the whole two throughout out the whole two hours. first hour, hours. now, in the first hour, we've a look protests we've got a look at the protests last night in parliament square. the impact of that , what's the impact of that, what's really on, patrick really going on, patrick christie, he'll be on a bit later with me. he's been getting himself into even more trouble today. himself into even more trouble today . we've got a look at the today. we've got a look at the labour turmoil , more labour turmoil, more resignations. what's the impact .7 resignations. what's the impact? what's the real influence on keir starmer? will he hold or will he bottle it? and of course , we've got the first exclusive pictures of nigel. yes, he is down under i'm a celebrity pictures all of that. so much more. but first, it's the news with ray addison . with ray addison. >> good evening. i'm ray addison in the newsroom . our top in the newsroom. our top stories. the chancellor says the government can't guarantee rwanda deportation flights will begin next year. that's despite the prime minister saying he was aiming for the spring. downing street says emergency legislation will be produced in

the coming weeks after the supreme court ruled that it was unlawful . jeremy hunt says the unlawful. jeremy hunt says the government is doing all it can to stop the boats, but we are hopeful that because of the solution options that the prime minister announced yesterday, we will be able to get flights off to rwanda next year. >> we can't guarantee that we have to pass legislation, emergency legislation in the house of commons. we have to sign a new international treaty with rwanda. but our commitment to the british people is that although the supreme court ruling was a setback , we will ruling was a setback, we will not allow anything to get in the way of delivering the prime minister's pledge to secure our borders by stopping the boats. lord cameron has made a surprise visit to ukraine on day two of his first overseas trip as foreign secretary travelled to the black sea port of odesa >> whilst there, he announced more support , including more support, including providing essential winter suppues providing essential winter supplies for people evacuated from frontline areas . well,

from frontline areas. well, downing street has confirmed that civil servants will now need to spend more time in the office. they're required to come in to work for a quote , bare in to work for a quote, bare minimum of three days a week. meanwhile more senior managers will have to be in the office for longer. it follows campaigning from former business secretary jacob rees—mogg up to 10 million appointments could be freed under new government plans . the new health secretary says that pharmacies will be given more powers to help people directly. it's part of an nhs proposal to cut waiting lists from next month . millions of from next month. millions of women in england will be able to access free contraception without having to see a gp. the chancellor says benefit claimants who don't seek employment despite being fit to work, will lose access to free prescriptions and legal aid. jeremy hunt says the measures are necessary to prevent, quote , are necessary to prevent, quote, anyone choosing to coast on the hard work of tax payers. the

government crackdown will also see digital tools used to track attendance at job fairs and interviews. however campaigners have described the sanctions as deeply worrying and warned that they could worsen mental illness . the scottish health secretary has apologised for incurring an £11,000 data bill whilst using anipad £11,000 data bill whilst using an ipad abroad. michael matheson ran up huge roaming charges while on holiday in morocco last yeah while on holiday in morocco last year. the falkirk west msp told parliament his sons used his ipad to watch football and admitted that mistakes were made. however, he says he'll pay the money back . this is gb news the money back. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now let's get back to richard . richard. >> thank you, ray . well, welcome >> thank you, ray. well, welcome everybody to this two hour farage special and we have got

so much to get through and absolute extravaganza for you. first up, though , i want to take first up, though, i want to take you back. can you remember back to your school days? do you remember that that naughty child at the back of the classroom just sort of niggling away and the teacher lets him get away with it and then he niggles a bit more and then he starts to muck about and then he's annoying in the in the corridors as and he's always allowed to get with it. and so that get away with it. and so that embolden him. then sure embolden him. and then sure enough, he starts to nick the old pen and then he gets away with a little bit of shoplifting and the shop around the corner and the shop around the corner and goes on. of and so it goes on. all of a sudden he's shoplifting. then he started deal cigarettes started to deal in cigarettes and and being a right and drugs and being a right pain, frankly , at school, all pain, frankly, at school, all because there was not a policy of zero tolerance. the teachers let him get away with it. you see where i'm going with this now apply that to what we've seen since october the 7th with the marches in the very 1st march. well, the very first

demonstration on october the 9th, i was there . you had the 9th, i was there. you had the placards, you had a little bit of noise and the flags. i spoke to some of them. they weren't very keen on condemning hamas. and all of a sudden, because they were allowed to get away with it then and so it grows. they felt emboldened. we saw more placards , ads, and then we more placards, ads, and then we came with the chanting, the vile , anti—semitic chanting from the river to the sea . no one did river to the sea. no one did anything. i said, we've got to stop this. but no, no, the police said, it's fine . well, police said, it's fine. well, it's turned out not to be fine , it's turned out not to be fine, has it? because they felt emboldened . and so they went on. emboldened. and so they went on. the placards got worse , the the placards got worse, the chants got worse , the attacks chants got worse, the attacks got worse. the abuse got worse. you see where this is going ? if you see where this is going? if you don't stamp on it minute, one day, one. this is where we're at. patrick christys last night it was he was literally almost attacked it. thank heavens he had a security guard.

he's been at it again today. it ended last night with the police rushing to protect the cenotaph that was exposed . and so these that was exposed. and so these protesters , as i'm going to call protesters, as i'm going to call them, as they are, the pro—hamas supporters , as they climbed supporters, as they climbed other war memorial walls instead , you see where all this is going on. now, a few weeks ago , going on. now, a few weeks ago, sir nigel asked an extra ordinary question. he said , is ordinary question. he said, is it possible we could see a religious war here in the united kingdom? just listen to this . kingdom? just listen to this. just wonder and maybe it is a very strong thought, but i just wonder, are we heading towards some form of religious war? >> give me your thoughts . >> give me your thoughts. >> give me your thoughts. >> how depressing. i mean, that felt such a extraordinary question for any of us to ask here in the uk. but question for any of us to ask here in the uk . but i have to

here in the uk. but i have to say things are looking really bad . and today , because they've bad. and today, because they've been emboldened , these people been emboldened, these people guess what's happening? it's not enough. with the placards , the enough. with the placards, the chants, no. now they're after the children . yes, children . the children. yes, children. school children in east london are being taken out of class. they're being given the afternoon off so that they can 90, 9° ' afternoon off so that they can 9°, 9° ' 9° afternoon off so that they can go, go , go and demonstrate . go, go, go and demonstrate. pro—hamas support here. just take a look and listen to this . take a look and listen to this. this did it right to do this thing . to the palestine . movement. >> and palestine free, free palestine . is committing itself . palestine. is committing itself. come and go . recipes

come and go. recipes have you got . you to be free to got. you to be free to see palestine will be free, free, free palestine . free, free free palestine. free, free palestine . did gusting. palestine. did gusting. >> that's what it is disgusting. the reason we had to blur that out was because they were all children . children being used to children. children being used to chant anti—semitic songs like that. i mean, it's unbelievable . that. i mean, it's unbelievable. what in god's name is going on? how are we allowed this? i'll tell you how we've allowed it because we've emboldened them by being weak with feeble two tier policing . i'm telling it as it policing. i'm telling it as it is . if they policing. i'm telling it as it is. if they hadn't policing. i'm telling it as it is . if they hadn't allowed these

is. if they hadn't allowed these marches , this wouldn't be going marches, this wouldn't be going on. where does this stop? how many more classes of children up and down the country within the next week or so, we'll be given time off. it's unbelievable. absolute shocking . i'll be absolute shocking. i'll be talking about that with my first guest. but my question for the first hour is, should it be illegal to protest on war memorials on cenotaphs? should it be illegal to protest on war memorials ? emma woolf. farage. memorials? emma woolf. farage. gbnews.com or or tweet using the hashtag farage on gb news that is the question. well, i'm delighted . my first guest down delighted. my first guest down the line is rory geoghegan, who's a former special adviser to prime minister boris johnson on justice and home affairs, and also a former police officer . also a former police officer. rory, a very good evening. thank you for joining rory, a very good evening. thank you forjoining us on farage on gb news. rory the met police are after those demonstrations yesterday . they climbing on war

yesterday. they climbing on war memorials and things. they're sort of saying, well, no laws been broken. what's your view on that? is that is that correct or actually, are they just essentially using to tier policing once again ? policing once again? >> well, i think firstly , >> well, i think firstly, richard, i think my head is honestly spinning from today. you know, half of twitter, if not more , is saying we need new not more, is saying we need new law. half of twitter, if not more, is saying no, we don't just enforce it. i think the truth lies somewhere, sadly, in a sort of blurred middle. so obviously, there's a complex patchwork of obviously the laws, the case law and then inevitably there's policy and guidance from there's policy and guidance from the and the crown the police and the crown prosecution service . and it's prosecution service. and so it's hard. honestly hard , hard. it's honestly quite hard, i anyone, even a i think, for anyone, even a relatively member i think, for anyone, even a relapublic, member i think, for anyone, even a relapublic, to member i think, for anyone, even a relapublic, to make nember i think, for anyone, even a relapublic, to make head er i think, for anyone, even a relapublic, to make head or tail the public, to make head or tail of what the actual situation is . of what the actual situation is. and i think perhaps the most disappointing honestly and i think perhaps the most disapp(fromg honestly and i think perhaps the most disapp(from the honestly and i think perhaps the most disapp(from the met's)nestly and i think perhaps the most disapp(from the met's response for me from the met's response was in essence was the fact that in essence they appear to be quite content to give indication in that to give every indication in that it is completely lawful to clamber over war memorials.

clamber all over war memorials. but this is the green light. this is for anyone who might be minded to do if let minded to do so. if you let people with it, if you people get away with it, if you show weak judgement, then don't be surprised if they push and push what school kids push is what the school kids originally the back of originally did in the back of the we were all at school. >> when we were all at school. and what's going on. but and this is what's going on. but i'm sure i accept that. rory i'm not sure i accept that. rory for it's about the police for me, it's about the police leadership saying this is against the law , we're going to against the law, we're going to arrest you. we're going to charge you, and we'll see what the judges say, however long it is the track . at least then is down the track. at least then everybody they everybody knows where they stand. no ifs , no stand. no nonsense, no ifs, no buts. yeah >> look, i've had quite a bit of contact on my phone today from former and current police, and there is a sort of divergence of opinion . you know, personally opinion. you know, personally i fall on the side that frankly, clearly the scenes yesterday were appalling. the idea that it was merely an act of climbing up and then climbing down from a from a war memorial. i think does does an injustice to actually what anyone who watches that video would have seen which

is someone clambering up onto it as part of linked to a protest. you know there . so you know wasn't there. so i don't know what else was going on at that protest other than what might have been seen on video. the point is, they video. but the point is, they clambered knowing clambered up on that knowing that clearly a source that that was clearly a source of, know, of of, you know, a source of distress alarm, you distress alarm, whatever you want to call it, for people. clearly behaviour, want to call it, for people. cle.view, behaviour, want to call it, for people. cle.view, clambering1aviour, want to call it, for people. cle.view, clambering up,our, want to call it, for people. cle.view, clambering up, riding, my view, clambering up, riding, riding memorial it riding the memorial as though it was sort of rodeo kind of was some sort of rodeo kind of fairground , you know, fairground ride, you know, trying on a bronco or trying to stay on a bronco or something utterly appalling. trying to stay on a bronco or som theng utterly appalling. trying to stay on a bronco or som then for utterly appalling. trying to stay on a bronco or som then for me,erly appalling. trying to stay on a bronco or som then for me,erly ithing ing. trying to stay on a bronco or som then for me,erly ithing t0|. and then for me, the thing to say is that the officers, we can hear at least one of them shouting for guy to come shouting for the guy to come down on good that down good on good on that officer. just say it would officer. can i just say it would have been all too easy in the current climate to have not even done that. at but then for me, the bit that's missing still is even if and i'm prepared even if even if and i'm prepared to concede there's case law to concede that there's case law and stuff gets and there's stuff that gets in the way, prepared to concede the way, i'm prepared to concede that that that point. but the fact that there even much as there wasn't even so much as a do you know what what you've just done, at the very least is anti—social behaviour. what's just done, at the very least is anti-name? behaviour. what's just done, at the very least is anti-name? behavioyour'hat's just done, at the very least is anti-name? behavioyour address? your name? what's your address? if us your name if you don't give us your name

