a spokesperson for obama declined to comment. marie harf, a spokesperson for obama declined to comment. if this was not true, they would have been on the record. >> marie: that is not a denial, kayleigh. that is not a denial. he could have, schumer's people could have pelosi's people could have but it feels like the moment the wheels are turning quickly. the next few days going into the weekend might think we will have a lot of news coming out about what is happening. joe biden should have the space and grace to do this in his own way. we should give him back, but it will be interesting to see how this plays out appearance before that is the big story this hour. a big night as former president takes the staged behind me while huge movement in the democratic party. barack obama telling allies that biden should consider his viability. we will bring you tomorrow "outnumbered" but for now, "america reports."

♪ ♪ >> it is not unreasonable for people to say, wait a minute, you are 81 years old. and so i think it is a legitimate thing for my age. >> this could be down ballot races and anything concerned about this ray should pay close attention. >> it is about rolling up your sleeves and will we be unified or do what we do, which is only each other down? >> i said i would be a transitional candidate. i thought it would be able to move from this and toss it to somebody else. >> sandra: anxiety growing over president biden's reelection bid as his former boss ways and according to "the washington post." a former president obama is telling allies that biden's path to victory has greatly diminished, and he needs to seriously consider the viability of his candidacy. that is where we are at 1:00 eastern time today. hello, welcome everyone, i am sandra smith, john great to be back with you. >> john: i'm john roberts in washington they could have told

walter mondale but he kept going. this is "america reports" and the democratic party calls for biden to reassess. there is another report that it is no longer a matter if but simply when biden will drop out of the race. axios with top democrats say biden pressure campaign is working and they believe the president could withdraw as soon as this weekend here this is the president currently self isolatg in his delaware home, following a positive covid test yesterday. >> sandra: we have an all-star lineup to take us through all of this, one williams, mary katharine ham and kevin mccarthy will join those coming up. we begin with peter doocy who is live at beach in delaware and is that campaign giving us clues right now about how a possible dropout would go? >> no, nothing like that, sandra. the campaign is insisting president biden is not going to

drop out under any circumstances, even though it is possible this president with ever shrinking inner circle hasn't told them. >> our campaign is not working. president biden is not the top of the ticket. he is and will be the democratic nominee. i think it when it comes to if he is open to subject to any of that, the president has said several times he is staying in the race. >> a medical issue is one of the only things this president says will get him to drop out and now he's got one, covid. leaving las vegas come at this video in slow motion as the president declined the staircase telling reporters he was feeling good. this other clip, taught him across the country three hours 48 seconds and a reporter said the plane was shaking, but you see here he needed a lot of help in the back of the suv from secret service agent. he has get no help from nancy pelosi, chuck schumer or hakeem jeffries. none are denying the reports

that the president they have urge privately to drop out. no obama is putting out the word biden may not be viable. his opposition is something house democrats thought impossible a few days ago. >> so if president obama were to come out and say, biden should step aside, would biden's campaign be finished? >> well first, i can assure you that president obama will never, ever, ever come out and say that. i do think that there is a small group of people, leaders in the party including some people on the hill that could change things if they all make the decision that something needed to be changed. >> so here in rehoboth beach near the biden family beach house, he is not just in covid isolation, he is in political

exile, sandra. >> sandra: so, this obviously brings up big questions over where possible replacement would be. of course, everybody is talking about that if, indeed, he drops out of the race. all eyes are on kamala harris at this hour. she is expected to speak live from north carolina as the president is isolating in delaware. what are we watching there, peter? >> here or what she has to say about the president. we know that she has made a few comments here and there that she supports him and he will be the nominee, but they are not making the centerpiece of her remarks because the campaign wants to talk about anything else, especially when they go to north carolina a state they desperately want to put in play here at the stage there, it will be the vice president. something interesting as you read the forecasting what analysts think could happen if president biden drops out. the north carolina governor cooper is someone who

could be picked as a vice president if eris was to assent to the top of the ticket. there is no guarantee that will happen. you have these influential donors and some of them are calling for a mini primary where a soonest president biden would put out the word, i am going to stop running for reelection and then either resign the office or go until january, that will start a sprint with some debates, some events between now and the convention, the third week of august. but again, they were so many democrats that keep saying president biden need to make this decision. we think you will make the right decision. he said he already made his decision and he will stay in and run because he thinks he is the best person to beat donald trump. going back to his days as a 29-year-old senate candidate in delaware, he's always been an underdog. he considers himself an underdog with so few people around him telling him otherwise. it is entirely possible he stays in despite the noise, sandra. >> sandra: thank you for

