officials, not to people familiar with the campaign, campaign officials are anonymously speaking to nbc according to three people they say biden's chances of winning are 0. let me quote one of them directly, he needs to drop out a campaign official he will never occur and recover this. another no one involved in the effort thinks he is a path, this is brutal. these are people on the campaign. all of this as the campaign sits down to plead their case to senators. some on the campaign thinks there is a path forward and they are making that case on capitol hill as we wait for the 6:30 p.m. eastern time nato press conference dubbed as the big boy press conference by the white house. all eyes on joe biden will he stay or will he go? we will learn more later but for now "america reports." >> i am hoping this meeting will

address concerns that have been raised. >> what i want to hear is how they are going to win back the election. >> if anybody this afternoon comes with a we need to take gramps keys away kind of thing i will push back in the strongest of terms because he is our guide. >> the longer we spend all of our time talking concerns, concerns, concerns the more we are doing donald trump's words for him. >> john: a special closed-door meeting with todd biden advisors as lawmakers for his candidacy could sink the party's chances on the ballot this november. now "the new york times" is reporting that the biden campaign is running tests on a hypothetical matchup between vice president harris and former president trump. biden's advisors also reportedly tried to come up with ways to persuade him to step aside. so begins wednesday afternoon hello i am john roberts in washington hey, sandra. >> sandra: the amount of sound and updates are like a fire hose we will have a big two hours

coming up good to be with you, john i'm sandra smith in new york the "america reports" another day another democrat urging biden to get out of this race. michigan congresswoman hilary's colton is now the tenth house democrat to publicly call for him to withdraw. one center has officially joined that list, vermont democrat peter welch speaking to fox exclusively. this happened just moments ago. >> what was the reasoning behind your op-ed last night? >> we have to beat to trump. we have to be to trump. we have to win. >> sandra: all of this hanging over president biden today as he gears up for his first solo news conference since that disastrous debate. we will get into all of this with charlie hurt and doug shown in a minute. >> sandra: can't wait to hear what they have to say we have complete coverage, peter doocy with a preview on that so-called "big boy news conference" coming up tonight. >> john: the first hour big boy on the hill senior

congressional correspondent to had his life for us. chad? >> good afternoon, john. we are standing across the street from the democratic senatorial campaign committee this is where the u.s. capitol is right here. the meeting is with these biden officials and many of the democrats, they took a car from the capital over here. why? because they want to avoid talking to members of the press. they are tired of these questions. do they support the president? what is president biden going to do? here's an example. sheldon whitehouse a democrat of rhode island. what do you need here in the meeting this afternoon? >> i am not going to discuss the meeting. >> are you concerned about the president? >> i'm not going to discuss the issue until i've had the meeting. >> what is the level of tension you are hearing from democrats? >> i won't discuss that either. nice try though. >> why are not members of being so elusive are they worried? if they were foursquare behind him they will be more willing to talk.

>> there were others who were in fact willing to talk someone everyone has been keeping an eye on is the democrat from west virginia, joe manchin. i talked to him as he walked, he didn't take a car he walked from the capital to the meeting. what you expect to hear? >> i don't know i'm anxious to see. of always said this, my main concern is -- >> his mike is not on. >> but with that you know i've always had faith and confidence he will do the right thing. >> what is the right thing? >> i think it has to be his right thing. what he believes is the right thing. i think in his core the position to where he knows the rigors of the job and the amount of time it takes. >> now notice you have had a lot of senators going over to that meeting here. they have had a last vote of the week in the senate the last votes in the house of representatives, the house and senate are scheduled to be out of session next week for the

republican convention. i'm told we might start to get some statements from democratic members trying to put out their position if the president should stay in, whether or not he should abandon the race after the press conference tonight and someone who has stood with them all along is john fetterman the democrat from pennsylvania. >> you been foursquare behind the president so far. is there anything you could hear maybe from the press conference tonight that would change your mind? >> no. no. i don't expect anything to come out of this room that i will change my views on. i am not going to have something changed after having a great president. i really have got to go. >> the other things wrapping up today in washington is the nato summit the 75th anniversary of nato. i am told some democrats did not want to put out a statement against the president while they had foreign leaders in washington, d.c. they did not want to undercut him. john, sandra?

