government dangled in front of a defendant. menendez attorney said it would be a win for this country if acquitted. he said this case ends here. indeed the case ended, thein with was on behalf of the prosecution. >> harris: gold bars found in your wife's closet and you throw her under the bus. eric did say they delayed her case because of her advance stage breast cancer, very sad. in this case, we're up to 12 of 16 and it is growing. we want to thank everybody for watching, we're on this and i know they'll pick this up next hour and then there will be talk about what happens politically with the seat of bob menendez senior senator from new jersey. thanks for watching "outnumbered."

>> sandra: fox news alert the verdict has been reached senator bob menendez has been found guilty on multiple counts we are still getting the details at this hour hello, welcome i am sandra smith john to be good do stomach, good to be with you. >> john: i'm john roberts in washington this is "america reports." i mics not on. speed to get your mic on. >> john: it's right here on the chair beside me. i'm john roberts in washington this is "america reports" if you didn't hear me the first time. eric shawn is live outside the courthouse. seeming on all of these counts guilty they've agreed on all of it. >> john, guilty on all counts 18 counts of bribery, extortion, obstruction of justice, wire fraud conspiracy for honest theft of services, robert menendez a new jersey democratic

power senior senator from the garden state former chairman of the relations committee a jury hear moments ago deciding that yes, he did sell his office. he sold the power of the senate that he had in washington, d.c., for $480,000 in cash bribes as well as 13 gold bars found in his wife's closet, a mercedes-benz, and other lavish and expensive gifts including dinners and jewelry and clothes in order to sell his office and make money corrupting his oath of office against the united states of america. the jury found he acted as a foreign agent of egypt as well as cutter as the chairman of the foreign relations committee interfering in u.s. foreign policy for his own personal benefit. it is one of the most stunning and devastating corruption cases that we have seen here in new york city and any recent time. a u.s. senator told stomach totally convicted on all

accounts he faced 16, sterk codefendants trickle businessmen he also the jury now says illegally helped also convicted. one of those businessmen obtained a license to sell whole all exports to egypt. that corrupt according to the jury by menendez. of course a lot has been made about those gold bars earning the nickname "gold bar bob" as the defense try to explain while it was really his wife's glow dull my gold bars and not his because they were found in his wife's closet locked away and legally it's her house, not his house. he also claimed the $480,000 could be explained because in their words it was a "cuban thing." the senator's family fled from cuba when fidel castro took over and his sister testified that they kept cash and the grandfather clock in their house because the police would come in and read their home. the only problem with that his mr. menendez was not born in cuba. he was born here in

new york city, so the jury obviously saw through that as a live. in addition to the defense trying to show he did not take any bribes or any payoffs and what he was allegedly doing was for his constituents, the two businessmen, but the jury obviously disagreeing with that and siding with the united states government in this devastating conviction and prosecution of a very powerful democratic politician. menendez is running for reelection as an independent. he did not as a democrat. democratic congressman and he can now running for election on the democratic line. menendez will face 20 years-200 years in prison if he is sentenced consecutively and not concurrently. obviously the thought would be he would be sentenced concurrently so he could face 20 years in federal prison as far as his wife, nadine menendez, her trial has been postponed indefinitely because she was charged, she is suffering from

breast cancer. there was some thought the senator perhaps was emboldened after his acquittal in the last case in 2017, the corruption case the federal case very similar to this one, in which he was acquitted in a hung jury. according to prosecutors this corrupt and illegal scheme started months after that when he was dealing with the two new jersey businessmen who are constituents allegedly interfering with united states foreign policy on their behalf. also allegedly giving insider information to the egyptian government dealing with the egyptian intelligence services and giving them information they perhaps should not of had. the defense tried to say no, this was all above board, he was just trying to help, but john, really, a devastating sweep, total victory by the justice department, guilty on all 16 counts. 18 counts complete that robert menendez did, said this tray, sell his office for cash and gold. so today gold bar bob is a

moniker that sticks. john, back to you. >> john: sandra is with me. >> sandra: i will jump in here and we will get chad pilgrim, kerri kupec will give us the legal analysis following this. any reaction from menendez himself and his team? >> we are waiting for the updates from -- give me a second because we have our producers upstairs in the courtroom. i'm seeing if there is any reaction, jeremy and ending on reaction the senator? >> nothing at. >> nothing yet. we expect them potentially to come down here and talk and his lawyers to talk in a press conference or a statement. the clerk right now is reading back the verdict. this really was a very involved trial and very involved the verdict sheet. here is the verdict sheet in which the jurors had to sort through not just various charges to menendez but the alleged involvement now convicted of

those two businessmen. and their involvement in the scheme. the fbi doing and using job, they even fail menendez and his wife at a restaurant overhearing what they were talking about when they were meeting with some of the coconspirators when dealing with this. of course when they executed the search warrant in his home they found $480,000 in cash even stuffed in his official -- his official jacket as far as those gold bars are concerned the defense tried to say well, they were actually his families go bars, mrs. menendez's gold bars but the problem with that is the serial numbers on some of those gold bars trace back to one of the businessmen here showing it was the businessman who bought those gold bars that were stashed in a safe locked and mrs. menendez's closet. bob menendez will go down in history is yet another corrupt new jersey politician. likely potentially could be expelled from the u.s. senate

