channel, britain's news channel. and a very , very good evening. and a very, very good evening. >> yes, it's 7:00. it's farage. but i am richard tice and another massive day in british politics because as there is like double trouble. yes the conservative party, conservative government not happy with the supreme court ruling that the rwanda scheme is unlawful . so as rwanda scheme is unlawful. so as we speak, there is huge marches completely out of control going on around parliament square, flares being fired and problems for the labour party because there is a big vote , a ceasefire there is a big vote, a ceasefire vote in the commons later that could give real trouble to keir starmer, possibly even resignations. we've got great guests, huge show. but first of all, it's the news with polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> richard, thank you. and good evening to you. well, the top

story tonight, the prime minister says he will introduce emergency legislation to deem rwanda safe country and rwanda a safe country and prevent any legal challenge in future. it comes after the supreme court this morning ruled the government's rwanda plan is unlawful . rishi sunak the government's rwanda plan is unlawful. rishi sunak has said he doesn't agree with the ruling, but that he respects it. mr sunak also saying the european court of human rights would still be able to intervene in any new treaty that's organised with kigali. but they won't be able to block flights to rwanda . he says he'll do all to rwanda. he says he'll do all he can to bring fundamental change to the country . change to the country. >> we are a reasonable government and this is a reasonable country, but the british people's patience can only be stretched so thin and they expect the boats to be stopped . that is why i made it stopped. that is why i made it one of my five priorities and whatever our critics might say , whatever our critics might say, we are making progress because the rwanda scheme is only one part of our strategy . last part of our strategy. last december, the number entering

the uk illegally in small boats had more than quadrupled in just two years. well tonight in the house of commons, it's going to be a busy evening. >> the labour leader's amendment to the king's speech debate calling for humanitarian pauses in the fighting in gaza will shortly be debated in the house of commons. just a few moments ago, shadow women and equalities minister qureshi minister yasmin qureshi resigned, would vote resigned, saying she would vote for an immediate ceasefire if pushed. let's take you live now to our political correspondent, katherine forster, who is standing by with more information. catherine, what's happening in the house of commons tonight .7 commons tonight? >> yes. so a real challenge to keir starmer's authority this evening. mps are currently voting on the labour amendment, which calls for humanitarian pauses but not a ceasefire. mps have been told that they must vote for that, but they must not vote for that, but they must not vote for that, but they must not vote for the next amendment. mps will be voting on shortly. that

is brought forward by the snp explicitly for a ceasefire. now there's many people within the labour party, including potentially a dozen or so shadow frontbenchers who desperately want to support calls for a ceasefire. and as we've just heard, yasmin qureshi has just resigned from her shadow front bench role. women and equalities minister, so that she can vote for a ceasefire . so i expect for a ceasefire. so i expect that she will be the first of several resignations and potential early sackings when the results come in. >> katherine forster, thanks very much. we will, of course, be following that closely here on gb news throughout the evening. and there'll be full analysis the programme coming evening. and there'll be full aniafter the programme coming evening. and there'll be full aniafter this1e programme coming evening. and there'll be full aniafter this bulletin.nme coming evening. and there'll be full aniafter this bulletin. now coming evening. and there'll be full aniafter this bulletin. now news|g up after this bulletin. now news here at home. 212 year old boys have been arrested on suspicion of of a 19 old after of murder of a 19 year old after he was stabbed to death in wolverhampton. 19 year old sean zahawi was attacked on the laburnum road area in on monday night. a number of police

vehicles and officers remain at the scene and west midlands police is telling us that two boys were arrested last night at their home addresses. they remain in custody . the remain in custody. the government says it's delivered on its pledge to halve inflation with price rises slowing down at the fastest rate in two years. the latest data shows inflation was 4.6% in october, down from 6.7% in september. a fall in energy costs and house prices has helped to reduce that figure, which is still above the bank of england's 2% target. it that's the news for now. this is gb news across the uk on tv , in gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . news channel. >> well , a very news channel. >> well, a very good evening to farage. and yes, i'm richard tyson. we've got a absolutely outstanding hour ahead. it's frankly hard to keep up with

what going on at the moment. what is going on at the moment. the three days have been the last three days have been huge in british huge seismic in british politics, but today . the supreme politics, but today. the supreme court ruled the rwanda scheme that the government had absolutely pinned all their hopes on all their hopes on the government, the supreme court ruled that no , it is unlawful . ruled that no, it is unlawful. and it's important to examine what they've actually said. and what they've actually said. and what i think are some serious contradictions . before we get to contradictions. before we get to our first guest, the supreme court, they've said that actually in the light of the evidence, which i have summarised the court of appeal concluded, there are such grounds to make it unlawful . grounds to make it unlawful. absolutely extraordinary. saying here that there are good grounds for thinking asylum seekers are going to be at risk in rwanda , going to be at risk in rwanda, that it going to be at risk in rwanda, thatitis going to be at risk in rwanda, that it is not a safe country. that's what the supreme court have ruled they were relying on unhcr evidence. that's the un refugee agency . sc well, you

refugee agency. sc well, you might think that's all very proper. we should trust them. no problem at all. the rwanda government immediately issued a stinging rebuke of this judgement. they said that the supreme court had relied on extreme and speculative concerns based on hypocritical criticisms by the unhcr, which has on numerous occasions expressed its appreciation version of rwanda's inclusive refugee policies, qualifying them as exemplary. what's going on here? we've got the supreme court saying the country is not safe for asylum seekers, and yet we've got rwandan government saying the unhcr says they've been exemplary . so that's the second exemplary. so that's the second bit. i have here. a 29 page report from the unhcr dated april 20th, 23. i've read it.

