away. >> good evening. the indecision grows . no one >> good evening. the indecision grows. no one seems to be in charge. no one can make a decision as to whether the pro—palestine march should go aheadin pro—palestine march should go ahead in london on an armistice day, we going to need to build 8000 new roads in this country just to cope with net migration levels at the current number. don't take it from me. migration watch will come on and tell us all and the de—banking scandal grows as more and more people start to complain to the authorities. i would like to think i might have had just something to do with that. but before all of those items, let's get the news from polly middlehurst . nigel thank you. middlehurst. nigel thank you. >> in the top story this hour, the prime minister has welcomed assurances from the metropolitan police that the pro—palestinian

march planned for this weekend dunng march planned for this weekend during the nation's annual penod during the nation's annual period of remembrance will be routed away from the cenotaph in london. rishi sunak spoke with the met police chief, sir mark rowley today amid concerns the march could interfere with remembrance commemorations in a statement, the prime minister described the planned march as disrespect , artful and disrespect, artful and offensive. in any case, the london mayor, sadiq khan , says london mayor, sadiq khan, says the policing of protests shouldn't become political. but the met insists it is keeping an eye on this weekend's events. transport secretary mark harper, though, says sir mark rowley will be held accountable for any trouble. >> this is the operator responsibility of the commissioner of the metropolitan police. the legal powers are his to request that he has to make a judgement based on the all of the factors that he has to take into account. and as the prime minister said, it's the met's responsibility to make sure the march goes off safely and we'll hold him to account for that.

>> rafah crossing between >> the rafah crossing between gaza and egypt has been closed because of security concerns. the foreign office says more than 150 british nationals managed to leave gaza via the crossing last night and that comes as the israeli military says hamas has lost control in northern gaza as thousands of residents head south. the un says 15,000 pass through the crossing yesterday . israel has crossing yesterday. israel has said today it won't reoccupy the gaza strip or control it for an extended period of time. but they will press on with their offensive against hamas. here at home, a war memorial in greater manchester has been guarded by police today after protesters sprayed free palestine graffiti across the base. greater manchester police said the cenotaph in rochdale was vandalised and poppies were removed. yesterday afternoon and it's currently a crime scene. both police and rochdale council have condemned the vandalism as

criminal disrespect, which is totally unacceptable . now the totally unacceptable. now the government's long running dispute with rail unions that's led to widespread train strikes over recent months may soon be over recent months may soon be over after talks between the rail delivery group and the rmt union. a plan has now been set out in what's been described a mutually agreed way forward. it includes a pay rise backdated to 2022 and job security guarantees . as the rmt says, it's a welcome development. members will now vote on whether or not to accept the offer . and lastly, to accept the offer. and lastly, in the united states , donald in the united states, donald trump's daughter has been tested lying in court in new york in a civil fraud trial. ivanka trump has told the court she did not recall details of property deals she worked on at her father's company. the lawsuit alleges that mr trump intentionally inflated the value of his property to deceive banks and insurers, thereby gaining better

terms on loans. the judge has already ruled that the trump organisation committed fraud and that this trial is merely to determine penalties. mr trump has denied any wrongdoing , has denied any wrongdoing, calling the trial a witch hunt. this is gb news across the uk and now across europe. welcome to our new viewers and listeners away from the uk who are tuning in for the very first time today. details on how to stay in touch, of course, at gbnews.com . touch, of course, at gbnews.com. >> good evening. the indecision is reaching levels that are almost embarrassing. who's in charge of making a decision as to whether the pro—palestine march should go ahead through central london.7 this saturday armistice day or not.7 now it was interesting that the prime minister, rishi sunak, summoned sir mark rowley, the boss of the metropolitan police, to downing street today. he cancelled another engagement to go there,

but it seems to be all over the place because you see, sir mark yesterday said it's up to politicians to draw up the lines. it's up to politicians to set the rules . but i would set the rules. but i would argue, sir mark, that actually the public order act of 1986 is perfectly clear . if you think perfectly clear. if you think there is a serious danger of violence or damage, then you have the power to recommend that the march is banned and given some of the appalling scenes from the last three saturdays and what we've seen happen to poppy and what we've seen happen to poppy sellers on charing cross station and worse still, waverley station up in edinburgh and now the vandalism, of course , of that senate in rochdale. i would have thought the danger was pretty obvious and pretty clear. so they had the meeting in downing street and rishi sunak has come out with a sort of pretty weak kneed statement saying that he thinks that the whole thing is inappropriate and wrong, but it's people's right to march. and that's what we

fought for. well, there is a point, of course, in that , but point, of course, in that, but nobody, nobody wants to take responsibility , let alone, of responsibility, let alone, of course, the mayor of london, sadiq khan. now he's put out a statement. he's been ever so quiet for the last week. in the last hour or two saying no one disputes that remembrance events must be protected. but the policing of protests are operational decisions for the met, not the home secretary. yes yes. sadiq khan, we know that. but who has direct responsibility for the operations of the metropolitan police force.7 well, it's you do. and you have enormous power. and it was khan, of course, who got rid of sir mark rowley , his rid of sir mark rowley, his predecessor. yes. cressida dick got sacked because mayor khan didn't want her there anymore . didn't want her there anymore. now he wants nothing to do with it. the government want nothing to do with him by the if to do with him by the way, if they wanted they could ban they wanted to, they could ban they wanted to, they could ban the march by by passing emergency powers. that wouldn't be a problem. but they won't do it. and it seems that the met

