>> hello, this is "outnumbered." i'm kayleigh mcenany with my cohost emily come upon you and harris faulkner. also joining us, host of the "kennedy saves the world," kennedy, and host of "making money" on fox business, charles payne. we begin this monday with the stark difference between what vice president kamala harris is touting on the campaign trail and her far left record. "the new york post" is callin harris a "the new york post" is callin harris a -- hiding her far left positions from voters, many are saying. now, people are saying she's tough on crime: she is a prosecutor. >> before was elected to the united states as a senator, i was an elected attorney general. [cheers and applause] before that, a district

attorney. and before that, i was a courtroom prosecutor. as a prosecutor -- as a prosecutor -- as a prosecutor. >> we know her resume, i guess. that tough prosecutor you just watched once backed a bail fund that helped free violent criminals. now, the new tough on crime kamala wants you to believe that after nearly four years and 8 million illegal immigrants, she's going to get tough on the border too. >> i was attorney general of a border state. i went after the transnational gangs, the drug cartels and human traffickers. i prosecuted them in case after case, and i won. [cheers and applause] i know what i'm talking about. he talks a big game about a lot of things. but he talks a big game about border security but he does not

walk the walk. >> trump is the one talking a big game while kamala is taking a big play from his playbook. his proposed policy is a copy and paste from his idea months ago. >> we are going to not charge taxes on tips. >> eliminate taxes on tips for service and hospitality workers. >> a little plagiarism. trump blasted kamala, saying every thing she does is fake. despite the apparent gaslighting on harris' far left record, she is leading in three critical battleground states. you will see if there. this is a new poll from "the new york times" college showing that harris is leading by four points in michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania. those are the big states. how is that possible when the liberal media has her back? just look at the magazine's latest cover. they are calling it "her

moment." that's powerful. kamala is different than kamala plus media. starting the tax on tips, i saw this imme -- in real-time. i thought of president trump. when you do research, you pulled us up. this is on the irs web page. look at the date on this. february 6th, 2023. irs introduces new service industry tip reporting program, after kamala harris cast a tie-breaking vote to literally tax your tips. >> and on top of it, they want to get 80,000 irs agents to go after people who are tip workers or side hustle workers. look what happened in california. they tried to shut down the gig economy because they are not unionized. it's bizarre to me what's happening. i can only think half of the folks who are buying into this just don't know. they are apolitical, maybe not paying attention. the other half agree that this is a wink and a nod. say what you have to say, but we know you will govern

differently. that's the dangerous part. they are probably right. 99% sure they are right in their assumption that they will do whatever it is to win, but then she will revert to who she has been for the majority of her life. >> politico noted this morning what was so significant about tax on tips is it copied trump but it was her first policy proposal. where are the white papers? where are the plans? they don't exist. enthusiasm is what she is banking on. >> they are looking at what has traction. ma they know they can't substantively talk about the border. we have seen biden "should we flip the switch on some of trump's policies and bring the numbers down if we can? the answer to that being yes --" if they can. why hasn't she done some of this before? i didn't know she had a financial fiscal policy. did anybody know that? i didn't know she felt so strongly about tips. it's only been 22 days. it's not like the woman has had the time to reinvent herself, not without help.

so, what are the fingerprints on this from nancy pelosi? i have been thinking about this a lot. put it out there and tell them they can find out what's in it when we pass it. i think that's how they are going to roll. they're going to talk about a lot of issues, ways to fix stuff, and then -- you just know that it is -- kamala. you just know that it's her and you will find out once all the stuff, that she is the last person in the room and signs the legislation, once it makes it to her desk you will know what's in it. is that good enough for americans? i don't know. i guess we'll find out in 85 days. >because she teased reporters that she has some plan, to harris' point. i don't know what's in it. we will see when it comes out if it comes out. she says it will. "the washington post" editorial board, normally i would say quite liberal. they do make this interesting point. elections aren't just about winning: they are about accumulating political capital which harris cannot do unless

she articulates one. she needs to articulate her plan. >> she doesn't have one. [laughter] i guess -- the "time" magazine covers. >> it's been obvious for all of these decades that people have been sugg subjected to, does whatever it takes to get elected and then simply lets the vapid, radical left make the agenda. it's not her articulating anything. she is not a thought leader. she is not in any way a progressive in my opinion, because she is an empty vessel that capitulates to whatever that tiny progressive left says and does. we have gone through tick by tick of her flip-flopping. we have talked about the tips and taxes, fracking, president biden going from a racist old white man to all of a sudden unmatched legacy. the list goes on of how she has now walked backward or off and walks backward, and that's what she says and what she stands for. at the end of the day, the press is complacent.

