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up. now vice president kamala harris and former president trump's economic agenda das are going head the head. harris facing more fallout over her economic plans. we have former commerce secretary the wilbur ross and billionaire investor ken fisher on on all a of it. and all of this as robert f. kennedy jr. suspends his campaign and teams up with donald trump. he broke with the party of his dad and his uncle to back djt. welcome, everybody, i'm neil cavuto. let's go right to griff jenkins now looking at some key battleground states i guess, right, griff? >> reporter: good morning, neil. i think this may fit into that proverbial category of politics makes strange bedfellows. the new york post took notice, a kennedy endorses a republican. and with pyroprotech nicks marking the entrance to heres of bobby, rfk jr. took the stage

alongside trump just hours after endorsing the gop ticket. >> the best way to build a safe america is to rebuild our industrial base and rebuild the middle class in this country. [cheers and applause] and don't you want a president who's going to get us out of the wars and who's going to to rebuild the middle class in this country? [cheers and applause] >> reporter: trump praised kennedy for running a tough campaign that had tough times, criticized him toughly at times. but now he's reaching out to his voters. >> and to all who supported bobby's campaign, i very simply ask you, join us in building this coalition. it's a beautiful coalition. in defense of liberty and safety, prosperity and peace. it's going to be an incredible coalition. >> reporter: the question now, neil, is what impact will it have. fox's polling shows kennedy voters breaking about 60-40 for

trump over harris, but it also found 57% don't like either candidate. our fox news partner on polls and part of our decision desk, darren shaw, had this observation: >> assume they go 2 to the 1, trump to harris, well, that's a 1-point margin. that sounds like nothing, but take a look at the margins we're estimating in places like wisconsin is and pennsylvania and georgia and arizona. that 1% could be decisive. >> reporter: and then, finally, there's those wild rumors that kennedy could potentially find a role in a future trump administrations. we'll have to to wait and see what happens. neil? neil: and that was never brought up, the role mt. administration or a cabinet position, right? just that he threw his support behind him. >> reporter: right, exactly. that never came up yet -- yesterday, but we've heard a lot of suggestions, and it's been talked a little bit about pretty widely that he could be headed for, perhaps, something like an hhs secretary. a lot of intrigue here and a lot of strange the turn the of

events. neil: who would have thunk, right, my friend? griff jenkins. you'll see a lot more of him. want to give you the view of democrats in general to this unusual combo. lucas tomlinson has more on that. >> reporter: good morning, neil. if you think temperatures are running hot this election season, you should have been here 210 years ago today, neil, when the white house behind me was torched by british forces during the war of 181012. dolley madison did rescue those pricily pieces of art -- priceless pieces of art, but i digress. kamala harris leaving chicago yesterday, here's what she had to say. >> [inaudible] >> reporter: now, of course, as we just heard from griff, the big news, bobby kennedy, rfk jr., taking his name off

critical bad -- battleground states which could make a difference in november. think of the small margins just pour years ago. here's kennedy lashing out at the media. don't worry, not you, neil, because you had him on plenty. >> in contrast during the 16 months since i declared, abc, nbc, cbs, msnbc and. >> cnn combined gave only two live interviews for me. those networks instead ran a continuous deluge of hit pieces with inaccurate, often vile pejoratives and defamatory smears. some of those same networks colluded with the dnc to keep me off the debate stage. neil: and here's the response from the harris campaign. like rfk jr., donald trump is at a low point and acting out of desperation, embracing rfk jr. now when he has nothing to offer but months of december qualifying revelations is not deck disqualifying ref laughses

is not a decision a campaign makes when they're active. both candidates planning to lay low this weekend, neil, nothing on the schedule for either the trump campaign or the hearst campaign, or neil. ready for that big push after labor day, of course. neil: got it. how the heck were you able to piece all of that together with dolley madison and the burning of the white house? because i covered that 210 years ago today, and i know you're not that old. [laughter] >> reporter: just felt like the right thing to do. neil: bottom line, there is some crazy undoings here, aren't there? >> reporter: that's right. there's no question. i thought the perspective was important. neil: absolutely. dolly madison appreciates it as well. somewhere, i know she does. lucas tomlinson following all of that. you know, a lot of people are asking how the heck did we get to this point where a kennedy, robert f. kennedy jr., is backing donald trump? it has a lot to do with the way he was treated by democrats. take a look at this. >> following my first discussion with president trump, i tried

