points, mr. chairman if i can make it. that is, we can have these kind of interview sessions, everybody gets to kiss the pick. 5 minutes and she gets to stonewall us and not deliver answers. we say we are going to put together a congressional committee, a blue ribbon committee. the same stuff will happen. i am calling and i will support that. i will tell you this. i am calling on the speaker to give advice and put together a truly independent commission unqualified former secret service agents, presidential and vip protective services people who can actually conduct this kind of investigation and give us real answers. i don't think you're going to give us those answers. you should have come to day get ready to give us answers. i call upon you to resign today, today. i also say, i've got a bunch of

requests if i can go ahead, mr. chairman. >> proceed with the request. >> i apologize. i might take a moment. anthony leone, the secret service spokesperson. u.s. secret service previously denied trump request for additional resources. secret service says they denied earlier request. secret service acknowledges denying some pest request by trump's campaign. preliminary findings by senator ron johnson and his committee. >> without objections ordered. >> articles entitled to notice anything different about trump secret service detail." "former audit official must correct himself -- secret service director says the buck stops with her, but she will not resign. disney "star wars" mark hamill cracks joking about assassination attempt. i have been engaged in siding

rhetoric. threat to democracy. who is secret service chief kimberly cheatle? speaking solely responsible for violent rhetoric that led to attempt on his life. video actors pushes conspiracy theory donald trump assassination trip was staged. report secret service identify rooftop as a vulnerability days before the rally. watched blackrock remove ads forming -- what is the buy demonstration have 100% confident secret service after assassination attempt? secret service director, we didn't put snipers on the roof because it was kind of sloped. here is what thomas matthew crooks did in the days leading up to the assassination attempt. the secret service director under scrutiny for diversity initiatives after trump assassination attempt. the official story on trump attempt makes no sense at all. >> point of order. >> you don't want me to read --

is it too tedious? >> we are not really hearing them anyway. it is up to you, mr. chairman. >> i will slow it down. i was probably going to fast. secret service explanation for security failures ahead of trump assassination attempt are not adding up. u.s. reportedly received intel of iranian plot to assassinate president trump. but wt hmo secret service saying that they didn't put any agents on the roof with a slight slope. report, u.s. officials received intel to last night -- assassinate homeland security agency interviewing in-house 'ace assassination investigation. by trump's race-based is triggering to liberal media. questions for the security lapse reviving old concerns about secret service. secret service scrambles to

shift blame after trump shooting as backlash it's hard. nobody contacted me. six camo split screen captures everything shooter was an open two plus minutes. five reasons you should be angry. breaking, shooter spouted up to 30 minutes before firing reported multiple times. pictures taken, no one stopped him. cheatle calls the 30 minutes "a very short. back in time." secret service director says the buck stops with me on trump assassination attempt but won't resign. >> we will stop right there and take them on the next one. i know there are more. without objection, we will enter you into the record all of those and take up the others after the next speaker. the chair recognizes miss brown from ohio for 5 minutes. >> i want to highlight comments. my colleagues on both sides of the aisle, president biden and vice president harris.

that is political violence is completely unacceptable in this country. full's. it is an assault on our democracy itself, and i and devastated by this attack on a candidate for the president for the office on the highest office in the land and continue to pray for the victims of that shooting in their families. as someone who has known gun violence firsthand, no one should have to experience the pain of losing a loved one to weapons of war. it is deeply unfortunate, political violence has become far too common. whether it is the deadly attack on the capitol on january 6th, the assault on speaker pelosi's husband, are the threats of violence against election workers, we all must work to condemn political violence and tone down the rhetoric. director cheatle, on behalf of the hardworking men and women of the secret service, can you give us some perspective as into what

goes into securing an event like the rally? how much time do you have to prepare? >> thank you for the question. generally, when we received notification that there is going to be an event taking place at a venue, the advanced team assignments i made. there is a 5-day process to conduct walk-throughs, coordinate with staff, local staff, and whether it be campaign staff and the protected staff. local law enforcement. where the parameter is going to be, the size and the scope of the event and how many attendees they are going to be. if it is an indoor rally or outdoor rally, that sort of assets are available locally and what sort of assets the secret service can bring to bear. and what the scope of the event that the staff is trying to accomplish. >> to that point, how many agents were recommended or requested as opposed to how many were assigned? >> i'm not going to get into

specifics about how many were assigned. those numbers that were requested were provided. >> how many local agents were involved in the preparation, if you will, that you talked about some of the five day prepa preparation. >> there were a number of local agents from the local office as well as agents from the former speech in detail that were involved in the advanced process. >> do we have a number? >> i do have a number. i'm not going to release that number in this setting. >> you are not making this easy for us. this is a shocking incident on the former president's life and appalling instance of political violence and a threat to our democratic values. i am thankful that the former president is on the mend. i'm grieving for the family and friends of corey comperatore who lost a loved one in this shooting. and now know the unbearable pain of gun violence. i really hope this serves as a