setting that up for us, peter doocy and delaware for us, peter, thank you. john, there are no guarantees, we know that, and anything can happen so we are watching all of it. >> john: in terms of who might replace biden, oh, kamala harris. interesting study that was reported by politico an organization called blue labs. they'd stood democrats, democratic alternatives and seven battleground states. kamala harris to better buy biden three points against trump but the top vote getters senator mark kelly, wes moore, josh shapiro and governor gretchen whitmer, they were the strongest democrats against trump, not to be so if you're looking at alternatives come i'm sure a day like this will be important for the democratic party when they look for who to replace biden with should he decide to drop out. >> sandra: the next few days will be telling, john. >> john: and live look freeport pennsylvania where we are less than an hour from

republic recession will get underway with corey comperatore from a fire chief, father, husband died shielding his family from gunfire in the assassination attempt of president trump. have a look at the video that appears to be the gunman working around the rally. this was taken an entire hour before the shooting happened. appearing to scope out the building where he later fired on trump. the lawmakers considered seachrist service chief over the failures on saturday. john brosseau is one of them and he has here to react in his first interview since it happen and the first, cb cotton in pennsylvania, freeport pennsylvania, what have we learned today, cb? >> good afternoon, john from a source within the secret service says the agency believes the shooter, thomas matthew crooks hid his weapon, which we know was an ar-15 style rifle from his father. the source telling us, i want to

backtrack a little bit, we know crooks deemed as suspicious after spotted with a golf range finder appeared but from there, john, the timeliness tricky. the source telling us fo ar-15, now we have to fill in the gap. lawmakers are trying to do the same thing, pressing for answers after being briefed. former president donald trump was still allowed to take the stage last saturday's campaign rally, even after the police searched the grounds for a person. again, crooks, who they considered suspicious. now crooks was at the rally site about an hour before scooping out the area around this time lawmakers tell us that crooks was on their radar for law enforcement at least. we know from federal sources, this is one of a few photos captured and shared among officers. about a 30 minute window before the gunfire appeared ultimately crooks fired shots from a nearby

warehouse outside the secret service perimeter. the roof one and a complex of others north of the rally stage and now lawmakers are calling on the secret service director to resign or be fired. the butler township commissioner is defending the local police, speaking out in anger towards the secret service. >> so, two or three days, obviously, after the events unfolded in butler, i kept seeing the narrative coming out in the media it is local police, local police-they did and i said, that is completely unacceptable. the butler township police department is an honorable department and our detail was specifically planned for traffic detail only. there was no security, no protection detail whatsoever. that we had seven officers deployed, and that is one-third of the total force. that was again to control traffic. >> john, today we are here at

the public viewing for fallen firefighter, corey comperatore, who of course was killed when gunfire erupted. there is tight security and i see several snipers in the area, john. >> john: we will talk to butler township manager coming up a little bit later on "america reports" and ask him about what went down in the various roles were. cb cotton, cb, thank you now this. >> [indistinct] >> very disappointing. >> to go on stage in pennsylvania and had been alerted that somebody with a spotter and all of these

situations to identify an hour before and then let him go on stage. and they see him on the ground. [indistinct] >> an hour out, [indistinct] you identified a potential threat. you told or someone told that it was not a threat. and you give us an explanation, why would anyone allow for

president trump to go on stage when you know you have a potential threat with snipers? [indistinct] >> we can find a place to go right now. >> [indistinct] >> thank you very much. >> no, no, we are going with you. >>

>> this is exactly what we were doing today. >> there was an assassination attempt! you owe president trump answers!