unsuccessfully to open similar discussions with vice president harris. vice president harris declined to to meet or even to speak with me. neil: now, there might be a strategy behind that on the part of democrats, and this is something i relayed in a recent interview with rfk jr., and it comes from normally big, active democrats who weren't keen on him. take a look. i talked to to one who's a big admirer of your family but not of you and very bitter and angry at you saying that you're hurting democrats and that you wouldn't be welcomed back. does that bother you, when you hear that kind of talk? because i'm sure you've heard it. >> yeah, it does bother me, and i don't think that's unique to that individual. i think there's a number of people who feel that a way. it puzzles me, neil. i feel if you went down the list of every issue that my father believed in, every issue that my

uncle felt was a priority, that i would check off every single one of those. i don't think -- i think i represent almost perfectly the democratic party of robert kennedy and john kennedy. but i think the tribalism is so pronounced in our country and it division that people cannot see beyond the tribal identities. and think it's really bad for our country that every issue and every person now has to choose a side. and if you're perceived as choosing the wrong side, then you're dead to them. and that is the not healthy for our country. neil: well, it is what it is. whether that chaste -- chased robert p. enty jr. into the trump camp maybe forever, we won't know. but it is so historically significant where an iconic democratic family has now had a member move to the over side.

carly cooperman is a democratic pollster, also justin wallen, a gop pollster. carly, to you and the anger and the, you know, it was very palpable even among kennedy family members toward rfk jr.'s, first of all, rival bid to joe biden and then going as an independent challenge and now this. i mean, you talk about a coup degrasse, they never really -- coup degras, they never could understand why and maybe that sentiment is what drove him to this. what do you think? >> yeah, absolutely. i don't think the ken -- that kennedy felt at home in the democratic party, and i don't think he ever really felt like this was a place where he could put forward his platforms and policies, and he wasn't necessarily feeling embraced by the democratic party as it stood today. and so, you know, he left and he ran an independent candidacy. but what we saw in the spring where he was peaking at, you know, 10, 12, even 15% in some

of the polls, really by the time he dropped out had dropped back down to 4-5% nationally and in key swing states. and so i think that his message if at a one point resonated with people in the sense that there was big dissatisfaction with both candidates when it was trump and biden, and it kind of hit its plateau and has been going down over the last few months. and so, you know, it was time for him to step aside. neil: yeah. no, i hear you. but, or you know, i looked at this in some of these battleground states, because that's what it really comes down to, justin. not so much the national poll numbers or even the national popular vote numbers, but in a lot of these states the seven big battleground states, he was polling anywhere from 4% of the vote to as much as close to the 6% in michigan and in arizona. and if you look at all of those states and the electoral votes they carry, that's 93 electoral

votes if you run through georgia, north carolina, nevada, wisconsin, pennsylvania, michigan, arizona. now, you need 2270 -- 270 toto win. so a third of them are just in these 7 states, and his margin and the margin of support he was enjoying, even if a fraction of that were to peel off to donald trump, trump wins. what do you think? >> no, it's true. i mean, everything within those battleground states is absolutely right at the wire. every single one of them is within the margin of error. if you look at the averages, no one's leading. but the next two weeks is where the polling's actually going to start getting very, very interesting. the fact that they're tied now is interesting, but what do those now 4 or 5% of folks casting their ballots for kennedy going to do? i think they're a largely going to go one of two ways, and i don't think it's trump or harris. i think those aligned with

harris have gone towards harris. i think they're going to go towards trump, and the big question is how many people decide i'm not going to vote for either of them, and that's their vote, not voting at all. neil: yeah, i thought of that too, carly. there's always the possibility that frustrate thed, independent-minded voters who were looking at a rfk jr. might not feel the same way about a donald trump any more than they feel that way about kamala harris. so that vote might not turn out for either candidate, either of the major candidates. what of that possibility? >> yeah, i think that's a real possibility. we've had a hard time in policy throughout the whole cycle really trying to pin down who these kennedy voters are. at times it seemed to pull more from republicans and trump voters, at times it seemed to pull from democrats. now, i do not think at this point that's the case because i think the democrats really have coa alessed around kamala harris -- coalesced around kamala harris, but i think these are voters that might be a

