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report triggering a massive wall street selloff friday with the dow dropping over 600 points while fears of recession grow. welcome, i'm jacqui heinrich. griff: great to be with you, we've got a packed day of news. i'm griff jenkins. and this is as lloyd austin was on the plea deal with accom accomplices. >> and unemployment going up ticking up to 4.3%, a percentage point higher than in july of last year. not everyone thinks a recession is looming, but people admit the foundations of this country, the economic foundations are shaky. has it simply been a situation where wall street has now caught up to what main street has known all the time? people are hurting, inflation is really taking a big bite out

of people's pocket books and we see things going in the wrong direction. >> now, speaking of potentially moving in the wrong direction, that's what biden's defense chief thought when the administrator of gitmo gave sheik mohammed and two others a plea deal. and secretary austin tore up the plea deal and wanted to go for the death penalty. in light of the significance of going into pre-trial agreement with those involved in the case responsibility should rest with me, the superior convening authority under the military commissions act of 2009. a fellow west point graduate david perkins weighed in earlier. >> he has seen what the results of 9/11 are and a duty now, a political appointee as well as a soldier to make sure it's

taken care of properly. >> also likely that austin did this because the pentagon and white house did not want to hand a gift to the republicans to run on. griff. griff: lucas tomlinson kicking things off for us at the white house. jacqui. jacqui: the democratic party says vice-president kamala harris has secured enough delegate votes to be officially named the nominee next week. meanwhile, speculation who will be her running mate hits a fever pitch. we've got fox news coverage with the latest 2024 news with mark meredith live from atlanta and first, madeleine rivera who has more details what's happening around the harris campaign. what's the latest? >> hey, jacqui, when it comes to campaign events, vice-president kamala harris doesn't have any this weekend because she's interviewing potential running mates. this weekend, a car with eric

holder, and his law firm are vetting the process. the list that is been narrowed down to half a dozen candidates, andy beshear, tim waltz, arizona senator mark kelly and spent the last couple of days campaigning for the vice-president and hitting the airwaves on television, defending the record of the biden administration. shapiro and beshear canceled their events this weekend though, raising speculation they could be speaking with the vp. but philadelphia's mayor caused a stir on social media friday when she released this video on her campaign's instagram account. >> kamala harris for president, and josh shapiro, josh shapiro, josh shapiro for vice-president, now we need you. >> fox is told the mayor did know the leak the vice-president's announcement and that the video was simply a show of support for shapiro as vice-presidential candidacy. harris' campaign said we do not

expect have additional information until the vice-president announces her running mate and as the next vice-president of the states. harris is expect today make her announcement by tuesday when she and her running mate will kick off a blitz through seven battle ground states. >> thank you so much. >> got it. >> jacqui, former president trump and his running mate j.d. vance will stump in georgia as they try to pull more voters in the blue state. mark meredith is live from atlanta with the latest, hey, mark. >> good afternoon to you. former president trump is likely going to have a lot to say about vice-president harris as well as the economy, as lucas was just alluding to the news of the last 24 hours where things stand with unemployment, it's likely the trump campaign is going to try to put its economic message front and center. polling has shown trump leading democrats when it comes to issues like the economy and they're going to try to keep that momentum going forward. we heard about the economic issue and heard from the camp and said that kamala harris has proudly and repeatedly

celebrated her role as co-pilot on bidenomics, and put spending on steroids and despite that working families are hurting, she tells us the failed plans are working. trump's pivot to the economy comes after he spent several times defending comments he made regarding harris' background and put the race issue front and center and democrats say the comments should have americans outraged. >> it is disgusting and her response was, i think, pitch perfect. she spoke to it, she condemned it. she challenged him to say it to her face, which he's clearly afraid to do because he backed out of the debate. >> that's the big question that today is whether or not we are going to see both candidates on a debate stage. trump says he wants to do a debate on fox and harris' campaign says they haven't agreed to do anything, but the

