doron, were released and mother, doron, were released and reunited with yoni asher on friday. in the first stage of the israel hamas deal, 24 hostages were freed in total yesterday, 13 israelis and ii yesterday, 13 israelis and 11 thai nationals. doctors say they've been responding well to medical treatment . the met medical treatment. the met police has arrested 18 people dunng police has arrested 18 people during pro—palestinian protests in london. five on suspicion of inciting or distributing material likely to stir up racial hatred. and two, on suspicion of supporting a proscribed terrorist organisation . the arrests took organisation. the arrests took place as tens of thousands of people marched through central london calling for a ceasefire . london calling for a ceasefire. police handed out leaflets to provide absolute clarity on what will be deemed an offence . the will be deemed an offence. the former police officer convicted of murdering george floyd needed life saving treatment after he was stabbed at a prison in arizona . derek chauvin survived arizona. derek chauvin survived the attack by another inmate but was rushed to hospital and has

been left seriously injured. it comes days after the supreme court rejected his appeal. the 47 year old argued he hadn't received a fair trial. mr chauvin is currently serving multiple sentences for george floyd's death in 2020, which led to widespread protests against police brutality and racism. with us is gb news. we're live across the uk. that's it for the moment. now it is time for headliners . headliners. >> hello and welcome to headliners . >> hello and welcome to headliners. i'm stephen allen. joining me tonight are two top comedians and our very own migrant crisis. it's louis schaefer and nicholas de santos. >> gentlemen , we are surely the >> gentlemen, we are surely the best dressed line—up that you get on this gig, isn't it.7 >> well, speaking for myself , it >> well, speaking for myself, it doesn't happen to get three ties on headliners nowadays . on headliners nowadays. >> you know, things have gone a

bit down south. the old trend wise . wise. >> the standards are sleeping well . was that the slipping? well. was that the slipping? they're getting better and better people. >> first came on the >> when i first came on the show, it was the only one to wear show, it was the only one to weil don't think true. >> i don't think that's true. i think i've always worn a tie. it hides the food stains. this hides all the food stains. this is beauty a tie, isn't is the beauty of a tie, isn't it? about it? why do we talk about waistcoats? also hide your moobs anyway, that's not what a tie is for. >> tie is an arrow pointing . >> a tie is an arrow pointing. >> a tie is an arrow pointing. >> let's move on to take a >> well, let's move on to take a look at sunday's front pages. >> the sunday times goes with they thought they were about to be executed. then freedom. more on that story as we go through the front to the sunday the front pages to the sunday mirror . my the front pages to the sunday mirror. my darling is mirror. my darling girl is broken , but in one piece, the broken, but in one piece, the front page of the sunday telegraph crack down on telegraph says crack down on charities that host extreme lists. the sunday express , stop lists. the sunday express, stop small boats, all were sunk . and small boats, all were sunk. and the observer says hostage deal on course after hamas delay prompts crisis to the daily star. haunted by a cigar smoking ghost of jimmy savile. and those were your front pages . guess

were your front pages. guess we're not going to start with the star, but let's start with the star, but let's start with the observer . what the star, but let's start with the observer. what are the star, but let's start with the observer . what are they the observer. what are they leading with, louis? well, the observer or the guardian? >> i don't why have >> i don't know why they have to. different names for the same newspaper, know newspaper, but. and i don't know why publish on sunday. newspaper, but. and i don't know why are publish on sunday. newspaper, but. and i don't know why are they publish on sunday. newspaper, but. and i don't know why are they doingh on sunday. newspaper, but. and i don't know why are they doing forn sunday. newspaper, but. and i don't know why are they doing forn slresty. what are they doing for the rest of the week? but it's the tax fatal. >> is that what you're saying? >> is that what you're saying? >> it could be. or they're lazy. it's just these are the lazy. the lazy. >> observing. p" >> they're observing. the clue's in . in the title. >> they're watching. they're watching anyway okay. watching the week. anyway okay. what? a hostage deal on what? this is a hostage deal on course hamas , delay course after hamas, delay prompts crisis and this is this is about how the qataris and the egyptians are mediating with the israelis and the hamas people to get people out. they've gotten some people out, but there are still 200 people who aren't out and there was a bit of a delay. and. i speaking as if i don't