and we're going to be and address, we're going to be putting you straight into a cell for breach. in section 50, the police act. and to top it police reform act. and to top it off, what? let's get off, you know what? let's get a section 35 dispersal in and disperse you from this. and if you comply you don't even want to comply with you with that, then we'll nick you for there just seems for that too. there just seems to real, as you say, and to be a real, as you say, and others have probably said, too, are but you've been are sort of but you've been a police officer, you've police officer, but you've been a officer. police officer, but you've been a that officer. police officer, but you've been a that requires leadership from >> that requires leadership from the the men the top, telling the brave men and on the front line, and women on the front line, don't back. these don't hold back. and these are the laws. them going the laws. tell them you're going to impose them. >> well, right. and to be honest with with the officers in this case, of large case, any of these sort of large scale public order things, people are drawn from all over their police their normal duties to police this. dependent this. they're dependent upon good good good quality briefing, good quality command quality orders, a good command structure to structure and a clarity as to what and isn't lawful and to what is and isn't lawful and to do in different scenarios. this particular people scaling particular one of people scaling war have war memorials, i would have hoped, has been hoped, i would hope has been on the of the the sort of the radar of the met's leadership for weeks, if not months. >> all talking about >> we've all been talking about it. it's unbelievable . it. rory. it's unbelievable. they let it go away with they still let it go away with rory. thank you so much for being with us here on gb news. that's former

that's rory geoghegan, a former police and former police officer and former special on justice to special adviser on justice to bofis special adviser on justice to boris johnson when he was prime minister well, i'm joined secondly down the line by russell fort , who's a barrister russell fort, who's a barrister who specialises in police law . who specialises in police law. russell, a very good evening. thanks for joining russell, a very good evening. thanks forjoining us. so in yourjudgement thanks forjoining us. so in your judgement , thanks forjoining us. so in yourjudgement , i think you yourjudgement, i think you probably just heard my previous interview there , rory felt that interview there, rory felt that the law perhaps perhaps is a matter of interpretation. it might be a bit grey. would you agree with that or where are you on this evening? >> richard well, on this evening? >> richard well , to a degree >> richard well, to a degree i think he's right. certainly you'll find in almost every area of law there are grey areas . the of law there are grey areas. the problem with our policing laws in terms of protest and i think sir mark rowley is right about this , is that there is no this, is that there is no specific offence of climbing or memorial , specific offence of climbing or memorial, notwithstanding that most reasonable people would be highly annoyed and irritated and no doubt were by the actions of those protesters . but but if you

those protesters. but but if you or i were to go to america and, for instance, climb up mount rushmore , you'd find collar rushmore, you'd find your collar felt quickly. that's felt pretty quickly. and that's because states , as because in the united states, as with countries around the with many countries around the world, is a clear, world, there is a clear, specific relating to specific offence relating to climbing on specified memorials. so that's where the problems for the police begin because absent that clarity and one should look to our our legislative legislators to address this absence . absence. >> yeah, i mean what those frontline officers need, they need that clarity , they need need that clarity, they need some strong judgement from from their leadership. i want to move on, please, russell, to the issue of two tier policing, which the former home secretary accused the police mean, accused the police of. i mean, i was in some of the was involved in some of the anti—lockdown marches and the covid time you then had, which were very, very heavily policed . were very, very heavily policed. you had very heavy policing in the with the vigil for sarah everard. and yet you had very light touch policing with with the black lives matter protests in mid 2020. it does feel to me

that we've got serious two tier policing and there's a sense of denial at the met. well in some senses the policing decisions were somewhat easier during times of covid. >> of course , because it was for >> of course, because it was for the most part illegal for people to assemble in the numbers that they assembling. and they they were assembling. and they had automatic or had an automatic or straightforward for straightforward reason for wanting to intervene in the protest. but but the lack of clarity and in particular, one has to have regard in this country to the problems caused by the human human rights law and the right to freedom of assembly and the courts on a number of occasions curtailing what the police can do because of the competing right of people to assemble and protest and so forth, have left the police in a very difficult position . and i very difficult position. and i quite agree that where where there is a protest and people can be singled out for engaging in conduct which is clearly unlawful , then the police have unlawful, then the police have an opportunity and an operational ability, if it's there to intervene and deal with

those people. but but but when you're talking about banning marches as a whole, the problem becomes much more difficult unless there is, as mark riley had to say, clear intelligence . had to say, clear intelligence. >> i guess, russell, what we've learned from this, what we've learned, i mean , my view is that learned, i mean, my view is that the police are showing weak leadership weak judgement. leadership and weak judgement. they're enough the they're not brave enough at the top of the met and other forces top of the met and other forces to lay down the existing law. and if that gets tested in the courts, fine, that's further down the track. but at least you showed a proper example. i think what learning is actually what we're learning is actually there's areas and there's too many grey areas and whichever government of the day needs to rapidly , we give the needs to rapidly, we give the police greater clarity on these sort of issues . well i think sort of issues. well i think i think that is the answer. >> and some some steps have been taken recently to beef up the laws on protesting, particularly in light of the just stop oil protesters and their new techniques and tactics . but as techniques and tactics. but as somebody who has to represent

the police when they get sued frequently for their actions in relation to protests, the police do have a real difficulty because of the way that the courts interpret the law, and that causes them to be highly reticent to intervene in some circumstances . circumstances. >> so it's i mean, that's a really good way finish. thank really good way to finish. thank you much. indeed. sounds really good way to finish. thank yo me much. indeed. sounds really good way to finish. thank yo me as uch. indeed. sounds really good way to finish. thank yo me as thoughieed. sounds really good way to finish. thank yo me as though actually ounds really good way to finish. thank yo me as though actually the ds to me as though actually the police down, police are being let down, i think, the leadership. but think, by the leadership. but actually, maybe the leadership think, by the leadership. but ac saying maybe the leadership think, by the leadership. but ac saying they're the leadership think, by the leadership. but ac saying they're the letlet'ship think, by the leadership. but ac saying they're the letlet down is saying they're being let down by legislation . ian, thank by the legislation. ian, thank you so much. indeed. russell fought he's fought for that. he's a barrister specialising in police law i said earlier that law now, i said earlier that patrick was at a march earlier. just take a look at this. i mean, we've got to look more at this later on. but just look at this later on. but just look at this a little taster this as a little a little taster . why say on you, shame on you, why shame on you. >> tell me why you're not watching . watching. >> you're not wanting, you're killing babies. >> you're killing babies . oh, >> you're killing babies. oh, you support. yes. you dear patrick, he is a glutton for

punishment, isn't he? >> but seriously , he's >> but seriously, he's a journalist. talk about free speech, for heaven's sake. well, he'll join us later in the show to tell us about this. yet another harrowing experience. we're going to go for a quick break. don't go anywhere. but after that, going to be after that, we're going to be talking about i'm a celebrity because ben leo, because our very own ben leo, he's landed. he is down under. he's on the gold coast and he's going to be talking about the first event, the first trial that nigel, it appears, is already done, is underway. don't go anywhere. it's .

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> welcome back to gb news for a two hour special farage show with me, richard tice. we've got patrick christie coming up a little bit later on the show, talking about once again, he's got in trouble with the

protesters . absolutely. but protesters. absolutely. but first, i'll ask you this question . after looking at the question. after looking at the protests and those shocking pictures the protesters pictures of the protesters climbing the wall memorials, the question simple should question was simple should it be illegal protest based on war illegal to protest based on war memorials ? well, ray is memorials? well, ray is absolutely clear . absolutely. it absolutely clear. absolutely. it should be against the law to protest on all national monuments. sheila says by email, no way should anyone be allowed to climb on war memorials or any other. they should be arrested . other. they should be arrested. and this is massively disrespect awful to this country, says sheila and john. he doesn't hold back either . the sheila and john. he doesn't hold back either. the disgusting insults to our glorious dead almost brought me to tears. john, i'm sorry about that. it's just that's what it is. brian there's no excuse for this type of behaviour on a memorial . of behaviour on a memorial. there should be a penalty to pay . well, what we heard earlier was actually in the us, for example, this would not be allowed. well as you know, obviously we're an international show. nigel is down under. we

know what he's up to. he's on i'm a celebrity . and yes, our i'm a celebrity. and yes, our very own ben leo gb news, reporter, he's just landed in australia. no rest for the wicked. he's on the gold coast. he's with us now. look at him, ben. a very good. what is it with you? it's a it's in the morning, isn't it? you today, richard? >> yeah, it's about 5 am. i've got off the plane. not too long ago, straight down to the gold coast. right. so, yeah, i mean , coast. right. so, yeah, i mean, australia has farage fever from what i've seen so far. traditionally border force , the traditionally border force, the australian airports are pretty miserable bunch. but as soon as i said that i was coming to report on nigel's participation in the jungle, his eyes lit up like a christmas tree goes for the for my hotel. the same for my hotel. receptionist as not the receptionist as well. not the same , unfortunately for all of same, unfortunately for all of nigel's haters . i don't know if nigel's haters. i don't know if you caught the daily mirror today, a quite today, but there was a quite a venomous column from polly hudson which was headlined going on a celebrity can only make on i'm a celebrity can only make nigel farage human, which nigel farage more human, which is dangerous. she went on to say this odious, this odious

creature will be filmed 24 hours a day for weeks. so the law of averages dictates that at some point even he will reveal a never been before slice of humanity. >> oh, ben , i'll tell you what. >> oh, ben, i'll tell you what. they're just jealous at the daily mirror. they're just jealous . none of them are good jealous. none of them are good enough to on it. i think so. enough to get on it. i think so. that's fantastic. so where are you now? literally, as you're standing there, it looks as though a beach ? though is that a beach? >> yeah. so i'm in a place called broadbeach, which is on the gold coast. it's just below surfers paradise, where traditionally all the celebs stay when they come out. the jungle. they stay in the versace hotel, all the friends and family there as well . nigel family there as well. nigel though, however, although his camp mates have been here on the gold a days ago, i gold coast a few days ago, i think it was yesterday , they think it was yesterday, they filmed he's been to thousand filmed it. he's been to thousand miles in the australian miles away in the australian northern territory, which is the outback, sweltering 40 degree heat, doing what will be the big opening trial for sunday's show opener on itv. wow. not much

details . not opener on itv. wow. not much details. not many opener on itv. wow. not much details . not many details have details. not many details have been released about it. thus far. however, he's been there with this morning's josie gibson and youtuber nella rose . he'll and youtuber nella rose. he'll be trying to win time for his campmates back here on the gold coast who are doing their own challenges. so as it stands , challenges. so as it stands, nigel itv are getting their money's worth out of him. he'll be the star of the opening show this sunday. ben it's incredible. >> it's so exciting and well done. you love the hat . done. you love the hat. absolutely love it. i love the fact. also. we've got you straight to shortly after straight to work shortly after landing. ben, leo, landing. good man. ben, leo, thank looking thank you so much. looking forward hearing from you. it forward to hearing from you. it looks form sort of looks like some form of sort of border force post just behind him there. we'll ask him that next time. anyway, well done, ben, leo, thank you very much indeed. to the serious indeed. back to the serious action here in the uk. i'm delighted to be joined to talk about what what pressures now on the labour leadership on keir starmer following numerous resignations in the studio , resignations in the studio, mohamed amin, who is a former chair of the conservative muslim

forum, is with me and also currently a liberal democrat at the grassroots level. mohamed, thank you so much indeed for joining us. you do you understand the muslim community? well, you're obviously understand the pressures that is on the labour leadership. keir starmer , how significant were starmer, how significant were the resignations last night and is this pressure how do you think this pressure may grow from here? >> well, this is clearly something that keir starmer did not want to happen , especially not want to happen, especially in a situation where the liberal democrat party is supporting calls for a ceasefire . so calls for a ceasefire. so there's a clear split in party political terms between the labour party's position of abstaining and the liberal democrats voting in favour of a ceasefire and rather like 2003, you could see many muslim voters defecting from labour who they normally vote for to voting for the lib dems. >> really? do you think you might even defections from might even see defections from labour councillors or