it's a little bit dry, but i have to tell you, there is no criticism whatsoever of the rwandan government in the way that they are dealing with over 100 odd thousand odd asylum seekers are you confused? i am . seekers are you confused? i am. who's telling the truth on this ? who's telling the truth on this? it's extraordinary. you might think it's an establishment stitch up for all of this . so stitch up for all of this. so there's the conflicting evidence. what does it all actually practically mean? well, this folks , is when i want you this folks, is when i want you to think of something you may well have at home. a magnet. yes. have you got a big magnet at home? what is a magnet? i tell you what it is. it's a powerful attack action. it attracts things as it attracts people. that's what a magnet does. so here we've got a ruling and there it is, a picture of a magnet flying above the white cliffs of dover . and guess what cliffs of dover. and guess what it's going to do ? i think it's it's going to do? i think it's going to pull more refugees, more illegal migrants across the

engush more illegal migrants across the english channel, because now they know that the government's big deterrent scheme, the rwanda scheme, it's in the bin, it's finished, gone . it's not exactly finished, gone. it's not exactly a deterrent now, is it? the second big pull factor, which has emerged and hasn't had proper, proper scrutiny , is that proper, proper scrutiny, is that if you're an asylum seeker and you've been here for a year , you've been here for a year, good news, folks. yes you can get a work permit , good news, folks. yes you can get a work permit, you can go to work. you might say there's a labour shortage. that might be a good thing. everybody's entitled to their opinion, but it's the magnet factor, it? it's magnet factor, isn't it? it's the we've got a home office the pull we've got a home office that doesn't believe in controlling and controlling our borders and we've got over 170,000 people waiting a decision . many of them waiting a decision. many of them have been waiting over two years. so if you come across the channel years. so if you come across the channel, there's no deterrent. you're not going to rwanda and there's every chance you'll be here for a year and therefore there you'll be able to work. yes, good news. you will pay a bit of tax if you've got a decent job, you're above the

threshold. but you see what i mean? it's the magnet factor. it's the pull factor. and that , it's the pull factor. and that, folks, is my big question to you. i want your views on this. of course, we will. this ruling, will it make . illegal migration will it make. illegal migration worse? email me farage. gbnews.com. or you can tweet us using the hashtag, i'm so sorry , using the hashtag, i'm so sorry, you must ipsis. we'll never get used to that. were we farage on gb news? well, i'm delighted to be joined in the studio by two great guests, alexander downer , great guests, alexander downer, former adviser to the uk government and a former foreign minister in australia. a very warm welcome to you, alexander and of course david maddox from the daily express, political editor and online. alexander i'm going to come to you first. have you ever seen in a government, in a developed nation, a g7 nafion in a developed nation, a g7 nation , such political chaos ? nation, such political chaos? >> well, i'm not sure i can easily measure different chaos

as in different governments . as in different governments. >> all governments do wrestle with chaos. and one of the things i would say is if the government changes here next yean government changes here next year, the new government will still, from time to time look a bit chaotic. so i think the issue here, though, is that the rwanda plan can work, but what the supreme court has has concluded. i mean, whether one agrees with the supreme court or not, that the rwandan officials who were assessing the refugee claims may not be proficient at doing it . doing it. >> so they've made their ruling, but where's the government gone wrong here to end up, frankly? so most folk at home in such a pickle , this is quite a detail, pickle, this is quite a detail, but the government has a memorandum of understanding with the rwandan government over how the rwandan government over how the rwandans themselves will deal with making an assessment of whether someone's a refugee or whether they're not.

>> so if they're not a refugee, they should be sent back to their home. but if somebody is has a genuine fear of persecution back in their home, you're supposed to accept them as a refugee. but it's not a great look, is it? >> alexander apparently we've paid and actually already sent a give or take £140 million of taxpayer cash to rwanda. the schemes now in the bin and the prime minister is going to try and re legislate . and if you're and re legislate. and if you're the president of rwanda, i'm pretty sure that you feel you've got a bit of negotiating leverage. >> i mean , well, you're going to >> i mean, well, you're going to ask for the chequebook to be reopened. >> if i were the president, president kagame is his name . if president kagame is his name. if i was president kagame , i'd be i was president kagame, i'd be pretty annoyed with the supreme court for sure. i wouldn't agree with the no judgement , which is with the no judgement, which is that the supreme court's judgement is that there are london officials may not be competent. that's in effect what it's saying . so i wouldn't be

it's saying. so i wouldn't be happy with that. on the other hand, i think there is an agreement to be made between the british government and the which is going to cost us more. >> frankly, i'm not sure about costing more. >> i think it's a small amendment may involve amendment that may involve british officials also working with the rwandan officials in making the assessments. and that may actually fix the problem. so i don't think it's a problem beyond repair. >> and what's your sort of thoughts about other european nafions thoughts about other european nations that are now looking at off shoring? you've got germany looking at it. you've got, i think france looking at it. you've got italy looking at it, denmark, denmark. they're all looking at this. so actually, in a sense, we've the way. a sense, we've led the way. we've been basically told we've now been basically told thanks , but no thanks by the thanks, but no thanks by the supreme court and other governments to lead the way. they may be looking to they may well be looking to rwanda. mean, rwanda could rwanda. i mean, rwanda could earn fortunes out of this. >> by the way, >> yeah, well, by the way, australia led the way. sorry, my country, often always do . country, as you often always do. >> well, we led the way in stopping the boats. well, we

sometimes do. >> sometimes don't, but >> and we sometimes don't, but we certainly and it we certainly did on this. and it has stopped the boats. it's been incredibly effective and we have been encouraging the british government to adopt this rwandan scheme. i mean , not necessarily scheme. i mean, not necessarily rwanda, but rwanda will do . and rwanda, but rwanda will do. and because what it will do is destroy the business model of the people smugglers of the organisation because you had an offshore processing in a in an island in nauru. >> that's right . island in nauru. >> that's right. but you also had a push back policy. so we've only like a third of it only done like a third of it because we haven't got the push back policy. >> to do a back policy >> hard to do a push back policy when don't have when you don't have international between the international waters between the uk . uk and france. >> got the answer to >> yeah, i've got the answer to that. >> e— e a problem, but it's >> that is a problem, but it's a legal and you have to legal problem and you have to and i've got the legal answer because read the treaties. because i've read the treaties. >> that's absolutely sure. but finally, the finally, alexander does the government make this i mean, do you think they can get through this in the next few months or do you think essentially this is now through into the next

