insurance with the company he worked for staring at the ceiling literally. you've all experienced and you have known people who have experienced wondering what in god's name happened if my wife gets breast cancer, if i get sick, if my children get seriously ill. what happens. what in gods name, how can we pay for the drugs? prescription drugs. these are discussions. you know it. do we have enough insurance? can we afford the medical bills? do we have to sell the house and get a second mortgage? there are discussions that took place in my house and in your house. kamala and i both get it. we know it isn't just about health care, it's your dignity. it's about your dignity. it's about peace of mind. it's about security. it's about taking care of your family. it's about giving folks just a little bit more breathing room.

look. i believe that health care should be a right, not a privilege in america. [cheers and applause] and we are here to make a major announcement in our efforts to lower the extraordinary high prescription drug prices. before i do i want to thank you governor wes moore. and the members of congress. i served in the senate for 270 years. [laughter] i know i look forward to you but i'm a little bit older. for the longest time i was to damn young because i was 29 when i was elected and now i'm to damn old. i will tell you one thing in between. the finest and most decent men that i've ever worked with, when i think of integrity, and cardin. stand up then. stand up. [applause] i really mean it.

i measure people that i work with by their integrity. he does what he says and he says what he does. look folks. also, a net bargain. she tried to route and she was irish in america appeared she is a great friend and she's one of the great leaders in this country and in this community. [applause] congressman, where are you? stand up. [applause] i have never once called this man and asked for help and not.net. thank you. thank you. [applause] and your soon to be senator. [applause] where is she? it's a lot easier for me to

count. i was a county official. they expect you to solve every problem and you don't have the authority and you don't have the money. i told her eye would campaign for her or her against her, whichever would help the most. hhs. cms administrator is here today. and let me say something. we were all thinking about my good friend and he is a really good friend were really long time. [applause] he represents the western shore of delaware. [laughter] you all think we are kidding. we have that fight all the time. i wish him a speedy recovery. i understand he is doing well. [applause] folks. this is a fight. all of us have been fighting for a long time taking on big

big pharma. we pay more for prescription drug. it's not hyperbole. we pay more than any advanced nation in the world. i could take you out on air force one and if you have prescription from a drug company in america and fly you to toronto, canada, fly you to paris, france, anywhere around the world and get you the same prescription from the same company for 40% or 60% less than we pay for it here. too many americans can't afford to the drugs that they badly need for life and death. so they skip doses, cut pills in half, forgo prescriptions entirely because it is totally unaffordable. a woman that you've all know matt, the nurse you have just met, paying $900 a month. that's what? you are going to pay nowhere near that.

she's going to pay, guess what, beginning of january, every single prescription drug that she has including, god forbid if she needs it the really expensive drugs like a cancer drug, the maximum she ever has to pay is $2,000 period. [cheers and applause] the time in my senate i worked to give medicare the power to negotiate lower drug prices just like through the department of veterans affairs. in fact, i was reminded by staff today one of the first major bills i worked on was in 1973. i cosponsored legislation led by senator frank church to let medicare negotiate cost of dr drugs. 1973 this fight has been going on. the va pays, as they should, 50% less than medicare because va can negotiate the prices. [applause]

but for years, big pharma blocked medicare from negotiating lower drug prices. as consequence, they are able to maintain the exorbitant price increases that are uncalled for. but this time we finally beat big pharma. [cheers and applause] and i might add. with no help from republicans paired not a single republican voted for this bill. period. not one in the entire congress. [boos] the reason i say that is not to make a political point about them but guess what. the guy we are running against, what's his name? donald dump or whatever. they want to get rid of this. they are fighting to get rid of what we just passed. i'm serious. no help from republicans.

thanks to the tie-breaking vote of kamala, it was possible. folks, it really matters. for example, take the insulin needed to treat diabetes. the guy who invented that insulin a hundred years ago did not put a patent on it because he wanted it to be available for everybody. he didn't patented. guess how much it costs those companies to make that insulin? $10. 10. that's god's truth. $10. number one. number two, to package it and ship it, might get it up to $13. but they are charging up to 400 bucks a month for it. but now they can't charge more than $35 a month. [cheers and applause] it's a big deal! [crowd chanting "thank you joe"]