conservative councillors or indeed mps to the lib dems just on that point alone? i don't know whether elected officials would change parties. >> sometimes people do , >> sometimes people do, sometimes they don't. i've no information on that point, but i know that in 2000, the 2005 general election , i believe that general election, i believe that there was a significant decline in muslims voting for labour and more muslims voting lib dem at that time. >> so do you think iraq, do you think the pressure grows to such an extent on starmer that an extent on keir starmer that actually has to change actually he has to change course pretty quickly ? well, and back pretty quickly? well, and back a ceasefire call? >> well, the other issue is not just muslim voters, because if you young people, you look at young people, there's clear age difference there's a clear age difference between how sympathetic people are towards israeli or palestinians, depending upon their age. so i think there'll be far more support for a ceasefire amongst younger voters and younger voters. again regularly vote labour. >> you may have heard that actually they're now essentially school children are being given time off out of lesson time,

which i think is frankly absurd. i think it's a breach of safeguarding in order to basically chant and march basically go and chant and march up to a labour mps office. i mean, what do you think of that? i mean, surely this is this is completely unacceptable. if it's school i am very school time, i am very sceptical. but you shouldn't be using school children for seriously controversial political issues. >> well, you if it's school time, they should be in school learning. they can protest on saturdays and getting politically engaged even at a young age is a good thing. but not on school time, in my view. >> so you support school children chanting from the river to the sea, free palestine on in their free time, they have freedom of speech to exercise as they wish. >> it's not a chant that i have ever used. i don't agree with it. in particular, it's a question of what does that chant mean? it could mean anything from supporting. >> i think we i think we know what means. before i you what it means. before i let you 9°, what it means. before i let you go, though, mohammed, is there a serious risk for the labour party that that actually

independent and muslim candidates in some of the significant muslim communities , significant muslim communities, constituencies that actually they back an independent candidate and the vote swings there as opposed to the existing labour mp or labour candidate? i'm relatively sceptical about that because there are very few constituency parties where the muslim voters are more than sort of 30, for example. >> so i'm very sceptical about independent candidates. >> very interesting indeed . so >> very interesting indeed. so do you think finally, do you think keir starmer will will bottle it? will have to bottle it? will he have to change course or will he hold the line? >> i suspect given where he >> i suspect that given where he is keir starmer stand is now, keir starmer will stand fast line because fast and hold the line because the has already taken the vote has already taken place. he's had the resignations, but . resignations, yes, but. >> but he's going to be under increasing pressure. that. increasing pressure. and that. may i mean, if he's if there's another ten, who say unless you change by a week's time, i'm going to resign as well, at some point this pressure grow . point this pressure could grow. it could be insurmountable for him. >> i suspect that's not going to happen. of course, the other

thing to watch is that international developments themselves will change. you could position the could find a position in the united states changing. you could find israel. got to could find israel. you've got to respond international events respond to international events and on. respond to international events ancabsolutely on. respond to international events ancabsolutely right. mohammed >> absolutely right. mohammed amin, you much for amin, thank you so much for sharing really sharing that. absolutely really incisive, very, very interesting indeed.thank incisive, very, very interesting indeed. thank you for being with us. great. so coming up, folks, we've got to be talking about this labour rebellion. it's going on and on. i think . what going on and on. i think. what pressure on keir starmer got a great guest coming up straight after the break. don't go anywhere. it's gb news on patrick christys tonight , 9 to patrick christys tonight, 9 to 11 pm. i expose more pro—palestine protest madness. >> all right . okay. >> all right. okay. >> all right. okay. >> okay . >> okay. >> okay. >> right. you're killing babies . >> right. you're killing babies. you're killing babies. >> as kids are now being taken out of school to go on marches. princess diana's closest confidante, paul burrell , confidante, paul burrell, delivers his exclusive verdict on the crown's controversial final season . patrick christys final season. patrick christys tonight kicks off 9 pm. you have to be there

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radio . radio. >> welcome back to farage on gb news. we've got a two hour special later up this hour, we're going to be talking to patrick christie once again. he's got himself into sorts he's got himself into all sorts of trouble with the pro hamas protesters . some shocking protesters. some shocking footage to look forward to or to experience there from patrick. but first of all, i'm joined in the studio by jonathan sacerdoti, who is a broadcaster , sacerdoti, who is a broadcaster, journalist and commentator. just to look again at the pressure on the labour party from from from these protests . they've had these protests. they've had serious numbers. they've had ten resignations already . you've got resignations already. you've got lots of labour councillors resigning as well . and i just resigning as well. and i just want to get your thoughts as an independent journalist, you you're very experienced in this area. how much pressure now will be building on the labour leadership from both the jewish community that supports labour

and also the muslim community as we see these protests , which to we see these protests, which to me are horrific . me are horrific. >> the labour party under jeremy corbyn lost a massive amount of its jewish support for sure, for obvious reasons. its jewish support for sure, for obvious reasons . and i think obvious reasons. and i think that the ehrc's findings against the labour party meant that when keir starmer took over as leader, he really had to reform the party in order to not just regain young jewish voters confidence, but the confidence of any labour voters who had a conscience about the fact that anti—semitism was such a big problem. so i think that his position on israel's war against hamas has been partly related to that, but also partly a desire to back up the government's position, because that is what is morally and ethically correct. >> and i think most people probably thought that actually keir starmer done a very good job in that given where the party had been under jeremy party had been underjeremy corbyn. but have you been surprised by by the pressure now from parts of his own , his own from parts of his own, his own

mps from labour voting muslims and in a sense, is that is that is highlighting that actually deep down there is still significant antisemitism within the labour ranks ? the labour ranks? >> yes, i think that there is bound to be an issue within the labour party, even with a strong leader trying to move it away from problems of anti—semitism and even the more vicious, more anti—semitic side of anti—israel feeling in the party, there's bound to be some people left in the party, including the the party, including in the house don't house of commons, who don't agree that direction that agree with that direction that sir keir is taking. i think so far he's standing strong far he's standing pretty strong against it, against that pushback. against it, against that pushback . and that's pushback. and i think that's important not not again, as i say, not because of jewish people per se, but because of the whole nation. i think nobody in to see in the nation wants to see jewish feeling as jewish people feeling as alienated and endangered as they did under the years, but did under the corbyn years, but also when it comes to the issue of the war, i think many people in the country, many labour voters presumably will still see that have many that israel doesn't have many

opfions options here. after the slaughter savage kidnapping slaughter and savage kidnapping and brutalising of israel . and brutalising of israel. >> that. but but, but i've been very about the growing very concerned about the growing hate and incitement of these marches . as i saw the very first marches. as i saw the very first demonstration near the israeli embassy on october the 9th, i immediately saw where this could go and i think it's i think it's truly shocking, actually. and i'm very , very concerned about i'm very, very concerned about it. and we've even seen today we've seen actually schoolchildren being being essentially taken out of school in order to demonstrate to go to a labour mps office and to chant . i think we've actually got a clip on on the screen now . you clip on on the screen now. you get it right , do the clip on on the screen now. you get it right, do the thing . to get it right, do the thing. to see palestine . draghi palestine see palestine. draghi palestine free, free. i mean the reason that those pictures are blurred, jonathan, is because they are

children. yes and they are singing chants from the river to the sea, which i find absolutely abhorrent. and i think we're in abhorrent. and i think we're in a very bad place when you've got schoolchildren who are being taken out of school to get involved in in the most controversial part of sort of geopolitics and where does that leave it with with mixed schools where you've got muslim children and jewish children ? and jewish children? >> well, i wouldn't want to see people pitting jews and muslims against each other britain . i against each other in britain. i think whole point of our think the whole point of our society is that it shouldn't matter if you're if you're jewish or if you're muslim or if you're neither. i think that we're all able to think as british people and sensible british people and as sensible consumers of the news. and what i'd like to say really about that chant is it's it is scary to this from the river to to see this from the river to the sea being chanted by children, by anyone on the streets london. i think if streets of london. i think if anybody hadn't known previously what it meant and that it indicates a sort of genocidal intent towards the state of israel and its people, they do

know now, because it's been so discussed, that i agree entirely i >> -- >> de but there's no way in the nicest possible way that those children can know the undertones , the genocidal undertones they are being used. i think , as are being used. i think, as pawns for a bigger picture. >> i think that touches on another very important part of this whole issue, which is that there is a bit of a bit of a gulf between the older part of society and the younger part and how they feel on this issue. and i think that's the case with many issues in, you know, in the modern day. but i think that we are in a dangerous moment because if there are a lot of people in the traditional media, let's the bbc and let's say, like the bbc and there are a lot of people even teaching within in academia, in schools , in universities who schools, in in universities who are swallowing the line that's fed by the bbc, the bbc, for example, a great example, is providing a great deal of disinformation on this war and on israel as it has always done. i mean, just for example, and this is what influences children and academics . so influences children and academics. so i think it's

forming a next generation on who are bound to have warped views on the bbc were forced to on this. the bbc were forced to apologise for apologise yesterday for literally out the literally reading out the opposite of the news. it was it was a perfect example of fake news. they said that israel had gone into shifa hospital in gone into the shifa hospital in gaza and they had targeted arabic speakers and medical personnel. >> it was an unforgivable mistake. it was it was as bad or worse as their previous complete howler. claim to be sort howler. they claim to be sort of, you know, the best in the business. >> well, it's a blood libel. i mean, it was a blood libel to continually accuse jews. israel the jewish state of targeting hospitals, of targeting doctors , hospitals, of targeting doctors, when in actual fact, you're right , they shouldn't be making right, they shouldn't be making those mistakes. >> they've got to do much, much better. frankly, they better. or frankly, they shouldn't all. shouldn't get involved at all. jonathan sacerdoti, thank you so much for being with us. thank you. on news. really you. here on gb news. i really do appreciate well just do appreciate it. well just before we go to the break, goodness me, nigel would not believe the what farage believe of the what the farage moment . coots you know, he's had moment. coots you know, he's had a few chats with them, a little

bit of a to do with them. here we go. oh, they've been named. they've award. and they've got an award. and i think we might a think we might even have a picture of the award. who knows? they've named best bank they've been named the best bank for diversity and inclusion. how lovely, how appropriate it. given how they treated nigel. unbelievable. i think that would have send him first. anyway. coming up, more news, coming up, more good news, though, folks , about brexit. though, folks, about brexit. yes, because actually kemi badenoch she has signed a memorandum of understanding with the state of florida. we'll be talking to catherine mcbride about that. don't go anywhere. it's it's . gb news. it's farage. it's. gb news. >> previously on breakfast at what has failed time for a solution. stanley johnson joins us this morning. >> we do have to get immigration under control. this policy of discuss engagement did work in the case of australia . we have the case of australia. we have to make it work here. if we had 3 or 4 years, he could perhaps

