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president trump is about to speak at a campaign rally in western pennsylvania. this'll be his final event before the republican national convention kicks off monday right here in milwaukee, wisconsin. today president biden is spending the day talking to groups of house democrats, and many of them are publicly asking him to drop out of the race. but the president yesterday backed by the energized crowd in detroit says he is not going anywhere. good evening, i'm shannon bream in milwaukee. this is a special two-hour edition of democracy 2024. ♪ ♪ shannon: we have team coverage for you tonight. lucas tomlinson is with the president in rehoboth beach, delaware, bill melugin here in milwaukee with details on who is going to be the speaking at the convention, and david avella with analysis. but first alexis mcadams is live in butler, pennsylvania, standing by for president

trump's arrival. hello, alexis. >> reporter: hi, shannon. a very hot day here in pennsylvania, but that didn't stop the massive crowds from showing up here to try and catch a glimpse of the former president on that stage here in butler, pennsylvania, before he heads to milwaukee for the rnc. in true trump fashion, he still has not said who he's going to pick for his vp. once -- wants all those headlines. but former speaker of the house kevin mccarthy just talked a short time ago about who he thinks would be the best pick. >> rubio would be excellent, tim scott would be excellent. if you really want to play the game i want to win the election, pick youngkin in virginia, and the race is over. >> reporter: or and that's what trump said, shannon, that he wants someone that would help him get reelected. who's on that short list? ohio senator j.d. vance, north dakota governor doug burgum, florida senator marco rubio, south carolina senator tim scott and virginia governor glenn youngkin.

youngkin's been floated more recently as a vp pick as trump tries to win historically blue states like virginia and minnesota. trump rallied with youngkin one day after that debate trying to put virginia into play, standing up on stage with the popular governor. lindsey graham also saying, shannon, to cbs that he's a big tim scott fan but youngkin's flying under the radar and shouldn't be. >> think he's decided. i'm a big tim scott fan because i want to expand the map. three people being talked about, burgum, solid as a rock in north dakota. j.d. vance would be, is aligned with president trump in many ways. can he expand the map? marco rubio, got a problem in florida, i think he's a very articulate conservative that could help president trump enormously. but somebody not being talked about that should be, in my view, is youngkin from virginia. if we win virginia, we win. it is over. so i'm hoping president trump is hooking for a vp pick that not

only can carry on the america first agenda after he leave, but also win in 2024. >> reporter: and, shannon, we went around and talked to voters here in butler, pennsylvania, asking who they want to see on that ticket for vice president under trump, and many of them really pointed out might be if owe with, which was interesting. no vp pix will be here tonight on -- picks will be here tonight. we were hoping we would see j.d. vance since this is kind of his area, but no i dos, shannon. shannon: alexis mcadams, thank you so much. now, for more on president trump's upcoming rally and just how important pennsylvania will be in this fall's election, we bring in republican state senator cameron br rtelotta. all right, representative, great to have you with us. the white house and the trump campaign say the win has got to come through pennsylvania. current polling gives a slight edge to president trump there.

what do voters in pennsylvania care most about? what's going to sway hem at the ballot box? -- them at the ballot box? >> i think it's very clear to the voters how important pennsylvania is not just because of all the tv ads that have been pouring in every day, all day, many times over and over again in a row not just for trump, but for u.s. senator dave mccormack, etc., but also the visits from the candidates. it's very telling. and pennsylvania is critical, absolutely crate call -- critical in this race. shannon: so we've got this internal memo from the biden-harris campaign, and here's a bit of what they say. right now winning the the blue wall states michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania is the clearest pathway to that aim, but we also a believe that the sun belt states are not out of reach. the consensus across internal and public polling is that the top lines in the blue wall states largely remain within the margin of error. so for those who are celebrating what appears to be a bit of an

if edge for president trump, should they be tempering their enthusiasm a bit. >> oh, absolutely not. you can tell the difference in the enthusiasm between the trump voters and the biden voters just by the numbers of people attending the rallies. i've had people calling me for days about this rally up in butler to see if they could get in and how they get their tickets, how do they get a place in it. and i know that there are literally, what, 45,000 was at his last rally. i'm not sure how many can fit if at the butler farm show, but i know it's tens and tens and tens of thousands. there we go, yes. compare that to those counts at biden events. they can't fill a high school gymnasium. so i think it's palpable. and i think it's only going to grow. and i see, i see a big win, i think, for president trump in pennsylvania. shannon: well, not surprisingly a couple of your u.s. senators who are democrats do not see the

race the same way. i want to play a little -- little bit of something from senator fetterman who says what he's hearing from the crowds is pennsylvania is different. here's his take. >> joe biden is going to win pennsylvania and, of course, so is bob casey. >> you think the president will ultimately win pennsylvania? >> i do. in fact, i'm around everywhere, and i'm -- people recognize me. and not one single, not one single person have approached us as a democrat and say joe biden, we gotta get rid of joe. just the opposite. shannon: okay. so, senator, he says not only should president biden stay on the ticket, that he's going if to have a convincing win. is so let's talk that through because there are plenty of talk. we've got new polling coming out tomorrow that looks at different people head to head with president trump. does the campaign have to pivot in some way? is it a different race if there's a different democrat at

the top of the ticket facing president trump? >> well, again, to senator fetterman's point, you know, i worked with him in the senate when he was president of senate, and i understand that he is a devotee of president biden. but, again, we can't ignore not only how poorly president biden has been performing not just in the debate, but in interviews and elsewhere. along with that just the fact that there are 19 if not more elected officials, congress people and other senators who are demanding that he step out of the race and let someone else take the helm. if as a republican and knowing a lot of republicans here in pennsylvania, especially southwestern pennsylvania, you know, you go, joe. you stay in there because we mow for sure that there is no way that the president joe biden on the ticket is going to be the donald trump. -- to beat donald trump. it's just not going to happen. shannon: so what would you say there in pennsylvania when we look at the issues that a come

to the top of our polling. the economy, most of them, but the immigration issue as well. a lot of states say we're all a border states now. you've got abortion as well which has worked really well for democrats. how would you rank what pennsylvanians are most worried about? >> everyone that's been coming and talking to me and, again, i have a son in office, i have heard time and time and time again almost everywhere i go these days people are telling me we've got to change this course. we have to do something different in november. we have to get biden out of there because they can't afford groceries, they can't afford their air-conditioning bill, they can't afford gasoline for their car. people aren't going on vacations. they're not sending their kids to colleges of their choices because they just can't afford it this year. and, again, reports are shown people are spending upwards of $1,000 more every single month because of biden's horrific policies. we can't survive more of that. we've got to turn this ship

around. shannon: well, clearly, pennsylvania is a battleground state. the president has spent a lot of time there recently, president trump on his way in, the first lady there today, the vice president as well. state senator camera bartolotta, thank you so much for being with us. >> my pleasure. thanks so much. shannon: so the stage is set, and some big names are starting to arrive in milwaukee with just two days until the republican national consequence kicks off. wisconsin's bluest state gets set to host this year's nominating convention which begins on mono. former president trump is expected to officially become the party's nominee for prime minister bill melugin checks in just down the the street. hey, bill. >> reporter: hey, shannon, good to see you. just a few moments ago we finally got the official list of speakers from the rnc including some newly-confirmed names. amongst them, texas governor greg abbott, virginia governor glenn youngkin, texas senator ted cruz, arkansas senator tom

cotton amongst many, many others. and as we just heard alexis report, all of donald trump's potential vp finalists are expected to take the stage next week as well including north dakota governor doug burgum, senator marco rubio, senator j.d. vance, senator tim scott. and now a lot of republicans have been throwing around glove glenn youngkin's name -- governor glenn youngkin's name. they feel he would be a good choice and help expand the base. all of them will be speaking here next week as a well. in the meantime, trump has said he wants to make the announcement during the rnc itself, but the campaign says the real focus is on everyday americans including unc frat brothers who are also going to be on stage. they're the ones who protected the american flag from anti-israel protesters on campus earlier this year. >> and these gentlemen were brave enough to hold up our flag, stand four ideals. president trump continues to -- for our ideals. not only is president trump and his winning message going to be on full display, but so are the

american people. >> reporter: now, the the dnc has already put up ads all around the milwaukee area slamming trump and republicans. there's also a group called march on the rnc which says they are planning to protest the rnc and republicans they say with upwards of 10,000 people starting on monday. >> so we're really looking to the engage with that first day because, you know, setting the march on the first day really helped set the tone for the rest of the convention. >> reporter: and, shannon, as you are well aware, it is going to be a bigtime week out here in mill milwaukee. city officials anticipating upwards of 50,000 people arriving for the rnc, that includes delegates, staff, press and, as you've seen out here, a lot of law enforcement, security very, very tight for this event. send it back to you. shannon: yes, it is. tighter by the day. bill melugin, thanks so much over at the site of the republican national convention here in milwaukee. thank you.