>> john: we will see if the dam breaks after the nato conference wraps up and we will watch what happens later on tonight. >> sandra: that brand-new sound walking and talking with members of congress right there in washington and tonight's news conferences become becoming a very high-stakes test as president biden tries to prove he is up for this job. another poor performance would obviously only fuel concerns that are already out there especially after clooney's scathing op-ed calling for biden to drop out periods senior white house correspondent peter doocy's live in washington with more. it is all anyone is talking about, peter, how are biden's allies are trying to tamp down talk of clooney's op-ed? >> they are trying to do that, sandra, by making the case that george clooney is not even the best part of "ocean's eleven." >> now i question whether george clooney has really spent a lot of time with president biden in person. i am more of a matt damon guy

than a george clooney guy. >> president biden's hosting duties of the nato summit come with pomp and circumstance but we hear that world leaders are holding their tongues about his acuity until they visit capitol hill. >> nato leaders are here on the hill did you know these foreign leaders are coming in. prime ministers, heads of state and they are telling us privately they are deeply concerned a weak america is bad for the whole world. a little more from peter welch the first of a product senator to say biden must go. he writes "i understand why president biden wants to run, he saved us from donald trump once and wants to do it again but he needs to reassess whether he is the best candidate to do so. in my view, he is not." michigan's governor gretchen whitmer is still standing with president biden. even she is saying maybe he should take a cognitive test. >> some have suggested to go ahead and take a cognitive test

and demand donald trump to the same? >> i don't think that would hurt to be honest, but at the end of the day, you know -- >> you think he should take a cognitive test? >> i don't think it would hurt. >> and president biden has a lot of good news to go off of, right? good jobs numbers, good inflation data, here at nato but none of it seems to matter. case in point he just wrapped up a bilateral meeting with ukrainian president zelenskyy. the only question anybody shouted that he ignored is whether or not his decision to stay in the race is final. maybe we will find out in 5.5 hours of the press conference. semper? >> sandra: you never know we will all be watching. peter doocy live on that for us thank you, john. >> john: for more on this let's bring in charlie hurt fox news contributor in washington times editor and it dug the former advisor to president clinton. us so we have campaign officials and biden advisors talking to some senate democrats at the same time with the campaign

chair and julie shut rodriguez released a memo there is no question is increased anxiety following the debate we are not seeing this trans mission into a drastic shift in vote chair. and ipsos poll showed a ty grace with no change since april. the memo goes on to say "in addition to what we believe in the clear pathway ahead for us there is also no indication that anyone else would outperform the president versus trump." doug come what you make of that? >> well, i looked at the polling that is been released since the debate. and there have been 13 polls, 11 have donald trump ahead. two have the ipsos poll's, are tied. all the swing states are going for donald trump except there were two states in one poll went

for joe biden. so, bottom line, it's very clear to me joe biden is behind. i think it's pretty darn clear he is very unlikely to win the selection and the calls for him to get out are, i think, reasonable, rate, and responsible. >> john: next question, doug, what do you do about it but charlie hurt, some more from the "abc news" ipsos poll should biden step aside? all respondents 67% said yes. democrats and democrat leaning independence 62% said yes. 54% of biden's supporters said he should step aside. is the diecast? >> i have to tell you, john that is the number that struck me in the poll because the match up and matchups at this point i think i tend to always dismiss them but the matchup shows

basically a tie about 46-47% but then 67% think joe biden is too hold to serve against wacom amount that are supporting joe biden also think he should not be president anymore. so at the very best, that is pretty weak support. for joe biden. and i think what we have seen this week is not an unmitigated disaster for the president. he has managed -- obviously he has some support at the beginning of the week he has had a few public events. he has not done anything that has completely wrecked him, but what we have seen is a lot of his supporters have gone from we are 100% foursquare behind him to he will do the right thing. and to me, that shift suggests among elected officials on capitol hill in washington and the democratic party that there is some erosion there.

spewing all right if he does "the right thing" charlie alluded to the question is what do democrats do about it? here is what jen psaki said. >> there is a question out there that, again, campaigns are talking about the alternative and the alternative is very clearly in my view, there is a lot of really amazing democrats on the bench because of the time period and everything is clearly kamala harris. >> john: what do you think of that, doug? >> i think kamala harris has an advantage, but as a democrat i would advocate for a mini primary. let the candidates debate, let the candidates put their candidacies and their issue positions forward, and let the voters effectively decide. and when they go to the convention, the delegates should be able the normal processes vote for the best man or woman.

