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from gushing to insanely gushing. even as donald trump spent the week stepping up his attacks on kamala harris. we'll talk to top officials from both campaignings. the biggest convention story, of course, is always the nominee's address, but two days before the white-hot spotlight fell on kamala, it was a moment that drew praise from conservatives and liberals. >> for years donald trump did everything in his power to try to make poem fear us -- people fear us. who's going to tell him hat job he's currently seeking might just be one of those black jobs? [cheers and applause] >> when michelle obama took the stage, she's a very powerful speaker, she told some beautiful reenactments about her mom's life. >> michelle obama preached tonight. she gave a sermon to this country. >> i think michelle obama's speech was probably the most effective, powerful political speech i've ever heard. howard: and that left michelle's husband, the former president, facing a harsh reality.

>> i am feeling ready to go! [cheers and applause] even if, even if i am the only person stupid enough to speak after michelle obama. howard: and he was right. trump, meanwhile, has been using a.i. to post some odd pictures such as this fake one showing her rallying before the russian flag, well, he does call her a communist, and these women wearing swifties for trump t-shirts. they're not real. but trump is also up against a hostile media establishment. look at this kamala harris cover in time, her moment compared to the way the magazine portrayed trump the first time he ran. i'm howard kurtz and this is the mediabuzz. ♪ howard: the vice president began with her upbringing as the daughter of immigrants, then turned to issues and her

opponent. >> i promised to be a president for all americans. [cheers and applause] you can always trust me to put country above party and self. donald trump tried to throw away your votes when he -- when he failed, he sent an armed mob to the united states capitol. >> so when you watch clips of kamala harris from last night, her lines, pretty well delivered, were just that, lines in a script that might as well have been from an old reboot of, i don't know, "the west wing." >> i thought it was very crisply, very professionally with emphasis, no stumbling, fumbling, any of that. >> this was joyful, it was full of love. people watching were, like, where has that amazing person been for the last couple of years. >> she was steely, she was strong, she was energetic. she embodied the idea of change. >> after three nights we finally do hear from her, and she is,

basically, whomever you want her to be. howard: soon after the harris speech, donald trump was on the phone to fox. >> what's your strategy to rebuild the momentum that you had with those voters? >> you know, she's not having success, i'm having successful i'm doing great with hispanic voters, i'm doing great with black men. i'm doing great with women because women want safety. howard: joining us now to analyze the coverage in nashville, tomi lahren, host of outkick's tomi lahren show, and in los angeles, leslie marshall, both are fox news contributors. tomi, bret baier and martha maccallum ended the call with donald trump because their time was up. greg got fed was up next. greg texted donald trump, why don't you come on sometime, trump said, yeah, and he called in again. how justified is the incredibly favorable media coverage of the

democratic national conventionsome. >> well, it was star-studied, nobody -- star-studded, nobody's going to argue with that. i was still awaiting the introduction the by beyonce or taylor swift -- howard: those were rumors on twitter. >> they were rumors on twitter, tmz reported it as well, obviously, a very reliable source when it comes to celebrity news. i do believe someone from the dnc leaked that in hopes of getting more people to watch. but, listen, there are far more important things for us to discuss. obviously, we knew it was going to be star-studded. what's interesting to to me is on the one hand, the media covers the star-studded performances, the speeches, the star power of having celebrities and the obamas there and oprah winfrey. but on the other hand, they try to tells us that kamala harris and tim walz are just average, everyday americans that can connect with rural americans and middle americans and forgotten americans. so i don't know how they can do

both. but i guess when you have the media in your back pocket and you have to give them nothing in return, not even an interview is, that's something that a you're able to get by with. howard: leslie, if the goal was to generate excitement and not get bogged down in policy details, then the chicago convention absolutely worked. but you've not to acknowledge most journalistses, commentators were already primed to be sympathetic to kamala harris because they thought the democrats were going to get clobbered when joe biden was still in the race. >> yeah. actually, howie, you know, a few points. first of all, tomi, i love you, but if anybody is getting their news from tiktok and that's what happened, the song freedom was allowed to be used at the convention by beyonce, it was not by donald trump from beyonce and taylor swift, all of it, those were not leaked from the dnc, those were leaked from swifties and beyonce fans on tiktok hoping. so for the convention, howie, you're absolutely right, whether it's a democratic or republican convention, it's much like a pep