i thought "the new york post" put it beautifully: it's not that the press won't ask: it's that they are preventing from being asked exactly what those articulated policies are, exactly what her credibility is, and therefore they presents that so everyone can vote her in and then she is just going to sit back and let the progressive left win and do everything. >> we played those clips on our show appeared she wants to start from scratch with ice, wants to redirect resources from police, wanted medicare for all which means health care for none. as i was looking through this cross tabs of "the new york times" poll, this stood out to me. if i had to pick one crosstab, it would be this one. ask about harris whether she is too liberal or not. 44% says she is, 44% s -- say she is not too far either way. i would show the policies. she is too far left. most markets, 70-80% of americans are against abolishing

ice and redirecting resources from police and so forth. >> i credit her team with this because it's been a very effective strategy for her. the trump team is running points ahead of biden/harris, and now that she is atop the ticket, the polls are reflecting the sugar high. what they are doing to augment that rush, the excitement of contrast. she can be contrasted with biden who is no longer on the ticket. now what they are doing is looking at her policy failures, some of the position she has taken in the past. all they are saying is it's opposite day. just say the opposite now, and then gaslight everyone who asks you questions or challenges you in the slightest about it. it has been an effective strategy so far. the problem is that's not going to hold. i will tell you why. people remember the sugar high, the contrast when biden was elected. it was all about feelings, about "trump is gone, this is amazing,

the world can heal." and then the economy fell apart. now, we have foreign policy disasters all over the globe. people need to pump the brakes. feelings are not enough. the more the former president and his pick for vp hold our log no holds barred press conferences and talk to everyone in mainstream media, it's going to be impossible for her and her slimy veep to slither out of these all-important grilling's. they have to sit for these things, and the press, it is their responsibility to say "here are massive contradictions. how do you sure these up?" you cannot be two things at once in the same way. it's a principle of noncontradictory. >> this article from new york. to that point, we want to cover for you, but give us something to cover. how generic can kamala harris be? or campaign website: seven donation buttons, zero policy pages. we got your back, but give us

something to block and tackle. it's amazing. >> you tell us who have changed, but you chose tim walz as your vp. >> that says it all. >> it really does. >> be sure to tune in this evening. i will guest host for jesse watter primetime at 8:00 p.m. eastern time. look at our lineup. steven miller, worked with him in the white house. he is fantastic. we have kevin mccarthy and some i am very excited about. we don't hear from her often, but lieutenant governor winsome sears. such a compelling voice in the republican party. i cannot wait to talk to her. j.d. vance takes on a more prominent role in the trump campaign. he is attack dog.

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>> kamala harris and tim walz have been dodging reporters. j.d. vance was everywhere sunday, taking on the media. >> i think unfortunately, kamala harris is running a campaign where every time she is in front of voters, the teleprompter is in between. she doesn't talk to the media. she hasn't answered i think a single tough question from a reporter. one of my jobs is to get out there. >> and he did, with three separate interviews with cnn, nbc news, and cbs news. he faced adversarial questions and interviewers. vance came prepared. it was one moment with dana bash. >> when he left the national guard, he filed his election paperwork february 10th, 2005, a month before the national guard even announced it was possible they would deploy to iraq and in dipping two months.

