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>> kim questioned. >> question. >> very qualified hit but kimberly finally resigned as head of the secret service. the security failings in butler, pennsylvania where the marksman, stuck out trump at best you should argue she should have done this much sooner. in a day and age very few people resign or biden fires and nobody this was a good signal to a public they would like to see a lot more accountability from its officials. >> right thank you kim, thank you all. remember if you have your own hit or miss send it to us. that's it for this week show thanks to my panel and especially all of you for watching. we hope to see you right here next week. ♪ we begin this hour it were about to hear from former president trump he speaking
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right now in asheville. bitcoin conference and could make a major announcement on his plans for crypto and bitcoin if he wins a second term in the white house brittle bringing those remarks in just a moment. hello everyone i am eric shawn this is a brand-new hour of "fox news live." arthel: hello eric, hello everyone i am arthel neville. now embrace the same crypto currency once denounced as quote a scam. mr. trump's speech as part listen to some of his remarks when he takes the stage. eric: kelly o'grady is there in the halls of nashville the president just beginning to speak. kelly, what is this all about? >> this is about courting the crypto community. i can tell you he just took the stage. he was a little bit late made us
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all wait he is exactly an hour late. then when he he is planning to bring out a special guest. there is speculation, there are rumors that might be elon musk. let me tell you, if your cordate to the crypto community there is no better way. eric: having some trouble with kelley's live shot let's listen to the former president who just took the stage at the conference. >> it wish them a lot of luck this happened as i'm walking on the stage. he probably, most of you have heard about it it is a terrible thing. but i am thrilled to be here in nashville to become the first american president ever to address a bitcoin event anywhere in the world. [cheering] anywhere in the world. i want to thank david bailey for inviting me. he's a special diet.
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[cheering] this whole olivera started with david about four months ago was at mar logout took a picture with him for he is a nice looking guy, he is okay. he is out here someplace. i took a picture, got published trump and david bailey. all is said in your industry went to the roof. so congratulations whatever you do you did a heckuva job. but, as well as all the bitcoin luminaries and legends you have alleges in this room. it really are congratulations with that lege the legends plead everyone is standing anyway. that is nice i used to say sit down everybody, sit down but it's nice when they stand including tyler and cameron dididwho that is? [cheering] 's are great guys look like a mail models with a brain, you know? mail models of the big beautiful brain. michael's sailor is here.
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[cheering] kathy wood, kathy would ron paul and rand paul are here. the vegas here. where is he? there is. he is great. amanda, i called bob you probably know as kid rock. where is kid rock? where is he, he is great. arthel: kid rock is there some other folks the former president shouting out there at the bitcoin cover the code that mail models with the big beautiful brain some niceties exchange their before they get into the real deal but will get back to that for you in a moment. meanwhile here's vice president kamala harris. regard ministration has forgiven student loan debt for nearly 5 million americans.
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twice as much of our public forc servants including our teachers. again vice president presumptive democratic nominee addressing american federation for mark on student debt forgiveness and other economic plans. this inflation finally cools the cash register will bring in gina marx. small business expert we will start here what is working and what needs to be improved thank you for having me on not everyone will agree gdp is up on an annualized level. many months of gdp growth.