think what israel is doing is right by doing this. i don't know what benefit. but they're under probably under lot of under probably under a lot of pressure from international sources . soufces. >> sources. >> well, the other options, though, refusing to take back offered hostages that would play badly . badly. >> it would play badly, but you say give us back all the hostages or none. and i remember and i remember, but i remember in world war ii, stalin's kid was was a soldier as a young kid, whatever. he was captured by the nazis . and they called by the nazis. and they called him up and they said to stalin, do you want your kid back? and he said, no, kill him. and it's a horrible thing . a horrible thing. >> i might say more about their family. i mean, we don't really know, you know , how well they know, you know, how well they were getting on the time . were getting on at the time. >> this is what israelis do, >> this is what the israelis do, which is they give away pay thousands for a few hostages, which just promotes this bad behaviour. it promotes it promotes aggression. >> nicholas, you will take on on the story in general and then also , you know. also, you know. >> well, i understand because

here we are seeing the difference between two powers or two governments. one of which really cares about human life. and it's and its citizens. and no wonder israelis are continuously called upon to also take care of palestinian civilians . and i think they do. civilians. and i think they do. and again , as lewis was and again, as lewis was suggesting, the numbers are not balanced so far. more israelis are released for hamas. sorry far fewer israelis are released or demanded for in exchange for palestinian prisoners. it all exchanges with gilad shalit, an israeli soldier , a few years israeli soldier, a few years ago. he was in captivity for a few years and eventually he was exchanged for more than a thousand. just one man, more than 1000 palestinian prisoners . than 1000 palestinian prisoners. now, in this case, it gets because as as we were discussing, it's being done in stages. and towards the latter stages. and towards the latter stages. they've just started with civilians, foreign nationals . and when it gets to nationals. and when it gets to israeli soldiers , we will see if

israeli soldiers, we will see if hamas will be willing to get rid of to let go of those as well or not. and also because they will know that once they've given all the hostages, they are toast. yeah there's carpet bombing for them and something was said. >> interesting was that >> what was interesting was that the are going into the the israelis are going into the west bank and they're arresting everybody in the west. a lot of people in the west bank and then shipping them to the gaza, which is like , i guess the east bank, is like, i guess the east bank, whatever . and it could go is like, i guess the east bank, whatever. and it could go on forever where it's none of my business. i'm it's not i mean, l, business. i'm it's not i mean, i, i want to say it's like with children , you have a child, you children, you have a child, you have a child . sometimes you've have a child. sometimes you've got to have tough love. you got to say, i'm sorry. got to have tough love. you got to say, i'm sorry . you know, you to say, i'm sorry. you know, you you can't you can't do what you're going to do, even though it breaks my heart not to let you. what i like about this is it's a game where got it's a game where we've got about starts about 15 different starts of sentences and you can them sentences and you can fill them in home. in at home. >> what you think lewis was

>> see what you think lewis was going you know. yeah going to go, you know. yeah let's on nicholas, let's move on now. nicholas, what's front of the what's the front cover of the sunday telegraph doing? what's the front cover of the surwell,elegraph doing? what's the front cover of the surwell, oneraph doing? what's the front cover of the surwell, one you doing? what's the front cover of the surwell, one you mentioned was >> well, one you mentioned was cracked down on charities that hosts extremists, but the other one, our producers have favoured is at the bottom of the page . is at the bottom of the page. gchq investigates cyber attack on royal family hospital. so this is king edward, the seventh hospital in london. apparently the first port of call for the royal family it has treated the late queen elizabeth in the past. the late prince philip, and still royals go to this hospital when they need treatment and now their data bank has been breached . another bank has been breached. another hacking story at gchq, which is uk's security agency , is uk's security agency, is primarily in charge of telecommunication nation and cyber security is investigating. they don't know who is behind it. russia has have had several attacks , according to national attacks, according to national cyber security centre iran. iranian islamic revolutionary

guards have attacked some vulnerabilities . they say as vulnerabilities. they say as well. we don't know who is behind this. what we know is that the hospital officials have assured everyone that the royal families medical data have been saved. >> is that the thing that worries you? oh, no. what no one gets what worries me is that some non—royals are going to probably receive some emails from a nigerian prince or unsolicited calls from russians or iranian revolutionary guards. yeah, there's going to be safe. it wasn't that long ago that the nhs was still using windows xp machines . yeah. machines. yeah. >> which is totally uncrackable. or is it? no, i have to ask you, steve, what do you think the gchq hq is going to gain by releasing this information that's the question. >> well, it certainly made me ponder what would be the information released by the royals. and i was imagining, you know, the story of some ancient vase that was accidental sat

