neil: all right, we start our second hour at 11 a.m. on the east coast of the united states.

we're going to go to grady trimble, because he's the in middle of this battle of the battleground states among the two tickets and what they are prioritizing and exactly how much money they're spending will be the focus on this opening segment. first to grady in las vegas. what he sees and what they're doing. grady? reporter: hey, neil. vice president harris and her runningmate governor tim walz will be here in las vegas this afternoon for a big campaign rally. it's the last of, last stop in their battleground blitz though certainly not the last time they will be out here in states like nevada and like arizona. that's where the pair were last night, and harris in particular faces a unique challenge out west and it could be a really big one. she's got to convince voters she will be tough on immigration, which of course is a key issue nationally, but in particular, in these sunbelt swing states that are on the border, or close to it, so you can expect former president trump himself and the trump campaign more

broadly to hit harris on that, leading up to november, but the harris campaign is trying to combat that. they are out with a new ad saying she will take care of the border despite the record numbers of illegal crossings under the biden-harris administration. last night in arizona, we got a sense of what harris' tact will be when it comes to immigration. she blamed former president trump for the border crisis. >> earlier this year, we had a chance to pass the toughest bipartisan border security bill in decades. but donald trump tanked the deal. when i am president, i will sign the bill. reporter: trump had a rally last night in montana, got off to a little bit of a late start after airport officials say his plane had mechanical issues. had to make a forced landing in billings as opposed to where the rally was in bozeman. he did eventually make it to bozeman and once he took

the stage he hammered harris for her role in the border crisis. he also brought up next month's debate which both candidates have now agreed to. >> joe biden was exposed during the debate, likewise kamala will be exposed during the debate. >> [applause] >> she will be exposed during the debate, or debates. and you know, when biden came out with a brilliant idea to have a debate, how did that work out for him? not so good. reporter: so you heard former president trump there saying or debates, an indication that he wants to debate harris more than once. he says he's agreed to three dates in september, including one on fox, though both sides have to agree to debate, of course and they've only agreed to that one on september 10 with abc. as far as today, for former president trump, no big rallies on the schedule, but he does have two fundraisers, neil. those will be in colorado and wyoming. neil? neil: grady, thank you. grady trimble in las vegas.

want to go to justin well the gop pollster and jenna arnold with us, democratic strategist. this is open to both of you. maybe if i begin with you justin. kamala harris wants only one debate. she's not agreed to these two additional ones including one offered by fox. how does that go? what do you think? >> well, she's being very protective of her airtime and there's, i think there's a reason for that. kamala harris doesn't really perform terribly well when engaged in a question-and-answer session. there's a reason that she's been basically radio silent for almost the entirety of the presidency and i think that's smart what she's doing by the way. she's gathering momentum. she's certainly gathering campaign dollars. it's exactly what she should do but the moment that she's actually starting to engage with voters, and a debate is one of those natural spaces. i think it's going to be challenging for her. she may overcome it but that's where we will really see if

this has genuine traction for her to catapult. neil: do you think in the end, jenna, we will be looking at more than one debate or just depends? sometimes if you desperately need it, the candidate who trails will really push for it. you could make an argument that if they are both even in the polls there's reason for them both to sort of keep pushing for more. what do you think? >> neil, justin, it's so good to be here with you this morning thank you so much for having me and i can say with absolute confidence you will see kamala speak whether it's at debates or continue to hit home runs at all of these rallies. i don't think kamala has opted into being radio silent over the past couple of years, justin to the comment, this is the role that vice president takes. it is definitely a plan b. step aside from the president position so she hasn't been intentionally being quiet. she's been doing a very good job in her role as a vp. neil: um, you know, justin, she does touch on something, because there is sometimes a virtue in

