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blind eye to calls for terror on our streets? is british policing no longer fit for purpose? i'll be asking tonight's newsmaker, former home office minister and politics legend ann widdecombe . politics legend ann widdecombe. plus, tomorrow's newspaper front pages and live reaction in the studio from my top pundits. a packed show , lots to get through packed show, lots to get through and let me tell you that take ten is coming. i'm not pulling my punches. who runs britain and why can't the police, police, british values? it's a big one. it's after the headlines with ray addison . ray addison. >> thanks, mark. good evening to you. our top stories tonight , you. our top stories tonight, bons you. our top stories tonight, boris johnson has urged israel's allies to stay the course in their support for israel in its war against hamas. the former prime minister toured some of the communities attacked by terrorists on the 7th of october. in an exclusive interview with our security editor, mark white, he said he was horrified by what he saw and
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he called on the international community to remember those events . events. >> let's look at what happened. remember this was sadism. this was an orgy of brutality. and torture against innocent people . torture against innocent people. people were chased around the rooms in their houses and shot. now, there's a difference between that and what the israeli soldiers are now trying to do in gaza . soto your your to do in gaza. soto your your point, mark, about what the international community needs to remember here is the difference between what israel experienced, the terror attack and what they're trying to do now . what they're trying to do now. what they're trying to do now. what they're trying to do now is make sure that never happens again . sure that never happens again. >> well, you can see more of that exclusive interview with bofis that exclusive interview with boris johnson tomorrow from breakfast at six and then throughout the day on gb news. well, tel aviv has been hit by a second major rocket barrage in just two hours this evening.
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sirens sounded across the city as iron dome missile defence systems lit up the night sky. the first attack occurred just minutes after former pm boris johnson visited an aid distribution centre in central tel aviv. there are no reports yet of any impacts or injuries. the rafah crossing did not reopen today, despite foreign office hopes that more britons could escape from gaza earlier. first minister humza yousaf posted a photo showing his in—laws . they've arrived back in in—laws. they've arrived back in scotland after being trapped in the strip for more than three weeks. egypt decided to suspend evacuations following a deadly attack on an ambulance . the met attack on an ambulance. the met police say six people have now been charged after 29 arrests at pro—palestine protests in central london. it comes as the prime minister and the home secretary expressed their concerns about further demonstrations during armistice day, met police commissioner sir mark rowley has promised to take
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a robust approach to ensure commemorative events are not undermined . and finally, riot undermined. and finally, riot police are trying to control around 100 young people in the niddrie area of edinburgh with fireworks being thrown directly at officers. police scotland have confirmed that they've also been subjected to attacks from petrol bombs. buses have been cancelled in the area and roads closed as well. the public is being asked to avoid that area as well. this is gb news across the uk on tv , in your car, on the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now let's get back to . mark now let's get back to. mark >> the splendid ray addison is back in an hour's time. welcome to a busy mark dolan tonight as they turn a blind eye to calls for terror on our streets , is for terror on our streets, is british policing no longer fit for purpose? i'll be asking tonight's newsmaker, former home
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office minister ann widdecombe . office minister ann widdecombe. plus, tomorrow's newspaper front pages and live reaction in the studio from my top pundits. former brexit party mep annunziata rees—mogg, conservative member of the house of lords. lord taylor of wannick and top trade unionist andy mcdonald . they'll be nominating mcdonald. they'll be nominating their headline heroes and back page zeroes . so a packed hour to page zeroes. so a packed hour to come . plus, are we heading come. plus, are we heading towards world war iii? i'll be joined by a top military expert before the end of the show. first up, my take . at ten first up, my take. at ten against a backdrop of industrial strife in the 1970s and the unions out of control with workers downing tools every ten minutes. the conservatives ran an election campaign based upon an election campaign based upon a simple slogan who runs britain? well it's a good question. today since the
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horrific terror attack on israel on october the 7th, we've seen attention in between the principle of the right to protest versus the protection of all communities in our country. we've seen a tension between free speech and hate speech and a tension between the tolerance of foreign values versus the protection of british values. every weekend , with these often every weekend, with these often disturbing demonstrations in central london, manchester and beyond, the authorities and in particular the police have got the balance badly wrong by masquerading as peace marches. these demonstrations have every single time descend into something far nastier with disorder on the streets , the disorder on the streets, the chanting of slogans like from the river to the sea and calls for intifada, which means suicide bombs on buses and in restaurants. our hapless cops have stood idly by as dangerous thugs call for a jihad or a holy
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war. all of this messaging is based around one thing and one thing alone. the hatred of jewish people. if significant numbers of people can call for a holy war in the united kingdom, in our capital city, then who runs britain ? who polices our runs britain? who polices our streets and who stands up for british values as our brilliant reporter katherine forster revealed that british citizens merely waving the union jack flag, which is the flag of this country , she was subjected to country, she was subjected to harassment and threats and abuse this weekend . look at that. what this weekend. look at that. what a crime . now, meanwhile, these a crime. now, meanwhile, these wonderful volunteers is handing out poppies and raising money for our war veterans were similarly subjected to the appropriate levels of harassment that you've seen in regard to that you've seen in regard to that other story . deeply that other story. deeply chilling stuff . now, that other story. deeply chilling stuff. now, i'm concerned about casualties on both sides in the middle east, gazais both sides in the middle east, gaza is hell on earth right now , gaza is hell on earth right now, thanks to hamas, i should add .