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us welcome back, my friends, to farage on gb news. >> we're approaching the end of the first hour of this two hour special and guess what? i've got some good news. is good brexit news. i have to say that brings a big smile to me and many, many others. yes. because actually kemi badenoch the international development secretary, trade

secretary, has already done a deal with the state of florida in the us, you might say. how does that work? well, i'm delighted to say that that my guest in the studio, catherine mcbride, free market economist and fellow at the centre for brexit policy, is to here explain it all, why it is truly good news. catherine a very good evening to you. so um, tell us about this sort of it's a memorandum of understanding, isn't it, with a state within, in the 50 states of the us , in the 50 states of the us, what's involved and how is it different from a from a national deal at the federal level? well because of the way the us government is set up, you have federal laws and you have state laws and state regulations is a lot service industries are lot of service industries are regulated by the state as well. >> they have an umbrella organisation or regulation from the federal government . but you, the federal government. but you, if you want to sell insurance in the us, you have to get permission per state. it's mainly run by the states and

therefore to get an mou with florida , which is the fourth florida, which is the fourth biggest state economic oakley, it's worth about £1 trillion. its gdp is i it's worth about £1 trillion. its gdp is 1 trillion usd, not pounds. its gdp is 1 trillion usd, not pounds . it's as its gdp is 1 trillion usd, not pounds. it's as big as spain . pounds. it's as big as spain. you know, this is just think about that. >> i mean, that's extraordinary . >> i mean, that's extraordinary. people might be saying, well, why? why is it good news? a state in us where you've got state in the us where you've got a florida whose a state like florida whose economy big the whole economy is as big as the whole of actually is really significant. >> it's very significant. and also they deal in two industries. we're very good at. we both do a lot of financial services . they also do a lot of services. they also do a lot of fintech and they do a lot of aerospace and the uk, a lot of people don't know this, but making aircraft parts and spacecraft parts and satellites is something we're quite good at. >> that's absolutely right. so from those from that perspective , it's a real opportunity for us. >> us. >> it is a very good opportunity , absolutely fantastic. >> the government's been moving around so much, it's hard to actually keep up with all the different appointments. i think i may have maligned i may have i may have maligned kemi she's now

kemi badenoch. i think she's now the secretary it the business secretary but it really hard to keep up with. really is hard to keep up with. >> actually called >> it's actually called the department of business and trade, trade, trade, the business and trade, and other and it changes every other month, as i can see. month, as far as i can see. >> but this is good news and this is the i think it's the seventh state that deal that's been does been done. when does this memorandum understanding turn memorandum of understanding turn into actual legally binding into an actual legally binding deal ? deal? >> that's a good thing. i don't actually know when it will actually know what when it will actually know what when it will actually start, but it isn't like a trade deal, like at the moment i'm in the process of ratifying the cptpp. i'm on the trade and agriculture commission. we scrutinise the deals . these sort of commission. we scrutinise the deals. these sort of memorandums don't have the same level of scrutiny because it is really just an agreement that that we can do business together . can do business together. >> so when would it actually take effect? i mean, does it take effect? i mean, does it take effect? i mean, does it take effect like immediately or is there like a i think it happens quite quickly because we signed one with carolina signed one with north carolina earlier and they're already a group marshall aerospace, group called marshall aerospace, which is based in canberra. >> cambridge has already set up an operation in north carolina,

right? so that they seem to be able to do that quite quickly. so the memorandum is signed. >> would you expect more state deals and maybe that's a lot easier to do frankly an easier to do than frankly an overarching national deal for a lot of the things that we sell? >> very good to do state >> it's very good to do state deals because our exports were more than 50% services in the last quarter that just came out, or about 55% services now. so to do if you want to sell financial services, insurance , pensions, services, insurance, pensions, that sort of thing , which is that sort of thing, which is what we're good at, are the business services like legal and consulting , you need to deal consulting, you need to deal with the states and computer programming. >> i think. i mean, i think it's really important and i think it's good to celebrate it. good news, frankly. very good. and it's part of the sort of the brexit opportunities that that slowly, slowly, frankly , far too slowly, slowly, frankly, far too slowly, slowly, frankly, far too slowly in my view , the slowly in my view, the government's taking advantage of. >> well, the trade department is doing incredibly well because besides these deals , they've besides these deals, they've also they're renegotiating with

switzerland and canada and mexico and south korea. they've got new deals with japan, norway , liechtenstein, iceland . , liechtenstein, iceland. they're doing new deals with israel. and lots of other states. >> catherine has got all those details. i tell you what, folks, we'll get it back to highlight brexit. good news. there's some of it out there and we need to celebrate it. catherine mcbride, thank forjoining us thank you so much forjoining us here here he is, the here on gb news. here he is, the man who getting into man who is getting himself into all sorts of a pickle. patrick good you still with us. good to see you still with us. thank been down thank you. so you've been down to east london today. what's gone on? and how you gone on? and how much did you need security guard ? need your security guard? >> look, absolutely. so >> yeah, look, absolutely. so i will continue to expose what every other media outlet appears to want to cover up, which is the reality of what is going on and the kind of people who attend these pro—palestine marches today to marches. i turned up today to bethnal green , which is bethnal green, which is a heavily muslim area where their local mp had not voted for a ceasefire before they tipped up. i've got a little clip about just well , the clip speaks for

just well, the clip speaks for itself. come on, daniel. you shame on you. >> shame on you. shame on you. shame on you. shame on me. shame on me. shame on me. shame on you. shame on me. shame on me. shame on me . shame on me. on me. shame on me. shame on me. shame on me . you spend more. you shame on me. you spend more. you spend more. shame on you . shame spend more. shame on you. shame on you. shame on you. shame on you . you. >> unbelievable . >> unbelievable. >> unbelievable. >> yeah. i mean, there's a lot more of this again between 9 and 11 pm. tonight on my show. there were people with megaphones chanting at me the complete to suppress the complete wanting to suppress the free press entirely . they don't free press entirely. they don't want me to ask very basic questions to people like, why are you here? why does this mean so much to you, etcetera? >> if you ask them, do they >> and if you ask them, do they condemn october the condemn hamas and october the seventh, what's the answer? >> one person said, yes, everybody just refused to everybody else just refused to answer just answer the question. just refused to talk me. the refused to talk to me. the police stand around there. people road . people are blocking the road. there was a problem with an ambulance getting through at one point you're just

point as well. and you're just completely these completely mobbed by these people . people. >> and this is this is the crux of patrick. if they're not prepared to answer that question, they're question, that tells you they're a pro hamas. but have you seen the footage of the children on this? it chanting river the footage of the children on thithe it chanting river the footage of the children on thithe sea?1anting river to the sea? >> so this is why i went there today, in the today, because earlier in the day, children were there. so today, because earlier in the dwas children were there. so today, because earlier in the dwas puttingiren were there. so today, because earlier in the dwas putting itn were there. so today, because earlier in the dwas putting itn vthem.iere. so today, because earlier in the dwas putting itn vthem. do. so today, because earlier in the dwas putting itn vthem. do you i was putting it to them. do you think that children think it's right that children should be potentially indoctrinated marches? indoctrinated on these marches? and try to and if it's okay to try to intimidate a democratically elected outside intimidate a democratically ele how many teachers? also >> how many teachers? but also show these sort show these children, these sort of child student of youngsters, child student protests they'll protests before we know they'll be over country . be all over the country. teachers be taking them teachers will be taking them out. be a great out. patrick it'll be a great show. 9 to do not miss that.

show. 9 to 11. do not miss that. that'll absolutely fasting. that'll be absolutely fasting. now next hour, now i'm here for the next hour, of i'm standing of course, because i'm standing in for jacob. of course, because i'm standing in forjacob. unbelievably, he's gone this gone to some other channel this evening. up, evening. but anyway, coming up, we're be talking about we're going to be talking about rwanda. we're going to be looking the autumn looking forward to the autumn statement. that means, and statement. what that means, and also the new series of the crown. i'll be joined by gb news senior political commentators nigel nelson. he's always got a view or two. and of course, the editor of conserved lviv home, paul goodman, long and lots more still to come up. it'll be an absolutely fascinating second houn absolutely fascinating second hour. there may be a row or two, but first, here we go. we're going to head towards the all important weather. what's going on? >> evening, alex burkill >> good evening, alex burkill here with your latest news here again with your latest news weather forecast. whilst for many, tomorrow is going to be a largely we do have some largely dry day, we do have some rain get rid of first this rain to get rid of first this evening. that's in association with a front that's pushing its way from to east. it has way from west to east. it has already some rain already brought some heavy rain across of northern across parts of northern ireland earlier is now pushing earlier today and is now pushing into western parts of scotland, england across wales to some

england and across wales to some heavy as it makes its heavy outbreaks as it makes its way eastwards. the rain way eastwards. but the rain should up somewhat through should break up somewhat through the some parts of the night. some parts of northeast scotland will stay largely dry with clear skies, some mist, fog some some mist, some fog and some frost. clear frost. here. elsewhere, clear skies behind the rain will allow temperatures to take bit of a temperatures to take a bit of a dip. a chilly start friday dip. so a chilly start on friday morning patches of morning with some patches of fog, perhaps even some freezing fog, perhaps even some freezing fog some spots any fog fog in some spots to any fog should largely as we go should largely clear as we go through the morning. and it should fine day. should be a mostly fine day. plenty of sunshine too. just a few most likely towards few showers, most likely towards western parts of england, perhaps will perhaps wales. but these will ease into the ease as we go into the afternoon. notice then some more cloud and some pushing its cloud and some rain pushing its way in from the southwest later on, temperatures, as for a on, temperatures, as for many a little bit higher today . little bit higher than today. still little bit of a chilly still a little bit of a chilly feel towards the north, turning milder south—west milder towards the south—west then wet and windy weather spilling across all parts as we go. overnight into saturday. so it does look like it's going to be fairly unsettled weekend. be a fairly unsettled weekend. the greatest impacts from the rain the south—west rain will be in the south—west where have already saturated where we have already saturated ground. as we go ground. but then as we go through sunday and into monday ,

through sunday and into monday, it's be a bit more it's going to be a bit more showery. so some spells in showery. so some drier spells in between and between the rain and temperatures dipping after a mild to the weekend

away . away. well, a very good evening. >> it is now 8:00 and it is still the farage show. yes, we've got a two hour special and you'll be pleased to know i'm still richard tice standing in for nigel for and jacob. he's disappeared somewhere to some other channel. what's going on, anyway ? we have got to talk anyway? we have got to talk about the rwanda plan. can rishi's rwanda plan really rishi's new rwanda plan really work ? we're also going to be work? we're also going to be looking at this labour ceasefire rule. we've got ten frontbench resignations . could this be resignations. could this be could there be more ? could this could there be more? could this really sing, bring real trouble for keir starmer? could it actually bring him down? for heaven's sake? we're also going to be previewing the autumn

statement week. what you statement next week. what you can forward to or not look can look forward to or not look forward could you keeping forward to. could you be keeping more with some tax more of your money with some tax cuts ? big question and you may cuts? big question and you may well excited . noted. the well be excited. noted. yes. the crown . when does this crown. when does this dramatisation become the rewriting history? we need to rewriting of history? we need to explore all of that. but first, it's addison . it's the news with ray addison. >> thanks, richard. good evening. i'm ray addison in the newsroom. our top stories, the chancellor says the government can't guarantee rwanda deportation flights will begin next year . that's despite the next year. that's despite the prime minister saying he was aiming for the spring downing street says emergency legislation will be produced in the coming weeks. legislation will be produced in the coming weeks . that's after the coming weeks. that's after the coming weeks. that's after the supreme court ruled that it was unlawful. while jeremy hunt says government is doing says the government is doing all it to stop the boats, we it can to stop the boats, we are hopeful that because of the solutions that the prime minister announced yesterday, we will be able to get flights off to rwanda next year.