abc debate that he agreed to before he dropped out of the race. griff: we will be listening and mark, i believe the voters are undecided on politics, but agree and know well one thing that is go dawgs. >> indeed, go dawgs. griff: jacqui. jacqui: let's bring in our panel, matt, and former obama campaign advisor, david. matt and david, thank you for being here. >> thank you. jacqui: no shortage of news or things to follow. i think what we, many of us are watching for, david, is the vp's pick because it could have a significant impact on the race and there's been some discussion that she might try to pick a moderate candidate to try to sort of moderate the ticket. interestingly enough though, yesterday the philly mayor posted a video to her campaign twitter account that lent

itself to quite a bit of speculation that this might end up being pennsylvania governor josh shapiro and let me play for you a piece of that. >> kamala harris is on the road to victory, and i can't think of a better partner than our governor-- >> kamala harris for president. >> josh shapiro for vice-president now we need you. let us and kamala harris know you stand with her, together we can do this. we are one-- >> what does it mean? >> you know, i'm not sure. i think it's hard to figure out what kamala is going to do because we don't know what her objective is here. if her objective is to win a key swing state, then she very well may pick shapiro because pennsylvania is almost a must-win for the democrats and shapiro will help there. if indeed she wants to balance the ticket maybe with someone from the south appeals to moderates and to independents, she might pick beshear in kentucky because he has that

crossover appeal. if she wants a little of both, maybe senator mark kelly in arizona, it's a swing state and he helps balance the ticket as well. jacqui: it would be quite a thing for the philly mayor who is about to host the vp and yet to be named running mate on tuesday, days from now in her city, to put this video out on a friday with the possibility it doesn't end up being shapiro, who is right on the stage next to her. that's pretty bold. >> pretty awkward. i do think the vice-president has a difficult decision, at the end of the day this campaign is still the same. the blue wall has to hold and if the blue wall doesn't hold she's not going to get elected and she's currently running at least a couple of points behind in most of the states. if i were her, i would be looking at the states and trying to shore up the states, but each pick, when you pick that person, hurts you someplace else. so she does have a difficult decision in front of her and i don't think at the end of the day her pick is it going to

make that much of a difference because the issues are losing issues for her. and if she does happen to pick a senator who voted on the issues, it's only going to compound the problem that they have with the inflation, with the immigration, with all the things that those democratic senators have voted on and she cast the tie breaking vote for. jacqui: we've heard a lot of discussion that perhaps chuck schumer doesn't want it to be mark kelly because it would make it difficult for democrats to control the senate if they had to do a special election. we've also heard some reporting that harris is really looking for a governor because they have balanced a budget in their state and brings some executive leadership. to your point about the issues. president trump has had a tough time, i think, maintaining focus on those issues, that he'd liao like to draw the attention to. and comments at the lbj earlier this week. >> you've attacked black

journalists, calling them a loser, saying the questions they asked are stupid and racist. a dinner with a white spremmist at your resort. >> why should voters trust you after you've used language like that. >> first of all, i don't think i've ever been asked a question so-- in such a horrible manner, a first question. you don't even say hello, how are you. for you to start off a question and answer period, especially when you're 35 minutes late because you couldn't get your equipment to work in such a hostile manner, i think it's a disgrace. jacqui: it goes into a discussion about the kamala harris blackness and then doubles down on it. how would you advise that his campaign recover from that discussion because it looks likes they've been leaning in and talking about it in a defensive way. is that helpful? >> well, i think they're going to switch back to the issues today in georgia and that's what they're going to focus on.

again, the issue is issue after issue, the biden-harris administration is underwater. and vice-president harris doesn't offer anything different than what joe biden has given the american people for four years and clearly the american people don't want another four years of this. he has to focus like a laser on, are you better off today than you were four years ago, because he actually has a body of work, his own body of work that people compare the biden-harris agenda to to his and those people in polling say overwhelmingly they prefer a trump presidency to a biden-harris four years. it's a disaster, look at the world today, the world is on far about to have major war in the middle east, the economy is mess. we've had a 10 million illegal immigrants across the border half of which we don't know where they are, what they're up to and crime is rampant. if trump and vance can keep this about the issues, they're