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thanks to hamas, i should add. and a two state solution is clearly the holy grail. and it's my view that israel likely has a case to answer for its treatment of palestinians taking sides in the middle east is a fool's errand. but unlike so many woke progressives in this country , progressives in this country, including a few high profile ones , i will never offer ones, i will never offer succour. however indirect, to terrorists to go on or support these marches so soon after the horrors of october the seventh. whatever way you look at it, encourages these mediaeval monsters who think nothing of beheading babies and calls from the bcci and brigade of deluded lefties for a ceasefire. a million invitation for further attacks and an effective second holocaust on the jewish people. not very nice at all. is it? what kind of country are we? if you get abuse for waving the national flag, what kind of country are we where one group of people, in this case jews , of people, in this case jews, can be singled out for hatred and persecution and physical
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threats? what kind of country are we where jewish people feel safer in israel , one of the most safer in israel, one of the most threatened territories on the planet than they do in great britain. what kind of country are we where the annual tribute to our war dead who gave their lives for the values which are now being trashed every weekend in front of the cenotaph faces major disruption in it's possible that two minute silence will be disturbed next weekend . will be disturbed next weekend. it's my view that the authorities have lost control of our national population because the actions of thousands now in the actions of thousands now in the name of free speech are an affront to british values and as the prime minister said recently, a threat to our democracy . you've got a school democracy. you've got a school teacher from batley still on the run, still in hiding, having lost his job and career for the great crime of showing an image of the prophet mohammed as an educational tool . and you've got educational tool. and you've got the cervix free leader of the
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opposition, keir starmer, who, having worn one earlier in the day for a keynote speech at chatham house later removed his poppy chatham house later removed his poppy there are, of course, to remember our fallen heroes whilst addressing british muslims and the mysterious case of the missing poppy. agatha christie . eat your heart out . christie. eat your heart out. i've got a spare one here if you want it. labour have said the absence of a poppy for that video was not in any way intentional poppycock that the man who would like to be our next prime minister should so readily yield to the mob and discard the memory of our war deadin discard the memory of our war dead in order to placate one particular community. he tells you everything you need to know about his character, about his values , and about what kind of values, and about what kind of leader he would be. i fear he would lead us into what is becoming a civil war where we are either one country with one set of values and one set of laws, or we are not. you can't have it both ways. who runs
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britain at the moment? no one. and that's the problem . i'm your and that's the problem. i'm your reaction ? mark at gb news dot reaction? mark at gb news dot com. now i'm hearing from the labour party spokespeople that this was not intentional. the absence of a poppy. i'm not convinced, but let me know your reaction on to what is happening every weekend in this country and the potential threat to next weekend's remembrance celebrations . so mark at celebrations. so mark at gbnews.com is the email. let's get the views now of my top pundits. former brexit party mep annunziata rees—mogg, conservative member of the house of lords, lord taylor of wannick and trade unionist and broadcaster andy macdonald. andy, great to have you back on the show. sorry for mentioning the show. sorry for mentioning the unions at the beginning of the unions at the beginning of the there. hope the unions at the beginning of the wasn't there. hope the unions at the beginning of the wasn't too there. hope the unions at the beginning of the wasn't too triggering hope the unions at the beginning of the wasn't too triggering . hope that wasn't too triggering. >> of course. no, of course not. we're here be we're here to
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we're to here be we're here to be mentioned. >> listen , great you >> listen, great to have you back. reaction to back. listen, your reaction to what to say there. i what i've had to say there. i feel that the authorities have lost country. lost control of this country. yeah i'd probably say so. >> you know, if you look at the last of conservative last 13 years of conservative government, there's been constant cuts after cut after cut of police funding. you know, there's not even been a proportionate growth of police officers over the last 13 years. you know, it's catching up to them. know, the constant you know, it's catching up to thento know, the constant you know, it's catching up to thento our(now, the constant you know, it's catching up to thento our public he constant you know, it's catching up to thento our public services. int you know, it's catching up to thento our public services. it cuts to our public services. it it's come roost . it's come to roost. >> so you would argue that the challenge in policing british values is a case of numbers and resource , not policy and not resource, not policy and not culture within the police. >> well, absolutely. i don't think politicians should particularly be getting involved with police business. othennise, you know, that's slippery you know, that's a slippery slope. sure. sure you'll slope. i'm sure. i'm sure you'll agree, mark, but. >> indeed, but but, andy, >> well, indeed, but but, andy, why been why have police officers been removing posters of kidnapped israeli children in order to placate the mob and to not spark incitement? why was a jewish guy who's been driving around with a
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van that's got a screen on it, which is a sort of flashing up images of those who have been taken hostage in gaza. why did the police tell him to move on in order to not cause trouble? >> i wouldn't be able to comment on those specific circumstances because i'm sure that they've got their own individual context . what from what you've . but from what from what you've said, that they have appropriate that they have done that. probably that. and that's probably just been the been a mismanagement of the situation in. >> listen, what about poppy >> and l' gate? |sten, wh at about p °ppy >> and listen, what about poppy gate? forget gate? because you didn't forget yoursdid not. >> i did not. >> i did not. >> did not. i was i was >> i did not. i was i was readily provided by the gb news producers. got their producers. they've got their priorities but you priorities straight. but you know, poppy day next priorities straight. but you know, you poppy day next priorities straight. but you know, you know, poppy day next priorities straight. but you know, you know, these' day next priorities straight. but you know, you know, these people, (t week, you know, these people, they fight for our they did go and fight for our british values. and one of our values of speech. values is freedom of speech. and i if want to protest, i think if they want to protest, they should be allowed to protest long it protest as long as it is respectful of other causes respectful of the other causes that are going on that day. >> what happened keir >> but but what happened to keir starmers, week? starmers, poppy, last week? >> it stolen off him? was it >> was it stolen off him? was it was it mugged him in london was it mugged off him in london is now . is a dangerous city now. >> is indeed. you >> it is. it is indeed. you know, 13 years of tory britain, you know underfunding. >> keir starmer , >> but of course keir starmer,