are. frankly, i think, increasingly turning a blind eye to some of the awful things that are being said and done on our streets . i suspect in some ways , streets. i suspect in some ways, as it's probably now too late to ban this march, people will have booked tickets and they're probably going to turn up anyway . so is there a compromise solution? well, i think there is . you see, the police certainly don't have the power to ban gatherings. so why not allow the pro—palestine protesters to have their gathering in hyde park to fly their flags in hyde park? but if they leave of hyde park and head towards our national monuments, then arrest every single one of them. that to me seems to be at this late hour, perhaps the only possible compromise. i'd love to get your thoughts. farage at gbnews.com. well who better to join me to discuss this than stephen

roberts, former deputy assistant commissioner of the metropolitan police. stephen, good evening. thank you for joining police. stephen, good evening. thank you forjoining us on the thank you for joining us on the program . i notice that in 2011, program. i notice that in 2011, when the english defence league wanted to have a march through east london, it seemed quite a straightforward move that the march was banned . why was that march was banned. why was that one banned? and yet the boss of the met doesn't think this one should be, because in that case there was credible intelligence that the march would cause disorder, that there were people involved in the march in tent on disorder and that the whole event couldn't be policed safely i >> therefore, it should be banned. >> therefore, it should be banned . on this occasion, the banned. on this occasion, the commissioner has said quite, quite plainly he does not have that intelligence to say that that intelligence to say that that he can't control the there are people intent on disorder, that he will be unable to control and i'm afraid you're quite wrong, nigel. the

commissioner is taking response ability as his as is his constitutional job for policing this event properly and what we have, in fact, is a completely needless political dispute here. the organisers of the demonstration have worked with the police to make sure that the demonstration takes place at a different time and in a different time and in a different location, so that the two events will have nothing to do with each other . and that is do with each other. and that is entirely right and proper. and as the prime minister has finally conceded, that's exactly the sort of thing that those people who fought bravely in the in the second world war were fighting for. but the political freedoms to demonstrate peacefully and lawfully . peacefully and lawfully. >> no, i quite understand that. stephen but, you know, what do you say to me that the edl march was banned because there were people there intelligence people there who intelligence said were intent on disorders ? said were intent on disorders? exactly you just said. exactly what you just said. there people marches there are people on the marches for the last three saturdays.

and so undoubtedly will be there on this saturday calling for jihad and calling for infertile order, calling out right. in many cases , celebratory messages many cases, celebratory messages and chants from the river to the sea. palestine shall be free. and we know that many of the people involved in organising these marches are actually themselves former. no an associates of hamas. they've been throwing firework works around in trafalgar square. we know there will be a significant number of people on this march on saturday who are intent on disorder was surely we have the last three weekends to prove that to us? >> no . what we don't have and >> no. what we don't have and what the commissioner has said very clearly that he doesn't have is intelligence to suggest that disorder of a very serious scale. it's not something that's done lightly. i think it's only been done once in the last couple of decades that marches

have been banned. and he's confident that with the forces that he's got at his disposal, this can be policed safely. and in an orderly way. >> well, it all feels a bit one sided to me. i mean, stephen, what about point as well? >> go on. sorry. that those who would want to cause disorder are very unlikely to be deterred by any sort of ban. now so what would happen would be that the police will be faced with the same event , the same disorder same event, the same disorder that they would have to deal with irrespective of the ban. the only people, the ban would effect are those people who are law abiding and who want to demonstrate that peace peaceably . the i understand the point that we're coming to a late hour and as i said, people have booked train tickets or whatever to come and attend this. >> coaches indeed have been booked. know from the north of booked. i know from the north of england. my england. what about my compromise solution we compromise solution is that we allow have a gathering allow them to have a gathering in hyde park way away from many

veterans events that will be taking place there are memorials, divisional memorials all around central london, as you well know. what about we say you well know. what about we say you can have a gathering, you can have speakers, whatever you want in hyde park , but you don't want in hyde park, but you don't leave hyde park and march on the streets with your pro palestine flags. what about that as a compromise saying that you can't do something means that you have to be in a position to enforce that prohibition ? that prohibition? >> you said earlier on, oh, well , if they march towards something we don't like, we'll arrest a lot of them. well, i'm afraid arresting something like, well, tens of thousands of demonstrators, that's not going to happen. it's simply not possible . so you need 4 or 5 possible. so you need 4 or 5 officers per individual arrested and the met. indeed, the police service nationally would struggle to deal with that . what struggle to deal with that. what you would end up with is a riot. and that's above all, what the

service needs to prevent. >> okay . well, as ever, stephen >> okay. well, as ever, stephen roberts, thank you for joining us on the programme. i have to say, folks, that all seems a bit one sided to me. if you're the edl, you're the bad guys. if you're pro hamas, you are just fine. i'm joined by stephen barrett, barrister and writer stephen the metropolitan commissioner says it's up to government to lay down the lines and we will then act. but isn't the truth of it, the lines have been laid down in legislation already . already. >> yes, and i think that the pubuc >> yes, and i think that the public need to stop listening to what the metropolitan commissioner says because he keeps saying things to them, which are not true . now, that's which are not true. now, that's quite a problem . and i can go quite a problem. and i can go through some of the things he said in the last few days. by the your point about us the way, your point about us running is largely running out of time is largely because the metropolitan police commissioner dragged his commissioner has dragged his feet after day after day. feet day after day after day. what we have seen is successive weekly protests in london

