't just take that away and let a 990-minute if -- 900-minute debate take away three and a half years of success. how do you respond to that? >> it wasn't just a one-off. again, with all respect to the

president, he and his team keep on looking backwards, and everyone i'm talking to wants to go forward. they've trying to figure out how to make sure the cost of living comes under control, how to humanely secure the border, and here we're trying to figure out how to tackle the mental health if rye sis and how our -- crisis and how our water gets protected in western and southern colorado. and elections are about a going forward and setting a course that everyone can believe in, and that's not what i'm hearing from the president's campaign and that's why, again, we need a new generation of leadership. neil: all right, adam frisch, thank you for taking the time. we'll keep in touch. >> have a great saturday, neil. thank you so much. neil: all right. in the meantime here, remember they're -yard line williamson -- marianne williamson? she's the second best candidate for the democratic nomination. she tried to put up a good fight, said that the race was stacked against her. she has reentered that race and wants to go to this so-called open convention to state her case. if you're going to get rid of

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♪ neil: all right, after the big george steph. knop louse interview, most in the media have not been kind to the president saying this did very little to rescue him. the "wall street journal" saying it showed a president in denial, "the washington post" quoting extensively that only the lord almighty can drive this candidate from the race, quoting the president himself. and then there's axios saying, essentially, that sit-down shows that he is now toast. hans nichols, political reporter, kind enough to join us. hans, he didn't get, i think, the reaction he was hoping for. it's still early. we could see others maybe disagree, but what did you think? >> not in realtime, neil, and i think that's sort of the question for the biden campaign but also lawmakers who are going to be facing voters and be on

the ballot with joe biden. and the next iteration of this story is when lawmakers come back and they face reporters' questions, questions from reporters, excuse me, and they are asked should joe biden stay on the ticket. and your starting to see a trickle at least on the house side of lawmakers calling for joe biden not to be their party's nominee. so biden probably bought some time with this interview, but he by no means put the questions about his ability to campaign to rest. neil: you know, it's all about how you're perceived, and it's often times not fair, but i notice in his wisconsin speech yesterdayal a bewith it with a friendly -- albeit with a friendly, rowdy crowd, he brought his a-game. the energy level was there. it's obviously expected to be different when he sits down with a journalist and george stephanopoulos grills him, but much more low key. it just seems very erratic, and that sort of heightens this concern he's not consistent.

what do you make of that? >> well, we all have days where we're good and bad, right? and we -- neil: speak for yourself. i hear you, go ahead -- >> and this interview with you, i've transsupposed verbs, apologies to your viewers. the question for joe biden is can he not just convince the public, but he has some discerning viewers; namely, democratic donors who he needs to fund his campaign and democratic lawmakers who are going to be on the ballot. and so he could have a great showing, he can sort of really convince some people that he has the energy and the vigor to to be president of the united states and to run for re-election at the same time. but it's the off moments that are going to get more attention now. and we've seen this with previous presidents, that once they become sort of caricature is too strong, but once there's an image of you set in the public, it's really difficult to run from that. think of, like, dan quayle.

neil: right. >> was dan quayle the worst speller in the history of the vice presidency? probably not. but you and i both think he is because he misspelled potato. and it's really hard politically once you get wounded in a certain way to reclaim or to sort of cauterize that wound. and that's what biden is going through right now. now, he has opportunities, right? you know, internally inside the white house they thought he did a great job with george stephanopoulos. he's going to have the nato press conference which will be free wheeling, and he'll get a lot of questions. and that, again, will be after a pretty busy week for the president. 9 and the numbers here matter, neil. what members of congress are saying, look at those numbers but, two, so many americans saw that debate. 50 million but untold millions more saw it online or clips. and so the president has a great moment on, you know, an abc news interview -- neil: right. >> just stipulate that a fact, stipulate that's what voters are going to perceive.

that's a friday night interview. you and i watched it. i don't know if the rest of the country watched a friday night interview during a holiday weekend. so that's the challenge they have. they're aware of it, and they're going to put him out more. neil: very quickly on that point, hans, the president seemed to echo with stephanopoulos as he did with his speech in wisconsin is and he's positioned it this way, i won all these delegates, and you just can't take them away. i'm sort of paraphrasing to get to the point that he's going to put up a fight on this. do do. >> yeah, no, it's do finish. neil: what did you make of that? >> the rules are on his side. those delegates are pledged to joe biden, and joe biden intends to hold them to their pledges. if you do think of any sort of hypothetical floor vote or even, you know, what's going to the happen with this virtual roll call, joe biden says those delegatings are locked in -- delegates and anything else would be be not just a betrail, but almost illegal.

