november. >> migration backlash. rishi sunak faces revolt from his own mps as net migration remains at record high levels. this comes as our own nigel farage faced accusations of being anti immigration and anti black in the jungle. finally, your anti immigrants . immigrants. >> and who told you that? >> and who told you that? >> oh, the internet told oh well, there we are then. >> it must be true. it must be true. it be. it must be true. >> okay. but then why don't black people like him? >> you'd be amazed. they do. you'd nigel, you you'd be amazed, nigel, if you highest tax burden since world war ii or the biggest tax cuts in history, can these both sentences be true? >> well , our sentences be true? >> well, our budget reaction continues as political earthquake in the netherlands and anti—islam politician geert wilders storms to a shock victory in the dutch elections is more anti eu sentiment spreading across europe .

spreading across europe. and what an own goal. see what we did here. the wembley arch will no longer light up for lgbt pride the ukraine cause or other political events . this after political events. this after backlash at its failure to show solidarity with israel. but is this the right move at the wrong time or the wrong move altogether ? altogether? >> i can't wait to debate this one with our panel. the mind boggles. why have they chosen now ? how to stop virtue now? how to stop virtue signalling on social causes? political causes using the wembley arch ? we've seen it lit wembley arch? we've seen it lit up for lgbt. we've seen it lit up for lgbt. we've seen it lit up for lgbt. we've seen it lit up for ukraine. we've seen it lit up for paris when they suffered terror attacks. why now? why is israel a the turning point? and it's interesting. >> if we're not going to see it lit up for political events or indeed terror attacks in the future , what if, god forbid,

future, what if, god forbid, a british city were to be struck by a significant terror attack? would the wembley arch not light up in solidarity for the victims there? why is israel in particular different? >> yes, that would surely be a political event to if under some kind of definition, a terror attack here, we'll get into that. we'll get stuck into that debate. but first, it's your headunes debate. but first, it's your headlines with . tamsin emily, headlines with. tamsin emily, thanks very much. >> good afternoon from the gb news room. it's 1202 net migration to the uk was up in 2022, although new figures show a downward trend to june this yean a downward trend to june this year, according to the office for national statistics, a record was hit in december with 745,000 arrivals. that's estimated to drop to just over 670,000 in the year to june, most estimates suggest immigration is slowing, while the number of people leaving the uk is going up. the number of people leaving the uk is going up . home secretary uk is going up. home secretary james cleverly says the new

figures doesn't show a significant increase . the timing significant increase. the timing of the next election had no impact on the decision to cut taxes , according to the taxes, according to the chancellor, jeremy hunt used the autumn statement yesterday to announce cuts to national insurance , thus saving someone insurance, thus saving someone earning . £35,000, more than £450 earning. £35,000, more than £450 a year, he said. the economy has defied a year, he said. the economy has defied the odds and that a recession had been avoided . recession had been avoided. >> but the measures that i've taken today are what more than 200 businesses wrote to me to ask for the big business organisation , like the cbi said , organisation, like the cbi said, it was the single most transformative thing that i could do. they're not particularly proud pleasers. they're not the tax cuts that are on the tip of everyone's tongues like an income tax cut or inheritance tax. but they are the things that will make the biggest difference our long biggest difference to our long term competitiveness . term competitiveness. >> shadow financial secretary to the treasury james murray, says

the treasury james murray, says the public feels neglected. >> you've had 13 years of low growth, you've had high taxes, you've had public services crumbling and i think , you know, crumbling and i think, you know, people know how they feel in this country at the moment under the cost of living crisis. if you ask families, you know, do you ask families, you know, do you your and your family you and your you and your family feel better off now than you were years ago? think were 13 years ago? i think right across overwhelming across britain, the overwhelming answer will and all of answer will be no. and all of thatis answer will be no. and all of that is borne out by the statistics and the figures which were issued yesterday alongside the and the the autumn statement and the prospects for growth and change in future are not there in the future are not there either . ehhen >> desphe ehhen >> despite those tax cuts, energy bills are expected to rise after the energy regulator announced a 5% increase to the price cap from january. the average household will pay around £94 more over the course of the year . ofgem says the of the year. ofgem says the increase is driven mostly by market instability and global events, including the war in ukraine. the foreign secretary is visiting israel amid

uncertainty about when a pause in the war with hamas will begin . the agreement for a four day ceasefire in gaza appears to have been delayed , a senior have been delayed, a senior israeli official said. it would not take effect before friday, a day later than originally expected . and under the planned expected. and under the planned agreement, hamas will release 50 israeli hostages . in exchange israeli hostages. in exchange for 150 palestinian prisoners . for 150 palestinian prisoners. david cameron says he wants to see the agreed pause in fighting. >> today is also a day where we hope to see this humanitarian pause. hope to see this humanitarian pause . i hope to see this humanitarian pause. i think hope to see this humanitarian pause . i think that's important pause. i think that's important because it's an opportunity to get hostages out , out and to get get hostages out, out and to get aid in. and i hope and would urge everyone who is involved in that agreement to make sure that it happens . the government's top it happens. the government's top scientific adviser , who once scientific adviser, who once referred to rishi sunak as dr. death , has told the covid death, has told the covid inquiry that short circuit breakers would have been more effective than lockdowns .

effective than lockdowns. >> professor dame angela mclean said discussions in september 2020 as assumed that cases would rise due to seasonal factors. her view was that interventions aimed at keeping infections flat would avoid creating what she called a panicky situation. she added that harsh lockdowns had to be enforced because they were left to the last possible moment . a euro sceptic politician whose anti—israel comments have led to death threats could be on track to become the next prime minister of the netherlands . minister of the netherlands. geert wilders is leading talks to form a coalition government after his freedom party scored an upset last night. he promised to be a prime minister for everyone, but the result will send shockwaves across europe. the right wing populist has stoked tensions and generated headunes stoked tensions and generated headlines with promises to freeze immigration, slash payments to the eu and veto all new members to the bloc, including ukraine. but despite his euro scepticism , he'll have

his euro scepticism, he'll have to work with pro—eu parties if he's to form government . he's to form government. >> i'm in politics for 25 years now and this is the happiest day of my life so far in politics. we became the number one party by far. i mean , it's what a lot by far. i mean, it's what a lot of people, if you would have asked them a year ago, would called you mad and it happened today. so i'm very proud . i'm today. so i'm very proud. i'm very happy . and it brings along very happy. and it brings along a lot of feeling of responsibility . responsibility. >> this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker. just say play gb news. now it's back to tom and . back to tom and. emily well, could we. >> sorry, tom, could we be seeing start of a fall in net migration? the office for national statistics says it's too early to tell as the figure in the year, up to june 2023,

stood at 672,000. well i think we can tell that it's not coming down very quickly, if at all. >> no, it marks a fall from the official 2022 figure, which each. but it only marks a fall because it's been revised up now. it's been revised to show that net migration hit a record level of 745,000 last year before we thought it was at 607,000. but now . 745,000. are 607,000. but now. 745,000. are you keeping up ? well, our gb you keeping up? well, our gb news home and security editor mark white will try and make sense of all of these different numbers for us. now, mark. >> yeah, these office for national statistics days are my least favourite day of the year because it's quite impenetrable at times, but hey, we'll have a go . looking at the figures with go. looking at the figures with a bit of a visual aid for our television viewers. it shows . television viewers. it shows. that 672,000 people came to the uk in the year to june. now that

was about 1.2 million people who came and about 500,000 who left , came and about 500,000 who left, giving that net migration figure of 672,000. but arguably , see, of 672,000. but arguably, see, this next figure is the most interesting of all because as i stood on a clifftop in dover , stood on a clifftop in dover, giving last year's figures of 606,000, what giving last year's figures of 606,000, what i didn't giving last year's figures of 606,000, what i didn't realise was it was actually 745,000, an absolute whopper of a net migration figure. that is 139,000 difference on that previous year, 606,000 total. thatis previous year, 606,000 total. that is we're told, because of a difference. now in the methodology used by the office for national statistics . so for national statistics. so let's take a look at work visas now, 322,000 work work visas were issued in the year to june, which was up 87,000 on the

previous year. now, the vast majority of these work visas were told were the emergency work visas for the nhs for people to work in the nhs and in social care for moving on to student visas . now on 378,000 student visas. now on 378,000 student visas. now on 378,000 student visas. now on 378,000 student visas were issued in the year to june, up five. 8000 on the year before . but drilling the year before. but drilling into that in terms of the number, those that have been given to families . is 96,000. given to families. is 96,000. and of these us visas were actually issued to dependants family members up 38,000. now that's the office for national statistics sticks figures. but there's an interest earning figure that's come out from from the home office and that shows

actually that 154,000 was issued, 154,000 of these dependent student visas were issued. but these are people that haven't yet arrived , ed, that haven't yet arrived, ed, and that explains the dispatch oddhy and that explains the dispatch oddity from the ons figures of 96,000. and actually what the home office have issued. so actually much higher , a 154,000 actually much higher, a 154,000 visas that have been issued to dependents and the vast majority of these dependents who are coming are from two countries, nigeria and india is a staggering set of numbers there, mark, but perhaps what people will be most surprised by is that last year we thought there were seven 607,000 people coming into the country. >> it's actually 745,000. so we have magic up 139,000 people in this country who up until now, we did not officially recognise

as being here. i mean, do we actually know how many people are in the country ? are in the country? >> well, it's all based on an estimate because i think the issue is that the ons will work out who they expect to sort of leave after 12 months. so they'll give a visa. they're expecting people to leave, and then suddenly they realise that these people have not left after 12 months, but they've stayed on. so i think the change in the methodology now is going to be looking at the figures over a slightly longer term. so over two years now to try to come up with a more accurate representation of the net migration figures to the country . but, you know, 672,000, that's still a population or equivalent to the size of liverpool coming to the size of liverpool coming to the size of liverpool coming to the uk every single year. and these people have to be accommodated. these people also have to join the queue to get a doctor's appointment and other

nhs services. they're children. if they have dependents, have to go into the education system. all of that has a big significant impact on the wider wraparound services, which in many cases local authorities say they just simply don't have the resources to provide the extra wraparound services for the increasing population coming in year on year. >> well, that's a crucial point, isn't it? and it's something that analysts and experts point out year after year when these figures continue to rise. where is the infrastructure to back that up? where is the planning of where people where public services are going to be, not least the housing crisis is. there's been quite a lot of pushback from within the conservative party saying there is no public mandate for these kind of levels of immigration, no . 110. >> no. >> and we know that a lot of the immigration in terms of the work visas are being driven by the

need to get more people in and working in the nhs and social care. but labour's shadow home secretary, yvette cooper, has pointed out that actually what it highlights is a manifest failure of the government to try to recruit , root and train to recruit, root and train people from the uk population to take on those roles and instead as resource going to importing people to come in and fill those positions . positions. >> and now there's been a long running campaign from some people in westminster suggesting that we shouldn't count student numbers in these migration numbers in these migration numbers because these are overwhelmingly likely to be people who will leave after 3 or 4 years and in that case, if we were to not include students in this number, it would have been halved. it wouldn't be 672,000. it would have been 294,000. odd is there a case to simply not describe students as if they're migrants?

>> i don't think there is, to be honest, because the students coming across are impacting in terms of those wraparound services is that i was talking about. so there their impact, their drain . if you want to put their drain. if you want to put it in a sort of more negative light on the resources of the uk are still there, even though it might be over a few years rather than, you know , a longer term in than, you know, a longer term in impact on the country. so you know, from year to year they are here. they are still enjoying the benefits of the services that the uk provides. so including them in the figures is probably the right thing to do. and also there's another issue at play here, and that's the concerns that quite a lot about. and i say a lot i can't quantify it, but there is concern from those who watch my gration flows in and out of the country that there is a significant number of

overseas students who are gaming the system to try to effectively get their dependents in. and if we look at the fact that two countries in particular are responsible for the vast majority of the dependents who are coming in india and nigeria, i think that hammers home to these people that watch these flows in and out and are concerned about the student visa system being scammed in this way. i think it gives them more credibility in the concerns that they have . they have. >> i'd like to know who's leaving . i don't know if we have leaving. i don't know if we have the data on that. who is leaving the data on that. who is leaving the country because we always talk about net migration figures and do have detail on what and do we have detail on what types of people are leaving the country ? country? >> we probably do, emily, but i haven't the heart to go looking for all that kind of detail for you . but i can tell you that the you. but i can tell you that the figure, the number that left is about half a million or so. some of those will be student visas that have expired . people have

that have expired. people have completed their courses as and they've gone. but we know as well now, historically, there has always been an issue of a certain proportion of those who have come on student visas, who have come on student visas, who have got to the end of their student visa period . their student visa period. their course is supposedly finished and they've stayed on and they've entered effectively the black economy. and if these people are also taking dependents over, those dependents over, those dependents then potentially are entering the black economy as well. so as i say, i'm sorry, emily, i will speak to my producer, tom, and ask him if he can have a look. >> thank you very much. i would like to know the next hour. >> very interesting. very interesting. >> that's reason to stick >> that's a reason to stick around for to around and wait for you to come back us more back next hour and bring us more detail . mark white, thank you detail. mark white, thank you very joining us here very much forjoining us here on good now, of good afternoon. britain now, of course, the home secretary, james cleverly, says that the country is trying to reduce these legal migration, these levels of legal migration, but also focusing relentlessly on the priority of stopping

illegal migration and of stopping the boats. >> yes , of course, because we're >> yes, of course, because we're talking about legal migration with mark white, but now we're going about illegal going to talk about illegal crossings we can cross live to dover and speak our dover and speak with our south—east. reporter ray addison rae , there's been some tragic rae, there's been some tragic news from the . channel news from the. channel >> yeah, absolutely. well, we know that last night or yesterday afternoon, rather, two people, two migrants, a man and a woman in their 30s who were on a woman in their 30s who were on a small boat consisting of around 60 people, we understand had got into difficulty off the coast of dunkirk. >> and they were trying to make their way here to the united kingdom across the channel. and sadly , two people drowned. sadly, two people drowned. a third person was taken to hospital all as well. and we're unsure at this stage of the condition of that person. but the others were rescued by a mix of french and british maritime aid agencies and treated for

hypothermia and other conditions as well. there was a second incident, two in which people were brought here, here to just down the road in kent as well . down the road in kent as well. and they were treated by the received by the rnli . and then received by the rnli. and then one was seen taken off on a stretcher to. >> well, ray, thank you very much for that update. we'll be back with you later on in the programme. let's now to programme. let's cross now to westminster. because of course tory action tory mps are demanding action from ministers to bring this number down. let's speak to our political editor, christopher hope , who is joined by a senior hope, who is joined by a senior conservative mp >> that's right, tom. the tory mps behind the scenes in whatsapp groups are going bananas about these high net migration figures after yesterday's tax cutting budget . yesterday's tax cutting budget. it's back to normal for this tory government, which seems to run ideas . with me now is run out of ideas. with me now is danny kruger. he's a member of the conservative the new conservative group of tory mps to gb news tory mps to speak to gb news viewers is danny kruger. you're a tory government, you're

elected in 2019 on a pledge to bnng elected in 2019 on a pledge to bring down migration, but it's trebled since then. that's net migration on your watch. why >> i'm afraid that's absolutely right. we took back control of our borders, we've thrown our borders, but we've thrown them think the people them open and i think the people who put us into power in 2019 are absolutely entitled to be furious about this. >> there are good reasons furious about this. >>termsr are good reasons furious about this. >>terms of �*e good reasons furious about this. >>terms of the good reasons furious about this. >>terms of the refugees reasons furious about this. >>terms of the refugees that)ns in terms of the refugees that we've over the last few we've taken in over the last few years, account years, but that doesn't account for it's because for these numbers. it's because we're taking large numbers of people to fill people on very low wages to fill vacancies in the workforce that should by british should be filled by british workers. we're taking too many people with dependants, so 50,000 people have come over on work and brought work visas and brought a dependent we're dependent with them. we're taking who coming taking students who are coming here for university and then staying on for years afterwards and their dependents. and bringing their dependents. so there are so many things that we're in my view, we're doing wrong, in my view, and of is that and the result of it is that we're depressing wages for british decreasing british workers and decreasing our productivity in our our own productivity in our economy. well as the economy. as well as all the effects on social services, on housing course our housing and of course our integration and cohesion as well i >> -- >> the politics is full of these small boats crossing. we've got