and forfeit his office in this multiple felony conviction including not only a conspiracy but obstruction of justice which he allegedly tried to interfere in an investigation of one of the codefendants all for cash and gold bars. >> sandra: that brings up a lot of questions over his future. menendez convicted on all 16 counts as he faced in this corruption trial. eric is outside the courthouse where this all just went down, eric, thank you we will check back in soon. john? >> john: think you look at a senior congressional correspondent chad program with more. some aspects of this, this was a very, very powerful senator who sat on some very powerful committees who also filed for an independent run in june saying i am hopeful that my exoneration will take place this summer and allow me to pursue my candidacy as an independent democrat in the general election. democrats were concerned he would be a spoiler in a race that would automatically go to a democrat, but if he is not

exonerated, if he is charged and thrown in jail i assume he will be running. >> first of all we have to see what they decide to do. will they appeal this? that could drag it out a while here and keep in mind that chuck schumer the democratic leader in the senate, i asked him on multiple occasions for five occasions if he should push to expel bob menendez after they expelled george santos and the house of representatives and each time chuck schumer ducked the question. he said there are standards of conduct in the united states senate and senator menendez has fallen below that. now what would it take to expel a senator? they have not done that in the united states senate since the 19th century. there've only been 15 senators ever expelled. they came close to expelling bob packwood, their public and senator from oregon, back in the mid-1990s but he stepped aside after there were sexual harassment allegations buried you had harrison williams a democratic senator from new jersey who was going to be expelled. he was convicted as part of the ab scam scandal in the 1980s and he resigned spent two years in jail. the most recent senator to have

been convicted, that was the late ted stevens in 2008-2009 and his conviction was thrown out. so there is not a lot of love for bob menendez in the united states senate right now. when the senate comes back next week, there's probably going to be a push if it's not obvious he is going to resign possibly to expel him under the constitution, it takes a two-thirds vote to expel, john. >> sandra: chad pergram, thank you for jumping on with us. we may need you again so stay close. jonathan turley is joining us now by phone. jonathan, your reaction to senator menendez being sentenced? we learned the sentencing will be october 29th. jump on in here, your reaction your thoughts? >> well, in washington, this is a momentous event because u.s. senators are treated as virtually untouchable. they hold considerable power in

a it wow menendez who has chaired powerful committees and he has often been viewed as something of a teflon colt, he had a very strong case against him earlier and was not convicted. i think maybe he wasn't confident but he was certainly hopeful that he could repeat that this time. the problem is that this was really old school corruption. the interesting thing is that menendez has always been viewed as a corrupt figure in washington. his democratic colleagues knew that, you know, he was someone with a reputation of going around washington being rather open. he was willing to consider all offers, you know? short of carrying around a credit card machine on his belt. and ipso facto he was a very powerful figure. he controlled a committee that had its hands on a lot of money in terms of foreign aid.

and he exercised that power brilliantly for his own advantage. but the problem here is that you can't escape the image of gold bars and cash stuffed in your drawers in your pajamas saying this is just a "human thing?" it was never going to go over very well. it's obviously a collection thing. could not get beyond that. >> john: it's difficult to explain wads of cash and gold bars in your pajamas and in your closet. so he is going to be sentenced october 29th. that is about seven days before the election. he has said he wants to stand as an independent for reelection, which could prove to be a spoiler in the democratic race. i assume he won't be put in jail before the 5th of november. could he potentially still run, jonathan? >> it's possible. everything is possible in a

rather curious world of senator menendez. he is someone who does not give up the goat. i think he is also someone who views his position in new jersey as holding political sway over his democratic colleagues. he is someone who basically is a margin player, he looks for ways to get a better deal. he may even think that by threatening the democratic control of the senate as a running as a spoiler the biden administration may seek to reach a more accommodating deal. he is looking at 222 years on these charges. that is a maximum of 20 years each so he won't look at anything like that in reality. these are charges that will run concurrently, but he is looking at a very significant amount of time. and at his age, that could very well be a death sentence. you know, people age faster in prison. so it's a lengthy sentence for

senator menendez that could very well be a terminal sentence. so i think he is going to try to see what deals he may still be able to eke out but he doesn't have much to bargain with. he didn't plead guilty -- go there is an aggregator and sentencing for someone who betrays a public office. an office of trust. so even though he is a first offender, he is elderly. there are things here that will work to his advantage on sentencing. the biggest problem is he'd betrayed his office, he betrayed the public and he did not plead guilty. so, the sentencing guidelines are going to hit him pretty hard, you know? it is one of those situations where the judge looks and says may god have mercy on your soul because i will have none. there is not a lot of wiggle room here in the sentencing guidelines. >> sandra: he will be 71 years

old this coming january, menendez. and looking at the words of menendez's at defense attorney and closing statements adam said "prosecutors have not come close to meeting their burden to show you that any of the gold or cash was given to senator menendez as a bride. the absence of evidence should be held against the prosecution. he added "the evidence is overwhelmingly clear that this evidence is shaky and run to its core." i guess we will perhaps be hearing from his defense attorney how that did not work for him we see the microphone outside the courthouse, jonathan. >> and i'm a criminal defense attorney and have been my whole career. and you can get over a great deal of obstacles in a courtroom. particularly if your client is credible to the jury. the hardest thing to get over our pictures or eyewitnesses. but particularly images. you know?