there's no actual mechanism to force a pledged delegate to vote the way today pledged. it's different than, say, the electoral college. that's a conversation that's taking place at a state party delegations between state party chairs and their delegates, and it's a conversation happening with donors. and, you know, if we could intercept text messages right now, we'd be -- we'd have a much better insight than just the hysteria in the democratic party. but joe joe biden, as we heard, thinks he can hold on, and that's why these next few days are critical. neil? neil: great stuff. and if the worst you do is misplace a couple of words, that's my goal, hans. [laughter] great job. hans nichols, axios political reporter. remember, we have marianne williamson coming up. she's back in the race right now, wants a shot at the convention looking to her as an alternative to joe. she is coming up. meanwhile, the latest on tropical storm beryl that could be on his -- can its way to returning as a hurricane when it hilts texas sometime monday, we're told. after this.

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neil: all right, beryl has become sort of like the guest who won't leave, barreling now for the yucatan peninsula, making its way up the gulf. possibly a threat to texas as soon as monday and reforming as a hurricane. rick reichmuth at the fox weather center. what's going if on, rick? if. rick: i tell you what, this storm has broken so many records and impacted so much land. the windward islands last sunday, monday, jamaica, yucatan and now texas in its sights. this is where the storm is right now, 60 mile-an-hour storm. it had moved over land, moved over a little bit of cooler water as well, and that doesn't allow it to get its structure back together. but notice this big flare-up of storms right here. we are going to see conditions get better eventually, i think,

for this storm to strengthen. in the short term, we do have quite a bit of wind sheer that's going to keep the storm lopsided, but we are moving into an environment where there's a lot more moisture, water temperatures plenty warm. notice this, the darker they get, those are warmer water temperatures, and that's what's going to happen around the last, next 48 hours. plenty of time over this water, and that's why we think the it's going to the strengthen a little bit. how strong? don't know just yet, we are saying at least a category 1. hurricane watch up along the texas coast up towards galveston. our models at least for the direction of this storm in pretty good alignment for some sort of a landfall here maybe sometime midday monday or so. along with that is going to come a lot of storm surge, so watch for maybe 44-5 feet of -- 4-5 feet of storm surge in addition to waves coming in and in addition to all the rain. we're going to see a lot of rain across a lot of land that's had a lot of rain this year. notice this monday really

significant threat for flooding. this right here is how much rain we've seen so far this year. you notice any of these areas across east texas we have some spots that are maybe 15-20 inches above what you would typically see for this time of year. we've seen that much rain. now we're going to get this rain coming on in, and that means we're going to see the flood threat be amplifieded. widespread 5-10 inches of rain, some isolated spots maybe up toward 15 inches. one other story we're watching, and it's the heat out across the west. yesterday palm springs broke an all-time record at 124 degrees, and look at vegas, highest you'd ever been is 117. three out of the next four days looking at a forecast of 118. that heat is going to be dangerous. neil: yeah. doesn't matter whether it's dry heat or not, that's ridiculous. rick, thank you very much. if you're making travel plans, a lot of americans will be heading back from the july 4th holiday, a former flight attendant, bobby, let me ask you, first

off, what we're looking at and travelers are looking at. obviously, when you have weather systems dominating much of the southeast, it's going to delay flights, right? at a minimum. >> yeah, absolutely. and so far today we are looking at a little bit of delays being posted over in dallas and in houston ahead of the storm. but you're also looking at delays all the a way up in new york and boston as well, and something to remember too is if you're not experiencing weather in the city you're in, where your plane is coming from might be experiencing weather. so you're going to see that domino effect across the country as the storm makes its way over toward texas. neil: what do you do when you get those infamous words, your flight's been canceled? [laughter] >> number one,s don't panic. and, number two, try not to get in that really long line at the airport. you can download the airline's app because the airline's app does let you rebook yourself right away when you experience a long delay or a cancellation. this way you don't have to wait in those lines or on the phone for an extended period of time. and also more airlines have a