getting more and more vile . and getting more and more vile. and the one last saturday involved direct assault of people in military uniform . it involved military uniform. it involved mass assault of members of the pubucin mass assault of members of the public in mcdonald's. the idea that the legal test of a risk of serious disorder is not met is just a nonsense. that's why the met commissioner had to had to just frankly , whether just frankly, whether intentionally or purely by accident or because of incompetence. the metropolitan commissioner has has reached for static protest . you do not get static protest. you do not get from hyde park to nine elms by standing still. this is not static protest. nigel also by the way, static protests which are actually called assemblies. don't know why he's using the words, but there we are. assemble these can have conditions put them and conditions put on them and that's what you're doing as a compromise. saying have compromise. you're saying have your assembly you could your assembly actually you could have or have it in blackheath or somewhere away somewhere even further away

where big open space where it's a big open space where it's a big open space where damage can be done and where no damage can be done and you keep them in you you can keep them in and you know can also do. nigel know what you can also do. nigel you time them so you could time limit them so that before the sun goes down they're disperse. because they're all to disperse. because we quite clearly we saw last time quite clearly the off. when the violence kicked off. when the violence kicked off. when the goes down. and we have the sun goes down. and we have reached a point in our society where we have so abandoned reached a point in our society where wesense so abandoned reached a point in our society where we sense thatbandoned reached a point in our society where we sense that apparently we common sense that apparently we must sit there , nod our heads must sit there, nod our heads and pretend he's intelligent because the met commissioner has not got any intelligence that there is a risk of violence. despite three weeks of protest in which we've seen escalating violence, we are to ignore our eyes. our freedom is now slavery . and we must. we must do as we're told, nigel, and just pretend everything will be fine. well, if this goes ahead, nigel, this should be on the head of that commissioner. well i think it may well be stephen barrett. >> put. now >> very eloquently put. now stephen barrett absolutely. disregarding the words of the met boss, which is not of course a call for all of us to ignore the police. now now, saturday is

armistice day , up until the armistice day, up until the second world war. that was the moment that was commemorated around the country. since the second world war, it's been the nearest sunday. but an organisation called the western front association set up over 40 years ago to honour those that fought in that great conflict of the first world war. they revived the whole thing about 25 years ago. i've been a member of the wfa since 1987. i attended that first laying of a wreath at 11:00 on the 11th at the cenotaph , and i'm very pleased cenotaph, and i'm very pleased to say that richard hughes of the wfa joins me now . now, the wfa joins me now. now, richard, as i say, i've been a long standing member of the organisation i've attended more than once. your service on the 11th at the cenotaph . but you 11th at the cenotaph. but you feel that that the pro—palestine march should still go ahead . march should still go ahead. >> well, good evening, nigel. thank you very much for inviting me on the programme . this is me on the programme. this is very difficult, isn't it? you've

got some very , very challenging got some very, very challenging competing priorities here, as you will appreciate as much as anyone. the western front association in supports the people who fought in the great war to protect the democracy that we that we enjoy. so instinctively, our sense is that we want people to be able to demonstrate and when you talk to a few months ago about a compromise , you know, whether compromise, you know, whether people are moving or whether their assembling, i mean, our hopeis their assembling, i mean, our hope is that the very, very important commemorative services that will be going on in london can go on, can go on undisturbed . and i think one of the great sadnesses of this week is that the reason why we have these services has been overshadowed by this this political debate . by this this political debate. and there's no doubt at all the metropolitan police are in a very difficult position because they are you know, they're trying to manage remembrance events. are big sports

events. there are big sports events. there are big sports events. there's also a huge events. and there's also a huge demonstration. so they are in a tncky demonstration. so they are in a tricky spot. what seems to tricky spot. and what seems to be is that this be clear is, is that this complex relationship between sadiq and the home sadiq khan and the home secretary and the mayor is very, very unclear to many of us who's got power and who's got influence. absolutely. >> i mean, you know, who's in charge of all of this? they're passing the buck. it's the most ridiculous game. but, richard, be honest with me. you know, when the wfa turned up just before 11:00 on saturday at the cenotaph, they're going to do so this year with some degree of trepidation, aren't they? yes yes. >> we would like to think that we were turning up at the cenotaph on saturday morning, as we've done for the last 40 years. and you can remember when this first started, you know, there'd be a small handful of wfa members hanging on to the cenotaph , trying not to get cenotaph, trying not to get knocked over by the buses, flying past, you know , this is flying past, you know, this is it's a very, very sacred and important act of remembrance on

behalf of this country. important act of remembrance on behalf of this country . and we behalf of this country. and we would we would like to go to the cenotaph thinking only of that and not of the political debate that has been going on this week. no. and i'm sad that even if it goes ahead smoothly on saturday, this week has been tainted because of these discussions which have been going on. >> sadly , richard hughes, i have >> sadly, richard hughes, i have to agree. i hope everything goes well on saturday. i can't join you this year, but i will in future years. i promise. and thank you for joining future years. i promise. and thank you forjoining us. well, thank you for joining us. well, thank you for joining us. well, thank much. thank you. thank you very much. thank you. in moment, we get migration in a moment, we get migration watch on to tell us we're going to need to build 8000 new roads. yes, 8000 just cope with net yes, 8000 just to cope with net migration into britain . why does migration into britain. why does this never get discussed on any other news

didn't he? and he made clear that he felt that the risk, the line hadn't been crossed . line hadn't been crossed. >> well, i asked you who is in charge of making this decision?