rally before a football game. you're going to, you know, touch upon things that you to believe in, you're not going to get into the details because people don't really want the data. you're preaching to the choir whether you're a democrat or republican at your convention, and conventions usually aren't there to, you know, sway swing voters. maybe you will get a voter or two, you know, that is swayed. and also to your point, you know, a lot of people didn't think that this would be pulled off. enthusiasm.st of they didn't think joe biden would step aside. they didn't think that the democrats would embrace kamala and governor walz and, on top of it, they thought that the pro-palestinian protesters would, you know, hearken us back to the late '600s, and none of that did happen. so, yeah, i think they covered what was put out there and what a convention really is all about. howard: well, i thought conventions were designed to pick up at least some swing voters. one undeniable screw-up was

getting party hacks go on and on pushed president biden -- he's still the president, you may recall -- to finish at 12:30 in the morning in the east. a lot of people had gone to sleep, and i don't think they cared. i think they wanted to let biden do his thing and if that was, you know, too late to get a mass if audience, so be it. >> yeah, that was the final dagger in the back of president joe biden by the dnc and the democrat party. they put him on stage way, way past his bedtime. and then, of course -- howard: it's past my bedtime! [laughter] it was past my -- a lot of people's bedtimes. >> -- all of our bedtimes. very, very cruel to do to the current president, but i think this was by design. i don't think it was a scheduling error. i think they wanted joe to be late in the might and his speech was not hope-hope, joy-joy, it was back to what some would call dark brandon, talking about defending democracy and repeating the charlottesville lie. they wanted him late at night because he ruined their

celebration with his anger. they put him there on purpose, in my opinion, by design. howard: well, the president gave a bombastic speech. i think he wanted to show he could still do it. but he spent about a half of it talking about himself and his accomplishments before sort of pivoting to kamala harris. let me play for both of you a brief sound bite from michelle obama who i mentioned earlier, and we'll talk about it on the other side. >> we know folks are going to do everything they can to distort her truth. my husband and i, sadly, know a little something about this. howard: so, leslie, there is still, obviously, lingering resentment from both obamas because before he even got into politic politics, donald trump launched the birther moment before finally -- and i remember this, he was trying to promote among reporters his new d.c. hotel, and he uttered one sentence which was barack obama wasn't born in the united states. obviously, that wound still

hurts the former first down. couple. >> that's her husband. that's her husband. and if you love your partner, you fight to the death for them. you can forgive as a human being, but we don't forget, most of us. and it's not just that. he had already started with kamala harris, the mispronunciation of her name which is clearly disrespect, and a lot of people on the left are doing that. it's not that a difficult. second, you know, questioning if she's black, saying she turned black, you know? are jamaicans black? did they come to america from africa? did they come to ya ya ya may -- jamaica, you know, from africa. her mother's indian, that makes her half brown, half black, getting into the weeds about this. want to point out, by the way, that kamala harris does not strongly stand there, you know, talking about her culture, her ethnicity, her race or her gender or the glass ceiling

which a lot of people, myself included, were surprised about. but back to the michelle obama, you know, absolutely, i'm sorry. donald trump has been dishing it out for years and insulting people for years and, you know, when people push back and, you know, people make a snarky or humorous remark, oh, wow, i guess because she said when they go low, we go high, you know, that didn't work. you get a new strategy, and it's working. howard: tomi, you've talked about candidly about whether or not trump's message is too pessimistic and whether he should steer clear of talking about things like harris' racial identity. >> yeah, i think that's going to the always be a miss, and i think there are much bigger things that the american people need to hear about regardless of what her race is or how she chooses to identify. i don't think any of that matters to the swing and independent voters, so i hope he will stay away are from that. i am impressed over the last several days he seemed to be --

seems to be much more disciplined in his message. obviously, getting a that huge endorsement by robert kennedy jr., which i personally love to see. but going back to the obamas, michelle obama goes on that stage. she's a great speaker, everyone loves her. not sure how deserved that is, but people love her either way. then she goes on to talk about how she's a victim, how her parents were suspicious of the well think when she's got at least three mansions worth $70 million. i don't know how you do both. how do you invite billionaires to your convention and then say that you come from humble beginnings and everyone there is representing the forgotten american. i don't think that lands. howard: leslie, did the democratic convention -- not that the media would dwell on this -- spend too much time hitting trump whose name was mentioned hundreds of times as opposed to issues and did that conflict with the message of hope and joy? >> i'm going to tell you a quick, quick story. years ago --

