i'm going to be commentators. i'm going to be asking what social media companies are doing to keep our young people safe. and if such content should even be allowed at all. and as the nhs offers an £100,000 contract for tackling anti racism, i'll be investigating whether our national health service really is caring for us all, or if frankly woke, activists are taking advantage of the bloated budget of the health care system and do get in touch your views much more important than mine . much more important than mine. vaiews@gbnews.com or send us a message on our socials. where at at gb news. but first, here's the news with . aaron the news with. aaron >> very good afternoon to you. it's a minute past one. aaron armstrong here in the gb newsroom. the chancellor says the government is acting responsibly suggestions responsibly amid suggestions tax cuts in next cuts will be announced in next week's statement. jeremy

week's autumn. statement. jeremy hunt told gb news he won't introduce any kind of measure that risks fuelling inflation even after it was halved over the it amid the past year. it comes amid speculation that cuts to inheritance and income tax are being considered in an effort to boost the economy. but the chancellor insists next week's statement focus on growth. statement will focus on growth. >> not going to do >> we're not going to do anything irresponsible , anything irresponsible, particularly by which i mean anything that fuels inflation because we had a big victory last week when we delivered the prime minister's pledge to halve inflation when he and i came to office, it was over 11. now it's 4.6. people watching at home, their number one concern, they say in poll after poll, is the cost of living crisis . this cost of living crisis. this makes a difference. so we're going to do this response ably. >> well, labour has criticised suggestions the government may cut taxes while also squeezing the welfare system when many people are struggling with the cost . shadow chief cost of living. shadow chief secretary to the treasury darren jones, says he wants to how

jones, says he wants to know how any will be paid for. any tax cuts will be paid for. >> we've said in the labour party that we want tax party that we want the tax burden down on working burden to come down on working people. it's the highest it has been second world war. been since the second world war. we've conservative we've had 25 conservative tax rises in this parliament alone, but we can only announce those tax cuts when they can be fully funded. and if the chancellor is going to announce a tax cut on wednesday, going to be wednesday, we're going to be looking been to looking at how he's been able to get to pay for to get the money to pay for that to happen. >> home owners could be offered up £1,000 year off their up to £1,000 per year off their household bills are household bills if they are prepared near new prepared to live near new electricity pylons. the government is hoping the move will overcome planning objections up its bid objections and speed up its bid to install infrastructure for electric vehicles. the current estimate is 14 years. it could be worth up to £10,000 over a decade for some, although the treasury hasn't specified where the money will come from . a the money will come from. a woman who acted as a fixer for people smugglers has been jailed for seven and a half years. 32 year old jayson keir mather age, who's from albania , helps

who's from albania, helps arrange small boat crossings from france to the uk for albanian nationals. she was arrested at her home in oxfordshire last year and will be deported upon her release from prison . 700,000 pupils in from prison. 700,000 pupils in england are still being taught in poorly maintained or potentially unsafe buildings because of crumbling concrete. the public accounts committee says it's limiting students educational achievements . in its educational achievements. in its report, the cross—party group described a shocking lack of detail from the department of education , meaning the true education, meaning the true scale of the crisis remains a mystery. the government, though, says its rebuilding programme is proceeding ahead of schedule . proceeding ahead of schedule. a conservative mp who was found guilty of racial abuse has announced he's standing down at the next election. bob stewart racially abused a man after he allegedly told him to go back to bahrain. outside the foreign office last december. he surrendered the tory whip while he appealed against his conviction. the mp for beckenham made no reference to the recent case, but said it had been an

honour and privilege to serve honour and a privilege to serve many buses and electric vehicles have been sent to albania as part of a deal to return foreign prisoners. the arrangement will see 200 albanian nationals currently jailed in england and wales sent back home for the rest of their sentence . the uk's rest of their sentence. the uk's also agreed to help modernise albania's prison system. the overall deal is expected to cost around £8 million, which the government says will save money for britain's prisons . the for britain's prisons. the biggest prostate cancer screening trial in decades begins today after a £42 million funding boost. the innovative trial uses methods like mri scans to detect cancer much earlier . scans to detect cancer much earlier. thousands of men across the country are participating with 1 in 10 to be from non—white communities who are much more at risk. oncologist karol sikora says it's good news. >> the problem we've got is that men don't come forward . you men don't come forward. you know, women are much better at coming forward with symptoms. they access their gp's better.

and as you know, it's quite a challenge get see your gp challenge to get to see your gp now and many with a few now and many men with a few urinary symptoms just pack up, they the whole they get bored of the whole thing and so thing and don't bother. and so often prostate cancer delayed often prostate cancer is delayed and that's the key. and this trial, which is called transform , is about seeing how it can be appued , is about seeing how it can be applied to a real huge cohort . applied to a real huge cohort. millions of men around the country . country. >> and we are also around the country on your tv, on digital radio. and if you want us on your smart speaker, say play gb news. now back to . darren news. now back to. darren >> cheers very much, aaron. let's get stuck into today's topic, shall we.7 could let's get stuck into today's topic, shall we? could we be expecting tax cuts in light of the chancellor indicating teasing us all that he could reduce business levies to boost economic growth? jeremy hunt said difficult decisions to reform the welfare state are required as he considers squeezing benefits by billions

while slashing inheritance tax. but after being burned once by liz truss mini—budget, can the markets handle more tax slashing measures ? well, speaking to measures? well, speaking to camilla tominey earlier , the camilla tominey earlier, the chancellor had this to say . chancellor had this to say. >> if that if we're going to be a dynamic, thriving, energetic , a dynamic, thriving, energetic, fizzing economy , we need low tax fizzing economy, we need low tax and we need taxes to be lower than they are at the moment. and the reason i believe that is if you look around the world, the most dynamic, successful economies are in economies at the moment are in nonh economies at the moment are in north america and asia, where they tend to have lower taxes. we're not going anything we're not going to do anything irresponsible , all particularly irresponsible, all particularly by which i mean anything that fuels inflation because we had a big victory last week when we delivered the prime minister's pledge to halve inflation. when he and i came to office, it was over 11. now it's 4.6. people watching at home, their number one concern, they say, in poll after poll, is the cost of living crisis. this makes a difference . s so we're going to difference. s so we're going to do this responsibly and then the

second thing is my priority on wednesday is growth, because having made good progress on inflation, we can move to the next part of our plan, which is to unlock much higher levels of growth . growth. >> joining me now is vicky pryce, chief economic adviser at the centre for economic and business research. vicky thank you very much for your time . how you very much for your time. how is this different to what was proposed by liz truss, which ultimately was her undoing? >> well, the interesting thing about the liz truss mini—budget or rather the kwasi kwarteng one, which was back in september 2022, was that it didn't rely at all on what the office for budget responsibility would have told them if they had listened told them if they had listened to that independent body , which to that independent body, which does all the fiscal calculations, if you like , for calculations, if you like, for any financial statement that is made by by the government, any financial statement that is made by by the government , that made by by the government, that they would have told them that

45 extra billion of unfunded tax cuts and other types of spending would not have met any of the fiscal rules that had been set by liz truss's predecessor and which had been kept actually or at least on paper, by quite a lot of other chancellors before. >> so that was the real difference that in this case we will have the office of budget responsibility, which is calculating what type of headroom there is for the chancellor to give something back. chancellor to give something back . and then the question, of back. and then the question, of course, is, is that headroom going to survive, let's say another downturn in the economy or shocks? but at or any other shocks? but at least of least there is some sort of justification , if you like, justification, if you like, behind the figures that the chancellor is going to talk about this week . about this week. >> and vicky, the labour party have obviously been out this morning to respond. darren jones was on this very channel speaking to camilla tominey earlier. is there much difference between policies proposed by the labour party and

the what's been touted potentially by the chancellor ? potentially by the chancellor? jeremy hunt ? jeremy hunt? >> that's very interesting. the labour party has been actually calling for a rethink on income tax, which is something that's been hinted now by the chancellor in the sense that the freezing of personal allowances have heard quite a lot of people, millions are coming into paying people, millions are coming into paying the tax in the first time even paying the tax in the first time ever. in other words, paying any tax. the £0.20 tax basic rate and millions are also coming into paying the higher rate of income tax at a time when the cost of living crisis has hit them at a time when interest rates have been very high. so squeezing personal disposable incomes. so labour would like to see addressed and see some of that addressed and i think a hint . think there is a hint. everything we've heard from the chancellor so far that may chancellor so far that that may be because otherwise be addressed because otherwise pension , sorry, pension allowances, sorry, personal allowances , pensions is personal allowances, pensions is another issue are going to be frozen for a few more years on current trends. so probably

he'll say something about what he'll say something about what he intends to do, maybe easing that and bringing the timescale for when those become unfrozen. a lot earlier. but of course, frankly, we may have a different government and labour may want to speed that up anyway if they come to power. >> so do you think both parties are focusing on the fact that you've got , whether it be you've got, whether it be headteachers senior nurses being dragged into higher rate tax bands ? bands? >> yes , that worries them. but >> yes, that worries them. but also of course, what's going to happen to benefits? because the other hint getting that other hint we're getting is that perhaps benefits aren't going to go line with the inflation go up in line with the inflation that we had in september, which was but we might instead go was 6.4. but we might instead go for the one in october, which is only 4.6. and if that is the case, then obviously benefits are not going to rise in line and lots of people who need those benefits are working , those benefits are working, people rely on that quite people who rely on that quite a lot. so i think that is also another difference. yes, indeed , another difference. yes, indeed, labouris another difference. yes, indeed, labour is worried about this, but of course , as rachel reeves

but of course, as rachel reeves has said quite clearly, the inheritance tax proposals or rather again, as perhaps speculation that there could be a change in inheritance tax, either perhaps halving it or dropping it altogether, is not something that they would want to see happen because that's not where money perhaps needs to be spent right now. >> well, just finally then, vicky, on that very point, is there argument that the there any argument that the economy would be boosted by a cut in inherited tax? >> the interesting thing about it is that it's probably the least costly thing that the government can do . government can do. >> uh, well, it might cost it. you know, 1 or 2 billion a year, possibly, and it isn't really going to make very much difference, will go down difference, but it will go down well, i think with the conservative voting population and the right wing mps and also with the right wing mps in in the conservative party. i think that's why it's being mentioned again. mentioned and mentioned again. >> right , vicky pryce, thank >> all right, vicky pryce, thank you ever , for your you very much, as ever, for your thoughts. that's vicky pryce there, at there, chief economic adviser at there, chief economic adviser at the for economic the centre for economic and business research . now let's see business research. now let's see what my panel of this .