indeed, perhaps even the country as a whole. michael says, well, it's not rishi, it seems. no, it's not rishi, it seems. no, it's not rishi, it seems. no, it's not rishi. he absolutely is passing the buck. collins says . passing the buck. collins says. as i thought khan was in control of london and therefore responsible. collins so did i. but he says, not me, guv . and but he says, not me, guv. and matt says the police have lost control of the streets and they know it. and anonymous says no idea who's in charge anymore. the whole country is an utter mess right now . one of the least mess right now. one of the least discussed subjects . it's in discussed subjects. it's in british public life is the impact that the population explosion has had on our quality of life . if i'm not for a moment of life. if i'm not for a moment here discussing a failure of multicultural ism which many will see happen on the streets of london, perhaps this saturday, i know what i'm talking about here are sheer numbers . and one organisation numbers. and one organisation who've done more than anyone to

really try and wake people up to this and they've been going for over 20 years is migration watch. i'm joined by dr. mike jones. there executive director . jones. there executive director. now mike, the last set of net migration figures into britain were 606,000. the next set of figures are due out in about two weeks time. we don't yet know what they're going to be, but you've done some work here and projected what this means for the country. if we carry on as we are, we have indeed, mike watch has predicted that if net migration continue at migration figures continue at the current level until 2046, our population will increase from 67 million to 83 million. >> that's the best case scenario depending on birth rates and so on. this is roughly equivalent to 50 new birmingham's. on. this is roughly equivalent to 50 new birmingham's . so in to 50 new birmingham's. so in this recent paper we've taken a snapshot of what 50 new birmingham's looks like in terms of infrastructure. so you're looking at around 8000 new roads, 8000 roads mean that's a

lot of roads . yeah. you know, lot of roads. yeah. you know, more than 2000 bus ways . you more than 2000 bus ways. you know, more than 2000 gp surgeries as you know, you're looking at close to sort of 7000 new schools , you know, 75 new new schools, you know, 75 new universities, 75 police stations . this is going to impose a huge burden on infrastructure. yeah we're always told i've been told for decades, especially by the very clever people at the bbc when they've interviewed me and these sorts, i've been told. >> but nigel, you know , people >> but nigel, you know, people coming into the country and working and paying tax are a net benefit to the economy . but none benefit to the economy. but none of those calculations has cost him what it's going to really cost the state and what it has cost the state and what it has cost the state already to build new schools, new roads, new hospitals. no one's ever calculated this. >> you . yeah. i mean, this is >> you. yeah. i mean, this is all fancy term in economics. they they call it negative externalities . do they really?

externalities. do they really? yes. >> well, i've learned something today. >> so it's basically the burden that population growth imposed is on the system as a whole. so obviously, some immigration definitely benefits the economy. you know, it greases the wheels, so to speak. you know, limited numbers of legal migrants chosen for their skills and their high human capital. but there's the additional burden on housing and transport, school fees, hospitals , public services and hospitals, public services and so on. and obviously, the state finds it very difficult to catch up , if you like, in terms of up, if you like, in terms of building this. >> yeah, because if you're not really in control of it, it's tough to plan future infrastructure because you don't really know how many are going to come. and even now that we've got control in theory outside the european union over migration into britain, we haven't really have we? >> no , well, because if you pass >> no, well, because if you pass certain criteria area you can come . yes. come. yes. >> we're not capping anything .

>> we're not capping anything. >> we're not capping anything. >> i mean, one of the promises of brexit was to take back control , you know, national control, you know, national sovereignty , parliament taking sovereignty, parliament taking account for numbers and so on. but what we've seen is a points based system that actually debases immigration standards in terms of qualifications , terms of qualifications, salaries, because we lowered we, we all thought with an australian style points system. >> what it meant was the bar would be raised, yes, but in fact it's been lowered. >> absolutely 100. obviously the conservative party are committed to reducing illegal immigration. i don't think there's any deception there. they're genuinely committed to it. but on the issue of not doing very well, are they? >> but anyway, go on. no but on the issue of legal migration, that's an intentional political decision . decision. >> they have actually made choices in terms of policy that will keep the numbers high and actually increase. >> it's almost like their dirty secret, isn't it? they promise at election after election, tens

of thousands, tens of thousands, tens of thousands. they've now given completely. tell you given up completely. tell you what, i find amazing, mike, what, i also find amazing, mike, your organisation, as say, you your organisation, as i say, you were up in the early 2000. were set up in the early 2000. there's no statistic or figure you've ever produced that has been said to be wrong. you know, even the guardian don't criticise your analysis and your figures. they just don't . and figures. they just don't. and yet, apart from sir edward leigh, the backbench conservative member for lincoln up in lincolnshire, i can't think of a single member of parliament who's even raising this subject about the population explosion . i mean, population explosion. i mean, you don't have much support in parliament, do you? >> yeah , it's surprising. >> yeah, it's surprising. i mean, this is one really important aspect of migration policy. its janus face. so the government talk tough stuff, but they deliver more liberal policies than what the public demand and i think this is going to completely reshape british

politics in the future . and politics in the future. and certainly i think the conservative party are making a rod for their own back on this. >> mike jones from migration watch, thank you for joining me. and when you think about it, folks, isn't it astonishing, you know, since tony blair came to power, our population has risen by more than 10 million, and 85% of that is directly down to new people coming into the country . people coming into the country. and by the way, many of them are very, very good. many of them are great people. many of them are great people. many of them are abiding and work hard are law abiding and work hard and well. of them, and do well. not all of them, but many of them. but the problem is that sheer population push has diminished our quality of life . just try and drive of life. just try and drive around the country and get stuck in traffic jams. what hope have you got in many parts of britain of getting a gp appointment? oh well, if you want your kids and grandkids have the things grandkids to have the things that like well that you had like houses, well frankly, it's become almost impossible. in a moment, we crossed to america, crossed the pond to america, where set state elections where a set of state elections last delivered a very good last night delivered a very good