look. $35 a month. they still make enormous profits. that's three times what it cost them to make it. the initial legislation caps the cost for everyone on who needed that insulin. how many of you know anyone who needs insulin for diabetes. raise your hand. okay. guess what. for the next three months we've got here, i'm not leaving here and kamala is going to make sure if we don't get it done, everyone should qualify for that $35 a month. every american. [cheers and applause] i mean it. folks, that's not all. the same law i wrote, we wrote means of starting in of this year every senior in the united states of america, no matter what their cost of drugs, and some of these cancer drugs are 12,000 bucks a year. every single penny they spend, they never have to spend more than $2,000 a year for all dr

drugs. [cheers and applause] and we are going to fight to make sure everyone qualifies for that as well. [cheers and applause] altogether, our reform not only saves lives but here's the point that people are talking about. it saves the taxpayers billions of dollars! [cheers and applause] what we have done so far will save the taxpayers in the next ten years $160 billion. i mean it! because they don't have to pay the exorbitant price that medicare had to pay before. they are going to pay $35 instead of 400 bucks. folks, savings are going to increase for american taxpayers because it matters. but that's not all the inflation reduction act did. last summer i announced under that law medicare is going to select -- it's already passed

into law. ten drugs a year going up to 20 until we get every single drug every year. drugs, everything from heart failure, blood clots, kidney disease, arthritis, blood cancers and more. today, i'm proud to announce medicare has reached an agreement with all manufacturers on all ten drugs selected in the first round of negotiations. [cheers and applause] there are lower prices for all ten drugs effective january 2026. not this january, next january. negotiations to cut the price of these ten drugs for judy and others who are on medicare nearly 40% or 80% depending on what drug it is. let me give you an example. noninsulin diabetes drugs cost $530 a month. some of you may know that. guess what? it's now only going to cause a $115. [cheers and applause] and by the way these new prices are accumulating $1.5 billion

less out-of-pocket for patients to drug companies. lower co-pays for many of the 9 million seniors who take these drugs. and that's not all. we are also saving the american taxpayer because of the new changes $6 billion a year because medicare won't have to pay. imagine that. $6 billion a year. but we can do that for child care and health care and so much more. we are just getting started. under the law i signed medicare can negotiate lower prices for another 15 drugs next year, 15 the following, at 20 after that until every drug is covered. [applause] that is the law now. now. this is another really big deal. it means that americans can save more money for life-saving medications that they need and they deserve. and bring peace of mind. it's hard to explain. kamala and i are going to keep

fighting to lower the cost for everyone. not just seniors. it's a fight that we have to continue. [applause] but guess what. surprise, surprise big pharma does not want this to happen at all. the pharmaceutical industry last year spent $400 million lobbying to congress to stop this. $400 million. [boos] worked pretty well. they did not get one republican to vote against them. they all voted for them. republican allies stuck with them and the ability of the federal government to negotiate lower drug prices was trying to be stopped. but kamala and i had all of us in this room will stand up to big pharma. i fought to damn hard to yield now. [cheers and applause] we are not backing down. and get this. you may have heard about the

republican project 2025 plan. [boos] they want to repeal medicare's power to negotiate drug prices. let big pharma back in charge of whatever they want. let me tell you what our project 2025 is. beat the hell out of them. i mean it! [cheers and applause] in january, it will be capped at $2,000 no matter how expensive they are and some are expensive as $12,000 a year. $12,000 a month i should say. kamala harris and democrats in congress to make sure that $2,000 cap covers of repair not just seniors. insulin cost $35 for every room, not just seniors. our project 2025 goes for you, your family, not just handing

big pharma a big blank check. and in the process, and this is what we don't talk enough about i think. and in the process we will save the taxpayer and the budget will be reduced by hundreds of billions of dollars. hundreds of billions of dollars. just the first year. the first thing we pass is $160 billion less that the government will have to pay out. to pharma. but guess what. it can pay off our health care, it can pay off education, it can pay off so much more or it can reduce the deficit that he exploded. folks. that's what i call a win. folks, there's more paired my predecessor and his friends in congress tried to repeal the affordable care act. obamacare. they tried to repeal it over 50 times. we stopped them. [applause] along the way i made the affordable care act even

stronger. protecting a million more americans with conditions. over 40 million. republicans want to cut medicare and social security. why? they want to give -- here's what they are proposing. they are proposing another $5 trillion tax cut for the mega wealthy. [boos] by the way, this guy we are running against, when he was president, he gave a true trillion dollar tax cut to the super wealthy. you know what that was? he generated the largest deficit any president has in history. republicans are talking about cutting spending. you know, we have a thousand billionaires in america. you know what their average tax they pay is? 8.2%. [boos] i introduced a bill to say you were to pay a minimum of 25%