he retired two months before they got the paperwork. >> but last night, one of the people who was in charge of him said that they knew that they were going to deploy to iraq in february of 2005 -- excuse me, fall of 2004. he knew he was going to iraq. he decided to retire, quit, whatever would you want to use. he wanted to run for congress. he lied about that. he said when he decided to retire, he didn't know he was going to iraq. that's another truth is even his senior military officers at. >> vance has skillfully knocked down abcs jonathan karl on immigration and the border. >> we have to start with the fact that we have a wide open southern border, because our bor --border czar -- >> she was not the border czar. >> that's what the media called her, she assumed the title, had control over lover border policy -- >> the root causes of the migration -- >> after sparring with the

media, vance posted on the x "i enjoyed sitting down with three of the major networks today to answer the tough questions that any leader should answer. kamala harris has done is my tough interviews as tim walz has battlefield deployments." kennedy. >> governor walz did not see combat. he should have been on the sunday shows clarifying his record for voters, because it has created so many more questions than answers. these types of interviews, the perception will add up over time with voters. the fact that, and there may be people that disagree with j.d. vance, there may space might be people who have been told not to like and so far, and they are buying into that. the more they see things like this, they will always respect him for having answers and being able to fact-check and challenge some of these interviewers in real time, and giving him cover for terms like border czar. they did the same thing with

bidenomics and obamacare. those were pejoratives, but are all of a sudden mantels embraced by various politicians. she was the border czar. never said "how dare you call me that, so rude and misogynistic." if you said this, may be, i've always called her. the fact that -- can challenge them in real time -- >> we hope that the effect will be bringing the truth to the american people. thus far, but we have seen already is an incredibly disparate treatment by the me media. >> it's play couple of examples. >> it sounds like a dance to me. it's happy dance. >> a joyful guy. a midwestern with big data energy. >> clear eyes, hearts full, can't lose. >> all american definition of a man from middle america.

>> has an ability to be -- >> voters who see this as weird, see it as odd, see it as fringe, extreme. >> so many levels. >> it is the tale of two tic tickets. >> one radiates joy. >> every day, it comes out that they have done something more extreme, more weird. >> we have one is a dance, one is frightening. >> it's frightening is -- this absolutely disparate treatment. >> how do you beat that? that's propaganda. i would park j.d. vance in the studio's. i would park him in the studio. the biggest asset you have who was not a matt joyce. you didn't choose him to bring this on. he can do adversarial interviews and do them well. his answer about tim walz's

service, he went on to say "i am not criticizing his service: i'm criticizing his dishonesty and what he did for political benefit. went back into policy and inflation. this is someone who knows how to do hostile interviews. put him there. it's your best asset. deploy him across sunday shows. he handled those interviews brilliantly. >> and in stark contrast to the still m.i.a. kamala harris. >> i would not say she is m.i.a. she is doing some things on the stump that are working for her. she has a pretty tight script, and we showed side-by-side to where she says the same thing. she tells wisconsin while she is telling michigan that they are the most important state to go through so on and so forth. which he hasn't done is faced the hotness of being in the center and a good sitdown interview. i agree, you've been saying it for weeks. they need to debate before that rnc convention. not likely to happen because it's next week, but you have

been saying for a while. it's been 22 days. there are now almost as many days since she was announced as there are the first round of early voting in north carolina. 25 days to that, reintroduced eight times to a kamala harris new facts and whatever. you put that" in some cases. i don't know come outside of staying on message and not being as angry for trent don mike donald trump what more he needs to do. the case has been laid. the clock is on their time now. it benefits them on the left. get out there with your message with j.d. vance, the president gets out, stay crisp. don't let this woman your head -- making you angry. >> the media will still characterize j.d. vance, no matter how effective he is. the question is will they succeed? >> i have always wondered how republicans would make a national election. this has gone in for a couple of

decades. it's remarkable to have to break through the hollywood mythmaking machine the mainstream media mythmaking machine that is extraordinarily powerful. it has gotten worse. i saw a video him in 2023 essentially calling kamala harris the border czar. somehow in the military -- you don't know when the orders are coming through. when i joined the air force -- we have these uniforms and camouflage. the next major wars will be in the desert. you knew months before, knew what was going on and that's why he skedaddled. you're right, trump and j.d. vance will just have to get this message out themselves because nobody will help them. >> nobody can sell it like trump. he is a marketing genius. >> coming up, in his first interview since quitting the race, president biden admits that the democrats pressure forced him to draw back.