upon while cleaning. that's the kind of story you'd want from normally as dr. we're going to get it. but i know so nefesh obvious reason to. why would they watch out ? out? >> why would they even say it? why would they say we think there's a breach? if you say that afterwards there's been a breach. sorry you don't go breach. we're sorry you don't go beforehand. been beforehand. there's been a breach. people are to breach. now people are going to be looking breach or be looking for this breach or maybe breach . but maybe there is no breach. but they say there's a rumour of a i think this is this is a non—story , a non—story by my non—story, a non—story by my cup, not qvc yet. >> we're not selling stuff yet. so what are the sunday express leading with louis? >> sunday express is leading with with an exclusive polling by we think it says stop small boats or we're sunk. by we think it says stop small boats or we're sunk . and i boats or we're sunk. and i couldn't find the data on this. it didn't include it in this article. it's one of those fantastic articles that, you know, has a headline and then you look for you look for the date polling data, which says, how do they about the small how do they feel about the small

boats? that they boats? the only thing that they say the small boats is say about the small boats is that people don't think the that most people don't think the rwanda thing is going be rwanda thing is going to be solved. it's not going solved. 57% think it's not going to be solved by the boats . it's to be solved by the boats. it's not going to be solved by sending them to rwanda . but it sending them to rwanda. but it also said that people favour tax cuts . by 48. so it says people cuts. by 48. so it says people like tax cuts, but then the then in an earlier the article before war says that even after all this labour is up three percentage points and the tories are down by one percentage point. >> so even after the imagine how many tax cuts we're going have to get before an election, then yeah, it's going to be fun times. nicholas is this is you're about the polling you're right about the polling data it's just an opinion snapshot. always argue snapshot. people always argue about things, rishi snapshot. people always argue ab0|set things, rishi snapshot. people always argue ab0|set himself1gs, rishi snapshot. people always argue ab0|set himself as, rishi snapshot. people always argue ab0|set himself a bit rishi snapshot. people always argue ab0|set himself a bit of rishi snapshot. people always argue ab0|set himself a bit of ashi has set himself a bit of a problem, hasn't he? spent ages with his five pillars? his five priorities. he repeats them. he asking what he wants for breakfast. them all and breakfast. he list them all and one stop the boats, one of them is stop the boats, not reduce boats. he's

not reduce the boats. not he's giving catchphrase giving himself a catchphrase it'll never succeed in. >> was that's a key concern >> that was that's a key concern of the electorate . but it's of the electorate. but it's a huge issue . it has become a huge issue. it has become a question of potentially embarrassing. it's a question of national pride, national sovereignty. i mean , a country, sovereignty. i mean, a country, for heaven's sake , is defined by for heaven's sake, is defined by its borders and the capacity to control and protect one's borders and it was in their manifesto, although rishi sunak was not the prime minister or even the prime minister candidate, who who promised it. and even a bigger and now to give it even a bigger international dimension . you international dimension. you know, this week we had a new president in argentina, the eccentric libertarian anti—left eccentric libertarian anti —left mill who eccentric libertarian anti—left mill who sent shockwaves. among other things, he has claimed that argentina has a has an unquestionable sovereignty claim to the falklands . now imagine if to the falklands. now imagine if rishi doesn't manage to stop these boats, then mr miller might have another go for falklands. but this time coming through, you know, second hand dinghies using second—hand dinghies using second—hand dinghies , and they might have a dinghies, and they might have a chance because they've clearly

seen to stop seen that we are unable to stop them. stop the boats or, or them. so stop the boats or, or we are going to be in trouble on multiple fronts. okay >> i just that >> can i just say that that actually a actually if that's actually a brilliant . well, they've brilliant idea. well, they've got to do is send people over. what if britain what are we what if britain can't defend our home? our home island, this home island ? how island, this home island? how can they defend something that's 5000 miles away when it makes sense to louis schaefer at this time of night? >> always if he's >> it's always good if he's flattered and finally, the daily star, nicholas, good luck with this one. >> it's again my turn to deal >> so it's again my turn to deal with the wacky headline of the day. now, last week i was here the boffins wanted to try to revive mammoths. this one is even scarier. hunt it by cigar smoking ghost of jimmy savile. so i don't want to make light of this story. it's kind of hard to do it anyway, but this lady who used to who did visit jimmy savile as a as a younger girl, i suppose has recurrent nightmares of visits by jimmy savile so a bit of a but she doesn't just

think it's dreams. >> otherwise that would be one story. i have nightmares about jimmy savile but she thinks it's actually because actually a ghost because she wakes smell the cigar wakes up and can smell the cigar smoke. multi—sensorial smoke. it's a multi—sensorial nightmare. yeah, well, she's a lot. she's one of them. is a smoked or , you know, or smoked cheese or, you know, or it's a health and safety question. >> so it's not just about, you know, smelling smoke know, maybe she's smelling smoke and bad for second hand and it's bad for second hand smoke. it's horrible shaker boiler smoke and waking up thinking it must be jemmy savile's ghost. >> oh, well, so that's the front pages nazi pages done. still to come, nazi symbols trump. but symbols and dutch trump. but plot story