>> you owe answers! >> you owe answers to the president, the past president -- >> for crying out loud! >> sandra: wyoming senator john brosseau confronting the secret service and that video. the secret service chief in the video and joins us now. senator, thank you and welcome to you. first off, what was your take away how she responded and what did it tell you? >> very disturbing. she either needs to be fired today or resigned today because the more we learn about what happened there in pennsylvania with president trump, the more worrisome, bothersome it becomes. she doesn't want us to learn much. this is not about the men and women in the field of the secret service ready to give their lives to protect donald trump. this was specifically about the

director. we had a conference call with her yesterday. 100 u.s. senators in which she read talking points, stonewalled, cut off without many of us having a chance to ask questions to the american people. they deserve better and the secret service deserves new leadership today. >> john: senator, watching you and fellow senators go after her there remind me of hillary vaughn going after rashida tlaib what i was wondering if you adopted her tactics. let me ask you this question because at one point during the conversation, one of you, you might have said to the secret service director, you have an event described this as an assassination attempt. is that correct? >> well, ultimately, she finally did describe it that way. this is what happened. after the call yesterday, a number of us were there trying to ask questions during the call. four senior senators were there and we learned the director of the secret service was in the whole of the republican national

convention. we said, why don't we see if we can go get our questions answered? these are common sense questions, john, most people around america have, like i wasn't that roof secured 130 yards from the president? why is it the shooter can get onto the roof? why is it when he was seen as a suspicious individual an hour before the shooting occurred that nothing was done about it mark and then the white 2 minuts before the president went on stage and he was actually viewed as a threat did they still let president trump go onto the stage? so we went to see her with the plan of listening for answers. instead, i mean, can you imagine the director of the secret service of the united states ran away from four senior united states senators who only had questions? >> sandra: just to be clear, she has agreed to comply with g.o.p. led the committee that has subpoenaed her to appear before congress, and she

will do so under oath on monday. so i suppose the question is, was this effective? the approach, considering she will be sitting down and she has agreed to sit down and take questions on monday? >> welcome and she agreed to take questions from us on a call yesterday with 100 u.s. senator, republicans, democrats, and the bottom line is she didn't take questions and she didn't answer questions. everyone of us who were with her last night have tried to ask questions. they were told, there are no more questions. we were a purist by that. they cut off the call. it was a filibuster call. >> sandra: why do you think that is happening? what conclusion are you running? >> we want to know, the american people want to know why they are hiding. why is no one held accountable in this administration whether afghanistan? why is this woman still in this job as the director of secret service after what happened this weekend? she agreed to come on and have

goals with 100 u.s. senators, and then doesn't take our questions. who the heck knows what she will do monday. we will not wait until then your kobe thought she was in the room and we went to talk to her last night and ask legitimate questions that all of the viewers have. you have video played if a man in the crowd pointing up to the roof, there is a shooter up there and no one was doing anything. she needs to answer those questions and we thought we might have a chance to discuss them with her last night. instead, she chose to run away. >> john: senator, you asked the question why she is still on the job. house speaker john is asking the same question. here is what the secret service to sing about that you are to continuity is paramount during a critical incident and secret service kimberly cheatle has no intention to step down and she deeply respects members of congress and committed to transparency and licking to secret service through an internal investigation and strengthening the agency through lessons

learned an important, internal and external reviews. first of all, let me get your reaction to secret service is saying she will not step down. then secondly, why do we even need internal or external review? we know what should have been done. it wasn't done. it's not like you need to improve your processes. you know what you are supposed to do. they just didn't do it. >> that is what i call swap talk. president trump talks about draining the swamp, that is what we need to get rid of, that attitude. we need answers what happened in pennsylvania and why so far no one has been held accountable, who will be held accountable and i think we ought to start with the director of the secret service. >> sandra: senator blackburn, who posted that video, she reacted earlier with harris on "the faulkner focus." she said this. >> what she should have done a step aside with us and provide some answers to questions that we have.

who made that decision? why did they make that decision? where was the lapse in protocol? you are hearing so much on social media about this come about her priority was not about providing those answers. >> sandra: i think the american public sees this, director of secret service who was overseeing what was just a colossal, colossal mistake on saturday. and they wonder if this is the secret service that can keep our current president, former princeton, and beyond, are they capable? do you believe you actually get answers on monday? if not, what happens then? >> will, you are absolutely right. i want to have special hearings in the united states senate, intelligence committee, judiciary committee. we shouldn't put this off. we ought to have that hearing come monday in the united states and as well where she cannot run and hide and hide behind a door and have her own security lock

her from senators who are trying to ask questions. that is all we were trying to do yesterday on the conference call. she refused to take our questions, and then refused when we offered to go to a quite place last night and sit and discuss what had happened without assassination attempt. it is not just the assassination attempt, a hero, father died here at his funeral is today, died protecting his family. this was a massive failure on the part of the secret service, and they are has been so far no accountability at all. >> john: senator barrasso, who we look forward to what is happening next week in congress. we look forward to you and appreciate it. >> we are a unified party and we will get president trump reelected them back into the white house and clean up this mess come january. >> john: we are looking forward -- >> and get back on track, that is what the american people want. >> sandra: thanks, senator.

