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♪ if. [national anthem] ♪ ♪ if. rachel: we begin with a fox news alert. former president donald trump and his vice presidential nominee j.d. vance are heading to michigan today for their first event since the assassination attempt on donald trump at a rally in butler, pennsylvania, last saturday. pete: and we are learning more about how suspect thomas crooks was able to go through with the attack. will: fox news' national correspondent c.b. cotton is on the ground in butler, pennsylvania, this morning. gad morning, c.b. >> reporter: good morning. the stop in michigan with former president trump and j.d. vance is a high profile visit, but

people's minds are still on the assassination attempt here in butler, pennsylvania. in what'sing with being called a security failure with, a federal law enforcement source tells fix if there are now two working theory for how the gunman p thomas crook, was able to get onto the roof of a warehouse building without being noticed. the source says the most likely scenario is crooks hid his father's rifle near an a/c unit he used to climb onto the roof. this would have ride a significant amount of reassembly. the gunman reportedly flew a drone over the rally site just hours before he tried to kill the former classmate. -- former president. overlapping investigations are now underway into how crooks was able to fire from the roof of a building roughly 400 tofeet from where trump was on stage. fox news' david spunt has

learned a butler township emergency services unit sniper team was inside the building crooks fired from look outside windows for any suspicious activity, but ultimately it's on the secret service to protect former presidents. the agency and it director, kimberly cheatle, are now facing tough questions as to why the building was not within the most secure perimeter. republican senator josh haw ally says he's learned of security lapses. >> whistleblowers tell me that law enforcement were actually on different channels, different radio communication channels. there were multiple different channels, and they weren't coordinated. >> reporter: director cheatle is set to testify before the house whereof sight and accountability committee on monday. back to you. will: thank you, c.b. pete: all right. here to break it down more for us is a former secret service operations, special operations division. thanks for being here again,

marshall. we're learning also there were 22 secret service agents. is that enough for an event of that size? does that surprise you? and then the revelation that he may have flown a drone? also this idea that could he have hidden a weapon beforehand, would that have not been, presumably, found in a site survey? your thoughts. >> thanks for having me back on. right out of the gate, 322 agents that's -- 22 agents that's obviously nowhere near enough. if you need five times that. this is, you know, they talk about -- when i spoke last week, i said i think the secret service did a great job with the resources they had, and a lot of people were upset with that. i was referring to the men and women on the ground, the counter-sniper team, the agents on the destate. there was not a lot of them. -- on the detail. they were not set up for success in any way, and these details now coming out that kind of solidify that they were not set up for success and that they

were understaffed. hay did not have the or resources they needed. you spoke of the drone. same thing, you know, the secret service has an air a space security or branch, but that needs to be manned. you can come out and do a sweep, but if somebody's not there 24 hours a day leading up to the event, that's another way you can have security lapses, most likely how the drone was able to be known as well. rachel: marshall, we talked about the drone last weekend, it was the first thing i thought about. if this guy was laying on top of a building, why wasn't there a drone overhead? i just assumed, i'm not a security expert, but i assumed that's pretty basic stuff. now we're learning that the gunman has a -- has -- had a drone, but i guess nobody there, what in the heck is homeland security for if not to purchase a drone to fly over the president in a speech like this? >> you're absolutely right. there's no refuting that that. that's how it should have been done.

if the average person who says, oh, i would assume this, they're correct. you would assume these things would be taking place, you'd assume there'd be more than 232 reported -- 222 reported agents, these drones would be flying over, surveying the site beforehand and during. unfortunately, these things for whatever reason did not happen and, you know, it will come out9 eventually, you know, there will be the hearing next week. i remember 2014 during the security incident when the individual jumped the fence and got into the white house, the director, very similar, went the testify on capitol hill and 12 days later the director did resign is. we'll see what happens here. you know, there's still a lot that needs to come out, but every day we find out a little more. will: marshall, i want to ask you about two piece of protocol. first, how long ahead of time of an event like this would the event grounds have been surveyed? it's not just the a drone that the would-be assassin flew.