little bit less likely to turn out. they're disengaged, disaffected, and so i think that we'll see some go and support trump and some might if stay home and some might seek other alternatives, but i don't think we're going to see clear swings in the polls. i think we're going to to see slight shifts which are important, and we'll see what happens over the next few weeks. neil: you know what's kind of interesting just reading a lot of the press and following it, justin, they've labeled rfk jr., he's a crackpot, whatever your personal views. an editorial in the daily news today, a very condescending look, all right, there goes the crackpot. yet the same is not held in the same regard if you challenge donald trump in the media or you take him on or you're not in that crowd, you know, the mainstream media you're almost heroic. so there is a double standard here. i'm not saying there are some views on the part of rfk jr. that do raise eyebrows, vaccines

and the food issue, all of that. that's in the eye of the beholder. but to prelabel him just a crazy crackpot whose own family doesn't support him, they wouldn't do that if the roles were reversed. that's all i'm saying. >> yeah, and i think that we have to to be careful -- to be careful, pundits and folks who are analyzing candidates in the news, of labeling folks like that in general and disregarding their views. and i do recognize that that some of them may seem unusual. the vaccine items and things liy may seem unusual to 80 to % of the population. but i've always thought that a when you're looking at those views, even conspiracy views, the question that should be asked is why are people holding those views. that's what really matters. and i don't think that's being asked, and i think it should be asked. it's a significant group of -- thank you -- neil: all right. guys, thank you very much. we'll monitor it very, very

carefully here. but i really wanted to put this line in the daily news editorial in perspective. the tune changed yesterday when rfk jr. compared his new allegiance to abraham lincoln's team of rivals as if the two men were lurid statesmen discussing weighty issues of the day, and that was the good part. condescending is probably an understatement in all of that. in the meantime, the no tax on tips push on the part of donald trump that now has the sport of kamala harris -- support of kamala harris. we break down the numbers because a lot of people are hoping they come and soon. if. ♪ ♪ hey, bartender, pour 'em out tonight ♪ at old dominion freight line, we deliver them this way. this way uses technology and goes the extra mile to do things the right way. the delivering promises on time, every time, way.

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a lot of ten income. we're going to -- tip income. we're going to let you keep 1000% of your tip income and not be harassed. when they have happy employees that are making a little bit more money and just do a better job, people like javier are very happy. he was happy to hear about this. every restaurant owner is happy to the hear about this. neil: donald trump once again pitching his no tax on tips economic platform that has been now imitated by kamala harris herself. so what happened in sin city though goes way beyond sin city and, in fact, it could be the answer to the a lot of praiser on the part of waiter s and waitresses, bar staff and the others at restaurants, bars across the country. angela mars den, i think you remember her, she became an iconic figure during the covid-related shutdowns, the pineapple saloon owner back with us. good to see you again. >> hey, neil, how are you? neil: i'm fine. what do you make of this? to how would it affect your business, your staff? >> i'm over the moon about it.

i'm ec statically happy. i hope it happens. i hope america knows what effect this will have because it's going to affect three different groups. not just the employees. so a lot of people need to take -- remember, and i know i've said this before, that the independent restaurant association employs over a million single parents. and right now those single parents are struggling just to put food on the table. they can't even afford their childcare. this immediate cash that they will not be taxed on will give them their paycheck. right now servers are not seeing paychecks because it's all being taken and given to taxes, and it's not going in their pocket. so it will be immediate boosts for the employee, which is amazing. because, like e said, we employ single parents, a lot of fathers paying child support, a lot of minorities. but it's also going to help the employer, me, because it's going to cut my payroll taxes down. and that's going to free up more money, like in a high pay rate like california, for instance, i

have the back house that i'm paying a lot more than the $17.46 minimum wage. i've got to pay them more. so it's make it very hard for me to keep their jobs and keep their hours going. and i don't want to cut their hours -- neil: right, right. >> so that will free up a lot for us. and there's a bigger effect that people really -- even if you're not in the industry, you really need to take into consideration the local impact. so every dollar that is paid is, you know, the multiplier effect, $7 are spent. and what do i mean by that? we used to have a robust clientele of servers and bartenders that would come to my place after they were done working and spend their money. and they can't do that now because they are broke. they are struggling. and every penny of their paycheck is going to the tax. so they're not even seeing any of that minimum wage. neil: so real quickly on this, do all of your workers share the tip income? because i would imagine for