john, everyone everywhere is talking about this and the details coming out are just mind-boggling. how many things went wrong that led up to that moment? and to learn now after the initial statements from the secret service said that the local law enforcement were involved to a certain degree, ad this was sort of their jurisdiction, to then learn from butler township that no, only police detail they had were traffic cops! they were only called him because they got a heads up someone was on the roof. that was not supposed to be overseen by local police we have learned. >> john: we are hearing from the commissioner of butler township that the police were pulled off of traffic detail when report said suspicious character came to light. two officers involved with getting eyes on the rev. one of the officers boosted the other to the edge of the ruth who was hanging on by two enhancement crooks point at the rifle at him so he let go and

fell to the ground. you have one hand on the roof unless you are rambo, you will not be able to reach in your pocket and pull out your pistol and shoot the guy. thomas night is coming up. >> sandra: also joining us early in the week, bret baier, and we want to ask him a lot of questions, but among them to the senator's point, what are they hiding, he just asked? he has identified so many different ways they could have secured the president, the former president and prevented this from happening including drones. why was there not a single drone up in the sky or the area that could have so easily picked off this 20-year-old shooter on the rooftop? >> john: i mean, it is standard operating procedure. you if you have a line of sight particularly from an elevated platform, you do something to monitor that position or you do something to cut off that line of sight here but that did not happen. okay, president biden now could

drop out of the race as soon as this weekend as concerns grow over his electability. let's bring in our panel from the rnc in milwaukee. juan williams senior political analyst, may, a columnist news contributor. juan, what do you think joe biden is going to do? as we said speculation he could drop out as soon as this weekend and axios reported, the president is being told that if he stays and, former president trump could win a landslide. and biden legacy november and this in "the new york times," president biden's allies have shown polling data that he is behind former president donald j. trump in battleground states and lawmakers fear it will drag down house and senate candidates if he stays in the presidential race. so, juan, what you think you will do? what would you counsel him to do if you were advising him? >> well, you know the old

yogi bear saying, it is getting late earlier and i think it's getting late all of a sudden her joe biden. i thought the republican national convention would serve as a buffer for him and slow people talking about the need to get out of the race based on poles. the polls are not great, but they are not terrible here t the biden campaign was using that as full arc to stop the flood of people that say he should get out. but as we approach the last day of the convention, what we see is combined with the covid diagnosis and so many reports about chuck schumer, senate majority leader of the democrats, hakeem jeffries, the minority leader in the house, telling him directly, you got to go! it looks like it is an inevitability, right? >> john: on that point, listen to former obama advisor van jones said about trump versus biden, strength versus weakness. >> strength versus weakness, a

bullet could not stop trump antivirus just stopped biden. you have the nominees of this party getting there buts kissed and biden but is getting kicked by his own party. the democrats are coming apart at the republicans coming together. >> john: mary katharine ham, what you make of that? >> these things are obviously true. you hope and a normal campaign that you would rhetorically make a contrast between these two men. that is what they were attempting to do. but now made by a fence and one looks like a leader and one does not. and he looks besieged by his own party. i think by this weekend it will be decisive. the pressure grows they are telling him about the poles but they have been telling him about these polls met quite some time. and i think juan is correct to talk to the top points this is within striking distance. regardless of what he decides, the democrats are in a real situation because this is

canceling a wedding after the invitation has gone out but not just that, they are asking to speed date to find a new fiance before the end of august, right? that is a tricky proposition and does not lead to party unity. either way they get out of this, it is going to be hard to create the unit t that you have seen at this convention, which is yet another contrast that does not do good stuff for their tickets. >> john: juan if not biden who then? is it b6 or someone else? pulling for an organization called blue labs that shows while harris does better than biden, she does not do better than mark kelly, wes moore, gretchen whitmer? do you have some people suggested in many primary or where a nation nation for kamala harris? >> i think there's a lot that depends on how biden exits eroded by the way, that is where we are in the process, telling biden this is about his legacy and that his friends are

