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in moments my interview with president trump. and he reveals something he has never before said about the day of his shooting. plus, his reaction to the biden coup and whether or not he will actually debate kamala harris. but, first: all right, democrats, i think believe they may have a new winning message. summed up in a simple phrase. >> on the other side, they are just weird. >> the 32 ounces of weird. >> donald trump and his weirdo running mate. >> more extreme, more weird. >> you have got these weird men because they are reared. >> we are not afraid of weird people. >> really that's it that's what it comes to from a party that promotes this and i guess this is not weird for the biden-harris administration? hmmm. and this was, what? a perfectly normal thing for people to do on the white house lawn on the summer of 2023? >> welcome to the white house. >> thank you.

>> are we topless at the white house? >> laura: these are the people who think trump and vance and maga are weird? and, of course, the man who up to a week ago, he was going to be their nominee, not weird at all. [laughter] >> laura: i love how that woman was -- do you know what is really weird? leaving our borders open when we know tens of thousands of americans die from drug overdoses from the materials that come across the border and do you know what is really weird? taking an economy that had, what? 202.5% inflation and then running up that inflation to 7.5%, destroying american household wealth. i think of another thing that's weird. a party that claims to be the defenders of democracy, launching a coup organized by

handful of party elites to oust their own leader. yeah, and another thing weird, announcing radical changes to our supreme court because you have been on a losing streak. expecting americans to want to join our military when you say things like this about the country. >> racism is real in america. and it has always been. xenophobia is real in america and always has been. sexism, too. >> laura: and let's not forget one of the weirdest things of all. spending hundreds of millions of dollars to redefine and reimagine a democrat nominee whose radical policies appeal only to the far left. do you believe that's going to win? well, that's just weird. >> today i'm calling for three bold reforms. reforms to restore trust in the courts.

preserve the system of checks and balances. that are vital to our democracy. we're also common sense reforms. >> laura: yeah. ha. well, here are my thoughts on the proposed reforms to the supreme court. first, the constitutional amendment that he is talking about regarding presidential immunity, well, i would be willing to work on language to achieve the goal of preventing presidents from getting away from crimes. so long as the same language prevents the democrats from making vindictive prosecutions. second, term limits for justices, i don't really have any problem with this as long as it's done through a constitutional amendment. good luck with that and as far as this binding code of conduct for justices, knowing how these people operate, i would fight this proposal with every ounce of energy that i have. because we know exactly what is going to happen here every conservative justice will be constantly brought under investigation and no liberal will ever be investigated.

and in the end, conservatives literally won't be able to afford to serve on the court. investigations would destroy them financially, if not legally. i would not even enter into negotiations on this proposal. joining me now, chris landau, former scalia and thomas clerk. former ambassador do mexico and victor davis hanson, hoover institution senior fellow. let's start with you, chris this is kind of an interesting deal because we found out today, i believe in axios, that they didn't even alert the democrat judiciary, senate judiciary committee about these proposals. so, you know, dick durbin didn't know anything about them. maybe that gives the democrats plausible didn't. isdeniability.is this a campaig. >> this is not a serious document. a serious proposal. as you said this would require constitutional amendments to

overturn federal judges on the bench for life and they are impartial and they don't have other interests at stake. and, you know, the idea that we're going to radically overhaul the separation of powers because joe biden doesn't control the supreme court? it's ridiculous. i mean, the supreme court is doing its job. it's interpreting the law. and, you know, this is the one branch that the democrats don't control. they can't deal with that so they want to destroy this co-equal branch of government. >> now, cory booker, victor is, claiming that all of this is not weird at all. watch. >> it's actually very pragmatic reforms to the court that most americans on both sides of the aisle actually agree with. this is common sense. if we want to preserve the strength of our institutions, if we want to really make our democracy not something that is politicized, but really make sure that our supreme court takes back that ideal of the