a ours , ray in a colleague of ours, ray in doven a colleague of ours, ray in dover, small dover, talking about small boats, and how they boats, crossings and how they can't controlled . but the net can't be controlled. but the net migration is a migration figure is a controllable number. why can't you and your government control it? well i think you're right to raise the illegal migration because is, of course, because that is, of course, a scandal well. because that is, of course, a sca there well. because that is, of course, a sca there vprogress because that is, of course, a sca there \progress being made >> there is progress being made on to give the on that. you've got to give the government credit reducing government credit for reducing those it's those numbers by a third. it's still unacceptable still completely unacceptable and i don't think we're doing enough but we're enough on that either. but we're getting making some progress. but migration, that is but on legal migration, that is really is the really what i think is at the core of many of social core of so many of our social discontents. on discontents. the pressure on housing and the pressure on pubuc housing and the pressure on public services all the challenges we're having in our culture real sense that culture as well. real sense that our community cohesion is fraying. yes, do fraying. so yes, we can do something the something about this. and the new conservatives, is the new conservatives, which is the group co—chair in group that i co—chair in parliament, backbench group that i co—chair in parliameelected backbench group that i co—chair in parliameelected since backbench group that i co—chair in parliameelected since the ckbench group that i co—chair in parliameelected since the brexit h mps all elected since the brexit referendum, we've put out a plan that reduce migration back that would reduce migration back to below the level that we were elected as you elected on in 2019. and as you say , it was our manifesto pledge say, it was our manifesto pledge that would bring numbers that we would bring numbers down. them treble in down. we've seen them treble in the last four years. it's totally unacceptable if we're to look the voters in the eye at

the next year. we've look the voters in the eye at the deliverext year. we've look the voters in the eye at the deliver on year. we've look the voters in the eye at the deliver on that. we've look the voters in the eye at the deliver on that promise got to deliver on that promise coming to you shortly. >> but isn't time >> but isn't it time for a straightforward 10 straightforward apology from 10 downing sorry downing street? just say sorry for getting policy wrong . for getting this policy wrong. >> well, i'm afraid to say there's been churn there's been such a churn in ministers and indeed prime ministers since the pledge was made. but we were all elected on the so, i mean, the same promise. so, i mean, on my sorry that we my part, i am so sorry that we have not been able deliver have not been able to deliver yet on our promise. and as i say, are some, you know, say, there are some, you know, legitimate excuses we've legitimate excuses around. we've taken ukrainians, a lot taken a lot of ukrainians, a lot of from hong kong that of people from hong kong that i think is a good to do. but think is a good thing to do. but yes, fundamentally, we to yes, fundamentally, we need to reform system so that we're immigration system so that we're not on foreign workers immigration system so that we're no plug on foreign workers immigration system so that we're no plug on f0|in]n workers to plug the gaps in our workforce. to plug the gaps in our worso rce. to plug the gaps in our worso what would you what would >> so what would you what would you specifically that the you do specifically that the tory government isn't doing at the and the main >> so the first and the main thing to the salary thing is to raise the salary threshold. people threshold. we need to be people should getting a work should only be getting a work visa contributing to visa if they are contributing to the economy. >> so they what >> so they should. to what level, danny? >> so they should. to what levr £38,000 ? >> so they should. to what lev1£38,000 a year salary at >> £38,000 a year of a salary at the moment. can come in on the moment. you can come in on much less than that. and so you're you know, you're essentially, you know, you're essentially, you know, you're contributing to the you're not contributing to the economy that you economy in the way that you should you're getting a work should if you're getting a work visa. should

visa. i think we should stop people dependents people bringing their dependents over if they're coming over, particularly to study. i mean, i don't students need to don't know why students need to bnng don't know why students need to bring their mothers or their girlfriends with girlfriends or whatever with them. come to them. they should just come to study should study and then they should go home unless got home unless unless they've got a proper good, well—paid job in this country. i think we need to reduce the number work visas reduce the number of work visas we . we really to we give out. we really need to be investing own young be investing in our own young people, not them to people, not sending them to pointless people, not sending them to pointl

doing in the new conservatives? will you be meeting with the pm? mr or mr james cleverly, mr sunak or mr james cleverly, the home secretary, and taking your points to them? >> have conversations >> well, we have conversations with regularly , and it with ministers regularly, and it is to say that the is true to say that the government recognise is that things have to change. the problem said problem is we've said that repeatedly over recent years. i was we haven't was concerned that we haven't yet heard unless i've missed it in the few minutes, that in the last few minutes, that any from government any response from the government to to hear to these figures, i want to hear that they really recognise the extent the dismay that your extent of the dismay that your viewers are voters must be feeling about this really , this feeling about this really, this is absolutely make or break is an absolutely make or break moment. small moment. we worry about small boats we about boats rightly. we worry about all sorts of things that are going country that all sorts of things that are goirgovernment countrythat all sorts of things that are goirgovernment couto y that all sorts of things that are goirgovernment couto y tion the government needs to fix on to, to its credit, is to, and to its credit, is focusing but matters so focusing on. but this matters so much. think there's much. i don't think there's anything more to much. i don't think there's any country more to much. i don't think there's any country the more to much. i don't think there's any country the moment to much. i don't think there's any country the moment than the country at the moment than fixing danny kruger there from >> well, danny kruger there from the new conservatives there with a or break message for the a make or break message for the prime sort net prime minister to sort out net migration or reap the consequences at the next election. back to you in the studio. thank you very much indeed. >> christopher hope, our political there political editor there with danny mp. you could hear danny kruger, mp. you could hear the frustration his the frustration in his voice. i mean, there's no two ways about

it. the government been it. the government have been a catastrophic failure when it comes reducing migration comes to reducing net migration long are the days where david cameron, cameron, said cameron, now lord cameron, said tens thousands were where tens of thousands were where we're going to we're going tens of thousands were where webe going to we're going tens of thousands were where webe continuing we're going tens of thousands were where webe continuing wemigration, to be continuing with migration, of up this of course, but coming up this afternoon, chancellorjeremy afternoon, as chancellor jeremy hunts statement promises hunts autumn statement promises to the back on track i >> -- >> we'll -_ >> we'll be finding out what it means for people up down means for people up and down the country ahead to the country as we look ahead to the next election. this is good afternoon, britain on gb news is

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right? >> well, as you can imagine , >> well, as you can imagine, when lots of you have been getting in touch about those staggering migration figures and the revision of last year's as well, revision upwards, very important. >> i think we should remind people of those numbers last year we thought was 607,000. now we know it was 745,000. that's . we know it was 745,000. that's. 139,000 more people in the country than we thought. >> there were size of cambridge, apparently. just just on those net migration figures alone . net migration figures alone. mike's got in touch, he says while these latest figures are simply staggering and completely unsustainable, concerns me unsustainable, what concerns me more is we're creating a welfare timebomb. how many people are high skilled and high paid? so that's a question on because of course migrants do get old and need. they do need welfare, although what people who are in favour of more migration would say is that migrants tend to be

younger when they arrive. >> and we do have ageing >> and we do have an ageing population. as population. and so as long as they in that pay tax they are in jobs that pay tax and they're not net drain, and they're not a net drain, then that's a positive thing. although i think danny although i think what danny kruger a second ago kruger was saying a second ago was worrying too was he was worrying that too many weren't that were many weren't in jobs that were net contributors . net contributors. >> well, i think this is something people don't don't that everyone knows that that not everyone knows that most of us are actually net takers from the state. even if you're on a half decent salary. oh, certainly quite extraordinary because especially if you are a young family, perhaps with children, all of the different services that you take from the state. >> i mean, people think people taking things from the state is only benefits. it's not it's health education, health care. it's education, it's potholes, potholes, pothole repair, even potholes, all of that. >> anyway , coming up on today's >> anyway, coming up on today's show geert wilders , dutch show is geert wilders, dutch party freedom seizes 35 party for freedom seizes 35 seats in the country's election . seats in the country's election. we'll be asking if there's any path to actually being in path he has to actually being in government. this is. good afternoon , britain on . gb news.

afternoon, britain on. gb news. good afternoon. >> it's 1230. good afternoon. >> it's1230. here are good afternoon. >> it's 1230. here are the headunes. >> it's 1230. here are the headlines . emergency services headlines. emergency services are battling a huge fire at a building in redding town centre. social media footage shows thick smoke billowing from a building on napier road. royal berkshire fire and rescue service are advising people to avoid the area around the station. hill developed apartment. those are the only details that we have at the only details that we have at the moment. we will, of course bnng the moment. we will, of course bring you more on this as we get it . net migration to the uk was it. net migration to the uk was up in 2022, although new figures show a downward trend to june this year. according to the office for national statistics, a record was hit in december with 745,000 arrivals. that's estimated to drop to just over 670,000 in the year to june . 670,000 in the year to june. most estimates suggest immigration is slowing, while the number of people leaving the uk is going up.

the number of people leaving the uk is going up . the timing of uk is going up. the timing of the next election had no impact on the decision to cut taxes, according to the chancellor , according to the chancellor, jeremy hunt used the autumn statement yesterday to announce cuts to national insurance , cuts to national insurance, saving someone earning £35,000, more than £450 a year, he said. the economy has defied the odds and that a recession had been avoided . and despite those tax avoided. and despite those tax cuts, energy bills are expected to rise after the energy regulator announced a 5% increase to the price cap from january. the average household will pay around £94 more over the course of a year. ofgem says the course of a year. ofgem says the increase is driven mostly by market instability and global events , including the war in . events, including the war in. ukraine the foreign secretary is visiting israel amid uncertain certainty about when a pause in the war with hamas will begin . the war with hamas will begin. the agreement for a four day ceasefire in gaza appears to have been delayed. a senior

israeli official said it would not take effect before friday, a day later than originally expected . under the planned expected. under the planned agreement, hamas will release 50 israeli hostages in exchange for 150 palestinian prisoners . those 150 palestinian prisoners. those are the headlines , as you can, are the headlines, as you can, of course, get. more on all of those stories. just visit our website at gbnews.com. now back to tom and . emily now , jeremy to tom and. emily now, jeremy hunt has appeared to suggest that further pre—election tax cuts could be on the horizon after saying going it's going to take time to reduce the overall tax burden . tax burden. >> but the chancellor has denied opting for pre—election crowd pleasing taxes. well, that was an odd thing to say. >> we haven't gone for crowd pleasing taxes. well why not, you know, tie them bow and you know, tie them in a bow and say that they're crowd pleasing? i know. anyway, this i don't know. anyway, this follows the chancellor's announcement follows the chancellor's announctinsurance rate would national insurance rate would fall to from january, saving

fall to 10% from january, saving those average salary of those on an average salary of £35,000, more than £450 a year. >> however, the government has also been accused of misleading messaging on tax because the overall tax burden remains at the highest level since the second world war. it's only come down from where we thought it would be, not from where it actually was. and that freeze on tax thresholds has pulled more people into higher tax brackets. >> yes . so let's speak to people into higher tax brackets. >> yes. so let's speak to pip now, who is in the red wall seat of dudley pip. you've been speaking to people in dudley. what have they had to say? what is their reaction now? they've had a look at the detail. >> good afternoon, both of you. i am in the heart of the black country, the birthplace of one of the birthplaces of the industrial revolution. and dudley is famous for its castle . dudley is famous for its castle. it's got a zoo, it's got a priory, it's got a museum. and you would expect it to be thriving. now, footfall in recent years has dropped quite a lot. but i've got to say, when you look around, if we can just

take a cameraman will take a look, cameraman ben will show busy. the show you. it is really busy. the market here operates six days a week . let's let's talk let's week. let's let's talk let's talk to market trader here. he's known by the locals as skipper. he's called graham graham. come on. come on. have a word with me on. come on. have a word with me on gb news. hello. how are you doing? let's stand up. if you come over here near your potatoes , tell me what you think potatoes, tell me what you think about the fact that dudley north, where we are . red wall north, where we are. red wall seat, big swing to the tories in 2019. how do you think it's going to go next year ? going to go next year? >> well, i've got to bring all the rates down here now to get the rates down here now to get the folks back here, to get the shops back, because like the shops back, because like the shops are empty. i mean, all we got is charity shops . we've lost got is charity shops. we've lost woolworths , betis , the prime, woolworths, betis, the prime, our quality of the shop up the top and the and dudley council wouldn't let him have it. that wouldn't let him have it. that would have brought a lot of customers and dudley.

customers to dudley and dudley. council let have council wouldn't let them have it do you think labour could >> so do you think labour could get back in here at the next election ? election? >> well, it depends what they promise. mean , it's promise. i mean, it's all promises. government is just promises. any government is just promises. any government is just promises. all they , promises. that's all they, that's all we get is promises. nothing ever happens . nothing ever happens. >> you do sound a little bit pessimistic . well, i have been pessimistic. well, i have been talking other people as well. talking to other people as well. i into a hairdressers, i went into a hairdressers, a little is what little earlier. this is what they to say . they had to say. >> conservatives and labour. i'm not particularly impressed with either of them at the moment. i think possibly the time may be that we could do with a completely new party that's coming in. but i think that there are people are losing confidence in both the labour because they really don't know where they're going and they're losing confidence in the conservative party and at the moment there's no other party to go to. it's a case of which you consider as likely to be the better out of the two poor choices . choices. >> dudley north is interesting.

red wall seat . but how do you red wall seat. but how do you think it's going to go at the next election? when will it revert to labour again? >> i think possibly. i think it possibly could . possibly could. >> me i'm a bit on the fence and again, we'll just have to see what what's on offer to where the decision is made. but i think a lot of people in dudley are labour strong , so not many are labour strong, so not many people here really full of christmas cheer. >> i mean, i think the problem with dudley , as in quite a lot with dudley, as in quite a lot of town centres, is that people say there's lots of roadworks, so it's difficult to get into the town centre. then you've got a parking. but what a problem of parking. but what is good is that the bus station is good is that the bus station is being refurbished at and there's also a metro interchange that's going to be built which will have much better connections to birmingham. i am in the next hour or so going to go local cafe, paula's go to the local cafe, paula's cafe, where she's going to make me a cup of tea and tell me what she thinks about everything. so

do little later do join me a little bit later from here in the black from right here in the black country >> oh, we look forward to >> oh, pip, we look forward to it. amazing to it. and what an amazing scene to see people cheering see all those people cheering ing camera as we ing the gb news camera as we spun around. we'll be back with you hour. spun around. we'll be back with you hour . oh, goodness me, you next hour. oh, goodness me, emily, do you know what? >> i really that. >> i really enjoyed that. >> i really enjoyed that. >> i really enjoyed >> i really i really enjoyed that. that that that that. but also that that that man who was running the man who was who was running the stall, who said dudley stall, who said that dudley council rented primark council private rented primark from opening a shop . to me, this from opening a shop. to me, this is the problem with our sclerotic economy. you get local politics stopping people , politics stopping people, building things, stopping people opening shops, halting our economy. sadiq khan stopping that stadium being built in london. it's all of that. it's all it's all people , politicians all it's all people, politicians stopping . stopping our economy. >> you know, what if tom harwood here mastermind? think here was on mastermind? i think planning regulation would be your master topic. it is your hobby horse. if you were if you were listening to us two days ago, it was all about the sphere. las vegas sphere not coming to london because of steve anyway, good stuff. steve khan. anyway, good stuff. but you're true. you know, primark should be allowed in.

dudley let's get some dudley anyway, let's get some more on those net migration figures. are figures. some tory mps are demanding action from ministers to the number down. let's to bring the number down. let's cross live to westminster, speak with our political editor , with our political editor, christopher hope, i believe christopher hope, who i believe is for us. is with another guest for us. >> that's right. there is a civil war breaking out on the whatsapp groups in the tory party today about these extraordinarily high net migration figures, not illegal migration figures, not illegal migration and net migration figures. migrants are allowed to arrive here on the government's watch and allowed and waved through once they've once they've passed the various tests and passed and allowed to live. here with me now is sirjohn hayes, who's chairman of the common sense group of tory mps. sir john, sir john common sense group of tory mps. sir john, sirjohn hayes. how sirjohn, sirjohn hayes. how many mps do you represent in your group? >> we have about 70 members of the common sense group, and we meet last meet regularly. we met last night indeed , to talk about night indeed, to talk about these kind of issues . these kind of issues. >> figures enormous. >> these figures are enormous. why can't your government control ? control migration? >> well, frankly , the government >> well, frankly, the government needs to put in place the

measures which allow us to recruit people that we need to britain for all kinds of reasons, but not people that we don't. >> and the idea here that we should have had net migration of 1.3 million over two years is unsustainable and unacceptable. and frankly, the public won't wear it any longer. >> you've been in power, though , >> you've been in power, though, for 13 years. you you were elected in 2019 on a policy of cutting , elected in 2019 on a policy of cutting, bringing net migration numbers down. it's trebled since then. numbers down. it's trebled since then . isn't it time for an then. isn't it time for an apology from 10 downing street? >> i think the government needs to respond to these figures with a series of very firm and immediate changes. now, those changes might include looking at the whole issue of visas. that's family visas. it's visas to work. it will mean looking at the minimum wage threshold. the kind of money we pay in coming workers. and it will mean looking at students again, too. so there's a whole range of things government needs as things government needs to do as a urgent response to

a direct and urgent response to these unprecedented numbers . these unprecedented numbers. >> are you seeking a meeting with james cleverly, the home secretary, rishi sunak, the prime minister? >> we met last night and we've spoken to the immigration minister, robert jenrick , and minister, robert jenrick, and we're determined to make our voice heard and we will be contacting the prime minister about this as a group. >> i know that many members of parliament are profoundly concerned about these numbers because their constituents are they want their best, their best for their constituents. and you cannot reconcile british interests rates with this level of migration . of migration. >> what happens here is these these migration migrants arrive here and they put pressure on local services, gp services, schools , booths hospitals and is schools, booths hospitals and is that not understood, do you think, by whitehall, that not understood, do you think, by whitehall , the think, by whitehall, the pressure on services? well some people i mean it's very crass , people i mean it's very crass, but some people, the obr , that's but some people, the obr, that's the office for budget responsibility, who knows who they are? >> by way, some people there >> by the way, some people there and the treasury think that

and in the treasury think that migration delivers growth. any growth is good enough . what growth is good enough. what matters, of course, is productive growth per capita growth , the effect that all of growth, the effect that all of the people that come have on the on public service in the way you describe. so when people arrive in britain, they bring an economic and an economic economic benefit and an economic cost. people bring cost. some people bring a greater benefit because they're skilled and they they're doing things that matter for our economy . other people bring more economy. other people bring more economic cost . but what's economic cost. but what's absolutely true is that this level, they all need health. they all need housing. they all use roads. so the pressures on our infrastructure and our health system and on housing are unsustainable. catastrophic >> ic well, sir john hayes, >> ic well, sirjohn hayes, thank you for joining >> ic well, sirjohn hayes, thank you forjoining us >> ic well, sirjohn hayes, thank you for joining us today on gb news and sirjohn hayes there saying he's seeking an urgent meeting with the common sense the pm rishi sense group with the pm rishi sunak, to discuss these figures today. the today. back to you in the studio. well thanks very much, chris. >> it seems like there is consternation on the backbench

of the conservative party, perhaps some drama come perhaps some drama to come ahead, also know there is ahead, but also know there is more drama around the world. >> yes, there is. geert wilders, the anti islam candidate, has stormed to victory in the dutch elections. he's also an anti eu. could a netherlands eu referendum happen next? this is good afternoon britain on