so joining us now for more on this, david avella, chairman of go pac. david, great to have you with us. it is about to be messaging time for the rnc. the country watches, the the world watches. but how much are republicans worried that everything you're doing here is actually going to take attention off headlines they liked which have been trouble for president biden and this open civil war in the democratic party? >> messaging is essential here, shannon, in that we have to tell voters what we're going to do if we get four more years in the white house. with president trump and then potentially even a house and senate majority. and what direction we're going to go. president clinton -- president trump has been very clear that you're going to see a white house that's focused on securing the border, it's going to look at the tax cuts that were bipartisanly passed during his first administration that he's going to want to continue. implementing so that we can

continue to help bring a strong economy back to america. all the areas -- and, of course, energy. as you think about him being in pennsylvania right now, hopefully your state senator who was just on and all of those in western pennsylvania will start the talking about president trump's energy policy and what he's going to do to make sure western pennsylvania continues to have plentiful jobs in the energy industry which will be very different if you get another biden administration. shannon: david, let me ask you about the rnc platform9 and the issue of abortion because i've heard from a number of pro-lifers who say they're not happy with how the rnc, the party has a backed away a bit from a very full-throated defense, they say, of the unborn, of being very pro-life in nature. what do you make of that a part of the platform which is clearly not about as the president, former president says, he does not want a national ban. he's made that a very clear. >> you have a supreme court that

has said the states are going to decide those issues, and pro-life movement has much work to do in the state level. keep in mind here, shannon, political parties are about bringing coalitions together, and the pro-life movement is an important one in the republican party. it's not the only coalition. and as voters decide who better advances their overall a belief system, it's hard to believe that there's going to be pro-life voters who think joe biden is the better choice than donald trump. shannon: is it, though, understandable that they would have some disappointment even though, yes, i don't think that they would go over to president biden, but there are issues that democrats are worried about, people who don't line up with president biden may just stay home. could that be true on the gop side too? >> well, the one motivating factor for republicans is getting joe biden out of office and replacing him with donald trump who is far more in line with their views. look at the intensity gap.

look at the not only the intensity gap for republicans and their enthusiasm for donald trump, but as you point out at the beginning of this segment, many democrats are now starting the think, well, is biden really going to be our guy, and how excited for everyday american voters, how excited are they to go vote for joe biden? that's why the messaging here at the convention, a lot of effort is put into it and why so many everyday americans are going to be featured. we get the messaging part right at the convention, and once we do that, then we start the going on to make sure the mechanics are right and that we actually turn out our voters. i mean, think about this, shannon. donald trump comes out of this convention, and as is typical, he will get a boost in the polls. and he goes from a 6-point lead, which he has right now in pennsylvania, what if that lead goes up to 10? what a if that lead goes up to 11? you're going to have democratic elected officials double in the number that will say it's the

time for joe biden the move on if he is all of a sudden down double digit in pennsylvania -- digits in pennsylvania this close to the election. shannon: david, do you think that the current president's days on the ticket are -- stays on the ticket or leaves, and what's the better option, do you think? >> he's made pretty cheer, father time is the only one who's going to take him off this ticket, and at this point that is the only way to remove him. for all these elected officials on the democratic side who say he should step down, it doesn't matter until they start saying as delegates they're not going to vote for him. it is the delegates at the democratic convention that get to decide, and anybody can say they think he should step asigh. the only vote that matters is are they going to vote with him -- for him with their delegate votes to make him the nominee. shannon: so we are all on pins and needs here in milwaukee and around the country to the waiting to see who president trump will pick as his running

mate. the new york times says donald trump is once again fund raising off the possibility that he should announce his campaign pick -- pick at a rally? ahead of one on tuesday in florida, he did not announce his running mate. now we're told that the people we think are the short listers, david, aren't going to be there, so unlikely he announces tonight but, man, president trump knows how to tease. maybe he does tell us tonight. what do you think? when do you think we get the pick? >> here is my thought, shannon, in that i think it's none of the above. if history is any indication. i mean, you think about this, mike pence wasn't talked about as president trump's nominee -- or choice. sarah palin wasn't talked about as john mcif cane's. joe biden wasn't picked about his for barack obama. you know, it's always the name that's rarely talked about or never talked about. and so if you want to go with history, you say the vp pick is

going to be somebody no one's talking about today, and president trump has made a pretty strong indication he wants to do it monday night, and very wisely has said his top criteria is someone who can bourne if they have to step in and take over. for all this other speculation, president trump is going to pick someone who can take over on day one if necessary. shannon: david, i love that you tell us it might be a curveball. we shall see. david avella, always good to see you. thanks so much for your time. [laughter] >> good to see you as always. shannon: and, by the way, a reminder, rnc chairman michael whatley will be my guest live on tomorrow's "fox news sunday" special from milwaukee. much more ahead for you as we await president trump's arrival at that rally in pennsylvania, a key battleground state. ♪ oooh! this is our night! shingles doesn't care.

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shannon: welcome back. i am shannon bream near milwaukee, wisconsin. we are still awaiting president trump to speak in pennsylvania, big rally there. we will take you there exactly when that happens as folks stand by in about 90-degree heat. we've got breaking news in the entertainment world w. fitness icon richard simmons has died at

a 76. he just celebrated his birthday yesterday. he thank thed fans on social media for sending well wishes. so beloved through the fitness committee and beyond. christina coleman has details from los angeles. hello, christina. >> reporter: hi, shannon. legendary fitness guru richard simmons has died. he became famous in the '70s and '800s after opening a number of gyms and releasing a bun of fitness tapes. now his fans are mourning his loss. tmz reports that law enforcement sources say emergency crews responded to a call from simmons' housekeeper just before 10 a.m. this morning and that he was pronounced dead at the scene. they're looking into this as a natural death. they do not suspect foul play. he recently had a health scare. in march he revealed he was diagnosed with skin cancer, but he later announced that the cancer cells were successfully removed. and as you mentioned, shannon, he had just celebrated his 76th

birthday yesterday. again, he has millions of fans who loved his workout videos, his energy, all the fun that he brought into this world. just yesterday on social media he said, quote, i am grateful that i'm here, that i'm alive for another day. he continued on by saying i'll spend my birthday doing what i do every day which is to help people. what a wonderful frame of mind. he was so sweet and just so positive. i remember watching his videos when i was younger. my mom loved them. he just had so much energy, and he just brought so much light into the world so, again, just a very tragic loss. also he was a frequent if guest, apparently, here on fox news appearing a lot with neil a cavuto. so, yeah, just very public, all the energy and positivity he brought into this world. shannon? shannon: yeah. christina, my mom and i had the same experience you did too, just knowing he often a reached out to people who were really struggling with their health, with their fitness, with their

weight and just had these classes where he really wanted to encourage. i know folks will be devastated by this. he does, as you said, leave such a legacy of kindness to other people. christina, thank you. >> reporter: thank you. shannon: so embattled president biden is spending the weekend in delaware as he defiantly pushes forward with his plans for re-election despite calls for him to step down. he told supporters at a detroit rally last night he is in the race, he plans to win in november. lucas tomlinson is live in rehoboth beach, key -- delaware, where the president is spending the weekend. hey, lucas. >> reporter: good afternoon, shannon. president biden has wrapped up his call with progressive democrats and their caucus, one of two groups of house democrats he plans to speak with today. we just received a statement from the chairwoman of the progressive caucus who says in a statement, quote: we, frankly -- we spoke frankly to the president about our concerns and asked tough questions about the path forward. we appreciate his willingness to

to thoughtfully answer and address our members. as a caucus, we will continue working to do everything in our power to defeat donald trump. and while he was speaking to those house democrats, the progressive caucus, his vice president, kamala harris, spoke at a rally in philadelphia and to reporters afterwards. >> he is a master of the issues. he is so highly respected among our colleagues around the globe. and, i mean, look at everything from hen to even just what he did last night in michigan. turning out big crowds. there's a lot of enthusiasm, there's a lot of support. >> reporter: and in about an hour south of where former president donald trump is planning to speak, the first lady, jill biden, just spoke at a rally in pittsburgh, western pennsylvania. and after that bombshell piece in "the new york times" by george clooney, senator bear gnu sanders taking to the same pages calling on democrats to rally around the president writing, quote: despite my disagreements with him on particular issues, he's been the most effective

president in modern history of our country and is the strongest candidate to defeat donald trump. now, 19 house democrats and 1 senator now calling on biden to drop out of the race. the president as you mentioned, shannon, speaking last night in detroit said he's not going anywhere. [cheers and applause] >> folks, i'm the nominee, i'm the nominee, 14 million democrats like you voted for me in the primary. you made me the nominee. no one else. not the press, not the pundits, not the donors. you, the voters, you decided, no one else, and i'm not going anywhere. >> reporter: president biden's also scheduled to speak to the new democrats, another democratic coalition. 13 of those members, shannon, say they want a new nominee to run for president. shannon? shannon: lucas, do you, quickly, expect that we'll get a readout from that call as well from either side of that conversation? >> reporter: that call should be taking place right now.