eyest standards in our society, these are steps that we are going to have to take. >> why did they have to take these steps 10 years ago? now it's an emergency. >> y. well, we know why, you know, for over 80 years, fdh had a black mark on his record and that was trying to pack the court in 1937. everybody agreed with that and now they are even worse. you know, they see the court as a popular assembly and when they don't have a majority on it. they want to get rid of it. so judge tan none ruled against them, jack smith, chuck schumer doesn't like what the court might say about abortion. then he threatened the justices by name and says you are not going to know what hit you, they swarmed the justice's mommy with impunity. they leak memos against statute about a forthcoming abortion. any means are necessary for their humanitarian end ever mandated equality. so it's typical, but they want

to have just one branch of government and that's a popular elected majority that they think they can control. it's not going to work. it's a joke. it's going to hurt them, too, if the republicans are wise and point this out to the elec electorate. >> laura: chris, when their entire premise for run something safeguard democracy and claim they are the stabilizing influence in our -- in an otherwise chaotic world, what is this move today by biden, again, another laugh gaffe for the lame duck president, but tying kamala harris to it. in a way it could be a way of him to kind of, you know, put a political chi schiff shiv in he. >> republicans are the party that wants to preserve our constitutional structure. this is a major attack on our fundamental constitutional structure. as victor just said.

not sense roosevelt court packing scheme in the 1930s has anything this radical been suggested. if joe biden wants toway his immunity. got bless him, he can go ahead and waive it. but he can't waive it for other presidents. >> laura: chris and victor, -- victor, go ahead. you get a final sum-up there. >> well, i think you hit it on the nail on the head when you said it's biden in search of a legacy. with a failed presidency he wants to go out in some last gasp. this is pathetic, it's going go nowhere. it's going to shame them. >> laura: thank you, both. up next my one-on-one with former president donald trump. is he going to tell us something about the assassination attempt he hasn't shared before. ♪ to duckduckgo on all your devie

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coming out for his replacement after a whirlwind positive press for kamala harris. but the real clear politics average shows you up at about 1.75%. 7% over here. but, before the debate, biden was 1.5 points behind. so, you have actually slightly grown your lead on the national poll so how do you keep republicans positive and not buying in to kind of the negative publicity that they are seeing? >> i think she is a worse candidate than him. she is far more radical left. she is younger. i mean she is 60 years old. i didn't realize she was 60. i thought she was a little younger. but she is 60. she is talking a big game but her game is pretty bad. i mean, she was the border czar. she is trying to pretend she wasn't. it's an amazing thing that's happened, too. we talk about the fake news and fake news media. it's hard to find a story talked about the border czar.

we have them all. we copied them a long time ago. >> laura: yes she was more progressive in 2020 but that she has moved to the middle on a number of these issues. and they are making a concerted effort to show kind of a new kamala kamala 2.0. >> in politics, when you start off saying something that's where you are. and she was for defund the police, she was for open borders. she was for having anybody come in. now i notice they are actually saying they want to have immunity for everybody that came into the country. and they want to have citizenship. >> laura: she said that and she said that she knows that kamala harris -- she assumes kamala harris would support that that means citizenship for. >> >> everybody. >> laura: 20 million? >> yeah. >> laura: would would that do for the country. >> it's in such bad shape. our country has never ended up we could end up in a third world war. 20 million people come into the country.

i would say right now 20 is probably going over that number. we have another four months to go really it's another five months, five and a half months to go. that number is going to increase very substantially. they are pouring in and coming from prisons. they are coming from mental institutions, insane asylums, i say that's a step bo a mental institution. we have record number of terrorists coming into our country and only bad things are going to happen. nothing good is going to come out of it. >> laura: big news today is president biden announcing reforms to the supreme court, which include not allowing immunity for presidents, and also ethics, new ethics rules. now, a lot of the us who used to clerk at the court believe that's just a naked attempt to start knocking off conservative justices. >> it is. >> laura: they didn't consult dick durbin or the senate judiciary committee on any aspect of this. what does this mean to you what biden is. >> typical biden con. he doesn't want to give up immunity if he didn't have