really robust social media team, so you can go and chat with them on x or on facebook or even on whatsapp now, and they can communicate with you that way so that you can get rebooked as quickly as possible. neil: how are we looking this travel season? storms notwithstanding, but i hear some records, back to pre-covid levels. what is the real skinny? how are we doing? >> oh, neil, it's past pre-covid levels. june 23rd tsa screened 2.99 million passengers. and on an average daily basis, they're screening about 2.5 million passengers. and if what they're expecting for tomorrow on the 7th is3 million. and that's the highest the tsa has ever screened in a single day at any point in time since they've been tracking data. so we're looking at record numbers making their way through the airports tomorrow. and for that matter too, another app you should download is the my tsa app. a lot of people don't even realize that the tsa has an app, and you can see the screening times at the airports before you

make your way to the airport so you can judge just how long those lines might be and what time you should be aa arriving at the airport. -- arriving. neil: information is paramount. bobby, thank you very much. appreciate all the ad a vice. >> thanks, neil. neil in the meantime, we are tolling up on was it a good week for the markets. a pretty good employment report, more than 2000,000 jobs added to the economy. you would think that would be the wind at the president's back. why is -- why isn't it? after this.

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♪ neil: i wonder if they'll run my interview i did with george washington at the time. kidding, but a magnificent figure. that looks like a very good special too. this looks like a very good market, right? the s&p and nasdaq hitting records again, the dow doing just fine, thank you, an employment report showing 206,000 americans got jobs, a little more than than some were thinking we would see, but it's not quite what it appeared, and it certainly does not seem to be

helping one joseph biden. luke lloyd picks apart owl of this stuff -- all this stuff. >> hey, neil. neil: i heard, well, this means that the federal reserve is very likely to cut rates certainly before the end of the year, maybe before the election. they always, i think, get ahead of themselves, but what do you think of that? >> i think there's pricing in a 75% chance a rate cut happens in september, but the majority of people don't care about that. one thing you kind of hit on, it's not really helping joe biden. historically, it's typically pricing in an incumbent victory if you rook at a history because we haven't seen a big drawdown on the market if the incumbent loses. but there's three types of people out there. the first group is if you have liquid assets like stop -- stocks that have appreciated, your accounts are looking adjusted for inflation the last couple of years. if you don't have investments, your wages have not outpaced inflation, and people do concern

are deeply upset. that's the bottom half of america, but there's a large group of people that's not talked about. they have assets like land are, a house, maybe a business, but they're illiquid investments and the costs of servicing those assets are putting extreme strain to the point they need to get rid of those assets. the hidden costs of inflation like when you own a home, insurance is now up 20% because your house as has has appreciated 20% in a a few years, or someone's property tax goes up 40%. so i know farmers that have accumulated 300 acre os to of land over the past 5 -- 0 -- 50 years, some of them are talking about selling it because they need to service the tax obligation. a lot of the economic problems are still kind of impacting people from a financial standpoint. neil: you know, the markets really have been on a tear, particularly the nasdaq, particularly with a.i. and technology. i mean, conceivably, it could repeat in the second half of what it did in the first half

which means we could have the nasdaq up 40%. that might be a little crazy, but it does seem frothy and crazy to some, to some. what do you think? >> well, typically, historically from the, you know, last rate hike to the first rate cut, you know, typically the first rate cut signals there's economic weakness, actually. it's actually not a good thing if we get a rate cut. most people think technology stocks, rate cuts are good because longer duration stocks will do better. i don't necessarily think that's the case. i think the game's changing a little bit because this a.i. rally, a lot of it has gotten priced in. america's been the number one spot to invest in, the american financial markets. i think you're actually going to see some money come out of america and into other places as we move our supply chain over from china over here to north america. mexico, that's an area we own in our portfolio, eww is the etf. we've been looking outside of the u.s. because there's been some money made here in the u.s., that money has to spread out, so look maybe elsewhere as

kind of a diversifying trade. neil: when you lack at the appetite for stocks, a lot of americans want in on a.i., they would have, should have, could have with nvidia, some of these other big names. and if they did nothing and they had these names just by sheer force of weight in the runup, they've become a disproportionate part of what they own, maybe too much so. how do you advise them? >> i think a lot of people have gotten some exposure maybe through their 401(k)s or retirement plans. maybe they're not directly living off the a money from the financial markets which is why they kind of have that fomo, but at the end of the day i think it's about a building a balanced portfolio and really understanding the path we're heading down and the path that america's kind of heading down where those assets -- that own assets have gotten richer. and that's going to continue to be the case. as we head into the end of this year, if a trump the victory becomes more likely depending on the polls, there typically is a 17 or 18% drawdown top to bottom if the incumbent loses. so being aware of that and

