they had a romantic sexual relationship and the bosses were like they didn't care and let them keep doing their show. it doesn't usually happen, so i think they can do and say whatever they want. next time i'll quit, nobody quits tv, they're not quitting tv, that's an empty threat. >> what are those two going to do? >> rumble. >> i don't know. >> podcast on rumble. they're not going to do that, they're not going to do that. >> you say rumble like it's a bad thing. >> a lot of people are very successful on rumble, but i don't think that's what they're going to do. >> here is a scenario. >> do i have to wait to be called on. >> i want you to jump on in, just like fox and friend, when you interrupt everybody [ laughter ]. >> now if you had cable in your house, then watched us once in a while i would take that personally, but i know you don't watch the show and you don't know how brilliant i am in the morning, you have no idea. here is a scenario, you work at fox, and you get told to stay

home on monday, and then tuesday, you're allowed to come back to work, and then you say, if you ever do that again management, i'm going to quit, you know, what they would say. goodbye. >> greg: exactly. >> why would you ever think you're bigger than the channel. the only thing you can learn over the last few years, there's no one bigger than the outlet you're on, especially this one in particular, and to sit there and say, you have a problem, and air it out, on your television show, when it's not your network, it's their decision, work it out behind the scenes, whatever happens, nobody is on your side. and you can go do a podcast in the middle of nowhere, and does she ever get to talk? >> greg: no. >> she never gets to talk. it's joe talking and her nodding. what is this, 1950? is this happy days? >> greg: i don't know. it's -- joe, i don't think it's possible for them -- by the way, there is nothing better than an

ultimatum, when somebody does say to you, if you don't do this, i'm leaving. you might not be aware that people want you to leave and you just gave it to them. i had a guy that worked for me, when i worked in magazines, who said why don't you just fire me, and i fired him. that was really enjoyable, and joe don't take that personally, but can you meet with me after the show, just -- >> right. >> greg, i'm going to switch the subject here, greg, my favourite part of this story was that nsnbc thought they can pull a fast one on joe scarborough. why would anyone think that, after joe biden just made him think that he was see nile. >> or not senile. man, that's why nobody laughed [ laughter ] >> normally we would fix that in post. we're live, joe, that joke just

went whoa. you know what, that was a joke version of an iranian helicopter. >> i'll see you after the show, greg [ laughter ] >> i think what you're saying, though, is a long drawn out obsession with trump, showing you how it can worm its way into everything you do, if you're a never trumper, it can destroy your marriage, it can destroy your job. all of this is about that. their bosses told them that they couldn't trust them to do the show, because they're too close to the show. >> and the thing is, brian, i think you're right, especially here, if you or i went on and were like, look in the camera, you're gone, you're out on your rear end. >> everyone is replaceable. >> that's not true, a lot of lefty outlets, for the last couple year, it's the thing to do for journalists to attack their bosses. >> chuck todd decided to blow up his network, nbc, because they

hired rona mcdaniel. >> on the air. >> cnn people did it, the new york times people did t all the hotness over there. >> they're chasing the clicks on social media, but realize that doesn't pay the bills, they come home and their family is going, what the hell are you doing, and why did i marry chuck todd: coming up, the assassination equip that ended jack black's trip [ applause ] here in america, anti-semitism is at an all time high. we must stand with israel like never before and show the jewish people that they are not alone. join christians united for israel for our washington dc summit july 28th thru 30th. now is the time to act. let washington know you stand with israel and her people. go to cufi.org for more information.

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[ ♪♪ ] >> a story in five words [ ♪♪ ] [ applause ] >> see you later. jack black cancels ten in addition tour. here is why tenacious tour. here is why. ♪ happy birthday to you ♪ >> make a list! >> don't miss trump next time. >> tenacious d is jack black's band, this caused an amazing

uproar. gas apologizes that jack black cancels the rest of their european tour, why do you think he did that? do you think it was right to do that? >> no, i think obviously the comment was horrible. right after this happens. really bad thing to say. he did apologize. he admitted that. he's been dropped by his talent agency. what should he do? kill himself at this point. and jack black, that's your buddy. that's like your best friend and i feel like to completely toss it away, i'm just not for cancel culture. i don't care what side or what the issue is, if someone makes a joke, no matter how bad it is, if they apologize, i don't think that person should never no longer be welcome in polite society again. >> brian, you do so much tv, four hours a day, and i wish for you to do something like this,