>> we can't guarantee that we have to pass legislation, emergency legislation , motion in emergency legislation, motion in the house of commons. we have to sign international treaty sign a new international treaty with rwanda. but . our commitment with rwanda. but. our commitment to the british people is that although the supreme court ruling was a setback , we will ruling was a setback, we will not allow anything to get in the way of delivering the prime minister's pledge to secure our borders by stopping the boats. lord cameron has made a surprise visit to ukraine on day two of his first overseas trip as foreign secretary, he travelled to the black sea port of odesa. >> whilst there, he announced more support for ukraine, including providing essential winter supplies for people evacuated from frontline areas . evacuated from frontline areas. downing street has confirmed that civil servants will now need to spend more time in the office. they're required to come in to work for a bare minimum of three days a week . meanwhile, three days a week. meanwhile, more senior managers will have to be in the office for longer. it follows campaigning from

former business secretary jacob rees—mogg . up to 10 million gp rees—mogg. up to 10 million gp appointments could be freed under new government plans. the new health secretary says that pharmacies will be given more powers to help people directly . powers to help people directly. it's all part of an nhs proposal to cut waiting lists from next month. millions of women in england will be able to access free contraception without having to see a . gp back to the having to see a. gp back to the chancellor, jeremy hunt says benefits claimants who don't seek employment despite being fit to work, will lose access to free prescriptions and legal aid . jeremy hunt says the measures are necessary to prevent anyone choosing to coast on the hard work of tax payers. end quote. the government crackdown will also see digital tools used to track attendance at job fairs and interviews. however, campaigners have described the sanctions as deeply worrying. they're warning that they could worsen mental illness . the worsen mental illness. the scottish health secretary has apologised for incurring an

£11,000 data bill whilst using anipad £11,000 data bill whilst using an ipad abroad . michael matheson an ipad abroad. michael matheson ran up a huge roaming charge while on holiday in morocco last year. while on holiday in morocco last year . the falkirk west msp told year. the falkirk west msp told parliament that his sons used his ipad to watch football and admitted mistakes were made. he says he'll pay the money back . says he'll pay the money back. this is gb news across the uk on tv , in your car, on digital tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now let's get straight back to richard . richard. >> well, a very good evening. thank you very much indeed, ray. and welcome back to the second hour of this two hour special. so much going on, for heaven's sake . you know that word sake. you know that word emergency rac. what is an emergency rac. what is an emergency ? ac what is emerge emergency? ac what is emerge urgency legislation ? have you urgency legislation? have you ever heard that word before ? i ever heard that word before? i mean, we've heard sort of urgent

. do you remember the prime minister back in march ? he said minister back in march? he said he an urgent review into he wanted an urgent review into the gender ideology stuff . the whole gender ideology stuff. urgent. my definition of urgent today , this week for the prime today, this week for the prime minister nothing. here we are. it's november , prime minister. it's november, prime minister. you still haven't given us that review. that's not urgent . so review. that's not urgent. so how much do you believe about this emergency legislation ? i this emergency legislation? i tell you what, there's no such thing. it's a con. it's misleading . he should be done misleading. he should be done for, frankly , it's a sort of for, frankly, it's a sort of breach of the descriptions act, as far as i can see. but here's the thing. if it really is an emergency, see, we saw it with the covid laws. they were passed in why doesn't he get on in days. why doesn't he get on with it and pass this in days? how long will this new rwanda legislation charleton take to pass to get through the commons and the house of lords? well, i'm asking you this question. i mean, we talk about emergency. can rishi's new rwanda plan work 7 can rishi's new rwanda plan work ? can rishi's rwanda plan work?

email me farage at gbnews.com on or tweet using the hashtag farage on gb news. well delighted to be joined. now by the barrister and writer stephen barrett down the line . stephen, barrett down the line. stephen, a very good evening . thanks for a very good evening. thanks for being with us. so how does this work , this this sort of work, this this sort of emergency legislation ? i mean, emergency legislation? i mean, what is it and how long is it going to take? >> well, you're very right to highlight this because i'm a commercial barrister, so urgent from one of my clients means overnight or ideally now or a new york minute. you know, i've been woken up professionally at 230 in the morning and had to get to a computer and write something now and it's going out in a few hours. that is what i consider to be an emergency and it's right that you highlight that parliament itself can act in an emergency if it so chooses. we have fought wars

before now and we're not in a position where if we were suddenly declared war on, we'd have to say, oh, we're terribly sorry, but our legislative process takes about eight months. do you mind holding off till spring? you know, we till next spring? you know, we can take action now, whether we're intending to what the word emergency legislation means. well, only the prime minister knows. >> but but here's the thing, though . i mean, the former home though. i mean, the former home secretary said that there was no plan b, the prime minister had essentially deny it, refused it. so how long do you think this is now going to take and are they going to do new completely new legislation even with all the drafting that that involves or actually could they amend existing legislation and possibly the illegal migration act or or other acts in order to do this faster , in order to do this faster, in order to comply with this great word , an comply with this great word, an emergency ? emergency? >> well, you could have taken action after the court of appeal decision. so we've waited until the supreme court decision, which went exactly the same way as the court of appeal. and we

appear to have done nothing in preparation and that's the point suella makes. that is suella makes. and that that is true. so it's not i'm not making a statement here that a political statement here that we apparently done nothing we have apparently done nothing in to losing in the in relation to losing in the court of appeal. we apparently did not have a plan b at that stage . i want to make it very stage. i want to make it very clear to your viewers that i don't it's wrong. if anybody tells you that the supreme court wanted to block the rwanda deal, thatis wanted to block the rwanda deal, that is not true . what the that is not true. what the supreme court has done is go into our law and say, does this work? it's exactly what the thing is, stephen, what my viewers want to know is how long is this going to take? >> because this was the sort of the absolute key for the government stopping the boat program. and frankly , it's in program. and frankly, it's in the bin at the moment. >> it's going to take as as >> it's going to take as long as the minister if he the prime minister wants. if he wants, can be much more wants, he can be much more urgent than he's being. it's urgent than he's being. and it's i have constitution i won't have the constitution presented as though it's inherently slow , it's not inherently slow, it's not inherently slow, it's not inherently it will go at

inherently slow. it will go at the speed he wants. and you must you judge him politically on you can judge him politically on the of long he takes. the basis of how long he takes. if says he's urgent and if he says he's being urgent and actually really slow, actually he's being really slow, well, fact that well, then that's a fact that you know, people can take you you know, people can take into i'm not going into account that i'm not going to endorse the idea that this has to be slow because it doesn't have to be slow. >> actually. stephen, that's a brilliant way to finish. that's a fascinating way finish a fascinating way to finish that. not the that. actually it's not the constitution of uk constitution of the uk legislation that's slow . it's legislation that's slow. it's the minister's commitment. the prime minister's commitment. and actually for my listeners and viewers , that's absolutely and viewers, that's absolutely critical. the prime minister keeps saying he's committed to stopping boats. well, he's stopping the boats. well, he's got his work out. stephen got his work cut out. stephen barrett, you much barrett, thank you so much indeed us. that indeed forjoining us. that really absolutely incisive. really is absolutely incisive. well, i'm delighted now to be joined in studio panel joined in the studio by my panel for evening , joined in the studio by my panel for evening, editor of for this evening, editor of conservative home on right, conservative home on my right, paul and of course , the paul goodman. and of course, the man from the left, gb news is special political commentator nigel nelson. gentlemen really interesting to hear from stephen barrett there. i'm going to come straight to you, nigel. we've heard about the sort of the

timing about the timing of it. what about the politics of this? i mean, the prime minister, frankly, he looks weak. it looks as though suella braverman was right after all. what do you think? where does the politics of this go? the pressure on the prime minister for apparently there are dozens mps who've already are dozens of mps who've already written to the minister. written to the prime minister. yes >> and the first stage will be that whether suella braverman is telling the truth or whether the prime minister is, they can't both be. at the moment you've got a situation where the rishi sunak says they've been working for months on a new treaty with rwanda , why they didn't do this rwanda, why they didn't do this in the first place is beyond me. but anyway, they've been working for months now . hang on a sec. for months now. hang on a sec. that means the home secretary for months now. hang on a sec. that ihaves the home secretary for months now. hang on a sec. that ihaves the involved cretary for months now. hang on a sec. that ihaves the involved intary for months now. hang on a sec. that ihaves the involved in this. must have been involved in this. the home secretary seemed to suggest that there no plan suggest that there was no plan b, was none of these b, there was none of these things going on. so so the politics there will depend on what next what suella braverman does next and what says the prime and what she says to the prime minister as far as the legislation itself goes, we're not clear what kind of

legislation it is . one legislation it is. one suggestion seems to be is it's legislation to declare rwanda safe , which means it would safe, which means it would bypass all our courts . now, as bypass all our courts. now, as the former supreme court judge, lord sumption, said today , you lord sumption, said today, you can change the law when you've got an unfavourable judgement against you . what you can't do against you. what you can't do is change the facts. you can't change facts. change the facts. >> declare is >> you can't declare that red is blue blue red. i mean, blue and blue is red. i mean, that's exactly his point. that's just exactly his point. absolutely let's absolutely right. so let's turn to bill cash. he actually to paul bill cash. he actually presented these sort of what they call notwithstanding clauses to, i think, to the home secretary last year. i think it was. and that was denied. you've got suella braverman this huge row . and yet today you've got row. and yet today you've got the new home secretary, mrjames cleverly, who says that , oh, cleverly, who says that, oh, it's all in hand. it's all i mean, he sounds very plausible . mean, he sounds very plausible. lots of lovely warm words . but lots of lovely warm words. but again, our viewers and listeners

, they want action. and we don't seem to get an absolute commitment . when is this commitment. when is this legislation going to happen and when's the first flight going to take off? >> your viewers and listeners want to know what's going to happen. >> and in fact, you very helpfully really explained it yourself in your opening questions. you said, why isn't this like coronavirus virus? they can get their coronavirus stuff straightaway. stuff through straightaway. why can't do it with this? can't they do it with this? >> and what's the answer? the answer is the of answer to that is the house of lords. when you've got something that political that commands political consensus across both houses, you something through you can get something through pretty but rishi pretty quickly. but if rishi sunak a bill ready to go and sunak has a bill ready to go and we can come back to that in a moment. if he has, he can get it through the commons, but he's going a of trouble going to have a lot of trouble getting lords. getting it through the lords. it's another fantastic reason to get wretched of get rid of the wretched house of lords tough. well lords sufficiently tough. well i don't know if there's time to do that general. no, that before a general. no, there's not. >> i'm saying you're the leader of political of a different political party. >> to win >> you're going to have to win the rid of the lords. >> but, but but in a serious point, you've got an unelected house that essentially what

you're is going stall you're saying is going to stall the the people and the the will of the people and the will of the prime minister who want stopped. want the boat stopped. and apparently the rwanda scheme is the way to this. >> that us to the very >> and that takes us to the very next point, which is if the lords holds up, rishi sunak lords holds it up, rishi sunak will choice, is will have a choice, which is, is he going to put his proposal before the people in a general election ? so i think the net election? so i think the net effect of this week has been to make early general election make an early general election more likely rather than less. >> interesting >> that's very interesting indeed. you agree with indeed. nigel, do you agree with that, this possibly brings that, that this possibly brings forward the likely timing of a general election in order for the prime ministers to say this is the will of the people? yeah i think it's becoming increasingly likely that the election rather election will be sooner rather than later . than later. >> what rishi sunak was >> and what rishi sunak was hoping was good news down hoping for was good news down the were at the road. so we were looking at october. yes , if you if you october. but yes, if you if you decide to make it a small boats election and he's being thwarted in the lords, think paul's in the lords, i think paul's absolutely that's what's absolutely right. that's what's going to happen. they're they're going to happen. they're they're going whole up going to hold the whole thing up . to the . he could well go to the country say , right, is country and say, right, this is what promise. now,

what i'm going to promise. now, whether or not that will involve leaving european leaving the european the european human rights, european court of human rights, whatever it might be, but you could actually see that's pretty unlikely because he's now got a home secretary who's on record as saying there's no need to leave. that's right. and rishi sunak that. sunak was was against that. i mean, started mean, he suddenly started talking tough. i think he was really suella really badly hurt by suella braverman and that's why braverman letter and that's why he started doing it. doing what he's isn't the truth he's doing isn't isn't the truth here, up here, gentlemen, just to wrap up that , the government sent £140 that, the government sent £140 million to rwanda. >> apparently , and heaven knows >> apparently, and heaven knows how many tens of millions have been blown on legal fees and other stuff, give or take, is well north of £150 million. we've got nothing to show for it. it may or may not happen before the general election. it's a massive waste of time and money, it? paul goodman i money, isn't it? paul goodman i don't the scheme is don't think the scheme is a waste of time. >> is took the >> the truth is he took the wrong advice and suella wrong legal advice and suella braverman right wrong legal advice and suella brave advice right wrong legal advice and suella brave advice and right wrong legal advice and suella brave advice and he right wrong legal advice and suella brave advice and he firedright wrong legal advice and suella brave advice and he fired her. legal advice and he fired her. >> what does that say? and he fired her. what does that say about his judgement? >> more suella >> rather more to suella braverman the braverman future than the advice. mean, there was what