talking less, especially if your opponent is talking more about things that probably aren't constructive to him. i'm talking about donald trump and his fixation on these attacks, on brian kemp, the georgia governor, whose very very popular, and then the back and forth on kamala harris and whether she's black or has ever owned up to being black. larry hogan is running to turn a blue seat in that state red, and i caught up with him in the middle of his senate campaign and he echoed this theme essentially. what are you doing, donald trump? i want you to react to this. >> i just don't think that's useful at all to have republican nominee for president attacking a republican governor over some perceived slight from years ago. it just, none of this stuff is helpful if you're trying to win an election. neil: do you think donald trump is blowing it if he keeps this up? >> i've heard him say he's

going to focus on the issues and that's sort of what i've been suggesting for quite a while and i think a lot of people in the party, although not everybody is speaking out, i think they would all like to see a campaign based on the issues that are important to americans. neil: all right, justin, clearly, larry hogan and donald trump have had their differences, but this does resonate with other powerful republicans with whom i've chatted that they think donald trump has a lot going for him including all of these issues tthat he can pound and successfully has done so again and again but he's hurting himself. do you think donald trump is hurting himself? >> yeah, absolutely and i think the narrowing of the polls says more than just a honeymoon period for kamala harris which is certainly in part. i think it also is a lack of focus, defrayed focus by former president trump, to go away from the issues that matter. first one as we all know, by far and away, by a factor of over 2x is cost of living, inflation. he can speak to that very well, and then the next three kind of jumbling for second depending on

where you are, certainly immigration, healthcare, some other items. he needs to focus on this. this is where he's going to start picking up or kamala will start picking up those voters, those few voters who remain undecided. if he continues on these attacks it's not resonating on anyone outside his core base who loves to see it. everyone else is focused on the things that matter day-to-day. >> i agree with justin. neil: finish that thought, jenna, i'm sorry. >> i concur with justin. i think it's time for all of us to elevate the conversation to what it is that we want to see happen in this country moving forward. its been really uncomfortable and at times violent to be on the other side of some of the bullying remarks from donald trump, particularly related to kamala's race when her father's 100% jamaican and her mother is indian. the fact that we're stooping to those kinds of conversations i think is not in service of

the kind of work that this country wants to do with ourselves, when it comes to policymaking and i think you see the invested dollars and the amount of there's been 170,000 doors that have been knocked, 2 million text messages that have been sent, since biden stepped down, you really see a lot of people making a different kind of investment into this country, and i urge donald trump to be part of that conversation, because his voters and people who watch this network deserve it. neil: it is a tight race, as things stand right now, so if anything you can do to sort of get back to some of these issues there is the argument that it changes once they're addressed but too soon to tell but justin and jenna thank you both very much. by the way we're getting an interesting spin on kamala harris and why she constantly shuts down these lock-them-up chance that pop-up on some appearances that it might, might be a way of shielding donald

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brain on this , the former deputy assist attorney general and berkeley law professor, much, much more, pretty good lawyer. if you're in deep trouble you do want to seek out john, so john? it is an interesting strategy and i wanted to talk to you about it, that this lock-them-up thing is more than just a political statement here. it's a way to avoid anything that could get into this interference thing on these charges. what do you make of that? >> neil, if i'm the guy the call when someone's in trouble, then kamala harris and joe biden should be calling me up now or the special counsel should be calling me up now because they have dug themselves such a hole, because what you saw there is kamala harris trying to deal with the fundamental problem that they caused by using the justice department to go after their main political rival in the presidential election and so usually as a candidate you want to attack your opponent but on the other hand, when you're in charge of the justice department, and you control all of the federal prosecutors,

as biden and harris do, they're not supposed to be using the media to try to taint the jury pool. donald trump will be able to go into court now and say look, i never got a fair trial because the prosecutors, joe biden, kamala harris, on down to the special counsel, have been accusing me in the media, of being an insurrectionist. how am i able to get a fair jury trial. those prosecutors have broken their professional ethics by trying to try me in the media instead of trying me in the courthouse, which is where they are supposed to do it. neil: all right, but donald trump didn't stop fans of his from saying about hillary clinton lock her up, so is the difference that there are no ongoing legal cases regarding hillary clinton at that time. there are plenty of legal cases ongoing against donald trump at this time? >> it's interesting, neil. people forget that what kamala harris and joe biden have done