the president also might be going to mass, we saw a service scheduled to begin at a 5:30, so the president is going to mass. i guess he'd be running a little late by now, shannon. but he also spoke to the crew at the uss dwight d. eisenhower returning to norfolk on monday afternoon after a 99- month deployment -- 999-month deployment. -- 9-month. shannon: it is a nice thing if you are going to be late to church to have your very own escort, so we'll see. lucas, thank you. we are waiting for former president trump to speak in western pennsylvania. this is going to be his last rally before the republican national convention officially kicks off here in milwaukee, wisconsin. when president trump goes live, we'll take you there. stay with us. ♪

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well, it is a hot day out here in butler, pennsylvania, but it doesn't matter for voters or former president trump who just arrived here in his motorcade after landing just about an hour away in philadelphia. sorry, in pittsburgh, rather. we can tell you trump is possibly going to make a big announcement. we're hearing that the presumptive republican nominee has been teasing i could be making a major announcement that's sure to strike fear in the hearts of our deep state enemies, sending that out right before he's to going to take that stage here at this rally. one of the things that the former president, shannon, has been talking about is with this vp pick that he hasn't announced, he wants somebody that can help him be reelected. this is what he told fox about that. watch. >> the choice will be very, very good. it's going to be a great vice president meaning a person that can do a fantastic job as president, because you always have to think of that first. and then second, somebody that helps you get elected. and there's nothing wrong with

that. >> reporter: okay. so who's on that short list for vp? that would be ohio senator j.d. vance, north dakota governor doug burgum, florida senator marco rubio, south carolina senator tim scott and virginia governor glenn youngkin. more people have been floating virginia governor glenn youngkin as a vp pick as trump tries to win blue states like virginia and minnesota. we asked people who they want as vp. listen. >> i just want president trump trump -- >> i think they're all, you know, like rubio. >> tim scott. i think he would pick the right person, race, religion, everything. >> i like rubio miamis i think that would be the way to go. >> probably marco rubio would get a wider base of other people. >> reporter: so trump's not the only one focused on pennsylvania. first lady jill biden and vice president kamala harris have been campaigning here in the swing state is today.

they've been making several trips here just so far this summer. back how here live, i can tell you things are really kind of building here as we saw that motorcade pull up, and once again just mentioning, shannon, teasing that major announcement saying i'll give you a hint, friend, i may be introducing kamala harris' replacement. that was something that the trump campaign sent out a short time ago. we were trying to figure out who might be here in terms of vp picks. we thought maybe we'd see j.d. vance since he's not too far from here, he's not going to show up, no burgum, no rubio. so we'll have to see if anyone if's on that stage tonight -- if anyone's on that stage tonight. shannon: well, he's great at producing and ginning up interest. we'll see if it's somebody else who shows up. alexis, thank you so much. all right, for more on this, let's bring in the head cook, she is a republican attorney, political strategist and media comment cater.

by the way, as we stand by, who do you think would be the best fit for president trump on this ticket? >> look, i think we're so excited to see so many great names, it's very positive. being from ohio, seeing j.d. vance, i think there's a lot of us rooting because he truly represents the future. but president trump is probably going to surprise us, shannon. i think he's going to come up with a pick that nobody is talking about because that's his style. he's always surprising the american people. shannon: he does enjoy a good surprise. okay. so let's talk about this, because we're getting more of a sense of who is going to be speaking at the rnc stage this week. there are a lot of folks that maybe would not traditionally be expected to be here. the teamsters' vice president is pushing back on the union because of who is going to be here. he says this: a speak engagement by teamster president sean o'brien, regardless of the message, only normalizes and makes the most anti-union party and president i've seen in my lifetime seem palatable.

if o'brien is going to satisfy his ego, that's the accusation they're making, if he's going to pander and beg for the republicans to abandon their anti-union policies, then the teamsters' membership would be better served if o'brien stayed home. that's john palmer, in charge of the international brotherhood of teamsters. cheerily, the rnc is -- clearly, the rnc thinks union members are ripe to listen. >> you're right, shannon. the name of the game truly is unity, and that has always been the platform for anybody to say this is about just pontificating or standing on a stage, that's not what this union president is trying to do. he knows that he represents the working class which are voters today, and they are hurting more than every single, every single day as they're trying to pay for gas, groceries, electricity. many of these individuals are breadwinners, and they are saying bidenomics is not working. so what the teamsters' president is truly trying to do is create

unifoy concern -- unity and create a path of prosperity. the other problem is these government mandates that have truly hurt unions. biden has pushed for electric vehicles, he's pushed to increase the carbon footprint. he's continued to push for less fracking and drilling. guess what that means? corporations are either getting automated or going offshore. that has a trickle-down effect on union workers. they were better in 2017 when president trump had historic tax cuts. that allowed for union workers to put food on the table. these are just common sense regulations. so i'm so happy that the union are president is coming and speaking at the rnc. thinks historic. this is historic. shannon: we'll see if other union members actually are open to these messages and whether they feel like there's an alignment or not as the objection coming from this individual, john palmer. let me read you this too about some of the rnc's everyday american or real american guests they're going to have. jim chilton, an ads rancher near the border -- arizona rancher,

and anne -- whose son died of fentanyl poisoning. a harvard aa lumbar who's suing the -- alum who's suing the school, and michael morin whose sister was allegedly murdered by an illegal immigrant. do you think these messages will resonate? the democrats say we are the party of the average american, of the working person. republicans are about the elites and these tax breaks for the rich. will this messaging with real americans work? >> i think the messaging works because president trump has been right on these policies. look, the message is simple, president trump represents everyday americans. so he is having them on teenage. the rancher in arizona a, the mother of a child who died of fentanyl overdose. these are the individuals that president trump worked for four years to protect when we had a closed border, when we had less illegal immigrants -- immigration, when we had less fentanyl trafficking and human trafficking. what we're seeing under biden is he continues to bander to

elites, continues to have people like robert deniro. president trump says the rancher is who i want to hear from. these are the the hard working people that americans want to hear from at the republican party -- that the republican party truly represents today. shannon: and quickly before we go, we've got a slew of polling the debate and even within the last couple of days that shows it's still a neck and neck race. if republicans and president trump argue that president biden is not performing welsh he's not up to this job, why do you think that the race is still so close? >> well, shannon, i really think it depends on what poll you look at. real clear politics has president trump continue to edge out biden in many of these swing states, and it's truly because president trump has policies that have worked for prosper prosperity and peace. real clear politics has president trump over 3%, so we're going to continue to work harder, smarter and tear down these blue walls. and again, i'm telling you, there's this unifying message.

the fact that president trump went to the bronx, the fact that president trump is in swing states like pennsylvania today speaking to hard working americans, this is what's going to to resonate. and the polls, this is just a sample of americans. wait until you see the president on stage today, wait million you see his vp candidate. i think it's going to be a game-changer, and every american should start looking at their pocketbooks and their safety and security and remembering america first is what president trump has always been. shannon: and that will be the message this week. thank you so much for your time. great to see you. >> good to see you, thank you. shannon: we are waiting for former president trump to speak in western pennsylvania, his last rally before it comes right here to milwaukee, the republican national convention. keep you up-to-date. be right back after this. ♪ ♪ when you're a small business owner, your to-do list can be...a lot. ♪