gold bars tend to concentrate the mind of jurors. up when they see all of this money stuffed away and these gold bars, this idea you can portray this as a cultural clerk was never going to work very easily with a jewelry and obviously it collapsed in spectacular fashion. they swept the table on the counts. >> sandra: all right, jonathan turley with the latest analysis on this. let's turn to carry urban fox news legal editor. tremendous experience at the department of justice and advisor to former attorney general bill barr, this is pretty extraordinary. sitting on the banking and finance committees has been found guilty on all of these counts and jonathan turley just pointed out is facing more then cumulatively 200 years in jail. >> it is quite something i think ordinarily this would be huge, huge news but given every thing else i don't think it will get the attention normally does.

but to your point, ace powerful center like bob menendez has been found guilty of acting as an agent of a foreign nation, accepting bribes, which affected u.s. foreign policy and all of the light, it is stunning, really. and i think the professor was just talking about this but i remember looking at the filings initially in this case and i saw how sdny had the photos of those gold bars and i thought oh, it's open. picture is worth a thousand words and we all know, common sense tells us people don't store these kinds of things in their homes, it's a problem, obviously. this is not the first time they tried to go after him. the first time resulted in a mistrial and if anyone knows anything about the southern district of new york, they don't take those things lightly. my suspicion has been they were determined to get this guy and they've been working on this case for years and brought a very strong case, the evidence was overwhelming. not one of his family members testified on his behalf, which is a bad sign. here we are.

>> sandra: just looking for some more details coming out of the courtroom. the prosecution is asking for home incarceration for hana, the man accused of bribing. they say he's been compliant on blonde and will keep at home detention a rough read on weekends is home incarceration with the exceptions for obligations on gps monitoring, judgment is due august 19 so i guess this is all part of the what is next for senator bob menendez, kerri. >> is obvious to going to appeal but i thought was interesting they brought in a senior staffer as a government witness as part of this trial. and a lot of these staffers, we all know them, they are friends of ours. when this woman talked about how oddly the senator was behaving

with respect to the trips to europe, i'm sorry, egypt and the things around it and she was quoted as saying it was very weird and i just know having worked at the department of justice, even the most basic of things like trip planning, you know when something is not normal and not right. the fact that i thought it was very smart the prosecutors brought someone in like her to say he was not acting consistently with how these trips are normally planned, we thought he was going easy on egypt with human rights abuses, we were all noticing the millions of dollars of aid that was being routed and directed to them. so you put all of these things together in addition to the pictures of the monogrammed jacket and the gold bars all the things found in his house and you know, i thought he was some from the beginning, personally. >> sandra: senator schumer has just issued a press release calling on menendez to resign saying in light of this guilty verdict senator menendez must now do what is right for his constituents and resign. i mean he doesn't have to resign, he could stay there, as you said he plans to appeal, but

the pills are usually based on errors either in evidence or in process. have you seen any glaring errors in this? >> i don't yet but of course he is entitled to an appeals process, that is the beauty of our justice system and of course, he is going to because i mean, if he doesn't come he is facing a lot of prison time. there will be all kinds of issues involving evidence, they testified saying there's all kinds of issues related to what his wife knew versus what he knew. so they can find something, criminal defense attorney can find something so he will be do i think you'll be successful in a pill? i, no. >> sandra: carrie, if you could standby with us on breaking news reminder we do have our shot up outside of the manhattan federal court in new york city. microphones are set up, we can hear from either team as they depart the court possibly, we could get word from menendez himself. whether or not he intends to resign that's the question, right chad pergram? rejoining live from washington, chad, that's the question, will

he resign? >> yes, there will start to be a lot of pressure on him to do so. that there was a caucus meeting, very secret democratic closed caucus meeting some months ago and it was very interesting that some of these democrats, many of the democrats who left that meeting thought menendez might come in and say he was sorry, say give me a couple of months i will resign then, that never happened. i was struck by the fact that so many democrats after that meeting, as bob menendez tried to plead his case to his fellow democrats, his political case at that stage, they were very disappointed with him. you know, i talked to cory booker, the democratic senator from new jersey just a couple of days in washington before the trial started back in may. and i said will you be paying close attention to the trial? and he said no i haven't really spoken to senator menendez about it. i will pay attention to what the verdict is but not day-to-day. keep in mind when bob menendez was on trial about seven or eight years ago that cory booker was there at the opening of the trial. set in the front row, appeared as a character witness.