is something that donald trump could have done, but actually, despite all his chanting lock her up, remember he said at the debates he was going to throw her in jail or she be in jail soon? actually when donald trump became president, he followed our 200-plus year norm of not going after political rivals with prosecution and the justice department. he could have had hillary clinton prosecuted for diverting all those classified e-mails into her home computer system, but he didn't. actually, the justice department dropped it. they could have gone after him. neil: if you're just talking, i understand what you're saying very well and you say it eloquently, john, but if you're talking about insightful rhetoric both sides are guilty of this. i guess in this case, you wonder where this is going, and this particular case, that she doesn't want necessarily delayed or put off or god forbid in her perspective, you know, completely shut down, so where

does it stand, as things stand now? >> it's a nice point. right now, actually, the special counsel just went into court to ask for a three-week delay in the proceedings. this is a special counsel appointed by merrick garland and joe biden whose rushing rushing rushing to try to get the case in before the election, and it took the supreme court to say no, we're going to strike out the main charge of this obstruction of justice charge, we're going to strike that out. we're going to grant presidents an immunity from prosecution which no supreme court has ever recognized before, as for presidents. you couldn't get a stronger message from the courts that this kind of law fair should be brought to an end so i would say i don't expect this , but i would think if harris whose vice president or joe biden whose president were to do something truly daring they could say this was all a mistake. we made a mistake, and we're going to drop the prosecution. we're not going to, we're going to fire the special counsel, in fact, a trial judge in florida has already said the special counsel's unconstitutional.

we're just going to close shop on this and let the voters decide this november, which is how our system handle cases like donald trump for 200-plus years. neil: all right, well that would, you're the legal expert but as you know because i've watched so many law shows i do qualify. that seems unlikely to me, but could i get your sense if donald trump loses this election, if he wins a lot of this stuff could go away, just by the virtue of he's the president of the united states or he can do a lot, but if he loses, what still hangs in the balance? >> neil, you're watching the best law shows from what i can tell, because that is -- neil: i'm listening to you. >> that is an unanswered question. nobody knows. so we know if donald trump wins, and he becomes president, he actually becomes head of the justice department and he can have these cases against him dropped. there's still going to be the new york and georgia cases that could still be going forward, but those might get delayed until after he's president. if he loses, you're asking

the best question, neil. what does harris do? is she going to continue this campaign because i think if she does, that means that norm that we followed for 200 years is going to be permanently broken and we could see the reciprocal, tit-for-tat fights against whoever wins the presidency goes after their predecessor just like we see in latin american countries or asian countries or she could say i will drop all the charges against trump. this was a mistake for our system. we want to restore the idea that we're not going to use prosecution to settle our political differences. neil: interesting. you know, john, we're wrapping up the olympics but if there were a medal for outstanding legal analysis i'd give you the gold right now. thank you so much. john yoo, former deputy assistant attorney general of the united states. in the meantime, our charlie gasparino has written a great

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friend charlie gasparino here to elaborate. happy saturday to you, charlie. i know your book is selling like crazy but you do raise a very good point that i think people miss, and maybe it might be a background and backdrop for all the craziness in the markets. the pain and the financial are going woke but the inflationary to that, what do you make of that? charlie: listen the markets are going crazy because we had inflation and the fed addressed it by much higher interest rates and reducing its balance sheet so you start putting into the markets a whole other level of volatility and confusion, particularly as the fed right now is on the precipice of maybe lowering rates or maybe not. who knows what's going to happen in september but the markets are getting scared so you have to ask yourself, how did we get inflation and this is a question or an answer i present in my book and again this is not an economic treaty. it's my book. i bring you inside the hallways of blackrock with larry fink, the big asset management firm