we're still learning about a rifle he left behind an air conditioner. if he did, you would think that would have been secured ahead of time. i'd like your opinion on that, how long ahead of time. but the secondary thing i would like to ask you is on the sniper, the counter-sniper that took out the assailant, what is the protocol? does he have to wait for permission to take that shot? does he have to wait for the sniper to to shoot before he can shoot? when is he -- when duh he know he -- does he know he has a credible threat and is allowed to pull the trigger? >> well, that's a great question. setting up beforehand, in that varies at every event, the size of the event and also the time in advance you know about the event. a lot of these are last minute. things come up. the president, nominee, whoever it is last minute i want to go here in a day or two. so there's no set protocol on that. when you find out about an

event, you start -- the planning starts taking place. if it's last minute, it's rushed. that could be as a early as a month ahead of time or that could be a day or two prior depending on the staff, world events, things going on, how many resources they have the, how thin the service is spread. so that, that will, you know, all depend. then as far as the protocols, i'm glad you asked that. so secret service, you are a federal officer or a federal agent. there is, there's no permission to take at shot from anyone. i've never heard that before in my career. you know, as a secret service officer, agent you go through multiple academies, you get certified at the federal law enforcement training facility. you go through legal classes, you go through legal services. you learn about use of force. you're taught and certified and authorized on all of this. so, you know, just -- if i'm thinking in my situation, i would never ask someone else for permission to take a shot, one,

because if i pull that trigger, that's on me, good or bad. and, two, you know, an agent on the ground, i wouldn't authorize a shot if i can't see it. so if you would think about that, especially you have a split second sometimes. if you're going to explain over the radio, hey, this is what i have and this is what i'm looking at to another officer or agent who has the same certifications as you do and went through the same courses and legal briefing s, that, one, you wouldn't have time to do that and, two, nobody's going to take a shot based on somebody else's recommendation and, three, who's going to give a recommendation to take i someone else's life by what they're being told over the radio. will: right. >> so that is untrue, and i'm happy to at least dispel that one. if you're in a position, it's on you to decide if deadly force is necessary, necessary or not. rachel: marshall can i ask you one quick question? we don't have a lot of time, but i was at the convention. i spoke with congressman cover arely mills, and by asked him

what he thought of this, and he said the more i look at all of these things that didn't happen, he said i'm only beginning to, i'm beginning to think it's an inside job. do you think this is negligence or inside job? >> negligence. i absolutely do not think that it's an inside -- rachel: okay. >> i understand how people could feel that way when you see 22 agents, when you see the sniper had to take a one in a a million shot. why does the sniper have to take a one in a million shot? you heard the president's sons. if anyone has the right to be upset or skeptical, it's them, and they both spoke at the rnc saying that they think the agents and the counter-sniper team there did an excellent job. they shouldn't have to take a one in a million shot. there should be multiple snipers on every roof and all throughout that terrain. they shouldn't even be in a a position where they have to be that perfect. if they're not able to take that, the one in a million shot and the details will come out on

that later, but if they're not able to do that, the snipe per might have been able to get off a second shot, shoot through the agent's detail while the president's on the ground, and it could have changedded history. like i said, came on the next morning with you guys and said i think they did a great job with what they had. i really believe that they were just understaff thed and underresourced and that's why this happened. pete: marshall, thank you very much for your time. you know, guys, it is interesting because the picture of that sniper team that we keep seeing, from what i've, you know, from what we're learning, i don't believe it's that guy that took the shot. he couldn't see through the trees. so, ultimately, it was a different sniper team from much further away that had to take an even more difficult shot. i don't know that the graphic even portrays who that is. it's not necessarily the other rooftop there. we still need to know who took that one in a million shot. will: yeah. i was led to believe it was that second team -- pete: might have been. will: but the information changes day-to-day, but the one

