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>> emily: kamala harris has solidified her vision for america with her choice of far left governor tim walz as a running mate. the democratic socialists of america celebrated the harris pick, saying it showed the world that they are a force that cannot be ignored. and former president donald trump warns the harris-walz ticket is the most radical in american history. hello, everyone. this is "outnumbered." i'm emily compagno here is my cohost, kayleigh mcenany and harris faulkner. also joining us today, former state department spokesperson and founder of polaris national security, morgan ortagus, and coanchor of "america's newsroom," bill hemmer. we are going to get into governor walz's liberal record this hour, but first we begin with his left wing crime policies and his utter lack of leadership during one of the most contentious times in our country. walz was the governor of minnesota during the violent george floyd riots back in 2020.

businesses were looted and set on fire, destroyed. police officers assaulted, and the country watched in horror as the city of minneapolis was burning to the ground. walz was pressured to send in the national guard, but he stalled, and admitted he did not act fast enough when citizens of his own state begged him for help. >> i got a call from a friend and a dedicated public servant. senator torres ray called it her district, and it was on fire, and there weren't any police there. there weren't any firefighters. there was no social control, and her constituents were locked in their house wondering what they were going to do. that is an abject failure that cannot happen. the issue was that the state should have moved faster. that is on me. >> emily: abject failure is right. republican vice president candidate j.d. vance pointed out that kamala harris didn't take action during those riots, either. maybe that's why they are a

match. >> and the police are not empowered to do their job, it is the most vulnerable people in our communities who suffer. we saw that of course in 2020 with the summer riots with our new vice presidential nominee on the democratic side. makes an interesting dynamic duo with kamala harris. as he was promoting rioters and looters burning down the city of minneapolis, kamala harris was helping to bail the rioters and looters out of jail. a really vicious cycle if you are living in that community, a really vicious cycle if he owned one of those businesses that was burned down, and of course a very vicious cycle if you one of the poor kids who needs law and order, who needs common sense, safety, but doesn't have access to it because our government so often refuses to do its job. >> emily: and by our government, harris, he means governor walz. i want to get your thoughts on something in particular. when he talks about the vulnerable communities that were disproportionally affected and remain affected to this day, they are intact disproportionately communities

of color. and yet this ticket was somehow presented to us as somehow jettisoning us into the future and taking his light years ahead for those people of color, and under their watch, they are who suffered most. >> harris: i was on air at that time, abc in minneapolis, for many years. when you take a look at that video and you see the flames and the businesses burning to the ground, it's not just a loss for the businesses. it's a loss for entire communities, particularly the people who are hired by small businesses, which we know makes north of 60% across the country. they are the biggest hiring faction we have in the country. for that particular community of color, though, it was already a struggle, because they were living under policies that weren't edifying them at the time. so when you wipe away whatever financial prosperity they had by taking away the hiring

capability and the businesses' resilience to come back, you have changed things for at least a generation, particularly in communities of color. it is a problem, and for him not to acknowledge the mistake of stepping in, not stepping in sooner than those four days, to have let more damage happen then was already in play, to not make sure that the punitive damages and the understanding across the country, that we will not live under tyranny by our neighbors who happen not to agree on how to protest something, can't keep it quiet -- not quiet, but safe, and peaceful was the word i was searching for. if we have to live under that, he's got to speak up and stop it as governor. he's got to accept help from then-president trump for the national guard to come and faster. check the facts on it. he didn't do that. so he's disingenuous when he says he cares. it's all in the rearview mirror. we don't know exactly what the future holds, but if he's in charge of it, it could look a

lot like minneapolis did in 2020. >> emily: and, bill, we reported extensively on the police station in minneapolis being totally under siege by members outside the community. we know members of the community were pleading for help. he also reported extensively on those, for example, elders and the community who couldn't access the medication, prescriptions and the like. we also reported on them crowd funding to pay for off-duty officers to protect their neighborhoods in minneapolis because the governor feel that his job. >> bill: so much to say. not quite sure where to begin, but i will go ahead and give it a shot. i think the last 16 hours have been absolutely fascinating. in the big picture, i think kamala harris picked exactly what he was looking for. they have taken and cobbled together, in the words of van jones, marbled together, a progressive ticket. they are putting other chips on progressive policies, and they believe they can win 1% more