what my panel think of this. today by christie and today i'm joined by christie and kalgi, is a political kalgi, who is a political commentator at the express and the political commentator matthew stadlen. matthew i'll start with you. i mean , where start with you. i mean, where are you at on the difference between the two political parties if indeed you recognise one when it comes to taxation? >> so i think the most important difference is inheritance tax because as vicky said, there , i because as vicky said, there, i think that sunak and hunt have been signalling to the right wing of the party and also to the tory members themselves. i don't think they're going to do anything this time around . they anything this time around. they may do in the spring, just ahead of an election. the reason they won't do anything at the moment is actually, is because actually, although some might vote for it some people might vote for it for aspirational reasons, actually cutting inheritance tax is only going to help a very, very tiny percentage of the british population at a time when we know that this year i think something like 11 million of us have been struggling to pay of us have been struggling to pay our bills. >> it's very interesting

listening to the chancellor, jeremy hunt, there talking about our desire for a fizzing, dynamic economy . dynamic economy. >> everyone wants a fizzing , >> everyone wants a fizzing, dynamic economy, he said. the key to that is a low tax economy. people should remember here that the tax take the tax yield in britain is the highest in 70 years. it's been the highest for seven decades, and thatis highest for seven decades, and that is under a conservative government. >> chris ryan i'm wondering then , i mean, i realise that this is a sop to the true blue grass roots , right? roots, right? >> an inheritance tax cutting that would be immensely popular. but is this indicative of a government that has decided that they're absolutely up something creek without a paddle when it comes to the red wall and that actually they need to focus on surrey and not sunderland ? surrey and not sunderland? >> well it certainly plays into that and i've i've spoken to a lot of the sort of truesight tory mps and there is a big divide on inheritance tax and it is along that blue wall, red

wall line . i think most people wall line. i think most people accept that it doesn't affect many people, it only really kicks in if you're getting £1 million or more inheritance from your parents. but i think that's why the government are doing it, because your previous guest pointed out it doesn't cost much because affect many because it doesn't affect many people. the most people. but it is the most unpopular tax. so it's bit of unpopular tax. so it's a bit of a it's a very easy political move. and you know, the reverse side of that is i would suggest that the single most important thing any government should be doing at the moment is reversing what's fiscal drag, which what's called fiscal drag, which is where you freeze the income tax bands and then people get dragged into the higher rates. as talking about. now as you were talking about. now that , is a very that conversely, is a very expensive policy and not one many people understand . so many people understand. so there's not much of a political incentive . but all of this seems incentive. but all of this seems to go completely against the so—called long term decision making that rishi sunak was going for. and we're back into party. that's what you would like to see. >> the interesting thing about

fiscal is that is fiscal drag, right, is that is the equivalent of a tax rise and people feel it as such, even if they don't understand. >> and necessarily because this is sort of complicated economics don't necessarily understand that happening to them. that it's happening to them. they don't underestimate the political power of inheritance tax , even though, as kristian tax, even though, as kristian rightly says, it affects so few people. the reason it's powerful is, i think that word i used earlier aspirational people think it might affect them. it might apply to them. let's remember back in, when was it, two thousand and seven, when gordon brown became prime minister. it was a sort of succession or seen as such from from tony blair. george osborne , from tony blair. george osborne, who was the shadow chancellor at the at the time. he said that he was going to raise the threshold at which inheritance tax would kick and it is widely thought kick in and it is widely thought that that that brown was so scared that and the electoral scared of that and the electoral pulling of that , he pulling power of that, that he didn't call an early general election. and i don't think voters forgave him for that. >> well, i remember the death

tax born and raised and they had the conservative party had these adverts with a headstone and all the rest of it. yes. i'm wondering , it is really an wondering, it is really an emotive tax, but things like stamp duty, for example , the stamp duty, for example, the property market does have a lot of pressures. and as you well know, because i know you wax lyrical about property pressures all the time. christine we're not building homes. not building enough homes. people can't on the housing people can't get on the housing ladder. people can't get on the housing ladder . so need to look at ladder. so we do need to look at ways which we can help out. ways in which we can help out. that was boris johnson's argument daily mail. yes. argument in the daily mail. yes. >> well, i think i think >> and well, i think i think bofis >> and well, i think i think boris slightly wrong boris was was slightly wrong because an because he said he'd cut an inheritance gen z. >> it might in 2070, but not at the moment . >> it might in 2070, but not at the moment. but this it's this sort of debate that gets me really depressed about the state of politics, especially the state of the tory party, because they're so locked in to this idea . the that the way you get idea. the that the way you get the economy growing is by spending money or fiddling with taxes when actually there are big things, as you alluded to,

changing the planning system, which wouldn't cost anything to the treasury and would kickstart growth in this country . and yet growth in this country. and yet there just isn't the political bottle in number 10 to grasp that that nettle . that that nettle. >> and i just want to make a quick point here about vulnerable people. okay it may be unfashionable to talk about this, but said earlier that this, but i said earlier that this, but i said earlier that this at least point this this at least some point this yean this at least some point this year, 11 roughly 11 million of us have been struggling to pay our bills because of the cost of living. and of course, with inflation, rates inflation, high interest rates were up. people might inflation, high interest rates we hit up. people might inflation, high interest rates we hit terms». people might inflation, high interest rates we hit terms of people might inflation, high interest rates we hit terms of when ple might inflation, high interest rates we hit terms of when they're ht be hit in terms of when they're going the shops, also going to the shops, but also when to paying their when it comes to paying their mortgage there is mortgage every month. there is talk of slashing benefits or certainly of cutting benefits . certainly of cutting benefits. thatis certainly of cutting benefits. that is a real prospect. and let's remember that people are on benefits are in work. many of them are. some of them are out of work. but whoever it is that they be very, very they can be very, very vulnerable a slashing of vulnerable to a slashing of their benefits. their of their benefits. and i think the conservative party will be should be very , very will be should be very, very careful. otherwise they're just going the nasty going to be known as the nasty party they will switch off,

party and they will switch off, one would imagine if people are thinking swathes thinking properly, great swathes of people in those so—called red wall. now, perhaps blue, blue wall. now, perhaps blue, blue wall seats in the parts of the country that you come from, darren, a lot people really darren, a lot of people really struggling and the tories have to careful about that. to be very careful about that. >> the conservative >> but equally, the conservative voters in 2019 and i get email after email about this when this debate comes up saying actually what needs to happen is to ultimate make work pay right? because a lot of people are saying, i could have made more money if i was on benefits , money if i was on benefits, right. if just stayed at right. if i'd just stayed at home and why people get home and that's why people get trapped welfare trapped in this welfare dependency. what jeremy dependency. that's what jeremy hunt is talking about, is it not? yes, absolutely. >> but the problem is the conservatives have not made work pay conservatives have not made work pay for very long time . i mean, pay for very long time. i mean, i you know , you see i sometimes, you know, you see job in america, you can job adverts in america, you can earn $150,000 from running a petrol station , you know, the petrol station, you know, in the middle nowhere . and, you middle of nowhere. and, you know, have poverty know, we just have such poverty wages country and that's wages in this country and that's partly because i think we've got these still slightly sort of

warlike obsession with austerity and rationing and that sort of thing. and we don't like to boast and we don't like to negotiate and play hardball too much. but you know, and it also the other flip side is of course, we keep prices course, we keep house prices high a load out high and then we pay a load out in housing and a in housing benefit. and it's a sort never ending cycle of sort of never ending cycle of welfare subsidy spending, high taxes. and i think this is why labour have been able to manoeuvre themselves with this remarkable situation of sounding more , more pro supply side more, more pro supply side reform , um, more free market reform, um, more free market than the tories have been. >> yeah, because the polling evidence would suggest that actually on issues like that, which have been in the tories ball park for some time now, where they're saying, look, i trust the labour party more on these issues than i do the conservative party right now. >> listen, i think keir starmer has done a reasonable job. i certainly don't and i'm broadly speaking, support of a labour government coming into power, but i don't know .

but i don't know. >> you shock me, you shock me. >> you shock me, you shock me. >> i listen. >> i listen. >> listen. i don't back everything that keir starmer has done, but i think he is the answer question. i think answer to your question. i think he's widely seen as a responsible, strong we he's widely seen as a resp thatile, strong we he's widely seen as a resp that withtrong we he's widely seen as a resp that withtrong the we saw that with some of the rebellions earlier in this week and that that was and the way that that was handled, handled handled, it was handled competently. voters will competently. i think voters will see between see a massive difference between jeremy corbyn, who turned me off as a voter. and keir as a labour voter. and keir starmer. so i think the trust vote in the labour party is, is growing and i think that's very significant. >> but do you think we need to know more about what a labour policy platform actually looks like? >> because i would certainly like to, wouldn't you? >> we would to >> i mean we would all like to know think starmer has know that. i think starmer has been quite clear, hasn't he, that his commitment to that his commitment was to detoxify after detoxify the labour party after the disaster of 2019, show that the disaster of 2019, show that the tories are not worthy of office and then start setting out his stall. do you think that's a tactical decision , that's a tactical decision, christian, where sir keir starmer is keeping his cards close to his chest and watching the conservative party basically pull itself apart? >> oh, certainly . >> oh, certainly. >> oh, certainly. >> and i think it's remarkably

easy to critique size some of the things that labour have come outwith. i mean, there are some aspects of, you know, taxes on private schools, which it sounds like they've sort spent 4 or like they've sort of spent 4 or 5 times over in other policy areas. so there's certainly that . i think there's also it's important say that the bar is important to say that the bar is incredibly low with labour. you know, not just corbyn, but also miliband, labour have become very good at saying what they know will go down well . but that know will go down well. but that is a very different game to sticking to those promises and doing the right thing in office. and that remains to be seen. and my gut is he'll fold on a lot of promises very quickly. >> we talk so much, don't we, about culture and about culture wars and importantly, community importantly, about community relations and so forth, and immigration. i think the election will won be or lost partly or in a big part way on the economy. so the conversation we're having now is absolutely critical. >> absolutely. we'd all like to feel less skint, wouldn't we? i mean, john's just written in, he

says.i mean, john's just written in, he says. i consider myself to be a truss, darren, but i think cutting inheritance tax as a priority , he is a pretty poor priority, he is a pretty poor idea . so loads more on that and idea. so loads more on that and everything else that we've been covering today. on cbnnews.com , covering today. on cbnnews.com, i'm the fastest growing national news website out in the uk. it's got the best analysis and opinion as well as the latest breaking news. folks here are watching and listening to gb news sunday with me, darren grimes . lots news sunday with me, darren grimes. lots more coming up on today's show. tick tock. it's a menace. it's blowing up with social media posts of osama bin laden and his tirade against the west . i'll be laden and his tirade against the west. i'll be asking, do we need tougher platform measures to protect young people ? all of protect young people? all of that and more. you're watching and listening to gb news, britain's news channel .