i would say ours would be the odds-on favorite but i think the democratic party owes themselves given the quality of candidates which i agree is high to let the candidates come forward as they may if, in fact, joe biden does what i think is the right thing and drops out. >> john: charlie, if biden does drop out before the convention, i mean, who knows what the rules are. doug mentioned many primaries and i think other people talked about that as well. you could try to convince the delegates to vote for someone else but maybe there is a revolt among delegates at the convention they'll vote for biden and then where do you go? or if he drops out after the convention a whole different set of rules take place. this is a recipe for chaos is it not? >> i think without a doubt. and probably the best for democrats is that joe biden decides he will not be able to do it so he decides to bow out

and he directs his delegates to all get behind a single person. i don't know how you do that and a direct those delegates to get behind anybody other than kamala harris no matter how much democrats don't want to go to ride that horse. but -- you know doug, maybe the best way to do it is what doug just said about having a mini primary but the problem in an election when democrats are supposed to be talking about defending democracy, you are going to throw out an actual primary where people actually voted all around the country in every state and you are going to throw that out and come up with something else where those people don't get to vote, maybe there is some way to get some of them to vote but you are not going to get anything like what we have just been through. it seems to make you sort of second-guess whether democrats actually care about democracy. spewing to that point, doug as we look at pictures of the

vice president who is touching down for an event in greensboro, north carolina, the fact people are keeping an eye on her is an indication of where the interest is going in all of this. but this idea, to charlie's point, about there is a big democratic process that took place, 14 million people voted for joe biden, not that they have much of a choice, and biden said in his letter to congress that it would go against the principles of democracy to throw him overboard. how do you respond to that? >> i respond with difficulty. look, i think if he stands down, kamala harris will be the odds on choice. it will be a less messy process. it would mean she could potentially use the 100 millions of dollars that are still in the biden/harris account, but at the same time i am not sure to charlie's point about democracy just anointing the vice president without any sort of open process would not be

ideal for the democratic party given that vice president harris polls in most polls below joe biden. certainly in terms of approval. so i don't think there is a clear answer to this, john, but whatever happens, it is suggesting the democrats most likely will be hurt, not helped by what appears to be unfolding. spewing let's not forget in a 2020 campaign kamala harris didn't even make it to the first primary before dropping out. doug cho one, charlie hurt think you going to talk to you. >> thank you. >> john: how would you like to be a member of the democratic party at this point, sandra? >> sandra: and hakeem jeffries just gave that a news conference the weekly regular news conference but he had some heavy questions to respond to. he said he does not believe biden is a liability to vulnerable democrats because obviously the talk is about the down valid impact. he said how stems will win back

control of the house if they have a clear agenda so they have a huge task before them and a lot is changing by the hour, john. spewing a lot think this process is sad. why are we watching this biden press conference tonight at 6:30? not to hear what he has to say about nato. it's to wait and see if he falls flat on his face. i mean, for the president of the united states, some people have said it is almost elder abuse to put him in a position like that. excuse me i won't go that far, but you know, when you are looking at the president not for what he is about to say but what he is about to do, wow. what kind of a statement is that on where we are? >> sandra: i remember k-1 dome at kayleigh mcenany yesterday when she first heard karine jean-pierre on one of ths briefings announced that news conference would be happening tonight referencing it as the "big boy news conference" she said kind of cringed but john kirby stepped up after she

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thank you all for coming. [talking over each other] >> john: president biden getting peppered by but taking no questions in the oval office after democrat george clooney called for him to leave the presidential race. "the new york post" cover reads "doesn't have a clue-ny" wondering about that multilevel war chest if he steps aside. marie harf is here but first fox business' madison alworth. doug schoen was alluding to this where were the funds go if biden bows out? >> you know, don, the fate of that financial arsenal really depends who replaces him at the top of the ticket. if kamala harris moved up to the president spot she would be able

to inherit most if not all of the money because her name is already on the ticket. if that ticket is completely replaced, we got a new president and vp, then it becomes a little trickier. the money could not just be transferred over to another campaign. i spoke to former general counsel for the federal election commission ken gross and he said there are a couple of options. one is the money could be given to the democrat national committee. the challenge there is they don't usually step in until the general election which starts after the convention in august. another option is the campaign money could be converted to a political action committee but they can only donate a maximum of 3,300 to a campaign. finally the funds could be transferred to a super pac but of course a super pac they are a.k.a. a independent committee they can't correlate directly with the campaigns a lot of their money goes toward advertisement for the advertising dollar does not