than trump-vance can win in these three, four -- might not even be seven, just three or four states where they think they can do better. i thought what j.d. vance did today was very interesting. he's been hitting kamala harris because she is in taking questions. we'll see if tim walz is different or not. she breaks the string, we are 13 days removed from chicago's convention. i assume she does a press conference before then, but i don't know. i thought what vance did today with the cops behind him, talking about los and order, is very similar to what trump did during his first term. he was meeting with cops all the time. when he came to new york and busted up the ms-13 game out on long island, he made that a prominent part of his first term. i think it would be very interesting, also the fact that j.d. vance was in macomb county today. as reagan democrats, michigan. it's minnesota, wisconsin, michigan, and it's on repeat for both of these campaigns at this

point now. >> emily: kayleigh, focus on crime for a moment, specifically with the governor there. there are other allegations, for example, that he gave unprecedented access to his adult daughter for law enforcement movement that put first responders at risk. we have discussed the minute and also writ large and generational impact on those communities of color and impoverished under his state, and then we are supposed to believed through the few words they've shared so far that they are somehow champions of the working americans and those vulnerable communities. i do not buy it. i don't think anyone will. my question to you, will this work politically? >> kayleigh: let me just go back for a moment to the summer of 2020. i was in the white house with president trump. it was a trying time for any leader. it was a testing period for any leader. i remember standing on air force one with him, in his private office, the first time he saw the george floyd footage. i watched a leader, someone who watched that moment and said, this is terrible. i want to bring the country

together. you needed unity and you needed resolve, and he went on to nasa, and before he made his remarks before the spacex launch, he talked in a very important, impactful way about the moment we were at. then he exhibited leadership and called for law and order in the country. what did tim walz do? tim walz -- the image on your screen, that burning, he let minneapolis burn, three days. he delayed in calling out the national guard. i stood at the podium june 29th of 2020 and talked about the failed governor of minnesota, this man, who did not exhibit leadership. donald trump wanted to morally heal our country, and then he wanted to instill law and order. he enabled the second largest unrest in modern american history. so much so, you had 1500 businesses burn, $500 million in property damage, and the police chief they are said, "never in my 30-year experience in

multiple expenses of high civil unrest, including arson, sounds of gunshots, drug violence of this nature -- these events over the last 72 hours overwhelmed public safety." at a time when we have global unrest with iran, all around the world, you want the guy who enabled unrest in minneapolis and in minnesota? why did kamala make this pick? what a failure. that should play in every trump ad from now until november. >> emily: so if minnesota is the litmus test, morgan, for crime, especially right now, it is an abject failure. >> morgan: i agree. i want to go back to something harris said about the small businesses. we know, four years later, they need the small businesses never recovered. not only from covid -- because, remember, draconian locked out in that state, but the violence, as well. i grew up like an hour from kayleigh in central florida. my father installed air conditioners, and later he owned a servicemaster franchise where they clean carpets. this is what he raised three daughters on and this is what

small communities around the country, whether it's air conditioning businesses, cleaning up carpets and floods and fires, small businesses like this, whether it's the woman with the shop -- these are the lifeblood for these communities. when you take a small business out, not only are you taking away the life blood for the person who owns it. most of the people that my dad employed, they had children, they had families they were supporting. i don't think that people really understand the ramifications for the small businesses, as harris pointed out. and it hasn't gotten any better. i don't see why you would promote the governor based on his record in minnesota. >> emily: and that record specifically, we are always told from the left, don't put forth misinformation. it's all about the facts. well, the facts are, under his "leadership," homicides went up 50% when tim walz was governor. auto thefts, 163%. robberies, 10%. assault combined, 8%. >> harris: soft on crime. >> emily: exactly. the numbers don't lie.