reminder about our responsibility to attack policies, not personalities to be honest and truthful and to treat one another with dignity, respect, and thoughtfulness. with that, i yield my remaining time to ranking member raskin. >> thank you for those very powerful and moving remarks. director cheatle, we don't want to lose a presidential candidate to an ar-15 attack. we cannot lose a presidential candidate doing ar-15 attack. we cannot lose any more citizens to ar-15 mass violence, mass shootings. we certainly don't want an attempted ar-15 assassination or assassination attempt to set off political violence or riots in america. this is deadly serious business. the vice ranking member pointed

out that a report and 60 days won't do it for us, because we have a responsibility. members of congress have a responsibility to take action now if there is anything we can do to prevent us. i question for you is, what is in is informing your operational decisions right now that you have invoked without a report? can you tell us, what are their preliminary judgments. if you don't want to foreshadow the report, fine, what are your professional judgments informing the operational decisions you are making right now? >> certainly. i appreciated that question. i don't want to make any preliminary judgments on what happened on this particular day. i can tell you that we had looked at as we did immediately in the aftermath but the security plan for the republican national convention was going to be. we made adjustments to the

interior of the perimeter there. we look at the protect these that we had here in the washington, d.c., area and are protected sites and did make some adjustments to their security posture. as we continue to move through the next several weeks, even yesterday with the announcement of the president no longer running, we have made adjustments to the vice president's detail. we are prepared for a vice prudential nominee. it shows how dynamic the environment is that this agency works in every day. >> you have made the same kinds of common sense judgments and intuitive recommendations that members of the public and members of congress are asking about right now? thank you. i yield back, mr. chairman. >> i have to say, director, we are pretty close to the halfway point during this period.

you have answered more questions with an abc reporter then you have with members of congress. we have a lot more questions. the american people are demanding answers to these questions. that is what the purpose of this hearing is today. i'm sure a lot of the questions that have already been asked are going to be asked again. hopefully we can get some answers to those questions. i strongly implore you to answer those questions. you are here with a subpoena. we expect you to answer the questions. the chairman recognizes him south carolina. >> director cheatle, the american people are watching. they are wondering if there are any questions you can answer honestly today. so director cheatle, i have a series of questions, very specific questions. i want very specific answers. most of my questions are going to demand a "yes" or "no" answer. you understand? >> i do. >> both sides of the aisle that they have asked for your resignation. would you like to use my

5 minutes to drop to resignation letter? yes or no? >> no, thank you. >> was this a colossal failure? >> it was a failure. >> yes or no, was at a colossal failure? yes or no. this is a "yes" or "no" series of questions good weather this a colossal failure, yes or no? >> yes. >> loves this tragedy preventable? yes or no? >> yes. >> has the secret service been transparent with this committee? >> yes. >> would you say the fact that we had issue a subpoena to get you to show up to date as being transparent? yes or no? >> i have always been -- >> yes or no. we had to issue a subpoena to get you to show up today. that is not transparent by the way. you stated earlier, secret service is not political. is that correct? >> yes. >> would you say leaking your

opening statement dupont's bone news, and "washington post," several hours before you send ie as being political, yes or no? >> i have no idea how my statement got out. >> that is -- mr. chairman, i would like to ask unanimous consent to enter into the record articles by punch bowl news, political playbook "washington post," all done in 5:24 ms 6:12, a solid 304 hours before this committee got your statement. >> without objections ordered. >> is the secret service fully cooperating with our committee? >> yes. >> you say you are fully cooperating with this committee. on july 15th, this committee sent you a list of demands of information that we wanted. as the secret service provided this committee a complete list of all law enforcement personnel that where there that day?

have you done that? >> i will have to get back to you on that. >> that is a no. have you provided video and audio recordings to this committee? >> i have to get back to you -- >> that is a no. you are full of -- you are being completely dishonest. >> mr. chairman -- we have to maintain decorum in this committee no matter how upset we get. b-1 memos to this committee we have asked on july 15th. have you provide memorandums to the secret service? that is a no. you are being dishonest or lying. you're being dishonest with this committee. these are important questions that the american people want answers to. you are just dodging. and talking around it in generalities. we had to subpoena you and you won't even answer the questions. we have asked you repeatedly to answer our questions. this isn't hard. these are not hard questions. have you provided us all

communications from the secret service related to that day and that rally? we have asked for this information on july 15th. have you provide any of this information that this committee has asked of the secret service, any of it? >> i will have to get back to you. >> have you even read this letter that we sent you? >> yes. >> you have said you don't know. you have no idea. the answer is no. we haven't gotten a single document or piece of information or data from you or your agency and related to the rally that we have asked you for. was this attempted assassination of donald trump a failure of training or execution or both? >> i think those are answers -- >> training, execution, or both? how many secret service personnel have lost their jobs due to this colossal failure? >> at this time, none.