stretch as far in the hands of a super pac, take a lesson. >> the ad time or an i.e. for a super pac is more expensive than a candidate. candidate cheaper ad time in the fcc rules. so that money will not go quite as far in the hands of an independent expenditure committee rather than a campaign committee. >> and according to president biden's reelection campaign and the committee the president raised over turner $60 million in the quarter recorded 24 was overturned $40 million in cash on hand. but that war chest it could be seeing donations slow to well-connected parties confirm to fox news there's been a major slow down in the last week. john? >> john: just trying to take in what you said there clearly this is a complicated process. >> i try to go slow. >> john: for me you have to go

extra slow medicine, thank you. >> sandra: we are learning more about those conversations that transpired before clooney published that devastating "new york times" essay. sources telling politico the actor reached out to former president obama beforehand to make him aware but surprisingly obama didn't try to stop him. let's bring in fox news contributor former state department spokesperson under president obama, marie it's good have you won welcome back to the program. so having worked on -- this is someone you know well, should we take it that clooney went forward with this and the blessing of former president obama? >> president obama has been very careful in what he has said publicly and he supported joe biden the day after the debate if you remember which was a sign to a lot of democrats that we may be needed to take a breath. but barack obama is a very good political operator. there is a reason we won two presidential elections and ohio twice which is not even in competition today so i think a

lot of senior democrats, nancy pelosi, barack obama, chuck schumer are trying to give president biden some space especially this week during the nato summit when he is leading the world against russian aggression. give him some space to work through what is a very personal and sad decision. i think that is what we are seeing right now but a democratic party at the end of the day is not a personality cult like the republicans we are a proper party for better or worse and so i think as the nato summit ends, sandra, you will see more of these party leaders coming out and being pretty clear if we are going to win this november and i believe we can with another candidate we have to move pretty quickly. >> murray, to your point of him being a very smart political operator, obviously he has been seen by so many especially in your party as such but there was this moment on the stage, ju june 15th, where he seemed to feel the need to help the current president joe biden off the stage.

which is sort of the beginning of everyone saying what is going on there? was that necessary? and was that a slip on the part of his smooth operating as far as a political operative? he is not pushing back on this clooney piece. in fact, this is the political reporting more from it, marie. while obama did not encourage or advise clooney to say what he said he also did not object to it. the lack of pushback is an eye-popping revelation given the president was one of the first big voices defending biden following his abysmal debate performance. remember, obama came out they are not long after the debate and said this "bad debate nice cabin, trust me i know but this election is still a choice between someone who has fought for ordinary folks his entire life and someone who only cares about himself" joebiden.com. he still seems to be saying this is your guy. >> absolutely. he is a team player and if joe biden remains the nominee

barack obama will campaign as hard as anyone. but what i think president obama and nancy pelosi whose comments have evolved, chuck schumer's comments have evolved here from hakeem jeffries, look they say that this is not just one bad night they know joe biden very well. at the core of what i think they are all going through this in real time too as well a lot of voters they know still want to vote for a democrat for president. joe biden is seen by many as too old and is only down by a few points. so if we got another nominee in there who does not have the biden baggage, who is defending the middle-class, standing up for american security like democrats do and could say donald trump is a criminal, a threat to democracy, i think the people like barack obama are increasingly coming to realize that it gives us a much better chance. we see much more polling's and since then too and more polls since barack obama about how biden is slipping. >> sandra: this is not just me picking on you i ask every

democrat on the program and we are thankful that you do. where you personally stand? do you want biden to stay in this race? should he go? >> it's a good question and i'm glad you're asking people. i think democrats have a much better chance of winning with someone different at the top of the ticket. i agree with george clooney and others who have said things like it is very sad to see a president like joe biden who i believe has been an extraordinary president. he has stood up for the middle class, he has stood up for women and milk women's health freedom across the country, but it is time for the democratic party to have another leader. we are not a personality cult like republicans we can say he was a amazing president and it's time for someone new so personally i think it would be better to have someone else at the top of the ticket. >> sandra: is that person kamala harris for you? >> i think she would absolutely, sandra. for logistical reasons we talked about it is easier for her to inherit the campaign but i think

she's a wonderful public servant with a rocky start to her time as vice president but has really come into her own as a leader in this party. i think she can galvanize younger voters and women voters across the country voters of color, i think she can get voters to the polls in a way that is incredibly good for the democratic party. she makes the case for what they have done and what they are going to do. >> she can be donald trump? >> absolutely. we know in polls most americans want to vote for someone else. they don't want to vote for donald trump or joe biden she can take that mantle for the party and i absolutely think she can beat donald trump in november. >> sandra: marie, as i said great to have you on come back soon. thank you for being here. >> happy to be here. >> sandra: john? >> john: all eyes on president biden during his meetings at the nato summit. dan hoffman will tell us what our nato allies are looking for from the president and what they are worried about as biden resists growing calls by leading democrats to give up his bid for a second term from the stay with us. >> what this says to our adversaries is there are many in