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>> harris: when the president of the united states handpicks you to be in charge of the border, well, maybe you want a running mate who thinks like you. kamala harris' new running mate has a record on the border, and it's coming under scrutiny. in july, tim walz went after donald trump's idea of a border wall. watch. >> he talks about this wall. i always say, let me know how high it is. if his 25 feet, i'll invest in the 30-foot ladder factory. >> harris: okay, so february of 2024, you got the wall hanging there and then you've got this, let's turn minnesota into a century state.

let's make the sanctuary cities shine. well, he signed that legislation, and there was some bipartisan pushback in his state, but check it out. then he pushed her sanctuary cities in states in general. watch. >> should minnesota be a century state? >> if the definition of that as of the federal government enforces immigration law and local law enforcement enforces local law, then yes. >> should cities allowed dell might be allowed to be century cities? >> yes, local control. >> harris: then we had a friend on the couch here who said, hmm. back in 2018, tim walz pays governors for canceling the national guard deployments to the border. and here's what he said. "i applaud these governors. i would do the same." and tim walz has signed off on a number of handouts for illegal immigrants in minnesota, meanwhile. including state-funded health care, drivers licenses, and free in-state college

tuition. emily, we know how limited the resources are in urban areas where people are struggling under the weight of persistent high prices. how in the world do you spend those in freebies -- and it's a question i have for leadership. new york, too -- on people who are not citizens more than you do on your own citizens? he's got an answer for that. >> emily: it is, and his words, local control, which to me as a total distortion of the concept you just articulated, which is depletion of resources, and the other concept, of sanctuary cities. as we have reported here, cities like eagle pass, texas, have blown through the annual budget, obliterated through many times over, in the span of just a month or two, providing emergency services, for example, for those flooding across their border seeking amnesty were seeking citizenship or simply seeking a life away from the cartels at the behest of them. so when we talk about resources,

the whole point is that there is a finite amount, and the local control, those decisions thus negatively impact and disproportionally impacts, again, those under local control. when he says a century cities for local control, no, it's not. that means you're endangering your citizens and you are actively stymieing federal investigation and resources. by the way, where i come from, that's a felony in and of itself. tell it to the family of mb larson in the thousands of americans have died at the hands of these terrible people furthered by sanctuary city policies. >> harris: kayleigh, i always liked asking the question of what we are missing. what are you watching? >> kayleigh: one of the things i'm watching is the signal that kamala has sent to the american people on the issue of the border. i saw karoline leavitt on with you saying the border was not mentioned, and she went and searched the can't on my transcript. how do you not mention the top issue to the american people? kamala had a choice in her vp selection. to tell the american people 1 o. either "i hear you," or "i'm ignoring you."

"i hear you" would have been mark kelly. i say he's marginally better on the border. he is in arizona. "i hear you" would have been josh shapiro. she chose "i ignore you." she chose someone who wants century cities, to enable illegal immigrants to get drivers licenses, at a time when the majority say we want a border wall, including 42% of latinos in an axios poll in april. at a time when the majority say that we want mass deportation. and you choose the guy he was giving out drivers licenses to illegal immigrants? this is a big middle finger to the american people. "i'm going to admit because i've got the media. i don't care what you say." that's the message she sent with tim walz. >> harris: there was this idea, bill, that maybe mark kelly wouldn't be recognizable enough. how recognizable is tim walz outside of his far left politics? >> bill: i think yesterday's

introduction into philadelphia was a bio for both of them. she basically said we will give you a choice to vote. i think the phrase was "freedom to vote." we are going to give you the chance to love who you want to love and we are going to give you the option to choose one comes to abortion. that was about as close as she got to policy yesterday. and maybe she needs some time to introduce herself. but you are talking during the break, kayleigh, about these debates. i don't know if i can remember a time when the policies were so distinct between the two parties run for the white house. this is night and day stuff, folks. like j.d. vance said during our program earlier today, this is a policy choice. in that instance he was referring to law and order. but i think the policy choice that he stated is true for every issue that america faces today here and abroad. and there is a reason why they