pure to know what would raise? $500 billion over the next ten years. imagine what we could do with that. imagine the taxes we could cut for ordinary people. kamala and i have a better idea. we will protect medicare and social security and make sure that the wealthy pay their fair share. [applause] and by the way that means making the tax code for her. in addition we have announced cracking down on imperative practices in health care. how many of you know we've been going after junk fees. junk health insurance plans. the ones that look affordable but when you take the cover off you find out there's a number of hidden costs. we are going after them to try to get rid of them. we are also cracking down on surprise medical billing. for example. when a patient goes into a hospital for surgery and returns out his anesthesiologist is not in his network, you can get

a surprise bill for another $1,000. but we are stopping that too. protecting. we are protecting 1 million americans every month from unexpected medical bills. working to ban the use of medical debt on credit reporting. [cheers and applause] years ago i had to craniotomy is because i had aneurysms. if i didn't have insurance my bill was in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. guess what? it matters. it matters if i didn't have insurance for the rest of my life i want to be able to do anything. i would be able to buy anything, and now we will get rid of health care cost. [applause] look.

i'm a capitalist. i have no problem with companies making money. but not by price gouging is seniors and working families. i grew up in a family where my dad used to say joey, your job is about a lot more than a paycheck. it's about your dignity. it's about respect. and i mean this. this is what he said. my dad was a well read guy and never had a chance to go to college. he talked about what we needed to do for ordinary hardworking people. we change the whole way we look at the economy. it used to be the idea of trickle-down economics and democrats accepted it. some democrat presidents accepted it. if the wealthy makes a lot of money it will trickle down to the rest of us. i didn't notice a single penny trickle down to my dad's kitchen table. but guess what? now we measure everything the following way. we build from the middle out and the bottom up and if they do well, everybody does well. how did it go?

[applause] and any money i get to spend as president i spend it on being made in america, by americans. [cheers and applause] americans don't like being played for suckers. we believe we should be patient but there should be reasonable profits. let me close with this. it's about health care. it's about lowering cost for families and it's about fairness and security. it's about the dignity. people like judy and millions of americans all across the country. it's exactly what we are doing. there is more we can do for everyone. we can't give up. they told me every major piece of legislation we passed would give us the strongest economy in history and the strongest economy in the world. we have more to do for working people. and by the way, everybody does better when there is more unions. [cheers and applause] we are finally getting it done. we can't stop now.

we are the united states of america. there is nothing, nothing beyond our capacity when we work together paired nothing, nothing, nothing. [cheers and applause] i tell you what. i thank god that in the last three months i'm president of the united states, i was able to finally get done what i have tried to get done when i was a young senator. thank you god, thank you. god bless you all and may god protect our troops! ♪ ♪ [cheers and applause] >> bret: president biden in maryland speaking about the economy appeared before that vice president harris and obvioe

democratic nominee vice president harris. also speaking about how they will lower costs and are trying to lower costs. interesting that this was billed as a white house event. not a campaign event. it sure felt like a campaign event at times there and president biden speech. >> gillian: it did. and it was certainly peppered with a lot of political talk by both biden and harris throughout the remarks. this is as far as i know the first time we have seen the two of them up on stage together since he dropped out of the race and she stepped in and became the nominee. interesting to see the two of them up there together showing a united front at least for now because as we know all the chatter in the media has been about harris as campaign plans to start distinguishing herself and differentiate herself from

biden and his policies and records. on that note we should bring in peter doocy. he joins us from the white house now. peter, tell us about your topline thoughts on what we just saw. >> a few things about this. number one, on his way there about 14 miles from the white house by helicopter, president biden told me when i asked how much it bothers him that vice president harris is apparently thinking of distancing herself from his unpopular economic plans, president biden said she's not going to. and for something popular like this, lowering prescription drug costs, that is something the vice president as happy to stand on stage with her boss the president to talk about. it is an official event. they certainly veered away into the campaign lane talking about trump in the context of this guy we are running against which of course is not an official white house position. that is a campaign position. my big take away is

president biden, i think the best way to describe the way he looked while vice president harris was saluting him in their first set of remarks since he dropped out and endorsed her, he looked wistful. people work chanting thank you joe, they were chanting joe, joe, joe, and he looked -- he didn't look overcome with joy. he looked wistful like this is the beginning of the end. and it is something we have not seen him showcase in the last 25 days. something else that has been bubbling up in harris world is she has not done an interview. technically she didn't. the campaign has released a clip of her being interviewed by tim walz. her running mate. >> gillian: i think there was a blurb in "essence" magazine too. not sure about that. we'll have to check but pretty sure. she answered some questions to somebody.