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news. >> good afternoon , britain now >> good afternoon, britain now joining us in the studio is the senior lecturer at us politics at the queen mary , university of at the queen mary, university of london. dr. richard johnson, and the political commentator emma webb. and we need to dive into the story that is driving the day that is going to be perhaps driving the rest of the week's news as well . a migration not news as well. a migration not only up this year significantly , only up this year significantly, but also revised up last year. emma webb, do we actually know how many people are in the country ? country? >> and these are also the official statistics , so we don't official statistics, so we don't know how many people exactly have come across illegally on the channel through small boats or through other means as well. and actually a huge proportion of this is coming from the government's decision on to give visas , to give more visas to visas, to give more visas to people. so this is something thatis people. so this is something that is absolutely and danny kruger made this point that, yes, the government have made some dent in the small boats

crossing the channel completely insufficient . but the reality is insufficient. but the reality is that this is something that is entirely their political entirely within their political power to not give as many visas to people and so i think absolute lutely the new conservatives are right looking at this, that the british people will be outraged by it. it is an existential crisis for the conservative party >> it is and potentially for the country to. richard, is it actually the treasury who is in charge of our immigration policy ? because the home office we've had consecutive home secretaries who've talked a tough game on immigration and yet somehow we still keep on giving out more visas every year. it seems almost so is it the treasury just that desire to have a have gdp going up ? gdp going up? >> well, they're part of the story. i mean , a lot of people story. i mean, a lot of people who voted leave might be quite angry about these figures , but angry about these figures, but actually this what brexit actually this was what brexit was all about. most of the people who have come here have come as a result of government decisions, we right now

decisions, and now we right now can have a debate and a discussion about whether those were the right government decisions. so as you say, the government has made it easier for and working in for people and working in certain sectors to come here because they see that as filling an employment gap . there are an employment gap. there are other could fill other ways you could fill an employment gap. could scale employment gap. you could scale up are already up people who are already here or people into those or redirect people into those those jobs. that's the kind of debate that we are having and we ought to have now. and it was one of the debates that we couldn't really have when we were european union, couldn't really have when we were it european union, couldn't really have when we were it was'opean union, couldn't really have when we were it was ittean union, couldn't really have when we were it was it was union, couldn't really have when we were it was it was anion, couldn't really have when we were it was it was an open because it was it was an open doon >> but, i mean, let's be real on that one. i mean, most people voting brexit wanted immigration levels down. it's levels to come down. so it's a bit disingenuous to be for the government to then be, oh, well, bit disingenuous to be for the govcannent to then be, oh, well, bit disingenuous to be for the govcannent decidei be, oh, well, bit disingenuous to be for the govcannent decide us. , oh, well, bit disingenuous to be for the govcannent decide us. but, well, we can now decide us. but i think that's true. >> but you look the >> but when you look into the more data , when you more granular data, when you look the overarching number, look at the overarching number, people say that's high. but people say that's too high. but then would like people say that's too high. but then nurses would like people say that's too high. but then nurses to would like people say that's too high. but then nurses to come, uld like people say that's too high. but then nurses to come, would like people say that's too high. but then nurses to come, would youe fewer nurses to come, would you like fewer doctors to come? would home would you like fewer care home assistants come ? when ask would you like fewer care home assist specific:ome ? when ask would you like fewer care home assist specific questionsien ask would you like fewer care home assist specific questions , n ask those specific questions, sometimes you get different answers. elianne well, i think

that the point of brexit that yes, the point of brexit was that we would able to be was that we would be able to be in our own in control of our own immigration policy. >> but the reality is that the british for british public voted for the conservative a conservative party running on a manifesto reduce immigration manifesto to reduce immigration in single consistent in every single poll consistent shows that the british people want reduce migration. yes, want to reduce migration. yes, there be certain sectors there might be certain sectors where are because people where people are because people are reasonable people. there are very few people who want zero migration, but people want reasonable numbers that allow for integration to take place rather than this completely unsustainable situation that we currently have now . so yes, it's currently have now. so yes, it's true. brexit was about taking back control over our borders, over immigration, over our political system and our sovereignty in general, but that sovereignty in general, but that sovereignty should be used to execute the will of the british people. and the problem is that we've had a situation where the conservative party has the political power to, but for some reason to the reason doesn't seem to have the ability the will to actually ability or the will to actually execute the will of the british people, not only on migration but well. but on other issues as well. >> some ways what they're but on other issues as well.

>> is some ways what they're but on other issues as well. >> is they're ways what they're but on other issues as well. >> is they're takingvhat they're but on other issues as well. >> is they're taking the they're doing is they're taking the easy route out. i mean, it's harder and longer to train and it takes longer to train nurses, to train people to fill these sectors and government is operate within tight timeframes, particularly rishi sunak, you know , coming in halfway through know, coming in halfway through richard , i thought rishi sunak richard, i thought rishi sunak was all about long term decisions. >> that's what he keeps telling us. >> us. >> that's why you need the house of lords, because the house of lords think beyond an lords can think beyond an election, but governments have to to within to have to think within an electoral cycle. >> these numbers, >> half of these numbers, 294,000 out of the 300 out of the sorry , 378,000 out of the the sorry, 378,000 out of the 672,000. so more than half are student visas. richard, you work in the university sector. is this does that include dependents? that includes dependents, yes. >> so that's the issue that people have a gripe with massively because people can accept students, although, of course, as mark white pointed out, they need use out, they still need to use pubuc out, they still need to use public still have public services, they still have housing needs. still will housing needs. they still will require resources , although they

require resources, although they do pay money to be here. >> richard, your sector, is it to blame? >> well , it's not fully to to blame? >> well, it's not fully to blame and i'm not going to take full responsibility. but part of the part of the funding model of university fees, of course, is very dependent on very heavily dependent on on international . if our international fees. if our international fees. if our international student numbers go down, universities have to make choices. and ultimately that means that the sector would have to shrink . and again, this is to shrink. and again, this is a political question. do we want to take on international students that help support a larger university sector, or do we accept that if we don't do that, then university departments will to close? departments will have to close? >> university >> i think university departments, i think there are some good yeah, there are some university departments. >> fabulous department, >> not your fabulous department, but other lesser but perhaps some other lesser lesser departments or universities . universities. >> shall we move on to what's going on in the netherlands? because a way lots because this links in a way lots of people the netherlands to of people in the netherlands to worried about immigration. is that why geert wilders has stormed to victory? >> i think it's a combination of things, yes. immigration is obviously a big issue, which is

obviously a big issue, which is obviously been one of the driving factors here. another is the situation with the dutch farmers. i think it's really quite incredible when you look at the numbers that pvv that mark rutte's party, the leading party in the netherlands, has been absolutely smashed in this election. now that doesn't mean that geert wilders will become the prime minister what it does mean is that he's going to have to look into going into coalition with another party. and are number and there are a number of parties be parties that could be a potential candidate that potential candidate for that very major very unlikely that the major parties would consider going into coalition with him. but there is the party of pieter omtzigt , which is the new social omtzigt, which is the new social contract party, which is a new party only recently launched, could potentially go into coalition with him and pw , coalition with him and pw, actually the new leader of pvv after mark rutter resigned, who was turkish born, she's a migrant herself , has not ruled migrant herself, has not ruled out going into coalition with him. so this really is quite ground that's interesting. him. so this really is quite gro but that's interesting. him. so this really is quite gro but that' richard, ting. him. so this really is quite gro but that' richard, we. him. so this really is quite gro but that' richard, we see a >> but but, richard, we see a lot in the manifesto of geert

wilders , you an wilders, you know, an eu referendum, a ban to sort of asylum seeking all the rest of it in a coalition none of that's going to get through, is it? >> yeah, exactly. in >> yeah, exactly. and in a proportional representation system, a set system, a manifesto is not a set of promises that be of promises that will be delivered. an opening bid delivered. it's an opening bid for a coalition agreement . and i for a coalition agreement. and i think that the new leader of the pvv, the liberals , might pvv, the liberals, might actually saying that she's actually be saying that she's open to it to string out coalition negotiations that never go anywhere, to give time and space for them to have an election in a few months time. that's very interesting . that's very interesting. >> she's what she's not open to is going into coalition with him as prime minister. is going into coalition with him as ithat'sviinister. is going into coalition with him as ithat's reallyer. is going into coalition with him as ithat's really interesting . >> that's really interesting. i'm afraid we have run well. we've we've of we've run out. we've run out of time discussion. it time on that discussion. but it is this is so fascinating because this is so fascinating because this is a reverberating wave that is not just affecting the united states. the united kingdom, argentina, also the argentina, but also the netherlands to . well, coming up, netherlands to. well, coming up, we've got much more on those migration figures . we'll be migration figures. we'll be looking again in dudley about how this is affecting the real world. this is good afternoon

britain here on gb news. britain i >> -- >> hello again. welcome to your latest gb news weather update from the met office will remain windy for many areas through the rest of today, but there will be a spell of rain marking the change to some colder weather through the next 24 hours or so. for many of us, that of for many of us, that spell of rain brought this rain will be brought by this cold slowly sinking cold front. it's slowly sinking southwards it, that's southwards and behind it, that's when got the much colder when we've got the much colder air some air being introduced. so some rain for a across central rain for a time across central areas afternoon and then areas this afternoon and then into the south through this evening. north, fairly evening. further north, fairly dry but cloudy dry for many, but rather cloudy there will be some showers there will be some snow showers across the hills of scotland and some icy and very windy conditions the shetland conditions across the shetland isles as well through the evening, we'll temperatures evening, we'll see temperatures hours lower than last night. so a chillier start tomorrow morning, but frost will be fairly limited because of that strengthening breeze . but it strengthening breeze. but it will be a very chilly day through friday for the bulk of the uk away from the far south—west. temperatures here south—west. so temperatures here will fall through the day .

will still fall through the day. there'll be a bit more sunshine on though, through on offer, though, through friday. of sunshine friday. plenty of sunshine up through scotland, northern england central areas england, central areas of england, central areas of england a little england as well. a little cloudier in the far southwest where we're holding on to that slightly into slightly milder air through into the afternoon on friday and then through saturday with clear spells. it'll be a very frosty start, potentially as low as minus eight to start on saturday morning . but again, plenty of morning. but again, plenty of crisp or autumnal sunshine across the uk through saturday. there'll be another frosty start on sunday, but rain will arrive from the west, giving us a more unsettled start to the new

>> good afternoon , britain. it >> good afternoon, britain. it is 1:00 on thursday, the 23rd of november. >> migration backlash . the >> migration backlash. the government's own mps expressed their dissatisfaction as net migration remains at record high levels. >> our taxes being cut or is the burden shooting up? we'll be right across the country getting the reaction to jeremy hunt's autumn statement and is a possible nexit a netherlands exit in the works as geert wilders dutch freedom party steals a win in the country's parliamentary elections . parliamentary elections. >> as . >> as. and a big question for you at

home should you believe everything you read online? >> an that's what nella in the jungle seems to think about our very own nigel has a few choice words in the jungle for our nigel. >> well, you know, i saw a good quote from abraham lincoln. i think it was on this very subject. it said, never believe everything you the everything you find on the internet , right ? okay. what are internet, right? okay. what are you on about? i can amuse myself. it's a joke. it's about fake quotes. anyway anyway, this is an important topic , right? is an important topic, right? because there are huge swathes of the country who think that wanting lower immigration is the same as wanting to kick out any migrants . and i think nigel was migrants. and i think nigel was very patiently last night trying to explain to nella that he didn't want to her port it, although perhaps some people at home might disagree with that, considering the unpopularity on that in that jungle. >> do you know what i found interesting was when a political discussion came on the discussion came about on the show most campmates get show, most of the campmates get very awkward and shuffle off, so only a few people who can stand

the heat of a political discussion, particularly when it's or it's about brexit or immigration. but anyway, we don't shy away from any of those. >> no, we m those. >> no, we go and those. » no, we those. >> no, we go and do the >> no, we don't go and do the washing instead tackling washing up. instead of tackling the issues and don't you go the big issues and don't you go away do the washing up away and do the washing up because afternoon britain on gb >> good afternoon britain on gb news is . good afternoon. news is. good afternoon. >> i'm tamsin roberts in the gb newsroom. it's 1:02 . well, let's newsroom. it's 1:02. well, let's just start with some breaking news. the director of gaza's largest hospital has been arrested and the israeli defence forces say the boss of the al—shifa hospital was detained following evidence showing he'd that the building had been used as a command centre for the hamas terror group there. the only details we have at the moment, but we'll bring you more on that as soon as we get more details. meanwhile, the foreign secretary has been visiting israel amid uncertainty about when a pause in the war with

hamas will begin . the agreement hamas will begin. the agreement for a four day ceasefire in gaza appears to have been delayed. a senior israeli official said it would not take effect before friday. a day later than originally expected. under the planned agreement, hamas will release 50 israeli hostages in exchange for 150 palestinian prisoners . david cameron says he prisoners. david cameron says he hopes the pause will happen . hopes the pause will happen. >> today is also a day where we hope to see this humanity korean pause. i think that's important because it's an opportunity to get hostages out and to get aid in. and i hope and would urge everyone who is involved in that agreement to make sure that it happens. >> downing street says more measures could be introduced to kerb net migration . it comes as kerb net migration. it comes as new figures showed that legal immigration to the uk hit a new record of 745,000 in the year to december . most record of 745,000 in the year to december. most estimates suggest immigration is now slowing, while the number of people

leaving the uk is going up. home secretary james cleverly says the government is working to reduce the overall number emergency services are battling a huge fire at a building in reading town centre . the videos reading town centre. the videos posted to social media show thick smoke billowing from a high rise building near a construction site . royal construction site. royal berkshire fire and rescue service said it received reports of the blaze near the station hill area just after 11:30. this morning, people are being advised to avoid the area at the moment , the timing of the next moment, the timing of the next election had no impact on the decision to cut taxes , according decision to cut taxes, according to the chancellor, jeremy hunt used the autumn statement yesterday to announce cuts to national insurance . they'll save national insurance. they'll save someone earning £35,000, more than £450 a year. labour says that crumbling public services and the rising cost of living mean that people don't feel better off. but the chancellor says the government's plan is working. but the measures that i've taken today are, what, more

than 200 businesses wrote to me to ask for the big business organised actions like the cbi said it was the single most transformative thing that i could do. >> they're not particularly crowd pleasers. they're not the tax cuts that are on the tip of everyone's tongues , like an everyone's tongues, like an income tax cut or inheritance tax. but they are the things that will make the biggest difference to our long term competitiveness . competitiveness. >> well, despite those tax cuts, energy bills are expected to rise after the energy regulator announced a 5% increase to the price cap from january. the average household will pay around £94 more over the course of a year . around £94 more over the course of a year. ofgem around £94 more over the course of a year . ofgem says the of a year. ofgem says the increase is mostly driven by market instability and global events, including the war in ukraine. the government's top scientific adviser, who once referred to rishi sunak as dr. death, has told the covid inquiry that short circuit breakers would have been more effective than lockdowns . as

effective than lockdowns. as professor dame angela mclean said discussions in september 2020 assumed that cases would rise due to seasonal factors . rise due to seasonal factors. her view was that interventions aimed at keeping infections flat would avoid creating what she called a panicky situation . she called a panicky situation. she added that harsh lockdowns had to be enforced because they were left to the last possible moment at a eurosceptic politician whose anti—islam comments have led to death threats could be on track to become the next prime minister of the netherlands. geert wilders is leading talks to form a coalition government after his freedom party caused upset last night. he promised to be a prime minister for everyone , but the result will send shockwaves across europe. the right wing populist has stoked tensions with promises to freeze immigration, slash payments to the eu and veto all new members to the bloc, including ukraine. but despite his euro scepticism, he'll have to work with pro—eu parties if he's to form

government. i'm in politics for 25 years now and this is the happiest day of my life so far in politics. >> we became the number one party >> we became the number one party by >> we became the number one party by far. i mean, it's what a lot of people, if you would have asked them a year ago , have asked them a year ago, would mad and it would called you mad and it happened today. so i'm very proud and i'm very happy. happened today. so i'm very proud and i'm very happy . and it proud and i'm very happy. and it bnngs proud and i'm very happy. and it brings along a lot of feeling of responsibility . responsibility. >> this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker. just say play gb news now it's back to emily and . tom back to emily and. tom >> right? well, could we be seeing the start of a fall in net migration in the office for national statistics says it's too early to tell. as the figure in the year, up to june 2023, stood . at a whopping 672,000. stood. at a whopping 672,000.