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distraction. >> i don't know if he said the quiet part out loud by accident. he was really taking his time and seemed a lot more focused than we have seen him in recent times. he name checked nancy pelosi. >> she was abbey hsu the one that held the ultimate shiv -- >> she was obviously the one who held the ultimate shiv and jammed it in his side. that was me, very much so, caesar. >> okay. >> no one is surprised about that. she wields so much power in the democratic party even though she is not speaker anymore. she can raise so much money. she's got every on speed dial. for some reason, they are still terrified of her. that's because she can dismantle the presidency with one public statement. as you can remember, president biden was like "i've definitely decided -- i'm staying in the race." in the next day she was like

"that's for the present to decide close was. >> you guys watch this. it's nancy pelosi saying that biden has to drop out to "sustain his legacy." is that a threat? >> we have three generations of love for joe biden. a hope that that would sustain as we go forward, but the most important thing we have to do is to limit the election, to sustain his legacy. >> charles, that's not a friend. >> that is something that the corleone he fanny might have with a discussion pick she is a stone cold political killer. whatever we say, she had the right instance, and now kamala harris is soaring in the polls. the mythmaking machine, could not do it with president biden. they could not get the machine going with them and had to come

to terms with it. what i think was dastardly is how they dismantled him and his family toward the end, and how -- the desperately clinging -- they took them there. anybody else, the republicans or somebody else. they put it out for the public. that was dastardly to do. >> they did the same thing, you could argue, to rfk jr. did it to representative tim ryan when he wanted to run for speakership against nancy pelosi. it is a machine. >> knives out. what's most important for us as they make in people is this person is still commander in chief. we started to receive leaks as they start to sharpen their knives which was informing us that hunter biden was all of a sudden a close advisor, that close advisors to the president were in charge of shielding, protecting him from say the press and people with actual top security clearance rather than joe biden, say, in the oval office. things like that. all of a sudden now, it's quieted down, because clearly

biden capitulated. and "i will say my reputation and i get to coast." at the end of the day, those questions have not gone away. a beautiful op-ed for "the new york times" essentially saying "what if those questions --" as president, he should have resigned, but for us to ask questions now, that's perceived as being pro-trump. at the end of the day, what might determine whether he should have stepped them altogether and not just out of the candidacy is a foreign relations event, a war in the middle east, some horribly economic event that reveals how inept he is. until that happens, we are being told "nothing to see or it's all good and fine. nothing to see. crossing their fingers, no calamity will happen before the election. >> you look at what emily said we would potentially be in a world of hurt right now had she taken over the presidency. first of all, it would be harder to run against her because possession is nine-tenths of the

law pick sheet and becomes sort of a quasi-incumbent. what do you make of this idea of going forward and not seeing as much of biden? to think there is some strategy there? >> there's probably strategy, but it's terrifying. if their strategy to it, to emily's point i look at these reports that we may see iran attack israel in the next. then i think we have not seen biden much. he was at the beach this weekend and the last time he held a cabinet meeting was last october. apparently, they were scripting questions for cabinet officials. when you compound that with they ice out white house resident staff so they aren't allowed to see this man, he is in this cocoon, yet we are to believe that he can effectively handle it. >> one that has convicted felon hunter biden in it >> they said the questions don't go away about his fitness to be commander in chief, just because he is no longer the democratic nominee for the party.

every adversary knows we have few months. >> the questions grow. if he could not do that job, which does not require any leadership or governance, how could he possibly do the job he is in right now? >> and the democrats ask that after, they were told to sit down and shut up. don't ask that. to ask that -- fred trump. >> a ferguson, missouri, police officer is suffering from a severe brain injury, and it has to do with the fake narrative surrounding the death of michael brown. veteran homeowners. if you need cash, the last thing you want to do is spend cash just to see if you qualify for a home loan. yet, some lenders charge you hundreds of dollars in upfront fees just to apply. they keep your money even if they turn you down. call newday. unlike other lenders, at newday there's no upfront appraisal fee, no upfront termite inspection fee and no upfront water test fee. not $1 out of pocket.