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you think he probably you know i think he probably forgot to put film the forgot to put it on film the video beforehand and then a press it on the press officer put it on for the speech. imagine it's speech. i would imagine it's probably error from the probably just an error from the press officer corps. >> all right. well look, >> okay. all right. well look, i'll i'll your word i'll take i'll take your word for lord taylor , what do you for it. lord taylor, what do you think we're seeing think about what we're seeing every possible every weekend and the possible threats next weekend's threats to next weekend's reflections on on our war dead? >> well, mark, this is a news channel, and i have some breaking news for you . there's breaking news for you. there's only one race, the human race. it's not about poppies or governments. it's about people and god created jews and palestinians, black and white. so we need to get back to the basics. that's my favourite verse in the bible is matthew five, verse nine blessed are the peacemakers . so we've got to peacemakers. so we've got to look at peace . when we get to look at peace. when we get to the peace, we get the blessings. my father came from jamaica. he fought for britain in the second world war in the eighth army and years later, whenever the face of sir winston churchill
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appeared on the tv, he would stand up and salute. and he'd say to me, boy, get up and salute, because he understood . salute, because he understood. and i now understand as i'm an adult, that what we did in the second world war now allows us to sit here and talk in freedom. othennise we'd be speaking german. so poppies are important because they they it's to remember the sacrifice that those men and women made for us in the second world war. we mustn't forget that. >> however, annunciato with people stood in front of the cenotaph every weekend calling for a holy jihad, calling for inter fada, which basically means suicide bombs on buses, in restaurants and all the rest of it. i just wonder whether the values for which our war dead gave their lives are being trashed every weekend in manchester, in glasgow, and in central london. >> and i think it is a real concern that that we are being asked time and again, whether it's keir starmer with his poppy
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or whether it's the actual meaning of these people calling for jihad and for intifada , that for jihad and for intifada, that we give them the benefit of the doubt, that we believe their intentions are are perfectly harmless or even good. >> and it's very odd that that benefit of the doubt isn't being given in the other way round , given in the other way round, that they seem to be an awful lot of calls that the israeli is and by extension to a lot of people, the jewish people are murderously going into to gaza. i don't think that's their intention. i'm absolutely sure they want to root out the evil that invaded their country and killed and raped their people. >> they have a right to defend themselves. >> they have an absolute right to defend themselves. >> the only true democracy in to defend themselves. >> middley true democracy in to defend themselves. >> middle east. democracy in the middle east. >> deserve our support in >> they deserve our support in defending themselves. and support starts at home that have got to show our support on our streets and amongst our people
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to stand up against this. true evil of hamas. well now coming up, as they turn a blind eye to calls for terror on our streets, is british policing no longer fit for purpose ? fit for purpose? >> i'll be asking tonight's newsmaker, former home office minister widdecombe . she's minister ann widdecombe. she's next. plus, tomorrow's front pages are on the way later in the show. are we heading for world war three? i'll speak to a top military and war expert. lots to come. but ann widdecombe is
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you do breathing skills, which is breathing the air blow bubbles in the water, because obviously what you meant to do is breathe the air. the blow is breathe in the air. the blow out in the water. is breathe in the air. the blow outyou're water. is breathe in the air. the blow outyou're listening to gb news >> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> well, listen, strong reaction to my take at ten. i think the police have lost control of the streets . i don't think they've streets. i don't think they've got the balance between got the balance right between the and the right to protest and the protection specific protection of specific communities in our country. steve said, mark, if steve has said, mark, if armistice is disrespected, blood will flow . trust me. the british will flow. trust me. the british bulldog is like a bubbling volcano waiting to explode. we will see enough, says steve.
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well, look, steve, i do hope that nothing turns violent because we must always respect the rule of law . however, the rule of law. however, disagreeing slightly , ian says. disagreeing slightly, ian says. mark, when does defence become genocide in relation to israel and john says, mark, you're quite right with your take ten, keep going, going. excuse me, keep going, going. excuse me, keep going. what a difference to the woke . bbc well, thank you the woke. bbc well, thank you for that. thanks for the kind words. your emails words. more of your emails shortly. mark gbnews.com it's time now for the newsmaker and this has been the fifth weekend in a row in which have in a row in which protests have taken streets , a worrying taken to the streets, a worrying number have been number of whom have been chanting anti—jewish and chanting anti—jewish slogans and calling for a holy war harassment and intimidation reached boiling point yesterday in whitehall with brits waving the union jack subject to verbal abuse and the threat of violence . meanwhile, in trafalgar square , a member of the public who was actually physically assaulted by actually physically assaulted by a palestinian protester was himself moved on by the cops. you couldn't make it up. here's a short excerpt of what happened . we'll get you the clip
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shortly. but as cops turn a blind eye to calls for terror in the name of keeping the peace , the name of keeping the peace, is british policing no longer fit for purpose? let's speak to former home office minister and one of the best known politicians in the country, ann widdecombe, an odd i know that it's tough for law enforcement, but our officers doing enough to stand up for british values . stand up for british values. >> no, i mean, i think the first thing you've got to ask yourself is, mark, what do we want from the police? well most people want to feel that call want to feel that if they call them because in danger them because they're in danger or they're being burgled or whatever the police whatever it is that the police will come nowadays , it's in the will come nowadays, it's in the lap of the gods. whether they do or not. we want to feel that if we run into a difficult situation outside our homes that there will be police nearby. there never are. they're never visible . so we want to feel that visible. so we want to feel that they'll tackle and they'll prosecute criminals . but ask any prosecute criminals. but ask any shopkeeper. prosecute criminals. but ask any shopkeeper . when the police last shopkeeper. when the police last took shoplifting seriously and
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then when it comes to demos, what we want is that the police will act without fear or favour , will act without fear or favour, that they will apply exactly the same rules to both sides of whatever argument is going on. and that certainly isn't happening at the moment. we miss the clip that you were going to show, but that's a pretty good demonstration of partiality of deaung demonstration of partiality of dealing with one side, either with fear or favour, whatever it happens to be, that motivates the police. but it's quite wrong. and i think the british pubuc wrong. and i think the british public has lost confidence in them . so the fact remains is them. so the fact remains is some police do a seriously good job, some lose their lives and the course of their duties. we got to remember that it would be quite wrong to forget that. but on the whole, i think most brits would say now that we don't get the service that we certainly used to get from the police and as far as this marching goes, what exactly is parliament doing now? what reform uk have called for is a straightfonnard law that says nobody demonstrates or