>> it marks a fall from the official 2022 figure, but only because that figure has been revised upwards to show that net migration actually hit record migration actually hit a record level of 745,000 last year. more than 100,000 more than we thought it did. >> you couldn't make it up . but >> you couldn't make it up. but here to crunch the numbers for us is gb news home and security editor mark white. tell us more about these figures. what do they show thought you were going to say here to make it up. >> but yes, the figures with a bit of a visual aid for those who are watching on gb news television that 672,000 was television show that 672,000 was the net migration charleton figure for the year to june this this year to june 2023. and that really equates to about 1.2 million people who came here before and just over 500,000 who left giving that net migration figure of 672,000, which in itself is a whopper of a figure.

but that is as nothing compared to that 745,000 net migration in for the year to december 2022. now that's up from 606,000 when we were reporting on this earlier in the year. the net migration figures, which had reached a record level of 606,000, we had no idea that actually it was 139,000 higher than that , up . to 745,000. and than that, up. to 745,000. and what we're told is that the office for national statistics have changed the methodology in terms of how they calculate those that are coming and leaving and those that they expect to stay on over a slightly longer period now. so hopefully going forward, they hopefully going forward, they hope at least it's going to be a bit more accurate. taking a look at work visas now, 322,000 work

visas were issued. that's up 87,000 on the previous year. and interestingly 50,000 of these work visas were actually were granted to dependents and 378,000 student visas were also issued up 58,000. but if we drill down into those student visa figures, they show that 96,000 id of those who were of the visas that were issued were actually granted to dependents as well . now, those are office as well. now, those are office for national statistics figures , for national statistics figures, but the home office have also come up with their own data set and that shows actually the number of student visas issued to dependents is much higher than that 96,000 figure at 154,000. and the reason there's that difference there is that

these are visas issued , but these are visas issued, but those dependents haven't yet arrived in the uk . so 154,000 arrived in the uk. so 154,000 dependents expected in the uk in the coming year, having been granted these student visas for dependents. that is an aspect that the government does intend to clamp down their tightening that to ensure that students cannot take as many dependents overits cannot take as many dependents over its interesting when people think of students , they might think of students, they might not necessarily think of families with with spouses and perhaps children or even elderly. >> depends as probably is the case in some cases here. i wonder what moves has the government made in this area? because i seem to remember an announcement when the last set of migration figures came out, when the government said we need to really crack down on these dependents and now we're here later, it seems like we're heanng later, it seems like we're hearing much the same thing .

hearing much the same thing. >> yeah, well, they're still saying cracking saying that they're cracking down the of dependents down on the issue of dependents coming , especially for coming across, especially for student visas . but it's not student visas. but it's not going to kick in until january of next year. so it'll be a while before we actually see the benefits of that. but you're right, tom. i mean, the question has to be asked, why is a student bringing their mother or potentially a spouse across? you can understand if there are mature students that are coming across, maybe they have a family tree, but there are those who watch migration flows in and out of the country that have had concerns for some time. though the student visa system is a weak point in my migration to this country and it's being scammed , effectively gamed by scammed, effectively gamed by those that just want a quick route into the country and to get their families across as well . and perhaps that's been well. and perhaps that's been borne out by by drilling down into the figures , which shows into the figures, which shows

that actually there are two countries that are the vast majority of these 154,000 dependents are coming from . and dependents are coming from. and they're nigeria and india. >> so, i mean, it is quite extraordinary that that figure from last year was revised upwards by, what, 139,000? what is going on there? do you sometimes feel as though the government and the ons and the various quangos have absolutely no grasp of how many people are actually in this country? it seems absurd that they could have gotit seems absurd that they could have got it wrong by that far. >> yeah, i mean that's a fair point. certainly fluid and point. it's certainly fluid and it's a bit of a guessing game at times. i mean, i think what the issue has been with the office for national statistics is that they are calculating those who would be leaving after 12 months and then finding out that these people, for whatever reason, have not left. so i think as part of the change to the data set going forward , it's going to

set going forward, it's going to look and forecast that over a two year period in the hope that that might be somewhat more accurate. but yes, it is a concern when, you know, 745,000 is an absolutely whopping figure. the size of a significant city coming to the uk every year. and these people that come clearly have to be accommodated . they have to have accommodated. they have to have all of the wraparound services in terms of health and education that come with living in this country as well. and that is putting untold strain on the likes of local authorities and local health trusts who say that they are struggling really struggling to be able to cope with the increasing numbers in terms of the population . terms of the population. >> it is interesting as we get a bigger population, it doesn't feel like the infrastructure has been built alongside that. mark white, thank you very much for bringing us the details on those latest demonstrably hasn't no,

not enough roads, not enough schools, not enough nhs railway , schools, not enough nhs railway, a cancelled railway. >> let's get some more reaction to these figures from the executive director of the henry jackson society , dr. alan jackson society, dr. alan mendoza . alan, thank you very mendoza. alan, thank you very much for joining mendoza. alan, thank you very much forjoining us on the show. much for joining us on the show. your reaction to these staggering figures ? staggering figures? >> well, i think the word staggering is my reaction to it. >> i'm staggered by the by firstly, of course, the way that the figures have been revised up so dramatically , that is a very, so dramatically, that is a very, very big jump compared to what we were expecting. and secondly, that course, remain that they, of course, remain high to date. and, you know, we're being those figures high to date. and, you know, we'remight| those figures high to date. and, you know, we'remight they those figures high to date. and, you know, we'remight they might figures high to date. and, you know, we'remight they might go ures high to date. and, you know, we'remight they might go down, also might they might go down, of course, but they also might go notin of course, but they also might go not in a go up since they're not in a position accurately reflect position to accurately reflect them. clear in both them. what is clear in both cases is that the leg we've been focusing a lot on illegal migration in recent months and years. it turns out the level of legal migration also a clear legal migration is also a clear cause for concern . cause for concern. >> how concerned cause for concern. >> how concerned are cause for concern. >> how concerned are you about the impact of such large numbers on social cohesion and

integration ? and we often talk integration? and we often talk about immigration in economic terms, but what about societal cost? well i think there's a very valid point to raise if you're bringing in this number of people a year and let's not forget that when we're talking about net migration figures, we actually are talking about a much larger immigrant figure of over a million in over a million people in a country of , what, 65 over a million people in a country of, what, 65 million people? >> that's a significant chunk being added to our country every yeah being added to our country every year. you have to have an integration strategy of how you deal with that large number of people, how you bed them into the communities they're settling down in, whether they're here temporarily or more permanently. and how you sort of essentially ensure that we get on well together. now, i see no evidence of such a integration strategy appearing or having been put in place in recent years. and that makes me worry that in future we are going to face more strains as different people come here with different views. >> mendoza we have had >> dr. mendoza we have had hundreds of thousands of ukrainians come to this country.

we've had over 100,000, perhaps almost 200,000 hong kongers, as i don't think we've had a single report about how these groups of people have gone into ghettoised communities or have failed to integrate. do you think that some groups have found it easier to integrate into britain than others ? others? >> yeah, i think that's a fair comment to make and i think , oh comment to make and i think, oh no, i was really looking forward to hearing what what alan had to say. >> oh, he's back. he's back. alan, sorry we cut you off in your prime there, mr fight. >> i was just about to say that. look what you've got. are look what you've got. there are two people, ukrainians two groups of people, ukrainians at day, are, you at the end of the day, are, you know, a european society, know, from a european society, there's of a commonality. there's a sort of a commonality. if you go to ukraine, it's not radically different from the uk. you can understand why there's easy integration there. hong kong has had a long history with britain in terms of its connectivity , and again, you can connectivity, and again, you can see understand why there see and understand why there might an easier integration might be an easier integration path i think, though, path there. i think, though, it's fascinating to see that almost a million of arrivals

almost a million of the arrivals came outside the european came from outside the european union in the last year. large numbers of those will not be ukrainians and ukrainians and hong kongers. and the to be asked, the question has to be asked, do we confident that people we are we confident that people with not necessarily a historical link to uk historical link to the uk or sort of common culture to the uk are they going to find it as easy to integrate without help from the government as those who do have those? >> although i don't know , dr. >> although i don't know, dr. mendoza, have thought mendoza, i would have thought that from a that someone who comes from a country like india, which has had history with had a long history with the united kingdom might united kingdom, might find it easier integrate someone united kingdom, might find it easiean integrate someone united kingdom, might find it easie an eastern te someone united kingdom, might find it easiean eastern europeanymeone united kingdom, might find it easiean eastern european country from an eastern european country that hasn't had a historical connection to united kingdom i >> -- >> oh, but you've got to remember the historical nature, the historical connection. i think i was in india fairly recently and wanted . to ask recently and i wanted. to ask about the historical connection to everyone i was speaking to and what was fascinating was that most people obviously have very mixed views about their their experience, their british experience, given it as it was a colonial experience as opposed civilisation opposed to a shared civilisation experience, as might have experience, as you might have found europeans in found with, with europeans in that way. and i think,

that sort of way. and i think, you know, there is an element, therefore of, of understanding different histories and different histories and different of different people's experience of britishness to, sort of britishness to, to sort of perceive of how they might react to being in the uk, not to stress for one moment that the indian migrants will not be able to integrate we've seen to integrate here. we've seen many and i think you many examples and i think you can obvious at can see a very obvious one at the the country the head of the country from family histories. >> yes, course. but there may >> yes, of course. but there may well some historic grievances well be some historic grievances , depending on you're to . , depending on who you're to. talking just very lastly, the political reaction in your position the henry jackson position at the henry jackson society. lot society. you will speak to a lot of mps . they are so of conservative mps. they are so frustrated at these numbers. why is the government doing is the government not doing anything about it ? anything about it? >> well, you may be surprised to heat >> well, you may be surprised to hear. a of hear. i also speak to a lot of labour and everyone's rather labour mps and everyone's rather bemused by the by figures . bemused by the by the figures. to you're not finding to be fair, you're not finding anyone, clapping and anyone, you know, clapping and applauding of the applauding the sort of the numbers as being something that that , know, is that, you know, that is sensible. i think mps on all sides want an honest sides really want an honest debate about this. i think, you know, you mentioned earlier there's reasons for it. there's economic reasons for it. fine, put them out the fine, let's put them out on the table . let's explain the social

table. let's explain the social cost. the cost. let's explain the infrastructure costs and let's have it, have a proper debate about it, which is something i don't think we've country . we've had in this country. >> and well, alan mendoza, >> and well, dr. alan mendoza, i'm afraid we're going to have to there. but thank you to leave it there. but thank you so much for your perspective there. it. there. we really appreciate it. and the and i suppose one of the benefits of having control over and i suppose one of the ben migration ving control over and i suppose one of the ben migration ving c0iisol over and i suppose one of the ben migration ving c0iis we ver and i suppose one of the ben migration ving c0iis we do our migration system is we do get these now. get to have these debates now. but element of but another element of migration, of course, is illegal migration. small boats . let's migration. small boats. let's cross now to dover, where ray addison is on the south coast. and ray, what's the very latest of those small boats? arrivals well , when it comes to the well, when it comes to the stats, the year ending september of 2023, we had . just over of 2023, we had. just over 45,000 illegal arrivals in the uk. >> now they are not all arriving on small boats. the figure for thatis on small boats. the figure for that is 37,556. that's 83% of all illegal arrivals into the country. however it is 16% less than in the same period to

september of 2022. now, when it comes to the number of boats arriving and the number of people in each boat, we had 787 boats during that period. that's down 34. but the number of people in the boats is actually increased . it's an average of increased. it's an average of 48. that's up from 37in the previous period. so who came and where did they come from ? well, where did they come from? well, 88% are male and a quarter of all arrivals through the small boat route came from afghanistan. originally, there were afghans and iranians were second. and then iraqis were the third highest nationality. as we have seen a significant reduction in in the number of albanians during that period, making that crossing. and that's the government says , down to a the government says, down to a prisoner transfer agreement that they do have with that country at the moment, they do have with that country at the moment , however, we've at the moment, however, we've seen newer , different seen newer, different nationalities start to make that

crossing turkish people were in fourth place, followed by eritreans and then syrians in the top rounding out the top six. now, of course, many that arrive go on then to claim asylum. now the government says it's transitioning to a new data system so they don't have all the latest stats . what they do the latest stats. what they do have is up to june of this year. and of that number, 90% have claimed asylum . and it's clearly claimed asylum. and it's clearly a really painfully slow process for those that are going through that. 784% of all small boat asylum applications made since 2018. that's 2018 are still awaiting a decision as of june 2028. and of those who had received a decision, 65% were granted refugee status . granted refugee status. >> well, ray, thank you very much for that latest information. and it's looking like it's a pretty sunny november day there, pretty calm

seas. november day there, pretty calm seas . perhaps we'll see some seas. perhaps we'll see some more small boat arrivals which we affected deeply by we know are affected deeply by the weather conditions. ray anderson, there. the weather conditions. ray ancyes. n, there. the weather conditions. ray ancyes. and ere. the weather conditions. ray ancyes. and up. the weather conditions. ray ancyes. and up next, we'll be >> yes. and up next, we'll be discussing controversy discussing the controversy regarding arch. the regarding the wembley arch. the football says football association says suddenly no more lighting it up to back humanitarian causes . to back humanitarian causes. it's not going to happen at wembley stadium . so this is good wembley stadium. so this is good afternoon, britain on gb news

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news is . now.

news is. now. >> this is an interesting one. the football association has announced that it will stop illuminating wembley stadium's iconic arch in support of humanitarian and social causes. well, this comes after the fa's chief executive , mark bullingham chief executive, mark bullingham admitted he recognised the hurt to the jewish community caused by the decision to leave the arch unlit during the england men's friendly against australia i >> -- >> in the week after the hamas terror attack on israel. so instead of lighting it up, they've decided that now is the time to never light the arch again with anything to do with whether it's lgbt ukraine, obviously any kind of humanitarian political event . humanitarian political event. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> let's get more on this now with aidan magee, the sports broadcaster and journalist, of course, often was the course, aiden. how often was the wembley lit up until the wembley arch lit up until the latest israel crisis . latest israel crisis. >> good afternoon to you both.