lindsey graham, the republican senator from south carolina, also appeared as a character witness on behalf of senator menendez. that was not the case at this stage. they wanted to cut them loose. this is where i go back to the five or six times where i pressed senator schumer whether or not if you feel so strongly about the conduct of the alleged conduct at that stage of senator menendez, why don't you go to push them out? and the reason here, jon sanders, is that you know, people in the senate, members of the senate, they stand around their own. they really do. batten down the hatches and everyone they kind of think the same thing but they are afraid to say something. now that the dam has broken you will have a lot of people saying if you don't go we will try to push you out and i point out the historical significance of that that nobody has been expelled from the senate since the 19th century. really around the time of the civil war and they've only done that 15 times, guys. >> john: so what exactly is menendez's status? because he filed in june to run

as an independent but he didn't claim full independent status at present, correct? so still extensively is a democrat? so shermer could lean on him, right? >> the first thing they could probably do is kick them out of democratic caucus at the first thing they would do which is easy to do. there would be easy both for that it takes to slash three 2/3 votes. member joe lieberman continued to caucus after he became what he termed an independent democrat but you have to register with the senate how you identify in that sense. so that would be the first thing they would do. and again, this will be a very interesting development in that senate race if he continues to try to run and we probably see a lot of attrition for the support there but is it just enough attrition for the congressman from new jersey andy kim who is running? whether or not there's enough support for the republican candidate there and whether there is support for bob menendez and again looking at a 51/49 senate right there,

that was not a senate seat that was supposed to be in play, and that could really change things for some magical reason the democrats were to hold onto west virginia which people don't think is going to happen here, but if they are able to win back in ohio and montana and if it were to come down to nerve jersey of all things, that's a big problem for the democrats. >> sandra: getting the reaction pouring in as you imagine we will get this news conference a few minutes from now so we will stay with this. in addition to the majority leader chuck schumer calling on menendez to resign, you now have what is a tally as of october of 2023, these were those calling for resignation preverdict at least 31 of senator menendez 'skull exempt senate democratic caucus had called on him to resign. obviously the anticipation that floodgate could open now in the week of the verdict. but also this just in andy kim, the democrat from new jersey who

won the dem nomination for sender menendez's seat, he just posted this statement to x after the guilty verdict "this is a sad and somber day for new jersey and our country. are public servants should work for the people and today we saw the people judge senator menendez as guilty and unfit to serve" he is calling on senator menendez to step down in the wake of these charges, chad. >> yes, that is going to be important and i think most democrats are certainly going to call upon him to do so. and the reason you had some people kind of holding back or wanting to hold her tongue there, this is why i say the george santos expulsion in the house of representatives a different body here why that was so significant is that george santos had not been and still has not been convicted of anything. so people were kind of unwilling to cross that redline until they had a conviction. that was what was so significant with santos because they kicked him out without him being convicted of a crime. so we raise that question with a

lot of senators. and again, is that pressure going to be enough to get them to step down? we certainly saw that with bob paquin who i mentioned back in the mid-1990s who just had a slew of sexual harassment allegations against him. there was a long process with the ethics committee and it was clear when on a couple of years they would eventually kick him out. this is where i cite ironically new jersey harrison williams the late senator there who went to jail in the ab scam scandal where he was going to be kicked out too and saw the writing on the wall and design which is why you need to go back to the mi mid-19th century to find a senator that is expelled from the body it takes 2/3 to do so. >> john: we will bring back in kerri urban we don't know if menendez will stand for reelection. he said he hoped that he was going to be exonerated and run as an independent. the fact he has not been exonerated may be changes those plans because as you pointed o out, if he launches an appeal which will probably take a long

time to go through the courts, his sentencing on october 29th may get pushed back. he may get the chance to run them of the latest polls kim leads bash the republican by seven points. you know you throw menendez into that race as an independent and it may upset the apple cart. as chad pointed out, it is likely that jim justice is going to win the senate seat in west virginia. it's 51/49 right now, democrats are defending it a lot more senate races the republicans are. this could factor into the election. >> it could and i thought chad made a very good point i want to underscore, you have to take a look at who did not testify at this time around on his behalf. chad mention cory booker, lindsey graham who had been there for him as character witnesses in the last corruption trial yet they were nowhere to be found this time which i think, you know, probably supports the possibility of expulsion potentially of course chad would know more about that than i would. i think on appeal, john, i think

what his defense attorney is likely to say is there was not enough direct evidence menendez exempted bribes in exchange stomach exchange for policy change because they will say well -- >> john: these gold bars and thousands of dollars showed up. >> and these were already approved by another president or congress but where that is i think misleading and of course a defense attorney being savvy is that these things can be true at the same time. while menendez chaired a very, very powerful committee. and there are ways to get this done. meaning he could know what the president was going to approve or where the committee or his fellow members were headed. and then also at the same time be lining his pockets, working with people so he could say look, this was gonna happen anyway, so but to your point, most people don't have gold bars stashed across their home. >> john: 2 minutes until the