taking that risk into standpoint, understanding that rate cuts are actually good for bonds, you know, they're actually -- it has inverse relationship when interest rates go higher, bonds decrease in value, to actually headache some appreciation on your portfolio rather than just income. so understanding that metric could help you out. neil: all right, luke lloyd, he knows of what he speaks. all right, in the meantime here, looking at all the cross-currents in the last week or so that have come to the benefit of one donald j. trump including supreme court decisions, especially that big one of immunity that even his former attorney general bill barr that says could make a lot of earlier cases disappear.ac up next.h. where there is one, others aren't far behind. always scavenging for food, the cockroach... well that's horrifying. ortho home defense max indoor insect barrier.

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criminals at a home. he doesn't have authority to go and assassinate people. so whether he uses the seal team or a private hit man, it doesn't matter. it doesn't make it a carrying out of his authority. so all these horror stories really are false. neil: maybe so, but it's igniting fears on the left that it's going to empower him. one put it this way, that it could empower donald trump to wield executive power in more extreme ways in a is second term. what do you think of that, that it will embolden him to do the very things that democrats have been pounding? >> they can't write opinions tailored to the particular exigencies of the moment. neil: all right. so bill barr, donald trump's former attorney general, saying these fears that all of a sudden you're going to create a king and he's going to be out of trouble, rebecca rose woodland, new york trial attorney, very smart when it comes to this legal stuff. rebecca, what do you think of what he's saying? >> i agree with former attorney

general bill barr. the left is just creating noise that has no basis in reality. the scotus decision is a decision for all former presidents. it is not specific to former president donald trump. the decision is very clear, neil. official acts, three sets. two official acts, there are absolute immunity and qualified immunity for two different types of official ab acts. if an act is unofficial, there is no immunity from prosecution. so any sort of criminal activity that's outside of the scope of the executive branch of government is not immune from criminal prosecution. it's very direct, very well reasoned -- neil: well, it might well be, rebecca, but here's my problem with that. i'm not a lawyer or as smart as you are on this stuff, but it could take years for lawyers to debate a private act a versus an official act. the president, or a former president is going to say, well,

that was an official act. it wasn't a private act. and back and forth we go. and that is in with democrats pounced on the idea that donald trump seems to be hinting at revenge when he gets back in office. to be clear, the former president said his best revenge will be success, but they fear that, and they say that this emboldens that. what do you think? >> well, i think that the left is fearing what they are doing, weaponizing the justice system. they are fearing that if donald trump gets into office, he will do what they did to him. he is saying he's not going to do that. with democracy we have the separate branches of government, and we have the opportunity for justice for all. that -- everyone has the right to bring cases if they feel they're valid. but they're not to be used of the justice system to weaponize. so the concern the democrats have, they should look at themselves and look at alvin bragg and judge per -- merchan

and understand that's what was done by democrats to the former president. so that's really not a valid concern because we have checks and balances, and the supreme court has ruled that activity such as that is not appropriate. neil: well, that's the stuff of debate, right? and the lawyers going back and forth and taking years to resolve. having said that though, you mentioned the new york case. the sentencing has been pushed back to september on that. it might even go away because some have argued that some of the elements in this supreme court decision do reflect on conversation the former president had with key aides and their testimony was very much a part of this case. i'm just wondering what you make of that and the possibility of that case being thrown out. >> well, neil, what we're seeing is after the decision came down on the immunity, donald trump's team wrote to the judge asking

to fully brief these issues -- neil: right. >> -- claiming that the decision affected very specific aspects of the case; testimony by hope hicks, social media posts, things that according to the supreme court could be official us, thises not -- thus, not be able to be used in a prosecution. the prosecutor, alvin bragg's office, that has to respond. judge merchan is going to hear those motions in september. what do we think? the supreme court has made pretty clear that much of what was used against form former president trump could be immune which means the prosecution could not use that. if the prosecution could not have used it, well, then the jury decision has to be thrown out because the jury based -- we don't know what they based the guilty verdict on. any or all of the evidence that was presented. so my argument would be if i were the former president's

attorney, you can't pick and choose to now remove that evidence. a new jury would have to be set in place, but there might not even be enough information or evidence for the prosecutor to proceed for a second time. neil: all right. so nothing totally resolved one way or the other, but it's certainly looking good for the former president. thank you, rebecca rose woodland, new york trial attorney on all the legal details that are still going to be debated right through the campaign, maybe after. in the meantime, talk about quick. we had the british election, right? the old guy moves out that day. the new guy moves in that day. wow. here's why you should switch fo to duckduckgo on all your devie duckduckgo comes with a built-n engine, like google, but it's r and doesn't spy on your searchs and duckduckgo lets you browsel but it blocks cookies and creepy ads that follow youa and other companies.