howard: gotta be quick. >> -- i was in a smaller market and a consultant came in and said i want you to bash your comet -- competitor who was rush limb baller numerous times an hour -- rush limbaugh. he said, listen to me, know what i'm doing. many 30 days i had higher ratings so, yeah, there is something about saying your competitor and opponent's name over and over. some people say don't ever say it, don't remind people. so, again, what didn't work before perhaps -- [laughter] you know, you turn it around and you try again, maybe some new focus groups and, like i said, when you look at the numbers, you look at the crowds and the enthusiasm within my party right now, it is working right now. howard: there is a lot of political theft that was going on, all the flags, talk of the military, talk of patriotism. fortunately, that's not an offense for which anybody if can be put in jail, and both sides do it. let me just mention before we go to break that tim walz's son,

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howard: joining us now from wilmington, kamala harris' principal deputy campaign manager. welcome. the message of the chicago convention seemed to switch from democracy, which was a major theme for joe biden, to kamala harris and her allies talking about freedom, a word we heard over and over again. what does that mean to the average voter? >> well, first of all, good morning and thank you for having me, howie, it's a pleasure to be on. look, freedom is at the heart of our campaign. it's about the freedom to not just get by, but to get ahead, the make decisions about your own body and reproductive health care decisions, the the freedom to walk into a school and not worrying about gun violence and being told to get over it. we are going to talk about the people in this country, and about the future that we're charting toward under vice president harris and governor tim walz's leadership. howard: what was the challenge at this convention going in? while everyone knows kamala as vice president -- and there's no

dispute she got off to the a rocky start at the beginning of her term -- they don't really know her as a presidential candidate or that much about her bio in this strangely short campaign. >> well, look, i don't think that there is an issue at the convention. we have a task of intros deucing the vice president to the people and making sure that they understand her value set, her background and understand where she comes from which dictates the type of leader that she is going to be. and that's one that is bringing in an economy where everybody has an opportunity not to just get by, but to get ahead. and that that's in stark contrast with donald trump and j.d. vance who are only in this campaign to take away freedoms and think about themselves. we're going to continue to make sure we're introducing vice president harris even more to the american people and governor walz. howard: quentin, you've heard many times, when is kamala harris going to do an interview. you said the other day on her time. and that sort of sounds like stalling because she has said she would do something by the end of the month.

is there still nothing set? why is that? and will she do interviews with hard news journalism not just is, say, oprah or rachel maddow? >> look, the vice president has said she is going to sit down for an interview before the end of this month, and that is going to happen. the vice president has been out communicating with voters, she's done 80 plus interviews this year already as a vice president, and she has been out talking to voters and taking questions from reporters on a number of issues. and so i know the vice president looks forward to sitting down for an interview and, as she said, before the end of this month. howard: all right. that's six more days, so i think you might have made a little news there. tim walz with, who likes talking to the press and has often appeared on fox, will he be doing interviews as well? >> yes, he will as a well. howard: okay. why does the vice president say that donald trump is going to gut social security and medicare when he didn't do that in his first term, and he's as recently as a couple weeks ago said i will not cut one cent from

social security or medicare? >> well, i think that we have all learned that no matter what donald trump says, you cannot believe it. donald trump repeatedly tried to gut the aca, gut medicare, gut social security, and now he has a project 2025 the agenda, him and j.d. vance, to do just that. so what donald trump is saying publicly and what donald trump is putting in place privately with his plans and trying to run from are two different things. but, again, he is in a -- he is a liar, and americans cannot trust anything donald trump says. he do does not care about them, he cares about making their lives more difficult the at the expense of the wealthy and big corporations. howard: again, he was president for four years and didn't touch social security or medicare. let me sneak in a break here and we'll continue our conversation on the other side. and later, a senior trump adviser will be here. ♪ beth wants to get back to eating the food she loves.