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he remains at historical lows as well. other factors like consumer spending, even the banks themselves and they release the earnings a couple of weeks ago no one was raising any red flags. so, when you look at the overall economy itself it is good. as you said in the introduction there are many consumer struggling. when you consider is that what is the disconnect? what economic track should've vice president harris continue should she win and how can she improve the u.s. economy. you are saying it's really good but you people still feeling the pinch if you will preach how to connect those dots? books not really good but pretty good. there's a little bit of a difference in that. here is what the disconnect is. obviously we still have a little sticky inflation that is sticking around. we have high interest rates. very much so in the past 20
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years. people are looking for mortgages playing pain close to 20% the cost of housing is right now and historical highs and housing affordability is out of reach for a lot of americans. just going to a grocery store people trying to catch up with what is happened with inflation. what has happened is in the past three years inflation has gone up so much so quickly people have not had a chance to keep up. inflation is barely keeping up with that as well for it as good as we see the economy there are challenges facing all of us as consumers. what a president harris could do president harris' got to keep issues elected would have to keep that his pro-business low tax high growth environment. unfortunately that is not the rhetoric we are hearing from her right now. i think that's going to be a big
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challenge to win over the business community as she continues on this campaign. >> what are we hearing from her that is throwing up a red flag for you? >> if you are a worker or employee there is certainly good news in the sense president harris wants to continue making the department of labor, the ftc and other agencies stronger with more regulations to protect workers. we are saying that our rating increased overtime pay. we are seeing that with more regulation independent contractors, non- compete agreement and things that are designed to help workers but really at the expense of business for the other thing president harris is doing which is what president biden did is she talks about raising taxes on the rich. raising tax on the wealthy letting things like former president trump tax cuts and job act expire. a lot is going to expire in
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2025. if that happens a lot of people a lot of businesses wo we payina lot more taxes. if businesses are going to invest in this country they need to fill certain they have a government behind them that is pro-business and a low cost low tax low regulatory and they will take more risks. if they do that they will hire more employees and hopefully grow. vice president harris right now are behind and doing things i don't think we will be. >> you look at the latest fox news poll voters and michigan, minnesota, pennsylvania and wisconsin you will see an average of 36% saying the economy is the voters top issue. so you were talking about what advice to be president kamala harris would be should she wait wentyou she could fall into some
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problems if she were to stay and tax more of the rich. now president trump, if he becomes president again those bring in revenue for the country. without the taxes and the revenue the debt goes up. i am a bit confused on what works. >> first of all if president trump does not become president and vice president harris becomes president might taxes personally will go up about 30% i am not alone when i speak for many small business owners around this country. many of the tax deductions and benefits we have had since 2017 are going to be going away. you take a wait 30% of someone's income someone's capitol they don't have that money to reinvest to hire employees to grow their companies. it hurts it hurts a lot.
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if that were to happen it's the biggest expense you pay because of the tax legislation expires is going to have an enormous impact on future investment in future hiring. one of the reasons the economy's been doing so well really over the past seven or eight years, a lot of it has to do with been trelatively low tax environment. it's mitigated we've seen businesses have. my hope is that president harris again vice president harris if she is reelected i'm not confident in that. we'll see more regulations but will create more challenges and businesses. >> will be watching out for that. thank you we interrupted the president the former president only because he had not got into the nuts and bolts of that conference yet. you are not more important than him, don't forget that. [laughter]
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>> no one would think that, no one would think that. >> probably heard israel was just attacked very severely attacked. and this is things that will not happen. they have to respect us. they cannot do this. what they did just now with that attack is terrible it just happened. and so to all, god bless everybody. this is so serious they have to respect our country. this would never have happened with us. and we cannot let it continue. we just wish them all a lot of luck this happened as i'm walking on the stage. you probably, most of you have heard about it is a terrible thing. >> former president trump a few moments ago during the bitcoin conference announcing has blot