see immigration to the same lens, and they are allowing the american people to decide whether or not we agree with their view of immigration today. it is day and night, it is black and white. >> harris: yeah, that's why we need a really crisp, clear interview with the top of the ticket, because this is such an important issue. morgan? >> morgan: and who knows how long we'll go without one. it's already been two plus weeks. she could already go to the convention. she is signaling that her toys where she's going to go. >> harris: interesting. >> morgan: i will enough to remember sean hannity back in 2008 in that election. every night he would have someone on the show who was a surrogate for then-senator obama, and would say, what is the one thing he's accomplished and done? i remember hannity did this throughout the 2008 election and no one could answer. i think the obama team, some of them are going to work for the harris campaign. they are doing that same playbook with her. it's running from the basement,

not answering questions. and who is really calling her out on it? nobody. when you look at the board issue specifically, it is not just the 10 million plus illegals that have come into this country. in minnesota they also gave drivers licenses to illegal immigrants, taxpayer-funded tuition free college and health care for illegal immigrants. so you would see what's happened in the last four years that our border, you would see that on fire with this ticket. you would see that exacerbated. enough of the century city talk. kamala harris and governor walz want to make this a sanctuary country. >> harris: something you said previously on this show has been waiting for illegals to vote. that's been part of the promise. mayor adams here in new york promised when he was running, we will give illegals the chance to vote. he didn't say make them citizens first. so it is interesting. >> morgan: the biggest thing, too, that i continue to worry about is, if this ticket does when back in november, if there's no recognition for what has happened at our southern

border -- we already know hundreds of terrorists on the fbi list have come over this border, and i worry that with the fbi director saying flashing red lights, guys, there is war and chaos in every theater almost in this globe right now, and i don't think anyone's going to be scared or intimidated by this ticket. >> harris: did kamala harris just snub pennsylvania and the governor, josh shapiro, to cater to the far left? stay close. veteran homeowners need cash but worried you can't get a home loan because of your credit? here's great news. at newday we've been granted automatic authority by the va to make our own loan approval decisions. in fact, if you've had credit challenges and missed a payment along the way, you're more than five times more likely to get approved for the newday 100 va cash out loan. no one knows veterans like newday usa.

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people concerned about gaza, a lot of muslims and arabs and others. they have not felt seen by the biden administration. but you also have anti-semitism that has gotten marveled into this party. you can before the palestinians without being an anti-jewish bigot, but there are some anti-jewish bigots out there, and there is some disquiet now, and there has to be. how much of what just happened is caving in to some of these darker parts of the party? that's going have to get worked out, talked through. >> kayleigh: this morning j.d. vance spoke about why he thinks anti-semitism could have played a role in harris' choice. >> i did not say that was the only reason that kamala harris didn't choose josh shapiro. so you should take a little less dnc talking points when you ask your questions and ask a real question. i have suggested that kamala harris was motivated, or at least her party was motivated, by anti-semitism. the evidence i offer for that is

what dozens of democratic activists said in the run-up to her selecting her nominee. there are multiple grassroots activists, multiple media personalities, multiple people with influence in the democrat party who suggested she should not choose josh shapiro because of his ethnic background. look, i don't care what your ethnic background is. i know donald trump doesn't care what your ethnic background is. i do not want to live in a country where we are choosing you the next vp is based on skin color or ethnic heritage. she is based on merit. the fact that so many prominent leaders in the far left cells empowered to talk about shapiro's ethnic heritage is a disgrace, and i think it is a scandal for the democrat party. yes, i do. >> kayleigh: 's almost every political prognosticator or person who does this for a living thinks that the snubbing of shapiro was very odd. i want to exploit kamala's motives for why she went to tim walz. one of those motives could be the fact that shapiro is jewish. look, he is critical of the netanyahu government, but he's

jewish and there is worry about the gaza protesters. i saw this in the "l.a. times" just before the choice was made. what kind of fences will the police have -- speaking of the dnc. will they bring dogs? this is someone who organized these gazan protesters. he stopped in the shadow of the united center, where the dnc will be, and he said this will draw tens of thousands of pro-palestinian demonstrators who are expected to protest against u.s. support of israel. so was kamala worried about inflaming this by picking someone like josh shapiro? >> morgan: this was a very big conversation online over the weekend, especially when it started to look like, at the end of last week, that he may be the pick. i think it probably has to do a lot more with the fact that he is an enormously talented politician and would have outshone her. when i saw him giving the speech yesterday, when i was watching it on fox, i thought, thank god they didn't take him. he was very good. >> bill: the alpha male is in the room!