>> how many secret service personnel have been required to take a refresher course on how not to let people shoot donald trump? >> our personnel are currently operational. we're examining the facts of this investigation. we will make the changes necessary. >> what's on the law enforcement become aware that there was an individual with a clear line of sight of president trump? >> i am still verifying timelines. >> of -- how many minutes? >> i am still verifying -- >> 57 minutes. thank you, mr. chairman, and i yield back. >> before i recognized mrs. stansberry, i want to recognize unanimous consent. >> i beg your indulgence. i meant to do this earlier. i would like to have unanimous consent that it be submitted for the record the 2023 ranking best and worst workplaces in the

federal government, compounded by the office of personal management which shows the united states secret service coming in again as i said earlier, 413th out of 459 sub agencies. this appears in the july 17th addition of -- >> without objections, ordered. >> thank you, mr. chairman. you know, i want to start by just saying that part of why you have bipartisan agreement here about this severity and importance of this hearing is because this is not just a single shooting. this is not about national security and the security of our democracy. it is not just one operational failure. this is about our public official safe. what does that signal to our country into the world about american security and the ability of our officials to do their job safely?

i want to start by saying thank you to all our brave men and women who are in the uniform whether it is a secret service or local law enforcement who put their lives on the line. i think obviously, we honor their service. this is really about operational failures and what it means for our country at large. i also want to reaffirm that we must condemn unequivocally political violence of any kind. violence of any kind, not just political violence. it cannot be tolerated in this democracy. and also to offer my prayers for the slain fire chief corey comperatore and also prayers for those who have been injured. i think, you know if some tone of this hearing is, how is it that a 20-year-old young man with a gun that was illegally held back legally purchased by his father good on a day by a really, legally purchased

ammunition, show up to a secured site, and then not only attempt an assassination of a political figure but killed and injured 2 of others. how could this happen? i am not asking yet. i think we have not a lot of testimony here today. i want to talk a little bit about the timeline. here is what we know. i know, director, you are also on the call that we had a few days ago with the fbi and other law enforcement. i expect that you are not able to share based on your testimony some of the details that are currently being investigated. i know you are on the call, because i heard you on the call, and you heard them. i'm going to lay out the timeline a little bit. on july 3rd, the rally was announced that it was going to be in butler. on july 6, 3 days later, we know that the shooter searched for dates for trump and dnc events. on july 7th -- this is 4 days after the announcement.

this shooter went to this site. he actually physically went to the site. on july 12, the shooter went to a gun range where he and his dad regularly go and practiced shooting. and then next day on july 13th, he we know that he then went and searched online for a gun store where he went and he purchased 50 rounds of ammunition, went home, and got his father's ar -- which was legally purchased, and return to the menu. at 5:00 p.m. that evening -- this is more than an hour before donald trump actually took the stage that evening. local law enforcement is made aware -- we are made aware that there was a suspicious man. at 5:20, local law enforcement flag that he had a range finder. they radioed their concerns and

center around pictures of the individual. at 5:40, 20 minutes before local law enforcement actually identify the shooter, and at 5:51, secret service was notified of the suspicious person by the state police. one minute later, they distributed that information. that was before donald trump even took the stage. 11 minutes before he took the stage. the secret service was aware that there was a suspicious person. at 6:03, he took the stage. rally goers as was shown in the video identified this gentle climbing on the roof. at 6:11, three shots were heard, three rounds of shots. and of course, the president and the other victims were shot. this shooter was a 20-year-old young man. no criminal record, legally purchased a gun and ammunition who for days in the lead up to

this shooting was searching "mass shooters." he had a picture of a mast shooter on his cell phone the day of the shooting. he searched for explosives. he searched high level offi officials. so, the american people want to know, how did a 20-year-old young man with access to a military style weapon actually bring it onto an unsecured perimeter -- who four days had been planning a mass shooting event? and i think that, madame director, with all due respect, the answer is that we have received here in this hearing today are completely unsatisfactory. how could this happen? we need answers. we need answers, not just for the family members of the gentleman who was killed, and

those who were injured, but we need answers for democracy. as others have stated here today, we are in a highly politically charged environment right now. we are only weeks away from one of the most significant presidential elections in american history. it is clear that our public officials and safety has not been secured. and it is not just a matter of one shooting. it is a matter of national security. so i hope that you will take our comments to heart. i hope that there will be accountability. and we need answers. and with that, i yield back. >> thank you, mr. chairman. director cheatle, i have a question right off the bat. something you have bragged about repeatedly is you have increased protection for the 36 individuals that the secret service is entrusted with. is that correct this to mark >> i think i stated that we have 36

protect these, we continue to make evaluations on where these levels of protection are provided. >> you have mentioned specific increases protection that you have provided for some of those individuals, correct? based on what? >> some of it has been as a result of the tragic incident that occurred on the 13th. we went back and reassess where we were at in providing protection and wanted to assure that we were not overlooking anything, considering this most recent incident. >> the secret service needed to learn that allowing a rooftop 150 yards away from a protect e, not putting that in the perimeter and not having someone guarding that roof, that information is new to you and is cause you to increase protection to other folks under your care? >> i think it is prudent after any incident that occurs to go back and take a look at your current practices and see if there is anything that needs to be done differently. >> it is inconsistent.