>> right. and it seemed like the crowd is very excited the thank president biden for everything he has been doing. there will be almost none of that. president biden has decided he does not want to deal with that next week because based on all of the reporting, he is going to speak the first day of the dnc. there can be some celebration of him and the next three days it's going to be all about her. he will be elsewhere. watching fox. >> gillian: obviously. we will let you get back to your day job. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> bret: let's bring in charlie hurt. "washington times" opinion editor and fox news contributor. charlie, your thoughts on what was just said there in maryland. inflation is a big issue. obviously got some good numbers this week but overall through this administration has seen a lot of price increases and the inflation reduction act that vice president harris cast the

deciding vote really did not reduce the inflation at the time. so what are your thoughts about what was said today? >> i would like to issue a correction on both of your behalf. you are shortchanging the harris walz campaign because "vogue" magazine interviewed tim baltz his dog which is the most important interview we have seen all week and his dog was eating an i ice-cream cone as they did. i think we should set the record straight. it was interesting on a number of levels. one is, and i love what peter said talking about how wistful joe biden looked. joe biden spoke for quite a bit longer than kamala harris did and it seemed like it, and it's hard to see because we are watching it over a tv screen, but it looked like joe biden was enjoying a whole lot more energy out of the crowd then she was. i think that's kind of interesting because he says a lot of stuff that we don't necessarily understand but in

terms of the mechanics of campaigning and surfing off of a crowd, she doesn't necessarily compare favorably to him in that respect. i thought it was interesting listening to them talk about whoever -- however they want to bring all of these changes to the white house, they need to get rid of this terrible crew that's in the white house right now and fix all of these prices and fix the economy and bring down prescription drug costs. kind of gliding over the fact that they are the ones in the white house which is a bit of a problem it seems like to me and of course lastly listening to joe biden talk about how the first time he passed a bill to try to get prescription drug prices under control was 1973. he's been working at this for 50 years and it has not worked. as a voter you might be sitting at home watching and thinking maybe i should try something altogether different. i don't know.

>> gillian: it struck me. tell me if you disagree. i think to your point a moment ago we heard the president speak for longer than we have heard him in quite some time. to me he seemed more comfortable in his remarks. he seemed more at ease on that stage probably than we have seen him since the state of the union. >> i thought he looked very well rested and obviously it's a crowd that loves them and a crowd that is probably very grateful to him because i think they are probably tremendously relieved that they have turned the page and are on to a different strategy for running this election against donald trump. and they certainly weren't nitpicking there statements the way of course i am. >> bret: we will look for the next dog interview. thank you so much. appreciate it. >> gillian: thank you charlie. let's bring in fox news contributor now jason chaffetz.

jason, i'm struggling to remember what we were supposed to talk about here because the news over the last hour has gone in a thousand different directions but i want to get your reaction to the speech but also we want to make sure that we preview some of what's coming up ahead next week at the dnc. what are your top line reactions to what you just saw? >> i still think they are struggling to figure out the dynamic here because kamala harris wants to take credit for everything pure and she was in the room, she was the last person in the room in afghanistan and all of the big decisions. she's the one on tape for a year's saying that bidenomics is working but if you take the core of issues that are most important to voters, the economy, inflation, overseas safety security, our border, she has the distance herself. she is wanting to say that she is going a different direction because that is what the polling is telling.

none of those issues, the embracing of the by an agenda, the biden-harris agenda, is going to work in november. and if she can continue to make this about donald trump and a height away from tough questions and not show the flip-flopping she is going through, that is the formula they want to pursue but it becomes increasingly awkward when the person who wants to be the next commander-in-chief does not answer questions. we'll do a press conference. it won't even let you know what she is thinking and why the change other than the power grab that she wants to have to become the president of the united states. >> bret: on friday, we confirm that vice president harris is going to talk about these economic policies and one of them is going to be this unveiling of a ban on price gouging. sweeping federal controls to control food prices specifically and new federal authorities. this is her populace proposal the most significant economic