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marches, doesn't matter what the cause is, nobody demonstrates or marches on either. armistice day itself or remembrance sunday. both both those days because the only show in town on those days should be respect for veterans . should be respect for veterans. >> yeah, most definitely . >> yeah, most definitely. listen, we're going to play that clip in just a moment. you'll see some highlights there. but before we get to it, do you accept the argument of police chiefs, ann, say that chiefs, ann, who say that they're law ? they're hamstrung by the law? are they powerless tackle the are they powerless to tackle the hatred out these marches ? hatred out on these marches? >> oh, of course they're not powerless to tackle hatred. good heavens. powerless to tackle hatred. good heavens . they arrest street heavens. they arrest street preachers at the drop of a hat. of course, they're not powerless. they won't exercise the power. i mean, when they can say with a straight face. oh, well, you know, they didn't really want to arrest anybody for calling for a jihad because that different things . that can mean different things. it might not necessarily mean a holy war. i mean, that is the biggest load of nonsense , you biggest load of nonsense, you know, that they could possibly
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come out with. but they do it with straight faces. well, indeed. >> now, ann, is somebody >> now, ann, this is somebody that was in central london and he was protesting peacefully with a placard and he was assaulted by somebody that was, i guess , pro—palestine. take a i guess, pro—palestine. take a look and let me have your measured verdict on how the police handled this incident. take a look. are you here? >> why are you here? >> why are you here? >> i'm here to have conversation. why is it offensive to want to move over there ? there? >> yeah, i'm moving you over there to prevent a breach of the peace. >> if i stand peacefully and people come and get aggressive with me, i'm the one breaching the peace. >> if your presence at that location is causing people to do that, then yes. okay well , anne, that, then yes. okay well, anne, your assessment of that. >> this guy was standing very peacefully. he was physically assaulted with a placard and then escorted across the road by then escorted across the road by the cop, treated like the criminal . criminal. >> yes. that officer desperately needs some advice, but if that
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is the advice that has been given to them as to how to handle potential breaches of the peace , then those who are doing peace, then those who are doing the advising it need to take some serious stock of what they're doing. because to say that if somebody is simply they're being completely peaceful and that person is threatened, that therefore or that person is causing the breach of the peace, not the one who's threatening them. that is just a piece of utter madness. i don't know what gets into the police sometimes, and i don't know what gets into, you know, strikers . i don't know what gets strikers. i don't know what gets into the conservative government >> listen and let me ask you about suella braverman speaking of the conservative government , of the conservative government, is she right to call these demonstrations hate marches as some of them undeniably are ? some of them undeniably are? >> but i'm perfectly certain there are also people on those marches who don't who aren't motivated that way, who do genuinely want to protest for peace. now i happen to think
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they're misguided , but unless they're misguided, but unless they're misguided, but unless they are calling for a jihad, unless they are saying things that are deliberately anti—semitic , unless they are anti—semitic, unless they are doing those things , then it's doing those things, then it's difficult to call them hate marchers. but if they are doing those things, if they are and plenty of them are , then they plenty of them are, then they are hate marchers and they should be arrested , outed. and should be arrested, outed. and i go further than that. if having been arrested and convicted of causing hatred, if any of them are here on visas as opposed to with permanent right to remain, if any of them are here on visas, revoke the visas . visas, revoke the visas. >> and i wish we had longer. we'll do more next week. my thanks to the former home office minister, bestselling author , minister, bestselling author, television personality and politics legend ann widdecombe, who's exasperation, i'm sure is shared by many of you. lots more to come. next up, tomorrow's newspaper front pages and live reaction in the studio from my top pundits and they'll be nominating their headline heroes
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and back page zeroes of the day. and at the end of the show , at and at the end of the show, at 10:45, a live studio guest. the last word where we look back at a big story of the week. and i'll simply be asking, are we tiptoeing towards a third world war? but next up, it's the papers. i'll see
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earlier on gb news radio . earlier on gb news radio. >> a bit of housekeeping. i will be looking after nine until 11 on monday , day to thursday this on monday, day to thursday this coming week that will be my last stint for now on monday to thursday. so looking fonnard to seeing you tomorrow at nine. but it is now 1030 and it's time for the front pages . daily express . the front pages. daily express. bofis the front pages. daily express. boris israel is fighting terror for free. people across the world and brexit trade freedom boost for uk economy kemi badenoch today blasts the brexit doom mongers after a report
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showing that leaving the eu has boosted uk trade. the business and trade secretary will use a keynote speech to talk up the economy, which she says is thriving thanks to new trade freedoms. mrs. badenoch will rail against those who insist freeing britain from the shackles of brussels has severely damaged the economy. it comes as a landmark study released today . morrow shows released today. morrow shows goods and services exports soared between 2019 and 2022. the independent next and nhs hit by severe drug shortages due to brexit red tape. so there you go. two sides of one coin and also gaza health ministry says more than 50 killed in strikes on refugee camps . daily on refugee camps. daily telegraph now the met chief urged to ban armistice day protest benefit claims . ants protest benefit claims. ants face weekly account checks and take away culture, puts those in their 50s at greatest risk of
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high cholesterol . the i now high cholesterol. the i now i think we've got uk's national security council not prepared for heightened terror threat reassuring headline. their metro rijm emirates warning hands off cenotaph feet won't touch the ground before they go to jail , ground before they go to jail, says braverman. if anybody attempts to desecrate the sonograph the cenotaph guardian next, israeli strikes on gaza intensify as violence on lebanon border flares and licencing plan for oil . in border flares and licencing plan for oil. in king's border flares and licencing plan for oil . in king's speech, rishi for oil. in king's speech, rishi sunak will announce legislate for a new annual system for awarding oil and gas licences as part of a highly political king's speech tomorrow. that the concert gives hope will open up clear dividing lines with laboun clear dividing lines with labour, of course, tomorrow . labour, of course, tomorrow. that refers to tuesday because it's a monday's guardian daily mail. pressure on tories over serial rapist mp cover up and