immunity look at all the things he did $3.5 million from russia. all the money he has taken in from china. all of the bad things and evil things he has done. not to mention that thousands of people killed in the border. look at the afghanistan pullout with the worst, most embarrassing day in the history of our country. all of the things he has done that so bad. he desperately wants immunity. there is no way he would write off immunity for a president. >> laura: this is really up ending of our constitutional structure. >> yeah. >> laura: common criticism of you from the left is he is the chaos candidate. he is the chaos. >> just the opposite. >> laura: what does that do to separation of powers if the executive branch can come along and say oh no, no, no, even though we have constitutional provisions governing the court in this is where what we stand for. >> it's going nowhere. need 75%. they can't get it. he knows that, too. >> laura: bone to the left. >> they staged a coup against the president of the united states. they went and told him you are

leaving. you are way down in the polls. 17 points, i think. you know, it's like you are in a fight with someone and really winning and take them out and put somebody else. in nobody ever heard of this before. this is a coup. they took him, they said even though you got 14 million votes you're out. and he said i'm not going out. >> laura: you are saying that's what they are doing with the court as well? >> no. what they're doing is keeping -- they took him out. he was losing badly. they took him out. he wants something to say. he is sitting there with nothing to do. nobody to talk. to say they threw him out. this was a coup the first one. of the president of the united states. >> laura: harris endorsed this proposal. she endorsed the supreme court proposal. >> she is a radical left. >> laura: going to change justices. >> one thing you didn't say they want to pack the court. what they really want to do more than any of it is pack the court. so i have heard as many as 27. they have gotten up to 27. >> laura: that's not in this proposal but this is in response it their losing in a number of

high profile cases. not every case has gone your way or republicans' way. did republicans ever put forward a series of these type of radical proposals? i don't recall. >> they have intended. to say we have been behind, also. we have been behind injustices and they don't do that. interesting fdr did it a long time ago. really interesting. never going to happen. i will tell you if i'm president, it doesn't happen. we keep it the way it is. and it's been working very well for a long fevered of time. i mean, basically, they want to create another congress. they want to have so many people. let's just go another congress. >> laura: i haven't seen you since the assassination attempt on your life. how are you feeling? how are you doing? >> good. i feel good. >> new information coming out about how this could have occurred including text messages among some of the local law enforcement, the swat teams that were in place. and most recently we found out that a local swat team member actually spotted crooks 90 minutes before that first shot went off.

and they kept tracking him. they even saw him at one point maybe 45 minutes before -- half hour before the shot was fired with the range finder pointing it toward the roof. what's your reaction to this? >> look, i can tell you this. once the bullets started coming at me and i got very lucky. i really i have to attribute it to god because if i didn't turn to the right and there was no treason turn to the right except i dropped a big sign on what a great job i'm doing on immigration, right? the sign is coming down and guy like this and it went whew. if i didn't i wouldn't be talking to you. >> laura: you shouldn't have been on that stage. >> one thing i want to say to secret service they were very brave. they were coming. bullets were flying over me. i went down and they were -- they were on top of me. i had a lot of people on top of me. a lot of very strong people on top of me, i wanted to tell you. and they were very brave. i have to say that with that

being said. should have been somebody on the roof. there should have been communication with the local police, which there wasn't. that's a bad thing. and they were seeing this guy who is very disturbed person, and they were seeing him around. i mean it's like how about the people -- the trump fans, the trump centers, the woman in the red shirt that was screaming he's got a gun, that guy has got a gun. >> this information, mr. president, demonstrates via text messages in real time that they spotted this individual, the local swat team members spotted him. they lost track of him. they saw him again but then we find out there was no preplanning done between the secret service and the local swat teams. which is common, which is customary in addition to the drone flying ahead. >> actually worse, there was no communication. they didn't speak to each other. they actually didn't speak. that just came out. look, it's a terrible thing. should have been somebody up there. now, the veto service shooter, the street service. >> laura: sniper. >> laura: sniper. >> it was amazing what he did