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howard: when tim walz's former football players ran on stage, msnbc couldn't hold back. >> the room in here in terms of our little crowd at msnbc mother ship, everybody got out of their seats and started clapping, oh, my god, i can't believe this. howard: quentin, that's just one network, of course, but isn't it an advantage to have most of the media certainly more sympathetic to your candidate than to donald trump? >> i don't think sympathetic is the right word. i think they see a campaign that's been putting in the work as we have for the past 16 months, and they see authenticity coming from our campaign and candidates, both the vice president and governor walz, they see the donald trump dystopian vision for this country that continues to criticize america, call military veterans suckers and losers. it's something they don't want to cover, so i don't think it's sympathy at all. we're making sure that we're fighting for and delivering for the american people, and that's what we're going to continue ooh to do.

howard: donald trump is not putting in the work of being a presidential candidate? >> i think donald trump is demonizing america and has a dark vision for this country, and it's called project 2025. i think he continues to lie to the american people, i think he continues to not talk about the issues at stake. i think he continues to post fake, a.i.-generated images online, i think he continues to the revert to name calling because he has no vision for this country other than a dark one that will put the wealthy and big corporations ahead of the middle class, and he's trying to hide from it. howard: there were warnings from bill clinton and barack obama, and you obviously know this, that the vice president faces a tough couple of months here, that her record will come under republican assault given the more left-wing positions she took in the 2020 the campaign. do you believe kamala harris needs to explain why she now supports fracking when she said she opposed it, why she doesn't want to abolish private health insurance when she had embraced the bernie-style plan in the

last campaign? because anonymous spokespeople sometimes on the record have said that, but we haven't heard from the vice president herself on this evolution. >> well, look, i think that the vice president owes responses to the american people. but, look, on fracking, the vice president does not want to ban fracking. donald trump's false claims about her wanting to ban fracking are simply an attempt to distract from the fact that he is putting oil and gas corporations and honestly selling out to them at the ebbs tense of -- expense of the middle class. the vice president and president biden passed the largest climate legislation in history which has increased and made sure that america is the highest producing of domestic energy in this country, created nearly 3000,00s whereas donald trump lost 11 until in 2020. and when it comes to the health care, the vice president has been a staunch supporter of the affordable care act. more americans are is signed up under that today than at any point in history, and she's going to continue to expand and build upon the affordable care

act to make sure that americans have cheaper prescription drug costs, americans can make decisions about their own reproductive freedoms, is so that's where our focus is. we're not worried about explaining anything to donald trump, the vice president is going to talk to the american people about what her positions are. howard: all right. just briefly, there have been major media stories saying unlike hillary clinton, kamala harris is not emphasizing that she is the first woman, she'd be the first black woman to be president or the first anything, and she's all hose things, of course. but also pundits questioning whether there's a small minority that might not still be comfortable about voting for a female president. is that a potential obstacle? >> well, look, she doesn't need to say anything that she already is. i think that's pretty evident. at the end of the day, the vice president understands this race is about the american people. it is about the future of this country, and that's in stark contrast with donald trump who continuously does not understand that. and the difference between 2016 and 2024 is that the americans haven't seen just how dangerous and disastrous donald trump

would be in 2016 when they elected him the first time, and i think we now have a clear record of just how badly he has set back this country, and we're going to continue to make that case to the american people moving forward. howard: quentin full, of the harris campaign, thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you. howard: how the trump campaign is battling hearst and a hostile press corps. senior adviser jason miller will be here. ♪ ymoisturizer in the morning, did you know, the best time for skin renewal is at night? olay retinol24 renews millions of surface skin cells while you sleep. wake up to smoother, younger-looking skin with olay retinol24.

howard: donald trump has been trying to regain the initiative against the woman he calls comrade kamala. >> if kamala gets in, the united states will rapidly become a deindustrialized, third world nation like so many others have become. she's running on socialist price controls, banning gas-powered cars and trucks and private health insurance policies are gone. she wants to defund the police.

howard: joining us now here in washington, jason miller, senior adviser to donald trump's presidential campaign. are some of donald trump's attacks over the top? she destroyed san francisco, turned america into a third world nation, banning gas-powered cars. j.d. vance says she'll walk us into a nuclear war. they are encouraging electric car, but, so this sounds apocalyptic. >> actually, i'd say it's even worse when i you take a look at the past three and a half years. just as the border or czar, allowing 20 million illegals into the country. she was the deciding vote for two massive pieces of legislation that led to the largest growth in inflationing in the last 40 years and the chaos we've seen from afghanistan to ukraine, even today in the middle east is all due to the harris-biden administration. by the way, the 3-year anniversary of that horrific attack at abbey gate is origin, the on the 26th. one thing real quick here,