announcement she will make. what about this? it didn't work under president nixon. price controls. it did not work then. a lot of economic advisors and folks are saying this doesn't really seem to work. >> her first new policy to implement is what the communists would do. what socialists would do. and that is the government is going to come in and solve this. the government is going to dictate what prices are going to be. is there anything more scary to the entrepreneurs in the business community then government controlling your prices? her solution for inflation and fixing the economy is for the government to take over? i don't think this will fly. i don't think it's going to come over very well. it has never worked. that's not who we are as a country. and you take the sum total of what she knows about the economy, if you had a problem,

if you had a challenge and you wanted to get out of a financial hole, would you go talk to donald trump or would you go talk to kamala harris? kamala harris would not be on your top 1,000 people to go talk to about how to fix the economy. her knee-jerk reaction is the government will come in and do it. by the way, if you are in the grocery business, that is one of the tightest margin business is that there is. don't think those are the people causing the problem. maybe the lack of an energy plan, maybe some other things, maybe the massive spending by the federal government. those are things that are actually contributing to inflationary problems. i don't think she understands the issue and she does not offer a solution other than more government control. i don't think that will fly. >> bret: we will see how it flies as she rolls it out tomorrow. jason, thanks a lot. >> gillian: thank you jason. breaking shortly a moment ago. five arrests made and the death of actor matthew perry. who are those suspects and how did investigators pieced

together the culpability here. we'll talk to criminal defense attorney mark eiglarsh as well as dr. marc siegel coming up. >> bret: fo former president trump's legal team seeking to push back the sentencing date for his trial there in new york. mccarthy says we should expect former president trump to be sentenced to prison. he is coming up. >> gillian: a new report from "the new york times" revealed hunter biden sought help from the u.s. government for his ukrainian business client. what the white house is saying about that coming up next.

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>> hunter biden's business dealings once again in the headlines just three weeks before he is set to go on trial on tax evasion in los angeles. hundred and 2016 it wrote at least one letter to the u.s. ambassador in italy seeking assistance for the burisma. he was on the board at the time. he was not registered in engaging in political activities on behalf of foreign businesses or registering as a foreign agent. an embassy official said that biden was seeking help for the ukrainian company and maintained the u.s. government should not be advocating with the italian government without proper procedures. an official at the embassy in rome wrote "i want to be careful about promising too much." the president said he would not pardon his son after hunter was found guilty in june for lying on a form to buy a gun is through. his white house press secretary denying any involvement in what his son reportedly did. watch. >> the president has never done business with his son. he was not aware of this and for

anything further i would have to refer you to hunter biden's representative, personal representatives. i cannot speak beyond that. >> in a quote to "the new york times," the attorney said no meeting occurred and no project materialized and no request for anything in the u.s. was ever sought and only an introduction in italy was requested. we reached out to hunter's legal team but no word directly from them yet at this point. as i mentioned, his trial begins in l.a. on september 5th with jury selection. speed to keep us posted. thank you so much. >> bret: let's bring in andy mccarthy former assistant u.s. attorney and fox news contributor and kerri urbahn fox news legal editor. let's not there. with the hunter biden saga as it continues here. we forget with all of the political upheaval in the change of nominees that there is still a lot going on on that front.

gary? >> sorry. i didn't realize you sped my name. what is most interesting about this situation is that we are just learning about it now and we are learning about it through the release of foia and the reason that matters is because the secretary of state deputy spokesperson yesterday or this week said something to the effect of we should look into the timing that politics does not play a role in timing when these documents are released and i have to tell you based in my experience within the department of justice, that is just not the case. it is supposed to be the case but it is not the case and i watched many times the foia people at the department of justice hold onto stuff when they were trying to protect someone and when they did not want to protect someone they could turn around things in 24 hours. and i also had a role as director of public affairs and signing off on certain document dumps and so i know what the process is like in terms of both saying yes, it is in the public's interest in all this

information or this is going to unduly hurt somebody and i would often fight to pods depending on what was happening in the news. for him to say the timing is just coincidental, i disagree on that. >> gillian: and what strikes me as being unusual about hunter's request of the obama-biden administration as he seemed to be asking for u.s. government help promoting a foreign company, burisma, to another foreign government. to the italians. >> it's not the kind of thing that you see all the time going down in washington. >> no. you also don't see the vice president son sitting on the board of a corrupt company where the chief executive of the company is under investigation by the european authorities, the ukrainian authorities, et c et cetera. it's very unseemly which is obviously why we are hearing about it now.