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but i would also add from my experience serving decades at the cia, i think there's a lot of behind-the-scenes very intensive diplomatic engagement as well as intelligence collection. i have no doubt our allies and adversaries are flooding the zone seeking to determine not just the substance of the bilateral meetings the president has had but also how the president performed, how lucid was he? how was he able to get his point across? >> john: so many issues are at play here. first of all, how does the president perform at nato? so far it seems he has done well. how he perform at this news conference? how did he perform the debate back on june 27th, and then does he continue on the nominee or a honest president? if you are vladimir putin or xi jinping how are you viewing all of this? >> this is an extraordinary opportunity for xi jinping and vladimir putin. first of all for intelligence collection i'm sure they have a

big board looking at all of the democrats serving in the senate and in the house. tracking who is urging everyone to get out so that is one element of this and be sure they will be ready to run disinformation propaganda operations against us. >> john: when it comes to the united states everyone has hung in every word that the leader of the free world utters. and he has been running a bit of a basement presidency one fox news did a analysis of his appearances in news conferences. in that time he went 16 months without a television news interview, 30 months without a solo news conference which is why tonight's event is very important. but when you compare that to an adversary like vladimir putin, who does wide-ranging news conferences i will be without

notes that go four hours and more. >> this is the first news conference the president has held a solo one since november of 2023. so i think two factors here, john. first of all there's that that the president does not put himself out in front of the public as an elected representative and as a democratic country should be the second issue we face is we have these complex threats to our national security, war in gaza russians were in ukraine, the nato summit now we are saying china is enabling russia and calling out china for that. we have kim jong un threatening us in the korean peninsula. all of these threats to our national security demand the president get up and speak in front of the public. and the fact he has not done it effectively is obviously cause for concern politically but it's also cause for concern for our national security. >> john: two quick questions about nato and ukraine. in the nato communique they use

the word "irreversible path" to talk about ukraine's potential entry into nato and then there is the request from ukraine to be able to use american and nato weapons to hit further inside russia. the defense minister for the ukraine was on with us yesterday. here's what he said about that request. >> do we want to protect people, we want to fire to the military targeting so we want to target only military targets. that is why we want to change from lance to the functionality protect our cities because they are heading our cities. they are heading our critical national infrastructure and killing people. >> john: what to think of the idea for them to strike deeper into russian territory? >> he is right. for those who criticize europe on ukraine look at the facts. europe has provided roughly $110 billion worth of assistance. knighted states are on 80 billion. europe is providing f-16s to mark and the netherlands and the u.k. is providing the storm

shadow long-range artillery with no restrictions whatsoever on how ukraine can use it. this is military facilities inside russia. we have always been a step behind liverpool and has successfully induced a level of escalation paralysis in this administration. we have never given ukraine what they needed when they needed it in order to fight the russians collectively. call it out for what it is europe is a step ahead on this one. >> john: dan hoffman will be watching tonight at 6:30. >> president biden has been losing major hollywood endorsements after dean cain is up next to talk about biden's growing celebrity removal. >> i mean you walk him to a debate, like what do they expect to happen? i was literally like oh, he is doing better than i thought. the rest of the country is like this is the worst thing ever. where have you been?

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>> now i question whether george clooney has really spent a lot of time with president biden in person. i'm more of a matt damon guy than a george clooney guy. >> sandra: okay some hollywood actors are closing the curtain on endorsing president biden. george clooney led that with the news yesterday. he says the president needs to drop out of the white house bid. clooney admitting he saw a serious deficiency star-studded fund-raiser he was part of back in june. however he did not sound the alarm than bring in after dean cain, why not? listen to the view. they just chewed on this a short time ago. we have it? we don't have that right now. they are saying the ladies from the view and we will have that shortly they are saying if he knew then why didn't he say something then?