result for the democrats. despite voting results for the republicans . i wonder, is republicans. i wonder, is abortion now becoming a major problem for the republican party

they're heading for downing street . street. >> remember on monday i told you there was some polling out in america over the weekend putting donald trump really quite well ahead of joe biden in the presidential race in five of the six key swing state. it's a reflection that trump actually is doing quite well. the more they victimise him, the more popular he becomes. um, but it also shows that actually confidence in biden is falling. but his party, the democrats last night exceeded all expectations , as in virginia , expectations, as in virginia, which has always been a bellwether of what's to come. despite having a republican governor, quite a well known one in glenn youngkin and actually

the democrats now control both of the houses and those results were repeated across many states in america . well, joining me to in america. well, joining me to discuss why this happened and what it means is dave rubin, american commentator and host of his own political talk show, the rubin report, and he joins me live from miami . dave, thank you live from miami. dave, thank you and welcome to the show. um let's start with virginia . you let's start with virginia. you know, glenn youngkin won that gubernatorial race quite a popular figure . he told donald popular figure. he told donald trump, keep out of virginia. we can handle this. what went wrong . nigel? >> virginia is a really, really bizarre one. youngkin is not only really popular, but, you know, if you look at his election, which was less than two years ago when he became governor of virginia, 3 or 4 days before, he was getting crushed in the polls, it was only until he really leaned into the anti—war stuff. in his case, specifically about gender pronouns and girls and boys

bathrooms and the rest of it, that he got the parents behind him and then he won pretty solidly. and by most estimations, people have been saying, oh, this is this is great. from let's say, a conservative perspective. you know, it looks like virginia is going to start really , really going to start really, really leaning line with, leaning red, more in line with, say, florida, where i am. so what happened yesterday is really, really bad. mean, really, really bad. i mean, conventional wisdom on this thing that republicans , thing is that the republicans, as disgusted many people are as disgusted as many people are with the democrats when you see the real radicalism of the left and what i call the hamas caucus and what i call the hamas caucus and the fact that joe biden clearly is not the functioning president of the united states, despite of that stuff , if despite all of that stuff, if somehow the republicans have a really bad branding problem and you mentioned before the break that that abortion seems to be coming back as an issue, which is really unfortunate because regardless of where you sit on on abortion specifically, you know, if you think about what the government is supposed to do , say, protect borders, have , say, protect our borders, have some sort of economic policy ,

some sort of economic policy, you know, the things that government's really there for abortion, i know it's very close, close held to heart for all people, but it shouldn't really be that high up on your apex of important issues to deal with because it's not something the government should have that much with. so it's a non much to do with. so it's a non winner for the republicans, unfortunately. and i think they're pay the they're starting to pay the price it. price for it. >> yeah, a big problem, >> yeah, it's a big problem, isn't it? i mean, supreme isn't it? i mean, the supreme court overturned roe versus wade. it back to the wade. they put it back to the states, could argue states, which you could argue actually a very democratic actually was a very democratic decision say to people in decision to say to people in states, however, states, you can decide. however, however , it's being that however, it's being seen that this was a republican move , that this was a republican move, that republicans want to ban abortion completely. and i thought the other result , dave, that was other result, dave, that was really interesting was , is the really interesting was, is the ballot measure, the referendum that took place in ohio where by quite a clear majority , you quite a clear majority, you know, they voted to keep, as they put it, on their side of they put it, on their side of the argument, reproductive rights in the state of ohio and the real problem here is in some of the really strong trump

voting areas, there were big turnouts to vote that abortion should be allowed to continue. so the party has got itself in a real mess with this. and my worry, dave, is you go into next year to the presidential election in and there'll be ballot measures like this in ten states, 20 states, 30 states that will push the turnout up. they're in real trouble on this, aren't they? >> yeah , it's a great point >> yeah, it's a great point because the more they put these ballots and these initiatives and attach them to a presidential election, if you think that abortion is one of the important things which you vote on, which again, i unfortunately think that a lot of people do think that it shouldn't be. there are way more important things the government should dealing but if should be dealing with, but if you put that there as that you put that up there as that apex to vote for, then apex issue to vote for, then people vote abortion people will vote on abortion more importantly who they more importantly than who they would for presidential would vote for presidential politics. you're also right, politics. so you're also right, by the way, that you know, when roe wade reversed , it was roe v wade was reversed, it was the solid democrat static position, meaning you kick

things to the states that are not designated in our founding documents to the to the federal government. so we've done that. right. and every state. look, i'm here in florida. we have a heartbeat, bill. at six weeks, some states like california have quite literally eight month abortions. you can decide for yourself what think is more yourself what you think is more radical. but we do know, especially with urban and especially with with urban and suburban women, middle class women , abortion is just up there women, abortion is just up there and they will it will supersede what they feel about the economy , what they feel about the borders and almost everything else. yeah no, this is i mean, donald trump himself recognises this . this. >> you know, he is aware that it you know, whilst the pro—life position is an absolute respectable, decent position held by many americans, it is a minority position, even amongst conservative republican voters. moving on to dave, i mean, you in recent times have lost confidence in donald trump being the candidate , and yet there