those, let's say, who do not they might in a weird way resent the tax break given to some of their a colleagues. how can does that sort out? >> well, we're very creative in the restaurant industry, and we're a family. neil: right. [laughter] >> we take care of each other. so, you know, in l.a. a lot of restaurants started with the increased minimum wage having the front house tip out the can kitchen. so if a server has a tip, they are splitting it among a busker, a bartender and a cook. many in most cases. neil: got it. >> so, i mean, let us spend the money. we will use it the right way because it's -- we have to take care of our people. otherwise we won't sustain -- neil: got it. >> i mean, that is what the restaurant industry's about, you know? family, food and the little guy. [laughter] neil: well put, angela. and to your point, it's your call and not the government's call if it comes to pass. we'll see what happens. great catching up with you -- >> you know -- neil: finish that thought. >> i just want to say, be very

careful on voting. i don't want to sway people on which way they vote, but i've found the politicians will say one thing and do another. if you have a candidate that's promising to do it and another that's saying they will fight for it, you know, i just would be very wary when you're choosing your candidate and watch their words and their actions. neil: okay. well said. well said. all right. angela, or great -- >> but we're excited for this, neil. [laughter] good seeing you. neil: you have every reason to be. that would be sort of like manna from heaven, from irs heaven, i guess, if there's such a thing like that. in the meantime, you might have mentioned a couple of donald trump's events were indoors yesterday, including the announcement on no tax on tips, of course, the big one with rfk jr. a lot of people around him who want him to be safe are saying they just hope this becomes the new rule of thumb for him and other candidates as well. especially after some recent threats. after this. re for the #1 hit maker.

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neil: it has been now more than a month since that assassination attempt on donald trump in butler, pennsylvania, but we now know up to to close half a dozen secret service agents have been sidelined for the time being as the invest ensues. and then there have been some other scary developments. madeleine rivera keeping track of them in washington. >> reporter: hi, neil. the department of homeland security had warned about the growing number of threats against high profile officials. they had anticipated those threats would only grow this election cycle. now a 66-year-old man from arizona is in custody after authorities say he made two social media posts this week threatening to harm former president trump. if separately, a 37-year-old man from the memphis, tennessee the, area is facing federal charges for allegedly threatening to the

the assassinate president biden, vice president kamala harris and former president obama. authorities say kyle hall posted these threats on x on july 7th, two weeks after the assassination attempt against former president trump. five secret service agents have been taken out of the field and placed on administrative duties as the agency conducts a probe into that shooting. four of them are from the pittsburgh field office including the special agent in charge, another is from the trump team. here's trump's reaction. >> -- massive rallies that we have, like the size of butler. you saw thousands and thousands of people as far as the eye could see. and i've always said that, i mean, i just felt they never gave us the number of people in terms of secret service people that were necessary, and yet biden, who would have ten people at a rally was loaded up with secret service. so i've complained about that for a long time. >> reporter: the secret service acknowledged it has made

modifications including relying on state and local partners in instances where it could not provide resources. the fbi is conducting a parallel criminal investigation into the shooter and the overall security failure. neil. neil: all right. thank you very much for that, madeleine. great job, as always, my friend. want to go to nicole parker, former fbi special agent, fox news contributor. nicole, we've had these other threats as well, they keep popping up. i guess it's the times in which we live, my friend, but i'm curious what you now make of recommendations that you hear from some in the secret service until we settle all of this out, indoor rallies. what you make of do you make of that? >> as a prior fb everything special agent, i can understand and respect why they would absolutely recommend that the, because it's a more controlled entity, obviously. you control who gets in, who gets out, and and there's no possibility of someone getting on top of a roof. but with we do mow that incident

that occurred in butler, pennsylvania, was a massive failure of the vet service, and that could -- secret service, and that easily could have been mitigated, prevented. i do respect, president trump wants to run his rallies the way that he can connect the most with the audiences, and i do believe when there's an indoor venue available, absolutely. that should be law enforcement's first choice. but he feels very strongly about the mission that he is on and that if the rally needs to be outside, that's what he's done in the past. but i do appreciate at the one in north carolina they had the bulletproof glass at the podium that he stood behind in an effort to to protect him because we do not want anything to happen to him or any other political candidate or individual for that matter. neil: right, right. you know, i think at least when i was reporting on this after the fact, i mean, you were among the first to say the problem was communication, the various, you know, security folks, police, local police extending this to the fbi, secret service were not in sync. and we've seen that, i think as