press conference. >> sandra: we will go there as soon as it begins and just a reminder menendez's wife nadine has also been charged but she is recovering from breast cancer surgery so you go back to some of the details, what we heard just this week alone from menendez, he was expressing hope as late as monday as he left the courthouse that the jury was carefully reviewing the evidence in its deliberations. and two separate notes comic kerri, there were notes about the charges including one instance of the unanimity was required to acquit on a single count. he then said it is obvious the government's case is not a simple as they made it to be. he repeated himself it is not a simple as they made it to become of the jury's finding that out. perhaps that gives you a clue as to where they will go with the appeal. >> yes, this is an issue right now percolating in the courts. something donald trump himself faced in the business records case in new york. this idea that normally a jury has to be unanimous on each

count. we did not see that in donald trump's case, which was deeply alarming to people sitting in that courthouse and get that principle that a jury must be unanimous on each count on each charge was recently reaffirmed. at the supreme court. andy mccarthy has been talking a lot about this lately. so i could see them raising that if there was any question as to whether that happen here in bob menendez's case, yes they could potentially raise that on appeal and again, he is entitled to an appeal but again, i think the evidence is overwhelming and i don't really think he has a shot. >> john: back in the clinical realm congressman any kim democrat of new jersey the nominee for the senate seat that menendez will be vacating potentially says the following really quick this is a sad and somber day for new jersey and our country. are public servants should work with people and today was how the people judged senator menendez as guilty and unfit to serve. i believe the only course of

action is for him to resign his seat immediately area the people of new jersey deserve better." there is any kim saying i know you are running as an independent but don't just get out of the race, get out of the senate right now. >> you know, more than anything else when you're in a position of power like that as bob menendez was, it's not just not doing the thing itself, you are supposed to avoid all appearances of impropriety. with that kind opower comes great responsibility. so their ethical rules are at play, of course the laws at play, so the fact he continued according to these prosecutors when he was convicted of do this for years and years and years, it concerns me and johnny were getting at this earlier with the state of things in washington. and i guess it is a tale as as time. where i think at a certain point when people have been in politics forever they think they are impervious to consequent is and they just continue to act in a way thinking they are not going to get caught but yet, typically, they do at some point. >> sandra: let's listen then.

>> good afternoon my name is damien williams and on the district attorney in the southern district of new york. moments of ago a jury convicted senator roberts menendez. this case has always been about shocking levels of corruption. hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes in the form of cash, gold bars, a mercedes-benz. this was not politics as usual, this was politics for profit. and now that a jury has convicted bob menendez, his years of selling his office to the highest bidder have finally come to an end. i want to thank the crew prosecutors and law enforcement agents and analysts who meticulously investigated and prosecuted this case. their work is the reason why this shocking corruption is finally unearthed and brought to an end. they are the best of the best. i am enormously proud of them and proud to serve with them. thank you. >> do you seek the maximum sentence served?

>> good afternoon. i'm christy curtis the acting assistant director of the fbi's new york field office. today is a day of victory and victory for justice. public corruption investigations like this hold our leaders accountable and ensure they serve the public interest -- they are sure they serve the public interest and not their own. this conviction comes after careful investigation and hard work by the fbi, irs, and the u.s. attorney's office. the fbi's pursuit of truth and integrity was instrumental in securing this conviction. when an elected official betrays the trust placed in them it undermines the foundation of our democracy. thank you. >> my name is manuel gomez and i am with irs ci criminal investigations. special agent in charge of the new york field office. thank you and good afternoon. think it to u.s. attorney damien

williams for hosting yesterday. is a great commitment and collaboration between the irs criminal investigations, the f fbi, sd ny that today's verdict was possible. i would like to recognize the work of the fbi public corruption squad, the public corruption unit, trial attorneys and paralegals for the tremendous effort in presenting this case and the tax attorneys. i want to specifically recognize the irs ci i special agents that worked in ten with fbi special agents. today a pacifist verdict is a reflection of all the hard work. job well done. >> thank you, everyone. >> mr. williams will you seek the maximum? >> sandra: all right. as that was happening, we were also getting more reaction, governor murphy of new jersey has also weighed in on the guilty verdict of the trial of senator bob menendez saying "the

verdict finds him guilty on 16 counts, democrat dominic mistreats the senator broke the law, violated the trust of his constituents, betrayed his oath of office, it also shows in america everyone no matter how powerful is accountable to our laws" john, the reaction continues to pour in. we will see you still there was no word yet on whether or not he will resign. >> john: phil murphy goes on to say i reiterate my call for senator murphy to resign immediately after being found guilty of endangering national security in the integrity of our criminal justice system. if he refuses to vacate his office i call on the u.s. senate to vote to expel him in the event of a vacancy i will exercise my duty to make a temporary appointment to ensure the people of new jersey have the representation they deserve. "that makes you wonder who we he would appoint which is any kim the democrat running for office which would give him a real leg up in november, or would he choose a more neutral ground and appoint somebody else to fill