going to win in a landslide. >> speaking about the middle east. obviously today at the rally, the trump-vance rally in atlanta there's a dnc billboard trying to sort of bring the discussion back to the issues that i think help democrats in the messaging in this particular news cycle, but what we're not hearing from kamala harris in this moment is a clear expression of her policy and how it might be different from the one she's carrying out under joe biden. as the events in the middle east is hotter, how important is it going to be for her to articulate what her approach would be if she were in office? >> i think it's going to be really important. you know, with the targeting ever the political leader of hamas, things have changed. he was the head negotiator for a cease-fire and i think we were getting close to a cease-fire, there are things that had to be worked out over the six week interim cease-fire

and if israel to go in with military operations and it was probably going to be -- and then israel decided to take him out. and now there's nobody on the hamas side, and biden harris wanted to see cease-fire. it's dangerous if universities reopen in september and we don't have a cease-fire more atrocities in gaza, there could be protests and that won't be good for the harris campaign. the biden administration and the harris campaign should be pushing as hard as possible to get cease-fire discussions on track. if they could accomplish that and get a cease-fire in early september, that would be great. jacqui: speaking of the killing of haniyeh, the president was asked after the prisoner swap, does his killing make it harder for a cease-fire deal to happen and the president said it doesn't help. at the same time we're talking

about the head of a terrorist organization and conventional wisdom would say with that guy dead maybe the fighting stops. should he have said that? >> absolutely not. his policy was iran was horrible, i inherited a policy that donald trump had bankrupted iran. joe biden gave them pallets of cash instead so now they have money, people are buying their oil. like you couldn't come up with a worse policy if you tried. and now they're up against the wall. it's getting worse over there and it's going to get worse and it's not going to get better. it's nice to see that the president came out of the basement for a couple of hours. vice-president has been hiding for the last 12 days as well. do we have an administration that can actually be president and vice-president? or are we just going to have a campaign? because the world is not waiting for biden and harris. like we need to see some action, some leadership. they've both been hiding. vice-president hasn't done an

interview in 12 days. haven't seen her, she's going back to the basement strategy that joe biden had in 2020 and that the american people are going to get gaslit again by that strategy. jacqui: we'll see. she's had some-- she's had some big crowds and see how it shapes up. but we're out of time. real quick though, just your bet, who is it going to be, quick for vp. who do you think? >> i think it's going to be waltz. >> beshear. >> thank you, david and matt. always a pleasure. >> thank you. jacqui: and tomorrow on fox news sunday i'll be filling in for shannon bream. we'll have exclusive interviews with ranking member lindsey graham and chris murphy, as well national security communications advisor john kirby and in our sunday special, shannon bream sits down exclusively with supreme court judge neil gorsuch. that's a not-miss.

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>> less than 48 hours have passed since three americans were freed in the largest u.s. russia prisoner exchange since the post soviet era and they're now receiving medical attention in san antonio. mike tobin is there with the latest updates for us. hey, mike. >> hi there, jackie, the three returnees spent the first full night in the medical city behind me at the brook army medical center. it's become a hub for reintegration for liberation prisoners and they first set foot on american soil when the plane taking them back to the u.s. from turkey, at joint base andrews. they were greeted by the president and vice-president. the wall street journal showed audacity, he had to submit a request for clemency. in a written request he submitted another request and that is to have a sit-down

interview with vladimir putin. dimitri pestkov was asked about that by reporters and he said it would be considered. friends of evan gershkovich said they are not surprised. >> and the gall for asking that, not surprising, but let's get you hope and be safe, but, no, evan through and through. >> the brooke army medical center was a hub was integration when sometimes prisoners had the transition to life. first stage, medical, psychological evaluations and preliminary evaluation. second, more thorough debriefings and evacuations and third, they call it home base

where they're reunited with loved ones and transition back to their normal life. they had the stress and uncertainties of their release, long flight covering multiple time zones. we don't know a lot about what's going on in the medical center there, but we know that a priority is to get the returnees some rest, jacqui. jacqui: mike tobin for us. thanks so much, mike. >> got it. jacqui: what a wonderful outcome here. obviously though there's one family still waiting for their loved one to come home in pennsylvania. that's the family of mark fogle. griff: and mark fogle, the teacher from pennsylvania, i believe he was caught with a small amount of medical marijuana and i read the comments from the fogle family, that it was soul crushing to realize that mark wasn't a part