so we could get you out of this building. but i don't know how you're not cancelled yet, i think it's because nobody listens to you. it just comes out of your mouth, non-stop... here is the real story behind this. it wasn't that jack black cancelled the tour because what his band mate said was awful, it was the insurance policies at the other venues wouldn't cover a mass casualty event, and that's what they were scared. >> i did know it went that far. i thought he did do something like i got to run away from this, johnny depp did something similar, when is the last time an actor killed a president, he got nothing. maybe because he's screwed up his life to such a degree, how do we cancel a guy doing everything possible to cancel himself. these people, on some level, he was saying exactly what everyone thought, but cat, the more you

talk, the more you make sense, because the guy made a mistake, he apologized. if he doubled and tripled down on it, you got to make a decision. you screwed up and doubling down. he apologized, if we have to live by a standard, to play a perfect game, even greg, with all his brilliance and bodybuilding, and all that stuff, even you would have a problem. >> yeah. you're right. >> did i just destroy the show? >> yes. >> i think black is pretending he cancelled the tour for one reason, when it's really about the insurance, but he did kind of just basically cut his best friend out of the picture. >> i'm not defending the joke at all, greg, but you will never see me throw my friend under the bus, i will never throw comedian

jodie veto under the bus for all the offensive jokes he's made in the past about pretty much every group in the world. including taylor swift fans, follow him @joe divido. >> taylorswift,myex.itwasasinint hisseemsmorelikeafinancialdecisi on not a moral one. >> did you call taylor swift your ex? >> yeah, i don't like to make a big deal about her and i dating, because it didn't end well. >> if would be funny if she hit with you a cease and desist. >> she would so do that, because she still thinks about me. >> did she write her new long boring album about you. >> yes. >> i used to tell her to lighten up on it, i think she's in a bad place now with this baseball player. >> sports. >> who insists on playing football. >> here is what is messed up

about this story. the guy from ten in addition d had more serious immediate consequences for a bad joke than the leader of the secret service has for leading an agency that almost got donald trump killed. >> right. >> there seems to be something a little off here. you know why, that stage was not slanted. >> sloped. >> that's going to drive me crazy this landed pitched roof thing. >> it was a slight slant, if i was jogging and i saw that incline, i would not stop and turn around. >> the funniest part is if you were jogging [ laughter ] >> you wouldn't jog if you were in a house on fire. that's unfair, and i apologize. >> why do you apologize to him?

you would not apologize for me for 55 minutes. >> because i want you to go to bed thinking about that. >> or ten years. >> this is getting ugly. >> live shows suck, all these people start ganging up on me, because they know they can, and i can't edit it out. up next, a washed up actor presumed he could mock trump's wound [ applause ] me if you want to be a champion you got to be a champion at life. i got to watch her play at her highest from when i was born. from one generation to the next, to the next, we don't stop. i always wanted to know why i'm the way i am. my curiosity led me to ancestry. it breaks down like everything genetically. what that means. that's amazing. — right. it all comes full circle. (♪)

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>> five more words [ ♪♪ ] >> greg: mark hamel mocks trump's bandage, you might recognize him from "star trek." criticized the ear bandage calling it ludicrously oversized and implying the bandage was unnecessary. is this a hill for mark hamil to die on. >> people are enraged, and nobody would choose to wear a bandage that size. i'm going to name drop, is that all right, dr. ronnie jackson, what's the problem, it's in a a place where if you touch it, it bleeds, so it was bleeding. he had to wrap it up, nobody would choose to do that, why would he choose to make that

comment. >> i can't believe you're arguing this point, and by the way, name dropping ronnie jackson, wow, what next? i mean hey. >> i didn't say i was gotted a name dropping. >> this goes back to the a block. he's are miserable people, i don't wish any ill will on people like hamil, because there's nothing worse than being them. like, if you have to talk about this, something is wrong in your life. >> i don't like any kind of cancel culture, it's a bad joke from a sad has been actor, i loved it in my childhood, it's kind of a shame, the thing is, when the 78-year-old has a bandage, it's normal even when they didn't get shot in the year. joe biden could show up in a body cast, i wouldn't bat an eye, just ask him where to sign. >> greg: cat, you're a huge