that i knew had dewbs& co week nights from . six nights from. six >> welcome back to gb news sunday with me, darren grimes on your tv, online and on digital radio. now horror on social media this week as osama bin laden returned his letter to america, it went viral after being posted by left wing users. in it, the terrorist leader said his killings of nearly 3000 americans in the september the 11th, 2001, terror attacks had been justified by the united states. support of israel's occupation of the palestinian

territories . his words, not mine territories. his words, not mine . the letter has since been removed from numerous online publications after several commentators said its manifesto had opened their eyes to the situation in the middle east. but some have said that historical documents should not be suppressed. well, joining me to discuss this is toby young, general , secretary of the general, secretary of the brilliant free speech union. toby young. thank you very much for your time. i mean, i must admit, this is making me question even my penchant for free speech, toby, because i think that young people being inculcated into this kind of ideology is really quite troubling . yes it is quite troubling. yes it is quite troubling. >> darren. >> darren. >> but i'm not sure i buy into the theory that tiktok's algorithms are being manipulated by the chinese communist party in order to sow discord and dissent in the west,

particularly amongst young people that certainly been the cw people that certainly been the cry of several republican congressmen in the united states. and they cite the huge discrepancy between the number of posts on tiktok with the hashtag free palestine compared to the much smaller number of posts with the hashtag stand with israel . but in tiktok's with israel. but in tiktok's defence and i didn't think i'd be hearing myself say those words. darren that discrepancy, that ratio is equally skewed on instagram and facebook and polling indicates that young people, including in the united kingdom , 18 to 24 year olds, kingdom, 18 to 24 year olds, cite did more with gaza than they do with israel in this particular conflict. in a yougov poll last month, i think it was 39% of 18 to 24 year olds support reported gaza and only 11% supported israel. now you could say that's because they're getting their news about the conflict from platforms which are trying to steer them towards that point of view. but it looks

to me to be more a symptom of the woke mind virus rather than the woke mind virus rather than the result of clever manipulation by tiktok. unfortunately the minds of many young people have been infected by wokery by this new religious movement , if by wokery by this new religious movement, if you like, whereby they think of the palestinians as the oppressed and the israelis as the oppressor. as the oppressed and the israelis as the oppressor . they israelis as the oppressor. they think of israel as a colonial set for power and therefore their siding with the oppressed , their siding with the oppressed, with the dispossessed, with refugees . i with the dispossessed, with refugees. i mean, with the dispossessed, with refugees . i mean, you with the dispossessed, with refugees. i mean, you and i know that that's a completely one sided version of what's happening in the middle east. but i think it's that not tiktok and not manipulation on any of these social media platforms that accounts for the skew amongst young people towards the gaza side in this conflict. >> so it doesn't worry you that issues such as and we've had the likes of miriam cates and others, a conservative member of

parliament, aren't actually warning about issues such as gender ideology being pushed on these platforms . you don't think these platforms. you don't think there's an argument to say whilst the chinese alternative for tiktok in china is an educator national platform which talks about patriotism of the state and all the rest of it, where the version that we have across the west is a very different beast that, as you rightly say, some have argued, is undermining the west . is undermining the west. >> well, i'm a little bit loath to call for the banning of any social media platforms or state interference , too much state interference, too much state interference, too much state interference into those platforms . louis interference into those platforms. louis brandeis, interference into those platforms . louis brandeis, the platforms. louis brandeis, the famous us supreme court justice, said in a landmark first amendment case back in the beginning of the last century that the best remedy for bad speech is not silence , but more speech is not silence, but more and better speech . sunlight is

and better speech. sunlight is the best disinfectant. so is that an argument for all of us to get on tiktok? >> toby that's right. >> toby that's right. >> darren we should we should get on tiktok. we should make the for case defeating hamas and returning the israeli hostages as powerfully as we can. we should attach the hashtag stand with israel to those posts and counter some of the proper uganda that's being pumped out by the other side. i think that's the best solution. >> so just very briefly , toby, i >> so just very briefly, toby, i wonder what what did you think about elon musk saying that he would ban on from twitter, the chant for from the river to the sea to actually argue that actually that's a genocidal chant ? chant? >> well, i think there is a case for banning that chant on twitter because is what does it mean from the to river the sea, it means wiping out the state of israel. and if you wipe out the state of israel, all the 7 million plus jews in that part of middle east would be

of the middle east would be slaughtered by islamist paramilitary like hamas. paramilitary groups like hamas. so i can understand why he would want to ban that chant. but i think the standard has to be, darren, that we tolerate speech provided it's not a direct incitement to violence . and incitement to violence. and that's what that chant feels like to me . like to me. >> brilliant as ever. toby, thank you very much for your time. that's toby at the time. that's toby young at the free union , a very free speech union, a very worthwhile union. matthew, i wonder for tiktok and the twitter moves at the minute, it's all kicking off on social media. where are you at on all of this? >> where am i? personally, i think i'm too old for tiktok. apparently haven't dabbled apparently so i haven't dabbled in what i've seen in tiktok myself. what i've seen in tiktok myself. what i've seen in the news the last few in the news in the last few days, though, the idea that pro osama bin laden mission statements been circulating statements have been circulating amongst on this amongst young people on this particular social media platform is absolutely terrifying. and we cannot underestimate how impressionable young people are, not just young people, older people, well, but perhaps people, as well, but perhaps particularly voters. and particularly young voters. and that scary indeed . is

that is very scary indeed. is there a problem that our our principal public spaces where we do conversations, where we do debate, which have far bigger audiences than shows like this , audiences than shows like this, worthwhile though it is, to have these sorts of debates. is there a problem that these are owned, in some cases by individuals or by states? yes i am. by or by states? yes i am. i deeply concerned that a lot of british young people are sharing memes and so forth on a site owned effectively by the chinese state. i'm very concerned about it. and the final thing on twitter, which is the platform i use along with instagram, i am also horrified that the owner of the owner of the owner of twitter, elon musk, well, he responded to a well—established anti—semitic conspiracy theory by saying the actual we might get we'll come on to all of these topics in a bit, folks. >> if you're watching and listening to gb news sunday with me, daryl grimes, plenty more to come today's show. first, come on today's show. but first, here's news with . aaron it

here's the news with. aaron it is 134. >> aaron armstrong here in the newsroom. qatar says just minor logistical issues now stand in the way of a deal that could see the way of a deal that could see the release of dozens of hostages by hamas. the qatari prime minister signalled progress is being made, although israel's prime minister, benjamin netanyahu insists no deal has been reached. qatar says it's continuing dialogue with both israel and hamas and efforts are ongoing. more than 200 hostages were taken by hamas on october the 7th. so far, four have been released and dozens have been released and dozens have been released and dozens have been killed . the chancellor have been killed. the chancellor says the government is acting responsibly amidst suggestions tax cuts will be announced in the autumn statement on wednesday , jeremy hunt told gb wednesday, jeremy hunt told gb news he won't introduce any kind of measure that risks fuelling inflation after it was hashed over the past year. it's been widely reported cuts to inheritance and income tax are being considered in an effort to boost the economy. but the chancellor insists next week's

statement will focus on growth . statement will focus on growth. a woman who act as a vector of force , people smugglers, has force, people smugglers, has been jailed for seven and a half years, 32 year old jessica maciej, who's from albania, helped arrange small boat crossings from france to the uk for albanian nationals. she was arrested at her home in oxfordshire last year and will be deported upon her release from prison . and a conservative from prison. and a conservative mp found guilty of racial abuse has announced he's standing down at the next election . bob at the next election. bob stewart racially abused a man after he allegedly told him to go back to bahrain. outside the foreign office last december . he foreign office last december. he surrendered the tory whip during his appeal against the conviction , the beckenham mp conviction, the beckenham mp made no reference to the recent case, but said it had been an honour and a privilege to serve . honour and a privilege to serve. if we back with more at the top of the next hour, we can get more on our website. now that's gb news dot com .

gb news dot com. >> thank you, aaron. and thank you very much to you at home as well. we've got more coming up. gb news gloria de piero sat down this week with former cabinet member nadine dorries on the explosive allegations in her new book, the plot. we'll be bringing you all the latest . but bringing you all the latest. but first, here's a quick look at the weather. hello there. >> welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. i'm craig snell. well, looking ahead to the new working week, we are going to start off rather grey and damp. for some of us, it will be dry in but for will be dry in midweek, but for all it looks like it's going to turn head towards turn colder as we head towards next end back to the here next week end back to the here and are dominated and now. we still are dominated by of by this huge area of low pressure. the tightly pressure. note the tightly packed isobars indicating it's going blustery as going to be fairly blustery as we at sunday. quite a lot of we end at sunday. quite a lot of cloud around with some outbreaks of rain keeping a very close eye on this next area of rain. however moves into parts however as it moves into parts of wales , southwestern of south wales, southwestern england throughout night england throughout the night could for could turn quite squally for a time. the cloud and time. but with all the cloud and rain around , it's going to be

rain around, it's going to be another mild right another fairly mild one right across . so we start across the uk. so we start monday morning, across the uk. so we start monday morning , potentially monday morning, potentially quite wet across parts of southern england, but that will clear off towards france as we head towards the middle part of the that may briefly the morning. that may briefly allow some sunnier spells to develop across parts of the midlands east anglia for a time. but a lot of the uk it's but for a lot of the uk it's going be a fairly grey start going to be a fairly grey start to week. further to the new working week. further outbreaks of rain may well outbreaks of rain that may well be fairly persistent up across parts northern scotland and parts of northern scotland and with a northerly wind starting to develop, it will be slightly cooler than the weekend, but still side in to still on the mild side in to tuesday. another fairly grey picture for parts of england and wales . risk of some outbreaks of wales. risk of some outbreaks of rain in the east, brighter and dner rain in the east, brighter and drier for scotland and northern ireland. that will sink its way southwards england and southwards into england and wales as we go into wednesday and thursday . and thursday. >> is it? we're here for the show . so welcome to the dinosaur show. so welcome to the dinosaur hour with me, john cleese . haha,

hour with me, john cleese. haha, that was married to a therapist and you survived. i thought we were getting hugh laurie second best marbella . de—man you best marbella. de—man you interviewed saddam hussein. what's that like ? i was what's that like? i was terrified. i'm playing strip poker with these three. >> oh, no, thank you . >> oh, no, thank you. >> oh, no, thank you. >> cds need to be put in alphabetical order. >> oh , are you going to be >> oh, are you going to be problematic again? >> the dinosaur for our sundays at 9:00 on gb news is. >> the dinosaur for our sundays at 9:00 on gb news is . welcome at 9:00 on gb news is. welcome back to gb news sunday. >> with me, darren grimes on your tv, online and on digital radio. former culture secretary and boris johnson . ally my gosh, and boris johnson. ally my gosh, is she a boris johnson ally? nadine dorries she has a new book out. it's called the plot, which has definitely been making the headlines. gb news is very own gloria de piero sat down with the former conservative mp on tuesday after the shocking

reshuffle and this is what she had to say about rishi sunak as prime minister >> is rishi sunak actually going to make a decision? >> what is he doing as prime minister? he's being taken to the point as the book details over seven years, he came into the party. >> people were told seven years ago he is going to be prime minister, he's going to be chancellor first. seven years ago. never made a ago. but he's never made a decision he there decision since he got there because people taken because these people have taken him control him. him there and they control him. and even now today , they he and even now today, they he still didn't get to make the decision was going to decision over who was going to be cabinet. william hague be in his cabinet. william hague has just it. what is the has just done it. so what is the point of having rishi sunak as prime we have prime minister why don't we have william don't william hague or why don't we have smith? these people have douglas smith? these people who make all decisions, not who make all the decisions, not rishi sunak doesn't make the decisions doesn't move decisions. he doesn't move without. of all, douglas without. first of all, douglas smith making a smith saying he can or making a decision unless dougie smith approves isn't weird approves it. so isn't it weird then, that i mean, esther is a former colleague both in parliament and at gb news estimate very that they actually called a position or brief that a position the minister for

a position was the minister for common surely common sense. i mean, surely that of be the that should sort of be the essence the entire essence of the entire government. have one person government. you have one person who you can check we're who you can check that we're not. sense in not. we have common sense in this. know, just to this. you know, i just want to say esther and, you know, say i love esther and, you know, she's from liverpool and we're fellow scousers . but honestly, fellow scousers. but honestly, it's such a cynical appointment. it's like everyone's going to criticise for us just handing a job to a, you know, an old etonian who wants to have his, his reputation rehabilitate . and his reputation rehabilitate. and so i know the antithesis that that will the argument against that will the argument against that will the argument against that will be let's pop a northern girl with a liverpool accent into cabinet, give a no portfolio a no responsibilities whatsoever. but just let's pop her in and anyone who says we can say, well, look, esther al fayed, who was educated, by the way, a private school, blue coats, private school in liverpool, let's just pop her into that's into the cabinet because that's the the posh the counter argument to the posh boys. just so cynical. boys. it's just so cynical. and i'm esther has seen through i'm sure esther has seen through that as well. but, you know, i don't esther for taking that as well. but, you know, i doiokay. esther for taking that as well. but, you know, i doiokay. i'm esther for taking that as well. but, you know, i doiokay. i'm going for taking that as well. but, you know, i doiokay. i'm going tortaking that as well. but, you know, i doiokay. i'm going to say:ing it. okay. i'm going to say something that i recall from meeting you for the first time,