of it. we've seen that scenario play out before when, you know, someone wasn't let out and others were, and you wondered, to the larger part, jacqui, when you hear officials say the only downside to swaps like this, this one being obviously the biggest since the cold war, is that it does it incentivize putin to take more prisoners knowing he can get some of his people negotiated out. jacqui: it's always the concern when the president was asked, should journalists and people be afraid when they go into the hostile places and he tried to delivered both things. we stand for freedoms and liberties americans have all over the world, but admitting that when you go into hostile places, you take chances and it's a very, i'm sure, difficult thing to know that there were criminals who were released to bring these

innocent americans home. obviously, mark fogle, the u.s. believes, has been unjustly detained and is serving, i think, a 14-year sentence for that small amount of medical marijuana. we do know though that the administration's actively talking with russia to try to get him out. they wanted him a part of this deal and paul whelan was in the same position when brittney griner came back and he had to wait and the administration said they learned a lot from dealing with russia on this exchange and they want to apply it to active talks to get mark fogle home. griff: one last thing, we did learn a lot about putin in the-- when the russian spies were released, the children, these children, when putin greets these children you're seeing in this video he says beu

beunos noche, and it's like a scene out of the "the americans". jacqui: and they didn't know they were russian. the u.s. military is sending more war ships to the middle east as iran threatens to attack israel after the leader of hamas was killed in iran's capital. alex hogan is covering these mounting tensions. >> hi, jacqui. well, the u.k. is joining france and the u.s. telling their people to leave. they should book a flight regardless of the time and potential destination to leave the country if they're not able to do so financially, they should reach out to the embassy for the americans who stay behind they're told to prepare for emergency situation and that they might need to shelter in place for extended periods of time. this comes after just last night, the pentagon announced it's sending more fighter jets, cruisers, and destories to the region.

these are capable of shooting down ballistic missiles and the u.s. will maintain an aircraft carrier in the region. and secretary austin stressed to iran and iranian-backed gr groups. >> and protests and funeral services held for the hamas leader haniyeh. today the security services traveled to egypt to go back to the negotiation table although according to some reports that we're just hearing, there were no serious breakthroughs in those talks. at the same time, we've seen cross-border attacks on all fronts in the last 24 hours, including this strike at an airport in syria last night. israel says it carried out an

air strike in southern lebanon reportedly killing a member of hezbollah and idf says it carried out strikes in the west bank killing nine palestinians, including five in a vehicle and israel says that those five people were reportedly planning an attack of their own. we're also learning of an attack in northern gaza by the idf. the idf says this was a former school that was used by hamas to make weapons while hamas refuting those claims, tonight saying that this, in fact, was a shelter for the many people displaced because of the war and appears that the death toll continues to rise from that strike, reportedly 15 people, jacqui, are now dead. back to you. jacqui: alex hogan, thanks so much. griff: at least 32 people killed and 63 others injured after a terrorist attack friday on a beach in somalia at a popular resort in the capital mogadishu al-qaeda's east affiliate al-shabaab, and

claimed a man was wearing a vest before he blew himself up. somalia's third phase of the units of the mission. >> in london two more people have been charged with aggravated arson after ukrainian business suffered an attack back in march. five other men were previously accused in the attack that is allegedly linked to russia, this coming as the war in ukraine continues, a trial to expected to take place next year. griff: coming up, two boxers who failed gender tests are generating controversy at the olympic games. we'll talk to a female boxer why so many are upset they've been let into the women's ringnecks. i have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. thanks to skyrizi i'm playing with clearer skin. 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months. and skyrizi is just 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses. serious allergic reactions

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was back in the ring in the olympics after failing a gender test sparking outrage around the world. not the only boxer to fail the test. >> and imane khelif defeated her opponent, her win comes amid controversy. khelif was back in the ring and took on a hungarian boxer. the international boxing association disqualified khelif and yu-ting, saying they failed the gender ability test, but they say it's unfair. >> these two athletes were

subject to the end of the iba world championships in 2023, they were suddenly disqualified. and the aggressive action is on this arbitrary decision without proper procedure, especially they had been competing in top level competition for many years. >> their participation in the olympic games got swift criticism after khelif quickly won the match against the italian boxer angela karini, after she pulled out in 45 seconds. she said she had never been hit so hard before. again, khelif won her match today. and as for taiwan's lin yu-ting, if she defeats her opponent from bulgaria. griff: thank you, jacqui.