>> morgan: and pennsylvania is obviously a state they need. so i think it was an error on their part to not take him. i am somewhat relieved they didn't. if you look at the conversations that happen online, as a jewish person in america, you have to be astounded that a national conversation can happen with the base of a party where they are choosing not to pick someone based off of their faith, based off of their religion. so you don't have to take it from us. i don't even think you have to assume this was part of the conversation. just go look on social media. >> kayleigh: here may be the actual reason this happened. he outshined kamala harris. he just did pretty gay people obama-type dives with his cadence, though he delivered his message. as i was leaving here yesterday, bill, i saw this politico reporting that josh shapiro, after a sunday meeting, he said, and i thought to myself, why is he struggling with this? and then cnn came out with the

questions, she wanted to make sure she could ask questions like this during the vetting process. you going to go from a principle to a hybrid principal stafford. to the vp is now a stafford. can you make that transition? the biggest hurdle for shapiro with his face-to-face meeting where he poses specific questions about the role of vice president, including what decisions he would be included in making. wow. >> bill: i think it would be interesting to get a camera in that interview with the two of them. i don't know what the reason is, but it's possible, to your point. but there was a lot of pushback emanating from somewhere friday and saturday and into sunday, stacking up against him. where that was coming from, i don't know. fetterman was one of them. we won't no, that hypothetically speaking, there's a chance, if josh shapiro is on the ticket, you can have thousands in michigan who sit out this election. they would choose not to vote. that's a possibility. i'm not saying it was. i thought he was very impressive yesterday.

i thought she gave a great speech. she read the great teleprompter. i don't know what she is off the teleprompter. that's what america needs to know. apparently tim walz never read a teleprompter and during the vetting process he told them, one thing you've got to know about me, i can't do this prompter thing. to the practice backstage. i thought he pulled it off equally as well, so i give all three of them credit for their performance last night in philadelphia. it was a packed house, 15,000 people going nuts. it's one more thing i want to say -- i have felt for several weeks that j.d. vance was hesitant. in his interviews, and his answers, on the stump. i thought his speech in person in milwaukee was less than impressive. i, however, as of yesterday, believes that he hit his stride, and it happened when his plane landed in philadelphia and he was talking with reporting on the plane. he knew walz was going to be his counter on the democratic ticket, and he was answering questions. he said, i want to say one thing. you people are not doing your job. you are allowing her 16 days as

of yesterday now not to answer any questions. i'm asking you, do your job. i have the press conference he held, impromptu, in detroit, that we watched live for 26 minutes, thought the questions are great, the answers were very impressive. i think j.d. vance is a different politician today than he was 48 hours ago. >> harris: i had been reporting that he had stumbled. i even asked, interviewed members of the campaign. what's next for him? he did something that we don't normally see. he turned a rally into a news conference. and the reason i think you liked it so much is because you ad lib a lot. we all do. we give an unscripted talk show here. we appreciate it when people can think on their feet. and he didn't other questions, we didn't know what his answers were going to be. they weren't in the prompter. so i think that is growth in an area that perhaps kamala harris will never have, at least not in the next 90 days. tim walz a little bit more, but i thought the star last night was the pennsylvania governor, josh shapiro. >> kayleigh: no doubt. >> harris: i began to have

even more questions about why they didn't choose him. of course we brought up senator fetterman, so i found this in my notes. he accused shapiro of being excessively focused on his own personal ambitions. if you know you have more talent than the top of the ticket, you might be ambitious, too. >> kayleigh: that's right, it was funny to watch fetterman's face as josh shapiro took the stage. they have a little angst between them, that josh shapiro stole the show. when you watch that, this is the case for primaries, because kamala harris would have never come the nominee against someone like josh shapiro who is not good on the stump. by the way, that good when he takes questions. >> emily: so it was either a colossal mistake late on her part, or evidence of her massive hubris that we know has been following her around. do you choose chemistry or or obsobsequence? i will point out