howie. when we talk about owning it, two months ago joe biden stood on that debate stage with president trump, and president trump did great, knocked him out. it was clear from that debate that joe biden wasn't in charge of putting on his own socks, let alone running the country. it was clear at that moment that kamala harris has been running everything -- howard: come on, she's vice president. and vice presidents don't set all the policies. does she play a role? absolutely. >> who's in charge then? we know biden's knot in charge. -- not in charge. that debate was so -- howard: he made a deal for some of our hostages in russia. >> well, hold on. when we talk about afghanistan, for example, kamala harris was the last person in the room when he made that decision. so whatever advice she gave him had horrific results because with afghanistan, that then spurred on what happened in ukraine, the involvement in iran led to the october 7th terrorist attacks gwen israel. but kamala harris can't have it both ways.

she can't fly around on air force two and try to take credit for so-called accomplishments but then try to pretend the last three and a half years didn't happen. howard: on that point, and you have every right to say she's part of the administration, don't they always get credit for example, the record-breaking stock market? the dow breaking 41,000 on friday. >> businesses think president trump is going to come back in, so they're the energized. a big part of that, that rfk jr. endorsement on friday, which is huge. some of the states could be upwards of 313,000-20,000 votes -- 13,000. other states could boost by as much as 40 or 50,000 votes. when you think about how close the margins are in this campaign, that endorsement alone could put president trump over the top. howard: we'll come back to that. let me ask you this, jace, the media, which has been largely anti-trump for a decade, hailed the convention as a smash hit. even a hardened political

operative like you would have to admit there were some successful moments there, as there were at the rnc, no? howard: it was a complete memory haul. you realize ever since biden said he wasn't going to warn -- to run, 84% of the coverage for harris has been positive versus 89% of the coverage for trump has been negative -- howard: where, broadcast newsesome. >> overall. that's what the coverage has been. and the fact that the mainstream media won't ask basic questions, why did you do it, why did you allow 20 the million illegals in, why did you vote for -- howard: the media haven't had a chance to talk to her at all which brings up the question why is the mainstream press giving her a pass on this issue, not saying it is important not because journalists are important, but because presidential candidates should talk to the public through i the press? if. >> they should. and president trump is out there taking interviews, tough intervows too. this isn't, you know, powder

puff football. he's taking tough questions, tough interviews. they won't do it. it's because their afraid if she's -- they're afraid if she's asked a single question, if i could write your questions for you, i would give them to the you for the last segment. what has kamala harris done to deserve a promotion? kamala harris wants to be the commander in chief? the one job she was formally given as the border czar is a disaster. there's no way we can give her a promotion. howard: the former president held two lengthy news conferences taking questions from all of the journalists. m msnbc refused to air it saying he lies all the time, so we're not going to put it on. >> it shows the contrast with kamala harris, and they realize if they're not going to ask her questions and if she won't take questions -- howard: right. >> and, by the way, a completely vague answer such as she might do an interview by the end of the month -- howard: she said she would. >> if she wants to earn the vote, she should be out there every single day.

kamala harris is going to have to answer how she's going to fay for these crazy spending ideas, why she supports the insane electric vehicle mandate -- howard: it's not a mandate, it's an incentive. >> it's going to destroy the u.s. auto industry. that's why she's having so many troubles in michigan. howard: donald trump said the other day he would be great for women and their reproductive rights. as you know, several pro-life groups criticized him. i know his vision, let the states do decide, but a phrase like that, doesn't it send a different mention? >> no. president trump is a very strong supporter of ivf and other family measures such as that for people who want to grow and start a family -- howard: what about abortion rights? >> well, he said that should be decided at the state level, and he's been very consistent with that. howard: the former president also said kamala harris met with putin three days before he invaded ukraine. that turned out not to be true, but she did mare a message from biden saying russia will create

a false pretext for the invasion. again, the vp doesn't sent that policy. >> hold on, we cannot let kamala harris off the hook. she was the last person in the room with biden for afghanistan. at that point, they knew. so joe biden sends kamala harris. he didn't go himself. he could have gone himself to send the message, but he sent kamala harris to the munich security conference to send the message to putin, do not do it, do not invade ukraine. what happened only four days later? putin rolled right in. that's because of the weakness and the abject idiocy we've seen from this administration has left americans dead, left peopls dead in ukraine. if they hadn't emboldened iran and appeared so weak, then we wouldn't have had the october 7th terrorist attacks. this all goes to kamala harris and joe biden, they own all of it. she's a radical liberal, and she can't dodge that. howard: why dud trump say he's entitled to make attacks against