jacqui: we're joined by boxing coach, and there's a lot of discussion and i hope you can help us understand pieces of the story. because imane khelif had been disqualified from the international boxing association over claims that she had an xy chromosome which gave her elevated levels of testosterone. but the iba has been banned, as i understand it, andight now there is no official governing body for the sport that is in charge of the olympic committee's governing body. tell me a little bit about how much we can read into all of this discussion and how we should sawn what's playing out right now. >> yes. so the ioc, i think, really jumped the gun. they should have taken into

account these two independent tests that were done by the iba. they did not do that. they simply just went off of, you know, this person was called a female at birth and on their passport. the thing is, we don't really know why did these athletes and three others show up in these testing to have xy chromosome. we need further information, so, that needs to come to light because we keep going back and forth, is this person, is this person a woman, if in fact, this person is-- has dfd. well, there's a lot of factors that come into play. there's a lot of testosterone issues. basically if that person went into puberty with an xy chromosome, they're definitely going to have an advantage.

male advantage justifies the existence of women's sports. >> understandably. so, we're watching, obviously, you know, the iba which is no longer the olympic governing body for the sport saying that she had failed two tests, one for an xy chromosome and elevated levels of testosterone and leading into this discussion and at the same time her opponent withdraw from that fight within what, i think 46 seconds. so, can you talk to us a bit why, especially with a sport like boxing, we need to have very clear standards and testing and rules that govern it because you could end up having an injury you know, that's different than if you're a swimmer, for instance. >> it is. it's a combat sport. it can be very dangerous irregardless and so, if you are

placing a male-born athlete in there with a female-born athlete, we're talking biology, it could be internal organs, all sorts of things going on and we still need to find out, but it's extremely dangerous. i am an olympic level coach. previously an olympic level coach with usa boxing. i've been in the sport, around the sport for 27 years, i've been a boxer myself and i've sparred with, at 30 years old i sparred with teenage boys. one injured my ribs, bruised ribs and that's sparring with a youngster. so, as they're going into puberty they become stronger, bone density, you name it, a lot of different factors that give a male-born athlete an advantage. jacqui: you know, so much of this discussion is also inherently political, but you know, at the end of the day, you have female athletes who

earn opportunities to win titles and to make names for themselves and that counts for a lot. can you talk about just, you know, how much goes into a moment like this and what these women are being cost if they are not facing a fair fight. >> yeah, most of these women started boxing when they were children. we're talking five, six years old. they put their entire life into this sport. they've made a lot of sacrifices to participate in the sport, as women we were only allowed to compete in the olympics in 2012. that gives you a perspective, you know, we were a small group before, we grew our numbers and you know, and then we got a seat at the table. and we had to put in a lot of time and again, grow those numbers to be able to box in the olympics. and for it to, you know, be kind of tarnished and that opportunity be taken away by somebody who may have an

advantage is extremely unfair. jacqui: well, we'll be watching. obviously, the other track that we're following is if world boxing gets approval to be the governing body for the olympics, then boxing will remain an olympic sport, but there's a question right now whether it does. so, a lot on the line with this story and very fascinating, interesting to have you with us today. >> thank you very much. griff: jacqui, millions of americans are bracing for a major storm gaining strength in the caribbean that could reach landfall in the u.s. late tomorrow night. we're live on the ground in fort myers, florida. stick with us.

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robert, are they starting to batten down the hatches yet? >> they are, and they're going through what they mostly do on saturday, and that's enjoy the tropical weather i mean, look at this, if you can. this bar here, full of people and this was destroyed during hurricane ian two years ago. this is a makeshift business at this point. it used to be a permanent structure. it was wiped out by the 10-feet plus of storm surge two years ago, we're not going to see that kind of impact, thankfully. i want to show you a couple of things here as we await this system which is right now, a tropical depression for to turn into tropical storm debby and it will likely happen off of the coast of fort myers beach which is where i'm at right now. i tell you, griff, all of this area, if you can imagine two years ago, annihilated, catastrophic damage, unfortunately from ian, a year ago, but this system is very,