on the further-flanked rooftop, to your point, and is what i read recently was all he was able to see was the scope and the forehead of, of crooks. and so even from that vantage point, he didn't have a clear shot, but that's why they're calling it a one many a million shot is. pete: well, we've got what happened there and what happened at the rnc which is a staggering do display of unity, once in a generation on the political side. well, it's quite different on the other side. the number of democrats who have decided to call for joe biden to drop out of the 2024 race has grown even overnight to now 34 democrats who are calling for him to drop out. here's what the new york times is saying about the mindset of joe biden. secluded in rehoboth, biden stews at allies' pressure to drop out of the race. he's not happy. here's more about what he said. he said sick with covid and abandoned by allies, president biden has been fuming at his delaware beach house,

increasingly resentful about what he sees as an orchestrate thed campaign to drive him out of the race and bitter toward some of those he considered close including his one-time running mate if barack obama. he considers nancy pelosi, the former house speaker, the main instigator but he's irritated as obama as with well seeing him as the puppet master behind the scenes -- rachel: so we're not crazy for saying obama's a puppet master? [laughter] now biden's saying it? pete: hasn't worked yet. we'll see. rachel: this is the dirty stuff about politics. joe biden, obviously, the running mate for barack obama. that tension has been there for a long time. joe biden was passed over in '16 for hillary clinton x that never bode well with joe biden, obviously. and so the bad with blood is deep, but this is the kind of -- this is reaching shakespearean levels here, will, the back stabbing.

and they're going to push him out. will: well, i don't blame him, to be quite honest, for being upset. they held, apparently, a fake primary where the voter's will doesn't matter and a few political insiders and donors can decide who the democratic nominee for president will be in 2024. now, joe biden shouldn't be the sitting president of the united states. he's incapacitated largely, and it's been covered up by his administration and the press. that still doesn't mean if democrat voters didn't choose that to be their representative, and if that's what the voters elect, then i don't know why it is the that a couple of donors and some political elite with can thwart the will of the voter. rachel: when i was at the convention, i saw such a juxtaposition. you have the donors and the lee its -- elites pick or coronate who hay want. at the convention, it was the opposite. the people, the voters, the delegates were really happy with president trump and j.d. vance as the pick. it seemed like some of to have donors and the power players and

the elites were the ones who were a little bit grumpy and begrudgingly accepting it. that's a very fascinating difference between the two parties. pete: it really is. the resentment is deep. we look at the cover of the post, joe is fuming about they were wrong to pick hillary in 2016. you're the president. do you run for re-election or not? even though he was the vp for eight years, there is a lot of under the surface resentment which could cause him to dig his heels in. i think it is more likely that he leaves, but it's not done. he does have the vote, he does have the dell gates, he is the president, and he can bide his time. rachel: i think he's saying obama's the puppet master, but look how wrong he was in 216. maybe he's not the person we should be following. this is going to, obviously, be a very complicated process if they do push him out. that doesn't mean it's the end. will: to the point about the

dichotomy, former president trump says the following -- >> our resolve is unbroken, and our purpose is unchanged to deliver a government that serves the american people better than ever before. nothing will stop me in this mission, because our vision is righteous and our cause is pure. no matter what obstacle comes our way, we will not break, we will not bend, we will not back down, and i will never stop the fighting for you, your family and our magnificent country. [cheers and applause] never. this election should be about the issues facing our country and how to make america successful, safe, people in and great again. -- free and great again. [applause] in an age when our politics too often divide us, now is the time to remember that we are all fellow if citizens, we are one nation under god, indivisible, with hinter and justice for all -- with liberty and justice for all.