what you said earlier to mr. turner was that the protection that you were offering to president trump was in line with the current threats, him being a former president and nominee of a major political party. the production providing him is adequate. you stand by the statement? >> yes. >> okay. do you think it is a problem that the americans trusted in the federal government is an all-time low? is that a problem? >> i think it is unfortunate. >> i don't know why you are quibbling with my word. is it a problem or not? >> the american public deserves to have trust in their federal government. >> it is a simple question. are you concerned about the increasing prevalence of conspiracy theories going on on? >> yes. >> i am come too. you have been incredibly inconsistent with your answers before this committee today and what you have been willing to reveal. you have acknowledge that the

shooter was identified with a range finder and the protection was sufficient and certain details were erroneously reported, and your words. but you haven't been willing to provide any information about the decision to place the building in question outside the perimeter, the explosives used in the shooter's vehicle, the use of a drone by the shooter, or when exactly the secret service identified that shooter as a threat rather than merely suspicious. what is your standard today or what you are willing to answer and what you are not? you have been inconsistent. >> i am certain that you can understand that some of the information that has been provided to you thus far has come from the fbi's investigation and has come from information that we have released. i want to make sure than information that is being provided to this committee is consistent and is factual. >> a question about the drone that the chairman asked at the beginning of the hearing. he said do you know this information? you acknowledge that you know the information you don't you just don't want to tell the

spirit my question is, if you wanted to wait until the end of the investigation to draw conclusions -- which you have knowledge you are not. you are drawing conclusions right now and making changes. if you want to wait to the investigation and draw conclusions, at least you would be consistent in that. but what we are wanting to know today and what will it dispel some of the conspiracy theories out there, what would increase trust with the american people is for you to let facts out, for you to tell us what you know. and i want to understand from you, why is that a problem? why is it inconsistent with a quality investigation to the release to the american people today at least the information that you know for sure? because you certainly know for sure more information that you are willing to give us today. >> i have released that there was a failure, and that there are gaps that we need to make sure that they don't happen again. >> that is not acceptable. that is not enough. that doesn't quell any conspiracy theories out there.

and you're 27 years of experience, would you have been concerned about an elevation location within 150 yards that did not have a secret service's presence based your experience? >> i can tell you that every site and every venue -- >> no, i am asking for your experience looking at this situation, would that have been of concern to you or would you have agreed that it is fine and doesn't need to be covered? you are not going to answer. is it true that it 5:45:00 p.m. 18 minutes before president trump took the stage that beaver county emergency services unit noticed that shooter on the roof and photographed him? is that a fact or not? >> that is the information that i have from the fbi's report. yes. >> you haven't been willing to share when this was communicated. i would like to get into the difference between suspicious activity and threatening activity. it is suspicious or threatening if an individual is seen around the perimeter with a range finder? is that just suspicious? >> that could be time to

suspicious. >> if the same individual is found on their rooftops, as that still just suspicious, or is that considered threatening? >> that could be termed as suspicious. >> my time is over. mr. chairman, i yelled back. >> thank you. the chair recognizes mr. frost from florida. >> i want to start by stressing that political violence is always unacceptable in acknowledging that this is an ongoing investigation. oversight hearings like this are essential components of an investigation. i want to thank the chair for pulling this together. adam director, i appreciate you for being here. serious questions about the efficacy and thoroughness of the security protocols in place. the gravity of the fact that an unsophisticated gunman was able to secure his perch and take a shot at a former president despite multiple layers of security and intelligence are not lost on me. before i came to congress, i used to work advanced for a

major political candidate and have interacted with many different law enforcement agencies on large political events like the one that just happened. how many times was a secret service i learned about a suspicious person at the july 13th campaign event prior to the first shot being shot? >> i don't have an exact number to share with you today. from what i have been able to discern somewhere betwee between 2 and 5 times there was communication about a suspicious individual. >> to the secret service specifically. according to reports, the shooter was photographed twice by security officers. a police officer saw the shooter on the ground and reported him with a photograph as a suspicious person. multiple local law enforcement officers identified that shooter, radio that he was acting suspiciously near the events. a local law enforcement tactical team saw that shooter on the roof and notified other security