the seat until the november election and then into january? >> sandra: let's bring in patrick murphy, john, former u.s. undersecretary of the army you have a very unique perspective also as a new jersey homeowner, give us your perspective, your thoughts as this guilty verdict is just in? >> listen this is what is great about america of the rule of law that not even the chairman of the foreign committee in the u.s. senate is above the law. i appreciate the sense of justice as a former prosecutor in southern new york where he was convicted i think it's a great thing for american justice. so i do think it is an indictment that too many people get power that want money in washington, d.c., and elsewhere. luckily we have laws in place that we are a nation of laws and not of men. >> john: apparently we will hear from menendez in just a few minutes now that we have heard from the sd ny. we should say, patrick, not only are you a resident of new jersey

and a constituent of senator bob menendez but special assistant prosecutor in the office of the u.s. attorney and the southern district of new york. when you take a look at this case, kerri kupec was saying obviously menendez is going to launch an appeal and file an appeal but on what grounds do you think he would appeal? did you see any obvious errors either in the collection of a presentation of evidence and witnesses or mistakes by the judge? >> i didn't. what they are referring to is the supreme court on official acts and what denotes bribery et cetera. but to me it could not be more clear this was an abuse of the office that he held. that he breached the special trust and confidence that the american taxpayers put to him. when you have gold bars, we have a mercedes-benz, when you have this and that, it adds up. they were meticulous in their prosecution. i've been following it. i think the results today speak

for themselves. it was unanimous on all of the accounts. it does not matter in america if you are democrat or republican who was in power in washington, d.c., it matters if you do the right thing and you have the character and how you are when nobody is looking and clearly he did not have the character, sender menendez, when they were looking. i would like to add this is the third time they went after him. they investigated him in 2006, it didn't go to trial, that a second trial that obviously was a hung jury, but this time they made sure there ts were crossed and a is were dotted. speech we should remind everyone that menendez did not testify at this trial right, patrick? when he did insist publicly as we heard from him many times that he was only doing his job as the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee. it will be very interesting as we are told we could be curing from him directly in the next couple of minutes to see what he has to say. >> i know when that happens i will pop out of your screen but i would say two things one i really believe there have been

young leaders like people like john fetterman have called for his resignation from the jump because, again, i get it. and army saying loyalty above all else except on her and you want to be loyal to people in your party et cetera but not when you are dishonoring the constitution. not when you are dishonoring to the justice system and that's what happened in this case. so i live in pennsylvania, i have a jersey shore house in new jersey, but senator fetterman out front they are i am glad to see folks like chuck schumer asking for his resignation. they can force his resignation governor murphy obviously no relation to patrick murphy but governor phil murphy can appoint his successor regardless i think in november or we will see the next senator from new jersey being andy kim next january. we will see if there is a temporary one or if they would appoint andy kim who is right now leading pretty drastically in the polls. >> john: how you mentioned the two investigations in one prosecution against him in the

past. i mean menendez had to think he was tough on but as anyone who owned a teflon pan nose at some point if you keep cooking the eggs the teflon starts to wear off and those eggs begin to stick. and in this case, damien williams, the u.s. attorney said we are dealing with shocking levels of corruption. this was politics for profit. >> yes. that is what is disheartening. i mean, when i was a freshman congressman i was 33 years old i had a colleague on my side of the aisle that had $90,000 in cash in his freezer. and, to me, i called for his resignation. >> john: that is what you call cold cash. >> those back at home, they can smell the b.s. where there is smoke there is fire. and this is not a one-off year. i think that is what is so disappointing that the great citizens of new jersey deserve better. and they are going to get better in a few months. i hope we don't wait until november or until january.

i hope chuck schumer and the leaders in the senate do the right thing. follow john fetterman's lead and begin his resignation. again, he doesn't have to be -- he does not have to resign but his colleagues in the senate could do the right thing, they can resign and make sure that we have someone truly represents the interest of the great people of new jersey. >> sandra: really interesting perspective there. if you can hang with us, patrick as we anticipate the possibility we could hear from menendez himself any moment now. we are told so we will keep that shot up, microphones are up and we will see if he speaks. paul mauro joining us on set retired nypd inspector and fox news contributor, jump on in here, paul i know you have thoughts on the guilty verdict. >> a couple of nuances here first off you see something you don't often see in financial cases which is the use of dna. prosecutors actually were so meticulous in putting this case together that they ran dna on one of the envelopes they discovered that contained cash. they were able to ascertain that