rachel: democrats have said this is probably the best run convention they've ever seen. they're also saying people -- people like van jones saying that this movement reminds him of what we saw, that energy and coalescing behind barack obama back in 2008. listen. >> this spirit that this guy has, you guys think this guy is drunk? he's not. this whole thing is like this -- [laughter] hey, look, hey, guys, the last time i was at a convention that felt like this was obama 2008. there's something happening where -- pete: yeah. i remember that feeling in 2008. i remember looking at -- when they announced they were moving the final night to the stadium and they had the columns, i just remember watching it being like, oh, we're done -- rachel: it's over. [laughter] i remember that too, pete. pete: just had that feeling.

and van jones is prone to being honest at moments like this, and it did have that feeling. it doesn't mean get over your psychiatries -- skis, but it was a momentum -- will: yeah, pete, you and i talked about it this week on the will cain show. i think we have been deluded for too long into believing politics is about simply ideas. and i'm telling you itth should or shouldn't be, i just think for half a century we thought conservative, liberal. it quite often is, honestly, a battle of charisma and characters. and barack obama was a big character. bill clinton was a big character. george w. bush was a big character. walked into a room and commanded a room x. there's no bigger character than donald trump in this -- and this entire convention, to america reflected that energy of a leader, of strength, of the image and symbolism of america. rachel: yeah. the drama of everything that

he's been through starting, you know, in 2016 and, you know, trying to bankrupt him, trying to imprison him, taking him off the ballot, you know, all the way down to last weekend someone trying to take him out and assassinate him. he just comes out on top, the trauma of that and the feeling that he's just unstoppable. pete: and they didn't overplay that last part, they just plaid it at the right time. i thought it was done well. rachel: all right. well, just yesterday 12 more democrat lawmakers called on biden to abandon his campaign. will: and more could follow. we'll break down the name we're watching when we come back. ♪ ♪

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♪ will: dozens of vulnerable democrats are now calling on biden to drop out of the race fearing his support will affect them in their hotly-contested, down-ballot races. let's take a look at who's pulling back from joe biden. these are the 34 congressional democrats who have joined those calls, some of the most notable being congressman adam schiff of

california recently calling for joe biden to step aside. also montana senator jon tester yesterday and vulnerable ohio senator sherrod brown announced that he wants to see the end of the campaign for joe biden as president. if now, these are some of the democrats who haven't yet joined those colleagues, but they could make a huge difference in the landscape given how competitive their re-election bids are. we're watching pennsylvania senator bob casey, wisconsin senator tammy baldwin and nevada senator jackie rosen, all major swing state democrats, and they would need to win to secure the white house in november. both to maintain control of the senate, try to win the house and to win the white house. let's bring in rich lowry, editor-in-chief of "national review" to join us now. rich, good morning. thanks for getting up early with us this morning. >> hey, will. will: i'm catalog all these democrats that are starting to put their name on the list of those against joe biden. do you think there's a breaking point?

is there one particular congressional democrat that could make or break this decision for joe biden? >> yes, nancy pelosi. [laughter] i think she's been the main driver here when it seemed as though biden stand the. ed the bleeding by saying i'm not going, forget it, she said, well, he hasn't decided yet, right? which was her saying, you know what, mr. president if? you haven't decided until i've decided that the you've decided. i think she realizes he's a disaster, and the stages are, will, first they went schumer, pelosi, jeffreys privately to biden and basically told him to go, then they leaked when he didn't go, they leaked that they told him to go, and the next step is one of them going public, and that's when it may be unsustainable. i would suspect the front-line democrat, all those domino ifs need to be falling. sherrod brown, no one's fooled. in ohio now saying, you know,

look, this just isn't is sustainable. will: well, rich, even if pelosi or schumer or jeff reese goes public -- jeffreys goes public, that's the next card to play. and reports are barack obama's doing thing thes behind the scenes. even with all of that, rich, is it enough because it is joe biden's call. the reports are he gets sort of his hackles up, he gets upset if you push him. so can he withstand all this pressure? if. >> if he wants to in theory, yes, or right? i mean, there's no lever for him to say no, but this is a big game of chicken and has been since the debate, will, with biden saying, you know, i'm just going to plow ahead x. if you want to kneecap me in public, you're just waking your inevitable nominee weaker against trump, guy you hate. i'm plowing ahead. and the democratic party saying, you know what? even if you say you're still running, we're going to make it a worthless nomination because we're going to publicly condemn you, the fund raising's going to