that was on the tip of the speer i guess for environmental social government investing, and you could make a good case, and i show it through anecdotes that hadsesg, the sort of notion that you're an asset manager and you tell your portfolio companies what to do in terms of reducing their carbon foot print, that if you do that enough beings enougy with oil companies, they are going to stop drilling and invest in windmills to get those esg scores up because their biggest investor is demanding it and that's essentially what happened, and one of the reasons why the second part of the book is called "go broke" is because there's been an unwinding of corporate wokeness and esg in particular. people are not embracing environmental social government investing because the secrets out there. when you tell an oil company in the middle of rising inflation, because of the fed and the biden administration spending, will come out of the covid lockdowns,

you have a russia invading ukraine which constrains oil supply, then you throw in esg which does it, it just took inflation to another level. neil: but it gets even more dangerous or more manipulative, of course you're going after anheuser-busch, i mean, explain that. charlie: well listen, wokeness comes in many forms. esg is one of the main drivers of corporate wokeness but so is diversity, equity and inclusion and when this commercial came out, it was social media spot. you know, the company went and essentially started blaming a couple individuals in the marketing department. what i did through my reporting, and i show this and i dramatize it is that it was much more than that. it was the company saying, you have to engage, in all levels of the company. this is at anheuser-busch, which is part of a bigger company called inbev, which is a very not-davos-oriented dei woke

company. you have to make wokeness and dei throughout the company, including your influencers like dillon mulvaney, and they wanted to go the dei route with gender identity and that's how this woman got to be in a beer commercial and so off-brand for budweiser, you know, it wasn't just a couple woke people in the marketing department like the corporate, the ceo's and they tried to say. it was literally these policies. by the way, it's called go broke again because we should point out that bud light after that disastrous ad went from the number one beer now to the number three beer and here is the funny thing. as they are trying to de-wokeify the company, they signed up a big sponsoring deal with dana white of the ufc, so they are going really non-woke and on top of that, dana white has another sport. it's called power slap. i'm telling you, it's not for the faint of heart. it's literally two guys slapping each other. anheuser-busch to

dewoke-ify itself may be sponsoring that in one of its brands. just think about that. neil: a couple of viewers volunteer you for the slapping, but could i ask you this? what happened to the days where public companies at least were duty-bound to their shareholders? i mean, did anyone ever in these meetings for some of these, you know, strategies say all right, this could hurt our stock price. this could hurt our shareholders. this could hurt our bosses. the shareholders. charlie: right and the people we have a fiduciary responsibility to is our shareholders. okay, so here is what happened. if jack well welsh, he would sa, iran ge for the shareholders. in 2017, 2018, something interesting happened. there was a business group called the business roundtable. huge group by the way. every major ceo belongs to this. you're a member when you're the ceo of the top 100 companies. jamie dimon, ironically,

the great banker that he is of jpmorgan, presided over the shareholder capitalism for what's known as stakeholder capitalism, and that in many ways was one of the critical moments to making business and corporate america woke because once you started saying we are the world, you know, we are the children, as we try to like manage companies, it's a whole other set of parameters and considerations you have. then we should look at the shareholder. now, listen, milton friedman came up with shareholder capitalism we should point out. just make the shareholders whole and make them rich and you know, pollute the environment to do so. that wasn't his thing. this thing was do it within the constrains of ethics and legality but this took it to a different level and i think that's when once they went to stakeholder capitalism, that's when you saw everything else, wokeness go on steroids. now there is a fight back. the consumer, and i tell you

this is like if you want to draw a parallel to the presidential election, kamala harris has come out, the democratic presidential candidate and said we need more wokeness. we need to do this. her runningmate is very woke. what's interesting is that the american consumer has rejected wokeness. i wonder, and just you read my book and you'll find out why because it's not just budweiser, it's disney and blackrock. you go down the list. i wonder if they accept it in a presidential candidate. it'll be very interesting. neil: interesting. that could be your next book right there. charlie: there you go, thank you. oh, god. i'll write the proposal in five minutes. neil: anything i could do. charlie: i'll throw you an agency fee. neil: there we go. i'm still thinking of the slapping thing and the great market there. charlie, always good seeing you my friend. continued success with your book and everything else. charlie gasparino among the best on the planet when it comes to covering this sort of stuff. in the meantime covering these astronauts remember when they went up in starliner more than a month ago and were just going to stay like seven to 10 days.