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bofis serial rapist mp cover up and boris tells of his horror at scene of kibbutz massacre day star atlantic torment here we blow again. britain is about to be battered by four more storms as a 700 mile wide tempest bnngs as a 700 mile wide tempest brings 70 mile an hour winds and torrential downpours bring a brolly . and those are your front brolly. and those are your front pages. let's get reaction now from my brilliant pundits. tonight, former brexit party mep annunziata rees—mogg , a annunziata rees—mogg, a conservative member of the house of lords, lord taylor of wannick and trade unionist and broadcaster andy mcdonald . lots broadcaster andy mcdonald. lots of stories to get through. let's have a look at where we should start. well, look, shall we start. well, look, shall we start with some good news? annunziata brexit, trade, freedom. a boost for the uk economy that goes against the narrative, doesn't it? >> it completely against >> it goes completely against the narrative and it's barely begun actually, a begun that actually, as a brexiteer , i don't feel this brexiteer, i don't feel this government has made yet not nearly enough of our brexit freedoms and our ability to
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trade globally and freely with other countries . and there's other countries. and there's much more of this to come. it's a great start. let's get on it and keep it going. most definitely. >> listen, andy, your reaction to this . i don't know if you are to this. i don't know if you are pro or against brexit. >> at the time i was i was pro brexit the time. brexit at the time. >> you go. so do you feel vindicated? >> not quite, no. you know, a lot of the promises were based on industrial investment the on industrial investment in the midlands re midlands and the north re industrialising midlands and the north re indusbeenfing midlands and the north re indus been stripped away through midlands and the north re ind|80sen stripped away through midlands and the north re ind|80s and:ripped away through midlands and the north re ind|80s and 90sed away through midlands and the north re ind|80s and 90s and nay through midlands and the north re ind|80s and 90s and early|rough midlands and the north re ind|80s and 90s and early 2000. the 80s and 90s and early 2000. >> far we've not really >> and so far we've not really seen of that. know, seen much of that. you know, there's mine promised in there's been a mine promised in whereas cumbria, think whereas like cumbria, i think it was, no real was, there have been no real investment heartlands of investment in the heartlands of england and i think until we get that hasn't worked that brexit hasn't really worked as was promised to as well as it was promised to because on the because that's why many on the left pro brexit, because left were pro brexit, because the to have state aid the ability to have state aid and haven't seen and you feel we haven't seen enough not at no. i enough of it, not at all, no. i think if look in the think if you look in the midlands, the north and a lot, a lot of those who lent lot of those voters who lent their johnson their vote to boris johnson in 2019 promise of 2019 were on that promise of industrial investment. and it just happened. just hasn't happened. no, although gratifying although it must be gratifying for , critics of brexit who
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for you, critics of brexit who said, you know, the economy was going to fall over, there'd be a flight of capital, there'd be a crash in the housing market. >> know, the prophets of >> you know, the prophets of doom wrong, doom have been proved wrong, haven't they? doom have been proved wrong, haerah.1ey? doom have been proved wrong, haerah. in'? doom have been proved wrong, haerah. in this case, yeah. >> yeah. in this case, yeah. but if look, the day if you look, you know, the day after the referendum, the pound did quite a big hit. and, did take quite a big hit. and, you throughout you know, throughout the negotiation periods, there have been economy. but been hits on the economy. but this is very good news. this is this is very good news. i'm sure, and hopefully we'll be able this on this. >> lord e.- >> yeah. lord taylor, what do youwell, i am pro brexit. the >> well, i am pro brexit. the problem is it was present as an event. brexit is a process and the process is now happening and it'll get better as time goes on. >> on. >> oh, well, yes. i mean, look, i voted remain, but i'm searching around for the brexit disaster. well, bless you for that. well, like like, i mean, back in the old days, you would accept the democratic will of the people. and after the result came out, i just thought, okay, we're leaving. let's make the best of it. at that point, best of it. and at that point, i was pushing full fat was pushing for a full fat brexit because view is you brexit because my view is you don't to be half pregnant. don't want to be half pregnant. i leave the i think if you leave the european want have european union, you want to have
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an trade and an independent trade policy and you want control of your money. law, the rest of law, borders, all the rest of it, not going it, which you're not going to have one you're not have in one day, you're not going have that with the going to have that with the single you're single market access and you're not it with not going to have it with a customs union. so i've gone from zero when comes to zero to hero when it comes to that, cannot find the that, but i cannot find the brexit disaster. no no. >> i mean, boris said we got brexit done and i think he misled people to that extent , misled people to that extent, thinking, well, on day two, it's all done. no, i mean, are we glossing over the reality? >> what about those businesses who don't export to the bloc anymore because of red tape and cost? >> we've still got a huge amount of red tape to cut. and we've got that's brexit, isn't it, that it's all part we've got to get rid of. we vote for that that we absorbed when we were members that we can now get rid of need to get rid of of and we need to get rid of to increase to live increase our ability to live freely and to thrive economically. we that for 40 years, it doesn't happen . years, it doesn't happen. >> it doesn't. >> it doesn't. >> but it wasn't seven years. >> but it wasn't seven years. >> it wasn't it needs to be done. >> but wasn't it since we voted, remainers would argue that a
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vote for brexit was red tape forever. they would argue that we forever we will have red tape forever because you you are because if you if you are a foreign , as it were, foreign country, as it were, outside of the bloc, it's to going be harder to do trade. >> get to set what red tape >> we get to set what red tape we think is necessary and what we think is necessary and what we we don't we don't. and that if we don't want that poisons or want food that poisons us or is utterly cruel, say so. utterly cruel, we can say so. and we think something else and if we think something else is to what we make is equivalent to what we make anyway, accept that. and anyway, we can accept that. and i that's as should i think that's as it should be. but need to open up more. but we do need to open up more. >> let's look at >> andy, let's have a look at this licence thing. plan for oil in king's speech, sunak is in king's speech, rishi sunak is going to drill, baby, drill. if he wins the next election. and it is going to be in the king's speech this week. the right move ? >> it's probably not the right move. i think we need to start moving away from, you know , the moving away from, you know, the gas and the fossil fuel industry. we should be moving towards. >> three minutes ago, you wanted a coal mine. well no, no, i don't want a coal mine. >> i want industrial investment. i should looking i think we should be looking towards hydro towards nuclear and hydro subsidised towards nuclear and hydro subsknow, they are future. you know, they are the future. you has a bad you know, nuclear has got a bad rap. know, it's got pretty