dry up, the activists are going away. you can say you're still running, joe, but it'd be worthless to you. and i do think the democratic party seems to be winning that game of chicken at the moment. this nomination is a wasting asset for him every single day. it's just a little bit less valuable with every public condemnation and there are report that the fund raising is drying up. will: really quickly, more likely prediction, kamala harris as the nominee or or joe biden limps across with a defunded, unsupported presidential campaign? >> as of this moment, i'd bet on kamala harris. will: all right. great to see you, rich, thanks so much. >> talk soon. will: our colleague at the "wall street journal," we've began gershkovich with, sentenced to 16 years in prison in russia. his parents said this just a few months ago. >> we had president biden's promise to do whatever it takes. evan is not here. and the efforts to do whatever it takes haven't been done.

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♪ rachel: we're back with some headlines. mourners gathering outside a pennsylvania funeral home yesterday to pay their final respects to corey comperatore, the former fire chief killed at former president donald trump's rally last week when a gunman opened fire. a procession of law enforcement accompanied comperatore on the way to the funeral. he was shielding husband wife and daughters during the butler, pennsylvania, rally when he was shot. one of his daughters called him a true hero. for his sacrifice is. indeed. texas congresswoman sheila jackson-lee died last night a month after announcing her pancreatic cancer diagnosis. her office announcing the news. governor greg abbott paying

tribute on social media offering prayer and calling her, quote, a proud texan and a tireless advocate for the people of houston. funeral arrangements are still pending. sheila jackson was 74 years old. and those are your headlines. pete? pete: thank you, rachel. all right. "wall street journal" evan gershkovich has been sentenced to to 16 years in russian prison on bogus espionage charges. his parents spoke to "fox & friends" in december about what the biden administration has done and has not done in their son's wrongful detention. >> we had president biden's promise to do whatever it takes. evan is not here, and the efforts to do whatever it takes haven't been done. >> he told you that one day. have you heard from him since? >> no. no. >> we want u.s. government to focus -- pete: former cia station chief dan hoffman served in moscow.

he joins us now. first of all, dan, for those whoen aren't following this case, he was convicted, 16 years. does any of what's happened so far surprise you based on the russians looking for leverage and holding evan hostage? >> no, it's not surprising at all. it's part of vladimir putin's playbook. there's no such thing as the rule of law in russia, and what vladimir putin did is extrajudicially conduct this espionage, false espionage prosecution of evan and put him in jailing as you said, so that russia would have leverage so they want to conduct a spy swap of the sort they've done in the past like getting back the merchant of death, viktor bout, in return for basketball player brittney griner. that might be one end game. he also wants to demonstrate to his own people, particularly his intelligence officers, that if they get in trouble overseas for murdering someone as was done in berlin in 2019 or conduct

military intelligence operations as sergei -- did in brazil, he's detained there, that putin will get those guys out. and then the third thing, i think, the third motive for putin is what scares him the most is democracy. and he wants to have a bit of spy mania in his own country and demonstrate that his government is at war with the free press which is of course, a foundation of democracy. pete: well, so far any efforts made by this white house have been futile. evan's there, and now he's facing this time in prison. donald trump from the if stage at the rmc said of the hostages -- rnc that hamas is hold, hey, they better be gone by my inauguration. he might say the same thing about evan. what would a trump administration's approach be that looks different from the biden administration? >> well, putin does have a lot of leverage, and he's going to move evan to the penal colony. and if it was bad before, that's