counseling him, protect the accomplishments you had from the first term. you are a historic president. don't do damage to it now and do a repeat of ruth ga ruth bader ginsburg. that is how the psychology is working among democrats. when you talk about the poll numbers, john, a lot of this has to do with not how anybody would do against the republican nominee, likely donald trump, but how they would do among democrats who are, you know, let affections in there. progressives, moderates, conservative democrats, and right now no one who would come closest to unity at this late date is kamala harris. >> john: all right, so, we are still hearing from the campaign that corey comperatore is the nominee. tj pokes on a poetics, he is the nominee to go forward and the white house at this after the conversation on hakeem jeffries and chuck schumer, the president told both leaders see as the nominee of the party and plans

to win and looks forward to working with the both on the agenda to help working families. you know, if you work for the white house and if you are on the president's comps team and the comps team of the campaign, your job is to say, he is the nominee right up until he decides, mary catherine, he is no longer going to be the nominee. >> i think, yes but the operative part of that, he decides you're with a message for him the past few weeks has been the same as it is today come about his legacy come about the fact you might not win. it hasn't worked for us far and i'm waiting to see if he weathers out yet another extremely strong storm in the wave of this because if he does and it comes monday night they have to fish or cut bait and i think they decide to fish with what they have. i agree that kamala is the sense making choice and provided over that he can handed over to her. i think he should hand the presidency over to her, quite frankly and morally that is the correct thing to do but i don't

know if the party will accept that? they want to have this thrown open convention which gets tricky and these ideas: better than biden right now are in theory. once you get him out there there is a vetting process on the big stage for the first time and there is factions on the party that you have to deal with with donors, activists. it gets very messy. >> john: it does and so many historical parallels between this year's democratic convention and 1968. may be history will repeat itself, mary mary, juan, thank you. >> sandra: setting the record straight for the lapse is on saturday. we speak to the butler township manager who is defending the police department in all of this, plus this. >> it is just sad that the situation happen because drones are designed to see with the naked eye can't be of the problem is the secret service doesn't seem to prioritize drone

services appearance bill in spite of the gunman and butler, pennsylvania, before it was too late and we have drone expert brett on deck and he will react next.

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we are leaning on details because you can only imagine that conversation, you know, we haven't heard the former president speak out very publicly about a lapse of the secret service. we sold the senators track down kimberly cheatle last night saying white haven't you answered our questions? this will be interesting. if we get details over that short meeting, what questions he had or what she was able to disclose to him after the assassination attempt on him. >> yeah, exactly. there hasn't been, frankly, a lot of answers but a lot of excuses and that's not good enough. we have learned the fact is secret service failed on a number of different situations, and that has a lot to do with the lax in their ability to implement new technologies that we talked about before. so again, i know a lot is waiting to hear what is coming

out of the investigation has some of the details come up. >> sandra: there has been this question and you brought it up in a big way by the secret service? why the federal government isn't using drones to protect our most at risk, in this case former president donald trump in this speech in this rally in pennsylvania on saturday? the faa issued a statement authorizing drones and said it did not issue any waivers prior to last saturday for butler, pennsylvania. and law enforcement could have been operating drones under their individual agency authorizations. was this a missed opportunity to prevent this from happening? couldn't a drone easily spot at that 20-year-old shooter on the rooftop? >> yeah, and frankly the faa is part of the problem. look, this is not new technology at all and is simply not rocket science to employee drones. in the military we really did a drone overhead and that should be the case with presidential s.

president trump, this is our next president we are talking about myself and others would do it for free or codrones are meant to be a force multiplier for operations. they are not meant to replace but enhance the coverage and they should be implementing this ai technology to complement each other to regularly protect the public. you can use these for things like presite inspection and preparation, real-time aerial surveillance, monitoring the crowds, entrance and exits for suspicious activities from individuals. perimeter security and responses and used the systems and relay critical information to the ground security forces to stop the situation from happening. we have learned a lot from recent wars on the cost-effectiveness of using them here and now, they are cheap. you have small, hand-held drone's u.s.-based ai systems available on the market and they can audit the security sites in real time and call up the threats. now you have situations where the drones can stop the threats themselves.