services and also photographed him. one police officer who was photographed -- who photographed that shooter saw him scoping out the roof and carrying a range finder. my question -- why are you haven't answered this? why wasn't the event caused right then? >> again, i am not clear on the timeline of when the secret service shift and the counter sniper were notified. >> earlier, madame director can you said that the secret service would have pause the rally if they identified a threat. >> correct. >> why wasn't it posed? >> i have to assume that they did not know that there was a threat when they brought the president out on the stage. >> i feel like this is a breakdown in communication between local law enforcement, you all come and other actors at the rally. as someone who has worked on these, i understand that there's multiple people with multiple decision with the ability to make different decisions on the

ground. i have taken over the last week, i'm spoken with a lot of folks and local law enforcement in my district across the country that i'm working with before and other people in front of concerns around being able to communicate secret service during these big events and having their flags taken seriously. i do believe that if secret service believes there was a legitimate threat that they would have pause the rally. my concern is before that. something was flagged, and it wasn't taken as seriously as it should have been taken. i think this shows an issue with communication. i want to know what you intend to do to fix that. not in 60 days, but now we are we are in the middle of a presidential election. a former president who had an assassination attempt another rally goer who was killed due to this gun violence. we now have a presumptive nominee, the democratic party is a story. the first black woman to be

running for president. i am worried about everybody's life. what do y'all intend to do to fix this communication breakdown and making sure that you actually take what local law enforcement, local folks are saying more seriously? >> we take what local law enforcement relates to seriously. let me just be clear on that. as far as the communication. >> not this time. >> we always trust our law enforcement partners and have a great relationship with them. we are looking at whether or not there was a communication breakdown. if that was the case, we will take steps to ensure that we correct that, because to your point, we cannot have a communication breakdown. >> madame director, you have mentioned that the perimeter of the event did not include the rooftop. where the shooter was. that is your responsibility in the secret service's responsibility to protect a principle stop at the perimeter of an event? >> our responsibility is to

ensure the safety and security of the event itself and the proprotectee. >> the fact that the rooftop was outside the perimeter is not an excuse for what happened. saying it was outside the perimeter of the event. >> i am not offering that as an excuse. >> thank you. i yelled back. >> >> hounded a 20-year-old loner with a week's notice take the absolute location to assassinate trump when the entire secret service missed it? in your leadership, your agency got outsmarted and outmaneuvered by a 20-year-old. how can we have any confidence that you can stop trained professionals? >> those are absolutely questions. >> i know they are questioned through the fact of the matters we can have that confidence. you have the director ability to beef up security of any of your protectees? >> yes, i do.

>> where you are aware that there was a credible threat facing a heightened security threat due to a foreign adversary? >> yes. >> given that there was an increased threat to president trump's life, was he provided a full complement similar to what a u.s. president would receive? >> he was provided a full complement of security based on the threat assessment that we had. >> that is not my question. my question is if he was listening resident when he had had the same security or would have been beefed up? >> there is a difference -- >> the answer is he didn't. so he did not. there wasn't a full c.a.t. team on site. there were counter surveillance teams on site. this is the thing. you just said he had the ability to beef up the security. he knew about the threat. and you didn't. that is as telling as it is chilling. we have satellite images from the fairgrounds. have you visited the site?

>> no, we have not. >> 9 days and you haven't visited the site. you should have been there that night. that evening did you talk to the team and heroes that surrounded the president? did you call them that night? >> they were still opera operational -- >> that is a no. did you call them the next day, the very next day or was it 72 hours afterward? >> i don't know the timeline. >> you are under oath. you waited three days. immediately clear that there are a number of structures that needed to be secured. of these other than the first immediate 4, what is the most dangerous site that should have been secured? security 101, you got to mitigate the high ground. >> yes. >> do you know what the next most dangerous site, what was the closest structure to the president other than the 4 immediate was that you had your counter sniper teams on? >> there are a number of structures around that event site. >> the shooter knew where the shooter has visited the site two

more times than you have. he had a drone and picked the arg building. your member and an abc interview that you did that you didn't have people on the roof of the arg building because you were worried about the safety of the slope? >> i recall that statement. >> does the secret service have written policy you can share with us about slope roofs? >> no. >> why did you act like there was one? is it your practice to comment on enormous events of an enormous national implications when you are ignorant of the facts? that is rhetorical. here is this thing with the slopes. 18, 12, you can go to 112 which is about as flat as you can get without being completely flat. you are saying that there was a safety concern there. the problem is, director, you put your counter sniper is on a 312 roof which is steeper than the 112. the 112 is compliant. you can build a ramp or a wheelchair on a 112 roof.