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neil: you know, i just can't stop talking about what happened in britain with the tories losing control of government, first time in 14 years. the election results are in. on the left, the old prime minister leaves, on the right the new prime minister comes in the very same day. it's remarkel, to me because you think whatever happens at our presidential election in november, the president or the new president, whatever it is, has until january 20th to assemble a team to deal with that. imagine if doing it that very same day, and we're told that the new prime minister has started to assemble a team about halfway filled on that front. jonathan joins me right now, so good at this stuff and help me make sense of it. that's quick. i know you do this for a living and you're a great political commentator. we could learn a think or -- thing or two from the alacrity that you show because even the entire campaign process is pretty brief. what's the deal? >> the british system is well set up for this kind of

transition, and we always a remark how you see an outgoing prime minister literally moving out of 10 downing street and the new prime minister moving in. you often even see the removal truck there on the day the election result comes through. but in the instance, i think also as you say the election's called at such short notice, only six weeks of campaigning, that was within the gift of rishi sunak. he chose to call the election early. so it did happen perhaps a bit faster. on the other hand, kier starmer has noun this moment was coming. this election was his -- known this moment was coming. he's been preparing for a long time for government, and shizzed that doe his shadow cabinet have been having talks with civil servants. they've been slowly planning how to take power when they become the official government and cabinet, and they've the even been consulting previous members of the apartment respect i -- parliamentary labour party who can remember the last time they were in power 14 years ago

because there's very little expanes from some of them actually being in government. neil: it's not an exact rule of thumb, jon jonathan, but the tories after 14 years in power, before that labour a similar amount of time, maybe closer to 17 years, but it does move in that type of cycle. not all the a time, and this has punctuated this torrey rule by 5 or 6 prime ministers, but what does it signal to you especially when there's more talk about a poppe if list right-wing wave globally, that that was not the case in britain? what happened? >> britain does seem to be out of sync with that wave sweeping across europe and other parts of the world, populists moving into power and the right taking power. i think as a you say it's more to do with the cycle of left to right that happens fairly reliably. and this conservative or the outgoing conservative government has been there for 4 years. i think -- for 14 years. i think it's widely seen even on their own side that they became

messy and chaotic as a result of that, that they got too used to being in power and took too much for granted. and then, of course, it's been a challenging few years for any government. there was the covid9 19 pandemic and big missteps there, there was partygate as it was called here, many in government were having gatherings against the rules they set, there were parties going on, and when that that all leaked out, it seemed like a symbol about how they'd become complacent. they weren't necessarily obeying the rules. kier starmer, the new prime minister from the lay labour party, made a fact in his first press conference today of explaining his role as one of service. his government will be one of service that a will put the country before his party. the reason he's saying all that is not just because he wants us to believe that about a his government, because he's pointedly saying that's not what the previous government did. he and many in the electorate believe they were serving more to keep themselves in power,

scrambling from one disaster to the next in order to try to strengthen their position, ultimately, had the opposite effect and that's why they've been kicked out. they have been kicked out, in a way, more than he's been put in the power because despite the landslide victory, this wasn't really so much a vote for the labour party as against the conservative party. so he now has everything to prove, and i think he's even a serious man who wants to do that. he wants the nation to believe he's here to fix a set of very difficult challenges both domestically and internationally. neil: all right, we shall see. jonathan, thank you so much. great catching up with you again. all right, meanwhile, in this country the attention is on joe biden and whether he's been able to resurrect himself politically from, of course, that debate disaster. the interview with george stephanopoulos is being interpreted a variety of ways but, again, it has not stopped the call on the part of some prominent democrats to say step aside including marianne williamson, a former candidate herself back in the mix right

now and back saying to the party, what about me? she's coming up.