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shannon: this is the scene in butler, pennsylvania, where the crowd waits in the heat for the arrival of former president trump. we believe we're minutes away from that. of course, we will take you there live as soon as president trump takes the stage and begins to speak. but looking ahead to to another battleground state outside of pennsylvania, let's look to georgia where voters are voicing concerns about president biden's mental ability and the state's election interference case against former president trump is in limbo. georgia voters say the economy

and immigration are their top 2024 issues. president biden beat president trump by a mere 11,000 votes in georgia in 2020. it was tight. madison scarpino is live in atlanta with more as we look to this time around. hello, madison. >> reporter: hello, shannon. well, we spoke to a lot of voters around atlanta, and opinions are pretty split. georgia, of course, is a key swing state. it's traditionally red, but as you mentioned, biden narrowly won in 2020. so the big question now is, will georgia remain blue in 2024? ever since that first debate, team biden has been getting at lot of heat about his age and mental fitness. here are some people's thoughts. if. >> it's not perfect. the thing i do like about biden is that he usually gets good people around him with a lot of experience. >> not saying that he's not an intelligent man, but at certain points in your life it starts to decrease, and that's natural a. >> i don't see nothing wrong

with biden. >> yeah, he definitely seems like he has dementia -- [laughter] and p like, he can't, you know, finish his sentences. it's kind of embarrassing at this point. >> reporter: the latest ajc poll from before the recent debate shows trump slightly ahead of biden in georgia. but the latest quinnipiac poll shows 50% of georgia voters agree with trump's conviction in husband new york hush money trial. the former president is still facing a lot more state and federal charges including election interference charges right here in fulton county. some voters refusing to vote for a convicted felon, some people saying it doesn't impact them voting for trump. the people were also 50-50 on other voter issues like which candidate better handles things like the economy and immigration. back to you. shannon: all right. madison scarpino in atlanta, thank you very much for reporting from there. okay, for more on this as we await former president trump to speak there the in pennsylvania,

let's bring back in david avella, chairman of gopac. all right, david, good to have you back with us. we were just in georgia. obvious obviously, the trump campaign feels very optimistic about that, but "the atlantic" says the trump campaign cochair told me there are probably four true battlegrounds, arizona, michigan, pennsylvania and wisconsin. he said the campaign feels confident based on public and private polling as well as their own internal modeling that georgia, nevada and north carolina are moving out of reach for biden. now, if this is true, if their polling's accurate, there's also talk of looking at a virginia being in play, maybe even new hampshire. what's realistic at this point? if. >> the number of battleground states are going to continue, shannon, if in fact the report that quitedden took advice -- president biden took advice from bernie sanders and the progressive caucus on his hundred first days in office

second term that he talked about the other night in his speech. there's a reason why joe biden is at 36%, and it's more than just his cognitive abilities. in fact, it's more than that, it is his policies that have gotten him there. much of them right out of bernie sanders' playbook. we have heard this consistently, that it is really the bernie sanders/elizabeth warren wing of this administration, and the folks inside the administration that have driven biden's policies, and that,s again, why is it 36%? shannon: well, it is interesting today as you talk about the more progressive wing to see senator sanders with this full-throated not defense of his policies, but defense of leaving him on the ticket. in "the new york times" today, he ticks through everything he disagrees with him on policy about the war in gaza and all kinds of progressive issues where they break, but it's clear he's one of the democrats who worries more about this thing breaking apart publicly, maybe getting thrown into a mini if

primary, you know? if what decision happens if there's not a full endorsement of vice president harris as the replacement. it seems like democrats are really having to do a lot of this in public in a way that's going to benefit republicans and has been at least in the shore term. >> here's a curveball for you, shannon. if this goes to an open convention, why not bernie sanders? he is the philosophical lead in the democratic party. he is known amongst dell gates. if -- delegates. if this gets blown wide open, don't count bernie sanders out as being the democratic nominee. do i think that's going to happen? no. biden has made very clear only father time is taking him out but, gosh, how interesting that cop to vex gets. shannon: i will note he did say the lord almighty. maybe you're counting that as the same thing. he did say if the lord came down is and talked to him, he would consider it too. he also seemed to crack the door saying if my team comes to me and shows me polling, that there's no path for me to

victory, then maybe i'd consider it. do you think the president is softening at all on the possibility of wag away from the ticket, quickly -- walking away from the ticket, quickly? >> only time will tell on that. but, look, shannon, if all of a sudden north carolina is no longer a swing state and all of a sudden georgia's no longer a swing state and nevada is no longer a swing state, it's only a matter of time before pennsylvania, wisconsin and michigan fall. and then you see virginia and minnesota come into play. problem is time is not on their side. i mean, the democrats are about to start their convention here in a few weeks. he will be the nominee, and replacing him then becomes almost impossible, getting him off the ballot in states across the country. and they'll go into november with him. shannon: could be very tricky. we mow they're going to try to do that roll call vote before the convention itself. david avella, thank you very much. we are getting a signal we're

getting very close to president trump taking the stage, so we want to to toss it out to alexis mcadams who is covering it out in the field in butler, pennsylvania. >> reporter: hi, shannon. we just got a 5-minute warning from the if trump team. they're playing macho man, and people have been waiting in this hot sun in the swing state of pennsylvania for hours. people got here around 7:00 this morning. the line to get in was huge. we went around and talked to a lot of people at this rally asking them who do you think the president should pick as his vp pick. we asked about marco rubio, tim scott, j.d. vance and glenn youngkin who's been floated a bit more. we kept hearing marco rubio, a little bit of tim scott as well. people are excited to see who he's going to pick. as for if that would change their mind about putting somebody else on the ticket, they don't really care as long as a trump is on the top of the ticket. they say they know he'll pick the best vice president he can. the issues are about the economy, specifically inflation. i talked to a couple families

who said they have special needs if kids that have to drive around here in butler county, and they can't afford going to the gas pump on a daily or weekly basis to try and fill up because they're paying so much more at the pump. that's why they want to see trump back in office. also talking about inflation, in terms of just getting groceries at the store here in pennsylvania. trump's not the only one focused on this swing state. we know that the vice president has been here today. this is her sixth campaign time just so far this year -- stop, rather, shannon, in pennsylvania just so far this year. and also jill biden is out here today, the first lady, trying to really gain support for biden. many people we talked about here, i asked them what they thought about the debate. they said it just was very difficult to watch and that it looked like trump, again, was the best option. that's what they're hearing from many people who might have if even been on the fence, but once they saw that debate preparation and performance by trump, they thought he was the best guy. you can kind of see behind me

what we're seeing here in the crowd. when we're talking about how has it's out here, it's more than 900 degrees. it feels like 100, and these people have been waiting for authors -- hours just to catch a glimpse of the president. this'll be his final rally before he heads to milwaukee for the republican national convention. but, hey, in true trump fashion, he won't say exactly who east going to pick for vice president because he wants the headlines to keep coming out and wants to drum up that excitement. it is interesting to hear more about a glove glenn youngkin of virginia because we note the former president is trying to make a play in some of those blue states like virginia and minnesota. we'll hear what he has to say in a short time, but the time is raising here in butler, pennsylvania. shannon. shannon: alexis, and you've had a great chance to talk to so many different people about a issues and vp picker picks and those kinds of things. did you hear about what they think about a possible replacement for president joe

biden? is there anybody that worries him? no matter who end up on the top of the democrat ticket, that president trump will not have to change the campaign or pivot, but will still move forward in the same way? >> reporter: shannon, good question. i asked that to some people out here too wondering, you know, if it isn't joe biden, will trump still have a good shot? they said it doesn't matter any of the names who have been possibly floated like a governor newsom. they believe trump is on his way back to washington, d.c., and they want to see that. but i think most people said that they've been watching at least for a while and noticing that president joe biden maybe wasn't to doing the west on some issues, he's been talking and kind of using the teleprompter more, so many people said they weren't surprised by that performance and they were wondering why the democrats would be looking to make a change this late in the game. they think trump's got a pretty good shot of going straight back to the white house and making america great again, is what they said. in terms of vp picks, we did

hear a lot about marco rubio. out of about 30 people, that name was mentioned every single time. i thought we'd hear more about j.d. vance since we're near the ohio border, near parts of appalachia where people feel like they connect with him, but it was about rubio and tim scott. shannon: well, i will say, shameless plug, tomorrow on "fox news sunday" we're revealing the new polling that shows how all of the potential democrat contenders other than president biden -- and president biden is on this list too -- how they fare head to head with president trump. i think those will be really interesting results. i'm assuming folks there, you know, president trump has got a lot of legal challenges still pending, trying to get that new york case thrown out. georgia seems to be sort of in limbo know. -- now. he's got the the federal cases pending. are folks even concerned about that at all? it seems like such an overwhelming legal burden for the former president, but it seems like politically, if anything, that's just rallied his base even more. >> reporter: i think so, yeah. i think that's been interesting to watch play out. you know, being based in new