kamala harris when his allies are saying stick the to the issue? >> he's going to question -- defend himself just like he always a has. do you know how many times they mentioned president trump's name during the convention? 4011 times. they mentioned inflation 99 times, illegal immigration 0 times -- 4 401 times. they didn't mention the assassination attempt a single time, not once during that whole week. and, in fact, only 48 or 72 hours after the assassination attempt after a president trump, they were up with brand new personal attacks. but that week of the democrat convention when their trying to pretend like the last three and a half years didn't exist and try to work people's thinking about the radical ideas going forward, it was just over and over attacking president trump. and, howie, these were vicious personal, negative attacks. there's a complete double standard for how president trump is treated versus kamala harris. howard: well, i think that there

should -- it was a reference to political violence, but that was a horrible attack, and we are all very lucky that donald trump survived it. i think that should get more attention even from the other side and from the media as a well. jason miller, thanks very much. >> thank you, sir. howard: after the break, item walz gives an every man speech but is caught in a falsehood. and later, rfk jr. unloads on the press. ♪ ♪ time to press rewind with... neutrogena rapid wrinkle repair. it has derm-proven retinol... ...expertly formulated... ...to target skin cell turnover... ...and fights not one—but 5 signs of aging. with visible results... ...in just one week. neutrogena ♪ i'm gonna hold you forever... ♪

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>> it's the fourth quarter! we're down a field goal, but we're on offense and we've got the ball. we're driving down the field. [cheers and applause] howard: it's the coach, vp nominee tim walz, and the minnesota governor had gotten personal after he was picked saying he and his wife gwen had struggled to have children. >> thank god for ivf. my wife and i have two beautiful children. he thinks he needs to dictate that? if. howard: we're back with the panel. tomi lahren, was it a mistake for tim walz to say irk vf and then get called out by the press because he used an entirely different technique called intrauterine insemination. >> i'm going to be honest with you, howie, i don't think most americans care which method of fertility treatment that he and his wife used to have their children. i think it's nonsensical to talk about it because it doesn't impact the everyday voter or the everyday american. so i'm not going to pile on, on that. i do think though that his

pattern of telling little, white lies or little fibs, it does reveal that maybe he does have an issue being fully transparent if or maybe his truth is different than the actual truth. but i think that we should be talking about how he handled covid protocols. i think we should be talking about how he handled the summer of love 2020. i think we should be talking about minnesota being a trans refuge if state. i think those things are much more important to talk about. i don't care which way he conceived his family. that's his business, not mine. howard: right. but it is important to some people because this method doesn't use discarded 'em pri owes. leslie marshall, i don't know what kind of vetting the campaign did, but whether you like or don't like tim walz, look, he was -- he's a hunter, he's a fisher, he was a teacher. he has a pretty liberal record in minnesota that undercuts any move by kamala harris to appear more moderate. [laughter] >> well, actually, most presidential candidates on the left come to the center, and we

saw that with the vice president as well. and you're supposed to pick a running mate that complements you, doesn't mihm ec you, right? d mimic you. kind of opposites atrack. erik -- tomi, we agreed on almost everything there. as someone who's had iui and ivf, howie, it's all an ivf system. i went right to ivf, i've had 13 if cycles to have my daughter. i started with iui. i had two or three failed iuis and then went to ivf. i understand your point and -- about what is more critical with the embryo and ivf, but i don't think he's wrong in saying i don't want the government to try to prevent me from being a parent when there are so many ways out there. and i would agree with tomi that the voters don't care if it's iui, ivf. and lastly -- howard: let me just jump in and say i didn't know that about you, and i'm glad to have you share that.

>> oh, thank you. so i have to say though i try not to laugh out loud, and no offense because i love, tomi, when anybody if on the right with donald trump as their candidate has any say about anybody else telling a white lie, a big lie, a little lie, a purple lie, whatever lie. donald trump tells a lot of lies. so if you're going to do that, you know, on one side of the aisle, please, turn inward and look at your own candidate. howard: all right. let me play a sound bite from the vice president. i raised this with the harris campaign, and we'll ask you about it when we're done. >> we are not going back to when donald trump tried to cut social security and if medicare -- and medicare. howard: now, tomi, "the washington post" fact checker says this is false, trump did not cut social security and medicare as president, and he told me in our first interview in 2015 that he felt people had paid into it and, therefore, deserved to get the benefits.