the candidate, and yet there isn't going to be anybody else, isn't going to be anybody else, is there? >> well, i'm not so sure of that . i mean, well, first, i should say , as you know, nigel and we say, as you know, nigel and we discussed it when i saw you in london last week, i voted for trump. i like trump if he is the nominee, i'm going to support trump. am in florida, a trump. i am here in florida, a state that is by far the most functional state in the nation where we believe in law and order, where did right on order, where we did right on covid, where we've gotten esg out our system, where we out of our system, where we fought, woke and fought disney and things . i fought, woke and fought disney and things. i think and all of those things. i think ron desantis at 45 years old, is ready for a generational change, which i think desperately needs. i also think, as i'm sure you know, you know, kim reynolds in iowa, a super popular governor in iowa, she just endorsed ron desantis , which if i'm to desantis, which if i'm to believe that he's down by 50 points. that's quite an odd move by kim reynolds. i mean, why would she go all in on him? so, look, i don't know what's going to happen. don't we don't to happen. we don't we don't vote for another two months. right not for two

right the primary is not for two months. i do think that the polls are a little, let's say, shady. look, nigel, you've shady. but look, nigel, you've beenin shady. but look, nigel, you've been in politics for a long time. you know that nothing matters matters until people get into that ballot but either into that ballot box. but either way, desantis or way, whether it's desantis or it's better it's trump, it will be better than biden or whoever they decide to replace him with. and i'm not convinced i'm still not convinced he's even going to be the nominee. so we just need someone that will push bit back push us a little bit back towards because the towards sanity because the democrats, like your labour democrats, much like your labour party, left in america , has party, the left in america, has gone completely bananas. party, the left in america, has gone completely bananas . and gone completely bananas. and until we stop letting the inmates run the asylum, we will continue that slow descent to hell with them. >> dave rubin, thanks for joining wonder joining me. and i wonder actually, i don't think biden is going to their candidate , but going to be their candidate, but maybe last night, they'll maybe after last night, they'll think, we're doing quite think, oh, we're doing quite well him. dave, come and well under him. dave, come and join very soon, please. join us again very soon, please. thank any time. thank you. any time. >> . >> okay. >> okay. >> that was dave rubin. and yeah, really interesting. really interesting how this this issue of abortion is really beginning to cause the republican is very, very serious problems . now,

very serious problems. now, a piece of very good news. there was a journalist called carole cadwalladr and she wrote for the guardian and she became convinced she'd she'd uncovered the great conspiracy of the century . and it was that the century. and it was that the arron banks campaign, which supported me in the referendum, was funded by the russians . and was funded by the russians. and goodness gracious me, did they put arron banks through? absolutely murder people believed her. she won. she won the george orwell prize for journalism . people like jon snow journalism. people like jon snow of channel 4 were saying, what an amazing journalist that she was. and there were front pages after front pages, huge reports on channel 4 news, the bbc banks, funded by the russians, farage funded by the russians, funded by the kremlin. and goodness gracious me, russia was mentioned 144 times in my subject access requests from coutts bank. now it was all a

complete lie believed by the establishment spoken about in parliament, abusing parliamentary privilege. they did it to me. they did it to arron banks repeatedly and banks as a businessman faced ruin as a result of it because a parliament committee, having found no wrongdoing , then found no wrongdoing, then referred banks to the national crime agency , nearly closing crime agency, nearly closing down a business that then had 600,000 customers in shoring their cars with them. well banks fought back and it's taken him years through the courts . but years through the courts. but now the legal case is over. he has won his defamation case against carole cadwalladr. it's cost him a huge amount of money to do. she has a lot of money to pay to do. she has a lot of money to pay those who backed her in her onune pay those who backed her in her online fundraising attempt, frankly, have all been conned. but the russia hoax has now finally and completely been put to bed. well done, for aaron,

doing what you've done. i would love to have sued her myself. i just couldn't take the financial risk because a case like this runs into over seven figures going to law. even when you win , going to law. even when you win, still proves to be quite an expensive business. now talking of coutts bank, i'm going to be joined in a moment by a man who was ahead of me way ahead of me in describing what the banks were doing to honest , decent were doing to honest, decent people. he's the boss of tech round. he'll be here in a minute because apparently complaints about de—banking are going through the roof, which i think is a good thing. maybe the government and the fca will really start to listen . really start to listen. >> coming up on gbn tonight with me, mark dolan . should this me, mark dolan. should this weekend's pro—palestinian march on armistice day. go ahead . lee on armistice day. go ahead. lee anderson joins me live in the studio and he reacts to carol vorderman , sensational axing by vorderman, sensational axing by the bbc. plus, i asked tom bower if rishi sunak has already conceded the next election . and

conceded the next election. and would a labour government mean five years of chaos? join me for two hours of feisty debates . 9 two hours of feisty debates. 9 to 11 on

well. >> the front of today's daily telegraph business page. big big headunes telegraph business page. big big headlines telling us that complaints about being de—banking are going up and up and up and people aren't just taking it, lying down anymore. they're complaining . they're they're complaining. they're complaining to the ombudsman. they're writing subject access requests to their bank. they're making a bit of a noise about it and a very, very good thing too, because i think what i've done is to help lift the lid on a very major national scandal. i say help to lift the lid because david sopher, founder and editor of tech round, which is an onune of tech round, which is an