and it was on the it won't be important to you, but it was it stuck in my mind. it's kind . stuck in my mind. it's kind. don't worry. don't worry. we're on house of commons terrace. on the house of commons terrace. it 2010. i can't remember it was 2010. i can't remember how you ended up chatting to me, but i just got in. i don't really know what i'm doing. and you said if you ever want any advice, you know, feel free to ask and was like, but advice, you know, feel free to ask in and was like, but advice, you know, feel free to ask in differents like, but advice, you know, feel free to ask in different parties. ut advice, you know, feel free to ask in different parties. and we're in different parties. and you this to me. you took me you said this to me. you took me aside and you went, there's something bigger here than something bigger in here than political parties, that's political parties, and that's women. which is great. but women. and which is great. but do you is that true? is there sisterhood ? are you so. yeah. sisterhood? are you so. yeah. oh, yeah, yeah, yeah . and i oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. and i think for women, politics is difficult felt and it harder difficult felt and it was harder in our days. so i came in 2005, gloria, so i'd been through 2005 to 2010, which was, you know, it was like being back in the dinosaur days. realised dinosaur days. and i realised that as a woman, it's ten times worse. because your opinion is completely disregarded. you were totally spoken was just totally spoken over. it was just shocking and yeah, and i realised and honestly, gloria,

i've said this and i know feminists think it's a terrible thing for me to say, but i wouldn't want any of my daughters work becoming mps. i would them working in would not want them working in that want work that place. i want them to work in organisations where they can have a chance at being equals and know that their opinion is heard and that's that's what i want for my girls. i don't want my girls to go into an environment like westminster, which is toxic. it is a toxic environment . it's full of environment. it's full of unpleasant people . you know unpleasant people. you know that. i know that there are a lot of unpleasant people. there are good people as well, but they are drowned out by the machinations and the game playing and the plotting of those are bad people, which those who are bad people, which really is, know, really is, you know, highlighting those highlighting a few of those people is about. people is what my book is about. some the things that told some of the things that you told you'd told by you'd been told by the interviews that you spoke interviews you is that you spoke to about in the book that happenedin to about in the book that happened in your party. an mp having sex on a billiards table with a prostitute while other mps watched an mp who i assume is still an mp who you were told

gave a young woman a rape drug who faced no sanction and went on to. i mean, is this true and is there any evidence these are really serious things. oh, yeah, it's true . i saw the police it's true. i saw the police report . it's true . it's report. it's true. it's a sitting mp. is this a sitting mp that you've seen a police report? yeah and is this the one who. who gave them ? i'm going to who. who gave them? i'm going to go into conversations about it, gloria, because it's. but there are two anecdotes. there's one where the mps watched. yeah and there's another one about an mp, a young woman, a date rape drug. yeah. and you've seen one of those police reports? yeah and that's as much as you're going to say, that's fine. but you know that as, as much as i can say that given the say on that one, given the information i've been given since the came out. since the book came out. but i actually know actually saw the bit i know people have said, why is she sitting on information like that to she to sell a book? why didn't she go police about it? i got go to the police about it? i got the information book the information from the book because i saw police report.

because i saw the police report. yeah, that's that's already in action. allowed tell action. are you allowed to tell me if, if the person me if it's a if, if the person in still mp? yes, in question is still an mp? yes, they are . yeah. and the thing they are. yeah. and the thing about that case, which is utterly shocking thing, is that my party were aware of what he'd done and he wasn't even given a rap on the knuckles . but then rap on the knuckles. but then when he went on to do was to abuse and rape other women. so it's that's that's the, you know, a, a sexual and you know gloria, he was a sexual predator. and we know that westminster is a place that seems to attract those kind of people. and they are everywhere and you know, when this woman was told was advised that she should go to the police, well , should go to the police, well, well, yes. but that's a very difficult thing for someone to do in the workplace to take somebody else to the police, you know, and there should have been some kind of mechanism , um, some kind of mechanism, um, where that mp was hauled into

and the government or my party or whoever also called the police to say, we need to make you aware that we have received this complaint and the police would have said, we need to speak to the woman in question . speak to the woman in question. absolutely right. but she would have felt some protection and some support if the party had also reported him to the police. whether or not the police could take action on the parties complaint is a different issue. and i know that's more and i know that's a more technical issue, least technical issue, but at least that would have felt that young woman would have felt that young woman would have felt that was on her side that the party was on her side and the party had an obligation, both i think, and both morally, i think, and criminally , to do that. and they criminally, to do that. and they didn't . and, gloria, we've got didn't. and, gloria, we've got to know it's in both to say, i know it's in both parties. course . yeah, parties. of course. yeah, absolutely. absolutely so final question. you've said you don't want you wouldn't want your daughters to go in there. we both went in there. we saw it for what it there's some for what it is. there's some good there's some bad good people. there's some bad people. things people. there's some bad things that happen in there. is there anything had magic wand anything if you had a magic wand question, could clean up question, we could clean up

politics by doing there politics by doing this. is there any anything we can do any is there anything we can do to. god, it's not. it's to. oh, god, it's not. it's a big question, isn't it? so one of the issues is i think the biggest problem is politics biggest problem is, is politics itself know, it's the itself. you know, it's the pursuit of power and it corrupts and i have seen in the research for the book to what extent it corrupts. and there needs to be an overarching arching theme of depher fancy high standards morals those overarching themes need to be what people use as their guiding light in politics. you know, is it moral? is this decent ? it is. are we reaching decent? it is. are we reaching standards that the public expect of us? and if the answer is yes, then we're getting somewhere towards addressing how these problems occur. within this vacuum. but the moment there vacuum. but at the moment there is of that. you know, it's is none of that. you know, it's we've got a, you know, an immoral party with which has abandoned all pretence of decency . and yeah, that's what's decency. and yeah, that's what's going to change. it interests the only regret i have about this interview is that is not

twice as long to quote the former prime minister at your book launch last night . gonads. book launch last night. gonads. let's be it has been a pleasure andifs let's be it has been a pleasure and it's a great read. nadine dorries thank you. oh, thank you, gloria. >> fascinating as ever. now turning back to my panel, i've got matthew stadlen and christine khalji still with me now . now, christine, she now. now, christine, she mentions she talks about a daughter and not letting her daughter and not letting her daughter in politics. she would hate that to happen . that takes hate that to happen. that takes me back to that tiktok conversation we were having earlier . i conversation we were having earlier. i mean, you're on tiktok. you're 26 years of age. do you reckon denies the perils of these social media apps? >> well, i have always taken the view you and i very much disagree with nadine because obviously when she was culture secretary, she was in charge of pushing through these big reforms to how social media works and clamping down on freedom of speech . freedom of speech. >> i've always taken the view that social media is a mirror of

society. i don't think it changes society and i think that when we talk for example, i will come back to the tiktok issues and bin laden . but we talk about and bin laden. but we talk about twitter, we talk about online abuse. well, i always make the point that 100 years ago, members of the public were voluntarily going to watch hangings . voluntarily going to watch hangings. right. voluntarily going to watch hangings . right. there were some hangings. right. there were some members the public. there's members of the public. there's something lot of human something in a lot of human beings want to be slightly beings that want to be slightly brutal and ruthless and have a bloodletting every so often. and i think that to try and legislate against some of the evils of social media is to try and clamp down on on some innate human characteristics . human characteristics. >> i'm not i'm not sure how you go about legislate thing because i think we do need to protect it freedom of speech. but i also think that social media platforms have very serious responsibilities. and i think, for example , with twitter, which for example, with twitter, which is a space i do know since elon musk and he would disagree with me on this and he challenged me

about want to about it, he'd want me to give specific examples. as specific examples. isles but as as my personal experience of twitter since he took over is that hate speech, bigotry, racism and so forth has ballooned . ballooned. >> and what your definition of hate speech is, right? >> because me, i'm quite clear about what hate speech is. >> it's about hating other people according to their racial or or sexual identities. and so forth. >> well, but uploading a video on tiktok, right. if you say, well , actually, a bloke can well, actually, a bloke can never be a woman, right? that would get you thrown off the app. >> i mean, if you want to go into trans gender issues, i'm very i'm i'm very happy to. >> but just to come back to christian on the point you made, l, christian on the point you made, i, i do think that people can be radicalised on social media. yes, there might be in some people an innate desire for the brutal and so forth. i'm not sure people have an an innate affinity for osama bin laden. and i think the fact that people seem to be being radicalised along those grounds in this country is because of social

media use. >> no, i think i can find common ground on there and i've seen it personally. i see people who start off fair , moderate. and start off fair, moderate. and then the problem is, of course we it's very easy to fall into echo chambers and you become more extreme in whichever direction your politics is. and thatis direction your politics is. and that is a problem . um, but i'm that is a problem. um, but i'm also yet to hear a solution which isn't banned on social media. all right. >> right , folks, lots more >> right, folks, lots more coming up on today's show as the nhs advertises for 100 day contract to embed anti racist behaviour , our has the health behaviour, our has the health care service finally lost the plot all of that and more to come. i'm darren grimes and you're watching and listening to gb news, britain's news channel

isabel monday to thursdays from. six till 930 . welcome back . i'm six till 930. welcome back. i'm darren grimes and the nhs is now offering a £100,000 contract for an anti racism consultancy service. the contract posted by nhs blood and transplant says the successful bidder will embed intentional, the successful bidder will embed intentional , inclusive the successful bidder will embed intentional, inclusive and anti racist behaviours across our organisation. well, joining me now is former secretary of for state health stephen dorrell . state health stephen dorrell. stephen, thank you for your time . we've not got very long unfortunately, but i'm wondering if you were victoria atkins in this position . now she's of this position. now she's of course, health secretary. would you be saying, come on, we can spend that 100 k on something

else? >> i'd recognise if i were victoria, that this is a free hit for the headline writers . hit for the headline writers. >> but i actually think that if you look behind the headlines, this is an important issue for the health service. it's what's important for the health service is that access to health care , is that access to health care, access to opportunities to work in the health service are blind to race, blind to culture and background and address health need. and the health service isn't as good at that as it says it wants to be. and if it's trying to address those health inequalities is that's something that i think should have our support . support. >> all right. so, stephen, you reckon that actually the nhs , we reckon that actually the nhs, we get told it needs more cash , get told it needs more cash, it's cash starved that actually this isn't proof of that . this isn't proof of that. >> no, i don't think that because there's lots of things in the health service it needs to be it needs