now done through into the next general election? now done through into the next gerthe election? now done through into the next gerthe ele(for�*|? >> the risk for them? >> the risk for them? >> mean, they can make an >> i mean, they they can make an agreement the rwandans and agreement with the rwandans and they emergency they can put emergency legislation in through the parliament and they should be able quickly. able to do that quickly. however and will a whole lot of and there will be a whole lot of attempts subsequently to try to use the courts to overturn the policy yet again. so they'll have to be wary of that, if only i was a lawyer, i think how rich would all get if we were lawyers on this? >> alexander downer, thank you so much indeed forjoining me with thoughts and your with your thoughts and your experience. you know works? experience. you know what works? australia leading the australia once again leading the way sometimes way as regrettably sometimes they the cricket anyway, they do with the cricket anyway, thank alexander, for that. thank you, alexander, for that. i'm turn now to david i'm going to turn now to david maddox from the daily express, political editor online. david this is this is not for good the conservative government, is it, at all? i mean, it just looks chaotic. they've they've hung their hat on this for months and months and months. the prime minister didn't think he needed a plan b, he was told by suella braverman should a plan braverman he should have a plan b. right, isn't she? b. she's right, isn't she? >> she is. and that letter she

wrote him yesterday was wrote to him yesterday was absolutely devastating because it through step step it went through step by step what she told him, the agreement said and the you know, the said made and the you know, the duplicitousness allegedly of his relationship with her as as home secretary and now now they're at a point where it's failed . and, a point where it's failed. and, yes, they can bring in emergency legislation, but it will just stop, start the clock again and always court hearings. i mean, look how long it took us to get to this point. exactly. >> and i think that's the thing, isn't it? the lawyers will just be licking their lips huge sums of money once again, including lots of taxpayers money just just appealing and taking it all the way to the supreme court. i do. you think they could get this emergency legislation through the house of lords in time and, of course, this legislation wasn't in the king's speech, was it? no it wasn't. >> and of course, the lords would argue it wasn't in the manifesto either. and we

would argue it wasn't in the manifesto either . and we know manifesto either. and we know from previous attempts to get this sort of legislation through the lords fight tooth and nail. the unelected lords, undemocratic lords fight tooth and nail to stop it. there you know, they are in many ways for people, for people smugglers , people, for people smugglers, best friends. they are the people who upholding their. >> so the conservative government is in real trouble. what did you think? just almost finally of starmer's performance at pmqs today? he had so many open goals. did he score any i already scored a lot. >> i mean, partly because rishi sunak went back on the old chestnut of jeremy corbyn and it ain't working anymore because, you know , a good many of his mps you know, a good many of his mps are no longer cheering when he says it because they're so angry. i have to say that. starmer i thought , angry. i have to say that. starmer i thought, made a really important point. he he said sunak had promised to stop the boats by the end of the year. he clearly hasn't . he won't stop clearly hasn't. he won't stop the boats before the next election. and as sunak says, patience is wearing thin .

patience is wearing thin. >> but where is the pressure on starmer for his own policy to stop the boats, given that essentially he's voted against all of the government's policies on stopping the boats, where does that pressure grow? >> i think that becomes , as we >> i think that becomes, as we come nearer to an election . but come nearer to an election. but the problem the conservatives had, it's something you've had, and it's something you've often said is that they have singularly failed to deliver on this they've singularly this policy. they've singularly failed the boats. okay failed to stop the boats. okay it's 30% down. but that could have been bad weather. it could have been bad weather. it could have been, you know, all sorts of things, all sorts of things. it's going on. it's still going on. >> thank you >> absolutely. david thank you so indeed serious so much. indeed serious political trouble for the conservative government at the moment. so there we are after the break. i'm going to be talking to two different lawyers about the complications of the government trying to get this through. work? won't it ? through. will it work? won't it? who's going to do what? who's going adopt what position? going to adopt what position? don't anywhere. it's farage don't go anywhere. it's farage here . gb news earlier with

here on. gb news earlier with eamonn and isabel. >> how do you solve a problem like suella? >> suella braverman associating letter rip ing sunak apart. but we all know sunak is weak. we've all seen him equivocate. we've all seen him equivocate. we've all seen him make promises and turn his back on them. >> in the end, refugee wasn't a word that i chose. it was a word that was given to me. but for me just realised the people and the reasons behind those numbers . reasons behind those numbers. when you're making those decisions and this is a policy that has championed and that suella has championed and now all of a sudden she's saying covering all bases, throwing her toys out of pram like a little child, her letter was blaming rishi. >> have @ have a rishi. >> have a look at his >> let's have a look at his sporting lookalikes, if he can guess who this is. >> who? it is you. oh, there >> who? oh, it is you. oh, there he he is. he is. there he is. >> but that's not me. >> but that's not me. >> that's elvis. >> that's elvis. >> breakfast with eamonn and isabel monday to thursday from 6