i think the interesting thing is it is as much an indictment of the investigation to my mind as it is to hunter. we have heard of these shenanigans before. the thing about the investigation is there should be charges in this case. there should be tax charges that arise out of the time when hunter biden's father was vice president but of coders there aren't because david weiss the special counsel sat on his hands and waited until 2023 to bring an indictment by which time all of the stuff that happened when joe biden was vice presidead been time-barred by the statute of limitations. >> bret: really quickly on the trump request. the lawyers for trump saying to judge merchan that they want to delay the sentencing. what do you think will happen in that new york case? >> i think he is and on sentencing him but they are right. the trump team is right. the supreme court has made clear

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left behind. greg palkot live in london with more on this. what does all this tell us with the exit from afghanistan question work. >> that it was a mess worried that it was ill planned. on display this week at that huge military parade u.s. bagram airbase, hundreds of seemingly brand-new former u.s. armored personnel carriers and other hardware passing by approving taliban officials. the taliban seized kabul after the u.s. backed government collapsed and american troops withdrew starting august 15th 20213 years ago. an estimated $7 billion worth of vehicles, tanks, guns, ammo, even choppers and planes were left behind peered by the time it was clear there was not going to be an afghan military, it was too late. some vehicles were put out of commission by u.s. troops but it seems the taliban promptly fix them up again. perhaps really sticking in the craw of u.s. officials to see

rows of humvees that had been abandoned on parade. those of the jeep like go to vehicles for american forces in afghanistan and iraq. now these hand-me-downs have some satisfied new owners. again, all of this underscoring did we's full nature of the u.s. exit which includes desperate scenes of afghan nationals trying to get on u.s. planes. plus a suicide bombing that less close to 200 dead and including 13 u.s. service members. now the taliban is using these exit u.s. and nato vehicles to chase down terrorists which are still active there. it is internationally isolated racked by economic disaster and women suffering under harsh islamic law. >> bret: three years ago. thanks. >> gillian: prosecutors just announced five people have been charged in connection with matthew perry's death from academy overdose last year. we have brand-new details for you about the people involved.

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we heard the u.s. attorney say he called these people a criminal gang enterprise but he said i am sending a message with these charges. they are serious. does not matter if you are an assistant like matthew perry's if you are a doctor who is just going rogue off label or a drug dealer who is just keeping some stock in their apartment. if you are part of this enterprise that results in somebody's overdose death you are now going to be held liable. is this a new strategy that you were seeing when it comes to these cases? >> i am seeing a lot more of them. i have a case here in south florida where a friend gave a friend and some pills. they were laced with fentanyl, that person died and my client is now battling for the rest of his life charged with first-degree murder because he traffic in drugs and the friend died. prosecutors around the country are prioritizing this. it's not a bad thing. they are sending a message that if you are a drag trafficker and

you are supplying drugs to people you could be held accountable if your drugs because the tragic demise of anyone. >> bret: dr. siegel what about this drug. this ketamine. and what do we know about it and how this case fits into all of the user in the country? >> it's very similar to pcp or angel dust which people are aware about from street use. this has been abused from a street point of view also. you should know it is a general anesthetic. in other words, anesthesiologists use this to help put you to sleep but they are monitoring blood pressure very carefully. it can slow breathing. it obviously makes you stupors to the point where you don't know what you are doing and if you are around a pool that would explain what happened to matthew perry but here's the key thing. the drug lasts for about four hours and the last time he had an officially sanctioned treatment for his depression, and with depression and anxiety by the way it gives you a

dissociation so you go outside of yourself and hopefully when you reenter your body in a sense you are feeling better. that's a lower dose and the last time that was given was a week and a half before. so it is clear this is a licit use. it is clear that it is much higher levels than was ever intended for used to treat depression. >> gillian: in the eyes of the law is matthew perry a illegal drug addict or is he the victim of this criminal gang ente enterprise? >> maybe both. i don't think you need to put a label on it, really. they will look at the individual conduct of each person and hold them accountable. you have one person who is at street name apparently is the queen of ketamine. not a great name to have in a case like this. >> bret: tough story. thank you both for being here.

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>> julia it's been great to be with you. limits on -- set in for john and centre before i am always struck by how much stuff happens between 1:00 and 3:00 in the afternoon it's amazing how much stuff is in the show. obviously the former president with the press conference. that we'll be interesting as well. >> brightly started out with the matthew perry conference and ended with the president biden and kamala harris press conference who knows where the day we'll go from here. great to be with you brett's the story with martha begins now. >> that's it. >> martha: thank you very much brett and jillian good afternoon everyone i martha maccallum an