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michael brown's death turned violent. officer travis brown suffered a severe brain injury friday. police say this man charged officer brown, knocking him to the ground. brown's head slammed the pavement. officer brown started with the department in january, and previously worked for the st. louis county police department. he is part of a wave of black officers hired into the department since 2014, who now make up more than half of the ferguson police force. >> he wanted to be part of the change. he wanted to make an impact in our community. he is the type of officer we want in our community. what happens? he gets assaulted. i had to look his mother in the eye and tell her what happened to her son. i'm never going to do that again, i promised you that. >> ferguson police chief troy doyle went on to blast the protesters and defend his department. >> my police officers suffered a severe brain injury.

he is at an area hospital right now fighting for his life. this police department, this ferguson police department, since 2014, has been the punching bag for this community. the police department in 2014, we don't even have them officers here anymore, so what are you protesting hi these officers not even here no more. everything the activist community has advocated for -- body cameras, implicit bias training, crisis intervention training, all this stuff, we have done all of this. what are we protesting? what is it chemically even changed the uniforms of the police department because people people said the old uniforms triggered people. what are we doing? ten years later, i have an officer fighting for his life. >> you can feel it, the police chief's pain is palpable and he is feeling -- i would imagine so

many things around the facts that people don't want to look at the facts, and he said "what are we protesting for" can make those were riots, and people trying to tell the truth about what was happening. there he was caught in the middle. i've got to tell you, emily, we need to play that on a loop. that writing that happens -- not just ferguson but other areas for the last few years. we have been caught up. i look at columbia university. we don't talk about it, but when they pulled up out, those protesters who took over the columbia hall, it was a situation -- we never talk about what is getting left behind and who cleans that up, the businesses that are pressed against, but when you lose somebody you respect and love like that police officer was to that police chief in the entire community, it is palpable. you feel it. we need leadership top-down in this country who look back at

that situation and try to fix it, deal with it. >> looking back at the situation for a moment, he is fighting for his life, hit his head on the pavement. as harris articulated, it's been ten years since the ferguson riots, and it's also been ten years since the doj ruled essentially that it was not prosecutable conduct, that it was a hoax, that the entire thing -- and now as he articulated, "we did implicit bias training, now over the half of the police force is african american, and all this 2014 officers are done. we have done this, done that, done everything. what are you protesting and why is it violent now? why is there someone fighting for his life? why?" that is what he asked today on behalf of the community. >> there are sources of power out there that only maintain that power if we hate each other or there is a perception we hate each other, if there is fear or a perception of fear. once that goes away, most

americans realize there's less fear of each other. no matter what happens. >> michael brown's death, though a tragedy, did not involve prosecutable conduct on the part of officer was impaired this includes the sound, considered, and independent judgment of the expert career prosecutors within the department of justice. >> from that time, we have witnesses -- stated he had his hands up.

the credible witnesses, these are the reports. >> the march 4th 2015 report -- in their findings. it was not unreasonable for wilson to -- brown posed a threat of physical harm. it was not unreasonable for darren wilson to think that brown had a weapon end. finally, it was not unreasonable for wilson to firearm brown. that's what they concluded. and yet, all of this -- an officer with a critical brain injury.

-- >> they said they were triggered by the uniforms. they did everything that the protesters over a hoax had demanded at the time to repair and improve community relations. >> people, harris -- we need to defund the police. we lived with the reality since then. major cities have fallen apart. they have appeased the acti activists. these community of people don't care what they have burned down. it's never enough. we see that was some of the pro-palestine protesters. there is never going to be a meeting point where they say

"yes, we have arrived, and now we can move forward." what we have seen is in these community's where the police capitulated because their lives were at stake. they felt like they had to. it was the communities who needed them most. they were the ones that have the longest response time when you called 911. you look at portland, detroit, it is the same exact thing, and we do need more chiefs standing up for what is right in communities, back in good cops. he is right. the police who are in places like ferguson want active community policing. they want to know the people that they are trying to protect, and they should not be attacked like this. >> it's never enough. you can't satiate them pick >> officer brown, we are praying for you. up next, the secret service apologizing after agents are accused of breaking into a private business, covering cameras, and picking locks just to -- wait for it -- use the