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neil: well, they had the black box in that brazil plane crash that killed 61 yesterday. we still don't know how it happened, and what could have made it happen, so suddenly. stephanie bennett now has

more from london. stephanie? reporter: neil, yeah, still a lot more questions than answers at this moment. of course the cause of the crash as you mentioned is still unknown at this time, but good news is is that they did find that black box. now, as we know, once you find that, it stores the plane's data. so hopefully we can get some more answers once they start to investigate that and might indicate what went wrong. for now the brazilian air force have sent a team to investigate alongside the country's federal police. the airlines say all 61 people on board including four crew members and 57 passengers were killed. footage from social media crazy. it shows the atr-72 aircraft spiraling out of control before plunging towards the ground in the capella neighborhood, which is a gated community. that's about 50 miles north of sao palo. reports say only one home was damaged an none of the residents were hurt. the flight had taken off from southern brazil and was bound

for the international airport before it crashed it was about an hour and a half into its journey. a large plume of black smoke soon filled the air, according to a fire spokesman the victim's bodies are ic taken to the capitol's legal medical institute and so far only a handful have been identified. brazil's president got the news while presenting at an event at the time. >> i have to be the bearer of very bad news, and i would like everyone to stand up so that we can have a minute of silence, because a plane has just crashed in the city of vinhedo. well 58 passengers and four crew, and it looks like everyone died, so i wanted to ask for a minute of silence for the victims. reporter: and the crash is brazil's deadliest since 2007 when 199 people were killed. neil? neil: stephanie, thank you. stephanie bennett in london. switching right now to the middle east where they're waiting for war, expanded war,

and how iran is going to respond either directly itself or through and with its proxies. alex hogan has more right now from tel aviv. alex? reporter: hi, neil. well the us is underscoring its commitment to the, to israel and its defense while it's also in the region. there is a lot of preparation and bracing for that potentially iranian attack but also continued calls for restraint. we heard that just last night on fox news from state department spokesperson matt miller saying that there's current undergoing diplomatic effort at play, really to make sure that both sides press on pause. >> it should be very clear to iran that escalation is not in their interest. it's not in israel's interest, it's not in any country in the region's interest. we have delivered that message to israel. we know that other countries have delivered it to iran. reporter: israel says the delegateds well resume the cease-fire negotiations on

thursday and hamas is reportedly reviewing those terms of the current proposal but meanwhile today in gaza the death toll continues to rise after the israeli air strike that took place earlier this morning on a school reportedly being used as a shelter for palestinians displaced in hamas' nearly 100 people are dead. that is one of the highest and deadliest attacks on the strip since the start of the war, but there is no way to verify these numbers on the ground. although footage does show destruction there. the idf says this was a precise strike on a building being used as a hamas command and control center. now israel also says it carried out this strike. take a look in southern lebanon last night which killed a senior hamas official who helped plan and carry out attacks on northern israel. it has been months of continued cross fire along israel's northern border and last night the state department said that washington will release those three and a half billion dollars worth of aid to israel for us weaponry and other military equipment. meanwhile the us defense

official that spoke to fox last night explained that a drone strike hit a landing zone in northeast in syria at a base where us forces and other coalitions are based. no injuries were reported but neil, this was the third attack on us forces overseas in the middle east just within the last month. neil? neil: alex, be safe. thank you very much. alex hogan following all of that as is general jack keane back with us right now. the us four star general, fox news strategic analyst, institute for the study of war, former vice chief of staff of the army. general, always good having you. the wait continues, but what if the response will be a series of proxy attacks? nothing more than that. not that that's minimized but what do you make of that? >> yeah, well, certainly hezbollah likely to attack here and also iran directly, the other proxies may participate as well, but the two principles, iran and hezbollah, they don't want a war with