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radio. >> welcome back to farage here on gb news. well, before the break, i asked you will this make illegal immigration even worse? it's almost the magnet factor. that was my question to you, barbara. she's absolutely furious. barbara says, of course, there will be more. it's outrageous . as gordon says, he outrageous. as gordon says, he says increase. there will be no stopping them now, no deterrent. and get a job. kids inmate out there we are. what does kate say? kate says we look like weak idiots and they know it. so there you are. pretty clear, no doubt about that from some of our listeners and viewers. well, i'm delighted now to explore the sort of the legal detail about this, because it's important the prime minister's made some serious pledges today. i'm joined by paul turner. immigration lawyer and richard bartram , a senior immigration bartram, a senior immigration solicitor . bartram, a senior immigration solicitor. i'm bartram, a senior immigration solicitor . i'm surrounded by solicitor. i'm surrounded by lawyers . i can't tease you lawyers. i can't tease you because you know so much. i'm going to come to you, paul, this

is really significant. were you surprised by the supreme court's ruling today? >> not at all. not at all. as night follows day, it was bound to happen. okay. >> the first division, the first decision was questionable . the decision was questionable. the court of appeal decision was predictable and today was pretty much inevitable. >> absolutely true. so you weren't surprised at all, richard, you actually are a solicitor. you've worked in the supreme you you still supreme court. you you still do work it. work around it. >> i do, indeed. >> i do, indeed. >> were you surprised it? >> were you surprised by it? >> were you surprised by it? >> at all. the issue >> well, not at all. the issue of third countries going on of third countries been going on since that's almost since 2004. that's almost 20 years. same mistakes are years. the same mistakes are made by the secretary of state 20 ago are being made 20 years ago as are being made now, as my colleague said, as night follows this night follows day, this was entirely a policy entirely predictable. a policy set up in 2020 september during lockdown by the cabinet committee , initially rejected by committee, initially rejected by the foreign office . this becomes the foreign office. this becomes law . law. >> so here we are. we've got to see our lawyers. they know their onions , as neither of them are onions, as neither of them are at all surprised by this ruling. and yet the prime minister

decided to ignore his home secretary's advice and not have a plan b for this. so he's now rushed out his his plan b , be rushed out his his plan b, be fascinated with your thoughts, richard, as to even if he gets this legislation through and that will obviously take some time to go through the parliamentary process, even when he does that. do you think that will therefore then be a appeal after appeal to the respective ? after appeal to the respective? >> i don't think there'll be appeal after appeal. as i understand it, the law is going to be changed in some way, which we don't yet know to diem, rwanda, safe country . well, rwanda, a safe country. well, parliament being sovereign can pass any law it likes. it can pass any law it likes. it can pass any law it likes. it can pass a law declaring foxes or chickens. just don't expect eggs in the morning. sure, it's not going to work. >> okay. but if it does deem that rwanda is a safe country, and if it gets that through, which take time, is which may take some time, is there ability for some of the there an ability for some of the human rights lawyers to challenge that judgement by parliament? >> the what the court said was

that they looked at the facts as well and made a factual assessment that it wasn't. and unless the facts on the ground in rwanda change the supreme court will come to the exact same decision. they will have no choice but to do so. if it's the new legislation is once again incompatible with other legal obugafions incompatible with other legal obligations , well, must have obligations, well, must have three legal obligations which are incompatible. that's the problem . problem. >> and so the prime minister, paul >> and so the prime minister, paul, talked about a reforming process as to the european convention on human rights. that's what he talked about, because he knows he's still basically at risk for the rulings from the echr. what does that mean ? and is that actually that mean? and is that actually practically possible ? practically possible? >> well, that's a in my view, a distraction. i mean, there are two things that come out of that reforming process for the echr will know that article 39 indications are essentially they're not mandatory. the uk government decides to go along with them. but more importantly , with them. but more importantly, banging on about the echr panders to the right wing of the

conservative party. but if one reads the decision of the supreme court, it's not the echr thatis supreme court, it's not the echr that is effectively prevented removal . it is the united removal. it is the united kingdom's obligations under the refugee convention and no one is suggesting for a moment that they're repealed or overlooked. and as to this emergency legislation, again, that might sound tremendous , gung ho, and sound tremendous, gung ho, and we're going to get something done, but they're going to have to look at not only the echr, but also the refugee convention and about three, at the very least, domestic statutes which incorporate the refugee convention. >> but in theory , as richard was >> but in theory, as richard was saying, parliament is sovereign. >> it can pass a law, it could pass a law. what i think suella braverman was called notwithstanding clause is notwithstanding clause is notwithstanding all of those points you've just referred to, if parliament was to pass that law , do you think that it could law, do you think that it could be challenged by other groups in the court of appeal all the way back up to the supreme court? and so the merry go round goes on? >> well, merry go round is not the right word because we've

gonein the right word because we've gone in a linear process as opposed to relitigating same opposed to relitigating the same my viewers will my listeners or viewers will call a merry go round. call this a merry go round. >> let me tell you. >> let me tell you. >> i'm sure they will. but in essence, as richard has indicated, parliament could legislate first born legislate that the first born children wonder if children are killed. i wonder if the uk courts would endorse that or would it to happen. the or would allow it to happen. the fact the is i think fact of the matter is i think i looked at what the prime minister said and it was essentially were going essentially that they were going to pass a law that said rwanda was can say the tide was safe. they can say the tide is going to come in, but if is not going to come in, but if it in, they're still going it comes in, they're still going to feet wet. so what to get their feet wet. so what you're actually and this you're actually saying and this is important, everyone, is really important, everyone, what of you what i think both of you are saying is that even if the prime minister gets this legislation through timeframe , through in a rapid timeframe, it's to be challenged. >> that's the bottom line is unless the situation in rwanda changes dramatically , you would changes dramatically, you would agree with that? >> , but i think we also need >> yes, but i think we also need to consider the wise . we might to consider the wise. we might have an opinion that the refugee system should be reformed. there are a number of opinions and other possible parties. but to spend hundreds of millions of

pounds remove 200, perhaps pounds to remove 200, perhaps people when there are some 45,000 arrival last year . i'm 45,000 arrival last year. i'm not a betting man, but that's a fraction of a percent. that's no deterrent . that doesn't bust the deterrent. that doesn't bust the smugglers to traffickers. >> business model nail on the head, richard. it was never a deterrent. >> but if i was a i'm not a smuggler, if i was a smuggler, it wouldn't dent my business model. and that's what the that's the evil that we're trying to prevent here. okay. >> you've said if you >> and so you've said if you were smuggler, paul, putting were a smuggler, paul, putting words if you were words in your mouth, if you were a migrant come across a migrant looking to come across the channel, would that be a deterrent to you given deterrent to you if given everything you've known, everything that you've known, would deterrent or everything that you've known, would you deterrent or everything that you've known, would you still deterrent or everything that you've known, would you still need rrent or everything that you've known, would you still need to nt or everything that you've known, would you still need to come out of my mouth? >> they have actually. i think i read somewhere that people actually interviewed and actually interviewed people and told and told them about this policy and said, going you said, is that going to stop you coming? and their answer was no. and it's richard touched and it's i think richard touched upon studies have been upon this. no studies have been carried out as whether this carried out as to whether this is to work. it may work in is going to work. it may work in the minds of certain people, but there's evidence, there's no evidence, no one's actually is going actually thought, is this going to work? could speak the