"star wars" fan, going way back, super fan. what do you make of the thirsty at thisness of markham mill on social media. it's a thirsty thing, like the way we were ten years ago on twitter. >> i have no idea who he is. >> have you ever watched "star wars." >> no, i haven't, which one is he. someone and someone who hooks up with their sister. >> that's him. >> and dad who is scary. >> darth vader is the dad. and mr. spock, which is the furry -- >> that's from the nerd show, "star wars" is the nerd movie, so i don't know, it was weird to see what happened, yesterday, and have that be what you think about, if there's something off there, i am surprised i haven't seen people around here wearing the ban aids. i thought for sure people were

going to start wearing them, and walking around. >> greg: we're all trump's ear. guy, finish this out here, you know, has hamil lost his mind. is another person broken by trump? >> i don't care about anything he has to say, but he's exemplifying brian's point, you don't always have to tweet something. this is just one to leave on the cutting room floor. >> i'm going to put a button on it, when you see a tweet like that, it means the person is drunk. do go away, we'll be right back. some days, you can feel like a spectator in your own life with chronic migraine, 15 or more headache days a month each lasting 4 hours or more. botox® prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine before they start. and treatment is 4 times a year. in a survey, 91% of users wish they'd started sooner.

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this is america's late new, fox news at night. this, as us secret service director cripple betterly cheadle, refusing to resign after a massive security failure. >> you plan to stay on absolutely? >> i do plan to stay on. >> and blames the near assassination on a, quoting here, sloped roof. >> that building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point and so, you know a safety factor that would be considered that we wouldn't want to put

somebody up on a sloped roof, so the decision was made to secure the building from inside, and it's something that shouldn't happen again. >> shouldn't happen again? doesn't she mean won't happen again. and axia reporting that photographers from major news outlets warning it's dangerous to continue sharing the photos from the attempted assassination because they might become propaganda. and donald trump making another dynamic entrance at the republican national convention where a united republican party fully endorsed that nomination. asha with the latest on this. >> good evening to you, what a night tonight a huge loud applause, a standing ovation as the president got a big endorsement and big show of support from a former opponent, nikki halle. >> you don't have to agree with trump 100% of the time to vote

for him [ cheering and applause ]. >> take it from me, i haven't always agreed with president trump, but we agree more often than we disagree. >> trace, we're told that trump changed around his schedule tonight to come and watch her speak in person, a big unity moment, according to the campaign. halle, who polls show is favoured by independents across the country talked about the war on ukraine, saying putin did not invade while trump was in office. she talked about iran, saying iran was afraid to start anything when trump was in office and talked about the border, saying it was much safer under trump. also on stage tonight, former candidates, tonight's theme was make america safe again, and it comes as representative van or den was allegedly assaulted outside the rnc grounds today, and i caught up with him

tonight, and he said a pro hamas protestor quote hip checked him in front of an officer. that woman has been arrested now. also today, trace milwaukee police arrested a 21-year-old man wearing a ski mask and carrying an ak-47 pistol, a full magazine, as he was approaching the rnc grounds. republicans say they are trying this week to bring down the temperature at this convention, tomorrow, a much bigger day, we are expecting the new vice-presidential nominee, senator jd vance to take the stage right behind me. trace. >> live for us on the scene, asha, thank you. let's bring in former republican presidential candidate and one of tonight's speakers at the republican national convention, vivek, great to have you on. i found your speech compelling, it does appear with you speaking and nikki haley and ron

desantos, that the gop unity has come full circle. do you feel that way? >> i do. i was here in milwaukee on that debate stage about a year ago as a presidential candidate and now we're if the same place, in milwaukee in a different context, but i'll tell you this from walking around the convention, and meeting the every day citizens who are here, one of the things i see, is it's not just about republican party unity, people here are hungry about national unity, people are hungering for it, and i chose to focus my speech where i did. people are hungry americans, not just republicans, and that's a big theme of this particular convention more so than has been true in the past. >> i found a couple of your points compelling. i want to start with one, it's the american dream where you're telling people that you should speak your mind, watch this. >> you will still get ahead in this country with your own hard work, your own commitment, your own dedication, and you know what, you are free to speak your