israel. they know economically that will be a major setback and geopolitically as well and in case of iran, it actually risks losing their regime, and the israelis don't want an all-out war either so obviously trying to find the right balance is really the key, but i think, neil, you know on reflection here, i think prime minister netanyahu has really stepped up his game and with a sense of conviction and determination to finish this war on his terms. you know, he's completed the operation in a week or two, very successfully, minimum casualties, moved the people out of the area. the administration said don't do this operation. he stepped up his game and came very close from my sources saying to get sinwar, which would have been incredibly around the exact time that he was killing hamas' political chief and another hamas leader

mohammed dief and taken down a hezbollah major leader as well and i think what is happening here is prime minister netanyahu is going after high-value leadership targets in addition to increasing the tempo of operations in the middle east. he's sending a loud message to the iranians and to their proxies that he's into this until he finishes it, and look what took place in the attack on the political chief of hamas. i mean, taking him down certainly in and of itself was a major issue at a time when negotiations are taking place, and he's the chief negotiator. he happened to be on a visit in iran, but the location, neil, is really the issue here, because they penetrated a high-security zone for a vip guest house in the general vicinity of where the iranian government officials live. therefore, they're all in that area, under the protection of

their security services, and here comes the massad, likely assisted by iranian resistance group to make that kind of penetration. netanyahu is telling those iranian leaders if i can kill a visitor in your high security zone, i think i can kill your high government officials who live there permanently as well, because i have penetrated your security services, and previous espionage operations have also confirmed that as well. i think netanyahu steps up this game here to get the iranians to back up, and to make certain they all understand that despite all "the talk" about cease-fire and all the pressure from this administration, netanyahu is not going to give up the fight in gaza until he eliminates hamas as an effective fighting organization. he'll take a temporary cease-fire for sure, in exchange for hostages but that's not what the administration wants, neil.

they want a permanent cease-fire and they will take it now. they just aren't saying it, and what netanyahu is saying, i've got to finish this , or else hamas is going to reassure tack again and i'm getting inside the iranian leader's head so they understand what i'm really about here. neil: and you mentioned the administration, general. i had a state department spokesman on earlier this past week, and he acknowledged that there was very little, if any, heads up on the part of the israelis about these attacks and the coordinated plan to take out these hamas and hezbollah leaders and you raised the issue as well, that if one facility could be booby trapped so to speak, i'm sure there's a frantic run all over iran to say nothing in lebanon to check out a similar facility so he's obviously that as netanyahu changed the tone and the tune going so far as to let the administration know, you're on a need to know basis and right now, you don't need to know. that's remarkable in and of itself, isn't it?

>> well i think it is, and certainly, once you start telling people what you're doing, someone tells somebody else, and it's very likely this stuff gets leaked out, and we're going after a sensitive target like an individual as opposed to a facility, that is much more challenging. i really think that this administration is not on the same page with the prime minister. that's just the reality of it. neil: got it. general, thank you so much. always learn a lot. general jack keane, following these developments. again we are keeping a very very close eye on the middle east and of course we'll continue to do so. also keeping a close eye on, well the eastern coast of the united states. flooded and getting even moreso, after this. here's why you should switch fo to duckduckgo on all your devie duckduckgo comes with a built-n engine, like google, but it's r and doesn't spy on your searchs