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rocket attack happened this morning israel. ten people were killed including children because those children were playing soccer and the rockets at the soccer field right in the middle of their game. the former president will head from the bitcoin conference up to minnesota for a rally tonight he is having with his running mate jd vance. has not voted for republican president in decades. both are hoping to flip this year at fox news poll does show vice president harris' leading mr. trump by six points. madison is at the sight of the rally in st. cloud, minnesota has been talking with folks lining up outside waiting for the event. >> we have made our way outside. we spent all morning out so the voters that have been lined up for hours. they are energized to return to former president donald trump back to the oval office's space for 6000 people based on the lines we saw outside there's a
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good chance people will have to be turned away. there is such enthusiasm at this rally for the former president. but like you said when you take a look at the state as a whole hour polling shows a different story for taking a look at the vp harris she is pulling ahead with 52% preferring her. on the land of 10,000 lakes support the current vp with 63% polling for her. female voters here tell us former president trump is a stronger pic when it comes to an issue that matters a lot to them. >> look at food prices, gas prices, mothers, women have to go and pay those prices. things were much better three and half or four years ago. we felt that, we feel it every time i go to the grocery store and the gas station. >> even though the state is not voted for republican for president since 1972, crowds
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here are motivated to change that pattern. people lined up over 24 hours to go to get into this event it still is not even started. minnesota voters are showing as they are active this year a majority saying they are likely to vote come this november. harris leads by seven points we met voters here at both the motivated and females harris gender is not the deciding factor i would be all for a woman in the white house just taught her she is not the woman for the job. we showed you from jd vance 6:0. local former president donald trump. but we know things are a bit behind in nashville so we are expecting a delay here as well but does not stop the party these folks have been out here like i said some of them already
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for 24 hours for the just excited to hear the former president. stay eric: a few hours will be e in person madison thank you. meanwhile the olympic controversy, new calls to boycott the games after the opening sarah might feature drag queens and others who appeared to mock the last supper. one the bishop responded to the controversy going viral enjoins us next with this criticism here on "fox news live." when you're a small business owner, your to-do list can be...a lot. ♪ [ cellphone whooshes ] [ sighs ] that's why progressive makes it easy to save with a commercial auto quote online so you can take on all your others to-dos. already did. see if you could save at progressivecommercial.com.
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arthel: tragic news and the music world three members of the famed gospel music quartet were killed in a plane crash in wyoming yesterday the groups cofounder kelly nelson clark her husband jason and their youngest daughter amber were among seven people killed in the crash. amber's husband three family and friends were also killed. they were all in route to seattle to play at a cruise. the national transportation safety board is investigating what caused this tragic crash. backlashes of brewing for the olympics over last night's opening ceremonies some drag queens appeared to do a parody of the last supper. critics say it mocked christianity. organizers say that was not
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their intent. stephanie bennett is a live in london with the latest on this. >> yes it was an eventful first date to the olympics if you do say of course you had the train attack starting off and then you had torrential down borings of rain from time to time for it we are also seeing a mixed reaction on social media across the world today to some of those performances at the opening ceremony. online critics say many drag performance the beheading of marie antoinette and the rab reimagining of this last supper performance in particular were described as hyper sexualized and making fun of christianity but here in the uk # boycott the olympics started trending on x. tesla founder elon musk said on x's was extremely disrespectful to christians and conservative french politician saying on x for christians who were insulted by the drag queen parody know that it is not france that is speaking but a left-wing