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headliners. >> i'm stephen alan lewis schaefer and nicholas de santos. still haven't had better offers, so they're still here. let's go to the sun on sunday. louis and people previously said, what do you have to do to get arrested at these protests? well, good news. >> we found out. yeah, police line the streets as thousands descend on capital and pro—palestine march cops pro—palestine in march as cops arrest a man over nazi symbol and that's that's what i guess , and that's that's what i guess, you know, they arrested two people for symbol violation and you know, i'm a i'm a free speech libertarian. so i'm not sure that i think they should arrest people for this. i think arrest people for this. i think a lot of the problems that we've gotten into is because we haven't allowed people to express themselves. so there's a lot of suppressed feelings out there. on the other hand, on the other hand, it's horrible stuff . other hand, it's horrible stuff. and so there are two people arrested and the parade with

tens of thousands of people there. i don't know how many people were there. they should give the numbers give numbers are the numbers going up they going down? going up or are they going down? do ? how you do you know? how do you know? i don't know. the number of people attending demonstration . attending the demonstration. yeah. no, that . arrested yeah. oh, no, not that. arrested the people at the the number of people at the pro—palestine demonstration . pro—palestine demonstration. >> it looks like it. well, i imagine from what i was reading, i've not checked. this one peaked at the one that was big and suella talked and famous and suella talked about armistice. and famous and suella talked aboarmisticetice. yeah, right . >> armistice day. yeah, right. nicholas, take on this ? nicholas, your take on this? >> apparently >> well, it's apparently becoming a weekly appointment . i becoming a weekly appointment. i don't know. i don't think maybe i disagree with lewis on this. i don't think there's a shortage of pro—palestinian or anti—israeli sentiments. we feel them and we hear them all over them and we hear them all over the place on the roads from hollywood's celebrity and other personalities and labour mps and dissidents . and they keep asking dissidents. and they keep asking for a ceasefire. i mean , have for a ceasefire. i mean, have they forgotten britain is not in charge of the mandate of palestine anymore? so. so what are they talking about ? israel

are they talking about? israel has made up its mind. i think it's if you want a ceasefire, there a ceasefire the there was a ceasefire from the time gaza in 2006. time israel left gaza in 2006. if i'm not wrong or 16, i think it's also he's even more laughable that the labour party are ripping themselves apart. >> so it's not even as if it's the uk prime minister would have would be calling for a ceasefire. this is the leader of the opposition might not say it, but netanyahu is but as if as if netanyahu is going like, what's that we going to be like, what's that we weren't do? the guy weren't going to do? but the guy who party that's who leads the party that's famous anti—semitism, what's famous for anti—semitism, what's he listen to him. >> but the point is that he >> but the point is that guy, he doesn't starmer , he doesn't doesn't starmer, he doesn't care because he's he's got 42 points versus versus the tories at 26 points. so he can actually afford to basically lose a few, to lose a few. and that's a lot of few. the, the, the muslim vote for labour is quite large and that's and basically that's that's the position that he's in. yeah. >> and the calculated risk is would those votes move across to the conservatives. unlikely so

you could afford to lose there. let's the sunday let's move on to the sunday telegraph. more telegraph. nicholas and more strife starmer. we're strife for keir starmer. we're back strife for keir starmer. we're bacyeah it's well, we were just >> yeah it's well, we were just talking about this labour councillor who quit over backlash against party's gaza stance wins back seat wins back seat as independent. so this was sophia naqvi from the ward of plaistow north. it's an east london ward in the council, newham council. she was furious when keir starmer said she he wouldn't ask for a ceasefire or pressure israel for ceasefire. she also say and yeah, yeah , she also say and yeah, yeah, apparently i didn't listen to this interview on lbc myself, but apparently keir starmer has also said allegedly that israel has a right to cut off electricity and to water gaza. well, i presume to northern gaza , because israel was was encouraging or was demanding, advising all inhabitants of northern gaza to move south