online magazine designed to help businesses deal with these problems , is you wrote a big problems, is you wrote a big piece in february this year before me about what was happening to businesses. >> we did. and we were contacted by a few people who actually they didn't specify even a particular bank. it was quite a widespread problem . i mean, our widespread problem. i mean, our piece quite prominently features tide, which is a challenger bank, but it wasn't limited to tide. it was limited to national banks, challenger banks. and it's something that i think has been snowballing quite lot and been snowballing quite a lot and affecting than i affecting more people than i think people thought it would affect, if that makes sense. >> one of the cases that you had was doing regular was a business doing regular business germany , but business with germany, but rather than having one month's invoice paid , there were two invoice paid, there were two months invoices paid and they thought this must be money laundering . all is money frozen . laundering. all is money frozen. >> have that and >> so people have that and there's brush terms there's these broad brush terms like laundering and, you like money laundering and, you know, know your know, there's kyc. know your customer of these customer, and a lot of these things are thrown around. and i think people scared by by think people get scared by by heanng think people get scared by by hearing it like, oh my gosh,

money laundering. actually money laundering. but actually it a small discrepancy in it can be a small discrepancy in a but unfortunately , the a system. but unfortunately, the business suffers because of maybe a flaw in a system or something that maybe, you know, fings something that maybe, you know, rings a bell within the bank. and think that that's part of and i think that that's part of the think are the reason i think people are falling this. and falling foul of this. and obviously there's cases obviously there's other cases and reasons. oh yeah. and other reasons. oh yeah. >> cash, for example, >> i mean, cash, for example, you know, businesses that operate, you know, fish stalls that because most that take cash because most people a tenner. you know, people give a tenner. you know, and found that either the and they found that either the branches closed and even if branches have closed and even if they're closed, they're they're not closed, they're reluctant money reluctant to take much money from are so many from them. there are so many reasons de—banking reasons political de—banking very clear in my case. what's interesting, david, is, you know, you're writing about this, following this, the whole time we've had very positive words from the government we have and words are always nice. >> yeah, but but really, i think i think having a bank account is almost i wouldn't go so far as to say a human right, but it's something that you need to function in society without a bank you can't. well bank account, you can't. well increasingly you can't do anything. places won't

anything. a lot of places won't even so you can't even accept cash. so you can't have cash under your have the cash under your mattress use that because, mattress and use that because, you know, a great proportion of places they even accept you know, a great proportion of placeswithout even accept you know, a great proportion of placeswithout a even accept you know, a great proportion of placeswithout a bank�*n accept you know, a great proportion of placeswithout a bank account, it. so without a bank account, you almost become, you know, you can't function within society . can't function within society. >> no. mean, should we be >> no. i mean, should we be pushing a campaign for it to be a basic right that an individual or a legitimately founded business have the right to a bank account? >> i would say yes. i would say absolutely, because cause like i said, you can't function without one. but i think what's quite interesting and i think what your case is in a positive way, really blown the lid off is now we've approached we've been approached by increasing people increasing numbers of people interested subject access interested in subject access requests. people are talking about the same kind of problem. and what that really and i think what that really talks actually, talks to, which is actually, i suppose, a positive thing, is a silver lining, you like , is silver lining, if you like, is that people have more access to more information than ever before. they see hold on before. so they see hold on a second. this happened to this before. so they see hold on a second orhis happened to this before. so they see hold on a second or to happened to this before. so they see hold on a second or to thispened to this before. so they see hold on a second or to this business. :his before. so they see hold on a second or to this business. this person or to this business. this now happened to me. i'm not an

isolated case. how do i find out more? and empower myself to challenge this? >> are finding we have to be >> are you finding we have to be careful slightly what we say, but are you finding some banks are being more positive than others ? others? >> no , no, no. i don't think >> no, no, no. i don't think it's this is the thing. i couldn't put my finger on. i wouldn't go and list the number of people from different banks who've contacted about different things. but i couldn't put my finger on it. and say there's a particular bank or to particular banks. it happens to. it's quite a widespread problem. and i say we initially was we you know, initially it was tide bank, then by no means tide bank, but then by no means the worst or the best or anything. i think it's happening through national banks, challenger banks, and for a business and for a business to get closed down, you know, limited company, you can be operating quite legitimate operating in quite legitimate way. >> e- @ flashes something >> the system flashes something up . how does it take now up. how long does it take now for business from scratch to for a business from scratch to open account? typically open a bank account? typically potentially ? potentially months? >> i know that when i opened my

first business bank account, it took probably about two months just to open the bank account. and even after you open it, they send more queries send you back more queries and they and they want more documents and more things. you think now more things. and you think now if you go a bank and you if you go to a bank and you wanted withdraw even cash, wanted to withdraw even cash, they make slightly more they make that slightly more difficult. why do difficult. they'll say, why do you it? but in essence, you need it? but in essence, it's money. if you it's your money. so if you wanted do anything that's wanted to do anything that's legal your money, you legal with your money, you should do it. should be allowed to do it. >> is, we've know >> problem is, we've got know your regulation. we've your customer regulation. we've got money laundering rules. but as as suggest as soon as you suggest deregulate everyone as soon as you suggest deregu their everyone as soon as you suggest deregu their hands veryone as soon as you suggest deregu their hands upyone as soon as you suggest deregu their hands up in1e as soon as you suggest deregu their hands up in horror throws their hands up in horror and it'll a and says, oh, it'll be a criminal charter. it's very difficult this stuff, difficult to change this stuff, isn't it? >> it's extremely difficult. but again , i think people are again, i think people are empowered now and this is a good thing more than ever. if people think they've been wronged, they can they find the can research, they can find the information i mean, information out there. i mean, we have information. other places have a ton of information. almost information. and almost ironically, platforms ironically, the same platforms be the engines, even that be the search engines, even that may de—platform people. the way their algorithms will often work is , is they want to provide is, is they want to provide people information . they people with information. they want people with