mind at every step of the way, that is the american dream. >> essentially saying we want robust debate, and we will not shut down dissent. >> that was one of the messages i wanted every democrat in this country to hear. you may disagree with everything i said on that stage, but we'll defend your right to say it. that's what this country was founded on. and so many people are sick and tired of hiding their views. we used to be the country where you could debate vigorously at the dinner table and break bread together as family members, and friends, and colleagues, and we've lost that, but it doesn't have to stay lost, and i think what happened, even as tragic as it was on saturday night, has created a national climate that i think creates an opportunity for a real unity, not a fake astro turf unity, but an actual true national unity to say we may disagree but still respect each other as fellow citizen, and i hope we do. >> and you're right, because i know friends and people that we

come in contact with all the time, that are afraid to wear a maga hat. this is your message to black americans, watch. >> we want for you what we want for every american. safe neighbourhoods, clean streets, good jobs. a better life for your children. and a justice system that treats everyone equally, regardless of your skin colour, and regardless of your political beliefs. >> any people of colour, what's their take away interest this? >> -- from this. >> the take away america first includes all americans. this is a multiethnic working class coalition of voters who care about this country. and that was a point ited to make, a i put a subject point on it, trace, but many black americans have said for a long time that the justice system has been unfair in the past. you know who can recognize that is republicans across this country. donald trump recognizes that. he's seen a justice system

that's been discriminatory based on political beliefs, so i think that brings a lot of credibility with it, to say we don't want to weaponize the justice system in one direction or the other, we want neutral principles that lift up all americans economically and every other way, black, white, hispanic, asian and everything in between. and i hope that's part of our unifying platform. >> you mentioned donald trump, and i want to end with donald trump, and the assassination attempts on the forker president. what -- former president, what do you think, what is the vibe you're getting? do you believe the former president is changing his politics because of what happened on saturday? does it change the former president? >> i don't think it changes his politics. i think it gives americans an opportunity to see a different side of him. and i think that that's an important distinction to draw. this is a man who wants to go in there, and build on those successes of that first term to in some ways go even further

with the america first agenda, but to do it in a way with all those experiences under his belt, to say i do want to be the person who unites this country, and he cares deeply about that, it hasn't always come through with all the filters and media filter, but one of the things we'll see in that second term is something nobody on the left would have expected but is going to benefit from too. donald trump the uniter, and i think all of us have a role to play in that and i would love nothing more, trace, than to see that not just for the rest of this campaign, but for the next four years. >> thank you for staying up late with us, sir, we appreciate your time. >> and with that, let's bring in the spectators, washington editor amber and teslan, here is what nikki halle said tonight amber and i'll get your take on the other side. watch. >> no president can fix all of our problems alone. we have to do this together. america has an amazing ability to self correct.

in this moment, we have a chance to put aside our differences and focus on what unites us and strengthens our country. >> she said unites us, the big theme here amber is unity. are they achieving it? did they achieve it. >> i will say being in the convention centre tonight i saw a lot of minds change on nikki halle, even just the difference from her being booed when she walked in to receiving a mix of boos and applause as she was leaving suggests that her message landed at least for some people there, and the important thing is that nikki halle polls incredibly well among independents, who trump is trying win over to the gop, and i think nikki halle recognizes if she wants a future in the republican party she has to play ball and recognize that where the party is is with trump. >> teslan the get rid of biden band wagon seems to be back on the move.

the new york times -- told attendees at a democratic fundraiser the party would lose the senate and miss a chance to take the house if the president did not drop out. and then you coupled that with solan writing this, back to being angry, pelosi working the phones to oust biden as democratic mutiny continues. we thought that this was kind of fading, and it doesn't appear to be doing that. >> it should be, pelosi should put the phone down and who cares what the new york times had to say. i was one of the first ones saying joe biden should not have been the nominee, but he is and it's not up to the new york time. if the republican party can come together and unify after desantos said after trump couldn't win, and cruz said he was a pathological liar, than the party has an opportunity to come together in what they call unify and get on the same board, get on the same page.

joe biden is the nominee. he said the other day he's on the horse and detroit welcomed him, so if the elite are or the celebrities or big donors don't want to get on board, leave it up to the people. why are we afried to leave it up to the people. the republicans and democrats have decided who their nominee is. >> she's right. president biden said i'm in for the long hall, i'm on the horse, i'm the guy, i'm not going to stop, and yet tonight he give an interview with b.e.t., and said this about being quote a transitional candidate. >> i said i was going to be a transitional candidate and i thought i would be able to move from this, and pass it on to someone else, but i didn't anticipate things getting so, so, so, divided. there's more to do and i'm reluctant to walk away from that. >> i find it interesting, that for two weeks we find out he's not walking away, and tonight he says i'm reluctant to walk away. it seems like a half step back.