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>> it's a minute past two here in the newsroom. i'm aaron armstrong. qatar says just minor logistical issues now stand in the way of deal that could see the way of a deal that could see the way of a deal that could see the release dozens the release of dozens of hostages hamas. the hostages held by hamas. the qatari prime minister signalled progress is being made , although progress is being made, although israel's minister, israel's prime minister, benjamin netanyahu insists no deal has been reached. qatar says it's continuing dialogue with both israel and hamas and efforts are ongoing. more than 200 hostages were taken by hamas on october the 7th. so far , four on october the 7th. so far, four have been released and dozens have been released and dozens have been released and dozens have been killed . the chancellor have been killed. the chancellor says the government is acting responsibly amid suggestions tax cuts will be announced in next weeks. autumn statement jeremy hunt told gb news he won't introduce any kind of measure that risks fuelling inflation after it was halved over the past year . after it was halved over the past year. it's been widely reported cuts to inheritance and income tax are being considered income tax are being considered in an effort to boost the economy. but the chancellor insists next week's statement will focus on growth. we're not going to do anything

irresponsible , all particularly irresponsible, all particularly by which i mean anything that fuels inflation because we had a big victory last week when we delivered the prime minister's pledge to halve inflation. >> when he and i came to office, it was over 11. now it's 4.6. people watching at home their number one concern. they say , in number one concern. they say, in poll after poll, is the cost of living crisis. this this makes a difference. so we're going to do this right responsibly. >> labour has criticised suggestions the government may cut taxes while also squeezing the welfare system where many people are struggling with the cost of living. shadow chief secretary to the treasury darren jones , says to know how jones, says he wants to know how any cuts be paid for. any tax cuts will be paid for. >> we've said in the labour party that we want the tax burden to come down on working people. it's the highest has people. it's the highest it has been second war. been since the second world war. we've conservative tax we've had 25 conservative tax rises parliament alone, rises in this parliament alone, but we can only announce those tax cuts when they can be fully funded. and if the chancellor is going to announce a cut on going to announce a tax cut on wednesday, we're going to be

looking he's able to looking at how he's been able to get to pay for that happen. >> homeowners could be offered up to £1,000 per year off their household bills if they're prepared live near new prepared to live near new electricity pylons. the government is hoping the move will overcome planning objections and speed up its bid to install infrastructure for electric vehicles. the current estimate is 14 years. it could be worth up to over £10,000 over ten, ten years, over a decade for some. although the treasury hasn't specified where that money will come from . a woman money will come from. a woman who acted as a fixer for people smugglers has been jailed for seven and a half years . 32 year seven and a half years. 32 year old uju karmakar, who's from albania , helped arrange small albania, helped arrange small boat crossings from france to the uk for albanian nationals. she was arrested at her home in oxfordshire last year and will be deported upon her release from prison . 700,000 pupils in from prison. 700,000 pupils in england are still being taught in poorly maintained or potentially unsafe buildings because of crumbling concrete.

the public accounts committee says it's limiting students educational achievements in its report, the cross—party group described a shocking lack of detail from the department of education, meaning the true scale of the crisis remains a mystery. the government, though, says it is ready rebuilding and its programme is proceeding ahead of schedule . a ahead of schedule. a conservative mp found guilty of racial abuse has announced he is standing down at the next election. bob stewart racially abused a man after he allegedly told him to go back to bahrain outside the foreign office last december after he surrendered, the tory whip . while he appealed the tory whip. while he appealed against that conviction , the mp against that conviction, the mp for beckenham, though, made no reference to the recent case but said it had been an honour and a privilege to serve many privilege to serve with many buses and electric vehicles have been sent to albania as part of a deal to return foreign prisoners . the arrangement will prisoners. the arrangement will see 200 albanian nationals currently jailed in england and wales sent back home for the rest of their sentence . the uk

rest of their sentence. the uk has agreed help has also agreed to help modernise albania's prison system. the overall deal is expected to cost around £8 million, which the government says will save money for britain's prisons . the biggest britain's prisons. the biggest prostate cancer screening trial in decades has begun after a £42 million funding boost. the innovative trial will use methods like mri scans to detect prostate cancer much earlier, thousands of men across the country are participating with 1 in 10 to be from non—white communities who are much more at risk . this is gb news. we're risk. this is gb news. we're across the uk on tv, digital radio and on your smart. speaker two now it's back to . darren two now it's back to. darren >> thank you, aaron. let's get stuck into the topics for this hour. stuck into the topics for this hour . after stuck into the topics for this hour. after just stuck into the topics for this hour . after just under a week stuck into the topics for this hour. afterjust under a week in hour. after just under a week in the job, foreign secretary lord cameron has reportedly pledged to unlock billions for foreign

aid and that the uk has a moral mission to help the world's poon mission to help the world's poor. even though his government closed this government rather closed this government rather closed the department for international development and slashed the foreign aid budget. the former prime minister is said to want to push for the restoration of the aid status in british foreign policy . so can british foreign policy. so can cameron put foreign aid back on the agenda? should he? i'm joined now by the political commentator alex armstrong . commentator alex arm strong. alex, commentator alex armstrong. alex, my own personal view on this is quite clear. it's we are skint, right? all of us as a nation. and we can't afford to put the heating on. we're struggling to pay the bills and this right now, as a policy proposal way it's i'll tell you the mail box is going absolutely wild . alex yeah and i'm not wild. alex yeah and i'm not surprised. >> gb news viewers are up in arms about this. >> i am, too. i think it's absolutely bonkers right in the middle of a cost of living

crisis where inflation is still twice as high as it should be. let's bear that in mind. >> david cameron is come back, been dug out from back been dug out from the back garden somewhere, one of his back garden spent 25 k back garden where he spent 25 k probably to build that shed to write his book has been brought back government you back into government and you know enough you know darren, funnily enough you made slip made that slight freudian slip there where you said cameron's government . government. >> well, it certainly feels like cameron's government, doesn't it? it feels like rishi is bending backwards for david cameron. >> left, right. and centre. >> left, right. and centre. >> we're seeing a complete reversal of any policies that make rishi give rishi sunaks government any character whatsoever. >> you know what i find most upset about all of this is that david cameron says we have a moral obligation . moral obligation. >> well, to who and why. and this is a man let's let's not forget that got 10 million from greensill for lobbying the government. if anyone's going to talk to me about morals, i hope it's not. david cameron. well and potentially, and of course, potentially, reportedly be getting a little bit too close china in trying bit too close to china in trying to a bob or two. to make a bob or two. >> but i'm wondering, you know,

what the plan here? is he what is the plan here? is he going to bring back or seek to bnng going to bring back or seek to bring back the nought point 7% of gdp being spent every year on foreign aid? >> yeah . well, rishi sunak's >> yeah. well, rishi sunak's already committed to 0.5, so let's just bear that in mind . so let's just bear that in mind. so that's already a commitment he's made. now, i'm not i wouldn't be surprised if cameron uses some sort inflation as excuse to sort of inflation as excuse to up that budget, even further. and in 2022 . we spent 12.8 and in 2022. we spent 12.8 billion gbp on oda, which is official development assistance . official development assistance. so we're already spending a fortune . whilst we're asking the fortune. whilst we're asking the british taxpayer to rein it in and pay more in taxes and then you've got jeremy hunt coming out saying we've got to be responsible with our money. well, it's what policy are they going fiscally going for fiscally here? because i'm not quite clear. do we have to be responsible with money and responsible with our money and save we need to save or do we need to be spending it? and we do, why spending it? and if we do, why are not spending it on fixing are we not spending it on fixing the that the tories have the schools that the tories have neglected for the last ten years? example, it seems

years? for example, it seems to be this this current be that this this current government, it's in the middle of of identity, doesn't of a crisis of identity, doesn't even understand where its fiscal policy should lie. >> yeah. i mean alex dean has written in and he says the tory party are just trolling us now and then cheryl has said foreign aid , yes, we should give more aid, yes, we should give more aid, yes, we should give more aid to india . she's being aid to india. she's being sarcastic, by the way. she says to with their space to help with their space missions and they can purchase some more of our good old british companies like british steel, jaguar, land rover, et cetera. cetera. there is a cetera. et cetera. there is a point here, you it's all point here, you know, it's all well and good to say we need to be giving more british taxpayer cash to the likes of gaza, for example how make example. but how do you make sure it doesn't go into sure that it doesn't go into making rockets by hamas? no no. >> and this is the view is quite right. again, you know, we give we've been giving to money far, far more developed countries than us. we don't have a space program. let's just bear that in mind. i actually made this point on your show summer, on your show in the summer, darren, did land darren, when india did land their the and we their rocket on the moon and we looked money the uk

looked at how much money the uk had aid india over had given in aid to india over that if it was that time, even if it was dressed as, you know, dressed up as, you know, business investments and it is it really massively it is really massively hypocritical for the tories who are , you know, sitting here are, you know, sitting here telling us all to be fiscally responsible, and, telling us all to be fiscally resp know, e, and, telling us all to be fiscally resp know, that and, telling us all to be fiscally resp know, that has and, telling us all to be fiscally respknow, that has been and, telling us all to be fiscally respknow, that has been david you know, that has been david cameron's line since he was in government. you know, were government. you know, we were all budgets, all tightening our budgets, slashing for the slashing benefits for the poorest yet we're poorest people. and yet we're we're managing find money in we're managing to find money in the sofa give out the back of the sofa to give out billions to ukraine to gaza, to india , to even china up until india, to even china up until very recently. and now we're seeing all those countries that we've been giving billions to actually excel us. so rather than investing in our own country, we're more worried about investing overseas. it screams to me and i don't i'm sure you'll agree, darren, it screams to me like this country has lost its way and we seem to be now using money to buy favours rather than using any form of british intellect or soft power to actually have any influence in the world. and it's quite a sad state of affairs.

>> and just finally and briefly, alex, i'm wondering, do you actually argue that in doing this? well, a lot of viewers are saying, what about all of the money we're spending, for example, on those arriving here illegally and all the rest of it? maybe when they sort that out, they can start out, then they can start lecturing us on sending money abroad . abroad. >> yeah, quite . i mean, you >> yeah, quite. i mean, you know, darren, i think the thing that really incenses people about about this situation and you said this beautifully at the start of the conversation here, charity starts at home. and we have a lot of issues in this country and the taxpayer is a very we are actually a very generous and very charitable country. one one of the most charitable in the world, let's just remember that. but you can't keep on taking the british pubuc can't keep on taking the british public sympathy for granted . you public sympathy for granted. you keep on pressing the buttons and going, you must be more sensible . you must look after your money. must tax you more, but money. we must tax you more, but we're going go give it we're going to go and give it all and we're going to let all away and we're going to let all away and we're going to let all migrants, illegal all these migrants, illegal migrants, we're migrants, come over here. we're going it.