advice. i mean, there was what she said about homelessness and rough she said rough sleeping is what she said about marches and there's rough sleeping is what she said abo whole marches and there's rough sleeping is what she said abo whole question and there's rough sleeping is what she said abowhole question ofj there's rough sleeping is what she said abowhole question ofj thereable the whole question of being able to cooperate a team. so to cooperate as a team. so actually, i very actually, i think very interesting question. >> the westminster >> that's that's the westminster blob getting rid of her as opposed to people who want opposed to the people who want who good strategic advice. who want good strategic advice. >> able to govern >> i have to be able to govern coherently. govern coherently. if you can't govern coherently, you won't deliver anything . anything. >> there's >> well, there's nothing coherent this coherent about not getting this policy done. as far as i can see. i mean, it's just a waste of money. will of time and money. this will never deterrent. it was a never be a deterrent. it was a gimmick. gimmick. so gimmick. it's a gimmick. so i mean, you said, £140 million mean, as you said, £140 million already spent. >> that's you'll probably >> that's gone. you'll probably only be able to get a few hundred asylum seekers over there if they ever go. and i think they won't. but if they ever would cost ever went there, it would cost about £600,000 each. you could keep one of them in a hotel for 12 years. that, i tell you 12 years. for that, i tell you what, folks, thank very what, folks, thank you very much. >> my panel. we're in the wrong business. should the business. we should be in the refurbing hotels business in rwanda. could have rwanda. just think we could have a £140 million. a piece of that £140 million. thank you to panel. we'll be thank you to my panel. we'll be seeing a bit later. now seeing them a bit later. now now, earlier we'd

now, i told you earlier we'd have the first pictures of nigel taking i'm celebrity . taking part in i'm a celebrity. well, let's just take a look. there. he is. goodness me, there. there he is. goodness me, he with. you recognise he is with. will you recognise them morning? host josie them this morning? host josie gibson and influencer and youtuben gibson and influencer and youtuber. someone i must confess, i haven't heard of nella rose. thank you very much, panel nella rose. thank you very much, panel. coming up, so do, panel. coming up, so much to do, but anywhere . it is, of but don't go anywhere. it is, of course, farage inaya tour , our course, farage inaya tour, our special . on patrick christys special. on patrick christys tonight, 9 to 11 pm. i expose more pro—palestine protest madness . madness. >> all right. okay >> all right. okay >> okay. >> okay. >> right. you're killing babies. you're killing babies as kids are now being taken out of school to go on marches , school to go on marches, princess diana's closest confidante , paul burrell, confidante, paul burrell, delivers his exclusive verdict on the crown's controversial final season. >> patrick christys tonight kicks off 9:00 pm. you have to be there

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>> welcome back. my friends. i'm richard tice. i'm standing for in nigel and jacob jacobs. richard tice. i'm standing for in nigel and jacob jacobs . he's in nigel and jacob jacobs. he's taken the night off to go to some other broadcasting channel. heaven knows why . but anyway, heaven knows why. but anyway, we're here until nine, when patrick christys has got an outstanding show. some extraordinary footage from yet another protest that's gone badly wrong , another protest that's gone badly wrong, in my view. now, before the break, i asked you, can rich's new rwanda plan work ? can rich's new rwanda plan work? can it work? it's supposed to be an emergency . jenny says there an emergency. jenny says there is no rwanda plan. it's all propaganda to. let's hear what simon says. simon says rishi hasn't got the stomach or the decisiveness to deal with the immigration problem. he's just a journeyman . wow. journeyman journeyman. wow. journeyman going through the motions as prime minister. whereas isabella says she's a bit more optimistic. yes rishi can take action and yes , he'll get the action and yes, he'll get the planes off to rwanda to go rishi, go . love it. excellent rishi, go. love it. excellent optimism there from isabella. ceune optimism there from isabella. celine says, i very much doubt it from all that i've heard and read. his promise will be

broken. there we are . for broken. there we are. for goodness me. well, all of this is just one part of a huge week of news. but the other one obviously is the ceasefire row. we've had many resignations , we've had many resignations, motions both from labour councillors , but also labour mps councillors, but also labour mps resign running from the front bench. ten of them, including yasmin qureshi, jess phillips, 56 labour mps. overall all voted in favour of the snp amendment to the king's speech. demand a ceasefire. just think about that .labour ceasefire. just think about that . labour mps voting for the snp amendment. we also saw protests in parliament square yesterday. but we'll sit here. i mean, can he survive this? how much will the pressure grow from here? with me now is the former labour adviser scarlett mccgwire to discuss this and i'm also the journalist andy no has arrived. fresh from the demonstration down at bethnal green . these pro down at bethnal green. these pro hamas pro—palestine protest scarlett to you first.

fascinating time. i mean keir starmer so far is holding firm roe v wade mostly taking the same line basically as the prime minister. not calling for a ceasefire . can he can he hold ceasefire. can he can he hold this line? how big is this pressure or is that it? >> no, i think there's very little pressure. i mean , today little pressure. i mean, today i've spoken to people from both people who voted against the snp with in line with keir and people who voted with for the ceasefire . and they both they ceasefire. and they both they all say the same actually . what all say the same actually. what they say is it's over. i mean what it was was it i mean in a way it was a conscience vote. keir made it said if you're on the front bench, if you're a shadow minister, you will either resign or i will sack you . and resign or i will sack you. and that's what he did to the ten people who rebelled who were on the front bench and the others weren't. >> and when you say it's a

conscience vote, but actually all of those who've resigned, i think i'm right are saying they've all got very significant . aren't muslim communities .aren't muslim communities within their constituency. so is it a conscience vote or is it actually a sort of pragmatic politics within their constituency? well i mean, i certainly think it's about listening to their constituents. >> i mean, that's what jess phillips said is i've listened to the people of yardley and this what they want to do. this is what they want me to do. but i mean, i think, look, what everybody in the labour party wants is an end to the fighting. there's absolutely no question. everybody in every party, everybody, absolutely everybody wants it's how you get it's an and there is an. absolutely. so we all agree that what we want is an end to the killings in gaza. but what the question is whether it's a pause . and i whether it's a pause. and i mean, frankly, i'm not talking about a four hour pause. i mean, about a four hour pause. i mean, a pause to be meaningful so that you get aid in is days or

whether it's a ceasefire, an end. and what i mean, there are real differences is about tactics. but in the end, everybody wants the same. now i've heard that actually the opposite that this could grow the pressure could grow. >> and the question i guess, is whether in some constituency where there's a very significant muslim community, is it possible that you will see independent muslim candidate stand against a labour candidate ? and is that labour candidate? and is that why some of these labour mps are so anxious? and could that vote almost like a sort of i use the word carefully, almost like a block vote, go towards a different candidate? yeah obviously. >> i mean if you look at what what is happening in in bow and bethnal green i mean i mean around rushanara ali's constituency they are trying i mean i would say they're trying to bully her into changing her mind right . and so there is no mind right. and so there is no question that just the way your party is going to stand against the tories in the hope that

you're going to lose it for them. and very nicely labour will win that . and that's what will win that. and that's what you're going is , is that, you're going to do is, is that, is that that the if there are independent muslim candidates, they will split the vote . but they will split the vote. but that's where the pressure is coming from. not talking about parliament. >> i'm going to andy now >> i'm going to turn to andy now because you've been down at some of the protests. you've been a lot the protests. you've been lot of the protests. you've been at bethnal green today. just give me tone the protest at bethnal green today. just give when tone the protest at bethnal green today. just give when theye the protest at bethnal green today. just give when they started. protest at bethnal green today. just give when they started. isotest from when they started. is the tone or actually tone similar or is it actually getting getting more aggressive, more unpleasant? >> well, five and a half weeks since the protest started week by week. generally, i notice people are becoming more angry . people are becoming more angry. and of course, another element to the protest has been religious extremism . i was just religious extremism. i was just in tower hamlets covering the direct action protests outside the labour party office at and the labour party office at and the sentiment being expressed there was that the mp that's right. >> well, just look at some footage whilst you're talking,

andy, of some of this from, from patrick today you can see it there but but keep going. what how it within these how bad is it within these crowds? you've done a lot of footage yourself. >> well the people want violent but they were expressing , i but they were expressing, i would say, extreme views viewing this mp not just as someone who voted in a way that they disagreed with, but rather it was a traitor , not strong was a traitor, not strong language. yes. and comments onune language. yes. and comments online directed at her. i saw kept bringing up that perhaps she wasn't really a muslim because of the way she had voted. and over and over at these demonstrations in just last night , i these demonstrations in just last night, i was covering them in central london. people are not just only chanting political slogans. they're also chanting the islamic faith, creed and other religious statements. and so , i mean, there's really an so, i mean, there's really an opportunity here for radical islamists, which your country has a problem with, to recruit into radicalised people is your

sense that this is significant, worse than the first couple of demonstrations in the first week? >> i don't know if i would say significantly worse. >> is it worse? but i would say worse in that just last night in the demonstrations, i've covered, i hadn't seen drivers being surrounded and threatened and their vehicles hit like it happenedin and their vehicles hit like it happened in last night. so there's it's looking more and more like what's normal in america. >> my concern, andy, is , is that >> my concern, andy, is, is that thatis >> my concern, andy, is, is that that is sort of emboldening the protesters, scarlett. i mean , protesters, scarlett. i mean, just interesting hearing that these protests are getting worse, but not significantly worse. it just feels to me that they've been they've been emboldened by what i think is weak policing. >> well , i weak policing. >> well, i think if you're a policeman that you've got to think very hard about what it's like when you're in a minority and you've got a lot of people. i mean, i actually think i mean, i mean, i actually think i mean, i think i haven't been down to

the bethnal green ones. i don't know what it was like , but i know what it was like, but i think it's it what the police have done is , is that they've have done is, is that they've they've been policing it and then they've been making the arrests afterwards. and rather than picking people out of a crowd, i don't think it's about weak policing. i mean, i do think the problem is, is that people feel very, very passionately . and then what is passionately. and then what is worrying is listening to andy, is that that people with extreme religious views are taking over, whereas i mean, i bow to andy but on the on the on the big marches on the saturday marches , marches on the saturday marches, you had lots and lots of young people . you had lots and lots of old. >> this was and this is i think you're right scarlet it's the worry that essentially the extremists are taking over. and i'm very but only in this particular case. >> i'm very worried about only using using children for very controversial political means . controversial political means. but is but, richard richard, it's very important. this is

tower hamlets . this is one tower hamlets. this is one place. this isn't what's happening everywhere. but. right. and i don't want you to start saying this. this is what the protests are about . most of the protests are about. most of the protests are about. most of the protests are about. most of the protests up until now, the saturday protests have been peaceful. right >> that that deeply anti—semitic i >> -- >> some of the some of the people on it are deeply anti—semitic . anti—semitic. >> you talk about tower hamlets, but if you're not careful, we'll have we'll have children in in in other towns and cities also being taken out and used. and that would, i think, be very, very bad. >> well, i hope not, because i think that what every parent needs to remember is that every school day matters every child. >> absolutely right. scarlet on that. thank that. we absolutely agree. thank you thank you to you to scarlet. thank you to andy. , my panel andy. coming up, my panel will be looking autumn be looking at the autumn statement is fast statement, which is fast approaching week . rumours statement, which is fast aptaxiching week . rumours statement, which is fast aptax cutsg week . rumours statement, which is fast aptax cuts , week . rumours statement, which is fast aptax cuts , really, eek . rumours statement, which is fast aptax cuts , really, mr . rumours statement, which is fast aptax cuts , really, mr huntnours statement, which is fast aptax cuts , really, mr hunt ,ours of tax cuts, really, mr hunt, could you expect to keep more of your own money in your pocket? that'd be a nice change. all of that farage this two