very tricky right now and we're expecting it become a tropical storm at some point today and then tomorrow, as it makes its way up the gulf of mexico on the western side to the big bend area of florida, which is, if you're not familiar from tampa to the panhandle, it likely to increase into a hurricane. it depends on the steering mechanisms. but once it hits the warm waters of the gulf of mexico, anything goes. look at this, griff, and everybody watching, this is recovery on fort myers beach. a year ago you didn't see chairs and people walking on the white sands and today you do. they're getting the fleeting moments of sunshine and paradise and cocktails and everything that goes with southwest florida today because later on tonight we are going to begin to feel the effects of the rain, some of the wind and full force tomorrow, could see two to four feet of storm surge

come up on the beaches, but thankfully not catastrophic scenarios at least in this part of southwest florida. we're monitoring and on the move as this system is likely to become debby later today. we'll bring that to you on fox news and fox weather app and streaming service in the coming days, griff. griff: nobody does it better, robert ray. tell everyone in the bar, thank you for watching. thanks, robert. >> thank you. griff: as robert was saying for the latest developments on tropical storm debby, weather it together with the fox weather app, you see it there on the screen. download it on ios and android and check it out particularly if you're in florida. a quick point on this, jacqui, you know, we have been hearing about this was possibly going to be a season when it was going to be worse and in talking with robert a little bit before the show, he was saying, it's because it's this la nina year, which happens when there's a warmer winter

and it's the conditions that are leading to it, he thinks that debby may be the first of several storms headed into the season goes until october where we could see some strong systems. hoping everybody in florida and beyond are okay. jacqui: you know, it seems like we've had no shortage of storms, literal and figuratively, lately, so it wouldn't shock me. griff: indeed. all right. jacqui: well, in the line of duty, deputies come under fire in a deadly ambush in florida. we've got the details on the story coming up next.

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>> a florida sheriff's deputy is dead and two more are hurt after what's being described as a ambush attack.

madis madison scarpino. >> the lake county sheriff's deputy died after he was in a home that he was shot. that home was not the one deputies originally responded to. according to the sheriff's office this started around 8:00 last night. while deputies were respond to go a 911 call in rural-- in a rural florida neighborhood, they heard a lot of commotion coming from a home a few doors down. >> the deputies went to that home and saw what appeared to be the back door kicked in and they could hear a disturbance inside of that home. when the deputies entered the home, there was a lot of gunfire where one of the deputies was struck. >> now, two other deputies were also shot while trying to rescue the trapped deputy who was killed. now, one of them was shot in the shoulder, the other in the arm pit, stomach and groin. one is in stable condition, the other is still fighting for

their life. and authorities said the scene was chaotic as the suspects and deputies were shooting. lake county sheriff payton grinnell says two suspects in the home are also dead. unclear if that's from a murder-suicide or police fire and another person from the home was taken to the hospital. we're waiting to hear about the identity of the deputy killed, but the sheriff said overnight, jacqui, it's someone who has been with the office for a while and is a military veteran. back to you. jacqui: awful. madison scarpino, thank you. griff: yeah, our thoughts and prayers go out to the officers and their families. meanwhile, coming up at the top of the hour, former secretary of state mike pompeo joining us for his take on the growing tensions between iran and israel. the scuttled 9/11 plea deal, and much, much more. stick with us. life, diabetes, there's no slowing down. each day is a unique blend of people to see and things to do. that's why you choose glucerna to help manage blood sugar response.

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>> the three americans read in the largest russian prisoner swap since the cold war returning home to us oil late thursday night and now in a hospital for medical checkups in san antonio. welcome to fox news live. jackie:good afternoon. the freed americans are getting that care in texas. mike tobin is on the ground in

san antonio. >> reporter: the three liberated americans spent the first full night un-american soil in the facilities behind me, inside fort sam houston on the outskirts of san antonio. they first set foot on american soil when the plane carrying them from turkey touched down at joint base andrews where they were greeted by the president and the vice president and took another flight that took them to kelly air force base very nearby at 3 am, probably got into the facility around 4. the deal that freed them also freed russian criminals held around the world so military experts caution against being too jubilant about the exchange. >> the bad part is a lot of the people we had to give back to the russians truly were bad people and so when you take a look at this long-term, we have to be very careful about what price we are willing to pay.