with one bullet. he took him out. that was an amazing shot he made. i heard it was an incredible shot. much further away. it would have been good if it was nine seconds sooner. you know, we lost one great person and two people were badly hurt and now doing okay and we are in communication with them. they are doing pretty good. they are doing very good. i thought they were going to die. i thought both of them were going to die also. >> laura: you agreed to an interview with the fbi it's called an avictim's interview. >> they are coming in on thursday to see me. i'm so disappointed. if you took a apostle the fbi i get i get 95%. but not at the top level. not at the people. >> laura: why do people not trust the upper echelon of the fbi at this point? >> they have had a bad period of time. they raided mar-a-lago that's not so good. we bring a suit. we won that whole case. we won it the right way. we won it because we won it. we won it in court. it was a big thing. hardly got any publicity. all they did was talk about the documents. the presidential records act. we won the case and the press

hardly reports it. now, with biden, he really was convicted of that case. he was let go of that case and by the way, you are talking about many more and he didn't have presidential records act. just one thing, laura, they said he was incompetent and, therefore, he can't stand trial and yet he would have been allowed to be president. think of that so he sort of semi won it. of course you don't want to have that kind of a victory. you win because you are incompetent. he actually was guilty. >> laura: what was melania's reaction. if you don't mind me asking, this is very personal after what she learned held on that field. >> she was watching. she was watching live. it was all over the place. it was on television. it was on your network. it was all over the place. she was watching. i asked her that i wasn't there. i was on the ground. and will when the world saw you could talk to people. so what was your feeling? and she was -- she can't even

really talk about it. >> laura: traumatized. >> that's okay that means she likes me -- she loves me. she could talk about it freely, i'm not so sure which is better. she either likes or loves me that's nice. i will say this. she was when i went down, she thought the worst had happened because i went down. and i grabbed my ear and i saw my hand was loaded one blood. you see it in slow motion, instant replay. you know, we had hundreds of press there so this was covered live, they would have had instant replay and everything else, which they already do on this. supposing the worst happened, you know, one man, corey was killed, hit. many. >> laura: amazing man. >> horribly, horri horribly in e head head. he was guarding his family. >> laura: that's why it's important to get to the bottom of this. >> he died instantly. he was dead immediately. >> laura: coming up, trump

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a lot of choice j.d. vance. stereotyping him as some kind of out of control knee jerk conservative, et cetera, et cetera. but some of it is coming from republicans who i think want to go back to the days of open borders and perpetual war. >> yeah. >> laura: how do you expect to use him in this campaign and what can you say to our viewers tonight to reassure them that this was an excellent pick? >> well, first of all, he has got tremendous support. and he really does among a certain group of people, people that like families, i mean, you know, he made a statement having to do with families. that doesn't mean that people that aren't a member of a big and beautiful family with 400 children around and everything else, it doesn't mean that a person doesn't have -- he is not against anything. but he loves family. it's very important to him he

grew up in a very interesting family situation. he feels family is good. i don't think there is anything wrong in saying that. now, they took that as indication people don't have families. >> laura: easy opening. >> crazy. >> so many people they never met the right person. male or female. they just never met the right person. they are unbelievable. they are every bit as good as anybody else that has the most beautiful family. >> laura: what do you say to women out there watching who may not have kids. >> i think they understand it. no, i think they understand it. democrats are good at spinning things differently from what -- all he said was he does like -- for him, he likes family. i think a lot of people like family and sometimes is it doesn't work out. and you don't meet the right person or don't meet any person but you are just as good in many cases a lot better than a person in a family situation. they took and it spun it

differently. when you listen to his words, you helped me very much when you analyzed the what was said in charlottesville and what i said was perfect. but they stop it after the first sentence. >> laura: classic. >> they didn't put the second sentence and third sentence. you were helpful in that. you were the first one that picked that up. once that happened all of the sudden. now every time you see joe biden with that phony story that he ran for president because of charlottesville. it's just. >> laura: dropped out because of charlottesville, too. i mean, come on. >> he dropped out. he truly did -- that was a coup on an american president, and obama doesn't like him and he doesn't like obama. >> laura: do you believe that reporting that cy heaven heash,, you either leave or use the 25th amendment do. >> it the easy way or hard way.