going to do nothing about it. we're invest that we're going to invest that money into policy like into a black hole policy like rwanda, have no rwanda, which we have no intention of actually delivering upon. it just the upon. and then it just the british public just fed up upon. and then it just the britigo,)ublic just fed up upon. and then it just the briti go, well, just fed up upon. and then it just the briti go, well, where fed up upon. and then it just the briti go, well, where areed up upon. and then it just the briti go, well, where are myp upon. and then it just the briti go, well, where are my taxes going? >> well, indeed , common sense >> well, indeed, common sense crusader alex armstrong , always crusader alex armstrong, always a pleasure. thank you very much crusader alex armstrong, always a pyour|re. thank you very much crusader alex armstrong, always a pyour time. ank you very much crusader alex armstrong, always a pyour time. christianyery much crusader alex armstrong, always a pyour time. christian khalji,|ch for your time. christian khalji, i want to come to the wet in the room and i want to ask you, you must be you are a big fan of david cameron, right? do you support him on this? >> i wouldn't say i'm a fan. i certainly miss out. what was six years of vague , quiet, competent years of vague, quiet, competent government , right. that's what government, right. that's what he was good on comes he ran fairly a smooth ship until it hit the buffers in 2016. with that referendum . so i hope that that referendum. so i hope that it brings an element of stability . i said on monday, you stability. i said on monday, you know , when i was asked about how know, when i was asked about how david cameron would square the fact that he's been quite outspoken against the government on a number of policy issues, i said he'll probably fall in line on things like hs2 , but behind on things like hs2, but behind the scenes he will now be

lobbying for that nought point 7% of foreign aid to come back because it was one of his sort of proud babies of his time in government and was furious when bofis government and was furious when boris johnson and rishi sunak cut it in response to the cost of living crisis. and of course, under him is andrew mitchell, who was big fan of all of this. >> oh, massive. >> oh, massive. >> so the foreign office is now one unified, dominant figure for pushing this. and i'll be pushing for this. and i'll be very interested to see how jeremy tries to reject it, jeremy hunt tries to reject it, because the government is right. no thing is improved in terms of the public finances since the cut was made . i will just say cut was made. i will just say i think it's important not to too be simplistic on foreign aid. it can be useful as a soft power tool tool. and in terms of creating better economies in areas to reduce, for example, extreme ism. however, i remember when dfid , the foreign aid when dfid, the foreign aid department was abolished, i said it should have been put in the

department for trade and not the foreign office, because the single best thing you can do for foreign countries is foreign countries economies is open free trade with them open up free trade with them rather than state handouts . as rather than state handouts. as the government's current ideology is. >> well, sir matthew would argue that actually trade not aid, is what we ought to be doing . what we ought to be doing. >> i think it's possible to do both just a couple things. both just a couple of things. first you said who first of all, you said alex, who is coherent he is very coherent in what he believes. called believes. you called him, i think, sense crusader, think, a common sense crusader, which my mind means you agree which to my mind means you agree with him. i think that i speak common as well. and common sense as well. and also, there's nothing me. there's nothing wet about me. i can substance can promise you on the substance of this. well, was christian of this. well, it was christian i was calling that. i imagine if you think christians wet, you probably think i'm even wes streeting. now the streeting. but listen now on the substance this, going substance of this, this is going to right to absolutely horrify the right wing of the tory party. it will no doubt wind up some gb news viewers as well. do i think that rishi sunak knows whether he's coming or going? of course he doesn't. one minute he's trying to red wall or the blue to woo the red wall or the blue wall up up in the north and the northeast. the next minute he's trying home counties .

trying to woo the home counties. so he's lost as a prime minister and i think we can all agree is going minister at the going as a prime minister at the next election. does next general election. why does foreign matter ? it matters foreign aid matter? it matters because us influence in because it gives us influence in the world. it matters because we do have a moral responsibility beyond our own borders. we are not a country that lives in isolation . it is, as christian isolation. it is, as christian says , partly about soft power. says, partly about soft power. and let me give you one example. we are, as a country, desperately trying to stop these dangerous boats at crossings, aren't we? i think we can all agree that that is what is at least being attempted. one one way of making it less likely that people are desperate to get to this country. and it's a great country, hence why people want get here is by invest want to get here is by invest getting in war torn getting in the war torn countries from whence they come. and if we put money into those areas and if we try to help those economies and those societies, then we will live in a better world, a safer world, and a world we hope in which fewer people will want to risk their lives and come into

britain. so i mean, christian, a lot of viewers will be saying, i've no doubt. >> well, look , that's all well >> well, look, that's all well and good, but what how much money international money have the international community gaza, for community sent into gaza, for example ? it ain't got worked example? it ain't got worked wonders there , has it's wonders there, has it? it's a hotbed of extremism . hotbed of extremism. >> no, no. i was i was in >> no, no. and i was i was in israel earlier this year before there was any sign that this war was about to start. and even then, you know, i was speaking to people in israel and there were major concerns about to what extent, extent wants foreign aid has entered a country and we can ensure that it is being spent at least, you know , on the projects that we know, on the projects that we want it to be spent on. and there's always been a concern with palestine and hamas that they have been siphoning off funds. they have been siphoning off funds . and we've even seen funds. and we've even seen today, you know, water, electricity, food are still being siphoned off by hamas . and being siphoned off by hamas. and we simply are not at the moment capable to ensure when we give that aid, when we're trying to be humane and generous and charitable, that it is going

towards the, you know, the people of gaza who desperately need that support and that is really one of the reasons why hamas have to be dealt with in gaza. >> so, i mean, do you think daily express readers will be listening to what matthew had to say earlier when he was saying, look, there are millions of people in this country struggling to actually pay their bills the minute, and they'll bills at the minute, and they'll be saying, well, look, need be saying, well, look, we need to to money help to direct this to money help people before we consider people here before we consider helping people abroad . helping people abroad. >> aid no, absolutely. and that's why say i don't i think that's why i say i don't i think the government set out a number of test s that have to be met when for it to go back up to 0.7. i don't believe their tests are anywhere near being met. so it would be the wrong time to put foreign aid back up to 0.7. but on a political point i said when cameron was made foreign secretary, the thing the right are going to be looking out for is proof of cameron's influence, not just on foreign policy, but on on treasury policy, on

political tactics, and to what extent number 10 and the treasury yield to these calls to put foreign aid back up is going to be a big test of whether rishi sunak is his own man or whether he is just cameron's lap. >> it's not his own man. i mean, we could i think surely we could agree on that. he sort of flaps around wind said, around with the wind as i said, one he's trying to appeal one minute he's trying to appeal to right. that's to the populist. right. that's why of the reasons why he why he one of the reasons why he brought in suella braverman in the first place as home secretary was to secretary and then was forced to sack next minute . he's sack her the next minute. he's trying to the centre, trying to appeal to the centre, which he knows surely he has to have some sort of grip on some sort persuasiveness with if sort of persuasiveness with if he wants to win the next election . so rishi sunak is election. so what rishi sunak is focussed on at any one minute is his own electoral chances, his own interests . and i think those own interests. and i think those electoral chances are toast. >> okay. matthew stadlen there . >> okay. matthew stadlen there. thank you for that. and christine kelsey, before him, thank very much to you thank you very much to you can get loads more on that story on our website gbnews.com. fastest growing national news website in

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>> welcome back to gb news sunday with me, darren grimes on your tv, online and on digital radio. now see rhys, 23 of i'm a celebrity. get me out of here begins tonight with all of your second favourite geordie broads masters now it's in tonight from the australian jungle. it's set for a dramatic launch as high profile contestants include jamie lynn spears, the sister of p0p jamie lynn spears, the sister of pop star britney , and someone pop star britney, and someone that we know closer to home. our very own gb news presenter nigel farage, who'll be competing in the gruesome challenges down under. the gruesome challenges down under . well, joining me now to under. well, joining me now to discuss is the reporter and broadcaster stephanie techy. stephanie, thank you very much for your time. steph we've seen images and i wonder if we can just get them on on screen here of nigel in what appears to be some form of gunge. what do you think that is? is he searching for stars or something wrong? yeah well, basically, as you

said, darren, it is going to be a dramatic start to the season 23 of i'm a celebrity and no one's been spared, especially nigel. >> so tonight we're going to see nigel. josie gibson and nella rose far in the outback, 2000 miles away from the rest of the campmates, where they have to win stars in order for the camp to eat. so if they don't win this challenge, it looks pretty slimy right now. nigel looks goodin slimy right now. nigel looks good in a pink shirt, but from what i've seen, by the end of it, he is going to be covered in gunge from head to toe. so it's not going to be great and think this is only beginning of this is only the beginning of the embarrassing challenges that nigel may be potentially be put up for the next three weeks. yeah. >> i mean , steph, the daily mail >> i mean, steph, the daily mail are reporting that he will be exempt from some bushtucker trials due to previous sustained injuries. but this looks very much to me like he's very much taken part in bushtucker trials, doesit taken part in bushtucker trials, does it not? >> well, he is, but the fact is

the producers are going to have to make it hard for nigel because unfortunately he did have that plane crash in 2010 and had his neck reconstructed. >> so usually the contestants will be skydiving into the camp. but which nigel can't do, he can't do any of the weightlifting kind of trials. so i can imagine the producers are really going to be pushing the boat on what he can do because as as we saw with matt hancock last year, when you do have a desire isi've a divisive political character that's going to be on the camp, the public are going to be voting to put nigel through his paces. so you are going to see some ugly things, whether it's eating things, whether it's him eating kangaroo testicles or he may be lying in a coffin full of rats . lying in a coffin full of rats. they are going to think of the most ugliest things to do to nigel. >> yes, indeed. i mean, stephanie , do you reckon stephanie, do you reckon actually he has a chance , do you actually he has a chance, do you think, with a is it a primarily younger audience that's tuning in in large numbers, of course, to watch i'm celeb to watch i'm a celeb >> well, surprisingly, last year

when matt hancock came on, everyone was like, he's going to be this hate figure due to covid and how he handled it, but by the end of it he became a bit of a tik tok sensation. you had a lot of generation z who had crushes on matt hancock and he managed to turn the tide a bit and think that nigel will be will do the same. he's always said that he felt he's been demonised over the past few years, so you might be surprised he might get a new following from z and obviously from generation z and obviously he's got a lot of support from the viewers. so i think the gb news viewers. so i think that will all cross over and i would be surprised see would not be surprised if we see nigel final two. nigel in the final two. >> indeed. well, steph, we'll see what happens. it's going to be fascinating to watch. stephanie there. thank stephanie takyi there. thank you very time . now very much for your time. now coming back to my panel, christine and matthew stadlen . christine and matthew stadlen. do you think he can do it? >> i can't wait. and i think it will be. i think it's very likely he gets to the final . likely he gets to the final. whether he can push past that third place that matt hancock

came to, it's difficult because ultimately the audience is always going to be mainly about the celebrity , but it's the celebrity, but it's certainly a better strategy to be noticed. and nigel is certainly going to be noticed . certainly going to be noticed. and it's he is almost certainly going to do every trial that the pubuc going to do every trial that the public are allowed to vote him to do for the next couple of weeks. so it's going to be gruelling. he's going to earn that pay packet, certainly. >> oh, they'll make sure of it. >> oh, they'll make sure of it. >> matthew, do you actually reckon is could be a reckon that this is could be a beneficial thing for farage? so i could have been in the jungle with him. oh wow. this. yeah. yeah >>atv yeah >> a tv producer friend said that going someone that we're going to put someone right there and maybe they right wing there and maybe they should to give a bit should consider me to give a bit of balance. i'll tell you what, nigel farage said some nigel farage has said some horrendous his time. horrendous things in his time. i'm not a fan, but i've met him on occasions . we both on numerous occasions. we both used to be presenters at the same channel and i enjoyed talking to him. he has the common there's doubt talking to him. he has the comm it. there's doubt talking to him. he has the comm it. and there's doubt talking to him. he has the comm it. and although doubt talking to him. he has the comm it. and although he'sioubt about it. and although he's a vastly divisive figure, think vastly divisive figure, i think he have enough support out