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radio . radio. >> welcome back. my friends, to this two hour farage special. and yes , some good news and yes, some good news possibly. we need to look ahead to next week's autumn statement. the telegraph is reporting that the prime minister may actually cut tax raise the rate of inheritance tax. treasury officials have reportedly found the cut wouldn't be in inflationary. well, i'm delighted now to be joined by rachel henry, who's the head of advocacy and policy justice advocacy and policy at justice uk. is that a good idea? rachel to cut inheritance tax ? a very to cut inheritance tax? a very good evening . good evening. >> hello, richard. thanks very much for having me on. it's actually where i'm from. tax justice uk . so i don't think justice uk. so i don't think this is a priority at all. i think, you know, it really reeks of a government looking for sort of a government looking for sort of political opportunism over what people actually want . what what people actually want. what people really want is investment in public services. you know ,

in public services. you know, people are crying out for the ability to be able to get a gp appointment, you know, for the, you know, schools not to be crumbling around their children for, you know , old people to be for, you know, old people to be taken care of properly. and, you know , i think really, if there's know, i think really, if there's any headroom in the public finances , we absolutely have to finances, we absolutely have to be investing in public services, not prioritising tax cuts for a tiny amount of rich people and rachel, obviously we've got the highest taxes , i think for 70 years. >> we've got to get some growth in the economy . surely the way in the economy. surely the way to get growth is possible if to put more money back into people's pockets, maybe from your perspective, it wouldn't be an inheritance tax. but would you support a cut in tax for small businesses or lifting the threshold on the income tax for the lowest paid the least well off so , look, i think there's off so, look, i think there's a couple of points there . couple of points there. >> you know, this thing that is often touted about, you know, being a 70 year, you know,

tactile burden, actually, we've had historically really low levels of tax in the uk . so this levels of tax in the uk. so this recent increase really puts us in the middle of the pack compared to comparative countries. so i think really if we want high quality public services, we need to be willing to invest in them. i do think you bring up a really interesting point, though, about who pays that tax. so i think at the moment isn't, you know, the burden of tax really does fall on wages and workers and people who earn their income from wealth and, you know, have a lot of property or get their income from, you know, dividends or landlords or all of that sort of stuff, they pay much lower rates of than if you go out to of tax than if you go out to work for a living. and that's and that's absolutely right, rachel, because because is actually the government has frozen thresholds at the at the lowest level for many years now which has dragged some of the lowest the lowest paid into the tax net. yes. so you know, you

do you do you have seen that . do you do you have seen that. but really, i think the argument needs to also be about who pays it at the top end . so there's it at the top end. so there's really problematic issues there. so, for example, one of the big examples, you know , our prime examples, you know, our prime minister happens to be lucky enough to be one of the 250 richest people in the uk . he richest people in the uk. he pays a lower rate of tax than a nurse , and that's because of nurse, and that's because of capital gains tax . so he earns a capital gains tax. so he earns a lot of his, you know , income lot of his, you know, income from, you know , shares from from, you know, shares from business and dividends and things like that. >> so what would you like to do? would like regularise would you like to regularise income tax capital gains income tax and capital gains tax? finally . tax? just finally. >> exactly . yes. we think that >> exactly. yes. we think that there's no reason for that because you go out to work for a living, you should be paying a much higher rate of tax than somebody who earns earns their income wealth. it . income from wealth. got it. rachel, about who pays rachel, there's a about who pays tax in the uk . tax in the uk. >> rachel, thank you so much indeed for your thoughts there.

that's henry from tax that's rachel henry from tax justice uk . fascinating justice uk. fascinating gentlemen, my panel. nigel we've got the highest taxes for 70 years. we've got no growth wherever there's high taxes, there's no growth anywhere. frankly across the euro zone . if frankly across the euro zone. if the chancellor's got some cash, i mean, he should be he should be cutting taxes. >> well , the problem about >> well, the problem about cutting taxes and it depends which which taxes you cut, obviously , the problem about obviously, the problem about thatis obviously, the problem about that is it's inflationary . so that is it's inflationary. so the first thing you got to do is get inflation back to 2. that's is the point where you can start i >> -- >> it's not if lam em >> it's not if you cut vat, let's say, by 2, mathematically , let's say, by 2, mathematically, i.e. you reduce . inflation yeah, i.e. you reduce. inflation yeah, it's a question of fact because pnces it's a question of fact because prices come down. >> sorry. i can see that. i can see that one. >> nil, folks. >> nil, folks. >> yep. that's that's right. >> yep. that's that's all right. yeah. inheritance tax yeah. on the inheritance tax one, which an interesting one, which is an interesting one. reason that he's one. the reason that he's talking doing he's talking about doing it is he's under some under pressure to cut some taxes. yes inheritance tax. the treasury is right. it's not inflationary. if you inherit a load of dosh , you tend not to go

load of dosh, you tend not to go and splurge it. you don't splurge your inheritance problem with this is it only it only works for the rich. only four and 100 people actually. well dead people actually pay any kind of inheritance . inheritance tax. >> so. so why would they do it? to appeal to their base purely to show they're cutting taxes. >> so it looks as if they're cutting taxes. but what it doesn't do is anything for the i'm crisis. i'm pretty sure crisis. >> pretty sure. remember >> i'm pretty sure. i remember back goodman back in about 2008, paul goodman , that the then shadow chancellor, george osborne, promised to lift the thresholds on inheritance tax, almost get rid of it. here we are 15 years later. nothing's happened . so later. nothing's happened. so here we are. >> and i'd like to take you even further back because you and i grew in the great days of grew up in the great days of margaret a tax margaret thatcher, who was a tax cutting, conservative prime minister. also believed minister. but she also believed in controlling spending . and in controlling spending. and that, of course, is what went wrong. i'm afraid. under liz truss, when you were offered tax cuts the spending cuts without the spending control, so what? jeremy hunt has got to do in the autumn

statement prove he can statement is prove he can control spending and use some of the windfall we think the windfall that we think he has to some taxes . has had to cut some taxes. >> capable of doing that >> is he capable of doing that in seriousness? in all seriousness? because because warm words from because we hear warm words from various different government ministers. i don't ministers. but i haven't i don't recall hearing jeremy hunt talk about cutting spending . about cutting spending. >> we'll find out if he's capable of cutting taxes in the autumn in fact , they autumn statement. in fact, they are down on the growth are bearing down on the growth in reasonably well. but in spending reasonably well. but he's got to keep doing it in order to get those tax, in order to get those tax bearing down on the growth is not the same as cutting public spending quite right. done right. but no one's ever done that thatcher did was that margaret thatcher did was reduce the rate of growth. what the was reduce the coalition did was reduce the rate growth. you're going the coalition did was reduce the rate public1. you're going the coalition did was reduce the rate public spending, going to cut public spending, absolutely . that means taking to cut public spending, absolutely. that means taking a great big tire revisionary knife to the whole of the welfare state. >> but actually what you really do, it comes back to this word growth. you've got to get the you've got to get the economy growing and put more money into people's then people's pockets. you then get activity generates growth, activity that generates growth, that generates tax revenue, goes back exactly started,

back to exactly where i started, which have to control which is you have to control your spending and cut your taxes. >> that's the classic way thatcher and that's what thatcher did it. and that's what the to do, what the government needs to do, what they do. the government needs to do, what the but do. the government needs to do, what the but nigel, io. can't. >> but nigel, you can't. >> but nigel, you can't. >> you do then is put >> what you can't do then is put too much money in people's pockets then inflation. pockets and then fuel inflation. at we're actually at the moment we're actually getting top it. food getting on top of it. food inflation still very high, inflation is still very high, but the the base base but the broad, the base base figure is going down. rishi sunak has met the target. he set himself , sunak has met the target. he set himself, although he didn't have anything to do with it. but he has met that. so but the more money you put in people's pockets, the more money that floats around the economy, higher will be. higher inflation will be. >> but actually, we're not saying that. we're talking about if unnecessary if you actually cut unnecessary government spending there's government spending and there's plenty there, then plenty of waste out there, then that's money in that's not putting more money in people's pockets. >> been cutting spending people's pockets. >> a been cutting spending people's pockets. >> a timer cutting spending for a long time. >> there's loads of waste. everybody waste all over everybody sees waste all over the place. viewers the place. my viewers and listeners, mad. listeners, it drives you mad. seeing wasteful government spending question is , well, >> and the question is, well, the question is, can they cut it or are they incapable of cutting? >> i think they're already

cutting the growth in spending. >> right. the question next week is, are they going to be able to cut any taxes? that's the really interesting one. i suspect they probably because if they probably will, because if they cut in the spring when you're cut it in the spring when you're kind of nearer a general election, frankly , it looks and election, frankly, it looks and is desperate. so if if they is desperate. so if they if they have some money now, it be have some money now, it would be good also good for good for them, but also good for the and good your the economy and good for your viewers think they might >> so you think they might actually actually do cut as actually actually do the cut as opposed promise a cut some actually actually do the cut as opposin promise a cut some actually actually do the cut as opposin the promise a cut some actually actually do the cut as opposin the futuree a cut some actually actually do the cut as opposin the future ?a cut some point in the future? >> well, there's no point in just promising a cut. you actually you actually have just promising a cut. you ac'dolly you actually have just promising a cut. you ac'do it. you actually have to do it. >> that's that's what >> that's that's that's what they they promise all the they do. they promise all the time. we keep hearing and time. we keep hearing it and the promises delivered. promises never get delivered. and insane. and it drives us all insane. >> they always say equally >> but they always say equally that have to happen that it will have to happen after is conquered. after inflation is conquered. well i mean, well that's just i mean, honestly, i don't hold with that. >> i mean, inflation is largely caused by the supply. it's caused by the money supply. it's what the money what you do with the money supply. largely in supply. and that's largely in the the think the hands of the bank. i think the hands of the bank. i think the tax is secondary. the role of tax is secondary. >> you interesting. well, i >> do you interesting. well, i think mathematically, you think mathematically, if you reduce prices, that reduce consumer prices, that reduces inflation and it creates more growth. but anyway,

gentlemen, thank you so much indeed for your thoughts on that. what do you want to see? we'll be talking about that the autumn statement next week , of autumn statement next week, of course. coming up after the course. but coming up after the break, season , break, the final season, thankfully, of the crown has aired today. it started, but it's received a huge backlash after its showing princess diana . unbelievable as a ghost. after its showing princess diana . unbelievable as a ghost . at . unbelievable as a ghost. at >> previously on breakfast. >> previously on breakfast. >> what do we do? know that rwanda plan has failed. time for a solution . a solution. >> stanley johnson joins us this morning. we do have to get immigration under control. >> this policy of discouragement did work in the case of australia. we have it australia. we have to make it work if we had 3 or 4 work here. if we had 3 or 4 years, he could perhaps make this play. >> but hasn't. he's to november. >> here's grant. harold he's a man that knows the workings of the people like the royals, that is, people like myself are around, who are myself who are around, who are aware myself who are true 1d, who are myself who are true and/ho are myself who are true and untrue. aware of what's true and untrue. >> and it'll be interesting to see christmas

see is a turkey this christmas the way to go? >> you know, tradition isn't just about presents and everything. it's actually about the families i >> -- >> you know, turkey is our individuals. they form loving family like we do. family bonds just like we do. and they deserve some this christmas. >> every morning it's breakfast from hope you can join

us >> welcome back, my friends, to the last segment of farage, this two hour special before patrick christys at nine. he's got some more extraordinary footage. yes, indeed. more extraordinary footage. yes, indeed . of his interactions with indeed. of his interactions with those kind and peaceful protesters. well here we are, the first half of the final season of this series of the crown has been released today. some people have actually watched it literally the whole lot this morning . it shows lot this morning. it shows princess diana as a ghost after her fatal tragic crash. and the ghost says, you know , i loved ghost says, you know, i loved you so much, so painfully too

well, it's over now. be easier for everyone with me gone . admit for everyone with me gone. admit you've had that thought already . you've had that thought already. well, that's had a huge backlash. multiple multiple, one and just two star reviews . and and just two star reviews. and diana's ghost for poor writing . diana's ghost for poor writing. so we put a poll out there. we asked you, is it distain for princess diana to be portrayed as a ghost in this new and final season of the crown ? here we season of the crown? here we are. the results are in. nearly 82% said yes, it is distasteful . 82% said yes, it is distasteful. and just 18.3% said no. it is not. well, i'm delighted to be joined now by former bbc royal correspondent down the line, jennie bond. good evening, jenny. have watched all of jenny. have you watched all of the episodes this morning? are you fully informed ? you fully informed? >> i you know, i was so busy to talking to people rather like you that i haven't watched the whole of them, but i have watched the first one and skimmed through others and skimmed through the others and i have a fairly clear idea of what