these are nothing but pathetic excuses. they make no sense. all the law enforcement i have spoken with over the last 9 days are a mage at the arg rooftop is not secure, because it is dangerous. i have never had any long gun training in my life. i own an ar-15 for the last time i shot it, i shot at one time. it was six years ago until saturday where we recreated events in texas. we recreated what happened in butler. i was lying prone on a sloped root at 6:30 at night. i knew he had a scope but i didn't know what kind of a red dot. i shot eight rounds from both. you know what the result was? 15 out of 16 kilos shots. the one i missed would have hit the presidency here where that's a 94% success rate. that shooter was a better shot at me. it is a miracle president trump wasn't killed. corey comperatore's life is over because that shooter made it

onto the roof. it was a nut job on top of the roof. what is dangerous, your horrifying ineptitude and lack of skilled leadership is a disgrace. you're obfuscating today is shameful. you should be fired immediately and go back to -- i yield back. >> thank you mr. chairman. i would like to thank the chair and ranking member of our coming together in holding this hearing. i have to say, i don't think any of our concerns have been addressed today. what little we have learned has not inspired much confidence. i will just say that we obviously can't allow the violence we are saying in this country become the norm are commonplace. that seems to be where we are heading. in this occasion, it was very shockingly a former president and the current political candidate at a rally that we all assume is one of the most secure places we can be. the violence we saw on that saturday is the same culture of violence that makes too many of

our kids and community members feel unsafe to play outside or go to class or to simply live their lives each day. this was a political rally. it is supposed to be one of the most secure places. we have very specific questions about that. i would like to start by following up on some of my colleagues questions. my colleagues highlighted a number of points that show that shooter presenting an active threat. i would like to ask you to clarify what the protocol is for postponing or canceling an event based on the threat and how the events on july 13th didn't meet those standards. >> i think we are talking about the distinction between suspicious behavior and a threat. at that time, this individual was identified, they were displaying suspicious behavior. i am still waiting for interviews from the fbi to determine what it was that identified that individual suspicious an end what those behaviors were. >> suspicious behavior vary

between different events? if we have an event with a president, whether or not be a heightened standard for suspicious behavior? >> i think there are a number of ways that someone could be identified as suspicious. it doesn't matter whether it is not a rally or an indoor event or who the protectee is. i think it is up to law enforcement or citizens to identify someone as suspicious. >> thank you. according to "the associated press," six different agencies including sheriff's office, local police, state police as well as fire and emergency rescue were involved in securing the rally in butler. when there are so many teams collaborating, who takes the lead? >> the secret route service is responsibility for the security of the site. >> changing gears. in 2024's appropriation budget, the secret service was given a little over $3 billion. $78 million above what was requested.

you have requested another increase. how much of these funds goes towards training and improving protection procedures? >> i would have to get back to you on the training aspect of it but i'm about 30% of our budget is for protection and facilities and training. >> clearly of a problem can't be a lack of funding. what exactly do you see as the core problem that led to this failure that led to your agency being outgunned by a 20-year-old using his father's gun and acting on his own without a particularly sophisticated planner technology? >> i think that we are waiting to determine exactly what those failures or failure was so that we can make sure that the secret service is stronger after this. >> we have heard a lot today that you can't answer because it is an ongoing investigation that you are still figuring out the details and that you won't answer basic questions. you said 60 days for the investigation. i simply don't think that is

acceptable. do you really plan to keep avoiding questions and the american people's questions for the next 60 days? >> i am not avoiding questions. i want to make sure i am providing factual and accurate information. >> certainly. is there no in between between what is obviously a fact and what you can surmise from the details that you already have? >> i assure you when i have a full and complete report of what took place on that day, i will certainly come back and make that available. >> studies indicate that the united states is increasing increasing level of violence. how is the secret service adapting his strategies and protocols to account for increasing political violence? >> we are constantly evaluating the threats that we received an monitoring that. we make adjustments on a daily basis to our protectees based on

what those threats are and what actions we need to take. >> yes or no, do you believe stricter controls on the availability of assault weapons to make it easier to protect public officials? >> i think the secret service is tasked with providing a safe environment -- which is why we put into place a number of mitigation factors. >> do assault weapons make it easier or harder for you to do your job? >> i think any weapon makes it difficult for us to do our job. >> i yield back. >> mr. donald's from florida. >> thank you, chairman. director, real quick, what time was secret service aware of the active threat against president trump? director? what time? >> the secret service was aware that there was an individual who had been identified as suspicious. that individual --