he will have enough support out there to make sure he wins it. >> well, i think he's brilliant and definitely and i'll be definitely supporting him all the way. but folks watching listening folks are watching and listening to gb news sunday with me, darren grimes. we've got loads more but first of more coming up. but first of all, we're get a news all, we're going to get a news update . aaron update with. aaron >> very good afternoon to you. it's 2:28. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. the qatari prime minister says only minor differences stand between hamas and israel agreeing to a hostage release deal. he says the obstacles are practical and logistical . now, it hasn't been logistical. now, it hasn't been confirmed by israel's prime minister, benjamin netanyahu , minister, benjamin netanyahu, but in the last few minutes , the but in the last few minutes, the israeli ambassador to the us, michael herzog , has said in an michael herzog, has said in an interview on us television that israel is hopeful a significant number of hostages could be released by hamas in in the coming days. and more than 200

hostages were taken by hamas on october the 7th. so far , four october the 7th. so far, four have been released . one managed have been released. one managed to be recovered by the idf and dozens have been killed. the chancellor says the government is acting responsibly amid suggestions tax cuts will be announced in the autumn statement on wednesday. jeremy hunt told gb news he won't introduce any kind of measure that risks fuelling inflation after it . over the past after having it. over the past yearit after having it. over the past year it has been widely reported that to inheritance and that cuts to inheritance and income tax are being considered income tax are being considered in an effort to boost the economy. the chancellor , though, economy. the chancellor, though, insists week's statement economy. the chancellor, though, insisbe week's statement economy. the chancellor, though, insisbe all week's statement economy. the chancellor, though, insisbe all about�*s statement economy. the chancellor, though, insisbe all about�*s staten het will be all about growth. he homeowners could be offered up to £1,000 per year off their household bills if they are prepared to live near new electricity pylons . the electricity pylons. the government is hoping the move will overcome planning objections and speed up the infrastructure needed for electric vehicles. it could be worth up £10,000 a worth up to £10,000 over a decade for some of the treasury, though hasn't specified where that going to from that money is going to come from . and a woman who acted as a fixer people smugglers has fixer for people smugglers has

been for seven half been jailed for seven and a half years. 32 year old jessica mcharg, who's from albania , mcharg, who's from albania, helped arrange small boat crossings from france to the uk for albanian nationals. she was arrested at her home in oxfordshire last year and will be deported upon her release from prison . we'll have more in from prison. we'll have more in about half an hour's time or there's more now on our website, gbnews.com . gbnews.com. >> thank you, aaron. lots more to come on today's show . as the to come on today's show. as the snp health minister apologise for racking up an 11 grand data bill on his ipad, i'll be debating the culture of the snp up in holyrood. are they untouchable and how much are they governing in scotland ? they governing in scotland? their best interests ? we'll their best interests? we'll discuss. first of all though, let's have a check on what the weather is up to . weather is up to. >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast . latest gb news weather forecast. i'm craig snell. well, looking ahead to the new working week,

we are going to start off rather grey and damp for some of us it will be dry in midweek, for will be dry in midweek, but for all it like it's going to all it looks like it's going to turn we towards turn colder as we head towards next back to the here turn colder as we head towards nextnow. back to the here turn colder as we head towards nextnow. we back to the here turn colder as we head towards nextnow. we stillck to the here turn colder as we head towards nextnow. we still areo the here turn colder as we head towards nextnow. we still are dominated and now. we still are dominated by area of low by this huge area of low pressure . note the tightly pressure. note the tightly packed indicating it's packed isobars indicating it's going to be fairly blustery as we end sunday. a lot of we end at sunday. quite a lot of cloud around with some outbreaks of rain keeping close eye of rain keeping a very close eye on this next area of rain. however, as it moves into parts of wales, southwest of south wales, southwest england night england throughout the night could squally for could turn quite squally for a time. with all cloud and time. but with all the cloud and rain around, it's going to be another mild one right another fairly mild one right across uk . so we start across the uk. so we start monday morning potentially be quite wet across parts of southern england, but that will clear off towards france as we head towards the middle of head towards the middle part of the morning. may briefly the morning. that may briefly allow spells to allow some sunnier spells to develop across parts of the midlands east anglia for a time, but for a lot the uk it's but for a lot of the uk it's going to be a grey start going to be a fairly grey start to new work in week. further to the new work in week. further outbreaks that may well outbreaks of rain that may well be persistent up across be fairly persistent up across parts of northern scotland and with a northerly wind starting

to develop, it will be slightly cooler than the weekend. but still on the mild side, ed into tuesday, another fairly grey picture parts of england and picture for parts of england and wales. risk of some outbreaks of rain in the east. brighter and dner rain in the east. brighter and drier for scotland and northern ireland. that will sink its way southwards into england and wales into wednesday wales as we go into wednesday and thursday . and thursday. >> join us every night on gb news at 11 pm. for headliners, which is three top comedians going through the next day's news stories , which is exactly news stories, which is exactly what you need because when they establishment , establishment has gone crazy, you need some craziness to make sense it. sense of it. >> headliners you don't have to bother reading the newspaper. >> you >> we've got it covered for you every night at 11 pm. and repeated every morning at 5 am. we won't send you to sleep like some of the other paper review shows there. shows out there. >> so join us at 11 pm. every night on news. people's night on gb news. the people's channel night on gb news. the people's channel, channel . channel, britain's news channel. >> welcome back to gb news

sunday with me, darren grimes on your tv, online and on digital radio. scottish health secretary has apologised sized for incurring an £11,000 data bill. what was he watching whilst using an ipad abroad? michael matheson ran up a huge data roaming charge while on holiday in morocco last year. the falkirk west msp told parliament the scottish parliament that his sons used his ipad to watch football and admitted mistakes were made , saying he would pay were made, saying he would pay the money back . the news comes the money back. the news comes as the snp engage in some soul searching as many former members say the party is has become unthinking under nicola sturgeon's leadership. now, of course in the control of humza yousaf. well joining me to discuss this is the scottish political editor of the scottish daily mail, michael blakely. michael, thank you for your time as ever. i'm wondering what on earth the football could have been. was he watching the entire

run through of the champions league? this is extraordinary . league? this is extraordinary. >> well, it has been an absolutely astonishing story. the truth about this only came out on thursday when michael matheson made a statement to msps and he explained that his two sons had been watching football and two days when there was pretty heavy data use while he was on a family holiday in morocco. until then, he had spent two whole weeks insisting that this use was all down to parliamentary purposes . so the parliamentary purposes. so the truth was really dragged out following several days of controversy about this. and we only eventually learned that it was the sons watching. it was an old firm game on january the second, which seems to have been the match that was mainly responsible for this. this £11,000 bill. all it's absolutely extra ordinary. >> there's just a massive sum of money. and then how did it end up that that cost may have to be

borne out by the taxpayer ? borne out by the taxpayer? >> yeah. so this was michael matheson is a government minister, but this was him using his parliamentary device. so the scottish parliament would normally pick up the cost of parliamentary devices, even while he was he had taken it on a family holiday. it remains a bit unclear as to exactly why he took that device there in the first place, because while msps might claim that they're working every day of the year , i think every day of the year, i think reasonably there's probably very little constituency business to be done over the december, january , christmas holiday january, christmas holiday period. and given that this bill was racked up in his one week that he was in in morocco, dunng that he was in in morocco, during that that period and some of the bill on january the 2nd, i don't think he'd be expected to be dealing with too many constituency matters . and then constituency matters. and then there's also been questions in this for humza yousaf as well,

though, because he's defended michael matheson from the start and he insisted it was a legitimate parliamentary expense from the start and even when he was eventually told the truth, he was still defending michael matheson and insisting that the case is closed about his conduct. so there's real questions about how this has been handled for from the snp. have they been brushing it under the carpet hoping that the truth didn't come out ? now it has come didn't come out? now it has come out and people are pretty angry about it. >> well, i bet they are. i bet they are. michael blackley, thank you very that's thank you very much. that's michael there from the michael blackley there from the scottish always is scottish daily mail. always is worth your time. matt you i'm wondering . well, the snp , dare wondering. well, the snp, dare i say, and i'm look, i put my cards on the table. i'm not a massive fan of the snp , but they massive fan of the snp, but they are pretty snookered at the minute, aren't they? >> i'm not a massive fan of the snp. i think the only winners out story, if you leave out of this story, if you leave

the detail aside and you had quite of the detail quite a lot of the detail accounted there, winners accounted for there, the winners are labour surely, aren't they, because labour are going to struggle to win an overall majority. have thought majority. i would have thought without making major gains in scotland. if you think about the blair years and the three successive election victories that he managed for the labour party, that was partly on the back of unquestioned support , back of unquestioned support, but almost in scotland . and then but almost in scotland. and then when the snp took a stranglehold on on scottish politics that speu on on scottish politics that spelt disaster for labour, the snp now seem to be in a bit of a muddle. we had nicola sturgeon stepping down. now we've got this issue and i think labour will be cockahoop if they don't seize on this now to win some serious gains at the next election, they'll only have themselves to blame . themselves to blame. >> i mean, carl christian, even so, used to calling you . i do so, used to calling you. i do you actually think that humza yousuf has? well, he's basically had his day in that, you know, the end is nigh.

>> well, i think the problem for the snp is , is that the party it the snp is, is that the party it was sort of rotten to the core before nicola sturgeon stepped down. >> don't hold back they but they they sort of they've managed to paper over the cracks with quite a charismatic leader in nicola sturgeon. >> the problem is that facade is now gone and i think the voters are now seeing the party for what it is. and it's not snp specific right? it's any party that's been in power for a considerable length of time. it does start to rot like this. it starts to smell . you start starts to smell. you start having these sleaze stories , having these sleaze stories, whether it was labour in the late noughties, whether it's the tories now or in the head of 97. so that's really this is not a story that in ten years time people are going to remember , people are going to remember, but it it adds up to that wider sense that obviously you've got the police investigations, the wider snp finances , you've got wider snp finances, you've got its weird coalition with the greens and their mouthing off. you've got the slides in the opinion polls, the prediction

labour may overtake them in seats. so once again, not only doesit seats. so once again, not only does it compound that it also sucks the oxygen out of the room for humza yousaf, who would obviously rather be talking about anything else. >> that is that of >> caveat to that is that of course independence is course scottish independence is a big single issue and you'll still have people who want independence. >> indeed . lots more coming up >> indeed. lots more coming up though, on today's show, folks. sinn fein, they've been calling for israel's ambassador to ireland to be expelled until a ceasefire is enforced. it's madness. all of that and more to come . i'm darren grimes. and come. i'm darren grimes. and you're watching and listening to gb news, britain's news channel

this evening. gb news the people's . channel welcome people's. channel welcome back to gb news sunday with me, darren grimes on your tv online and on digital radio. >> now sinn fein biggest party in northern ireland. they've called for the israeli ambassador to ireland to be expelled . and until a ceasefire expelled. and until a ceasefire is imposed between israel and hamas on friday, the party president , hamas on friday, the party president, mary lou hamas on friday, the party president , mary lou mcdonald, president, mary lou mcdonald, said the deepening scale of the crisis means sanctions are needed. but israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu , has minister benjamin netanyahu, has said that there will be no temporary ceasefire until israeli hostages are released from gaza. you might well argue that's fair enough. so what's behind sinn fein's hardline pro—polish stance? well, joining me now is the executive editor of belfast telegraph, john laverty . john, thank you very