something interesting that tammy bruce talked about yesterday that i found so fascinating. perhaps it was him that said, no thanks, i'll sit this out. that said, i don't need thing to do this kind of t ticket or candidate that wouldn't even consider people sitting out in minnesota as even a factor, because proudly, as a jewish american, i don't want anything to do with that level of anti-semitism, up to full blown acquiescence anti-semitism. bravo for him if that's the case. >> kayleigh: if that's the case. who knows? reporting hints at that. maybe he's preserving himself or 2028 and it's the best decision he could have made. time will tell. we will find out. the squad is getting smaller. missouri congresswoman cori bush just lost her bid for reelection. she joins jamal bowman. that's next. ♪ ♪ (vo) dan made progress with his mental health,

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♪ ♪ >> harris: wah, wah! the so-called phila squad to scott smallie. cori bush lost her primary race, defeated by wesley bell. cori bush will be remembered for, among other things, or use of campaign money for private security. when she was in favor of defunding the police, but she needed some protection, so she used taxpayer money for it. it was the subject of a federal investigation. remember this epic grant? >> you faced some criticism in recent weeks over your push to

defund the police. campaign records show that you spent roughly $70,000 on private security, and some critics say that move is hypocritical. what is your response to those critics? >> they would rather i died a question mark you would rather me die? is that what you want to see? you want to see me die? because i could be the alternative. so either i spent $70,000 on private security over the last few months, and i'm here standing now and able to speak, able to help save 11 million people from being evicted, or i could possibly have a death attempt on my life. >> harris: cori bush is now the second squad member to lose a primary this year. she joins new york congressman and convicted fire alarm polar jamaal bowman. morgan? >> morgan: i don't delight in people's downfall in washington normally, because it happens a lot, and i think, woe is me.

i'm making an exception, i just want to say. bye, felicia. she's a full on anti-semite. she also was very threatening last night in her concession speech, and she said she threatened to tear aipac's kingdom down. i would like for the former congresswoman to know that no weapon formed against me shall prosper. >> harris: preach! hands in the air. emily? >> emily: in the colossal loss, despite historical infusions of money. despite them spending historic amounts, they still lost. i hope this is a referendum on the way the country is going. it was terrifying to me, talking about the odds nationally at that kamala-walz ticket. i hope that what we are seeing is americans saying no more. >> harris: maybe we should roll out commercial breaks. like a little box on the bottom. >> bill: aipac had a big hand in this race in missouri. they also had a big hand in

jamaal bowman losing, as well. it's the big political action committee out of washington, d.c. her movement, the movement is not dead but it's a little weaker today. >> kayleigh: i've got to say this about cori bush -- not only did she threatened to tear aipac down. the sentence before that, this was her defiant losing message. "all they did was radicalize me." she was already medical. so now they need to be afraid. they're about to see this other side. whoa. so we have seen a rejection of the radical left, and kamala harris has decided to double down. but do not fear, cori bush and jajamaal bowman have huge futur. you're probably looking at the next secretary of state, and i don't know what they will give him. i don't want to know. these are the characters that are going to be in the kamala harris white house. make no mistake. most radical administration in history. don't do it, america. >> harris: all right. well come from that to taylor swift, because we roll like that.

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>> doing campaign rallies coming of the next few minutes. kamala harris and j.d. vance both in eau claire, wisconsin. look at the momentum? daily politics fix coming up with katie pavlich and others. and was tim walz good or bad for minnesota? we would talk to one business owner who had to close in the wake of the 2020 riots. mortgage rates starting to slowly march down. what's behind it? charles payne is here. and why aerosmith lead singer steven tyler had to call it quits. the end of a rock 'n' roll era. i'm john roberts. come join sandra smith and me top of the hour for "america reports." see you then. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> kayleigh: a simple endorsement from taylor swift could impact the white house. democrats are paying for that, that it will fire up young voters. in "the new york times" reported back in january that swift was the biden campaign's biggest and most influential endorsement