i'm not talking about, fire or missile strike, but a small drone physically going up to that potential target, getting in front of it, distracting it, that is a situation that could have been used here. this is not advance futuristic stuff but available now. there is this bureaucracy that is in our own government which makes it difficult and frankly needs a complete security overhaul. >> sandra: i want to get this in here, this is important, the secret service agent in charge is defending for security plant that went down that day. listen here. >> there was a plan to secure but we need to find out what that plan was and then the execution phase of that is where they most likely had the issue. i don't leave with the sight of this elite agent, a second supervisor all looking at the same, looking at the same threats that were there, i don't believe they would have missed it. >> sandra: that is really interesting. he's not questioning the plan. he's questioning the execution

of the plan. your thought on that. >> both need to be question here. the faa have been using a lot of poems for law enforcement drones and many officers, secret service saying responsible specially for this technology, they were afraid to submit waiver of authorization allowing to fly drones. faa confused government officials what the true processes here but they need a lot more training. that include secret service as well. we have to stop at stifling the innovation and use technologies the way it should be to protect our public and government officials. >> sandra: you make a great point and hopefully it comes up in the hearing why this was not used and why a drawing was not deployed. there is a big question over the site survey that the secret side of us has to do before the event takes place. former fbi agent and sink the site will basically tell us everything. if that building with the sloped roof's and the slight survey and they did not secure it, that will answer a lot of questions,

brett, thank you for joining us, right, john. >> john: you mentioned secret service growing questions with new details emerged with the attempted assassination of former president trump. fbi retired agent bobby chacon will make sense of the investigation and where it goes next. plus this. >> they tried to put joe biden through. these are scripted become essentially taped interviews, pretaped interviews. he can even get through those. i'm sure they are in panic and i'm sure they wanted different candidate. >> sandra: growing calls from democrats to push is not biden off the ticket before it is too late. former house speaker kevin mccarthy is just a head with his take as the walls closing in on joe biden. ♪ ♪

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assassination attempt against former president trump and butler, pennsylvania. now the hard work begins to try to figure out what was the motive of the shooter and try to take out the former president. bobby chacon, retired fbi agent for 15 years with investigation experience, he joins us now. apparently, bobby, they have cracked crooks' phone. they did interview searches of both biden and trump and a member of the local shooting club. what are your thoughts about why this happened? was he trying to take out trump for political reasons potentially, or did he want to go out with what he thought was a blaze of glory knowing he would never get out of that place? >> that is a great question, john. you honed in on the two distinct possibilities that we have a year. normally, the political assassination is implied that it is a political adversary. you don't like the president's policies or politics. but we are not finding or they

are not releasing information where he had a certain ideology in conflict with the person he was trying to kill. then you look for the second one you mentioned and we have had that on occasion where you kill a famous person and you become famous yourself. we have had that with celebrity assault and things like that. it looks like he can be either one of those and, quite frankly, the fbi profile pouring through everything they can get on this guy, the kid and interviews with family and friends with this young man and trying to assess your coup it will be an interpretation of he would if you don't have an over statement, it will be looking ae give you an interpretation of what they think motivated him unless you have that overt act or overt statement, which they haven't released yet if they have it. >> sandra: this is interesting. in pennsylvania -- thank you for joining us, bobby -- pennsylvania actual or he volunteered for saturday's rally and spoke to our own box digitay

brought this up. listen. >> we did a walk through 7:00 p.m. friday night, and we raised multiple concerns with the state g.o.p. staff. all of our safety concerns that we brought up on friday evening were strictly t turned down. anybody could have been in those grounds throughout the entire week planning call make you know, other sorts of my guesstimate chaos per se, planning attacks as mr. crooks did. >> sandra: it is interesting, right, if nothing had gone wrong, you could see the side where secret service will say, "we got this" local office say we got this. but gosh, where they are of things missed here? >> i think you are right. really, there were things missing. somebody could have got in there and did a weapon before they set up the perimeter. once they got inside the perimeter, they could have

gotten hold of the weapon. there were multiple failures here on multiple people's accounts. it is catastrophic, colossal to know that both in the planning and fault in the execution and now fault in the aftermath. i don't think there is any competency provided in the secret service or someone inside the government. i think senior officials retired from the fbi secret service not in the government anymore and a political lead to an independent investigation. made up of people from those agencies who are not politics and not an office or any jobs that would affect them. they need to do a really, really good -- and it has to be quickly. at the convention, and the democrat rising, we are in the horse race that is going quickly. we need to keep our people safe. we need to remember, this man lost his life because of this failure here at the family is devastated and countless lives shattered. they have to get it together and