york and watching him out in that courtroom every day and going out and talking to people on the campaign trail, most voters are like, what court case, you know? they're not worried about it. nobody really talks specifically about that hush money trial at all, they're just focused on the the future and mostly what impacts them on a daily basis. that's why they go back to inflation and the border. which is interesting too, one of the topics they talked about on stage is about border issues that impact parts of this swing state specifically like the fentanyl issue that has left so many people either sick or dead due to some of these drugs in this area being laced with fentanyl. so that's something they want to see the former president crack down on. it's a huge issue here, and every state at this point is a border state. i'm always interested, some areas you wonder if they're going to care as much about the border, but that and inflation is the hot topic. shannon: alexis, don't go far. we're just minutes away from president

david what do you make of these crowds? i remember back to the romney and paul ryan at bigot rallies they were having huge leading up to the days of the election. we know they did not ultimately win that election. are we reading too much into the crowds for president trump or do you think he is an exception you can take this anecdotal evidence and that should give me the confidence moving forward? or do you think are welcome potential voters out there should always, as most campaigns caution run as if you are behind. cooks here is what i know pretty up to show up at a trump rally at 7:00 a.m. to get a seat. you can show up at a job died in rallies seven minutes before it starts and you can get a seat. that is it mean anything with actually turning out voters? it certainly has an impact on voters wanting to be with the winner and who looks like a winner. that definitely has an impact on

voters turning out too. but it does not take away from us having the mechanics in place to make sure that our voters go out to vote. that election d day is secure. that ballads we know is a fair clean election. and that we can trust the vote at it is counted. so there's a lot of work that still needs to be done i would say by the republican national l committee and the grassroots organizations. but the rally certainly too good and showing enthusiasm. shannon: speaking of enthusiasm is hard to interrupt it looks like president trump as they are getting ready to take the stage that is a word we are getting beutler, pennsylvania there's a lot of activity today you see their president trump's final rally before he then comes here to milwaukee for the republican national convention. he has taken the stage as he often does to that specific song. he will spend a little time working the crowd before he

begins a speaking will take you there when he does that there's been a lot of speculation whether this rally will include some announcement of a vice presidential contender to join him on the ticket. he is there in pennsylvania on a day when the vice presidents kamala harris was in philadelphia the first lady joe biden was in pittsburgh not far actually for president trump is that the same sector of the state. he has two other very high-profile democrat voices and names and faces out there because everybody knows this estate is critical. both campaigns want to be able to put this state, pennsylvania in their column. it would be critical for them come election night in november. so they are working the safety were david talking a bit there it's going to be about turnout for the rnc has been talking about doing things a little bit differently when it comes to canvassing it comes to encouraging people to vote by mail. to vote early. to take a page out of the

democrat playbook court democrats think their ground game is much more advanced. it is much more complex it is much more well rooted in these states where it could make a difference. making sure people take every advantage of getting their ballots in. it is something that has worked for democrats. republicans say they have a new playbook on that this time around. and they are doing the same for you can see there have been it appears tens of thousands of people waiting there and they heats. alexa says it feels up to 100 degrees there for it all day long for our zipper from a number of speakers. there'there is but a local as ty have had to wait for the man they came to see. the man who was the 45th president of the united states and is campaigning hard. trying to convince any of these skeptical swing voters and independents will be so critical to this convention he should be the 47th president as well. he is taking in the cheers and from the crowd as he gets ready to take the podium. we will listen in as he gives

his remarks. >> usa. usa. u.s. a. usa. >> this is a big crowd. this is a big, big beautiful crowd. [cheering] [applause] i wish the vacant news back there would show it. i wish they would spin their cameras and show it because nobody would believe it. [cheering] the other day b divided was sayg i've got big crowds. he doesn't know what a big crowd is. there were like 93 people there. ninety-three june with that is that's where the front row joe sits. we've got more than 93 front road joe's hello beutler hello to pennsylvania i am thrilled to be back. this is a beautiful commonwealth with thousands of proud hard-working american patriots and that is what you are. we've got to bring our country back because our country if you

have not noticed. millions and millions of people are pouring in from prisons and for mental institutions buried we are going to stop it. were going to get it stopped and bring them back as he said were going to bring them back. we are going to de- porch with the help of everyone here tonight we are going to win pennsylvania this november. we are going to defeat crooked joe biden and laugh at kamala harris were going to take back the white house we are going to take back our country. we are going to take it back at. [cheering] our country has been stolen from us. you see that. it is the greatest investment for the greatest crimes is what they've done over four years in hiding with the obvious effects are. isn't it a shame? you run for the president of the united states from a basement, from a basement.

all very dishonest stuff. we are going to have the greatest election for it i will tell you what we did fantastically in 2016. we did much better in 2020 you know we did much better it was rigged, it was a rigged deal but we did much better. it's nothing compared to the enthusiasm all over not just in pennsylvania, all over there's nothing compared to the enthusiasm we have seen over the last year think about a year end a half ago it started it really started immediately after the election if you want to and of the truth. a year end a half ago we were seen crowds of people desperate to have rallies. desperate to have anything to take back our country and we are going to take it back. next week the republican party will hold its convention in milwaukee, wisconsin and five days from now we will officially accept the republican nomination for president. for president of the united states.

[cheering] [applause] we are going to get a good sensenator you have a real stiff write down your current senator i've never met him i don't think i've ever met him i was only there for years but i don't think i ever met him. i will tell you that is your center to he votes with the biden or whoever happens to be further us left. we've got to get him elected, mccormick we've got to get mccormick. he is a good man too. he's a valiant fighter he is a great, great gentleman can we bring him up for a couple of minutes later a little bit later? alright you get ready mccormick you get ready i will get you up here. the word will see a vibrant republican party and that is bigger, stronger, more confident and more united than ever before for that is what we are we are the most united party now, i'm wash and eat fake news and go

crazy they are saying the republican party has not been united since ronald reagan like it is right now. it was united under ronald reagan the second time was very united they said there's never been anything like it they've never seen a movement like this. make america great again but joe biden talks about we have to stop maga. maga means make america great again, joe. it makes make america great again that is all we want to do. if he was doing the job i would not be doing this i'll be at some beautiful place with a gorgeous ocean, the mediterranean, the atlantic may be the pacific. >> thank you trump. thank you trump. thank you trump. >> and said i'm here to view wiu fighting to get a senator elected and to make sure we take back the white house because if we do were going to make america better than ever before.

and it is not easy. we have millions and millions of people in our country who should not be here. dangerous people. criminals we have criminals, we have drug dealers. we have people who should not be here and it is much tougher -- like we have the strongest quarr ever. in recorded history we had the best board in fact if they could ever put up a chart i don't know if they can do it and you guys have access to the chart i love so much? you don't mind if i go off teleprompter, do you? these teleprompters arm boring itried to explain that. you guys are doing at there getting better with time. my guys, take a look at the chart. take a look at the arrow on the bottom see the big red arrow, right? that is when it left office that's the lowest point and that comes right from the government services. it comes right out of border patrol. take a look at that. so that arrow is the lowest

amount of illegal immigration ever in recorded history into our country. and then the worst president in the history of our country took over and look what happened to our country. probably 20 million people and that is a little bit old that chart is a couple of months old. if you want to really see something take a look at what happened. [inaudible] [inaudible]

we are alive or for president trump was speaking on the stage. there has been some kind of disturbance that clearly set law enforcement and se secret servie into motion. aimmediately jumping around the former president and a protective mode. the crowd has been screaming. they are standing by. you can hear some voices saying are we ready to go? are we ready to go? we are looking at president trump. this does not look good i'm going to be honest with you from what we can see right here it looks like they are attempting to move him out but he may have been injured. he is holding up his arm. he is pumping his fist clearly secret service wants to get him out of the situation.

he is attempting to stand and walk on his own. he is god's hand pumping in the air his fist is pumping in the air quickly they are removing them from the stage. this is happening very quickly. we are trying to ascertain what happened but quickly we do know immediately secret service was on him. jumping to protect and let's go to alexis and mcadams is there at the rally president trump is waving his fist but is injured. being taken out of this rally but he tells on sites. that was i cannot even explain how quickly that just happened. he showing t the illegal immigration in the united states he is he st standing up on stage heard at least four or five shots. we saw secret service jumped

into action. we saw a local federal authorities moved in but i'm going to here and ste step out f the way. you see people coming in with their guns drawn here. trying to figure out exactly what happens. everybody tried to get down here and that media area and in the crowd as well. they heard the shots fired. we saw people up on the stage a hug my photographer pan over here. they had snipers right up here on top of a group who had a watch on the crowd for hours. making sure everything was okay from a security perspective. we have lots of security we had to come in for i'm not sure exactly where the shots came from at this point. we are trying to figure it out. to hear that and see him fall down on the stage i cannot put into words.