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minority ready for any provocation she says house speaker mike johnson also took 2x saying that impart last night a mockery of the last supper was shocking and insulting to christian people around the world. but the people running the show say it was actually a modern take they say on the greek god of wine and festivity. meant to show the absurdity of violence between human beings. it did not intend to offend as plenty of other socialist mediators of clogged the opening ceremony they said it is weird, wonderful and historic. >> might goal was not to be subversive, make fun of anyone or shock people. my goal was simply to say we were part of a big week and last night we showed republican ideas around inclusion, kindness, generosity, solidarity, ideas we greatly need i think. >> it of their boldest statement got mixed reaction to his moving the traditional indoor opening
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ceremony to the outdoor. they say the boats going along the river. highlights over all were lady gaga and celine dion. thank you. arthel: absolutely. they're both magnificent. thank you stephanie bennett. we did reach out to the trump and harris campaigns for comments on this. but neither side has anything to say as of yet. support outrage and offense over the parody? artistic freedom or blasphemy question one critic is wish for sure robert baird is the bishop at the rochester diocese in minnesota. his comments about this have gone viral. bishop, welcome you called the display a quote gross flip at mockery of the christian faith. what was your reaction when you first saw this? cooks well, i was shocked and dismayed. it came from indianapolis we had a marvelous celebration of the
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eucharist 50000 catholics absent upon indianapolis to give worship to the lord. and at the center of that was the eucharist. and that is the eye turned to the lymph is of great interest i love sports, love the olympics returned with great interest in see a clear mockery of the last supper. for christians, the last supper when jesus in anticipation of his death gives his body and blood to the world, we are at the center of christianity. want to see drag queens and so on cavorting in imitation of da vinci's last supper how could christians and not construe that as a slap? i shaking my head i heard some of the reporting there. i guess everyone is included except for christians for it except for believers. they could be marked in a marginalized and made fun of all you want to sell the same thing last year with the l.a. dodgers controversy. i have very little patience for that the great avatar of inclusivity are brushing aside
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christians. eric: would he think is behind all this? at one point there is a scantily dressed man they brought out a big silver platter like the last supper reveal is a guy scantily dressed all painted in blue curled up inside of this thing. where does this come from? >> to me it's perfectly clear you have very secularist postmodern culture that knows who their enemy is. his stance is a great institutional opponents to this world view it is a philosophical cultural stru struggle in who te enemy is. they mock the enemy. we should not simply acquiesce. if you go back to the lord himself to turn the other cheek and so on is not a recommendation or to quietude. i think engaging evil when you see it. it is a way of engaging in getting in the face of things
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that we see as wicked but look at market martin luther king when the big practitioners. you never described him as acquiescent. it's a war not resist evil crazy christian can't fancifully attrn us. but what is your response to the artist he said he didn't mean to offend as it almost to the grek god of wine. it's a message about the quote absurdity of violent behavior of human beings. quickly tell exactly what is absurd there he's never read the myths and so many of its ancient his ancientgods they were markey extraordinary marks of violence. the christian churches looked at the ancient myths saw all these problematic depictions of ultimate reality. christianity proposes a god who is indeed a god of love.
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of forgiveness, compassion and nonviolence. i am sorry do not select the ancient gods. you think that the symbol of nonviolence? i recommend you go back and read the text. here's what really bugs me. if we keep mocking christianity what will happen when, in our culture people no longer hear the story of the prodigal son? they no longer the story of the good samaritan? they no longer see the depiction of the last supper for what it is for they for the no longer se crucified christ. what will happen to our culture would know things are mocked out of existence? i think the culture will suffer enormously from that. >> hear a lot about islamic phobia anti-semitism, must all be roundly condemned. but i look back to mayor rudy giuliani was mocked back when he was mayor for fighting against a brooklyn museum of art display that had a painting of the
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madonna and elephant dung. this is a continuing issue that seems okay in the name of artistic freedom to do this to the christian faith. >> it is open season on christianity. and as a say in the little video that went viral this anyone doubt what will happen if people were publicly mocking islam? or publicly mocking a story? in the question answers itself why is it open season on christianity they know and i mean this secularized culture they know who the enemy is. so they go after it. >> finally bishop, where can people see your video? quickly put up on x it's on instagram to come it's on facebook and various places i think x originally i think it's gone over 2 million views. eric: it will probably grow bishop out of minnesota, good to see you.