>> that is interesting, he said previously that he would only drop out of the race if the lord almighty came down and told him to do it, and then he said he would have to be hit by a train to get pushed out, so it doesn't seem like he's going anywhere just yet. i think it would take a really big effort from not just people within the democratic party, who are close to biden, but also, of course, his family members to be on board with him stepping aside, and we haven't seen any indication yet that that's the case. >> but it sure feels like the pressure is starting to kind of reratchet up here. jd advance, the vp pick of former president trump and the current vice-president kamala harris had a conversation and we're told it was very cordial, and talked about a debate. no date set yet. do you think a vp debate is going to happen? >> it absolutely should, since

all the conversation talks about if joe biden drops out, maybe vp harris could be a pick. i don't think she should be, i think biden should be at the top of the ticket, but i think it would be a robust debate. a lot of people don't know who vance is, not familiar with him, people on the democrat side, enjoy vp harris making the case, obviously, we've seen trump and biden several times, debate, so i think it should be good, we should know who should be next in line for the commander in chief. >> thank you both. meantime, in the wake of former president trump's vice-presidential pick, jd vance, those on the right and the left are sounding off about the junior senator from ohio. mark meredith is live outside the rnc in milwaukee. mark, good evening. >> good evening to you, they sure are. we know the trump campaign is working overtime to try to get the jd vance signage up all over the convention, rolling out his profile nationwide. vance was front and centre inside the rnc, and did not give

his speech, that's going to come tomorrow night, we're hearing from those who are coming out to show their support for vance, including former senator mark rubio who just a day ago was on the vice-president short list. >> jd vance is someone i think embodies in many ways epitomizes the voter that trump has attracted to the republican party and in many ways, people are bad-mouthing him for things he might have said six or seven years ago, that is the transition that millions of americans have made when it comes to donald trump. >> democrats are ready to paint vance as an extremist. and they've got new billboards up across milwaukee and could roll them out nationwide going forward, where they tried to show that vance in their view would be just as bad for democrats as donald trump would be. even in wisconsin, there was a new conference, corey booker came out, wanting to make it clear, they wanted to put vance's views on abortion front and centre. it's worth repeating that, yes,

vice-president harris, and the vice-presidential nominee, have connected by phone, but whether or not we're going to see them on a debate stage, trace, that is yet to be seen. they've talked about it, but if and when under what conditions, still to be determined. trace. >> a lot of details to work out, mark, live for us outside the convention. let's bring in new york post reporter lydia, and rnc creator and pro-israel activist, emily you a stone. axe yeah writes, a photo editor and photographer from a major news outlet said it's dangerous for media organizations to keep sharing that photo despite how good it is. another photographer worried that the photo would be a propaganda machine with the image itself making trump a martyr. lydia, to you, now, could having the new -- covering the news, and showing these photos is propaganda. only in 2024 is news propaganda?

>> only in 2024, and in 2020, and over the last few years. this has sort of been the name of the game and we're hearing from left right and centre, this is an iconic photo. something that is jaw dropping. it captures a moment and people can't even believe it's real, because it's such an incredible photo, and the reaction of the media is basically to say, let's not give it any coverage, let's pretend it doesn't exist, and this is sort of what they tried to do with a lot of theories about vaccine, origins of covid, but i think it's changed so much in the last few years, particularly with elon musk's purchase of x, people are getting their news in a lot of different places and so the fact that the new york times or a certain media outlet doesn't want to give something a presence, doesn't mean that people aren't going to see it anymore, because there are so many outlets, people are looking for their news now. >> that's exactly right and we're going to see that picture again and again, like it or not, because it is iconic. nobody says more outrageous

thing, emily than joy read, and she's keeping her record going, you'll be happy to know, with this. >> part of the price of magadom, particularly if you're a person of colour is to take the humiliation. nikki halle was not even invited, and yet she said i pledge all my delegates to trump. >> and they reversed it. >> she's actually saying, emily that black republicans just need to accept the humiliation. >> there's no humiliation in it, and what drives me insane, is if you try to have a substantial conversation with these people, aka, why is trump racist, why do you believe xy and z about trump, most of the time they don't have an answer for you. a lot of protestors outside of the rnc, and unlike most people i decided to actually engage with them, and many of them told me you support a racist, you support someone who will ban abortion, and when i tell them,