a bad prison to be held in. he was only allowed out of his cell one hour a day. it's going to get worse in a penal colony. we don't have a whole lot of leverage. negotiations are typically conducted behind the scenes in our intelligence channel. putin may be looking for a grand bargain, and if president trump becomes the president again many if january of 2025, we may see some sort of a negotiation there. but putin is going to try to exact as much as he can from us, and that's going to be the challenge on our side. pete: interesting. so things look pretty static right now. maybe a change in administrations opens an opportunity. we'll see, but we hope he's back as soon as possible. dan hoffman, thank you for your insight. >> thanks. pete: you got it. all right, the rnc focus on bringing america together, but big surprise, that's not what a msnbc's joy reid saw. if. >> it's rooted in returning

white christian men but also white men, white-adjacent men in terms of also trying to be in that a dominant position. and then the you have women who are willing to go along with it. pete: white-adjacent men. [laughter] david webb gives his reaction to that lunacy coming up. ♪ -- i will never make it by without you, without you. ♪ if i can't rest, i can't flight -- ♪ if all i need is you and i. it's pods biggest sale of the summer. save up to 25% on moving and storage for a limited time. and see why pods has been trusted with over 6 million moves. but don't wait, use promo code big25 to save.

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non-emergency procedures. mass general hospital apologized for the inconvenience saying, quote, we are doing everything possible to restore the electronic systems that support our patient care delivery across our system. if our teams will continue to work throughout the night to implement solutions, and in arizona a some early voting stations were knocked out of use in the state-level primary elections. maricopa county updating that now 39 vote centers out of the planned 41 are now open there. also the u.s. coast guard posting an update saying command if centers have restored full connectivity, and telecommunication networks to normal fawngs functionality. and as far as crowdstrike, a fix was quickly deployed. the ceo promising the company, quote, continues to work closely with impacted customers and partners to ensure that all systems are restored and assures that the debacle was not a security incident or a cyber attack, but experts say it could

take systems days, even weeks to fully recover, guys, froms what is being considered one of the largest i.t. outages in history. guys? pete: thank you, chanley. will: well, the republican party, meanwhile, more united than ever following an electrifying week at the rnc. >> we rise together or we fall apart. i am running to be president for all of america, not half of america. >> we must not only be a unified party, we must also expand our party. >> let's heed the call of our party's nominee to fight, fight, fight for these united states! >> my message to the to you, my fellow republicans, is we love this country, and we are united to win. pete: well, that unity in stark contrast to democrats who are facing a fractured party as they brace for joe biden to potentially drop out before the

convention. rachel: here to react is fox news contributor david webb. david, talk to me about the unity that you experienced at that convention. i saw you there, and it was definitely on display. you could feel it. >> you could. and, look, the goal of the convention is to come out of it with unity; unity around the platform as it's laid out and that's clear, unity to go forward and work for the party's objective. that's the goal. however, the democrats fear something else. the unity of the american people. we are under attack from biden's policies whether it's his attempts to buy votes, his energy policy, his border policy or lack of one. all of the things that the biden administration and the democrats at every level of government have been push on the american people, and the american people -- not just republicans -- are unified in the pain they feel at the pump, the costs of goods that are going up, goods and services and

the fact that companies cannot expand, they can't grow, they can't hire. and there are many issues. so the american people are unified in their response to bad policy and what they're feeling, and the party has found a way to put that all together, do it effectively. and i think that's important coming out of this convention. will: well, david, part of me doesn't want to give this attention, but joy reid at msn if bc is such a hater that she's on her way to a pulitzer. this week she managed to say if joe biden recovers from to covid,, the same as an assassination attempt. she managed to imply the assassination if attempt was a staged conspiracy, and she said that you, david webb -- maybe not directly -- but that you are white adjacent. enjoy this latest clip from msnbc's joy reid, employed by come can cast. >> you've seen the same thing in hungary.