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rap. you know, it's got pretty bad coms. you know, they probably mckinsey probably hired mckinsey or someone, with someone, but, you know, i'm with you way. you all the way. >> needs a better >> it definitely needs a better marketing department behind it because it's zero carbon and essentially very reliable source of energy, of course. >> yeah, absolutely. and it's, you know, it's a long term solution . you know, it takes solution. you know, it takes a while to build a nuclear power station, when built station, but when you've built it, . i think do need it, it lasts. i think we do need to that plan both for the to see that plan both for the energy market in the and also energy market in the uk and also employment the uk because if employment in the uk because if we investment now, we make this investment now, yeah, a little yeah, it might cost us a little bit, in the long term it bit, but in the long term it will. it will serve such a great benefit. >> it is country, is in the >> it is country, it is in the long term and in short term long term and in the short term we need keep all our we need to keep all our factories all our cars factories open, all our cars moving, all our homes heated without relying on very dangerous countries abroad and being self—sufficient. >> saudi arabia, russia, and well, that's the point . well, that's the point. >> absolutely. we need to be using our own. >> we were too dependent on other countries, dangerous countries our oil. countries for our oil. >> now, here's the worry, keir starmer is going to not have any
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future oil and gas licences if he becomes prime minister and therefore restricting our supply in the medium term. that's going to be a vote loser, isn't it? when people get their heads around what he's actually planning to do? >> no, i think he's planning not to make any new new licences. why not? he will renew. he should be he won't add to them. he will renew them, but not add to is point. it's quite to them is the point. it's quite often misconstrued, is often misconstrued, which is fair enough. you know, his comms team ideal, don't team isn't ideal, but i don't know you. know about you. >> but i want new licences is just that we can guarantee just so that we can guarantee future have future supply so we don't have to to vladimir putin to go begging to vladimir putin or replacement. or his replacement. >> you >> i disagree. i think, you know, tories have know, the tories have trashed the we need to make the economy. we need to make cuts some areas so we can cuts in some areas so we can invest others. if it invest in others. i think if it means we renew new fossil means we don't renew new fossil fuel invest in fuel licences and we invest in energy and energy for the energy and green energy for the long i think is long term, i think that is a better letting people. better plan than letting people. >> thing i've >> there's one thing i've noficed >> there's one thing i've noticed freezing the homes noticed about freezing the homes that he's an eco that keir starmer, he's an eco not wear a well apart from not wear a poppy well apart from that an eco, not a voice. that he's an eco, not a voice. so he'll stick to so i don't think he'll stick to that. flip flop again . that. he may flip flop again. you know, says what he thinks you know, he says what he thinks is popular at this particular
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time. so i don't i don't think he's going to stick to that. >> i just worry that this is a threat not just our economy, threat not just to our economy, but security. if but our national security. if the makes it the prime minister makes it harder for uk to have any. harder for the uk to have any. >> that's i think he'll >> but that's why i think he'll flip you're flip flop, because you're worried cost of worried about the cost of living, share your concern living, and i share your concern about living, and i share your concern aboand like a fair wage >> and you'd like a fair wage for a day's work and for a hard day's work and i share too. but all you're share that too. but all you're going is up the cost going to do is ramp up the cost of living . if the of energy of living. if the cost of energy increases, will happen if increases, which will happen if we supply like it has we don't have supply like it has the two years. the last two years. >> correct. >> correct. >> that's what would >> and that's what many would argue to a lot of argue that is due to a lot of green tariffs already that green tariffs already and that we should have had access to more, gas fields in more, especially gas fields in the last ten years and then we could used our own supply. could have used our own supply. why? why is inflation so low in america they've so america? because they've got so much shale . who began that much shale. who began that process drilling for shale? process of drilling for shale? barack obama. barack obama. >> well, so a liberal. a liberal president? >> most definitely. so isn't that the point when the that the point is that when the green renewables kick in, fantastic. that's not where fantastic. but that's not where we are at the moment. but that's where keir starmer thinks we are. >> no, i think issue goes >> no, i think this issue goes back 80s when the
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back to the 80s when the conservative prime minister margaret down margaret thatcher shut down all the hubs the the industrial hubs in the midlands in the north and didn't have plan like the by your own have a plan like the by your own council scheme. there council house scheme. there wasn't goes back, wasn't a plan. it goes back, you know, back decades. know, it goes back decades. this tory ahead and tory failure to look ahead and keir isn't going make tory failure to look ahead and keir mistake.isn't going make tory failure to look ahead and keir mistake. he'sgoing make tory failure to look ahead and keir mistake. he's going make tory failure to look ahead and keir mistake. he's going to make that mistake. he's going to make policies for the future, not for the now annunziata for margaret thatcher actually very thatcher was actually very fonnard looking and the fonnard looking and one of the greenest, environmentally greenest, most environmentally supportive ministers supportive prime ministers this country had . country has ever had. >> and one the things she did >> and one of the things she did do is close coal. do is close the coal. >> that's not she did it, >> that's not why she did it, though, is it? we can't retrospectively make her greta thunberg. she did. retrospectively make her greta thl greta. she did. retrospectively make her greta thl greta thatcher. she did. retrospectively make her greta thl greta thatcher. sheiid. retrospectively make her greta thl greta thatcher. she did >> greta thatcher. she did implement a lot of very green policies, which include policies, which did include obviously the nuclear workers. one problem with nuclear one of the problem with nuclear is turn it on off is you can't turn it on and off and an alternative to and you need an alternative to that demand, low that for high demand, low demand. goes for wind, demand. the same goes for wind, which can't control. and which you can't control. and until major batteries, until we've got major batteries, we were known as the poor man of europe. >> she made us the greatest economy in europe during her reign as it were. i think that keir starmer is saying what he's saying today . there's no
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saying today. there's no guarantee you'll be saying something different next year. guarantee you'll be saying son my|ing different next year. guarantee you'll be saying son my greatest rent next year. guarantee you'll be saying son my greatest concernt year. guarantee you'll be saying son my greatest concern is ear. guarantee you'll be saying son my greatest concern is that >> my greatest concern is that laboun >> my greatest concern is that labour, who are likely to win the next election, are going to bet house on renewables. and bet the house on renewables. and i think conversation that no i think the conversation that no one's to have is that one's willing to have is that the renewables is a the push for renewables is a punt.it the push for renewables is a punt . it is an experiment . the push for renewables is a punt. it is an experiment. i cannot find any country in the world that is enjoying steady, consistent , secure supply of consistent, secure supply of energy from renewables . now i'm energy from renewables. now i'm not against it in principle. there are lots of jobs in it. and by the way, britain is a global tech. global leader in green tech. it's a question of how i it's just a question of how i think need to to get to think we need to start to get to that, right. how fast and the fact that is an experiment. fact that it is an experiment. >> a complete experiment, fact that it is an experiment. >> don't plete experiment, fact that it is an experiment. >> don't plete ex|know>nt, fact that it is an experiment. >> don't plete ex|know which and we don't actually know which technologies going turn technologies are going to turn out the most out to be the most environmentally friendly. we only diesel only have to go back to diesel and discovering that actually, although the government thought it turns out it was the answer, it turns out to much worse for us to be much worse for us polluting the killing our polluting the air, killing our kids. most definitely. kids. now, most definitely. >> look, that's my >> look, andy, that's my concern, that labour, if they concern, is that labour, if they get in, are going to bet the house on green renewables. we're going this national going to have this national energy company. great energy company. is it great