how is donald trump racist, they start stuttering, i'm not going to explain how gravity works, is what somebody told me. and they said trump said he won't ban abortion, they walk away. they want to talk about propaganda, and spew this rhetoric to promote their narrative that's anti-trump. >> i'm surprised they didn't call you a denier. yo biden brought up two debunked hoaxes with lester holt, and holt did not say a word. >> fine people on both sides, no excuse, zero. >> let's talk about the conversation this has started, and it's really about language. >> my opponent engages in that rhetoric, talks about it being a bloodbath if he loses. >> this doesn't sound like you're turning down the heat.

>> he knows these are lies and have been debunked but not going to challenge the president during an interview. it seems silly to me, lydia. >> yeah, and these are lies that biden keeps reiterating, because that's really all he has left and i want to add to what emily was saying as well, because earlier the president was spouting off similar rhetoric that he has for quite some time, telling at the end of -- black americans were living through hell when donald trump was pred. ad hominem attacks and a failure to convince people that he's the best candidate, because he doesn't want to run on his agenda, because it's not a winning campaign. >> they want to turn down the temperature, and i got to go here emily, they want to turn down the temperature, but keep spouting they debunked things, and nobody is calling him on it? >> they're doing way more than that, i said this earlier on piers morgan, they're doing this dehumanization to donald trump

and trying to paint him as a monster, the comparisons to hitler are sickening. and trying to attack him on a personal level because his policies work so well, but they can't even criticize those. now they're trying to come up with lies and false narratives to make people personally hate him, even if it's pure lies. >> emily austin, lydia, thank you both. and coming up, fox news put together a timeline of saturday's shooting at the trump rally in pennsylvania y our investigative panel will analyze the mistakes and missteps and weigh in next. and later in the night cap, trump told reporters the day after his assassination attempt, quoting here, by luck or by god, i'm still here. a majority of republican leaders believe it was some form of divine intervention that saved his life. >> if you didn't believe in miracles before saturday you better be believing right now! >> it's an act of god that he

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>> the fbi and homeland security have issued fresh warnings about the threat of potential repeat or retaliatory attacks in the aftermath of the attempts on donald trump's life. the senior national correspondent kevin is live in dc with details. >> the skeptics of course will say it's a coordinated move by the intel community to change the subject following that disastrous failure, that almost cost former president trump his life, but tonight, the secret service director, her job is hanging by a thread, as if almost on cue is saying nothing about leaving her job, but the bureau, and the homeland security department are both saying, hey, we have a joint intelligence bullet ton and we

want to warn everyone about growing concerns we have about possible attacks and retaliation for the attempted assassination on former president trump i thought point this out, no specific targets are mentioned, but the four page bulletin notes that extremists have conducted or plotted attacks against perceived political or ideological opponents in the past. this, as the very same agency say they also have obtained intelligence from a human source, in recent weeks, about a plot by iran to try to assassinate president trump. a development they say that's led the secret service to increase security around former president trump in recent weeks. there is no indication the would be assassin's attempt on the former president's life had anything to do or was connected in any way to the so-called possible iranian plot, but existence of intel of a possible

threat from a foreign adversary raises new questions about the security lapses with did see in pennsylvania, trace. >> we'll talk about those lapses coming up, kevin, thank you. we're learning more about law enforcement activity in the moments leading up to the attempted assassination of former president trump. matt finn is live in butler pennsylvania with more. good evening. >> hi trace, you can see behind us, police are actively protecting the crime scene, earlier today we stepped back on to the property where the rally was, and there are still a lot of the rally materials on the property, including the risers, and the patriotic banners, state police tell us that it is being secured and is being investigated, and tonight we had that new exclusive video to show you the chaos, the aftermath of the shooting last saturday. on the bottom left side of the video you can see a law enforcement suv desperately crashing through a fence at the rally site to allow police to