to work? they could speak to the migrants, haven't, migrants, but they haven't, actually. migrants, but they haven't, act|gentlemen, been >> gentlemen, you've been fantastic. richard, fantastic. paul and richard, thank you so much. >> for having us. >> thank you for having us. we've got an extraordinary thing. >> we've actually got a consensus among lawyers that consensus among two lawyers that basically isn't going basically plea this isn't going to work. it's not going to stop. basically plea this isn't going to vnot. it's not going to stop. basically plea this isn't going to vnot going ot going to stop. basically plea this isn't going to vnot going to going to stop. it's not going to be a deterrent. it and the truth is it's going to be challenged. coming up, we're going speak coming up, we're going to speak to christys. but first, to patrick christys. but first, we're to polly we're going to go back to polly middlehurst some middlehurst with some interesting, . news interesting, important. news >> we hear . interesting, important. news >> we hear. yes, we do indeed have some important news coming to you from the commons this evening. there were two important votes taking place this evening concerning events in gaza. sir keir starmer indeed facing a labour rebellion as mps decided that they may defy the party line on gaza. sir keir said there should have been longer pauses in the fighting to allow humanitarian aid in that was voted upon to 90 to 183, with a majority of 107 to reject labour's king's speech amendment

.then labour's king's speech amendment . then of course the snp had tabled that amendment on the king's speech, demanding a complete ceasefire. we've seen as well the crowds outside westminster supporting that action. labour mps were ordered to abstain . there was a three to abstain. there was a three line whip on this. to abstain. there was a three line whip on this . that's line whip on this. that's a strictest instruction that a leader of a political party can give to his members if the labour members didn't abstain , labour members didn't abstain, they risked losing their place in the shadow cabinet. they could either resign or get sacked. so what's happened? let's just tell you. well, now there has been a vote on what should happen in gaza. should there be a ceasefire or not? yes, say 125. no, say 293 with a majority of 168. let's cross live to our political correspondent, katherine forster, who can give us some analysis on that. our apologies, catherine is just gathering some information for us and we'll be able to cross to her later. let's get some analysis on those events in the house of commons

now, as i hand you back to richard tice. >> thank you so much to analyse these important votes, the impact of them on the labour party, labour later on, but so much to do. >> coming up after the break, we're going to be speaking to our presenter, gb news. presenter patrick christys . he presenter patrick christys. he was verbally abused this evening. all he was doing was just filming a nice protest. more of that in just

news radio. >> well, welcome back to farage on another extraordinary day in british politics. first of all, before we go to patrick, we're just going to look at some of the comments from the protesters that ray addison , our reporter, that ray addison, our reporter, spoke to down at the demonstration, because is demonstration, because this is significant . let's take a significant. let's just take a listen. vote for a ceasefire. >> more than the ceasefire they need to solve the problem and

solve problem. need to solve the problem and sobwas problem. need to solve the problem and sobwas startedem. need to solve the problem and sobwas started 75 years ago when >> was started 75 years ago when israel was founded. >> what's your view on hamas? are you pro hamas? i'm not going to talk about hamas. >> people have got a right to resist what are you calling on mps to do? >> absolute ceasefire immediately. >> yeah, there's nothing else that be in my mind. that can be done in my mind. >> what's your hamas as. >> what's your view on hamas as. i don't condone the killing. >> i don't condone the violence on either side. i think they're a group that has been forced to commit atrocities and that's what they are atrocities. but they've been suffering abominations for years and years and years , decades before i was and years, decades before i was born, long before i was born. >> are you calling for violence to stop on both sides from hamas and from israel? yes ideally, yes. >> but we believe most people here we believe that israel is causing most violence . that's causing most violence. that's not to say that hamas is not causing any the side to say israelis are say israelis are .

israelis are say israelis are. >> why are you blocking this vehicle ? why are you blocking vehicle? why are you blocking this vehicle ? why are you this vehicle? why are you blocking this vehicle ? is the blocking this vehicle? is the israel why are you blocking this vehicle? don't touch me. israel is israel is a terrorist. >> you don't believe that kidnapped children deserve to be returned home to their families . returned home to their families. do you condemn israel ? do you condemn israel? >> do you believe kidnapped people should be returned to their families? >> you condemn israel? >> do you condemn israel? >> do you condemn israel? >> ladies and gentlemen , if you >> ladies and gentlemen, if you think that is bad, that is nothing to what you're about to hear from our own patrick, who i'm very glad to say has made it safely just just back to the studio, patrick, where have you been? what's gone on? >> well, i was outside parliament earlier on. i wanted to go and have a look at these demonstrations that were taking place. and what happened. will shock we're going to play shock you. we're going to play a full coverage of this for full set of coverage of this for anyone who thinks there's anyone who thinks that there's just minority of people just a fringe minority of people who attend these protests who are up to no good or who have

extreme views, who radical, extreme views, who are radical, who are full of hate, who actually are full of hate, then you're going see then what you're going to see later show between 9 and later on my show between 9 and 11 tonight completely 11 pm. tonight will completely blow off that. think blow the lid off that. i think i might have little taster for might have a little taster for you just some of the things you of just some of the things that took place earlier on. i just want to know why you're here today . here today. >> she's go away. go away. >> she's gone. go away. go away. >> she's gone. go away. go away. >> you're wanted. go away. >> you're not wanted. go away. i'll tell you. not wanted. you are. i'll see. one said get are. i'll see. no one said get away here. want to away from here. i just want to get from here. no, away. get away from here. no, go away. you're fascist you're not you're fascist scum. you're not wanted. want to know your wanted. i just want to know your views, that's all. oh, mate, why are you here today? >> sorry. why you here today? what do you think? talk >> what do you think? don't talk to them. >> don't talk to do you >> don't talk to them. do you think this is like normal behaviour in a democracy where they talk to these people all? >> don't you believe in the >> why don't you believe in the freedom movement? >> of speech . >> oh, freedom of speech. de—man. oh what a gb news oh three gb news yeah . three gb news yeah. >> and so the reality is there's a lot more of that. by the way, i was very lucky. i had a security guard with me.