>> at what time? >> i don't have a specific timeline. >> directory it has been 9 days. what time? >> i want to make sure i give you factual information. >> director, have you talked to the agents on the ground that day? we have talked to all of them? your senior team has talked to every agent that was on the ground the day? have they all cooperated the same time they identified the shooter or made aware of that shooter either by attendees in the crowd or local police department? >> there are a number of reports of when those times were made. >> was at 5 minutes before the first shot rang out? >> no. >> was at 10 minutes before the first shot rang out? >> was a 15 minutes? >> it was less than that time frame when it identified as a threat. >> how many days before the shooting took place to the secret service to their advanced work to secure the facility that the rally was going to be held

at? >> 5 days. >> when the security advanced team did their work, did they identify the rooftop as a potential threat? >> i am pulling those reports. >> it has been 9 days. did they notice a roof top 150 yards away that was a potential threat? yes or no mr. mark >> i am certain that the rooftop was noticed. >> what was the security parameters about securing that rooftop? why did they do? >> there was overwatch provided for that rooftop. >> did overwatch bail? >> i am waiting to hear what the results of the investigation where so i could identify where the failure was. >> who did you talk to that was on the ground that day and was responsible for overwatch? what are their names? >> i am not going to provide their names in this setting. >> did you talk to the people providing overwatch that day?

>> i'll talk to people that conducted the events that day and were working that shift and where the counter sniper is that day. >> you talk to the counter sniper team and premeeting provided overwatch and advanced team. correct? what did they tell you? >> we are putting together a comprehensive report so that i can identify exactly where the gaps in the failures -- >> when the counter sniper team was on the roof, and they identified that there was a suspicious activity the roof in question, what was that chain of command's orders around the person on the roof? i am quite sure that somebody saw under your organization, the secret service, i am quite sure that somebody saw the shooter on the roof. what was that communication through the chain of command to deal with this person? >> what i can tell you is when the individual was identified by

the counter sniper, they took one shot and neutralize that individual. >> that was after this shooter already took a shot. is that correct? >> that is correct. >> what you are saying right now is that the secret service did not see the shooter on the roof until after the shooter took a shot. >> i do not have all of those details at this time. >> if you don't have those details after 9 days, what you are telling me is that you didn't see it. is that correct? >> i don't have all the details of the sequence at this time. >> it has been 9 days. either you have the information or you do not. is that correct? >> we are still in the process of conducting interviews and investigation. >> my colleagues have texted me bipartisan over the last couple of days over where you should lose your job. i have been quiet on the question. because i wanted to see what you were going to do today. in my opinion, you do need to be fired immediately.

and it is because this is gross incompetence. the fact that it has been 9 days -- these are simple questions to answer. i'm quite sure if i ask any one of my kids if they got in trouble and told me to give them the details, i would get more answers from them and i'm getting from you right now. that is what is frustrating on a bipartisan basis, on a nonpartisan basis. this is a joke. director, you are in charge. that is why you need to go. mr. chairman, >> mr. goldman from new york. >> thank you, mr. chairman. direct air, i want to follow up and just understand a little bit why there is so much information about this out in the public, including some from you and your communications team, and yes, you are here pursuant to a subpoena under oath in front of

congress, and you are unable or unwilling to answer some of the same questions. can you just explain why you are answering so many fewer questions here then you have to the media? >> i am answering the questions that i am able to answer based on the fact that there are multiple ongoing investigations. >> but you have answered some of these questions previously. correct? to the public, to the media. >> which questions? >> did you have an interview with "abc news"? >> yes, i did. >> did you explain the interaction between local law enforcement and the secret service and then local law enforcement was responsible for securing the perimeter of the building where the shooter was? >> i said that the secret service is responsible for designing and implementing and executing -- >> she went from running pepsi

to running the united states secret service. she had been an agent previously for more than 2 decades with that service. today, she sounds like she doesn't know very much. that is the director of the secret service kimberly cheatle whom senators tried to track down and went after at the rnc convention, because she showed up unannounced there. she said it was about thanking her partners in the benefactors and supporters of the uss s. they subpoenaed her to make sure she would show up in the house and she did with a couple of familiar lines. she doesn't know much. she will get back to you. this is "outnumbered." i am harris faulkner. i immediately want to go to something that will interest you. this woman who is in charge of the secret service that was so porous with failures 9 days ago, this woman was in charge of that mission. and the mission failed. by the grace of god. the nation's former 45th

president donald trump is still alive today. you would think she would want to go to the site. she has not. let's roll that fresh video now of the house of representatives who have gone to the very sight. our drone has captured this brand-new video of them climbing around and see where that shooter was. understanding that they were able to not just go to one site and not just see how that person climbed up. but also, where was the secret service perched? how slow it really where the rooftops? there is so much information that they can gather. they are walking all over the place with really not any problems. it begs the question. as talented and gifted ae counter sniper's would be, you don't think they could lay on a sloped roof and take out another guy on a sloped roof, we know they can. there is the infamous letter. we are seeing this for the very first time. bill hemmer is with me and our team here. we are seeing this for the very