you've also pointed out, nicole, leading up to 9/11 where they weren't on the same walkie-talkie channel, the same communications with phones and texts. now, i'm wondering, that pops up so often, and it is looked at, but i never see anything done about it. >> i agree with you, and that that's a problem. the technology platform that they're running on is, or quite frankly, ancient. and there is modern day technology, i believe, that would assist in eliminating this issue, and it's something that law enforcement across the board needs to get a handle on, not just the secret service. we're talking fbi, local office- neil: right, right. >> you're working with local, state and federal a agencies, there has to be a more easy way to communicate. and that is problematic, and i do believe there's a solution. we are in 2024, there is a way to solve this. neil: we shall see. nicole, great catching up with

you. nicole parker, one of the best of the best with the fbi in the day and now helping us sort out these crazy days. in the meantime, you probably heard the startling news that a whatever jobs we thought were being generated turned out to be 818,000 off. 818,000 fewer jobs than we thought over a 1-year period. yikes. o take a moment to address my fellow veterans, because i know so many of you have served our country honorably. one of the benefits that we as a country give you as a veteran is the eligibility for a va loan, for up to 100 percent of your home's value. if you need cash for your family call newdayusa. with automatic authority from the va we can say yes when banks say no. give us a call. veteran homeowners need cash but worried you can't get a home loan because of your credit? here's great news. at newday

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neil: jobs were trimmed a little bit in the latest adjustment out of the department of labor that atist thetics showing that they're still robust, but about 800,000 plus fewer than we thought over roughly the last year. you worried about that? >> well, i'm worried about it for the country in the sense that we've got to the make sure that a we've got an economy that's delivering for working people. >> this is the largest downward adjustment of the numbers going back to 2009. neil: that's right. >> this, i think, is a major hit to the democrats. neil: all right. it did take people by surprise, you know? the the president of labor statistics goes through this stuff every year or so, and they take everything over 12-month periods to the the sort of reassess with new adjustments, and that's the number they came with, 818,000 fewer jobs we thought. the biden administration came out quickly, as did kamala harris, to point out we're still up 14 million jobs, just not 15 million.

again, perspective is everything on this, and for that we bo to wilbur ross, the former commerce if secretary of the united states under president trump. he's co-chairing the j.d. vance fund fundraiser tomorrow, i believe, in the hamptons. secretary, always good of you. what you make of this revision? >> well, i think it's a very big number. 800,000 people is a huge error to correct. and what's surprising to me is that it comes all in one lump as opposed to to the normal monthly revisions or hard routine because some data comes in later than they had hoped. but it's a big number, and i think it debunks the validity of the biden-harris administration because they were claiming all these millions and millions. well, most of them were simply the recovery from can covid

anyway. so if you take the portion that wasn't covid-related, this is a very big percentage of that. so it's a big miss, it's a big miss saw statistically. but worse than that, it's a big miss for the present administration's claims. neil: so you've heard what they had said, secretary, that we're still up 14 million jobs versus the 15 million, and you're quite right to point out the covid bounceback, who gets credit for that, and that back and forth continues as we speak. what's interesting here though is part of this revision was that the original, you know, the calculations they use were substantially overestimated. in other words, they built in some positive factors that i guess now they have to try to reverse. now, this is the bureau of labor statistics. they're not a political group, but they have to deal with this. they've dealt with this a couple of times in the past, but when they have, you know, the numbers

can sometimes be startling. what is it about our government statistics that, where this does happen -- infrequent though it is, it does do happen. >> well, whenever you're keeling with the universe that the -- dealing with the universe that's a large number, tens of millions of people, you have to rely on estimates. you have to rely on surveys. and so a small error one place or another particularly when you get to seasonal adjustment because seasons are never exactly comparable each to the other. so it's hard. it's a hard task to get the numbers right. it's even a hard task just to count the people. we were very pleased that when we took the census in 2020 we successfully enumerated over 99% of all the households.