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thank you for joining us. god bless you too. >> as the investigation into the shooting of former president trump continues he is now pledging to return to the scene of the assassination attempt mrl media last night that he'll be back in butler, pennsylvania for a rally to honor his supporters who were shot on july 13. jeff and paul is alive in butler right now what more can you tell us, jeff? >> i can tell you things are starting to slowly get back to normal in the aftermath of his attempted assassination of former president donald trump. but here we are too weak to the day since this happened. the scene where the rally was and that shooting is still very much under wraps. we wait for any new details to surface regarding this investigation we have a new animation that could offer some clarity. the first angle is from the perspective of the shooter. you see to the right of that that is a podium to counter
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sniper perspective. from this angle and the shooter's position in the distance appears to be somewhat obstructed by trees. in terms of trump's current health white house doctor current texas ronny jackson gave an update is rapidly recovering and doing extremely well. in fact come listen to it trump told the crowd last night at the turning point action the vet at west palm beach florida. >> a stand before you tonight thanks to the power of prayer and the grace of almighty god. i think you can see i have recovered well and in fact just took off the last bandage off of my ear. >> regards to it because the industry release a statement clarifying its position after director christopher wray testified there is some question whether it was from a bullet or shrapnel. what struck former president in the ear was a bullet whether
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whole or fragmented into smaller pieces, fired from the deceased subjects rifle. trump today said he will not only continue to do outdoor rallies adjust last night to butler, pennsylvania for a rally in the future. note details regarding what day that's going to be of the timing of it. he did say it will honor the victims involved in that shooting. >> jeff paul, thank you very much. meantime vice president harris pressure from the far left to speak out against israel's war on hamas. some say the white house should focus on stopping the world's biggest sponsor of terrorism, ironic. that is coming up next. (♪) bounce back fast from heartburn with tums gummy bites, and love food back. (♪)
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arthel: at least 11 people are dead in northern israel. most of them children and teens after fired a rocket barrage from lebanon it is the deadliest attack in israel since the start of the war against hamas israeli authorities say one rocket landed on a soccer field. idf spokesman said all victims who died were quote children and youth. idf says rocket sirens were activated but there is not enough time for people to reach shelters. prime minister benjamin netanyahu who was still in the u.s. has been briefed on the attack. his office says he will quickly return to israel as soon as possible. hezbollah said it was targeting up military base in retaliation for israeli airstrike earlier today that killed three of its members. eric: 's vice president kamala harris urging netanyahu and the war in gaza given relief she says. first meeting with the fort
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leader since launching her presidential bid. the next day the prime minister down to florida to visit former president trump at mar-a-lago. let's go live to lucas tomlinson who is at the white house with details on both of those meetings. height lucas. >> president biden is in camp david this weekend. likely has been briefed on that hezbollah attack that is killed at least in nine children at that soccer field for the present a departed the white he yesterday at sporting a team usa jacket as you can see here accompanied by his sister valerie and son hunter before boarding marine one the short flight to camp david and western maryland the day before when president netanyahu held separate meetings with present biden vice president kamala harris. >> it is time for this war to end. an end in a way or israel is secure.
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all of the hostages are released the suffering of palestinians ends. and the palestinian people can exercise their right to freedom, dignity and self-determination. >> earlier this week thousands of protesters including some sympathizers marched up constitution avenue something close to the capitol where netanyahu was addressing contest protests turn violent at union station as you can see here just a few blocks in the capitol of the american flags were hauled down one was burned by an angry mob it appeared some of the crowd tried to glorify the terrorist group responsible for the october 7 massacre. when this graffiti was spray-painted reading hamas is coming park police said they're outnumbered despite hundreds of reinforcements from the nypd sent to washington to protect the capitol is not clear why more cops did not respond. in a statement the vice president said quote i condemn in the individuals associated with the brutal terrorist organization hamas which is about to annihilate the state of
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israel and killed jews pro- hamas graffiti and rhetoric as a port we must not tolerate it in our nation as you mentioned off the top former president donald trump posted israel prime minister yesterday in palm beach mar-a-lago the prime minister will be departing shortly to return to israel after the devastating attack in northern israel that is killed at least nine children on a soccer field. >> just horrific as usual bite hezbollah treat lucas at the white house, thank you. >> the two state solution is the only path that ensures israel remains a secure jewish and democratic states and one ensures of palestinians can finally realize the freedom, security and prosperity that they rightly deserve. >> vice president kamala harris touting a two state solution has the best path forward after israel ends its war against