want to provide people with value and they want to give people essentially the answer to their solutions, means their solutions, which means that for that if you google search for something and you have a problem, de—banking subject access requests, you're likely to be able to build yourself quite a compelling case before you need to seek legal you even need to seek legal advice . advice. >> t- t— advice. >> you've been standing >> david, you've been standing up fighting for these people. i've little bit i've come along a little bit later, made a lot of noise later, made, made a lot of noise and but do want the government and but i do want the government to act on this. and i think the campaign of campaign for the basic right of labour should support this as well. the basic right for individuals and legitimate businesses to have a bank account. david, thanks for joining us on the program. now piece of very surprising news gb news is going back into europe. yes we are the rejoiner channel because have a look at this map. this is now where our satellite broadcasts do. we're broadcasting now across the whole of the european continent, andifs whole of the european continent, and it's free to view. and it's interesting that we're doing this because the other

broadcasters now don't broadcast across the continent. so we are and this proves the point. you see, as ardent brexiteers , we see, as ardent brexiteers, we were always pro europe . it was were always pro europe. it was just the european union and the ghastly people running it that we didn't like very much. and i think this is a piece of good news and the channel does, you know, continually we're growing online. our growth is phenomenal and we're making real, real progress. well, jacob rees—mogg, you never thought you'd hear me as a rejoiner, did you? >> well, the only thing i'm slightly surprised is that the graphic isn't in pink with expand . adding pink across the expand. adding pink across the map indicate the gb news empire is spreading and rees—mogg can't help himself with this stuff. >> really can't help himself >> he really can't help himself at are wearing at all. they are wearing a canadian poppy today. >> yes. i was in canada >> i am, yes. i was in canada last week at the end of last week, wasn't here on week, so i wasn't here on thursday and a canadian admired the british poppy . so i did the british poppy. so i did a swap and got a canadian swap and i've got a canadian one, rather. i think they're very smart. i think their

poppies than ours. poppies are better than ours. >> i. well of course, it >> so do i. well of course, it was canadian for indeed that was a canadian for indeed that wrote a poem just outside in flanders fields where poppies grow. the crosses line up row on row, and there isn't time for the rest of it because i'm afraid we're going to get to the weather. >> but i was just going to say, i've got a most brilliant guest on this evening. exciting. everyone want to hear him? he's known nigel farage. right known as nigel farage. right >> oh, dear. it looks like i'm staying tonight. staying on a bit later tonight. first, the weather. first, let's get the weather. >> evening. it's alex >> good evening. it's alex burkill again with your burkill here again with your latest news weather forecast. latest gb news weather forecast. whilst some clear whilst there will be some clear and spells through the and sunny spells through the next so, will also next day or so, there will also be of heavy and possibly be plenty of heavy and possibly thundery low thundery showers because low pressure across northern parts of dominating the of the uk is dominating the weather, leading to a breezy and showery for many of us as showery theme for many of us as we go through this evening and overnight showers across western parts of scotland and northern ireland will become more widespread. filtering across many england and wales. many areas of england and wales. some of these could be heavy, possibly even thundery, but there skies there will be some clear skies in especially across in between, especially across northeastern scotland.

northeastern parts of scotland. here, a touch of frost is quite likely even elsewhere, a bit likely and even elsewhere, a bit of a chilly start. first thing on morning through the on thursday morning through the day though, it is going day itself, though, it is going to showery picture to be a showery picture for many of the heaviest showers will of us, the heaviest showers will be in places towards the west, exposed winds . also exposed to the brisk winds. also some hefty showers towards the far well, likely far south—east as well, likely to be driest across eastern areas and across central and northern scotland, with some decent sunshine here. but temperatures little the low temperatures a little on the low side. around 8 or 9 side. highs around 8 or 9 celsius. milder further south with highs around 11 or 12. friday then gets off to a bit of a damp start across southern areas with some showery rain. but that clears away and then we end with a northerly wind. end up with a northerly wind. and that northerly wind, and in that northerly wind, we're going see the most we're going to see the most frequent across northern frequent showers across northern parts northern parts of scotland. northern ireland and fringing ireland and perhaps fringing into coasts into western and eastern coasts elsewhere, drier and elsewhere, staying drier and more weather to come as we more dry weather to come as we go the weekend before some go into the weekend before some wind rain later

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the way. >> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nafion jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation tonight , the commissioner nation tonight, the commissioner of the metropolitan police , sir of the metropolitan police, sir mark rowley, has announced that the palestine marches on armistice day do not meet the threshold required to ask for a ban in spite of the prime minister rishi sunak, saying it should not go ahead unless there is sufficient evidence of a risk to a serious breach of public order. there are, according to the commissioner , no powers to the commissioner, no powers to stop the protest . the stop the protest. the reparations debate reignites as lloyd's of london, the world's largest insurance marketplace, commits itself . to £50 million commits itself. to £50 million of reparations payments , of reparations payments, following a report into its historical slavery links. it was only a matter of time until the firm was accused of not paying enough power in the 21st century, britain has been usurped by institutions known only by their acronyms. the imf , only by their acronyms. the imf, oecd and perhaps worst of all, the obr. but a new report has suggested the obr was wrong .

suggested the obr was wrong. again. the good news