first time together. this is a treasure trove of experience now touching and being able to put yourself in the environment of what that would be assassin was in before he took a kill shot -- which mr. donald trump. it hit him, but he did not kill him. >> good afternoon, harris. i don't have a good answer for you. christopher wray is scheduled for a hearing on wednesday of this week. planned before the incident in butler, pennsylvania, 9 days ago. i don't get it. with regard to lawmakers, i think they are taking this very seriously. early on, some of the democratic lawmakers referring to gun control. in the past hour, that is not been the focus of the conversation. shout out for the represents out of massachusetts. i don't know how she survives. i thought the democrat from new mexico did a very good job of taking us through all the

details. she ended with a question. a republican from texas represents an area northeast of dallas. he is an air force captain. that is his training. i thought he put a motion to the moment, because had that shooter been successful, we would not be sitting on the scouts today. we would be on fifth avenue covering a national funeral. this country would have been in a downward spiral for years to come. thank god donald trump survived. thank god the cop in butler, pennsylvania, got on the roof to distract him. paul morrow came back in said earlier that the local police in butler believed that through him off his rhythm. perhaps hurried his shots, and in effect, save donald trump's life. >> we are also joined today by carley shimkus, kaylee mcgee white, marie harf, and of course bill hemmer that you just heard whom you just heard from.

i want to get to this and come straight you, marie. alexandria ocasio-cortez, you saw democrats shift from all of the gun talk at the beginning. guns where the big problem here. the politics started to fall away when everybody in the room had to have realized when everybody in america who is watching this realized, this woman is neither hiding the truth or doesn't have access to the truth. the big question to both of those would be, well, why? >> i have prepped a lot of people for congressional hearings. you don't go up there without having answers to questions you know you will get. she knew what the questions would be. i cannot remember the last time, harris, that we had a congressional hearings were democrats and republicans agreed on so much. where there will not a lot of theatrics. for the most part, they agreed that there had been a failure.

they want answers and pressing for accountability. we are heading into the last three months of the presidential election. tensions are high. people are polarized. american people want to know that the secret service can do their job. >> i mentioned aoc, the new york congresswoman. she pressed director kimberly cheatle on why the perimeter around the former president donald trump, while the perimeter inside was so small. watch. >> how far away was that building from the president? >> it was approximately 200 yards. >> and ar-15 has a range of 400-600 yards. my question is why does the secret service perimeter -- why is the secret service protective perimeter shorter than one of the most popular semiautomatic weapons of the united states? >> there are a number of weapons out there with a number of

ranges. again, an advance was completed. >> all right, let's go straight to representative mike turner out of ohio who called cheatle incompetent. >> directors 15, because donald trump is alive and thank god he is, you look incompetent. if donald trump had been killed, you would have looked culpable. there is no aspect of this that indicates that there has been any protection to donald trump. the threat was identified before he took the stage. the shooter was only killed after donald trump himself was -- not only should you resign if he refused to do so, president biden needs to fire you. because his life, donald trump's life and all the other people that you protect are at risk because you have no concept of the aspect that the security footprint needs to be >> no mincing words. >> no mincing words and a few

headlines initially her opening statement, last assertive statement is the most operational failure they have made in decades. she offered her condolences and took full response before the failure. she said you move heaven and earth to make sure it doesn't happen again. outside of that she has not said much which is why you see some aggression for members of congress because to your point, bill, about pat phelan. he became emotional because he mentioned the name. there is a family. the reason she's not answering questions and the reason she's saying this is an ongoing investigation is because she knows the answers will make the secret service looked very bad and she is using this as a cover for her. >> but if she doesn't come forth with the truth and she doesn't fix things immediately come all

you heard representative turner say absolutely true. they were saying it's dangerous a spot we are and if she is in charge. quickly, the other igniting point in all of this was she might have answers in 60 days. >> and representative ro khanna made a great point when he was asking her about the reagan assassination attempt and he said it what did the director of the secret service to do after that attempt? he resigned. and his point was good which is a he resigned because he had lost the confidence of not just the government officials that they are sworn to protect but to the american people. and this is a point that we often forget. we can go back to the afghanistan withdrawal how no one was fired from that. it seems like a lot of government officials nowadays have forgotten who they are supposed to serve. you serve at the privilege and the pleasure of the american taxpayers and if we do not have confidence in your abilities to do your job, you should resign.

you don't deserve the job. he made that point. this is so much bigger than just this assassination attempt. this is about the trust and the confidence of t the american people. >> that example of kay stewart knight who was on the watch when an attempted assassination happened with ronald reagan. him stepping aside almost immediately was what he expected her to do. that's what was said to kimberly cheadle today. we have 20 seconds left. do you think she will quit? >> after today? maybe. but then again, for lack of a subpoena she doesn't show up today. she's back tomorrow to and the house homeland security committee. i would imagine the same tone will happen tomorrow. but again on wednesday morning christopher bray, maybe he brings answers that america wants to know. >> kimberly cheadle probably and one of the most uncomfortable seats in america right now. not answering questions. "america reports" now.