the first time i remember it was probably november 2015 when the bataclan attacks happened in paris , england. it was different paris, england. it was different then because england actually playing france a friendly playing france in a friendly just a few days time. so it seemed quite, you know , a bit of seemed quite, you know, a bit of a spirit of timing more than anything. and so that's the first time i saw it lit up. we've seen it happen much more regularly in recent times, so we've in, example, we've seen it in, for example, last year at the world cup, almost exactly a year ago, when the players you can the england players you can see the england players you can see the benefit the pictures there for a benefit of listeners, we of our radio listeners, we can see up the rainbow see it lit up in the rainbow colours, the pride colours, because players because the england players were banned wearing their banned from wearing their rainbow armbands world rainbow armbands at the world cup because it contravened local rules , local local laws rather. rules, local local laws rather. more recently, we've seen it lit up for ukraine last year. of course, or sorry, 18 months or so ago in the red and blue of the ukrainian flag. so it's been used more . it's kind of used more. it's kind of expedient really, because this time is about keeping sponsors happy. time is about keeping sponsors happy . you know, we have 32 happy. you know, we have 32 commercial partnerships listed on the fa website among them are

some very politically divisive companies like disney, like budweiser, even barclays more closer to home. so this is about keeping sponsors happy. in addition to that, i mean, i said to friends at the fa seven, eight years ago, close friends, i meddling in politics or i said meddling in politics or inviting politics into this sport is going to lead you down a ruinous path. and i think that i've been proved over i've been proved correct over that i've been proved correct over tha well, what's frustrating is >> well, what's frustrating is i think i reckon quite a few of our and listeners on gb our viewers and listeners on gb news would agree that wembley arch should be lit up for arch should not be lit up for social causes and political events things . but the events and things. but the decision it's interesting, decision now it's interesting, isn't it? you say it's because of sponsors without doubt. >> it's about money. football is about money. that's, you know, an agent said to me five years ago in relation to one of his clients, the aiden about clients, the game aiden is about making let's be making money. so let's not be surprised for surprised about that. but for somebody loves the game of somebody who loves the game of football let's be clear just football and let's be clear just how is, you're how big football is, you're talking just one division talking about just one division in one sport. having a rights

portfolio worth £9 billion globally. now that's important because political causes political activists , they want political activists, they want the numbers. they want the they want the engagement, they want the access to large groups of people, large territories , large people, large territories, large organisations. just people sitting in their homes like you and me, watching matches. they're not actually interested in promoting the game. they're not actually interested in enhancing the game. they're not actually interested in increasing participation . that's increasing participation. that's what troubles lot of football what troubles a lot of football people . don't get me wrong, the people. don't get me wrong, the fa still have sponsorship fa will still have sponsorship commitments fa will still have sponsorship commi'have:s observe. fa will still have sponsorship commi'have:s observe . so they'll have to observe. so instead lighting up the arch, instead of lighting up the arch, which seems particularly contentious, see more contentious, we'll see more observances minute's silence . observances of minute's silence. we'll see probably more items worn as part of the livery of the shirts, for example, things like armbands now and that also don't get me wrong, they'll still trouble players and say to them, listen, could you read out this pre—prepared statement? it really the case really help us. but in the case of henderson, that of jordan henderson, that doesn't when doesn't really matter much when someone multi someone plants is a multi, multi million pound contract in front of face. of his face. >> well, it's a lesson to watch

the , isn't it? the virtue signalling, isn't it? aidan magee. thank you very much indeed. sports journalist and broadcaster friend of the channel. although i have to say i reckon this won't last long. >> i don't think this will last long. i think soon as there long. i think as soon as there is terror attack, perhaps is a terror attack, perhaps in a western country, it'll light up again. think this israel again. i think this is an israel specific thing and it shows some moral cowardice. >> yes , i think you might be >> yes, i think you might be right on that but let us right on that one. but let us know what you think home. know what you think at home. >> government >> well, the government says it's the autumn it's confident that the autumn statement the statement struck the right balance the economy statement struck the right balathe the economy statement struck the right balathe public. the economy and the public. >> yes , and comes energy >> yes, and this comes as energy regulator ofgem announced an increase energy price increase to their energy price cap today. that means the average energy average household energy bill is looking yearly rise of looking at a yearly rise of about £100. >> well , joining us in the >> well, joining us in the studio is gb news economics and business editor liam halligan with on the money . liam, let's with on the money. liam, let's start with this energy price cap. has it changed all that much? it has changed a bit, tom. >> so this is the price cap that's implement by ofgem, the

energy regulator. so that's implement by ofgem, the energy regulator . so let's have energy regulator. so let's have a look at some of the numbers here from october to december, the price cap was £1,834 a year. that means the unit cost of combined electricity and gas for households is set at a rate that the average use results in a bill of £1,834. that's going up from january to march next year to £1,928. so the average household is looking at an annual rise in their combined gas electricity bill of £94, just short of £100. as you said , just short of £100. as you said, emily. and vitally , here's the emily. and vitally, here's the rub . this doesn't include rub. this doesn't include standing charges. if you talk to lots of households, if you talk to lots of businesses , also, to lots of businesses, also, even if the unit cost of energy is capped by the regulator stand ing, charges aren't. and in some cases standing charges. that is just the cost of being connected. however much you use

are skyrocketing . so they are are skyrocketing. so they are outside of the regulator's reach, if you like. >> and liam, the dust is settled a little on the autumn statement yesterday . what's the your yesterday. what's the your impression of how it has cut through with the public and the political reaction overall? positive >> well, i must say, without wishing to pat ourselves too firmly on the back, emily, i think our coverage yesterday was bang on the money, to coin a phrase. we said very early that these are substantial headline tax rises, but they're more than offset by the tax increases represented by ongoing freezing of thresholds where tax starts at 12.5 grand, where the basic rate kicks in, where the higher rate kicks in, where the higher rate kicks in at 37 grand, and where the additional rate kicks in at £125,000 because they are frozen and they will stay frozen until 2028. millions more people are being dragged into paying tax and into higher tax

brackets. and as rachel reeves said, and as you and i and tom said, and as you and i and tom said, literally the moment the chancellor sat down these fiscal drag elements, these frozen tax thresholds, the implications of those for higher tax, more than outweigh the implications of lower tax in the form of the lower tax in the form of the lower national insurance rate from 12 to 10. and in the form of full expensing for businesses when they can offset the cost of their manufacturing investments against corporation tax. so i think there's a huge amount of sleight of hand here. and this morning so far on gb news, i've been quite critical of the chancellor and indeed last night on some of the prime time shows. i think chancellor is i think the chancellor is treating if treating the public as if they're this ongoing they're stupid with this ongoing use of stealth taxation, the pubuc use of stealth taxation, the public really isn't stupid. they may not have heard of the phrase fiscal drag in cases, but fiscal drag in many cases, but they absolutely know what it is. so i think the chancellor is going have try lot going to have to try a lot harder in spring budget in harder in the spring budget in march april before general march or april before a general

election in in order to try and in order to try and impress the pubuc in order to try and impress the public with his tax cutting offers . offers. >> and they'll certainly be clued up after listening to you, liam bringing us breaking it down for us always in such a simple but detailed. i'm a simple but detailed. i'm a simple man, emily. >> i'm a simple man. >> i'm a simple man. >> a simple man. a simple man. thank you very much indeed. liam halligan. brain. halligan. but also a big brain. a sized brain . stay tuned. >> einstein had quite a small brain, packed brain, but it was packed together anyway , let's get to together anyway, let's get to the now. but. and stay the news now. but. and also stay tuned there's an action tuned because there's an action packed coming we'll be packed show coming up. we'll be live as the red wall live in dudley as the red wall reacts jeremy hunt claiming reacts to jeremy hunt claiming to those taxes . to slash those taxes. >> good afternoon. here are the headunes. >> good afternoon. here are the headlines . at 135, the director headlines. at 135, the director of gaza's largest hospital has been arrested. the israeli defence forces say the head of the al—shifa hospital was detained following evidence the

building had been used as a control and command centre for the hamas terror group . israeli the hamas terror group. israeli troops entered the complex earlier this month and say they've uncovered extensive terrorist activity , including a terrorist activity, including a tunnel as well as many weapons. meanwhile, the foreign secretary has visited israel this morning amid uncertainty about when a pause in the war with hamas will begin. the agreement for a four day ceasefire in gaza appears to have been delayed. a senior israeli official said it would not take effect before friday. under the planned agreement, hamas will release 50 israeli hostages in exchange for 150 palestinian prisoners . as palestinian prisoners. as downing street says, more measures could be introduced to kerb net migration . an it comes kerb net migration. an it comes as new figures showed that legal immigration to the uk hit a new record of 745,000 in the year to december . most record of 745,000 in the year to december. most estimates suggest immigration is now slowing, while the number of people leaving the uk is going up,

while the number of people leaving the uk is going up , the leaving the uk is going up, the government says it's working to reduce the overall numbers. but labour leader sir keir starmer says the figure is shockingly high. represent a failure not just of immigration but also of asylum and of the economy . asylum and of the economy. >> because within that figure there is a huge increase in work visas, which shows the government hasn't done what it needs to do on skills within that number. >> a rising number of asylum seekers and disclosure that the hotel bills are going up and up. >> so this is a failure. >> so this is a failure. >> immigration, asylum and the economy . and of course it's economy. and of course it's taxpayers who are picking up the bill. >> two people have been taken to hospital with smoke inhalation after a huge fire in redding . after a huge fire in redding. videos posted to social media show thick smoke billowing from a high rise building near a construct site. those of you watching on television can see this dramatic footage of a worker being rescued by a crane . worker being rescued by a crane. crowds below were applauding ,

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thursday from six till 930 . thursday from six till 930. >> good afternoon , britain now. >> good afternoon, britain now. chancellor jeremy >> good afternoon, britain now. chancellorjeremy hunt has chancellor jeremy hunt has denied opting for pre election crowd pleasing taxes after announcing that the main national insurance rate would fall from 12 to 10% from january . in yesterday's much anticipated autumn statement, however, the government has also

been accused of misleading messaging on tax. >> that's because the overall tax burden remains at record high levels since the second world war even and the continued freeze on tax threshold is pulling more and more people into higher tax brackets . so are into higher tax brackets. so are we paying less or more tax? but let's speak to gb news presenter pip johnson now, who's getting the reaction in the red wall seat of dudley pip, we spoke to you earlier. you were at a market. where are you now ? market. where are you now? >> good afternoon to you both. well, i've just moved a few yards away into this small little shopping arcade where there's a tailors, there's a butchers , there are florists. butchers, there are florists. there's also a few empty shops as well, i have to say. but this cafe is one of just a few in the town that hasn't shut down. it's paula's caffe. she's been here eight years and she does seem to be doing a roaring business and being as it's lunchtime, obviously , i thought we'd pop obviously, i thought we'd pop in. so she's busy, but i think we can interrupt it. paula, come on. come on. have a chat with us

on. come on. have a chat with us on gb news one degrees one. >> mr martin. >> mr martin. >> hello to you. so what did you make of what you heard in jeremy hunts autumn statement yesterday? was there anything in it to help you? >> i don't think so . it to help you? >> i don't think so. i it to help you? >> i don't think so . i don't >> i don't think so. i don't think there was anything to help a small business. i think you give an increase for people's give us an increase for people's wages to go and they say this is something about the tax. but i think there's a lot really for us soon the minimum wage going up to £11, 44. >> that is good for young people . what's your thinking on it though? >> so where's that money going to come from? that extra amount of money we've just or just give them increase in april just gone. so that's a pound an hour. so that pound an hour has got to come somewhere it. come from somewhere ain't it. so obviously , if they do 20 obviously if, if they do 20 hours a week per hours that's £20 a week per person you've got to find so you have to also understand we're actually based in dudley. so i can't just continue to put my price up . everything goes up. price up. everything goes up. but we're actually keep all

we're at the moment is we're doing at the moment is riding a storm. >> i mean, looking at your prices. i don't know if we can just show viewers and listeners. i'll tell you, if you're listening on the radio, some of these prices are incredible. i mean, you can get an omelette with chips for £3, 99. i mean, how do you manage to keep your pnces how do you manage to keep your prices so low ? prices so low? >> well, we try our best. we keep the prices low. we haven't really got a really busy clientele. sometimes it's clientele. so sometimes it's best to make a small amount . and best to make a small amount. and then and i've now become into your business. okay >> red wall seat here. dudley north. big swing to the tories in 2019. what's going to happen next year ? next year? >> i think it's whoever , in my >> i think it's whoever, in my opinion, i think it's whoever is giving the people the best benefit. like if you don't work, you're really being looked after, in my opinion , because after, in my opinion, because you're having money left, right and centre , the people. so they and centre, the people. so they are having an increase in full. the gas, the electric and

everything . but the small everything. but the small business has taken the brunt of it. my, my electric here has actually trebled, not come down at all. >> three times he's gone and the energy price cap has risen today andifs energy price cap has risen today and it's going to cost people an average £94 and it's going to cost extra. >> it's going to cost the business £600 because i've had an email this morning to say that was what the increase will be, £600. so that's £600 you've got to find straight away . then got to find straight away. then i've got to find a pound for every person that works for us for their minimum wage . so you for their minimum wage. so you know, if i this explains why you told me you work about 75 hours a week. >> paula . >> paula. >> paula. >> well, that's it. i'm never at home, but i have to i have got a really busy business, but i have to work very, very hard at it as well. and just tell about well. and just tell me about dudley town centre . dudley town centre. >> it quite busy earlier . >> it seemed quite busy earlier. the market six days a week. yeah, it's changed a lot though. >> the market since i've had i've had the cafe here eight years and the town has actually

gone really downhill as people that have lost. we've lost wilkos , so we've lost a great wilkos, so we've lost a great big store there. and then what we finding out is that if you go for somewhere near the right for nominal amount of money, the if you come to rent somewhere, you look at it and the, the rent is phenomenal. so with that, with the rent, the rights and all the electricity , people are deciding electricity, people are deciding not to do it . when we spoke not to do it. when we spoke about it earlier today, it's £37,000 just for rights for wilkos . so you can understand wilkos. so you can understand why people are not coming to these shops and we actually need somebody as a big such as primark or somewhere like that to invest into. dudley okay , to invest into. dudley okay, paula, thank you so much. >> of course . dudley sorry. i'll >> of course. dudley sorry. i'll come back to you. you crack on. did i just say dudley? i meant to say dudley. dudley is famous . to say dudley. dudley is famous. of course. it's one of the birthplaces of the industrial revolution . and it's got dudley revolution. and it's got dudley castle, dudley zoo . it's got castle, dudley zoo. it's got a museum peaky blinders as well.

so you really would expect this town centre to be thriving . town centre to be thriving. >> well, well, thank you so much for bringing us that. you're your interviews today have been really lifting the programme and we really appreciate it. thank you . live from dudley, live from dudley. >> dudley, thank you very much for pip right now, for your time. pip right now, joining studio joining us in the studio is director the director general of the institute of economic affairs, mark littlewood. and also mark littlewood. and we also have of labour uncut , have editor of labour uncut, atul hatwell. thank you very much indeed forjoining us. well, go off the back of well, let's go off the back of what was up in the what pip was there up in the red wall want ask you, wall seat. i want to ask you, mark, you've been pal of liz mark, you've been a pal of liz liz . now alastair heath liz truss. now alastair heath wrote telegraph , he said wrote in the telegraph, he said that is adopting that jeremy hunt is adopting most core tenets of most of the core tenets of trussonomics . could that trussonomics. could that possibly be true ? possibly be true? >> he's adopted some of the core language , right? language, right? >> i mean, i think one thing you've got to credit, liz truss with is everybody is now talking about right ? i haven't about growth right? i haven't actually through the actually gone through the chancellor's working actually gone through the cha how or's working actually gone through the cha how many working actually gone through the cha how many times working actually gone through the cha how many times did/orking actually gone through the cha how many times did he ling out how many times did he mention growth in an hour? but i mean, felt like more than mean, it felt like more than once everybody's mean, it felt like more than

once about everybody's mean, it felt like more than once about growth erybody's mean, it felt like more than once about growth .rybody's mean, it felt like more than once about growth . here'ss mean, it felt like more than once about growth . here's the talking about growth. here's the problem they seem to be problem though. they seem to be willing the ends but not the means. so everybody wants to see growth up and the labour front bench rachel reeves is saying the same. but if you want that, you've actually got to make some pretty tough economic and political . and he's political decisions. and he's sort of pretending to have got tax down. well, he hasn't. tax is going up despite the cut in national insurance. there's a little bit here on deregulation. i welcomed around planning and those sort of things. he's got he's brought in the semblance of a back to work plan to make it harder to be on jobseeker's allowance forever. but it's pretty pretty thin gruel, really . and look i have i hold no torch for the obr. they're forecasts about what's going to happen to the economy are even worse than my forecasts about what's going to happen in football as football matches and about as scientific . but if you half scientific. but if you half believe the labour figures, well, we're nowhere near meaningful growth. we're not going annum going to cross the 2% per annum threshold at any point in the next five years. grim numbers ,

next five years. grim numbers, i'm afraid that's all i'm interested in your perspective here, because was saying we here, because mark was saying we keep same language , keep hearing the same language, really, not just from jeremy hunt, but also from rachel reeves. >> is there that much difference between the labour party and the conservative party on their spending taxing plans? now spending and taxing plans? now >> i think there some xsplit >> i think there is some xsplit bit difference and i think rachel across the rachel reeves was across the studios showing where studios yesterday showing where our specifically labour would move money around within existing totals. but i think what you can then take and we can see look to history for this is labour would have a very different set of priorities. back the 90s when i was a back in the 90s when i was a press officer during the for the labour party the labour national party during the 90s, we ran on a similar platform which was that we were sticking to aggregate tory spending totals. but the priority is when government priority is when in government first in that first term, but then in the second term we were radically different. and of radically different. and one of the that happens the things that happens when people governments, it's people elect governments, it's not of detail of a not just the sort of detail of a million here or 100,000 there

is, way is that party is, which way is that party pointing which way and where? labour's priorities would be different more different would be more investment sustainable investment in sustainable technology in the green industries , more focus on industries, more focus on supporting business, and actually then making closer relations with our trading partners , which includes europe, partners, which includes europe, wasn't one of the big criticisms of that first of of that first term of tony blair. >> the nhs not a significant amount of money went into it amount of money went into it. it wasn't his second term wasn't until his second term when free of tory when he broke free of tory spending restore paints that a lot of money went into the nhs. might we see something similar this time around with labour? not much changing public not that much changing on public spending the labour party, spending until the labour party, some would say , you know, put some would say, you know, put the investment in that these things need. others would say become more reckless with the pubuc become more reckless with the public . public finances. >> i wouldn't i wouldn't go with the reckless. the characterisation reckless. i think was the think what happened was the first labour government in 1970 2001 governed as it was elected . 2001 governed as it was elected. and in the context of the economic situation at the time , economic situation at the time, sort of 98, 99, 2000 economic situation changes , the global