speak to the american people more than they have so far. >> john: i want to be clear if this idea of going out in a blaze of glory with twisted idea in his own mind that he wanted to have the notoriety of that. it seems to me some indication in the breadcrumbs that may have been left by him prior to the shooting, the fbi briefed about this, this was a posting on his gaming account. but the fbi is not sure if this is actually true or not. they are investigating it. but the fbi did brief on this where apparently, crooks posted july 13 will be my premier. watch as it unfolds. that would be an indication that if that is a real account and actually posted that, that he was looking for some sort of notoriety go and you wonder, also will so, is this a guy may be looking to commit suicide by cop and thought that in his mind

would be the best way to do it? >> you are right, john. the other searches they are trying to determine is a search for corey comperatore as well. was this a guy that just happened to know that trump was coming through an area close to him and biden happen to be in that area before trump he would have taken a shot at biden which mark we have to determine that but again, it will be hard to interpret that but i think that is what they are looking at and the profile delve deep into psyche as much as you can with the information they have. when i so he searched biden as well, was he looking for anybody to take out famous whether trump or biden knowing that would give him an implement status? that is not something i honed in on the beginning but as it has gone by and the stuff has not gone to light, that is one thing they are looking at. >> sandra: bobby, one of the most puzzling moments is when director cheadle ahead of the

secret service gave an interview on tuesday defending having no one on that rooftop, explaining it in this way. >> that building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. and so, you know, there is a safety factor that will be considered there that we would want to put someone on a sloped roof. so, the decision was made to secure the building from inside. >> sandra: very obviously, they had counter snipers on sloped roofs in the very same spot. >> i wish he would have without answering before she gave the answer. it is not true. you don't secure a building from the inside. if they stood on the stage, what they should have done as part of their planning, look around and that building was the first and most immediate threat. somebody should have been on the road. the plan should have called for somebody on the roof and the execution, they should check this before he takes the stage and is everything down? they should have spotted the

roof and not up there a lot of for planning and execution. but the slope of that roof -- look, i have friends who are snipers and pride themselves into getting into uncomfortable positions and staying there a long time. >> john: going back to this idea of motive that john hinckley shot ronald reagan, people said of them away would he shoot ronald reagan? was it to impress jodie foster? who knows what was going on at this guy's mind. by become a thank you for joining us. we appreciated. >> sandra: of president donald trump to cap off rnc tonight and accept his party's nomination for the presidency. he will take the stage for the first time since the assassination attempt. boy, will that be a moment and we will anticipate that, what can we expect tonight? >> sandra, that is of a question and everyone is wondering what we will hear from donald trump because remember essentially he is tearing up his original speech and rewriting it as a

result of that assassination attempt. what else can we expect tonight? there are some of the other speakers and look at this graphic, a late add and this was surprising to everybody, hulk hogan a famous wrestler, dana white the ufc president, former secretary of state mike pompeo and eric trump speaking. take a live look inside the form right here, this is the calm before the storm here they have been doing light checks, music checks, walk-throughs and buildg up to this point and tonight will be the climax of te rnc when trump takes the stage. his campaign says all week long, they have unified. take a listen. >> we so whether it be governor desantis or governor haley, the senator rubio, everyone on our ticket been unified. the democrats came and unified their own white house. >> tonight's theme, the final night of the rnc, make america great once again. the original theme that donald trump had going all the way back to 2016.

tonight speech will be the very first public comments donald trump makes since the near assassination on saturday. it will be quite a moment and hear. it will be electric, guys, sending it b back to you. >> sandra: bill melugin in milwaukee, thank you, john. >> john: sandra, many questions unanswered in the attempt of the assassination of former president trump and lawmakers are not satisfied with the information they are getting from the secret service. we will ask the butler township manager, who he thinks is responsible for the security failures and what the task of their local constabulary really was. >♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ >> john: a live look in the air at butler, pennsylvania, where five days ago a man tried to assassinate the former president. we are learning the secret service knew there was a person of interest in the crowd but let donald trump take the stage regardless. why is the question being asked. only the secret service can give us an answer t