the orr bonnism of the party is rooted in returning white christian men but also white-adjacent men, black men, brown men who are white-adjacent in terms of trying to also be in that dominant position in society. and then of you have women who are willing to go along with that. there are a certain number of women or who are also willing t- >> sure. will: david. >> ah, will -- [laughter] we're still here, aren't we? she, you know what? joy reid is a sharpton-adjacent is race pin if at msnbc -- [laughter] and sadly, she's still somewhat relevant about to a dwindling, disgruntled audience, to people who simply are stuck in that mode. but the fact is there's no such thing as a white-adjacent anything, no such thing as a white-adjacent black man, brown man, woman, whatever she wants to call it. you know, hyperbole is something

you do if comedy, in performances, but what this is is performative lying to the american people. the good news in some sense, will, and i'm with you, is that she's becoming more and more irrelevant as her audience and her network dies. rachel: i kind of like that she's saying out loud who they perceive the enemy is to be, christian white men and anyone if who agrees with that point of view. so fascinating. if. will: thank you, david. pete: thank you, david. >> thank you. great to see you all. pete: great to see you. well, as china bias up american farmland and climate activists target their practices, one expert is linking food security to our national security. he explains coming up. ♪ ♪

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chains to unlimited global train, and we're going to stamp more and more products with that beautiful label, made in the usa. rachel: republican vice presidential nominee y.d. vance embracing -- j.d. vance embracing a made in america future and it couldn't be more crucial as farmers are linking food security to national security. kip tom is the leader of that group and a former ambassador to u.n. agencies for food and agriculture, and he joins now -- joins us now. kip, welcome to the show. of course, food security is intimately linked to national security. and during covid, for example, we saw the weakness to opt the -- of the big, huge industrial farms and how it was small farms that we needed in order to get the food, the weaknesses of those supply chains really revealed themselves during covid. what can we do moving forward to make sure that small farmers are healthy and making money so they can still exist for us? if. >> well, first of all, we need

all sized farmers. you need to meet the scale and demands of our consumers whether it's the united states or globally, it takes all size farmers. we're a family pardon me ourselves, and we're probably on the larger end of the scale but, again, we're family-owned, managed and operateses. so we -- operated. we need to make sure all sizes are successful and able to contribute to the economy. you know, one thing serving under president trump as u.s. board to world food and agricultural organizations, i traveled the world and worked on agriculture issues. we soon learned if a nation is not food secure, they're only three meals from chaos. u.s. agriculture has been taken for granted far too long. the consumer has the ability to have a good, accessible, nutritious supply of food but, unfortunately, we're taken for granted and we're imposing more regulations. it's moving our supply chains offshore. that's one of our biggest threats. rachel: that is a big threat. i will say a lot of small farms

feel threatened or challenged by big, industrial farms who seem to have an inside advantage many times over them, and there's a lot of regulation that small farms can't compete with if they're imposed on them. but i'm also concerned, a lot of americans are concerned about the rise in china-owned farmland. can you talk to us about that and how it relates to national security? >> yeah, there's no question. i think, you know, as i learned, again, serving under president trump is china is our largest existential threat. so whether it's onshore here in the united states, their ownership of farmland and some of the activities that can take place, we had a company that was going to go into north dakota close to a military base. that same company came to indiana. they were trying to establish a footprint here also. we got that stopped. but the reality is they're very, they have the ability to extract data and collect information on the u.s. and our operations and copy what we do. they're probably one of our

biggest threats in terms of intellectual property theft. rachel: yeah. was that discussed at that rnc food -- i'm sorry, the rnc farm fare? -- farm fair? was that discussed, china specifically and farmland? >> yeah. we talked about china, look, we've moved nearly 70 of our production of the products we use to control weeds, insects on our products. most of that's controlled by china today. fertilizer coming into the united states from russia and belarus, hose are extreme -- especially if they decide to hit the kill switch. [audio difficulty] consumer prices would nearly double, so that's some of our biggest threats. rachel: we're glad you're raising the alarm on that, kip. thank you for joining us this morning. more "fox & friends" next. ♪

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