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speak of the united states secret service has been headlined again. now, the secret service is apologizing to a salon owner in massachusetts. secret service agentses broken

to that salon owner's place, ahead of a fund-raiser for vice president kamala harris. we have the footage from last week, allegedly showing an agent covering missile and security camera with tape so they could do what they wanted. they then picked the lock and occupy the building for hours. all of this, they said, was to use the bathroom, but you wouldn't need to be in there for hours. what were they doing there? by the way, it looks a little homey here. that's not a very big business. god bless the owner of the salon who says the secret service called her to apologize, and that the secret service is out with a statement. she said she would have gladly help them out if they had just asked her and knocked on the door. here is the secret service. "we hold these relationships in the highest regard, and our personnel would not enter or instruct our partners to enter a business without the owner's permission." you saw the camera. that was a lady secret service agent. the face was blurred, but you could kind of see a few things

anyway. you always can. she is moving. the bubble is not moving with her. charles, where are we with the secret service right now? >> i was worried you would come to me. [laughter] >> how could i not? >> i don't know! that's bizarro world. they broken, state for a long time -- a couple of hours -- they used the bathroom. i don't know what's going on. this story is so bizarre. i don't know what to make of it. i really don't. it's over my head. obviously, another stain on this secret service, which should -- i think back to the hearing and -- >> the acting agent. >> i could imagine how he is trying to defend this. it's time to say "this agency has serious issues top to bottom." >> so watch when this person climbs up. you can't see it because of this unfortunately, but when the person climbs up, that's when you get a review of that person

coming into focus before the camera is on. >> it is stunning to me. you think the secret service would have learned lessons in the last few weeks, but instead they come out with this statement suggesting that they weren't behind it and it might've been there business partners. that's what you take away from the statement. the communication strategy for the secret service appears to be confusion because apparently they apologized to her according to her. either own it or don't. you are the power of the federal government coming into a private business. kennedy and i were laughing. we think there is an amendment against that. >> it's a violation of the third amendment. that's crazy. >> preach. >> you cannot house and quarter troops or federal officers. they fall under that umbrella. they know that this is such an incredibly bad look for the departments. i feel bad for the good secret service agents out there who are going to be tasked with keeping a very wild dnc safe in chicago next week. i wish them well. i wish they didn't have to fight

upstream against this kind of negativity, but this is an own goal. >> i want to know the partners of the secret service -- i guess they farmed this out as their partners. they are still responsible for them. they are obviously protecting people. they are armed. i can't imagine they can distance themselves too far. so kennedy, remember early on mike kimberly cheatle before she resigned in that house here in? >> unfortunately i do pick >> what she would admit as they were down 1,500. i have read that it could be even more in terms of personnel for the secret service, so you are right. the dnc convention, any big events, all these rallies. it's got to be tough. >> in the dnc is expected to have 50,000 protesters in chicago. that is in addition to the chicanery that's already there. i hope they -- relationship with better law enforcement than they did. >> here is the deal. and the statement apparently they say it's against our policy. it doesn't matter because you did it. number two, the fact that you

did it -- it's often a hallmark of the secret service: they often tape over cameras for security reasons along their route. >> to use a bath and? >> no. too true and unrelated they often covert cameras and security routes, for security purposes, but this as you talked about, the salon owner -- "if they had asked me i would've bought them breakfast." they didn't even lock the door after, and they -- reportedly, as we learn more about who was there. we also have reports that emergency medical services persons of the secret service agents were saying "come this way, guys." when we talked about the dnc, the colossal p.r. failure, we need to talk about the restroom, which is a human bodily function which needs to be addressed. as a taxpayer come on for making those plans. not on my watch. >> but you don't need it for hours. if you do, you were sick before you went to work. donald trump is back on x, by the way. he has been tweeting for about

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