laverty. john, thank you very much for your time . i'm much for your time. i'm wondering, we saw the scenes, extraordinary scenes of the palestinian ambassador to ireland receiving a standing ovation in at the sinn fein conference there. i think we've got some pictures from of that that took place. why is it that that's taking place? john, it just strikes me as absolutely extraordinary and surely as northern ireland voters may well be a little unnerved by that , be a little unnerved by that, there's a lot of people have been very confused recently about about sinn fein, funnily enough , and them calling for the enough, and them calling for the ambassador at the israeli ambassador at the israeli ambassador to be kicked out of ireland is actually nothing new. >> it's been going on for a couple of years now, but remarkably they changed their stance about a week or so a couple of weeks ago because when several councils in northern ireland voted for the israeli

ambassador to call for the israeli ambassador to be expelled from ireland , sinn fein expelled from ireland, sinn fein councillors actually did not vote on that . they actually vote on that. they actually abstained. now this came as quite a shock to a lot of republicans. if you if you know northern ireland, the unionist and the and the loyalists are very, very much behind israel, whereas the republican and nationalists are behind palestine, it's just as binary as that , but not so much in the as that, but not so much in the in southern ireland. and the republic, because it's basically all palestinian based. so calling for the ambassador of israel to be expelled is nothing actually new, although it's not going to happen because there was a vote in the doyle a couple of days ago and it was reasonably well defeated. um, i think they're going to keep those they're certainly going to keep those channels open. but

ireland was one of the last places in the world to have an israeli ambassador. so it's there. they have been siding with palestine for a long time, especially since 1967. and nothing's going to change that way . way. >> john, why is it then that there is this proxy where as you rightly say, you know, you'll see in in loyalist communities and unionist areas, you'll see israeli flags fly and even outside of people's gardens and then the reverse , of course, for then the reverse, of course, for supporters of a united ireland, you'll see palestinian flags when did this happen and how do you reckon it happened? because to a lot of us here in mainland gb, you're thinking why on earth are they flying a foreign flag ? are they flying a foreign flag? >> yeah. and it can be a little bit confusing, but this proxy has been going on for quite a while. but it's, it's very pronounced now. loyalist said

with, with israel because they believe that the they're surrounded by a hostile nation, if you like , i.e. the republic if you like, i.e. the republic of ireland. i mean it's rather ridiculous when you think about it. but that's that's the way they say. whereas the republicans and the nationalists say with the palestinian side, because they believe that some of their land, i.e. northern ireland, has been taken away from them the same way as it israel , result from them the same way as it israel, result in a lot of the palestinian land being taken away. so it's a proxy war. it's away. so it's a proxy war. it's a silly thing because it it nobody's going to die here because of because they're siding with one side or the other. but that explains it. so if you if you travel around northern ireland, see the israeli flags, you know, you're in a loyalist protestant area and vice versa with the other side. >> just very briefly , have have >> just very briefly, have have the irish government actually come out and said that hamas are a terrorist organisation ?

a terrorist organisation? >> i no , and that's quite >> i no, and that's quite extraordinary in and of itself, is it not? well, it's been that way for quite a while. and the i don't believe the they are sorry when i say i don't believe they don't mean i don't believe they are, but i don't believe the i don't believe the irish side of things are going to go that far right. >> okay. i see what you mean. yeah. john you were about to make a really shocking admission there. but laverty, thank there. but john laverty, thank you the belfast you very much, from the belfast telegraph. they a great paper. christian, want come to christian, i want to come to you, first all, do you know you, first of all, do you know what? sick being lectured what? i'm sick of being lectured to by irish politicians about everything from brexit to goodness only knows what making out that britain is some kind of backwater when they can't even bnng backwater when they can't even bring themselves to call hamas a terrorist organisation ? terrorist organisation? >> well, exactly . i mean, you >> well, exactly. i mean, you seem surprised that unionists in northern ireland will be

supporting israel. i mean, union ists have had to , you know, ists have had to, you know, fight against terrorism in northern ireland for decades and it doesn't surprise me at all that they would be sending a signal of solidarity with israel. i think it's genuinely concerning for britain to have a neighbour who have consistently not just got foreign policy wrong, but actually quite offensively. so i mean , you offensively. so i mean, you know, i always cite the example , know, i always cite the example, you know, ireland as a country sent a commission letter to germany after hitler killed himself. i mean, they have an astonishing foreign policy track record. and this is just yet another one of them seemingly largely siding with the wrong side . i mean, largely siding with the wrong side. i mean, i'm largely siding with the wrong side . i mean, i'm glad, by the side. i mean, i'm glad, by the way, it's worth noting that in the end, ireland voted against expelling the israeli ambassador. but the fact that i think it was around 55 members of the irish parliament voted to do so against 85 of its really worrying and this is saying

nothing about about ireland's foreign policy for which obviously i'm not remotely responsible , but i would just responsible, but i would just say , i mean, we haven't got the say, i mean, we haven't got the best foreign policy track record ourselves. >> i voted for new labour, but we went to a war in iraq, which many people think was an illegal war. we didn't exactly help in libya under david cameron's leadership. so i think we've got to get own house in order as to get our own house in order as far as sort of allegiances far as these sort of allegiances that crop up over the israel hamas conflict. and by the way, i'll say straight hamas is i'll say straight up, hamas is a death cult. it's not just a terror organisation. it is a death cult. there's committed to killing wiping israel off killing jews, wiping israel off the mat and is prepared to endure the most terrible suffering of its own people for its own psychotic end. so let's get that absolutely clear. but it's interesting because you see a lot of indian people on twitter supporting israel because they say , see israel, because they say, see israel, some of these people as a sort of bulwark against muslims . as of bulwark against muslims. as you will see, people in malaysia , not all of them, of course, support arming palestine and

perhaps even hamas, because they because they are anti—semitic . a because they are anti—semitic. a lot of these people it's interesting to look at south africa. i mean, some people in south perhaps lot of south africa, perhaps a lot of people africa, have people in south africa, have sympathy palestinians sympathy for the palestinians because like amnesty because they like amnesty international, israel an international, see israel as an apartheid state. i don't call israel an apartheid state. i think if we just come back to the of what's actually the issue of what's actually happening over happening on the ground over there, after the atrocities of october the seventh, the unspeakable savage that was witnessed, the question was how is israel going to respond ? and is israel going to respond? and there was a really interesting, well—written piece by matthew paris in the saturday times yesterday in which he said, look, i'm not military expert. look, i'm not a military expert. i what it takes to i don't know what it takes to get rid of hamas. what i do know is that israel is losing support internationally because the figures coming out of gaza, of the deaths of children which aren't widely contested, 5000, if they are to be believed, is losing israel. the international

pr war. >> okay. i mean, christine, do you agree with that? because, i mean, a lot of the bbc articles that i've been reading, they seem to quote hamas as a verifiable source , as israel verifiable source, as israel was, was always going to lose the so—called pr war. >> i mean, the moment they started hitting back at hamas, people , you could tell which way people, you could tell which way this was going. i think there are there are many , many people are there are many, many people in the west on the centre and the centre left who essentially wanted israel to have a couple of days of solemn remembrance in in memory of the people that were killed in that pogrom and then move on without any repercussions. that's that's really the only way israel wouldn't have been subject to abuse. and it might be a middle way, though, mightn't there? >> between two days of silence and 5000 children dead to me. hang on, palestinian child. hang on. is worth every israeli child . and both of those children are worth as much my child. the worth as much as my child. the only people that are responsible for deaths in gaza are simply not true . not true. >> you might as well be a

spokesman for the for the israeli israeli government. what you're citing you're you're you're citing you're citing hamas, the united nations is basically upholding , okay, is basically upholding, okay, let's write off the united nafions let's write off the united nations organisation that has terror and dictatorship states on its human rights council . on its human rights council. >> do you think any number of do you think any number of children in palestine can be killed, should killed the of should be killed in the name of irad equating hamas? think irad equating hamas? i think israel gave every resident of gaza opportunity to get out gaza an opportunity to get out and hamas or to an hour or two or we've got time for unfortunately, that could have gone on. unfortunately, that could have gor matthew on. unfortunately, that could have gor matthew stadler and christine >> matthew stadler and christine kelly, your time kelly, thank you for your time today. folks have been watching and news sunday and listening to gb news sunday with darren grimes, thank with me. darren grimes, thank you company. and again, you for your company. and again, my . go anywhere, my panel. don't go anywhere, though, up next. though, because nana is up next. first it's the . weather for. >> hello there . welcome to your >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast . latest gb news weather forecast. i'm craig snell. well, looking ahead to the new working week, we are going to start off rather grey damp for some of us it

grey and damp for some of us it will be dry in midweek, but for all looks like it's going to all it looks like it's going to turn we head towards turn colder as we head towards next back the here next weekend. back to the here and still are dominated and now. we still are dominated by this huge area of low pressure. note tightly pressure. note the tightly packed indicating it's packed isobars indicating it's going fairly blustery as going to be fairly blustery as we sunday. quite a lot of we end at sunday. quite a lot of cloud around with some outbreaks of rain keeping close eye of rain keeping a very close eye on next area of rain. on this next area of rain. however, as it moves into parts of south southwest of south wales, southwest england throughout the night could squally could turn quite squally for a time. with all the cloud and time. but with all the cloud and rain it's going to be rain around, it's going to be another mild one right another fairly mild one right across the uk . so we start across the uk. so we start monday morning, across the uk. so we start monday morning , potentially monday morning, potentially quite wet across parts of southern england, but that will clear off towards france as we head towards the middle of head towards the middle part of the that may briefly the morning. that may briefly allow spells to allow some sunnier spells to develop across parts of the midlands east anglia for time, midlands east anglia for a time, but for a lot of the uk it's going to be a fairly grey start to the new working week. further outbreaks of rain may outbreaks of rain that may well be persistent up across be fairly persistent up across parts of northern scotland and with a northerly wind starting to develop, it will be slightly

cooler the weekend. but cooler than the weekend. but still mild side into still on the mild side into tuesday. another fairly grey picture for parts of england and wales. risk of some outbreaks of rain in the east brighter and dner rain in the east brighter and drier for scotland and northern ireland that will sink its way southwards into england and wales go into wednesday wales as we go into wednesday and thursday . good afternoon, britain. >> good afternoon , britain. >> good afternoon, britain. >> good afternoon, britain. >> join us, tom and to emily, find out what's happening in the heart of westminster and why it matters to you. >> weekdays from midday , we >> weekdays from midday, we bnng >> weekdays from midday, we bring you the most compelling stories from across the united kingdom and from your doorstep to inbox . that's right. we to our inbox. that's right. we want to hear from you, news, want to hear from you, gb news, britain's news channel

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labour mp stephen pound. looking mean there. stephen but before we get started , let's get your we get started, let's get your latest news headlines with . latest news headlines with. aaron very good afternoon to you. >> it's 3:00 i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. israel's ambassador to the us says he's hopeful a significant number of hostages will be released by hamas in the coming days. his comments come after the qatari prime minister indicated earlier only minor logistical issues stand in the way of a hostage release deal. although israel's leader , benjamin netanyahu, leader, benjamin netanyahu, insists nothing has been agreed . insists nothing has been agreed. qatar, which is home to many hamas leaders, has played a key role in mediation throughout the conflict . more than 200 hostages conflict. more than 200 hostages were taken by hamas on the 7th of october. so far, four have been released. one has been rescued and dozens have been killed . the chancellor says the killed. the chancellor says the government is acting responsibly amid suggestions tax cuts will be announced in next week's autumn. statement but jeremy hunt told