target. and now fans think swift may have given a clue. fans think this photo you're looking at posted on swift's social media, which shows a silhouette in the background of harris, some would say. however, swift hasn't made any public statements on the election yet. look, emily, this could be much ado about nothing. this morning there was a series of seven photos, and this was the seventh photo. some say it's a silhouette of kamala harris, and some say it's a backup dancer who has just shaded in the background and maybe nothing to here. i don't know. >> emily: yes, i think there are mountains made out of mole hills, especially when taylor swift is the subject, because so many people adore her and love to dissect everything. i do think that what we need to emphasize, however, is the enormous sway and influence she does indeed have. she has spoken publicly before that she would stay out of it for that reason, and i'm hoping we don't use celebrity influence

and endorsement as an actual impact on the presidential election that has real impact on so many americans' lives. >> kayleigh: harris, she did get involved last time. "i spoke to v magazine about while i'll be voting j b, joe biden, for hesitant. it's important to come out the night of the vp debate. i'm going to be supporting kamala harris by yelling at the tv a lot and i have some custom cookies." and you see her with the cookies. but her father cautioned against this. "people" magazine, "why taylor swift's terrified father a poster taking a political stance." i think it would be unwise. she could make her decision but you're going to isolate people. >> harris: and there are some grants from the family conversation. it was tearful, reportedly, and tough with her dad. i was not there. >> bill: good reporting. >> harris: the tickets are extremely expensive to go see her. i know, because my bella's 16th birthday, that's what she wanted. she is a huge taylor swift fan. if we are going to pay that much

money has consumers, you don't need to serve a politics for that. it's divided, why can't you go to a concert without that? she can vote how she wants, talk about it offstage. but when people pay to see you, just performed. this is just my take on that picture, if your backup dancer, why are you in a suit? you can see those are a blazer and pants. however it is, they're wearing a suit. is there a song where she sings "i went to the corporate office?" i don't know. >> morgan: my friend, kendall, who is watching, knows everything about taylor swift and william and kate and the royals. she swears to me this is a male backup dancer. who knows? i can't imagine being swayed based off a celebrity or an artist on who i'm going to vote for. maybe somebody is. i don't really see evidence of that. also, i'm pretty sure that trump is somewhat of a swiftie. it's reported he was caught listening to her album on his ipad and he said nice things about her.

so maybe everyone is a swiftie but me. i would rather go to the opera. >> bill: i don't remember that tweet from four years ago but that's a telltale sign. i would imagine at some point she's going to lend her name to kamala harris' campaign in some form. maybe it's another tweet on x. whatever it is. but i do believe her concerts do not go political. now, yesterday tim walz got up there and was yelling for springsteen. every four years, they can't help themselves. they want to be out there. i would imagine a lot of them will. what springsteen would do, however, he would bring the politics up at his shows. and people were like, we don't want that. and it turned a lot of people off. and he stopped. so now on the current tour, wherever he is in europe, he leaves that stuff out. and it's a much more enjoyable experience. if i would give advice to celebrities, i would do the same thing. >> harris: . >> harris: amen. >> kayleigh: that's great

advice, and i would remind people, taylor swift endorsed the opponent of marsha blackburn and now we have senator marsha blackburn. so there's a limit to these endorsements. stay out of it. people want to listen to music free of politics. more "outnumbered" in a moment. ♪ ♪ so, what are you thinking? i'm thinking... (speaking to self) about our honeymoon. what about africa? safari? hot air balloon ride? swim with elephants?

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♪ ♪ >> last but not least, an amazing moment for american writer call hawker, team usa, winning gold after an incredible finish in the men's 1500. watch. >> here he comes on the outside. all the talking is over. the champion is in front and cole hocker wins gold!

he upsets the favorites. it is gold for the usa! >> oh, what an american success story. felt chills. >> i struggle to run a ten minute mile, so this is amazing. and also, it is wonderful to see americans win like this. >> just took the lead in gold by one. winning over all but took the lead in gold by one. >> they cut to cole's mom right before he ran. she had bowed her head and it was so beautiful, and when he cross that finish line, he said these two guys, ran right past them. >> lyle wooding the 100-meter for the first time in a long time. >> congratulation to all of these champions and team usa. thank you all for watching and i hear a "america reports." >> john: emily, thank you, and we are waiting