and trying to figure we are trying to figure out what happened. shannon: alexis mcadams and their at the rally with former president trump where it sounds like and it looks like from what we can tell at this moment there was a shooting. it sound like a multiple shots fired. it appeared there was an injury to president trump or we do not know the extent of it. we know he was holding his fist in the air. is pumping it as he was taken away by the secret service. hurriedly getting him into a vehicle getting him out of there pretty saw there's an ambulance there on the scene. that is standard protocol for any rally like this but any event for this very kind of situation but we are nothing about the former president potential injuries or current condition. other than we saw him pumping his fist and holding his fist up. there is an enormous security at these rallies the secret

service, local and many others involved. you can see this crowd is done. alexis mcadams is there explaining that mood you witness if you are watching we are trying to find out what happened. if there is a suspect. the suspect is in custody are taken down. i would not be surprising there is a very quick response is there always would be in this type of situation. this is developing very quickly. it is happening very quickly you see law-enforcement mulling law enforcement mullingaround tt moving or appearing to be stunned and clearly they were in the midst of this and want to know what is happening as much as we are trying to get that information to you as well. again, we get to the quick response of the secret service you can hear them saying are we ready to go? are we ready to go? there's always a plan and guarding a protect the to stabilize get the situation under control and quickly get

them a path out of there. again we did see what look like some kind of injury to president trump is lifted up. he appeared stunned but he was very much conscious. he was waving his fist. he was walking on his own with the help of others who were assisting him. but as always the ideas get them quickly away from the situation. they wait to hear any medical update from those who are there within fwith him from secret sed others. in the meantime the thousands who have gathered there and waited all day he would been in the heat are not moving. they are witnessing something that is the shock of a lifetime for all of us who have been witnessing what was going on there. expecting another spirited rally as we are days away from the republican national committee. the convention here in milwaukee we are broadcasting from. thinking maybe we would've gotten vice presidential pic orr announcement for president trump

tonight. instead the headline is much more serious as we wait to see what has happened at this point he is gone from the location. we know folks if th have their s stunned silence. they have questions but who knows of the crowd is being controlled or it l lockdown. it is possible as a law enforcement would try to make sure they have the situation fully and hand able to see you may have been responsible for what happened there. it happened very quickly. we are waiting to assess what more we know. alexis, if you can hear me would like to check in with you as well to see what you are hearing having just a witnesses moments ago. it appears we do not have alexis it's always possible they are moving reporters away from some of these areas or we simply lost our connection because obviously there's a lot of communication going on there.

the battleground states it's up to at least that's a feels like temperature president trump was a few minutes into his speech he taken the student stage after a bit of a delay quickly got to the stage we understand there was concern about how hot it was his arrival god bless the usa will spend a couple minutes he had done that and begun the speech and was not long into it before alexis, tell us what you saw from your perspective on the ground in beutler, pennsylvania. the tie the truth other so shaken up we heard several

gunshots. we saw smoke in the front kind of turned where we sought is referencing the pointing to the craft we heard it several pops he was on the floor we saw the secret service move in with her federal arms are drawn. without the snipers appear on the roof time to survey the crowd to make sure ev every bitf it came and was checked. that's receiving got all these events in the secret service is involved the check as many people as they can people were out here for like 12 hours almost. not the person fired the shots was into the crowd mixed in. after former president trump was moved up that stage and rushed away the motorcade left we did see secret service members and

possibly state police moving in again with their guns drawn. looking like they possibly took someone in for questioning or custody we could not see there's a lot of movement over there to the other side of the stage that is awfully for off the former ps carted off. he yelled as you might've heard during those remarks after they picked him up he said let me grab my shoes. he had fallen to the ground they're trying to do everything they could to make sure he was okay pretty walked off the stage and before he left he pumped his fists into the crowd and everybody started cheering, make america great again. to come to these events you see the secret service you and others possibly at this risk fr the former president to come in and there are these big crowds for they did everything they could it look like to check everyone. we went through several metal detectors to check your backpack, they want people down and it takes a long time for this people to get them because they are so thorough. at this point, not sure if this person who fired either a weapon it was some type of little pop

like explosives. to see that smoke come up we will have to figure out exactly what this was that was either thrown or fired. to see the president on the ground people were crying when they were leaving and very upset. because it is shocking very upsetting regardless of how you feel about president trump this is a moment no one wants to witness in our country. alexis please standby will be continuing to return to you. we have now turned back at this video we can again take a look at what happened. again it's going to be troubling to some folks we will when president biden sees me president trump had taken to the stage and was speaking. this is what happened. what are we doing, what are we doing hold, hold are you ready

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leaving he was lifting his fist he was walking on his own he is being assisted out by personnel, secret services we gotta go, we got to go he asked to take his shoes they said we got to go. alexis from our re- watching of this it happens very quickly it is hard to tell exactly what is happening. there is a moment he reaches up to his ear. hard to tell if he was struck by something or what exactly that was about. he is quickly covered by this shield that's with him at all times. he was down for a few moments. they made a plan to get him out of there. alexis it is hard to tell whether he took any physical injury. if it was the shock of it. more forcing him to the ground for his own protection. he was clearly cognizant. aware speaking and raising his fist to the cheers of folks as he left. i think one of the things i've to point out people heard pops and don't know exactly what it was that we heard. but

it sounded like a possible fireworks or explosions. it was multiple pops in a row the screaming you hear below in fact sir i'm going to have you show these are some people that are very upset after what happened that's why her the screaming they're blaming what's gowithout the meet it's the media's fault that's what's going on right now going back to exactly what we heard it was the

series of pops something important to point out is the smoke. in terms of what kind of possible a weapon or explosive was use were trying to figure it out the former president either fall to the ground was put to the ground quickly they popped up there the secret service tried to jump in and protect him. we saw people swarming for this place is full of law enforcement you know from going to these large events like this. they checked every single person when they come in they check your bag. they check everything for they want people down. they were trying to figure out exactly who was in the ground if it was coming from the crowd for you can see thousands of people waiting here. or if it was something on the outside on the perimeter here where he was able to drive up in his motorcade. there is a retention pond in some areas a backer like the main road the former president drove in is behind that red barn. there is some open areas in the neighborhood in the house back there. in terms of if the person had to be in the property, i do not think so pretty could have thrown something if it was a firework or explosive like that right over the fence. i caught everybody by surprise in terms of him grabbing his ear when he came back up i do not know what injury he possibly had he was able to say to them let me grab my shoes tried to walk away with dignity send the message putting up his fist and telling the american people the voters in the swing state he was out here to connect with them and improving america getting back to the white house for this is something you think about when you're going through security and getting it wanted how they have to be so careful at somebody so important up on that stage and there are so many people in close proximity of impaired they need to do their best to make sure he is safe in today it shows what can happen. shannon: you are so right there is never anything short of the full list of security. we want you to be safe there too will check back with you in a minute. meantime fox news concerto former nypd inspector paul moreau. gosh, we just do not know the details of exactly what is going on here. we know the level of law enforcement that is involved every time there's a movement of his secret service protect the. your thoughts we are just starting to learn a little bit more about what happened here. click the first thing i would say off the top as we should remember that in any incident like this a first hand reports and nine are going to be wrong. we should not overreact.

and obviously waits for the fax to come in. does look like he did stood up he was okay to the extent he raised his arms he seems like he was strong. looks like a graze wound to his ear. we do not know if he had any injuries below that he seemed to be fairly spry. there is that in terms of securing a situation like this it is helpful at best you want people and they come in they are not metal detectors which are cumbersome and sometimes mobile metal detectors are tough to set up. as a lot of "guns out" there now that can defeat a wand you cannot want every inch somebody this was a firearm and that is not clear assuming it was a firearm there were pops heard a lot of people do not realize what a gun shot sounds like. sometimes it does not sound that it could have been a light caliber gun of some variety that somehow got in there that defeated a wanting and thank god it looks like it was not more serious. we play the video and happened moments ago so people can see it appears president trump touched his ear quickly it was taken to the ground by secret service because that is what they do their job is to stand in that ip and to protect him. these men and women do this

every day for all their protect these. like you they are folks who have chosen to serve. put your selves in the way of harm potentially. it seems like honestly who will be re- watching the tape of what happened we see him appearing to be on his own walking, gesturing to the crabbed standing up getting out of there. it seems like the secret service was slow down only by him trying to get him out of there think he wanted to reassure people and will very quickly get some kind of response. you talk about the distinct sound of something a firearm versus fireworks. any of that can create panic. something that short of a firearm something like a firework or something not a gun isas we understand it also be capable of sustaining an injury certainly causing panic here. >> certainly could cause a panic. and light of the wounds and apparently there is smoke spotted it almost certainly