situation changes, the global economy goes into an upswing . economy goes into an upswing. and actually at that point it where you can prudently invest. and that's why hospitals were rebuilt, schools were rebuilt , rebuilt, schools were rebuilt, the police were overhauled, and all of the infrastructure that had been kind of withering on the vine and kind of and decaying was was refreshed and it will fall again to another labour government to i'm sure many people would disagree with your of prudent your assessment of prudent spending under new labour. >> but mark, let's move on to the story the day, the biggest story of the day, and that is those migration numbers. sustainable for numbers. is it sustainable for a country like ours to have net migration at 600 odd thousand a year? no not given the way the country is structured . country is structured. >> and i mean by that, i mean i do buy into these arguments and you hear a lot. we've heard you hear them a lot. we've heard them spokespeople them from a lot of spokespeople on today that the on gb news today that the hospitals cope , the hospitals can't cope, the education system can't cope , the education system can't cope, the roads and the transport system can't cope. you'll notice all of these things have one thing in common. government, common. the government, they're run state. i've never run by the state. i've never heard a supermarket complaining that too many people trying

that too many people are trying to groceries or a cinema or to buy groceries or a cinema or sometimes they ration or a cinema claiming there are too many people who want to watch movies pub saying god damn movies or a pub saying god damn it, many people it, there's too many people trying beer we can't trying to buy beer. we can't hope so. so i think a lot of it is that the state infrastructure can't cope. there's no particular reason the particular reason why the population uk can't go population of the uk can't go up. long as can build the up. as long as you can build the infrastructure with it. infrastructure to go up with it. but given our sort of but we given our sort of planning restrictions that we, but we given our sort of plarknow, estrictions that we, but we given our sort of plarknow, nearly )ns that we, but we given our sort of plarknow, nearly to. that we, but we given our sort of plarknow, nearly to illegale, you know, nearly to illegal build anything in the united kingdom i you were kingdom now, i know you were saying tom's hobbyhorse kingdom now, i know you were saythis tom's hobbyhorse kingdom now, i know you were saythis well,|'s hobbyhorse kingdom now, i know you were saythis well, if hobbyhorse kingdom now, i know you were saythis well, if you'veiorse kingdom now, i know you were saythis well, if you've gota on this one. well, if you've got those restrictions, you can't take numbers. then take force of numbers. and then there's obviously a question of type. you bringing in people type. are you bringing in people who are net contributors and who are more than they're are earning more than they're taking from the economy? or are you in beneficiaries? >> about economics, >> just about economics, though, is social is it it's also about social cohesion , an integration issues cohesion, an integration issues as well, people not being comfortable with such dramatic demographic change. >> there is an aspect of that and rapid change, particularly in local areas, needs to be managed. but i think to tom's,

one of the points tom made a bit earlier , i can't think of earlier, i can't think of a single instance where there has been a challenge where a hong kong hasn't integrated or ukraine hasn't integrated, or an indian student has an integrated . at this point, we don't see those challenges. what we do need, as mark said, is to manage change and for our infrastructure to be upgraded because the prize is that we have people who are contributing , eating and helping lift our debt burden . and the prize is debt burden. and the prize is that we have doctors and nurses and public servants , health care and public servants, health care workers who can plug the gaps in our . our. >> the flip side of that, of course, is we have had on the streets of britain in recent weeks people chanting forjihad, weeks people chanting for jihad, for islamist slogans , as we've for islamist slogans, as we've had certain perhaps downsides to a lack of social cohesion. >> i agree. and that is and the people chanting for jihad and the anti—semitism is disgusting. but i would warrant the vast majority . we were born and

majority. we were born and brought up here. second generation, third generation. >> well, we'll continue this conversation in the next hour. at moment , conversation in the next hour. at moment, we're going to conversation in the next hour. at to moment, we're going to conversation in the next hour. at to a|oment , we're going to conversation in the next hour. at to a break, , we're going to conversation in the next hour. at to a break, buta're going to conversation in the next hour. at to a break, but lotsgoing to conversation in the next hour. at to a break, but lots more to get to a break, but lots more coming is britain's coming up. this is britain's newsroom >> again. welcome to your >> hello again. welcome to your latest gb news weather update from office. remain from the met office. remain windy for many areas through the rest today, but there'll a rest of today, but there'll be a spell rain marking the change spell of rain marking the change to some colder weather through the 24 hours or so. for the next 24 hours or so. for many of spell of rain many of us, that spell of rain will by this will be brought by this cold front. sinking front. it's slowly sinking southwards and behind it, that's when colder when we've got the much colder air introduced. some air being introduced. so some rain for a time across central areas this afternoon and then into the south through this evening. north, fairly evening. further north, fairly dry cloudy dry for many, but rather cloudy there will be some snow showers across the hills of scotland and some icy and very windy conditions across the shetland isles as through the isles as well through the evening , we'll see temperatures evening, we'll see temperatures lower than last night. so a chillier start tomorrow morning , chillier start tomorrow morning, but frost will be fairly limited because of that strengthening breeze. but it will be a very chilly day through friday for the bulk of the uk away from the far temperatures

far south—west. so temperatures here will still fall through the day . there'll be here will still fall through the day. there'll be a bit more sunshine on offer though, through of through friday. plenty of sunshine through scotland, sunshine up through scotland, northern areas northern england, central areas of england as well. a little cloudier southwest cloudier in the far southwest where we're holding on to that slightly milder air through where we're holding on to that slig afternoonir air through where we're holding on to that sligafternoon onir through where we're holding on to that sligafternoon on fridayigh where we're holding on to that sligafternoon on friday and then the afternoon on friday and then through saturday with clear spells. it'll be a very frosty start potentially as low as minus eight to start on saturday morning. but again , plenty of morning. but again, plenty of crisp, autumnal sunshine across the uk through saturday. there'll be another frosty start on sunday, but rain will arrive

good afternoon, britain. >> it's 2:00 on thursday, the 23rd of november. migration backlash as the net migration figures remain at a record high. >> is there any hope for a government that once pledged to reduce it to the tens of thousands ? thousands? >> the autumn statement pledged that get the economy growing again , but with the highest tax again, but with the highest tax burden since the war? can jeremy hunt go for growth and can anything stop the european populist surge as veiled as stomps to victory in the netherlands ? netherlands? >> is euro scepticism now unstoppable ? all . unstoppable? all. >> and as the former gb news

presenter , now cabinet minister presenter, now cabinet minister esther mcvey , appears before the esther mcvey, appears before the commons as minister for common sense , do we need an anti—woke tsar? >>i tsar? >> i say, why not government? >> i say, why not government? >> well, i just miss presenting alongside her. she's a big loss to the studio, but i suppose it's good to see. good to see her back in government. >> yes. i mean, her official title is minister without portfolio . yeah. which portfolio. yeah. which essentially means working across all departments. some people scoff at the idea of a common sense minister, which is the unofficial title along with anti—woke tsar yes . anti—woke tsar yes. >> i don't know. jacob rees—mogg made the complaint that we sort of everyone should be the spotting out these different issues across government. but i suppose one point person for it is an interesting strategy. the question i think is , is has question i think is, is has esther mcvey been appointed just to sort of have a more media line to counterbalance david cameron's appointment? was this just plucking someone from gb news simply to try and placate

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roberts in the newsroom. here are the top stories. it's 2:02. downing street says more measures could be introduced to kerb net migration. it comes as new figures showed that legal immigration to the uk hit a new record of 745,000in the year to december . most record of 745,000in the year to december. most estimates suggest immigration is now slowing, while the number of people leaving the uk is going up, while the number of people leaving the uk is going up , the leaving the uk is going up, the government says it's working to reduce overall numbers. but labour leader sir keir starmer says the figure is shocking . says the figure is shocking. >> high represents a failure not just of immigration but also of asylum and of the economy , asylum and of the economy, because within that figure there is a huge increase in work visas, which shows the government hasn't done what it needs to do on skills within that number are a rising number of asylum seekers and disclosure that the hotel bills are going up and up. >> so this is a failure in immigration, asylum and the economy. >> and of course it's taxpayers who are picking up the bill. the

director of gaza's largest hospital has been arrested. >> the israeli defence forces say the head of the al—shifa hospital was detained following evidence a building had been used as a control and command centre for the hamas terror group . meanwhile, the foreign group. meanwhile, the foreign secretary is visiting israel amid uncertainty about when a pause in the war with hamas will begin . a senior israeli official begin. a senior israeli official said the truce would not take effect before friday, a day later than originally expected . later than originally expected. in a meeting with prime minister benjamin netanyahu, lord cameron said he wants to see the hostages released . hostages released. >> it's important we talk about this potential humanitarian pause. this potential humanitarian pause . i this potential humanitarian pause. i think it's an opportunity to crucially get hostages out and to get aid into gaza. there's never an excuse for this sort of hostage taking . for this sort of hostage taking. all the hostages should be released, but i hope everyone who's responsible and behind this agreement can can make it happen to bring relief to those families, including, of course ,

families, including, of course, there are british nationals who've been taken hostage . who've been taken hostage. >> two people have been taken to hospital with smoke inhalation after a huge fire in redding. videos posted to social media show thick smoke billowing from a high rise building near a construction site. those of you watching on television will be able to see this dramatic footage of a worker being rescued by a crane crowd below were, in fact, applauding as he was lifted from the building. now the area on station hill in redding has been cordoned off and people are being advised to avoid the area for the timing of the next general election. had no impact on the decision to cut taxes , according to the taxes, according to the chancellor . jeremy hunt used the chancellor. jeremy hunt used the autumn statement yesterday to announce cuts to national insurance. they'll save someone earning £35,000 is more than £450 a year. labour says that crumbling public services and the rising cost of living mean that people don't feel better off. but the chancellor says the

government's plan is working . government's plan is working. >> but the measures that i've taken today are what, more than 200 businesses wrote to me to ask for the big business organisations like the cbi . i organisations like the cbi. i said it was the single most transformative thing that i could do. they're not particularly crowd pleasers. they're not the tax cuts that are on the tip of everyone's tongues, like an income tax cut or inheritance tax. but they are the things that will make the biggest difference our long biggest difference to our long term competitiveness . term competitiveness. >> well, despite those tax cuts , >> well, despite those tax cuts, energy bills are expected to rise after the energy regulator announced a 5% increase to the price cap from january. the average household will pay around £94 more over the course of a year. ofgem says the increase is mostly driven by market instability and global events like the war in ukraine. the government's top scientific adviser, who once referred to rishi sunak as dr. death , has rishi sunak as dr. death, has told the covid inquiry that short circuit breakers would

have been more effective than lockdowns . professor dame angela lockdowns. professor dame angela mclean said discussions in september 2020 we assumed that cases would rise due to seasonal factors . her view was that factors. her view was that interventions aimed at keeping infections flat would avoid creating what she called a panicky situation. she added that harsh lockdowns had to be enforced because they were left to the last possible moment . a to the last possible moment. a eurosceptic could be on track to become the next prime minister of the netherlands . geert of the netherlands. geert wilders is leading talks to form a coalition government after his freedom party caused upset last night. the right wing populist has stoked tensions with promises to freeze immigration and slash payments to the eu . and slash payments to the eu. but despite his euro scepticism , but despite his euro scepticism, he'll have to work with pro—eu parties if he's to form government . this is gb news government. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker. car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker . just say your smart speaker. just say play your smart speaker. just say play gb news. now it's back to tom and . emily

tom and. emily >> right back to our top story of the day. could we be seeing the start of a fall in net migration? well, the office for national statistics says it's too early tell. that's too early to tell. that's because figure in the year, because the figure in the year, up to 2023, stood at up to june 2023, stood at a whopping 672,000. >> well, this marks a fall from the official 2022 figure, but get this that's only because the last figure has now been revised up to show that net migration actually hit a record level of 745,000 last year, rather than 607,000, which is what we thought it was . thought it was. >> so, yeah, well, it's put rishi sunak under renewed pressure from his party, tory mps are demanding action from ministers to bring down those numbers. legal and illegal numbers. both legal and illegal migration. well, let's dive into the nitty gritty here with our security and home editor mark white. >> mark, what are the details of

these numbers ? these numbers? >> well, remember, it was a key pledge of the now foreign secretary former prime minister david cameron , to bring net david cameron, to bring net migration down to the tens of thousands. migration down to the tens of thousands . well, it's staggering thousands. well, it's staggering to see where we are now, not that long on from when david cameron spoke about this 672,000. and is the net migration to the uk in the year to june. and that was made up of about a 1.2 million who arrived in the uk and about 500,000 and who left the uk . but arguably who left the uk. but arguably the most astonishing figure was not the year to june , but the not the year to june, but the previous statistics , which have previous statistics, which have been revised upwards by the office for national statistics. look at that figure . 745,000 and look at that figure. 745,000 and a net migration in in the year to december 2022. that was up

139,000 on the figures we were talking about earlier in the yean talking about earlier in the year, which had reached a record level of 606,000. but we didn't know it was 139,000. more than that. know it was 139,000. more than that . taking know it was 139,000. more than that. taking a look at some of the other figures within the latest stats, you can see that work visas were at 322,000, up 87,000, 50,000 of those were for dependants. and then looking at student visas, well , student student visas, well, student visas have gone up . to 378,000, visas have gone up. to 378,000, 58,000 up on the previous set of figures. and again, drilling down into that 96,000 of those students visas were issued to depend it's up 38,000 on the previous figures. and actually the home office is have also issued a set of figures as well

which show that in their calculations, 154,000 student visas were issued to dependants and the reason that there is that difference . between 96,000 that difference. between 96,000 and 154,000 odd is because they've issued the visas. but those dependents haven't arrived as yet. now the home secretary , as yet. now the home secretary, james cleverly, has been accentuating the positive. he certainly has. he says , behind certainly has. he says, behind the overall migration figures are a number of important and positive changes . he says positive changes. he says today's statistics, which show the biggest drivers of immigration to the uk, are students and healthcare workers , students and healthcare workers, are testament. he says . both to are testament. he says. both to our world leading university sector way and to our immigration system , which immigration system, which prioritises the skills we need double. we're here, there for the home secretary. talk about

accentuating the positive. >> do i sense a bit of disbelief from you? mark no. >> i mean, hats to off him. if he can find anything in those figures that is positive because really, 672,000 people into the uk, when you have a government that has been committed to driving those figures down to the tens of thousands since 2010, effectively it takes a lot of doing to come away with some positives as well. >> mark wyatt, thank you so much for talking us through. hang on. >> i have one more question mark. >> one more question for mark. quickly. a bit of quickly. you've done a bit of digging for us on who's leaving. a interested a lot of people are interested in people who are in who are the people who are leaving this country. >> take the credit >> i'd like to take the credit for , but it was our trusty for this, but it was our trusty producer, tom fredericks, who was burying his head into those figures. just for you, emily. and that shows that that the numbers of the 500,000 figure for those that left the uk round

about 100,000, just under are actually british nationals going off to work and study abroad. the majority of the rest of that 400 odd thousand odd is students that are reaching the end or have reached the end of their study period and they're returning back to their home countries. it's frankly staggering what a proportion of those both coming in and leaving are students, 400,000. >> the bulk of that students leaving. but. >> the bulk of that students leaving. but . also 378,000 leaving. but. also 378,000 students and their dependents . students and their dependents. that's more than half of the entire number coming in as students . students. >> i wonder whether it's such a good thing that our universities are dependent on foreign are so dependent on foreign students. i don't know. >> it's a britain around the world. well, it's doubly line on it. but do they prop up some of the lesser valuable courses? it. but do they prop up some of thei don't valuable courses? it. but do they prop up some of thei don't know. le courses? it. but do they prop up some of thei don't know. i! courses? it. but do they prop up some of thei don't know. i don't;es? it. but do they prop up some of thei don't know. i don't know. >> i don't know. i don't know. just there. just putting it out there. anyway, much anyway, thank you very much indeed. white, homeland indeed. mark white, homeland security at gb news. security editor at gb news. >> i think if it was up to me,

i'd put a hard limit on, you know, ranked universities know, they ranked universities every the every year, perhaps only the top 100 universities should take international think 100 universities should take interwouldal think 100 universities should take interwouldal out think 100 universities should take interwouldal out quite ink 100 universities should take interwouldal out quite ak 100 universities should take interwouldal out quite a lot. that would weed out quite a lot. i know, maybe the 150. i don't know, maybe the top 150. maybe too mean. maybe i'm being too mean. >> speak to >> shall we speak to conservative mps, sir michael fabncant conservative mps, sir michael fabricant ? hello, michael. thank fabricant? hello, michael. thank you much indeed for your you very much indeed for your time. ah, there are. james time. ah, there you are. james cleverly rather relaxed cleverly seems rather relaxed about these migration figures. are you ? are you? >> no , but i must say, though, >> no, but i must say, though, on the student front, let me tell you, before i became an mp, iused tell you, before i became an mp, i used to sell radio and television stations abroad and one of the things i always found it was easier to sell in countries where the engineers had gone to british universities i >> -- >> so it actually does have payback. >> and i'm not so bothered personally . personally. >> you know, the more foreign students who pay a fortune to go to british universities as there are, it means you pay less. hang on, michael. a british student, that's all well and good. >> and for global >> and i'm for all global britain students come britain and having students come here. but course, they do here. but of course, they do require housing and they may use