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the debby downpour continues what began off the coast of florida and up through south and north carolina up the east coast right now, eventually it'll be leaving maine and out into the atlantic but not before stopping off in canada, so katie burn following it closely in a fooded westfield, pennsylvania. katie? reporter: hi, neil. we no one person is still missing from here, in tyoga county after water from this river rose about 10 feet in less than six hours, giving people little time to escape. that water just took over this town, and it actually lifted homes and sheds off their foundations and lodged them into other people's backyards like this one. this area was hit with one of four debby-triggered flash flood emergencies in the northeast that happened yesterday and people who live in this town tell me they climbed to their roofs while waiting to be rescued. it took hours for the water to recede so some people are just making it back to their homes

this morning. many are pumping out feet of water from their basements and shoveling out mud and silt. kendra holler is on edge after what she saw. >> things i've never seen in my life. it was heartbreaking watching this little town go to nothing. so the parents were holding the kids. they had the parents in buoys and they had lines stretched so they could hold on to them and they walked them to a very short dry spot. reporter: crews are still assessing the damage trying to figure out how many homes are destroyed and we know that disaster emergency declarations were declared because of the devastation by both the new york and pennsylvania governors, neil. neil: all right, katie, thank you for that, following this very closely as she has throughout this storm and remember, never got beyond

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neil: all right, an olympian moment for astronauts butch wilmore and sidney williams having olympic fun. it was supposed to be eight, maybe 10 days max, its been a little bit more than 60 days and no indication right now whether the starliner astronauts are coming home any time soon with talk that it could be well into next year before they do. terry vertz a former international space station commander kind enough to join us. terry great to have you back. can you really see it being that long before they return to earth, like next year? >> well, i hope not. i hope they are able to come back on the boeing capsule soon. i think for perspective, nasa always has a backup plan and a backup plan and a backup plan. the russians had a pretty bad leak a few years ago and they had to do some contingency planning how to get those astronauts back, so this is not anything new. of course it's getting a lot of attention because boeing has had these visible problems with

their small rocket jets but i think the perspective is this is a contingency plan that hopefully they won't have to use. >> all right, i hope so too. terry, you know, spacex comes up a lot as that contingency plan and there inlies this competitive rub between boeing and spacex. they work together but didn't want to work together particularly boeing relying on spacex to be the rescuer here. what is the likelihood of that? >> well, that's certainly boeing. boeing wants the astronauts to come down on the boeing capsule and i think nasa does too. that's best what's for the space program. it's not only boeing that's competing at spacex. jeff bezos and his blue origin company is also another -- neil: sure, sure. >> -- competitor and nasa doesn't want to be competitive on just elon musk. they want to have other options which will be good for the space program, so we'll see what happens. neil: now, you've logged, you know, record times in space and on the iss and i'm just

wondering. advise these guys how they could pass the time. i mean, it's great to circle the earth again and again and i guess a million times, but i'm joking, but how do they avoid in space cabin fever? >> well, i am 100% sure that's not a problem. on my last space flight we actually got stuck in space for a month. the russian rocket blew up and we got delayed, and so during that month, i worked on an i max movie called a beautiful planet and we relocated a module there so i am sure that they are very busy. you know, the space station crew is very happy to have extra hands to get the work done. these are not, this is not like in-laws coming to visit where they sit on the couch and don't do anything. i'm sure they are very busy up there. neil: [laughter] imagine if you were stuck up there with your in-laws. mine are just fine by the way, but terry, what happens after this? they are, we open, getting home

safe but we had the international space station. we have these missions to the moon and mars and all that stuff. none of that's been impacted by this , has it? >> no, not at all. this is, well first of all the boeing capsule really is designed to go to the international space station and hopefully eventually we'll have other private space stations that it can go to but this is an earth orbit capsule that won't have really any impact on the moon or mars or anything like that. neil: all right, well hopefully they come back soon and they are busy looking at the earth and it is a beautiful venue and a space to have. i just don't think they planned on it being this long. terry virtz, great seeing you thank you for your inspiring service to this country as an astronaut. so hope they will eventually get back. they seem to be having some fun and enjoying the olympicsr as well. x continues. one bank for now. for later. for life. chase. make more of what's yours.

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