>> you had a security guard to go on a supposedly ceasefire march. really how peaceful is that march? >> i am under absolutely no illusions whatsoever that if he hadnt illusions whatsoever that if he hadn't have been there, there would have been quite a lot of violence directed towards me and my very grateful my cameraman. i'm very grateful for individual being there. for that individual being there. but you're going have to tune but you're going to have to tune in more of that. this is in for more of that. but this is not normal what's taking place on the streets. >> this is not normal. this is not peaceful. how can these people claiming they want people be claiming they want peace? they want a ceasefire when a journalist is being essentially attacked, abused ? essentially attacked, abused? you've just heard some of it there. do tune in at 9:00 to get the full monty. i mean, patrick, this is not only is this not normal, i actually think it's disgraceful. i've been warning about this , frankly, since the about this, frankly, since the first week after the atrocity . first week after the atrocity. i've been proven right time after time after time. i've been abused by all the free speech. a lot of which i'm a supporter of free speech. but this is not free speech. but this is not free speech. but this is not free speech. this is violent. this is hateful.

>> patrick racist chanting caught on camera. okay all sorts of horrible stuff being caught on camera. the overbearing threat of physical assault and the police told us to get out of there. >> the police told you to get out of there, patrick. it's going to be an extra ordinary show for you later. thank heavens you're safe. thanks very much watch patrick at much indeed. do watch patrick at 9:00, but now going 9:00, folks. but now i'm going to line to my next to go down the line to my next guest. alan pincus is an israeli diplomat and writer for his thoughts on what he's sort of seeing there. and then just also want to talk a little bit about the israeli rwanda deal. but alan, thank you for joining the israeli rwanda deal. but alan, thank you forjoining me alan, thank you for joining me on gb news. you've just heard patrick christie there. you've seen the marches seen the scenes at the marches over recent weeks, culminating on armistice day protests . on the armistice day protests. what are your thoughts as a very experienced diplomat ? you've experienced diplomat? you've been around the block a few times . what are your thoughts on this? >> well, it's disturbing. you know , it's discomforting and know, it's discomforting and it's i have to admit, it's

disappointing because you would expect people to have some kind of a core basic knowledge of the conflict or basic knowledge of history , core basic knowledge of history, core basic knowledge of what is who the protagonists are and what hamas stands for. now, you take these demonstrators that you just showed in central london, well, next to parliament, and you list to them what hamas stands for. i doubt any of them would subscribe to anything. and you know, the criticism of israel is legitimate and calling for a ceasefire is legitimate and accusing israel of occupation is legitim . but, um, but but some legitim. but, um, but but some of what they're saying is, is ignorant of the highest. but but but deepest level in my view, there's no excuse for ignorance . there's no excuse for ignorance. >> and what we're seeing and

heanng >> and what we're seeing and hearing there. and it was the same on last saturday day. is that a signal nificant percentage of these people on these demonstrations will not condemn hamas, which is a terrorist organisation ? terrorist organisation? >> no, it imagine imagine and i'm not i'm not drawing a comparison whatsoever here. but imagine these demonstrations in support of isis. imagine such demonstrations , say, in israel, demonstrations, say, in israel, in support of the ira. demonstrations, say, in israel, in support of the ira . and in support of the ira. and again, i'm not drawing any analogies. i'm just saying that if they knew if they bothered to look at what hamas stands for, abuse , intolerance, anti gay, abuse, intolerance, anti gay, anti women and what have you , anti women and what have you, theocracy, fascism , violence , theocracy, fascism, violence, theyif theocracy, fascism, violence, they if they absolutely should do the work. >> but the truth is, i think actually many of them know. but i'm afraid i think it's much

deepen i'm afraid i think it's much deeper. i think it's much more concerning . just finally, alan, concerning. just finally, alan, the we've obviously had the ruling which has rejected the government's rwanda plans for their deal today. israel had a deal with rwanda about ten years ago, which started with good intentions, didn't end very well. what's what's what was your thoughts on that ? your thoughts on that? >> well, the idea that you can deport by consent a large number of people is problematic because you know, they're always going to be criticised isms that that you're deporting people to a faraway country . they don't faraway country. they don't blend in with the indigenous or ethnic groups in that country. you know , expelling people well you know, expelling people well or deporting them from israel to rwanda is just the same as asking britain to accept 350 oh oh just an arbitrary number of residents of gaza. and to, you know, to place them in

birmingham and london or in manchester. i mean, they it doesn't work. it just doesn't look , i agree. look, i agree. >> i didn't think it was ever going to be a deterrent factor. it's about plans. but this prime minister here decided to make it plan a without any other plan b, minister here decided to make it pl d a without any other plan b, minister here decided to make it pl d or without any other plan b, minister here decided to make it pl d or e, thout any other plan b, minister here decided to make it pl d or e, and: any other plan b, minister here decided to make it pl d or e, and thankither plan b, minister here decided to make it pl d or e, and thank you plan b, minister here decided to make it pl d or e, and thank you soan b, c, d or e, and thank you so much. indeed alan pincus, for your thoughts there on those events , those scenes and i'm events, those scenes and i'm delighted now to be joined by my next guest. i mean, this is this is full on and it's important to understand what is going on and what's gone on, what it's like. for example, in rwanda. i personally haven't been. but my next guest and jan sundaram, thank you for being with us on farage. you're a freelance journalist. you've lived in rwanda and therefore, you know what it's like as a country. it's had a precedent in place for, i think, 23 years now. it's got high growth. the un in april 23rd, they wrote a report saying that actually it was making great progress . what are your