>> also a he's been quite frank that he doesn't want to tax social security, no tax on tips as well. i'm sure that the harris campaign will take both of those and run with them. we mow that they like to steal -- we know they like to the steal trump's policieses and masquerade them as their own. there was a number of lies that were told, and i find them really infuriating as a someone who is a trump supporter. when they talk about project 2025, donald trump has repeatedly denounced that. that he wants a national abortion ban, he's said he's not going to the sign a national abortion ban. he agree withs with the dobbs decision and agrees that it should go to the states. so the fact that democrats keep misrepresenting his actual policy positions when they don't bother to give us any policy positions of their own outside of trump's, i find that pretty hilarious. howard: okay. i've got about half a minnesota, leslie. donald trump posted about the jewish governor of pennsylvania, josh shapiro, didn't like his speech. kamala harris hates israel, and he says i have done more for

israel than any person. your response. >> well, i think yitzhak rah rah a bean would be rolling in his grave, as would golda meir. kamala harris was very strong about israel. some people say her comments and not having an imam present when they had a pastor and a rabbi at the end of the convention wrapping it up with prayer and the first night especially, no pro-palestinian speaker and married to a jewish man herself that she made not only her stance clear, but some people in my camp said i just -- we just lost michigan. howard: i've got to cut you off, because i want to save is time for the next segment.mm ♪er so you can get back to your monster to-do list.

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howard: rfk jr. dropped out of the race, endorsed donald trump and unloaded on the media. >> abc, nbc, cbs, msnbc and cnn combined gave only two live interviews for me. those networks instead ran a continuous deluge of hit pieces with inaccurate, often vile pejoratives and defamatory smears. your institutions have made themselves government mouthpieces and stenographers for the organs of power. howard: my view is he's scapegoating the media because he was a fringe candidate with a history of antivax comments and that's why he got little air time. leslie. >> leslie, thank you. you know, rfk jr -- and i don't with care who you are and i don't care who your family is, and i come from massachusetts

where, you know, after they spank the baby, they tell them vote for the kennedys. [laughter] so at the end of the day, this is a candidate and third party candidates because of our current system with the electoral college have no chance of winning. if this guy had huge numbers -- his numbers have been dropping and dropping and dropping. the latest cbs poll shows a 2 favorability rate, and it'll be interesting to see after this dropout and endorse. of donald trump two things. i'm hearing from some supporters on my radio show this guy just wants for himself. he didn't care about me. asked kamala, hey, have you got a piece -- place for me in my administration. when they can't bite, he went the trump. secondly, he has so many views that are different from president trump, the people who supported him for those views are saying, huh? not just a fringe candidate, he didn't have the numbers. he wasn't -- he had no possibility of winning. howard: tomi, kennedy was certainly a colorful candidate. everything from the dead bear

caucus he put in his car for dinner and the brain worm, but his own kennedy siblings say endorsing trump is a betrayal of the values of our father and our family. >> yeah, how dare someone have a mind of their own and be able to make their own decisions in the united states of america in 2020224. listen, i don't care what the kennedy family says about him. i give him a lot of credit for standing on his own beliefs and making his own decision. whether you like or hate his endorsement of trump, he's his own person, he's going to make up his own mind. to the point about the media coverage, listen, if he would have dropped out and and endorsed kamala harris, i would venture to guess all of those networks would have him on to do an interview. it's simply because he endorsed donald trump, a lot of networks cut away from his speech, so he's a man of his own. i would also say this, joe and kamala are so bad that they got a kennedy to become a trumper. [laughter] and that, to me, or really says something. howard: on that point, msnbc didn't take his speech live.

they just talked over him. if he had endorsed kamala harris, i don't think that would have been the outcome. look, first he's the democrat and then he tries to make a deal trading a job for the endorsement with both camilla kamala harris and dom trpped. he -- donald trump. he can't get the deal, but he just gives up and endorses donald trump unless maybe there's a wink and a nod. tomi lahren and leslie marshall, thankings for sticks with us for the hour. i'm how's kurtz, subscribe to my daily podcast, media buzzmeter. we have a lot of fun. i get to go on and on. it seems like campaign is just moving at warp speed, and we're trying to keep up every week. we're back here next sunday at 111 eastern. hope to see you then. ♪ ♪

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