get access to the roof where the shooter was. law enforcement gets through that fence, rushes towards the building where the alleged shooter is, thomas matthew crooks, killed one man, injured two others and grazed president trump's ear. law enforcement makes this on to the roof, and a lot of conflicting information about why the roof of that building was apparently left so wide open, in an interview today the head of the secret service claims it's because the roof is sloped and dangerous for a sniper to have positioned themselves on. the same cellphone video pans over to the unfolding attempted assassination of president trump and gives us a fresh new angle, and shows secret service hovering around former president trump, as the crowd devolves into chaos, and cheers as mr. trump gets back on to his feet, and gives that now historic fist pump in the air. this video really just chilling first hand look as to what it was like in the horrifying

moments after the shooting here in butler pa, trace. >> the images are stunning, matt finn live for us on the ground. fox news put together a timeline of the trump rally shooting, and what happened in the minutes leading up to it, including kerrs from the crowd, about a man on the roof. and then an encounter with a local police officer. watch [ ♪♪ ] >> 21 minutes layer, the former president arrives [ ♪♪ ] [ singing ]. >> this is a big crowd. this is a big, big, beautiful crowd [ cheering and applause ]. >> we have been on the road for

country going out. how it happened. i know, because we have met an officer and i have been doing it. the shots came from a rooftop about 147 yards away. seconds later, he was down. we get to move and get there so fast, get around. >> i mean, you could see the shooter moving up

on the roof. with that, let's bring in purple heart recipient and counter sniper expert brian stern and retired fbi special agent maureen o'connell . thank you both for coming on. we appreciate it. instead of being on the roof of the building, the shooter, he he stayed up there. the counter snipers were inside the building is what we're told. and the secret service said, here's the reason. >> watch. >> that building in particular has a sloped roof. at its highest point. and so there's a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to put somebody up on a sloped roof. and so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building from inside. >> you wouldn't put somebody up on a sloped roof with a direct line of sight to the president. brian, your thoughts on this? >> well, clearly, it was a good firing position because a 20 year old punk kid with an arm, 15 was able to successfully squeeze off three rounds at the united states.

so it certainly was a suitable firing position. so from a counter sniper perspective, it's obviously a good spot. so that that line of that that that that narrative doesn't really track for me. >> so, i mean, what we're saying here, maureen o'connell, is that, you know, you had police officers on scene. they knew this 26 minutes they were warned and then even 90 seconds before there were people on the ground saying, he's got a gun, he's up there, he's got a gun. and nobody seemed to do anything to either protect the president on the stage or to go after and, you know, confront the gunman. >> well, comms has always been an issue, always when it when you talk about a number of different agencies being involved in anything and i've done the academy awards and all kinds of other things, 100 different times. >> if you're with an lapd officer or a pennsylvania state trooper, whatever you need to have either one of their radios or they need to be standing there with you. so when something comes over

my fbi radio, i can relate to them and they can put it out on the air. so comms comms are always going to be an issue. we really need to overcome this interoperability issue that's been at the forefront of so many after action reports since the beginning of time. as far as law enforcement is concerned. with regard to that roof. oh, sorry. go ahead. go ahead, maureen. i'm just say i was just interrupting here. i just wanted to very quickly bring brian in because she's talking about communications here, brian, and i'm wondering if you agree with communications being being one of the stumbling blocks here or was it something else? was it the advance? was it going in and and knowing where to place people in these in these types of scenarios? >> i think what we'll learn through the investigation, the after action review, it'll be a number of failures. communication is always the the weak link, especially when you're talking about local law enforcement, state law enforcement, private security, event security, and the secret

service. so there's a lot of you know, nothing ever works. the 911 commission report talks about interoperability at all levels. just from an information sharing perspective and the failures that led to 911. so this has always been a problem. it always has. it always has been and probably always will be. but there's definitely ways to mitigate it. we can see golf from outer space, so there's definitely technologies out there that make these problems work better and we just have to embrace those technologies and break down the barriers. >> yeah, and you know, a lot of people, when you say it was communications, they're going to look at you like, well, hold on, because there were people on the ground that saw this person. there was a police officer that confronted and then retreated. and we don't know the we don't know the details about that. so we don't want to cast aspersions on any police at all, maureen. but you you look at the scenario here and you have a shooter that went to the range on friday. he bought a ladder on saturday. we still don't know if he used that ladder or if he climbed up on an air conditioning thing. but it seems like a 20 year old with no military experience. it was awfully easy.