right? and why did president obama come out in support of presi president biden after that debate so what is happening here question reports your assessment? >> well, sandra think it's pretty clear. i think the curtain has been pulled back. i don't think george clooney -- i love george he is a good friend of mine i love him but i don't agree with him politically but i don't think george writes that letter without the blessing of president obama. i don't see that at all. there obviously pretty close, and i think the person pulling all of the strings personally i think is president obama. and i think they were trying to get away with it. trying to get away with it until the debate happened and then we see the emperor has no clothes. >> sandra: we have the sound from the ladies of the let's listen. >> i don't like george clooney did this. i don't like that he aired this dirty laundry to the world. >> the u.s. economy under biden is boosting up the entire global

economy right now carrie why doesn't george clooney mentioned that in his op-ed piece? i met a george clooney right now. >> sandra: they are coming to biden's defense there. >> yes, if you break the line with the left they will eat you. they will eat their own. you can never be woken off. if you are not toeing the line 100% you are out. i think this has been going on since it was the basement he was in his basement campaigning last campaign and 2020 and i think finally now it is being exposed. everyone is seeing it and i think it's kind of fun to watch them run around and figure out what they are going to do. you see the brakes and the party you see chris coons going after george saying he is a matt damon guy and they are great friends anyway. i like both of them paired i don't agree with him political but i like them both. you can still do that in today's world. i think now and rob reiner was against him. and i think the ladies of the view will go down fighting but i

think it's a losing cause. the thing nobody is talking about his policy. they are talking about on the economy, no. the economy is not good, joy, it's not good at all. and they are suffering as a result i think the policies of president trump far away to anyone on the democratic side so for me it doesn't matter who they run but i don't think it will be joe biden at this point. >> john: which is a reminder along the way during this inflation chaos we have listened to the past few years there were folks like david axelrod very close to former president obama who have said biden was appearing very out of touch when it came to the inflation problem. like he just doesn't get with the american people and why they were feeling the way they were through that inflation crisis. here is another voice adding into the mist dave portnoy, listen. speak i couldn't believe they let him do the debate which brings to the point if all of these people, clooney, whoever, everybody knew this man is basically a vegetable, why would

you ever let him do that debate unless you want to show the world he is gone and get rid of them? it is shameful. >> sandra: now, why are they letting them do this news conference? those who are supporting him to stay in at 6:30 p.m. that big boy news conference, final thought. >> the big boy news conference, even calling it that is embarrassing. poor dave .9, always afraid to voice his opinion, good for him. allotted on the line here, i think dan hoffman was on talking about how few news conference as the president has done, it's insane it's really crazy. because people are keeping him from having his image, the great "wizard of oz," and that is not who he is. i think tonight is the deciding factor. if he shows up the same way he showed up in the debate or even at that fund-raiser it is over. and we could be looking at my fun a little intuition is saying he is going to --

if tonight goes poorly he will resign and kamala harris will be our first woman president for the rest of his term. >> sandra: as far as the war chest is concerned that would make more sense but who knows? i guess at this point, real quickly the final take alec baldwin in the rest shooting speaking of hollywood alec baldwin, this has been an absolute mess. and on going for him commenting real quick final? >> that's a tough one i like alex, he is a friend. what he went through, look i will watch the footage in the special i talk about it. i'm a sworn deputy sheriff. i am very familiar with weapons. and looking at the footage of what they were doing, there is tremendous negligence onset. >> sandra: som people are so into that story and following details we watch the final take, thank you. we will be right back after this. >> thank you so much.

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>> john: top advisors and his campaign chairwoman that meeting seems to be breaking up and some senate democrats are coming out. our chad pergram caught up with senator maggie hassan of the granite state here is what she had to say. >> president trump not only had a bad bid in july but a really bad horrific presidency. so at the end of the day, i

continue to support joe biden and i thought if this -- >> about senator well she called to step aside from your state? >> we have different perspectives of how to proceed to defeat form of president trump here i'm very comfortable the best way to do that is to reelect joe biden. >> john: we missed the top of that which he said biden had a bad debate then she went on to talk about president trump, but she is sticking foursquare with biden at this point. as many more democrats are defecting and i think after, sander, nato wraps up you will see the dam break. >> sandra: we are about to hear from kamala harris will be speaking in the next hour we are monitoring that she has arrived in greensboro in a high school gym i believe paired will be watching for that and of course this is all leading up to the president's news conference at 6:30 p.m. tonight, john's whole lot to watch for. walls appear to be caving in on biden's reelection campaign is more democrats call for them to step aside pair the latest from

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