well, when you're talking 135, 150 0 million universe, getting within 1% is a very hard task. neil: absolutely. >> but, having said that, the 818,000 is not just a rounding error. it's not just a fraction of a percent, it's a very large number. neil: indeed,s. you know -- indeed, it's. you know, that ca data when we got it, secretary, as if there wasn't enough pressure on the federal reserve to cut interest rates, it certainly sip. ed that possibility -- cinched that possibility. jerome powell yesterday in jackson hole, wyoming, the chairman of the federal reserve, seemed to telegraph a cut is in the works for next month. i'm just wondering what you think of the need for this given this jobs revision, given maybe the slowing going on right now. what do you think of it? >> well, i think in general the federal reserve pays way too

much attention to single monthly figures. inflation is not a single monthly item with, it's an item that lasts for quite a while as a we've seen. so i think there's an overemphasis on single month, and that troubles me. it also is the case that i don't think you can blame the high interest rates for the revision. the revisions are simply saying what was actual -- neil: right. >> so it's a whole different set of phenomena. neil. neil: do you think, though, that rates should be cut? they happen sparingly in the past, particularly in an election year, and fingers will be pointed at the federal reserve, did you have to do this before an election. do you think the economy warrants a cut in rates whether it's before the election or not? >> well, i think it's more important to kill the inflation

disease permanently than it is to rely on one little squiggle and reduce rates prematurely. neil: so you wouldn't be cutting rates right now. i don't want to put words in your mouth, you wouldn't be cutting rates right now? >> no, i can understand why they might think about it. i'm just saying i think the risk is less that the economy is going to tank than that inflation will come back. so i would err on the side of being more cautious and delay it a little bit more, get some more data. the very fact that revisions are coming in on a big scale, we'll see how that affects the next month's numbers that come in. because whenever they revise, they learn something from the revision. so i would just be a little more cautious -- neil: revisions beget revisions,

to your point. secretary, thank you very much. >> yes. neil: wilbur ross, former commerce secretary of the united states. by the way, the federal reserve, whatever your views on this, is expected to the cut rates next month. there are two other meetings before the end of the year at which they're expected to do the same. whether that's wise, proper or even necessary, that's a jump ball, but that's on the markets and why they were up so strong yesterday on the two back to back weeks of pretty strong market performance that we'll be pursuing, by the way, with ken fisher on all of that. meantime, we did hear joe biden at least indirectly from the white house commenting on what's been happening on the jobs front because you've been looking so much at kamala harris right now that we can sometimes forget, what about joe? we're going learn what he's up the after this. celebration. that's why we've got the labor day deals you need... to end one season and start the next. get great deals in-store or online today.

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standard bearer for president of the united states, but we still have joe biden, the actual president of the united states, and he's not just twiddling his thumbs. the latest on how his vacation is going out in california with matt finn and what he's been up to. hey, mattment. >> reporter: hi, neil. the president, first lady, hunter biden and family immediately jetted here to southern california early tuesday morning after of the convention in chicago. they've been staying at the luxurious estate owned by a friend and donor, joe chiani, in santa ynez, california. the first lady and hunter went to town yesterday. dr. biden has been seen several times out and about over the past week, but notably, absent each time, the president. from what we can gather, he has not left the estate the since he arrived five days ago. here's what happened when we asked the first lady how the

president has been passing the days in santa ynez, california. dr. biden, how is the president spending his time in california? dr. biden, welcome the california! >> [inaudible] >> reporter: how's the president been doing since the convention? she did the not give us any answers. now, during the president's vacation the white house has announced that the president had a phone call yesterday with the leading emir of qatar to discuss a ceasefire and hostage release in gaza. also the u.s. military says it carried out a strike in syria that killed an al-qaeda senior leader. now, the president's x account also shared a picture on thursday saying that the president and the first lady talked to vice president harris before her acceptance speech at the can dnc. that's the the picture on your screen. it appears this picture was taken merchandise the lavish estate where the president is staying. back live here in southern california today we are expecting a rally not far from where the president is staying.