>> laura: some version of that story? do you find that plausible. >> that's what happened. the bad part is that it's not you know, they are talking about a threat to democracy, they are a threat to democracy, because they should have gone out to see who it is. now, i like this better because i would rather run against him than i think any one of the people that we're talking about or that could get it. i think i would probably prefer running against her more than running against anybody else. she a disaster. >> laura: you are the clear favorite in the top three issues, economy, immigration, inflation. let's start with the economy. what would your policies do to bring down inflation so people understand like you said we are going to have great economy but how? >> so, he blew it with gasoline prices, really blew it. i was at 1.87. they went up to $5, $6. they going up again why by the way if you are not watching. drill baby drill. if we get energy down everything

else is going to follow. additionally we have taupe could all of those people clo costings country a fortune. >> giving them healthcare, schooling, hospitals. we have to close up the border know country can afford to take millions of people and support them. where they are living right now. most of them are coming just because they think this is great opportunity to come. they weren't dying where they were living. they lived there whether it was good bad or indifferent they weren't dying. coming here look at guys like gavin news it's come. come. >> will there actually be a trump-harris debate. his answer, next. ♪

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>> laura: here is more of my interview with former president trump. >> laura: they are also attacking you for other ridiculous reasons. they are saying that you said to the crowd of christians that they won't have to vote in the future. >> yeah. let me say what i mean by that i had a tremendous crowd, speaking to christians. i mean, this was a crowd that

liked me a lot. i think i'm in 97% or something. and they are treated very badly by this administration, okay? catholics are treated unbelievably. they are like persecuted. and if i might say before i go into the other, jewish people, if you are jewish and you vote for biden or the democrats or kamala or whoever is going to run, i guess it's going to be her. but, if you voted for her or the democrats, you should have your head examined because nobody has ever been treated so badly by this -- this administration is destroying israel. et cetera, et cetera. so, with respect to like a statement like i made, that statement is very simple. i said vote for me, you're not going to have to do it ever again. that's true. because we have to get the vote out. christians are not known as a big voting group. they don't vote. and i'm explaining that to them. you never vote. this time vote. i'll straighten out the country, you won't have to vote anymore. i won't need your vote.

>> laura: you don't meant you have to vote for you because you have four years in office? >> look, christians are known. do you know who else doesn't vote? gun owners don't vote. >> laura: just to be clear, what you are saying though, it's being interpreted as you are not surprised to hear by the left as well they are never going to have another election. is he saying. >> first time i have even heard. >> laura: can you respond to that. >> i said christians, started off by saying just so you understand, you never vote, christians do not vote well. they vote in very small percentages why? i don't know. maybe they are disappointed in things that are happening but for a long time. i say you don't vote. i'm saying go out. you must vote. november 5th is going to be the most important election in the history of our country whether you vote early or not we should have by the way one day voting. we should have voter i.d. we should have proof of citizenship. and we should have paper ballots, okay? that's what we should have but we don't have that i said to the christians in the room.

thousands of them. i said typically christian does not vote. why it is, i don't know, you are rebellious. something is going on. don't worry about the future. vote on -- you have to vote on november 5th. after that, you don't have to worry about voting anymore. i don't care because we're going to fix the -- the country will be fixed and we won't need your vote anymore because frankly we will have such love if you don't want to vote anymore that's okay. i think everybody understood it. i don't know there was any. >> laura: because it's the constant refrain, after they have done all the things that we have talked about. >> horrible. >> laura: all the things. >> russia, russia, russia. all the things. >> laura: dumped their guy of 52 years dump him to the side. they do all of that. you can't vote for him because he is literally never going to leave office. they are actually still saying that. >> it's just unbelievable. >> laura: but you will leave office after four years. >> by the way did i last time. i kept hearing is he not going to leave. is he not going to leave. look. they're the ones that are a