seems to be a fire arm we do not have the facts at the take a step back we learned a long time ago in situations that are quickly developing have to keep your mind open and proceed cautiously and maturely for the .the main thing is he appears to be okay they're going to do a forensic here. it is unfortunate to say but having an ambulance standing by on somebody who is according to the reporting likely to be the next president would be adventitia. tthat board and force them into an suv to get them out of there very quickly. there's another aspect of this is a nuance you cannot catch it on intelligence is also the threats regarding donald trump had been actually monitored because there are a lot of people online acting very and judiciously in my opinion. i have seen some things that are close to threats i would like to

think that's not really the secret service belly wink. that is something others should be doing at the federal government and i would like to think you can secure the sites in secret service people agree they will throw themselves, anyone at the scene, the ronald reagan film of reagan getting shot how quickly they react and how selfless they can be. i hope these things are scrubbed intelligence was on social media and elsewhere but hope there's l lesson on that. this should not happen. i hope they are keeping an eye on it. because frankly, i have said to people i know i hope he is being careful. there is a lot of rhetoric around him and a lot of it is very unfortunate. >> paul, real quickly or going to bring in brit hume as well would ask him my law enforcemet perspective were the odds who ever this a person was a favorite within this gathering, whatever device they did have it with them i would assume this person is in custody or at the

secret service assessed at immediate threat could have possibly been taken down and the moments this was unfolding. >> whoever it was i am going to say pretty categorically despite my dre just saying we should be cautious they will get him. the division of duties in a situation like this a lot most of the locals of the state cops and local cops involved in securing the area and the scene they know that they have the personnel. they will have been reacting for the service is going to protect the body the cops are going to do the investigation. there on the scene immediately looked flooded that every debit witnesses they are pointing out. feel fairly sure before nightfall tonight if not already they'll know who did this they will be in custody hopefully will be no further injury to anybody. >> paul, we so appreciate your time if you will stay close and want to bring in brit hume with us. this is the last thing any american wants to see it is a moment and cam in campaigning yd

and hope will never come. it looks like from what we can see in the video president trump looks in good shape easy taken out of there. your thoughts on where we are in this moment the tone of the conversation in the debates? >> my thought would be it is dangerous to rely entirely on early reports. i've seen photographs now of the president bleeding from the area around his ear. i remember so vividly when ronald reagan was shot all those years ago all the report seems to indicate that he was okay. it turned out he was not okay and needed emergency surgery to survive which he did happily. we are in the early stages of this now let's be very careful about what we conclude the first signs are a looks like the shot did not do what it was intended to do he may well be all right but let's be very careful here. shannon: absolutely that is the

best caution we always have to take. like we said people watching this video can see he very much wanted to telegraph to folks he was on his feet. he was talking and motioning and gesturing. but if this turns out to beat what appears to be some attempt to hurt him, to create havoc potentially at this event britt, you've covered these for decades. we know there is always a risk when folks are out for britt if you hold on a second want to go back to alexis i think they're going to clear the area she's got an eyewitness with her alexis let's check in with the real quickly. >> and got to this real quick because now it's an active crime scene i want to check in really quick with you. what exactly did you see? >> i saw president trump giving his remarks. i heard the noises. i look to my left hoping that it was a prank and it does not appear from the reactions that it was by looked back as of that secret service up on the stage protecting the president.

doing the best they could just springing into action just like the simplest people they are requested you see blood in his ear? above his ear, above his ear did not look like he is bleeding from his ear think everyone in the front row we all started praying for him pick what you took cover everybody up here kind of got down part you didn't get down at all? did you see moving prettyto the? >> yes, yes. shannon: it looks like we have lost alexis so britt i want to bring you back will check in with lucas as well as traveling with the president. britt, your thoughts on this moment and at least what appears to be an attempt to do real harm. >> we can all be grateful we have not seen something like this before. after all we are living in the time of embittered politics donald trump is perhaps the most controversial person in recent history to run for president and indeed to be president here he is again looking like the

election may be headed his way. with all that we now know about president biden. it is worth keeping in mind this is a terribly hard job for the secret service to do in such times. it is probably remarkable something like this or close to it. a testament to the presidents ad other prominent reported. >> absolutely. tasks they willingly do every day they are real hero may know and a moments notice. they could be pulled into this. how do you worry this may change the conversation or do you think this will shock people into toning down a bit of a rhetoric that has been amped up in recent weeks and months. >> you always hope when something like this happens that is exactly the effect will be people will stop and think and

say maybe we don't need to make these poisonous comments about people in public life. perhaps we don't. my impression is in the way the things the move news cycles move so fast feelings arise out of a bent like this tend to be temporary. while it may be true for a while the sheer meanness of our political discourse these days will subside for a time. it'lit be nice if it lasted a lg time it's too early to get her hopes up for that. >> britt, thank you for dialing in pre-please do not go wave covered many a campaign this is a day we hope will have an ending that is much better than it appeared at may beat moments ago. always good for caution we wait and see we are waiting word from the secret service, from the trump campaign to find out the status and condition of president trump who walked out of there it appeared on his own. i want to check in with lucas tomlinson pretty were traveling

with the president as he is there in delaware this week and not actively campaigning. any sense of a possible statement or response from that campaign today? >> the president was asked by a report it when he exited the church about 20 minutes ago, anything about the reporter asking about this quote unquote shooting which we cannot confirm a shooting took place in beutler. the president said no. he's also asked about this call with senator schumer were told president biden is back at his residence in rehoboth beach we are waiting to see if there's any kind of a statement. one thing to dovetail of what brit hume was saying of course anyone going to a presidential in this case a former presidential rally you go through metal detectors before going in there. we did see for president trump

going off the video you are showing he did stand up on his suv with his fist raised it does not appear that he is seriously hurt. but certainly here rehoboth beach with president biden we are awaiting at this in-kind statement from the white house certainly any on camera statement from president biden later. shannon: are getting worse still images giving us a little bit more of a picture of what was happening with president trump it looks like there may be, hard to tilt may be a little bit of blood on his face. you can see them fully capable, fully in his faculties he raises a fist and walks out of there as a secret service is trying quickly to get him moving. we will wait to find out more about the details of this. we continue to say these are heroes immediately guarding the president. immediately right there actively doing what they do which is pledged to protect anyone that is in their care. lucas, please let us know. will circle back to beginning for the reaction from delaware

or from within the biden white house or campaign as they are learning probably more than we know at this moment but cecertainly inreal time. former d.c. homicide detective ted lyons is with us. are you there? as a man who has worked in a better sense coming to covering protective people in the care of law enforcement at every level. primarily federal when they go out and do this is a former president. your thoughts and what we seen this afternoon for. >> to shannon, this is one of the worst nightmares of law enforcement. specifically the secret service who are charged with the protecting the pres president ae former president of the united states.

when you have got a larger crowd like you have here that former president trump was speaking before, you have all kinds of law enforcement around. you have state, local you have federal. you have specifically the secret service. see the various pictures of president trump here on the stage and how the secret service moved in right away to get him off the stage. you can see about his face there appeared to be some blood there very well may be some injury we are just going to have to wait to learn more. but this is something law enforcement planned for. but no matter how much you plan for something like this, you never can get it one 100% rights if there is someone hell-bent on injuring the president of the united states. if you remember some many years

ago, shannon, in maryland george wallace was speaking before a crowd there. someone in that crowd shot and injured the presidential candidate george wallace at the time. there are always these incidents and they are deeply concerning. >> absolutely want to read something just coming in. former vice president mike pence was of course a vice president with president trump said this in a post moments ago he said karen and i are praying for president trump join us in that. i'm quite sure that's what's happening for those who've witnessed what we saw there today. ted, secret service their priority is protecting the president getting them out of there. note that a crime scene investigation. what happens in the moments investigating what happened at

the scene. >> immediately what happens is that area with the shots believed to have been fired is now a crime scene. what law enforcement is doing as they roped off that area to preserve it. now, they're also trying talking to anyone and everyone in the crowd who may have seen something. we do not know at this stage as to whether the they'd taken anyy into custody. but, what is happening now as you are going to find state, local, the fbi processing what is now a crime scene. and so as a result of that many of the bystanders are going to be perhaps witnesses or to help law enforcement to try to determine what took place here this afternoon there.