pubuc require housing and they may use public services and they may wish to use transport and everything else. and unfortunately, your government hasn't built the infrastructure needed. >> well, yeah, and i mean , >> well, yeah, and i mean, that's a fair point. >> but you know, students leave, as you've already been saying , as you've already been saying, as you've already been saying, as well as come in. but let's focus on those who shouldn't be here. the illegal immigrants, they are the problem. now, the government's been looking at all sorts of solutions. they looked at the labour party's solution, which was interesting to do a deal with europe, but europe, of course, is also having a real problem now with increased immigration. hence, and i hope you're going to be impressed with the correct pronunciation, the election of wilders in holland dutch radio are clients of mine, so i'm very good on the old dutch pronunciation because you get a lot of people getting elected now in germany and france and holland, as we've seen , who are becoming very seen, who are becoming very eurosceptic . i seen, who are becoming very eurosceptic. i mean, seen, who are becoming very eurosceptic . i mean, god, even eurosceptic. i mean, god, even michel barnier, the one we were

negotiating against when we were trying to leave the eu , who is trying to leave the eu, who is now saying there has to be a now a new european union which redefines things, but anyway, back to your point, which was all about immigration. so we looked at the labour party suggestion , but with increased suggestion, but with increased immigration into continental europe, it would mean even more immigration into the uk and people that we would have no control over at all. so the labour party idea is rejected . labour party idea is rejected. the government has looked at other possible locations because following the supreme court ruling which said yes, in principle you can process applications abroad, but they didn't like the idea of doing it in rwanda. i know the government's looked at the falklands and other locations as they were slightly worried. i'm told when they looked at certain crown colonies like bermuda and thought on, that might be thought hang on, that might be too attractive and people might even will want to come in even more will want to come in the hope they'll safe. the hope they'll be safe. michael in michael i'd be getting in a small it meant free small boat if it meant a free

trip bermuda . trip to bermuda. >> me i'll go with you, >> me too. i'll go with you, tom. so anyway, they've been looking at that , and now they're looking at that, and now they're going to try and give them government what they're doing. >> legislation to see >> government legislation to see whether can still send people whether we can still send people to which will deter to rwanda, which will deter people from coming here. of course , there has been little course, there has been a little improvement we've deal improvement if we've done a deal with albania . so 90% of albania with albania. so 90% of albania have now been sent back to albania . italy's done a deal albania. italy's done a deal with albania , which we don't yet with albania, which we don't yet have, which is where they process everybody in albania a bit like we want to process them in rwanda. maybe the albanians will agree to that, who knows? >> it's interesting , though, >> it's interesting, though, michael, because these are two separate issues . the illegal separate issues. the illegal migration that i think everyone agrees we need to get down. ideally, you'd of course have zero illegal migration action. but then when it comes to some people don't believe that there's even such a thing. that's true. that's true. but but comes to legal but when it comes to legal migration , even after migration, even after leaving the union , that is the european union, that is something government

something the government does have control over . what have complete control over. what do you think needs to change with regard to how many visas we issue, whether or not we count students in the overall number or well, what policy changes do we need to see here? i think that's a very fair point . that's a very fair point. >> do you count students and their dependents? because, yeah, emily's right. they use up resources and whatever , but we resources and whatever, but we do have student accommodation as well. and universities are building for that. but they come and then most of them go again. some stay illegally , but they some stay illegally, but they come and they go and they're legal. i really think we should be a bit more income and more go. >> so it's constant. so it does add to the population. >> emily it's great for our universities . universities. >> i mean, i talk at great length with adam tickell and others . he's the vice chancellor others. he's the vice chancellor of the university of birmingham. i don't think our great universities would be as great if we didn't get the overseas students. i mean, there is a limit that we set anyway, but i

actually think no, when it comes to students coming to the uk , i to students coming to the uk, i think it's a good thing for our universities and the uk. but it's the illegal ones. the boat . it's the illegal ones. the boat. >> yeah. michael i think the issue for a lot of people is the, the dependence, which i believe of the government is actually cracking down on, although i'm not sure when it will kick in because a lot of people are very surprised when they hear that the students come along with wider families and all the rest of it. >> yeah, yeah, no, but you know what the problem is ? the problem what the problem is? the problem is that for a out of the top ten universities, cities in the world are british. and that's a good thing . good thing. >> yeah. we also have some less top ones, but we do have fantastic universe cities. that is very true. thank you very much for your time. michael fabricant, sir michael fabricant, sir michael fabricant, conservative mp. interesting. yeah >> no, i thought i thought very interesting. and i do think there is a distinction to be made here between genuine students migrants and

students and migrants and perhaps there's an even bigger distinction there between students who come here legitimately to go to of legitimately to go to some of those universities and those top universities and perhaps those that come to pretend to university, see perhaps those that come to preteactually to university, see perhaps those that come to preteactually justjniversity, see perhaps those that come to preteactually just want 'sity, see perhaps those that come to preteactually just want to y, see perhaps those that come to preteactually just want to bring that actually just want to bring their yes. their families into. well, yes. >> were >> don't you remember there were quite into quite a few investigations into sham , what theresa may sham courses, what theresa may did home secretary, visa ? did as home secretary, a visa? yeah. doon yeah. through the back door. just, , say you're just, you know, say you're signing this english signing up to this english course or something. >> heard michael >> well, we heard from michael fabncant >> well, we heard from michael fabricant there, the conservative labour's shadow conservative mp, labour's shadow home yvette cooper, home secretary, yvette cooper, has said these has said that these net migration highlight the migration figures highlight the failure of the tories on migration action. >> she accused them of breaking the asylum system again, mixing up illegal migration there. >> let's cross to dover, speak with south east reporter ray with our south east reporter ray addison rae. can you bring us some from channel some updates from the channel >> yes. well, i suppose the labour party might argue that the level of illegal migration that's been announced today, which is at 45,000 odd for the year to september of 2023, might be partly or entirely because there aren't enough legal routes

of asylum to enter the united kingdom. obviously that one is up for debate . but of that up for debate. but of that 45,000 who entered the country illegally , 37,500 or 83% arrived illegally, 37,500 or 83% arrived via small boats and they would have turned up here at the port of dover or on an rnli vessel at one of the other ports along the coastline. as they made their way from france across the engush way from france across the english channel over the last 12 months. now, that figure is down 16. so the government will say that that's obviously a positive. the number of boats and the people per boat, 787 vessels, that's down 34. so less boats have actually been arriving, but they are getting bigger. so that more people can actually be in those vessels . actually be in those vessels. it's jumped from 37 to 48. now, an average of 48 people per small boat. and we have heard of

even bigger numbers than that . even bigger numbers than that. where did those people that did arrive here via small boats come from were and who were they? 88% were males. and a quarter of those who arrived. that's around about 9000 people were afghans , about 9000 people were afghans, was the second highest nationality were iranians, and then iraqi is. and as mr fabncant then iraqi is. and as mr fabricant was mentioning there, we have received a reduction in albanians due to the prisoner transfer agreement. of course, many do claim asylum , but the many do claim asylum, but the new data system has not been transitioned yet. so we don't have all the latest stats on that. what we do know, though, is that since 2018, seven, 84% of people who arrived via small boat are still awaiting a decision on their asylum application . application. >> wow. wow. whole held in that sort of scale neurotic state of being put in a hotel but not allowed to work. can't leave, can't go. it's madness . but also

can't go. it's madness. but also 88% male. so call me a cynic, but i would have thought the most vulnerable people escaping potential or seeking asylum might not be 88% male. so. mm hmm. ray allison, thank you very much. something to ponder, something to ponder. >> coming up this afternoon, we're going to the we're going to be going to the autumn statement as well. the debate continues over if jeremy hunt turn a corner, hunt can finally turn a corner, has in your eyes? this is has he, in your eyes? this is good afternoon, britain on

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six till 930. >> well, we go the extra distance on this show, tom, because little noticed alongside the autumn statement was a new look into how we can speed up infrastructure . infrastructure. >> that's right. some planning applications amounts to 90,000 pages of documentation on and the treasury says to put that into context, a planning officer would have to spend every minute of a full working week reading it . if a of a full working week reading it. if a planning of a full working week reading it . if a planning officer did it. if a planning officer did that, it would take roughly 395 days just to read the application. so is that the average? that's some of those big infrastructure projects. that's like nuclear power stations and the rest of it. and you aren't we you wonder why aren't we building these things ? well, 395 building these things? well, 395 days to read a document . days to read a document. >> should we dig into this a little more with the ceo of britain remade sam richards. sam is this why we're not getting things built? the documents are

just far too long. >> it's part of it. but whisper it quietly . yesterday was a very it quietly. yesterday was a very good day for people who want to cut through that red tape and make it easier for us to build . make it easier for us to build. firstly, because the government acknowledge the size and the scale of the problem. that stat that tom just mentioned bears repeating 9000 pages mean that isn't a document that isn't even a tome , that is a library of a tome, that is a library of documents that a planning official would have to sift through before we can get something built. so the very fact that the government has faced up to the problem that we have is a step in the right direction. and they've also looked they've set out how they want to bear down on some of the reasons why it takes so to reasons why it takes so long to build stuff the build stuff beyond the documentation. so making it harder for people to bring vexatious legal claims that bnngin vexatious legal claims that bring in delays and also speeding up the consultation process as well. so that's still much more to do. but this is the

first step to speeding up our broken planning system . broken planning system. >> it's about as long as our tax code really, isn't it? >> 9000 pages. i wonder , sam, so >> 9000 pages. i wonder, sam, so often i will see a piece of infrastructure like like a nuclear power station that has people, as you describe, sort of trying to sue the government for trying to sue the government for trying to sue the government for trying to build the thing. you get leftwing campaign groups, you get green groups, you get people who want to save newts or whatever else it is that stop us building the things that would make energy bills cheaper. >> that's absolutely right. and the real tragedy is that the current framework of environmental regulations , environmental regulations, firstly, they're stopping us building green sources of energy like nuclear power and new wind and solar. but at the same time , and solar. but at the same time, they're failing to protect nature . the british nature has nature. the british nature has beenin nature. the british nature has been in decline for 30 years. farmland birds, insect life, all key biodiversity indicators in decline under the current rules, the current framework, the red

tape that's binding up our green energy project is also failing to protect nature. it's got to be possible to do it a better way, and we think it is. >> i wonder how many brilliant proposals acts we've lost out on. what could we have if we didn't have this level of bureaucracy and box ticking? oh, we'd have bullet trains across the country. >> they'd be built for tuppence ha'penny tuppence ha'penny. sam, what are the actual changes that the treasury is now looking into ? >> 7- >> so ? >> so firstly 7— >> so firstly , 7 >> so firstly , one ? >> so firstly , one of 7 >> so firstly , one of the ? >> so firstly , one of the things >> so firstly, one of the things that they've done that's really important is they've updated these national policy statements that provide certainty to investors about what's required about when they're going forward with planning applications and what the government will look favourably on. so that's a big step right direction. as step in the right direction. as i then couple of i said, there's then a couple of points, simplifying points, one, around simplifying consultation options. that's not doing away with them at all. in fact, to your stat, tom, the 90 000 document that when you 000 page document that when you have documents that are that long, actually reduces long, that actually reduces democratic accountable party. so

we still need consultations , but we still need consultations, but they need to be simpler and more straightforward. and then to the point as well about streamlining and judicial review and simplifying judicial review to make it less likely that legal cases will be brought. there are some short term things that they're doing as well , such that they're doing as well, such as, speeding up the as, for example, speeding up the rollout of ev charges , giving ev rollout of ev charges, giving ev chargers permitted development . chargers permitted development. so there are some some short term , but those longer term term wins, but those longer term changes on consultations and on judicial review, that's what's to come . don't get me wrong, to come. don't get me wrong, this is only the first step. there's lots more to do. the fact that they didn't mention onshore wind yesterday all, onshore wind yesterday at all, for . well, you know, for example. well, you know, they're going to need to bring that into the planning regime to get so there's lots get it built. so there's lots more to do. but this is a really positive interesting positive first step. interesting >> it's one of those things that you didn't really hear much about yesterday, but now the details starting details are starting to percolate a supply side >> well, it's a supply side changes, isn't it really, that go but make a big go on notice but can make a big difference when it comes to the economy and our prosperity. thank much sam.

thank you very much indeed, sam. richard ceo of britain, remade. now we've got lots more coming up on today's nigel nigel up on today's show. nigel nigel farage, that is clashes with campmates over the issue that britain can't stop talking about. what's that? immigration soon we'll be asking, is it possible to have a sensible chat, reasonable chat about chat, a reasonable chat about today's migration figures? today's net migration figures? >> that's coming up. today's net migration figures? >> that's coming up . next >> that's coming up. next >> that's coming up. next >> good afternoon . i'm tamsin >> good afternoon. i'm tamsin roberts in the newsroom here are the headlines at 232 . well, the headlines at 232. well, first, let's start with some breaking news. qatar is saying that a list of civilians due for release from gaza has been received and a pause in fighting will start tomorrow morning. a spokesperson said the temporary ceasefire will start at tomorrow. that's friday morning and that a list of civilians to be released from gaza has been received . no further details at received. no further details at the moment , received. no further details at the moment, but that news coming

in from qatar. a spokesperson there saying a temporary ceasefire will start tomorrow, friday morning. and that a list of civilians due for release from gaza has now been received. of course , any more detail on of course, any more detail on this story? we will bring to you straight away . meanwhile, the straight away. meanwhile, the foreign secretary, david cameron , has met with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu on a visit to the country. lord cameron said he wanted to see for himself the communities affected by last month's hamas attacks , and he hopes all those attacks, and he hopes all those involved in the truce deal will make it happen. it's important we talk about this potential humanitarian pause . humanitarian pause. >> i think it's an opportunity to crucially get hostages out and to get aid into gaza. there's never an excuse for this sort of hostage taking. all the hostages should be released, but ihope hostages should be released, but i hope everyone who's responsible and behind this agreement can can make it happen to bring relief to those families, including, of course,

there are british nationals who've been taken hostage . and who've been taken hostage. and we've also been hearing today the director of gaza's largest hospital has been arrested. >> the israeli defence forces say the head of the al—shifa hospital has been detained following evidence the building had been used as a control and command centre for the hamas terror group. israeli troops entered the complex earlier this month and say they've uncovered extensive terrorist activity, including a tunnel as well as many weapons. to other including a tunnel as well as many weapons . to other news now. many weapons. to other news now. downing street says more measures could be introduced to kerb net migration. it comes as new figures showed that legal immigration to the uk hit a new record of 745,000 in the year to december . most record of 745,000 in the year to december. most estimates suggest immigration is now slowing, while the number of people leaving the uk is going up. well, those are the top stories. you can, of course get more on all of those headlines. just visit our website gbnews.com .

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news is . right. news is. right. >> well, nigel farage was confronted yesterday on his views on immigration. >> your auntie , immigrants. >> your auntie, immigrants. >> your auntie, immigrants. >> and who told you that?