threat to democracy. number one they had an incompetent man as president. okay? now they have someone who is worse. she is sort of incompetent. not very smart but very radical. very radical. she will try and defund the police. >> laura: is she more of an extremist than most americans today still understand? >> than bernie, they say more than bernie sanders. >> laura: he endorsed her. >> bernie sanders is a major lunatic. she is worse than bernie sanders. now, she is trying to come back. she got rid of the laugh. i haven't seen the crazy laugh. that's crazy. that laugh that's a laugh of a crazy person. she is not using that laugh anymore. somebody conventioned her don't -- just don't laugh. don't laugh. under any circumstances because you. >> laura: i like laughter. >> not her laughter. >> laura: claims she is tough on crime. she was a tough prosecutor. never the border czar. >> she was a bad prosecutor. she put -- she was a prosecutor of black people. she put thousands and thousands

of black people in jail over marijuana but when it came to big crime, murders and everything else she was weak. she would love to go after trump, trump, trump, trump. did i nothing wrong. they did a lot wrong but i did nothing wrong. this was a totally manufactured deal. this was an attack on a political opponent. and she was involved in that with biden. and so far it's backfired because people know, this was an attack on a political opponent. she was a bad prosecutor a in san francisco, she led the cashless bail and all of the different things, she was the first of all of the bad prosecutors that have allow wanted. you know, if you look at the 25 top cities, basically all democrat, the prosecutors are weak. she was the early, she destroyed -- she is a san francisco liberal. >> laura: they are pushing for debates with you. it went down in flames with them last time but they think they are going to get you. so you have been kind of a

little unclear about whether you're going to debate or not. will you commit tonight to debating kamala harris? >> so i like debating. i like debating. i have done a lot of debates. i have won the debates, they say i won the election because of that i don't mind, they were pushing for this early debated. i said why do we want to do an early debated? it didn't make sense to me. turned out i was right. there are reasons. i want to do a debate. i also can say this. everybody knows who i am. and now people know who she is. she is a radical left lunatic. she will destroy our country. she wants open borders. >> laura: why not debate her? >> because they already know everything. she wants to defund our police. she wants no bail. she wants no cash. you just -- you kill somebody and we are going to release you mild. they call it cashless. cashless, that's by the way this has been a horrible thing for our country, this has been what i just said. but, we know where she is. she wants high taxes.

>> they are going to say you are afraid of debating her that's what they say. >> they said that with biden too i was afraid. did i great with biden and did i great with every debate. i have had a lot of debates. >> you are winning on all the issues, right? >> i'm leading in the polls by i think a lot. i don't know, i hear different numbers. i'm leading in all of the polls. i'm leading big in all of the swing states and i saw. this yes, i will probably end up debating. i think actually the debate should take place before the votes start being cast. you know, when you -- i had a very good second debate with biden. i really beat him badly, the problem was 30%, 440% of the votes are already cast. if you are going to have a debate do it before the votes are cast. i think it's very important that you do that so the answer is yes. but i can also make a case for not doing it. also, i don't like rewarding fake news. i don't like rewarding the people that -- they are going to make tens of millions of dollars with this debate. i don't like abc. i think it's a terrible, terrible outfit. i don't like that abc is going

to get rich, george slopdopolis. such bad people. >> i don't like that abc is going to get rich. i don't like -- i will say something when cnn did the last one, they were very fair. they were -- jake tapper was very fair. >> laura: maybe just you and her -- you and vice president harris in a room together with no moderators. >> i don't mind that i don't mind anything. look, we can do any form of a debate. you know, when they asked me to do the debate. they didn't think i was going to do it. they offered me the two heads, the two announcers, whatever you would call them, the referees call them whatever you want. but i have to say they were both very fair. it was cnn, they wanted to sit down. i said no, i don't want to sit down, you can't sit down. they want to sit down. they offered me everything that i couldn't accept and i accepted it. i accepted everything. and we had a debate. it was a great debate. it was actually maybe it was a

mistake. maybe i shouldn't have debate sod well. it was the end of him because from that day on you could see that he was not going to be -- in my opinion, i said i don't think is he going to make it anymore. now i have -- i would rather run against her than him. i think she is easier than he is. because he had a certain -- i always felt. >> laura: scranton joe. >> i always felt he was i inincompetent. he had certain base. no matter how bad he was people are going to vote for him. she doesn't have that base. >> laura: coming up, what does former president trump think of the olympics' opening ceremony? that's next. ♪