great progress. what are your thoughts? do you agree with the judges in the uk's supreme court that actually rwanda is unsafe ? that actually rwanda is unsafe? >> yeah. thank you for having me. and absolutely, i think the supreme court ruling was spot on in that, you nobody can guarantee the fate and the future of these refugees once they've been transport to rwanda and their security and their safety should be paramount in any plan to resettle or protect them or grant them asylum. and them or grant them asylum. and the rwandan government being a dictatorship , cannot cannot dictatorship, cannot cannot ensure that . and so the supreme ensure that. and so the supreme court was right to block the deal between the uk government and rwanda . and rwanda. >> so and the plan from the government, their new plan, their plan b to have legislation to declare that rwanda is safe . to declare that rwanda is safe. you don't think that's going to fly either ? fly either? >> no. i mean , i published a >> no. i mean, i published a book called bad news last journalists in a dictatorship.

and when i published that book in the uk , in the us, i had in the uk, in the us, i had scotland yard call me up and put me on their counter—terror tourism hotline. they gave me a number and said i just had to dial the number and they would come and get me because they know rwandan know exactly how the rwandan government operates and i think i think needs to be i think it needs to be clear that this is the kind of government that you're dealing with in the rwandan government. they don't hold back whether they're inside rwanda or outside rwanda, and going after their critics and dissidents. um and, you know, there is no free press in rwanda. there's no way in which to ensure that any abuses of to the rights of these, you know , asylum seekers or migrants know, asylum seekers or migrants will be respected . will be respected. >> that's fascinating. and john, thank you so much. indeed. you've got real living experience in rwanda and that is significant information. thank you very much for joining us significant information. thank you very much forjoining us on you very much for joining us on farage. on gb news. well, there you have lots of extra

information . and john, they're information. and john, they're saying that actually rwanda is not safe. the prime minister's new plan to have legislation to declare it safe will therefore almost certainly be challenged. as my earlier guest, almost certainly be challenged. as my earlier guest , the as my earlier guest, the lawyers, richard and patrick, richard and paul were just saying . so this is going to run saying. so this is going to run and run, folks don't think this is over. it is not time for a little bit of a breather and a little bit of a breather and a little bit of more light hearted information. what the farage goodness me, nigel would be fuming. yes. not only him, not only me. have been debunked. many thousands of others charities are being debunked as well. unbelievable the charity commission is saying it's not right that a number of high street banks, including barclays and various others, are de—banking charities. if and various others, are de—banking charities . if they de—banking charities. if they don't provide the right information, one charity had its account frozen after a bedbound bound trustee suffering with cancer was unable to sign a document despite having the signature of dozens of other

trustees . i just want a bit of trustees. i just want a bit of common sense within this unbelievable bill. that's that. now of course nigel's away. i'm of celebrity. we've got a little a little clip for you here, a little video package. just take a look at this. i'm nigel farage and i'm known, of course, for politic for brexit. >> and i'm a hero to some people and an absolute villain to millions. i mean, i think that my more traditional supporters will say, well, why the hell is he doing it? imagine eagle, you're going the you're going to find the real me. knows? might like me me. who knows? you might like me more, might dislike me more, more, you might dislike me more, but at least find out. but you will at least find out. i'm meeting i'm looking forward to meeting people walks of people from different walks of life that dynamic between life and that dynamic between that number of people so tightly grouped for so long. i'm sure a few tensions are going to emerge. there'll be arguments in there, there'll be disagreements in there. the best way to deal with conflict is to tackle it head on, because if we don't do that, going to simmer. and that, it's going to simmer. and that, it's going to simmer. and that be good. that wouldn't be good. >> there you have it. we're just

teasing. what's going to happen. apparently, he's already done his first single nificant event . his first single nificant event. and apparently it's really, really huge not to be missed. i think it's on sunday evening, the first show there was anyway , the first show there was anyway, we're going to go to our next break. and then coming after that, we're going to be talking with peter edwards, sorry, on the inflation figures that were out this morning and also the trouble for the labour party, these votes in the house of commons don't go anywhere.

farage well, it's all happening as we speak here on farage. yes, i'm delighted to be joined in the studio by peter edwards, former editor of labourlist . look at editor of labourlist. look at these votes that have been happening in the house of commons whilst we've been on air. we know that the labour amendment on this on the king's

speech was defeated . the snp speech was defeated. the snp amendment has also just been defeated. but peter, what's going on? we've got a lot of labour mps voted in favour. it appears of the snp amendment and also a number of resignations starting what? >> yeah, so we're still piecing together what happened. so two opposition amendments, one from the unsuccessful and one the snp, unsuccessful and one from labour, also unsuccessful . from labour, also unsuccessful. well, we've had three confirmed resignations from labour frontbenchers, that's not the frontbenchers, so that's not the shadow cabinet, that's folk who are junior on the are slightly more junior on the shadow ranking . shadow ministerial ranking. that's yasmin qureshi, afzal khan and paula barker. there may be one more. we're just checking on that . and we expect the on that. and then we expect the labour so that's all labour rebellion. so that's all labour rebellion. so that's all labour mps, whether they're frontbench be frontbench or backbench, to be around 50 mps. and the way it works is obviously some declared in the chamber, some on twitter, but it will take an hour or two until we the full breakdown. until we get the full breakdown. >> you've got a conservative >> so you've got a conservative government trouble >> so you've got a conservative govethe ent trouble >> so you've got a conservative govethe supreme trouble >> so you've got a conservative govethe supreme tr0|but with the supreme court, but you've labour you've got the labour leadership. they're in trouble with their supporters. how how, how this bubble up for