the dna came back to not only the senator but the person who they had alleged and who is not convicted or getting him that envelopes you have dna on a cash envelope so you add stuff like that to the gold bars, and these to sail the time when i was still working it's always the communications, right? when they started dumping the text messages and the phones they saw this cutesy kind of stuff going on between him and his wife and his wife and some of the other accused where they were using coded language for some of the things they were doing. and here is why that is so significant. menendez is not out of the woods on another aspect of this. there is an ongoing national security case on him relative to the fact that it looks like as part of what they were doing he may have been giving classified information from his role as the head of senate foreign intelligence to his wife which then went to an alleged agent of the egyptian government. she had this espionage aspect to

it as well that will be ongoing. and i think that it's another that shows he was in it up to his neck. they really wanted him this time. >> john: chad pergram just set out an email that says menendez had continued to receive classified foreign policy/intelligence briefings despite being accused of being a foreign agent for egypt. i mean, that's pretty incredible bullets listen to menendez coming out here to the microphone what sue has to say. >> good afternoon. obviously am deeply really disappointed by the jury about this decision. i have every faith that the law and the facts does not sustain that will be successful upon appeal. i'm never violated my public oath. i have never been anything but a patriot of my country and for my country. i have never ever been a foreign agent and the decision rendered by the jury today would put at

risk every member of the united states senate in terms of what they think a foreign agent would be. my attorney wants to say selling i will keep going. >> good afternoon. we were surprised and disappointed with the jury's verdict perry would disagree with it as we have day one involves innocence. there are apparent problems with this case and this verdict and we will pursue all appellate avenue's aggressively and we suspect he will be vindicated, thank you. >> john: there is bob menendez walking away. paul, mean the man does not lack through klotzbach. he is deeply disappointed, obviously he is he thought he was going to be exonerated. he says he'll be successful on appeal, he insists he never violated his oath, never acted

as a foreign agent, and then his attorney said there are grave problems, do you see any? >> no. i don't see, look his argument on appeal will be as your other guests elucidated. that these were official acts he was going to undertake any way. and a lot of this goes back to a case regarding bob mcdonald whose case was vacated by the supreme court by essentially saying they were ministerial acts that you were going to undertake anyway in public life so this was not a tit-for-tat. this is at a very, very different level. you got the 500,000 in cash, we have gold bars, and as i said you likely have some classified stuff that he might not even have made it into this trial that is really concerning. when you consider one of the nations that he is alleged to have intercede and on behalf of, cutter, is where in fact the hamas leadership resided, you start getting in all kinds of murky areas. you have to say to yourself how could he have continued to get

those kinds of briefings when this was underway? they should have prevailed. >> sandra: you heard us prior to hearing from menendez and now after he says he is deeply disappointed in the outcome, he has faced the law and facts do not sustain, talked about his appeal and insisted he has never been a foreign agent, he will be vindicated. a response to what you are there? >> as john was saying, the chutzpah in saying he is deeply disappointed and actually i had a flashback to a conversation at the dinner table when i was growing up my father worked at rikers island and he said to me i remember this distinctly one night he said kerri it's the funniest thing everything at rikers is innocent. it's a pretty common sentiment obviously people who are charged with these kinds of crimes but i want to point out we are not just talking about the influencing of foreign policy or the influencing of aid to egypt, but mom menendez also disrupted

a kernel case on behalf of egypt so he interfered in a state casa federal as well but not as policy and eight he was protecting the guys he was working with by trying to interfere on behalf of them in the u.s. criminals justice system which is a pretty big deal. be when you have to wonder what's the mind-set of a guy is patrick murphy was pointing out was investigated in the early to thousands an end got away with it? and then was tried in the mid-2010s and got exonerated because it was a hung jury. and besides he is allegedly well, the jury has returned to verdict, says he kept it up? what goes on in the mind of someone like that? >> i hate to say it but i think it's what i said earlier. welcome to washington. i think when people have been in politics for so long, or even we see with celebrities as well. they begin to think they are impervious to consequences.

they just act with arrogance and they continue to operate in a certain way thinking they won't get caught because they've gotten away with it for so long. as we see, typically something happens, sometimes it's a very silly mistake. here i think it was just doggedly pursuing this case because they probably took it personally that it had not gone their way. that's how sdn what y operates so it's why they wouldn't let ut i hate to say but i think it's pretty typical of people who have been in power for a long time. they think they can get away with. >> sandra: i hear a strong agreement from you, paul. >> absolutely when he ended up with a hungry last time i think they probably felt that they had him. some of the facts here are so compelling. for instance his egyptian connection got the contract to provide a whole all meat to egypt. the exclusive contract when the department of agriculture started to look at it as carrie said that's when he tried to intervene and said don't look at the sky, he has the deal and that's it. that deal is worth a fortune.