>> ted, please do not go far it went to check with my colleague bret baier joining me on the phone now. brett, this moment is just a shocking part is not something our country ever wants to experience or see. may have lost bret baier. let's a check and see. ted, if you are still there. >> karl let's bring in karl, ted did not go far. karl same question i have for brett this is a moment you are always bracing yourself or when people of this importance and this magnitude and this history a former president they take to the stage in the middle of a heated campaign there's got to be planning for it. but your reaction to this shocking moment? shannon: karl, if you can hear

me? okay i'm going to come back to ted i think he is still with us. ted you talk about the investigation the fact we now have thousands of people who are potential witnesses to this crime scene. what is the timeline for processing a scene like this for identifying a suspect identifying what even happened. we are going with the best of what we can tell from watching this event a few times over on tape. >> well, shannon there is really no timeline or time period for processing. they are going to methodically take their time, meaning the law enforcement to process the crime scene to talk to individuals who may have seen anything. they're also going to try to pull as much of video feed as they possibly can to try and see what took place there and pennsylvania this afternoon. it is a very challenging

scenario and situation a law law enforcement is faced with. but they are trained to take on these kinds of situations. i would have to believe that at this stage of course i know quite a bit more then perhaps they are going to tell us. the big question i want to know and i'm sure america will want to know is do they have anybody in custody? is it just one person? we can go back as far as john f candidate when he was a shop there in dallas it was thought to be more than one person other than lee harvey oswald if you remember there was a big investigation. what they are doing right now is preserving this crime scene. trying to find out as much as they possibly can about the shooter or shooters and find may be a weapon there. i can tie when a presidential

candidate is on the stage like that normally they have bulletproof vests on. this secret service is surrounding them. and if you notice how fast the secret service converged on trump here was real immediately. shannon: okay, ted thank you very much do not go far. lucas we are hearing it now from the secret service getting some kind of reaction and update to it happen, would we know? >> shannon we just received a statement from the white house which says i'm going to read it prespresident biden has received initial briefing on the incident over president trump's rally print is notable they are not calling this a shooting right now. the secret service also out with a new statement saying quote and incident occurred the evening of july 13 at a trump rally in pennsylvania the secret service is implemented protective

measures the former president is safe. this is now an active secret service investigation and further information will be released when available the big take away from there is secret service and the white house are not calling this a shooting right now former president trump's rally they are merely calling it an incident we will stay tuned on what more they have to say. shannon: okay lucas thank you very much i think we've got my colleague bret baier with us and with the latest data from the secret service and the former president is safe. your reaction to this moment unfolding and the middle of a very heated election campaign. >> yes shannon i am on my way to a plane to milwaukee odyssey to start our coverage tomorrow night's for the republican convention. this obviously is a major surprise. reaching out to campaign officials and officials around the campaign. everything we heard so far is that there is some kind of nick on that year he saw the picture of the close up of the blood on his face. but everything we are told so

far as the former president is okay at this point. he saw secret service move very quickly and surround him in a matter of seconds you look at that video it is reminiscent of a the past presidents like president ronald reagan. and you have seen those images before. fortunately it appears this is not that. it is interesting the white house put out that statement. there is an investigation ongoing but we are getting at by the minute here. most importantly the word we're getting initially as a former president is okay. shannon: yes, that is the most reassuring thing especially after seeing him there. we could hear the audio is a secret service is very ready for him to get moving you saying let me get my shoes on pumping his fist for the crowd trying to indicate it seemed like he was walking off on his own. they were shuffling him out of there obviously creating

protective cord and around him. he may have been completely fine to walk and maybe it appeared a little bit slowed down simply by their efforts to protect them, surround and get them down the stairs and out of there. we do know president biden has been briefed. as you said we are here in milwaukee this is a couple days before they officially begin their kickoff here. what do you think may be the impact of this? we have felt this country is so divided and now we are looking at a moment which to everyone, every decent person in this country something they never want to see in any political rally. >> this is a moment where our country is in a really precarious position. you have a democratic party that is in turmoil the president saying he's sticking it out and he is going to run however there's a lot of talk about whether he is or whether he isn't. this incident is a big moment. we have to find out all the details of what exactly happened

and where those shots came from or what they were. we do not have a lot of details on that but it just adds to the tall malt we are seeing in this country as we head towards the conventions the republican convention first and hopefully is going to be peaceful there will be increased security guaranteed with all we are seeing so far. shannon: brett i want to read this just coming in one of our colleagues here at fox as this urgent statement from the truck campaigns and president trump thanks law enforcement and first responders for the quick action during this heinous act. he is fine and is being checked out at a local medical facility more details will follow so brett's, again another person's strengths first coming from secret service and how they trump campaign itself it sounds like he is doing well at whwhateverthe intentions were or happened at the rally it sounds like he's going to be just fine

and probably, i would guess you'd knowing him and i knowing him as many folks know him probably more fired up than ever to get back on the campaign trail. >> yes just the indication he wanted to get up and raise his fist after that moment was an image she wanted to portray. i think there is a lot to know where things are coming from. shannon: absolutely. brett, thank you very much for it safe travels will see you here very shortly in milwaukee. i want to make sure we get that nationally syndicated potable reporter she is pennsylvania she is someone has a pennsylvanian would be the right term she covers the state border to border and is it inside and out you were there at the rally, saceline outbreak and he tells what you witness? >> yes. i was here at the rally i've been years since 12:00 p.m. this afternoon. i actually met with the president for a couple minutes before he went out on the stage.

he was in great spirits. we were to do an interview after the rally i was in the buffers the buffer zone is the area it's like a narrow area right along with the president stands. and i was there with other photographers i heard something pop coming out from the left-hand side. you saw the president go down. immediately what i could hear him say was let me get my shoe. he got right back up. i could see him raise his fist. and then the secret service and military sort law-enforcement sort of surrounded him. it was not to hold him up but it was to protect him because no

one knew where the shooter was at that point. they walked him off of the stage and into his motorcade. shannon: selena, we are hearing it, you are there in person we are here again every watch the tape over and over again. what did it sound like to you question what we have had reports of a puff of smoke or puffs of smoke. could you see anything about a person you mention the direction this was coming from any of those details? >> oh well, not really the sun was in my eye i could tell the direction it was coming from but i could not see the person. and then the advancement laid on top of me and made sure i was okay. that is what the expense was like. but as a gun owner i know what that sounded like i knew immediately was a gun. shannon: for your assessment there being on the ground it was

not a firework or something like that you're hearing of it did sound like a firearm for. >> yes it definitely. no doubt about it. shannon: okay we know they have tried to clear up folks from that there's obviously a crime scene investigation going on there. selena we are glad your steak. please say was i want to check back in with brett were learning a little bit more we've now got statements of the secret service and also from the trunk and been the former president is safe. that is excellent news at the best possible news. it is not take away from the shock and the distress of whatever it was attempted you heard celine that she is now confident as a gun owner herself and someone as an eyewitness this was a firearm. >> there has not been much doubt about that, shanna complete consistent with the video we have seen. a partiparticular with theremae president flinched and raised his hand to the right side of his head to his ear that is consistent with the video we've seen of the blood streaming from that area of his ear and face.

i think we cannot trust the statements being made to say that he is okay. all the video evidence we can see including the picture is on the screen moments ago of him raising his fist and being carried away by the secret service group confirms that. this looks like something that could've been much worse than it is at the moment it has turned out to be we can all be very grateful for that indeed and very grateful indeed as well for the secret service for they do not mess around. you can see the president was trying to stand up, raise his fist and they were completely preoccupied with the job of getting him off that stage and into the motor vehicle that took him away. shannon: exactly were getting reaction we know president biden has been briefed we are seeing statements from a number of people across the political spectrum for we have one now from governor kathy hochul out of new york a democrat clearly she says any violence against a fellow american is disgusting and unacceptable we must express

political disagreements peacefully, civilly and respectfully and praying for the safety and help the former president trump and all those who are attending this event in pennsylvania. we talked about does this actually take the temperature down because people realize how overheated things have gotten? >> it is certainly something to hope for, shannon we are in the heat of an intensely competitive presidential campaign. in which we have learned things we hoped we would never find out about our current president we've now seen the attempt on the life of our past president and possible future president. these are certainly perilous times in our nations history. these videos the pictures we see now in the president's face covered in part with blood going to liv live with this for long . >> certainly are overhearing also from the top democrat on the house aside hakeem jeffries and my thoughts and prayers are with former president trump. i am thankful for the decisive law enforcement response.

america's democracy put up a violence of any kind is never acceptable interim former fbi special agent nicole parker. nicole got a chance to see this as it plays out. jump into the line of fire your reaction to what you see in what we know so far. >> first of all my respect was out to the united states secret service they are the heroes today. secret service that is their job to put their lives on the line you see them how they rallied from president trump immediate in the aftermath they were willing to take a bullet for him. that is what secret service agents do. we happen to have an attempted assassination of a prez in a very long time i hate to from the arrangement under is real, people hate this man and they will do anything to d