how big could this bubble up for keir starmer ? how much trouble keir starmer? how much trouble could this grow into? and what's his way out of it? >> well, first, we've got to keep it all in perspective. i think every mp any think every mp of any perspective their is perspective, their concern is about the bloodshed in the middle east both sides and middle east on both sides and what happens in westminster is important. are losing important. but people are losing their israel and in their lives in israel and in palestine. starmer palestine. but keir starmer is our be prime our candidate to be prime minister, it's understandable minister, so it's understandable that want to challenge that people want to challenge him. he's done the right him. i think he's done the right thing by tough by thing by however tough by setting what believes in, setting out what he believes in, explaining i explaining very clearly why i think be think there shouldn't be a ceasefire. example, hamas ceasefire. for example, hamas still hostages, which is still holding hostages, which is incredibly gave incredibly cruel. but he gave the chatham house speech two weeks ago, some labour, one labour amendment, but that hasn't satisfied those within his within his party. >> my question is, is this just just the beginning or will essentially this be it? well i think we'll know very soon. >> it's a defined moment. and i think we saw even in opposition, which seems strange because you can't pass any laws. but for ed miliband , the syria vote several miliband, the syria vote several years ago was a defining moment as well. and miliband never

as well. and ed miliband never became minister. keir became prime minister. keir starmer lead in the starmer has got this lead in the polls depending on polls and he knows, depending on how he be how things work, he could be prime minister than 12 prime minister in fewer than 12 months. so he had to set a clear moral direction, which which he's to do, essentially. >> it really is >> so i mean, it really is a it's about courage and leadership for him, isn't it? yeah. >> and i do understand i think all parliamentarians are acting according to their conscience and in a different and some end up in a different place. sensitive place. and he'll be sensitive about but it it's his key about that. but it it's his key moment so far in his leadership, it seems to me, absolutely critical now . critical now. >> peter, thank you so much indeed. peter edwards from laboun indeed. peter edwards from labour, former editor of labourlist. are heading labourlist. we are heading unbelievable. we? unbelievable. yes. where are we? we're rees—mogg. we're going to jacob rees—mogg. he's the studio. he's in he's not in the studio. he's in a taxi. jacob evening. a taxi. jacob good evening. what's going on? >> hello? i can hear you. yes i'm heading towards the studio . i'm heading towards the studio. we've been voting in the house of commons, i think 56 labour mps voted against the labour whip and for the snp amendment. so it's been exciting business in the commons today. but the government's motion on the

king's speech went through unopposed. jacob hasten, hasten quickly, jacob to get into the studio . i'm going as quickly as studio. i'm going as quickly as i can to the we'll get a monologue for you . good evening. monologue for you. good evening. >> alex burkill here again with your latest gb news weather update. there may be a touch of frost and some fog around as we go overnight, but then heavy rain and strong winds expected in the south as we go through tomorrow association with tomorrow in association with a low that's low pressure system that's currently the southwest of currently to the southwest of the uk, making its way in as we go through the next 12 hours or so, as we go overnight. but we are going to on to the are going to hold on to the largely cloudy skies across some northern though clearer northern parts, though clearer skies north of skies towards the far north of scotland, allowing for some frost elsewhere, few frost here. elsewhere, a few pockets and fog, perhaps pockets of mist and fog, perhaps before the wet and windy weather i mentioned pushes i mentioned earlier, pushes in across the and across parts of the south and southwest . this will actually southwest. this will actually lift temperatures here. so a lift temperatures here. and so a milder start for some in the south, but also a wet and windy one, a wet and windy morning for many well rain many here, as well as that rain pushes its way through, likely to be some disruption,

particularly on roads particularly on the roads through rush hour. particularly on the roads thr0|then rush hour. particularly on the roads thr0|then the rush hour. particularly on the roads thr0|then the heaviestush hour. particularly on the roads thr0|then the heaviest rain 1our. particularly on the roads thr0|then the heaviest rain and and then the heaviest rain and strongest winds do clear away towards through the towards the east through the afternoon. but further showery outbreaks in behind outbreaks following in behind the best of the sunshine, likely to across parts of scotland. to be across parts of scotland. temperatures many down temperatures for many down a degree or two compared to today as we go into friday and watch out for a bit of mist and fog and perhaps some frost first thing in some places. but otherwise looking like otherwise it's looking like a largely day. a few showers largely fine day. a few showers to for, but most to watch out for, but most places staying dry plenty of places staying dry and plenty of sunshine before wet and sunshine before some wet and windy weather returns from the west go into saturday. so west as we go into saturday. so the weekend does look like it will be much more unsettled than through rain and through friday. heavy rain and strong winds, especially in the west

tower. >> i've been identifying as nigel and now i'm still the same

genden nigel and now i'm still the same gender. you'll be pleased to know, but i'm identifying as jacob. i guess at some point this evening i'll re—identify as myself. but jacob is in a taxi. he's been voting in the house of commons. he is racing here as quickly as the traffic and the protesters will allow him. we've got a full on show. he will be here shortly. i absolutely promise you we'll be continuing, obviously, coverage today's obviously, a coverage of today's news supreme court's news about the supreme court's ruling about the rwanda policy . ruling about the rwanda policy. it's a no from the judges. ruling about the rwanda policy. it's a no from the judges . and it's a no from the judges. and of course, we're very interested to take a serious look at the new home secretary, mrjames, cleverly, what actually is his record on immigration, be it lawful or unlawful, can he be trusted? hopefully when jacob arrives, he'll also give you his takes on the developments with regard to the prime minister's plan . is it enough to stop the plan. is it enough to stop the boats ? you heard me talking boats? you heard me talking earlier about the lawyers. they don't think it's going to fly at all. also so it's not just the conservative government that's found itself hot, hot spots. found itself in hot, hot spots. the party in a little