it expanded and expanded and it became something to the point where this guy who is a codefendant had the exclusive on all kinds of stuff that was being exported and imported to egypt. you have to say that has to be the tit-for-tat that was so brazen. that this guy is trying to lock up deliveries to an entire nation. at that point you have to say we have to take the sky out of here perspective of politics et cetera. >> john: let's bring our senior congressional correspondent chad pergram back in because chad, you just pointed out that email that said even during this whole trial when he uses guilt or innocence was being weighed as to whether or not he is a foreign agent he consented to receive classified briefings. >> yes, this was pretty extraordinary and a big headache for the democratic caucus on capitol hill. he gave up his gavel as the chairman of the senate foreign

relations committee. then card and marilyn took over there but he is still a senator still allowed to vote on the floor. he is still allowed to get into those classified briefings. that is something we post to senator schumer on multiple occasions. again, he gave us the same pat answer there are standards of conduct in the senate he did not believe his calling had lived up to that. and this is what was so incredible as they would have these classified briefings on iran, on the war in the middle east, on russia, on taiwan and china and there would be bob menendez down there. it was especially intriguing when they were down there talking about what was going on with the middle east because he had been accused of being a foreign agent on behalf of cutter and egypt. that was very significant. it seemed very seemly on capitol hill. there are a lot of senators, i think this is why i talked about that one very hush-hush democratic caucus meeting where democrats were just amazed. we've used this term several times this afternoon, a close vote where he claimed his innocence and the democratic caucus just resigned to saying okay, this guy is attached to us

we can't do anything about it, he has to be able to get classified briefings and vote on the floor. he is still a senator. unless something happens with the trial or he sees the light here, we are stuck with him. that's where they are very concerned about those political consequences in new jersey too. if he stays in this race and somehow screws this up, i covered one of the first races i have recovered was back in the early 1990s. it in fact involved john benard, his first race for congress and a congressman had gotten in trouble there. there was some question as to whether or not the third candidate, a guy by the name of buzz luken's was going to wait down that race so you never know until you get people to the polls, john. that is a big concern for democrats especially if new jersey winds up being at play here and they are unable to kick him out the door but i do think there would be the votes to expel him. again, we haven't done that in the senate in an awful long time. they have to dust off the history books there. it takes a terkel/3 vote of casting ballots that day.

>> john: chad pergram with the latest from capitol hill think it. >> sandra: yes jonathan turley is back with us now on the phone, jonathan, put a button on this for now at least. what you just heard from menendez himself. where you expect things to go from here? >> the most striking line was one menendez said my conviction puts everyone in the senate at risk. he certainly does not have a monopoly on corruption in washington. but his form of corruption is viewed as virtually prehistoric. i mean, the idea of getting envelopes filled with cash and cars is very capone era corruption stuff. i mean, in some ways people have contempt just as a lack of sophistication. that is not how corruption works anymore. the more sophisticated corruption is influence peddling like we have seen in the hunter biden case where you have

all of these rather curious or dubious positions with millions of dollars being passed through accounts. this is really something that washington has long ago turned its back on. but the thing about menendez that is also striking are all of these senators suggesting they just discovered that bob menendez just might be corrupt. you know, this is someone who has been notorious for decades as an alleged corrupt figure. and yet he was continually given the means to maximize the influx of money. he was given the chairmanship of the foreign relations committee. by the way, one of the dangerous aspects of that is you are dealing with countries where corruption is rampant so you are dealing with people who expect to be good to touch on for

money, who expect to have to give gifts, but if you take a look at the earlier criminal case that menendez was able to effectively beat, it has the same pattern. this is not 2015 where he was accused of $60,000 and a private flight, million dollars going to his campaign in exchange for gifts. after he dodged that bullet according to the department of justice he turned around and didn't again. now my last point is i was the last lead counsel the last impeachment trial in the senate floor and impeached judge. and believe it or not, menendez was on my jury. he was one of the hundred people who was voting on my client as to whether he would be impeached as a judge. and i remember looking around that room and looking at menendez as well as a couple of others and saying these people would normally be struck for cause in a normal courtroom. i mean, you had people either

under indictment or expected to be indicted. it was like having a pirates of penzance in the jury box for your client. >> john: jonathan we are 45 seconds left but i want to ask you the same question i asked kerri and get your take. menendez was investigating the early 2,000 the 2010s he went to trial there was a mistrial he finally gets convicted i mean clearly the behavior didn't change for 20 years. how does that happen? >> i think it just happens because the u.s. senate is like mount olympus in washington. these people really do feel they are untouchable. and particularly when it comes to these different forms of corruption, and in some ways where most people would after dodging these earlier indictments would go on the straight and narrow and say, you know, but for the grace of god, it seemed to embolden menendez he seemed to feel he was as if

he would never be convicted. >> sandra: just setting some color when they were reading the verdict menendez was staring down each juror, lots more color coming in. jonathan come appreciate you staying with us. paul morrow as well, kerri kupec, appreciate the team. for the covering the breaking news we have a whole lot more coming up. john, apparently members and how severance of risk to micro preventatives are getting very, very anxious and antsy about not hearing more from dhs and secret service about the attempted assassination of former president donald trump. we are learning new details and an approach they are going to take now to promise more information. we will have that at the top of the new hour. we will be right back. why not do what thousands of veteran families have done. call newday and pay off that high rate debt with the lower rate newday 100 va cash out loan. it lets you pay off your credit cards and car loans with one easy monthly payment.

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