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british energy ? why should the british energy? why should the state be taking that gamble when private enterprise won't ? private enterprise won't? >> because private enterprise have failed to provide for the british people ? british people? >> is it not a worry that they don't invest? what about don't want to invest? what about those that were up those wind licences that were up for grabs a few weeks ago? no takers private sector, takers from the private sector, but numpties the public will but us numpties the public will be for it through our taxes. >> the private sector . i mean, >> the private sector. i mean, shell what, billion last shell made, what, 5 billion last quarter? it's quarter? you know, it's outrageous. can't be outrageous. they can't be trusted. take it into trusted. we need to take it into our own hands. they failed for decade decade. decade upon decade. >> a wise man >> do you want you're a wise man with head with your head on your shoulders. you want bet shoulders. do you want to bet the green renewables? the house on green renewables? do my point? that do you not accept my point? that laudable as they may be, they are it's a gamble. are a punt. it's a gamble. >> i agree you. you >> yeah, i agree with you. you know, we should know, that's why we should increase on those industries. >> but what if they don't deliver? >> government has cut the >> the government has cut the r&d tech. yeah. which r&d on green tech. yeah. which isn't . isn't ideal. >> no, that's fair point. i >> no, that's a fair point. i think r&d is always good think r&d is always a good investment you not think investment. but do you not think germany pretty advert investment. but do you not think ger green pretty advert investment. but do you not think gergreenrenewables? advert investment. but do you not think gergreen renewables? they'vet for green renewables? they've massively invested over a decade and themselves and they found themselves dependent energy dependent on moscow for energy supply just before they invaded
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ukraine. >> it's a complete it's difficult to compare germany to the uk. it's a completely different domestic and domestic situation, a completely different economy. you know, you can't compare the two. but i think what is needed is research into green technology and green energy and that implemented on a long basis. long term basis. >> fascinating stuff. well, coming up, more from tomorrow's newspaper pages and newspaper front pages and reaction in the studio from my brilliant and in the brilliant pundits and in the last next up , are we last word. next up, are we heading for world war iii? i'll be live in the studio be joined live in the studio by a journalist, man a legendary journalist, a man who's wars than who's seen more wars than napoleon. robert fox is the world on borrowed time. that's next. plus, more front pages. see you .
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in two. there you go. listen, you've got disappearing presenters. you've got disappearing poppies. there we go. we are back. and let me
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tell you that we've got more front pages. let's have a look at the sun, the currant bun and they lead with show some respect. fury over marches, please. told protect poppy day services lose a stone for christmas. slimming world. i can save you a lot of time and money just cut the carbs folks at the times is israel steps up assault on hamas and £15 billion windfall for the treasury raises prospect of tax cuts some much needed good news there . okay needed good news there. okay folks . well, it's time now for folks. well, it's time now for the last word in which a leading commentator reflects on the big story of the weekend. and tonight, as tensions grow in the middle following the hamas tonight, as tensions grow in the middleon following the hamas tonight, as tensions grow in the middleon israelowing the hamas tonight, as tensions grow in the middleon israel andg the hamas tonight, as tensions grow in the middleon israel and with hamas tonight, as tensions grow in the middleon israel and with aiamas attack on israel and with a complex axis that includes iran and neighbouring countries with possible influence from china , possible influence from china, russia and beyond, put bluntly, are we heading toward is world war iii? to discuss this, i'm delighted to welcome the revered defence editor of the evening standard. brilliant journalist
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robert fox. robert, thank you so much for coming studio. much for coming into the studio. i we see more of you going i hope we see more of you going fonnard. israel's key military objective is the elimination of hamas . can it be done and how hamas. can it be done and how long might it take? >> i think in the short term it can do it. it can probably , can do it. it can probably, despite what the sceptics are saying , it probably can reduce, saying, it probably can reduce, which you need the military capability of hamas in gaza, whether it can deal with hamas single handedly across the region is open to question because the weakness is that the so—called in inverted commas, moderate arabs are not stepping up. this is why diploma is failing. you can go round and round, talk to the king of jordan , talk to mbs, even in jordan, talk to mbs, even in saudi arabia, the egyptians are absolutely crucial, but are extremely reluctant, as we've seen over the rafah crossing. and then we see this cauldron thatis and then we see this cauldron that is lebanon. if that blows up , then we are globally in big
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up, then we are globally in big trouble. so it's the algebra is very, very difficult . but i very, very difficult. but i think that israel is being patient. and i think that contrary to what the acas were saying, it's preparing for really quite a long haul . i really quite a long haul. i think that the ground operation will go on for at least six weeks, probably 2 or 3 months. >> okay. and if, god forbid, world war iii was to happen, well, that's game over for everyone, isn't it? >> yes , because if there is >> yes, because if there is world war iii on the way, as you as your proposition suggests, it's going to be utterly different from everything we saw with the big industrial wars of the 20th century, because it's going to involve cyber space. it's going to involve battlefields where everything can be seen above the ground and above above the sea. and it's going to be war among the people , as we have seen in ukraine, as we have seen in the cities and the kibbutzim of israel. and what's going on in gaza. it's
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going to be difficult to talk to. sort friend from foe and combatant, from civil an with a nuclear element of course, that's that is a very interesting one that you brought interesting one that you brought in because i did a little checklist when i knew i was coming. you sent me the exam question and that is the big unknown. and that is the thing that i think that the public and the commentariat is not taking seriously enough. we seem to be edging into another quite difficult nuclear arms race. the previous one was binary. it was soviet bloc, nato led by america. now it's the world and his wife and the possible entity of non—state nuclear powers. this is why the guerrilla movements, the terrorists are so dangerous . because of what they dangerous. because of what they could get ahold of. don't think that i'm exaggerating the stuff that i'm exaggerating the stuff that we have found in the various archives of al—qaeda showed that they they have and also the japanese terrorists.