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>> ♪ ♪ >> laura: will have more with our interview with former president from tomorrow but here now with a ration with what you've heard so far bring your cat deep article heartland for the washington examiner, charlie hurt, washington the metimes -- turley

got another start with you. what were your thoughts on this interview so far? >> the whole thing was wide-ranging back anything out there so much to sort of appreciate about it but the two things that kind of struck out me the most of the 11 the conversation with him about the supreme court and the efforts but the democrats who tried to wreck -- wreck the independence of the supreme court and he made the comment that what you're trying to do is they're trying to turn the supreme court in to a second congress cat one that's not elected and not held accountable to voters. and i think that shows the depth of both the diversity of his clear eyed understanding of the importance of the supreme court back and what these people want to do to wreck it. the second thing i think was so interesting with this conversation about the debates. doesn't want to delete kamala harris because of the fraudulent way in which they have -- the democrat party have disenfranchised labeling but he recognizes he probably

doesn't have a choice. he doesn't -- he probably needs to and he will do very well if he does that debate and stick to the issues. >> laura: byron, thoughts? >> terrific interview. a couple of things about the assassination attempt. one, i didn't know that the former first lady lamia trump was watching it live as it happened. but two, it was clear that it -- he was ambivalent about his secret service prote protection. a candidate developed a close relationship with his secret service protectors, you know, those people we saw around him in that iconic photo photograph, they flew with him the next day to the convention in milwaukee, they were the people that you saw walking with him in to the convention center. so he feels close to them. at the same time, something clearly went badly wrong in that working with the secret service and neck in the management of the secret service, that has to be investigated. >> laura: i think also the fact that he said

symbolically, it so important that i go back there to do that rally, finished the rally, not let them the rage individual change basically the way he operates and to an extent the way we live. i want to play this for you, busy how erected to a question about the olympics opening ceremony and some of the images used. >> laura: have you watched any of the olympics? >> mr. trump: is that the opening ceremony was a disgraced back actually. i thought it was a disgrace. >> laura: the marking of the last supper? catholics and christians across -- >> mr. trump: i thought -- >> laura: across the globe or outrage. >> mr. trump: i thought it was terrible. >> laura: casey if -- you will have enough influence on the organizers that we will be, you know, insulting questions? >> mr. trump: we will be having a last supper as portrayed the way they portrayed it the other night. i just think -- looked, i'm

for everybody, i'm very open-minded, you know me better than most people know me. i'm very open-minded. but i thought what they did was a disgrace. >> laura: charlie, i'm glad he spoke out about that because so many of us catholic, christians, people of faith were outraged and disgusted by what france did in the olympic committee. >> and rightly so. i'm struck by that clip, how donald trump is more cent centrist, even, you know, common sense, nonpartisan, nonideological guy that we've had certainly in my lifetime running for president. and he's running -- and is evidenced by the fact that he sees all of this as clear eyed and he does. and he's running against a true doctrinaire, committed, socialist liberal. and i think that -- not only that answer rather but i think i will interview for the points up that diffe difference. >> laura: byron, really quickly. i mean, you came across to me -- what is wrong with your

your peace? four byron is holding onto is a piece. is like the old daze, emily dating myself, holding up the air he's, what is that? [laughter] i'm sorry. that's okay, it up. you look cooler like that. but to mean, look, i'm going for long time, with me comes across as very confident, and he knows how important this is, this moment. really quick. >> well, you know, this one was speaking privately to donald trump is he sounds extremely reasonable, almost all of the time. and clearly, you spoke for millions of americans when he was talking about what happened at the opening ceremony in the olympics. they agree with that. so it's quite reasonable. >> laura: this is common sense stuff, guys. charlie and byron, wait to see you both. and let your peace is holding on, byron. we have more with two -- >> jesse: welcome to jesse watter