it's an anti-biden rally saying he's not welcome here. not clear how many people may arrive to this thing. we have talked to people on the street in solvang nearby who say they are fans of the president as well. neil. neil: beautiful backdrop there, my friend. matt finn, thank you very much for that. if he says anything, does anything we'll, of course, pass that along. in the meantime here you might have heard about these astronauts who are stuck up on the starliner at the international space station. they were supposed to be there 8 days. in case you're counting, today is day 80. wonder what william shatner wonder what william shatner thinks of all of that? if he's next. penn program. if you're age 50 to 85 and looking to buy life insurance on a fixed budget, remember the three p's. what are the three p's? the three p's of life insurance on a fixed budget are price, price, and price. a price you can afford, a price that can't increase,

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that's two and a half hundred -- 250 tomiles above, above -- it just staggers us. it's just, it's a fictional story really. neil: unfortunately, it is not a fictional story. but captain kirk is annoyed, and william shatner, of course, was spelling it all out with me that he doesn't find this very heartening or the prospect of getting these astronauts back home happening anytime soon. boeing is going to outline a plan where they stand on this. they've been up there for 80 days. remember, this was supposed to be an 8-day mission. they say they're okay with it, the astronauts, but a lot of questions as to what would happen and how do you get them home whether they go back in the vehicle they came in, which is debatable, or we have elon musk come to the rescue. clay handerson, retired -- clayton anderson, retired astronaut.

do we know what boeing might or might not do or what its options are as you see them? >> i don't know. they believe they understand the technical issues and they're comfortable and confident with butch and sunny coming home on starliner. i don't have insight into that except what i've head in the newspaper and seen on social media. so i believe that if the engineers from boeing are pushing very hard that they believe they're capable of bringing 'em home, then i think they're probably capable of bringing them home. and butch and sunny are test pilots, and that's why they're there. neil: got it. now, again, this was supposed to be 8 days, it's 80 days now. i know around 1 p.m. eastern time today boeing will outline its plans. some say they might not be coming home depending on how they get home until at least february of next year. how does that work with the international space station and food for the other astronauts? how do they keep up with that? if i think there was a separate shipment this past week, but how do they even monitor that? >> yeah.

the cargo shipments are separate. they're another line, if you will, so that's not a problem. neil: okay. >> i think there's ample food, ample water, ample clothing for them to use during their stay there. most of these vehicles are designed to the the stay the 3-6 months would be my guess for the starliner probably 3 for the if max, i just simply don't know if it's capable of going for that 6-month period. i really believe that as an astronaut it would be difficult to change my mindset if i believed i was going to go home at a certain time and then that got extended to an 8-month stay into next february. not that they won't be able to do it, but their mission general rated, right? mission success oriented, is i'm sure they'll do whatever they're called upon to do, but it would be a tough call for me given that i have family is and friends that i want to be with on the ground. so it'll be interesting to the see what happens here today the at 1:00 eastern.

neil: yeah. how is that relationship between nasa and boeing? i think mys spoke before. nasa's going to make this announcement today. not boeing. but maybe in con junction, they're working with each other, obviously. how is that relationship? because we hear talk that it's frayed, this a both sides are a little embarrassed by this. what are you hearing? [laughter] >> well, i think that, you know, boeing's a subcontractor that was paid to do a job, and in order to do that job, they haven't quite come through with everything that was expected from nasa. so there are questions that are being brought up about how safe is it. and it's up to the boeing engineers to be able to prove with day and statistics and all the right information to nasa that we can make this decision and bring them home safely. to think that spacex would jump in and save the day and it's an 8-month mission, i find that pretty complex. neil: yeah. >> i find that pretty different, and it would be a lot better

for, in my opinion, if we did the boeing thing and brought them home. neil: everyone, obviously, focusing on -- very quickly, clayton, they don't want another columbia. hay don't want some problem on reentry where the astronauts lose their lives, i get that, and that is premium. but, again, they just can't seem to figure this out. >> yeah. that's the tough part. they've done data analysis on the ground, they've done data analysis in space. boeing says they know what's going on, and eventually you have to trust them. you can't continue to ask questions over and over and over again, right? eventually, you have to get to the point where you know you have ample data and then you have to decide. and that's the hard part or, right? because you do have people's lives that are in the balance. neil: absolutely. you're right, my friend. you are right. thank you for all your inspirational trips and insigh. clayton anderson, retired nasa clayton anderson, retired nasa astronaut. plaintiff after this -- more after this.

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