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they were interested in chemical warfare, in biological warfare and nuclear, including whatever they might turn out to be. and god hope, god prevent that we it ever happened to the nuclear dirty bomb. >> imagine that. so if hamas got hold of nuclear weapons, let's bnng hold of nuclear weapons, let's bring my pundits in on this, if i can. andy mcdonald, annunziata rees—mogg mogg and lord taylor of wannick. how worried are you about this? lord taylor , about about this? lord taylor, about the global situation and the threat of a third world war, which would surely be the last war? >> well , it is war? >> well, it is a war? >> well , it is a serious >> well, it is a serious situation, but when you look at the history of mankind and faith has always been a stronger force than fear. and so i believe you look at the bible, you look at history, world history , good history, world history, good eventually defeats evil. now evil may win in a battle, but it doesn't win the war. so i'm not frightened. i've got faith, not fear . fear. >> what we need now is great
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diplomacy. andy mcdonald a point made by robert just before we went on air. >> i completely agree. i think, you know, whether it's the conservative government or a labour government in the uk, you know, great britain will have a large role to play in in in negotiations if this kind of thing were to break out. and i think, you know , a reliance on think, you know, a reliance on civil service and our diplomatic service needed. and think service is needed. and i think we do need investment in the diplomacy corps to ensure that nothing like this will happen. >> annunziata this demonstrate why hamas must be dealt with. >> it does, but i think that we've got to look at the bigger picture , what other things are picture, what other things are going on. we've already got a war on in between russia and ukraine. there are threats around taiwan and china . this around taiwan and china. this could become truly global unless it's stopped very quickly . we it's stopped very quickly. we what we don't want to do is put our enemies together . we need to our enemies together. we need to be talking on lots of fronts. and the diplomacy has to be truly global to ensure that
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these threats don't come to pass . and we do need to clamp down on terrorists before they become big enough and strong enough to bnng big enough and strong enough to bring down the rest of the world. >> robert, i wish we had longer, but let's get you back in the studio very, very soon. my thanks to robert fox, the legendary defence editor of the evening standard. my brilliant pundits as well. you for your company. one last week, monday to friday myself in the hot seat. that's right. i'll be doing 9 to 11 from tomorrow right through into next weekend. so i'll see you tomorrow at nine. next up is the brilliant headliners and, uh, yeah, look, have a nice evening. and see you tomorrow . tomorrow. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office are a few showers to watch this watch out throughout this bonfire night particularly for bonfire night, particularly for western there could be western areas. there could be still at times pushing still heavy at times pushing their way in across, particularly northwest england, west through west and wales through the bristol channel western bristol channel as well. western areas scotland, not escaping areas of scotland, not escaping either second half of either into the second half of the we just a the night. we could just see a few beginning their way
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few beginning to skirt their way into sussex and kent, but lot into sussex and kent, but a lot of other areas will of other eastern areas will remain some remain largely dry with some clear underneath clear intervals underneath that, some it some mist and fog possible. it will relatively will also turn relatively chilly, particularly for chilly, particularly so for eastern scotland, where we can expect so quite expect some frost. so quite a chilly start to the new working week here. but as we head into monday, a sunshine monday, it is a day of sunshine and many. those and showers for many. those showers most frequent in the west. perhaps a few west. once again, perhaps a few rumbles of thunder, maybe some hail heaviest ones as hail in those heaviest ones as well, the afternoon, well, into the afternoon, just starting showers starting to see those showers progress into eastern areas of england. with us, england. but still with us, a good of sunshine in good amount of sunshine in between temperatures between them. temperatures around 10 to 13 c. so fairly pleasant you are in those pleasant if you are in those sunnier spots. but tuesday, it will again start relatively showery. we've got this showery. but we've got this ridge high pressure that's ridge of high pressure that's going moving way in going to be moving its way in dunng going to be moving its way in during that will during the day. that will gradually help ease off the gradually help to ease off the showers, particularly for western we head into western areas, as we head into the afternoon. drier the afternoon. so turning drier here. again, some sunny intervals out for and intervals to watch out for and enjoy you are out and about. enjoy if you are out and about. the winds easing off the winds also easing off throughout as we throughout the day as well as we head wednesday , though, head into wednesday, though, there is a more persistent band of that will be sweeping
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of rain that will be sweeping its way the then into its way across the uk. then into thursday, return thursday, the showers return once enjoy your evening once again. enjoy your evening
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by by >> by >> good evening. i'm ray addison in the newsroom, our top stories tonight, boris johnson has urged israel's allies to stay the course in their support for israel in its war against hamas. the former prime minister toured some of the communities attacked by terrorists on the 7th of october. in an exclusive interview with our security editor, mark white. he said he was horrified by what he saw and he called on the international community to remember those events. look at what happened. >> remember , this was sadism . >> remember, this was sadism. this was an orgy of brutal city and torture against innocent people. people were chased around the rooms in their houses and shot .
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around the rooms in their houses and shot. now, around the rooms in their houses and shot . now, there's and shot. now, there's a difference between that and what the israelis three soldiers are now trying to do in gaza. soto your your point, mark, about what the international community needs to remember here is the difference between what israel experienced, the terror attack and what they're trying to do now . what they're trying to do now. what they're trying to do now. what they're trying to do now is make sure that never happens . happens again. >> we can see more on that exclusive interview with boris johnson tomorrow from breakfast at 6:00 and throughout the day on gb news as well . tel aviv has on gb news as well. tel aviv has been hit by a second major rocket barrage in just two hours this evening. sirens sounded across the city as iron dome missile defence systems lit up the night sky. the first attack occurred just minutes after the former prime minister boris johnson, visited an aid distribution centre in central tel aviv. there are no reports yet of any impacts or injuries. the rafah crossing did not reopen today, despite foreign office hopes that more britons

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