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hamas. affirmed israel has the right to defend itself after her meeting with prime minister netanyahu said it needs to take stronger measures to stop civilian harm. former president trump about a rapid end to the war if he is reelected. let's bring in former state department deputy special envoy under president trump. first of all what do you make of vice president harris remarks we just played? >> it is so good to be with you. vice president harris really failed in her first test as a potential statesman and states person. when she first chose to essentially boycott prime minister netanyahu's remarks the joint session of congress which as vice president is custom for her to preside over and she chose to skip it. then she had her privately held meeting she came out by herself and essentially blamed israel
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for hamas crimes. the pal scene suffering this going on in gaza right now belongs to hamas which launch the attacks on october 7 was too this day is holding five american hostages. and is refusing to release them. harris gave a big pass to hamas i think she revealed what her potential foreign policy could be towards israel which is frightening to think of it because essentially she seems very biasing as a jewish state. we can contrast that to the warm embrace president trump gave to prime minister netanyahu at mar-a-lago where he welcomed the prime minister at the doorstep with prime minister netanyahu's wife sarah essentially gave the prime minister almost like a bro hug we hear him say to president trump we missed you. and importantly when president trump was presented with a photo
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of a 4-year-old hostage to this day is under hamas hostage taking in gaza president trump promise we will take care of that. which leadership words that israelis are desperate to hear. american jews are desperate to hear we have not heard words like this or any real ability to bring our hostages home from the biden/harris administration. >> are just about half of the democrats in congress skipped prime minister's to congress including vice president harris as you have already pointed out in vice president harris had a separate face-to-face private meeting with the prime minister will he was in washington. among other things she told mr. netanyahu a cease-fire must be agreed upon so the hostages can be freed. she has also publicly condemned
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protesters who support hamas. what are your thoughts on her stance? >> it is pleasant enough for harris to be demanding a cease-fire. she seems to be criticizing the israelis and how they have carried out this defensive war against the ironic backup proxies today. and so by doing that he/she has created daylight which of the te night sits in israel and shortly after her meeting we heard reports that prime minister netanyahu and his entourage are concerned that her remarks are actually a potential setback to reaching a cease-fire. her remarks are a potential setback to a hostage agreement. when the proxy see daylight, they refuse to negotiate. >> you know there are folks inside of israel, israelis who are saying the carnage on the
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other side has to stop. of course it know when it all condones what happens on octobed horrible. there have been israelis and people who are families of the hostages and get our people back but also the carnage on the other side has to stop. i would love to keep talking to you but i am up against a break here. i appreciate your commentary thank you very much. we'll have you back on. take care and we will be right back. thank you. >> thank you for having me. when the sawdust settles and the engine finally roars the thing you care about most is a job well done. but when you get your tools from harbor freight something about the job feels a little different - your wallet. because we believe no matter what you're working on you need high quality tools at a great price. and that's what we're all about. whatever you do,
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today listen question arc many ignoring the historic migrant crisis we've had at the southern border. since fiscal year 2021 northern triangle i've entered the country different. she was in charge of. on the border state of arizona. judge, good to see you. what are your thoughts when you hear the warning from the vice president three years ago? >> good to be here, eric. i was a prosecutor i was a judge or i handled cartel cases saw the impact of the border and a supreme court justice i sought statewide. we need answers down here on this border. tththe statistics you show as wl as others show we have a problem. talk is not going to answer it. we are angry and frustrated down here on the border.
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>> she was put in charge of the northern triangle dealing with the root causes they said poverty, the economy, this sort of thing that drives the influx of migrants from el salvador, guatemala, and honduras. how did she do on that? she was not in charge of border policy that is home and security. but on those root causes any progress there? >> i do not see any results the numbers have steadily risen in terms of illegal entries and the number of people illegally in the country. how about this how about going down to the border areas and talking to the sheriffs and talking to the community leaders and talking to the law enforcement people and the prosecutors and asking them what the problems are on the border? she has not gone down there. those are the people closest to the problem. she has been absent down here. i would urge her, it is too late now come down to talk to us in
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