>> and who told you that? >> oh, the internet told. >> oh, the internet told. >> oh, the internet told. >> oh, well, there we are then. it must be true. it must be true. it must be. it must be true. >> okay. but then why don't black people like you? >> amazed . they do. >> you'd be amazed. they do. well, you'd be amazed, nigel, if you . you. >> well , is it you. >> well, is it possible to have a reasonable conversation about migration ? ian joining us to migration? ian joining us to react for that extraordinary exchange , but also today's exchange, but also today's migration figures is gb news presenter albie amankona albie. thanks for joining presenter albie amankona albie. thanks forjoining us. firstly, your reaction to that extraordinary exchange between those two campmates in the jungle last night. those two campmates in the jungle last night . what jungle last night. what a bizarre exchange . i couldn't bizarre exchange. i couldn't imagine ever trying to debate a point with emily back when she was on the saturday five and her asked me where got the source asked me where i got the source from and me saying the from and me saying from the internet yet. >> it is just such >> i mean, it is just such a weak argument. i think just really is quite disappointing when you see young people going on television. >> they're platform on a >> they're given a platform on a national show, one of the

biggest shows in the country, like celebrity get out like i'm a celebrity get me out of and then they make a of here. and then they make a complete fool of themselves like nala in the nala has. and actually, in the first couple of episodes, i really nella. i thought first couple of episodes, i realmight nella. i thought first couple of episodes, i realmight endlla. i thought first couple of episodes, i realmight end up i thought first couple of episodes, i realmight end up beingight next she might end up being the next alison let alison hammond, and then she let her let herself down with her she let herself down with the disagreement had with the disagreement she had with fred when she when said he's fred when she when he said he's old enough to be her dad. and then she really let then i think she really let herself down last night her herself down last night in her discussion nigel, where she discussion with nigel, where she basically was basically claimed that he was racist he supported racist because he supported brexit people brexit and that black people didn't like farage. i'm didn't like nigel farage. i'm a black person. i like nigel farage. i might not agree with him on everything, but i certainly as certainly like him as a colleague . colleague. >> well, you think it >> well, do you think it actually in nigel actually played in nigel farage's he looked farage's favour then? he looked like the reasonable one. i possibly . possibly. >> really? i think it all depends on who is watching. it might well play in nigel's favour with gb news viewers. people who are fans nigel people who are fans of nigel farage. but we've got to remember when it comes to nella, she's huge tiktok star, huge she's a huge tiktok star, a huge star on youtube as well. it might actually play out quite well her fans she has well with her fans that she has told nigel farage that anti told nigel farage that he's anti

immigration and had a bit of a barney with him. imagine barney with him. i would imagine that both people's sets of fans from the i'm a celebrity stars will pleased with the will be pleased with the exchange happened. exchange that's happened. but i'm clear. don't like i'm very clear. i don't like what saw . what i saw. >> it was interesting what nigel was trying to say is that he wanted migration. then wanted lower migration. then what? responded with, so what? nella responded with, so you want me kicked out of the country? it seemed like there was sort of cognitive was a sort of cognitive dissonance some dissonance there between some lower inflow and outflow . do you lower inflow and outflow. do you think that people talk cross purposes in this conversation often ? often? >> i think we live in a world where people talk in absolutes . where people talk in absolutes. if you think we want lower migration , it means you want to migration, it means you want to kick all immigrants who live in this out. if you think this country out. if you think we want higher it we want higher migration, it means that you think we should have actually, have open borders when actually, if to people about if you talk to most people about migration, they all believe it should be controlled. most people think 745,000 people come to the country in one year. is probably too much and we should look to get it down to a look to get it back down to a more level . and i more manageable level. and i

don't really helped don't think it's really helped by the internet. we're just all in our silos all the time. we're not necessarily exposed to reasonable opinions. so reasonable opposite opinions. so i just don't really think the conversation has been held very much. but look, the figures that we've seen today are just too high and we to have an high and we need to have an honest about how we honest conversation about how we bnng honest conversation about how we bring down. honest conversation about how we briri| down. honest conversation about how we brir i | alba, down. honest conversation about how we briri| alba,down. been >> i mean, alba, you've been reasonably comes reasonably liberal when it comes to immigration. i just had a little look at your twitter feed . you've said there's nothing moderate at about numbers like this . this is a radical this. this is a radical immigration policy. >> absolutely . look, i'm a >> absolutely. look, i'm a moderate conservative, emily, you know that there is absolutely nothing moderate about 145,000 people coming into the country in one year. that is a radical immigration policy. as i said, you know, we came into power, the conservatives, back in 2010 with the liberal democrats with a pledge to bring back immigration down into the tens of thousands with what we then would call a moderate lib

dem conservative government led by nick clegg and of course, david cameron, who's back in the cabinet now, a moderate government , a government which government, a government which i supported . if now we've supported. if now we've allegedly shifted to the right. but immigration is now 2 or 3 times what it was pre brexit under cameron and clegg. something's clearly gone very wrong and i find it very interesting that in fact, after brexit, the tax burden has gone up and immigration has gone up. so you could probably argue that the conservative party has become less conservative after brexit before . brexit than before. >> well, i'll be amankona thank you so much for talking us through that big, big issue indeed, an issue that will kick off our conversation with our panel who remain with us, mark littlewood , let's start with littlewood, let's start with you. this is arguably a pretty radical position the government has taken on migration , but has taken on migration, but precisely the opposite of the media narrative, which is this is a nationalist government. >> yeah, that's absolutely right. the numbers don't lie . i

right. the numbers don't lie. i think this has been . think this has been. >> unless they're revised. >> unless they're revised. >> well, well, right. yes. yeah. the revised numbers don't lie. the revised numbers don't lie. the initial numbers are always a lie. you're quite right, emily. and it is infuriating so much pubuc and it is infuriating so much public discourse now that you can't have a rational argument because a rational discussion about this actually requires quite lot of nuance. you were quite a lot of nuance. you were pointing out earlier , tom, you pointing out earlier, tom, you know, difference know, there's a difference between migration between legal migration and illegal migration. there's a difference between who illegal migration. there's a diff seeking etween who illegal migration. there's a diff seeking migrant who illegal migration. there's a diff seeking migrant status who illegal migration. there's a diff seeking migrant status and are seeking migrant status and people who are seeking asylum seeker status. why bother getting your head around that? just racist at people you just shout racist at people you disagree with much, easier disagree with much, much easier to line . but yeah, to go down that line. but yeah, clearly if you're seeing the population going up by 1% net per annum , that is a substantial per annum, that is a substantial growth in the population. we've got to have a proper argument about it , got to have a proper argument about it, proper discussion about it, proper discussion about it. i think there's probably once you drill into that more agreement than disagreement between people who get batted to one side or the other, but probably be the better place to have a

discussion about it. is your gb news studio rather than the jungle in australia? it was not exactly expecting that to bring us the most enlightened discussion on immigration numbers . numbers. >> yeah, poor nigel. well, i mean, he knows he's going to get a kicking. he must have been braced. >> he must have he must >> he must have been. he must have that. have been prepped for that. >> when he went in there >> he knew when he went in there he going to be we already he was going to be we already had on there had fred, the frenchman on there tackling brexit, tackling the issue of brexit, trying to hold nigel to account for it. anyway what are your thoughts on the immigration debate? do you think that it's far too difficult to have a reasonable discussion ? because i reasonable discussion? because i think it does happen quite a lot that it think it does happen quite a lot thatitis think it does happen quite a lot that it is those on the left who wish to shut down the discussion when it comes to these controversial issues. d0 when it comes to these controversial issues. do you think that's true? >> completely >> i think that's completely untrue. left . i have untrue. i'm on the left. i have been i'm an advocate for immigration and i find , oh, this immigration and i find, oh, this is a topic that in british politics we talk about endlessly. i have talked about know you know on loop for over a decade. and what you will rarely

find are people who make a for case immigration. you will find people who have varying levels of control or an and reduction. and certainly when i've talked on this show, certainly, but in other contexts, just being accused of wanting blithely, you know , your as your colleague know, your as your colleague said, albie, just being accused of just wanting open borders is hard to have an open discussion in a nuanced discussion . but in a nuanced discussion. but it's not just from the left . it's not just from the left. it's from the right as well. there needs to be sort of a stable and calm , a space in the stable and calm, a space in the middle where this can be discussed. >> so, atul, how do we create that calmer space where there is that calmer space where there is that level for nuance where one side doesn't shout open borders and the other side doesn't shout racist ? right. racist? right. >> well, i think this is a good example, actually , and i think example, actually, and i think it's part of it is in terms of the question and the moderation and just being and having that open discussion, because i think

one, the part of the challenge here is the framing. so yes, 745,000 is a big number, but it is trending down and in the next few years, i think the migration observatory , it's a crazy number. >> come on. >>- >> come on. >> but but in the coming years, as as conservative mp michael fabncant as as conservative mp michael fabricant said , as the students fabricant said, as the students begin leave the migration begin to leave and the migration observatory oxford of is observatory at oxford sort of is suggesting we'll probably have an of 300,000 new an equilibrium of 300,000 new students will arrive. >> i don't >> this is what i don't understand, because not understand, because it's not going that first going to because that first cohort leave. cohort of students will leave. >> arrived >> so the students arrived three years immediately after years ago. immediately after covid. years ago. immediately after covm. they years ago. immediately after covid. they their courses covid. they do their courses three, four years, and then that first leaves and then first cohort leaves and then sort of some more will arrive. but the migration observatory is saying that we're roughly heading towards a net migration figure of annually of 300,000, which material, let's which is still material, let's be , but it's not 700. be honest, but it's not 700. >> do you think it's reason able to still talk in terms of theresa may and david cameron in 2010 is tens of thousands of reasonable or desired able? >> mark littlewood well, it is tens of thousands. it's just 72,

tens of thousands. it's just 72, tens of thousands , right? tens of thousands, right? >> oh, very good. >> oh, very good. >> so and i do think there is rather too much focus on the numbers. i totally get that for news. you've got to report the numbers. but i'm rather with atul here. let's dig into what the type of is here. i mean , if the type of is here. i mean, if we're going to be worried about the population going up 1% per annum because of immigration, then when are we going to start having discussions about, i don't birth rate in don't know, the birth rate in the uk? is there some birth rate that too high or is the that would be too high or is the birth too low? all of these birth rate too low? all of these are population not just are population numbers, not just immigration, right? i think not everybody's people everybody's having people would say is too say that the birth rate is too low. well, that might be a reason you higher reason why you need higher immigration keep the immigration then to keep the population right if population stable. right if you're having two kids per you're not having two kids per woman. so you know, and i think we've got to get away from the idea that somebody can work out what the exact optimal population of the united kingdom is. clearly, you don't want it to suddenly halve or suddenly double that would shock. double that would be a shock. >> completely . one of

>> i agree completely. one of the i fascinating, the things i find fascinating, we've had 13 years of conservative one of conservative government, one of the things that the government has is, sort of is has done is, is the sort of is the shortage occupation list. this idea that whitehall can accurately predict the number of pharmacists that are required. ludicrous in manchester where that's just i think it's this is the one area of unreconstructed central planning we have in our economy. >> but they're expected to know how many new roads we need, how many new rail. >> they don't do that very well enhen >> they don't do that very well either, how new hospitals either, how many new hospitals we so failing both of >> so they're failing on both of those. there we go. those. but there we go. >> i wonder if we should >> yeah. i wonder if we should talk another issue now , talk about another issue now, because as important, though, migration it does in to migration is, it does fit in to so many other issues. and the autumn statement was yesterday . autumn statement was yesterday. the obr did have some things to say about migration, but more widely , this issue of tax and widely, this issue of tax and spend. widely, this issue of tax and spend . and we have the spend. and we have the chancellor claiming he's delivered the biggest tax cut in the history of the united kingdom . and you have the kingdom. and you have the opposition saying that the tax burden is actually rising at

all. who's telling the truth ? all. who's telling the truth? >> i think it's if we look at it from the perspective of the general public, they may not they may very few people understand the nuance . understand the nuance. >> and i certainly i'm really sorry interrupt have sorry to interrupt you. we have some news that we must sorry to interrupt you. we have sorto news that we must sorry to interrupt you. we have sorto now news that we must sorry to interrupt you. we have sorto now . news that we must sorry to interrupt you. we have sorto now . uh, iews that we must sorry to interrupt you. we have sorto now . uh, let'sthat we must sorry to interrupt you. we have sorto now . uh, let's haveive must sorry to interrupt you. we have sorto now . uh, let's have a must sorry to interrupt you. we have sorto now . uh, let's have a look.t go to now. uh, let's have a look at that breaking news. >> mark white for us, i believe . >> mark white for us, i believe. >> mark white for us, i believe. >> yes. reports coming in of a stabbing in dublin. it's happenedin stabbing in dublin. it's happened in the city centre near parnell square east and involving , we understand, some involving, we understand, some schoolchildren. we're getting reports that at least three schoolchildren have been taken to hospital for treatment . eight to hospital for treatment. eight a man is also being treated at the scene. this coming from the irish media, including adding rta, the national broadcaster , rta, the national broadcaster, to they're reporting this incident. it happened only just about 40, 45 minutes ago that area in central dublin has been sealed off as the police deal

with this unfolding incident at this stage, no indication of what exactly sparked this incident. of course , people incident. of course, people anytime they hear about multiple stabbings , attention turns to stabbings, attention turns to the potential role of a terrorist attack. but there is nothing to indicate that that is this the case at this stage? we await the details from the gardai, the irish police , as to gardai, the irish police, as to what exactly has unfold here, but it's a very worrying development since apparently the incident happened not far from a girls school in that area in parnell square, east. so the information that we have at the moment from the media in ireland , from quoting the police and the other authorities in dublin, is that three children have been taken to hospital all following this stabbing incident. there is no indication yet out on their

conditions and a man was seen being treated on the pavement around the scene of this stabbing incident by paramedics and police officers . and police officers. >> well, mark, thank you very much for bringing us that disturbing news out of dublin. at least four people injured in this attack, as we should say , this attack, as we should say, and no yet indication that this of whatever the motivation for this immediate attack was. but, mark, we will be back with you as you get more information on this developing story. now as you get more information on this developing story . now let's this developing story. now let's turn to our panel now for reaction to this, because as it does seem that many people feel like these islands are becoming less safe. >> yes, i think and they're probably right in that judgement , i would think. i mean, obviously horrific incidents like this always grab the headlines. you know, it is still the case that the chance that you're going to be stabbed or murdered is low. but people obviously , even if it's low obviously, even if it's low risk, it's horrifically high

hazard. and you know, without wanting to just jump on the anti—woke band wagon, i do worry that our police force and our at least as interested in ticking boxes and paperwork and various other targets rather than just stopping and deterring crime . i stopping and deterring crime. i don't really blame the police on the beat for that. but their absolute focus must be deterring crime and capturing criminals. and i think there's a bit too much in their ambit which distracts them from that in terms of how they're seen, how they're presented and the rest of should back to a of it, we should get back to a bit fashioned policing. bit more old fashioned policing. i . i think. >> p- e think this will >> atoll do you think this will be a dividing line between the labour and the labour party and the conservatives? party conservatives? the labour party have a lot about crime have spoken a lot about crime point , have spoken a lot about crime point, pointing out that unfortunately across a lot of, many britain is getting many metrics, britain is getting less safe . less safe. >> i think it absolutely will be. i don't think it will be necessarily through the lens of woke. i think it will just be straightforward resources. there aren't police officers on aren't enough police officers on the beat. are. and there

the beat. there are. and there isn't. and the legal system is sufficiently mired in bureaucracy. and again , the bureaucracy. and again, the underfunding that, you know, as you know, the staggering statistics where, you know, 99, there are 90, 99% of people are of offenders, aren't convicted for things like rape . it'sjust for things like rape. it's just a you know , those that will be a you know, those that will be the terrain on where we don't have enough police, we don't have enough police, we don't have enough police, we don't have enough pace in our justice have enough pace in ourjustice system . and justice isn't being system. and justice isn't being served . and i and i think that, served. and i and i think that, you know, to be honest, it's actually not too dissimilar to our recall as a dividing line in the 90s when the when the labor party last one came from opposition and their famous line, tough on tough on line, tough on crime, tough on the of crime, but no , it the causes of crime, but no, it is fascinating and disturbing whenever in surrounding countries or indeed in this country too, there is an incident like this, no doubt there political ill there is political ill reverberation and reaction to issues like this. >> of course, we'll keep you updated as we get more information. but that's been it for us on. good afternoon,

britain on this afternoon. we'll see you again tomorrow afternoon from midday . from midday. >> hello again. welcome to your latest gb news weather update from the met office. we'll remain windy for many areas through the rest of today, but there'll be a spell of rain marking the change to some colder weather through the next 24 hours or so. for many of us, that spell rain will be that spell of rain will be brought cold front. it's brought by this cold front. it's slowly sinking southwards and behind that's we've behind it, that's when we've got the air being the much colder air being introduced. so some for introduced. so some rain for a time across central areas this afternoon into the afternoon and then into the south evening. south through this evening. further north, fairly dry for many, rather cloudy. there many, but rather cloudy. there will be some snow showers across the hills scotland and some the hills of scotland and some icy and very windy conditions across the isles as across the shetland isles as well through the evening. we'll see temperatures lower than last night. so a chillier start tomorrow morning, but frost will be fairly limited because of that strengthening breeze, but it will be a very chilly day through friday for the bulk of the uk away from the far south—west. so temperatures here will still fall through the day.

there'll be a bit more sunshine on though, through on offer though, through friday. plenty through plenty of sunshine up through scotland, england, scotland, northern england, central of england as central areas of england as well. little cloudier in the well. a little cloudier in the far southwest where we're holding to that slightly holding on to that slightly milder air through into the afternoon on friday and then through saturday with clear spells. it'll be a very frosty start, potentially as low as minus eight to start on saturday morning . but again, plenty of morning. but again, plenty of crisp or autumnal sunshine across the uk through saturday. there'll be another frosty start on sunday, but rain will arrive from the west, giving us a more unsettled start to

>> good afternoon. welcome to the show . the show. >> i'm martin is 3 pm. i'm keeping you company for the next three hours loads on today's show. top story can only be net migrant nightmare for the government as it rockets through 672,000 turned into the uk. is this the end of the tories? is it the final coffin nail? well, i'll put that to sir john redwood in about 15 minutes time next story. energy price, misery yesterday, some good news from the chancellor. >> a 2% national insurance. >> a 2% national insurance. >> but today ofgem cranking up their energy rates to an average of £1,928 a year. >> if you put your heating on yet. my kids are in scarves and hats. >> and finally , a shock surprise >> and finally, a shock surprise election victory for geert

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