peter morgan was attempting to do. and in my view, it has not come off and it is tasteless as tasteless as i thought it was going to be when i first heard that he was going to portray diana as a ghost, i honestly thought it was a sick joke . but thought it was a sick joke. but it isn't. it'sjust thought it was a sick joke. but it isn't. it's just sick and my heart goes out to william and harry because i can't imagine how they feel. no king i don't know if they will watch. i don't think we will watch. but knowing that their mother is being brought back in this way, i mean, how would anyone feel having relatively recently having their relatively recently dead mother portrayed on screen for the delectation and entertainment of the world? it's sick and so essentially, jenny, this series, all these seasons , this series, all these seasons, it seems to me that it's got worse and worse as the i mean, i've lost track of how many seasons there are, but as as it's got nearer sort of modern day, it's got worse and worse . day, it's got worse and worse. yeah.i day, it's got worse and worse. yeah. i actually in the

yeah. i mean, actually in the beginning i liked it. i mean, it's terrifically glossy . it's it's terrifically glossy. it's so well acted . and the script in so well acted. and the script in the beginning was quite good. i don't know if that's the distance of time, the fact that i wasn't reporting on the royals then i've only read about it. there's certainly true that, you know, we couldn't go back and look youtube or many proper look at youtube or many proper news reports . just sort of pathe news reports. just sort of pathe news of those early years, which were terrifically differential . were terrifically differential. now if anyone wants to. so i like them. i thought were like them. i thought they were interesting actually i think interesting and actually i think the queen quite enjoyed them. interesting and actually i think the lateen quite enjoyed them. interesting and actually i think the late queen, enjoyed them. interesting and actually i think the late queen, ianjoyed them. interesting and actually i think the late queen, i understand n. the late queen, i understand that she to watch it on that she used to watch it on sunday as it was sunday evenings as it was projected onto a screen. um one of her rooms there. and i think she quite liked some of it. indeed her granddaughter, princess eugenie , was overheard princess eugenie, was overheard saying granny loves it. so i think those early theories were okay. but these are this new one. it's too close. it's too close to what we know to be reality . and if you really want reality. and if you really want to know what's happened and there are so many channels now

and of course, you can go to and see it for yourself. >> and this . exactly. and this >> and this. exactly. and this is isn't jenny, is the problem, isn't it, jenny, that actually people think that this they think this this is reality. they think this is it's is this is fact, whereas it's not fiction . not it's fiction. >> that is a real problem. i mean, you know, in a way, it's positive for the royal family that younger people are so engaged about them now. they're all interested. people come up to me, young people, and say, oh, my gosh, is that really true? you oh, i didn't true? you know, oh, i didn't really about the royal really think about the royal family before, but now this is really dramatic, really interesting. and i have to sort of disabuse them and say, look, this isn't the jenny, but it's andifs this isn't the jenny, but it's and it's part of the mystique, part of the magic. >> i feel all is lost there. jennie bond thank you so much for sharing those thoughts with me about your views on the latest season of the crown will likely be joined in the studio. angela levin you have been an absolute heroine. you've watched all of them morning . how all of them this morning. how many you watched many episodes have you watched thisyes . >> yes. >> yes. >> and come on then, you don't look utterly thrilled, i have to

say . say. >> well, it gets worse as it goes on. and actually, you're quite right about diana, as a ghost. it's too horrible to remember because prince charles goes home and he's crying and crying and suddenly you see this beautiful girl, diana, with a sleeveless black top and make up hair done and earrings the same as she wore beforehand . and as she wore beforehand. and sitting on a chair opposite him on a plane as he's flying back from france and having a nice chat. and you think this is absolutely hideous . and then she absolutely hideous. and then she p°ps absolutely hideous. and then she popsis absolutely hideous. and then she pops is hideous. she pops into the queen anne and has a chat to her and the queen responds to her and the queen responds to her as well. and the conversation is not only stilted, but you think obviously the person who wrote this couldn't think of anything else to say. it's terrible. and dodi, who was her boyfriend then and also got killed in the car

crash, he goes in and speak to his father, who's very disappointed because he wanted her. so they really majoring on this sort of this ghost theme as though nothing like ghosts. you know, grey it know, if they were in grey or it was very misty and you couldn't see anybody properly , you would see anybody properly, you would actually feel slightly warmer. but to see someone dressed smartly sitting there as if they're meeting like you they're at a meeting like you and crossing each other is and i crossing each other is just ridic clueless. >> and so that in a sense that which episode does that come in or are we spilling too much of the beans? >> almost the last one, and then carries rest of it? well, carries on the rest of it? well, the rest of it afterwards is, you know, the funeral and a lot of that is taken of the original filming of that. of that is taken of the original filming of that . but what's filming of that. but what's interesting is that harry said to me, because i wrote his biography, right. he said to me he couldn't bear people crying because they didn't know his mother . and because they didn't know his mother. and that made him unable to cry for x number of years . to cry for x number of years. however, they make sure that

william is actually saying this. so they've taken all harry's feelings. he'll be furious. yeah. and put it under william. but the other thing that's quite interesting is that harry said interesting is that harry said in his own book, spare that , in his own book, spare that, that he, his father didn't cuddle him or hold him when he came in to tell them that his mother was killed and in fact, the they don't care about that in the crown. they make sure he's held him and stroked him. and you know, being terribly nice. and so they didn't even listen to what harry has said very strongly. >> and people watch it or not. >> and people watch it or not. >> well, i mean, at the beginning, it's all right. it depends what you like. but just remember , it is not this is the remember, it is not this is the key point is not true. if you want to see some sort of nonsense going on with everybody attacked for something that's wrong with them, the king, the queen, camilla, everybody. but it's not real. it's not none of

it's not real. it's not none of it's real. >> the danger is that young people think it is real. angela levin, journalist, royal biographer, thank you so much indeed. an absolute star indeed. what an absolute star watching episodes this watching all six episodes this morning. that she could help morning. so that she could help us. talking helping us, us. talking of helping us, patrick mean, patrick christie, i mean, i think need actually, think you need help, actually, because the only because you've been the only ones to say that . but seriously , ones to say that. but seriously, you've got some extraordinary footage. again then on more protests. i mean, where does this end? i'm so concerned that it's getting worse. yeah well, today we focus in on the indoctrination of children being brought out school attend brought out of school to attend the pro—palestine marches and the pro—palestine marches and the of serving mps the intimidation of serving mps as well . as well. >> i attended a protest. if you thought last night's footage was was raw and shocking. what i'll bnng was raw and shocking. what i'll bring later tonight bring you later tonight is actually even worse. actually genuinely even worse. and i can't see the situation getting any better any time sooi'i. 500“. >> soon. >> and that's right. and it's the in a sense, it's the emboldening of the more extreme elements of this that various people have been talking about this evening that actually, if the police allow this to go on and on, and now bringing in

children and i mean, do you fear that actually we'll have we'll have schools up and down the country this? country doing this? >> we will. so tomorrow >> yeah, we will. so tomorrow there's to be student there's going to be a student strike. as young as strike. so children as young as ten even could be out strike. so children as young as terthe even could be out strike. so children as young as terthe streets. could be out strike. so children as young as terthe streets. look, could be out strike. so children as young as terthe streets. look, i'llld be out strike. so children as young as terthe streets. look, i'll juste out on the streets. look, i'll just say very quickly and very say this very quickly and very simply. of the media say this very quickly and very simply. to of the media say this very quickly and very simply. to want of the media say this very quickly and very simply. to want to the media say this very quickly and very simply. to want to coveriedia say this very quickly and very simply. to want to cover alla say this very quickly and very simply. to want to cover all of appears to want to cover all of this stuff up. i don't i'll expose nine over 11. expose it. nine over 11. >> right. think >> absolutely right. i think it's important it's really important because it's really important because it's a direction of travel and the direction of at the direction of travel at the moment, frankly, is very bad indeed. we indeed. it's getting worse. we had in he's been had andy no in there. he's been looking at a number of these protests across the he protests across the whole. he says worse, says it's getting worse, possibly not significantly worse anyway , patrick, have a great anyway, patrick, have a great show. that'll be fascinating . show. that'll be fascinating. ang, take it easy. maybe tomorrow . that's we've tomorrow night. that's all we've got folks. after this got time for, folks. after this two special . we two hour farage special. we will, course, be looking at will, of course, be looking at all of this, the news. but first, the all important . weather >> good evening. alex burkill here again with your latest gb news weather forecast . whilst news weather forecast. whilst for many, tomorrow is going to be a largely dry day, we do have some rain to get rid of first

this evening. that's in association front that's association with a front that's pushing way west pushing its way from west to east. has already brought east. it has already brought some across parts of some heavy rain across parts of northern ireland earlier today and into western and is now pushing into western parts of scotland, england and across some heavy across wales to some heavy outbreaks as it makes its way eastwards. the rain should eastwards. but the rain should break up somewhat through the night. northeast night. some parts of northeast scotland will stay largely dry with clear skies , some mist, with clear skies, some mist, some some frost. here some fog and some frost. here elsewhere, behind elsewhere, clear skies behind the rain will allow temperatures to of a dip. so a to take a bit of a dip. so a chilly start on friday morning with some patches of fog, perhaps freezing perhaps even some freezing fog in spots to fog should in some spots to any fog should largely clear as we go through the and should the morning. and it should be a mostly plenty mostly fine day. plenty of sunshine , too. just few sunshine, too. just a few showers, most likely towards western england, western parts of england, perhaps . these will western parts of england, perhias . these will western parts of england, perhias we . these will western parts of england, perhias we go . these will western parts of england, perhias we go into these will western parts of england, perhias we go into thezse will ease as we go into the afternoon. notice then some more cloud some rain pushing its cloud and some rain pushing its way in from the southwest later on. temperatures for many a little bit higher than today. still a chilly little bit higher than today. stilltowards a chilly little bit higher than today. stilltowards the a chilly little bit higher than today. stilltowards the north, illy little bit higher than today. stilltowards the north, turning feel towards the north, turning milder towards the south—west, then and windy weather then wet and windy weather spilling across all parts as we go overnight into saturday. so

it does look like it's going to be a fairly weekend. be a fairly unsettled weekend. the from the the greatest impacts from the rain will be south—west rain will be in the south—west where already saturated where we have already saturated ground. then as we go ground. but then as we go through sunday and into monday , through sunday and into monday, it's going to be a bit more showery. drier spells showery. so some drier spells in between rain and between the rain and temperatures after temperatures dipping after a mild the weekend

well . this is patrick christys well. this is patrick christys tonight . tonight. >> a. aidan magee on you. >> a. aidan magee on you. >> shame on you. shame on you . >> shame on you. shame on you. >> shame on you. shame on you. >> intimidation , extremism and >> intimidation, extremism and child indoctrination on the streets. i expose what the rest of the media seems desperate to cover up about the pro—palestine protest . tonight's shocking protest. tonight's shocking footage comes from outside a labour mps office in bethnal

green . our new home secretary green. our new home secretary wants to outlaw climbing on war memorials . tonight's memorials. tonight's controversial clash features one lady who thinks desecrating war monuments is absolutely fine . is monuments is absolutely fine. is our new foreign secretary david cameron, a national security threat? ann widdecombe gets stuck into that. and prince harry's mouthpiece , ahmed harry's mouthpiece, ahmed scobie's bombshell book, trashing the royal family is picked apart by royal masterminds lady c and phil dampier. and on my sofa tonight, it is the tempestuous trio of alison pearson. we've got lord shaun bailey and lovely lefty amy nicholl. this is patrick christys tonight. and we're live well if you thought yesterday's protest footage was bad , you protest footage was bad, you ain't seen nothing yet. make sure you stay tuned for that. should police do more to protect our monuments, though? gb views

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