because operations started from the north. and i don't recall all any other conflict in the world when one of the two belligerent parts is supposed to provide the other side with electricity and water. i mean , electricity and water. i mean, although normally you're not in charge of the electricity and water, it's an unusual circumstance, isn't well, it circumstance, isn't it? well, it is an unusual circumstance. and i the compromise was i think the compromise was telling them to move south because the operation was starting from the north. so, again, if we want to put ourselves in israelis shoes , ourselves in israelis shoes, what supposed to do? what are they supposed to do? because in a way, they have been taken hostage. there is a territory they have left the territory they have left it. the territory they have left it. the territory autonomous. they territory is autonomous. they have hamas . even if have voted for hamas. even if israel to negotiate peace israel were to negotiate peace with them, recognise statehood. they don't recognise israel . so they don't recognise israel. so what are they supposed to do? but to get back to our point , we but to get back to our point, we have labour councillors leaving and this is not this is just one of two cases and maybe keir starmer can afford to lose a few . but at the end of the day they

are the cause of their own trouble . maybe it's not a big trouble. maybe it's not a big trouble. maybe it's not a big trouble right now because conservatives are so yeah , conservatives are so yeah, because when you import your own future electors or voters, people who are very diverse and very diverse with you in terms of your values, then you have to pander to them and then you have to it into consideration. to take it into consideration. their their demands labour their their demands and labour has a big block of muslims voting for them. and this thing will only get more pronounced in the i i am really upset the future. i i am really upset that that nicholas has far better grasp of the english language than i than i do. >> and it's embarrassing me with pander and all these words upset but not surprised . but not surprised. >> yeah. yeah. we need to move on for some reason because we cover the keir starmer thing. sunday mirror lewis more on the terrible news of the events in ireland. >> yeah, these are big news and it's not on the front page. and this is, i think, the biggest news. the dublin stabbing suspect kids suspect who attacked school kids in court on a knife charge five years he had a knife . he years ago. he had a knife. he didn't five years

didn't knife anybody five years ago. and ago. and this is in dublin and they're not they're not saying whether he's terrorist or not. whether he's a terrorist or not. they do say he comes from algeria and this and they're calling the people who rioted and you shouldn't riot, obviously. the you know , obviously. but but the you know, the interveners are not here's the interveners are not here's the thing that this is happening around the world. it's the war that's going on. there's two wars, three wars going on, two wars. the first war is this war is that the people of the local people feel put upon by mass immigrants and let's say team world, this is the home team of ireland. they feel, you know, what are we chopped liver living here? this is our country, which is irish. ironic because there are like 5 million irish people who moved over to america and the irish people are one of the largest immigrant groups in the world for a couple of hundred years. i mean, i don't know if they're still one of the

largest. >> they moved legally and respecting the country that they host host. host the host. >> what a >> you know what a case could be made. and thought made. i moved and i thought i was respecting country. but was respecting the country. but people problems. was respecting the country. but peowe problems. was respecting the country. but peowe tweet problems. was respecting the country. but peowe tweet you )lems. was respecting the country. but peowe tweet you about that . >> we all tweet you about that. yeah.i >> we all tweet you about that. yeah. i mean, it's one of these stories where you can acknowledge that there is nuance. bad on both nuance. there's bad on both sides. you should protest , nuance. there's bad on both sides. you should protest, you shouldn't riot, but you also you shouldn't riot, but you also you should talk about the crime of someone who stabbed someone. don't hide this from that. >> exactly. and somebody is >> exactly. and if somebody is outraged because of because they saw school kids got saw little school kids got stabbed, they shouldn't be. hopefully be branded right wing extremists by by the irish prime minister and the funny thing, if you want to find the funny in this, is that the irish prime minister leo varadkar, reminds added the public that okay, yes , added the public that okay, yes, the attacker was a foreigner or originally a foreigner, but people who tried to neutralise him, some of them were also foreigners . so it tells you a foreigners. so it tells you a lot the low expectations of the foreigners . yeah, some foreigners. yeah, some foreigners. yeah, some foreigners actually don't want

to see little kids stabbed to death. >> but i've got to move on timewise. the observer, nicholas, and why people are turning to the dutch trump which sounds a way breaking sounds like a way of breaking wind in bed, but isn't no, it is not. >> they feel the they feel they're being neglected . why they're being neglected. why voters turn to dutch trump hurt wilders . now the italian proverb wilders. now the italian proverb says is the observer here has discovered the hot water like yeah , the left or the main . yeah, the left or the main. parties have neglected their voters. like when you discover something that is quite, quite obvious, obvious lately, especially the left , but also especially the left, but also other mainstream parties to a lesser extent, they have betrayed their electorate. they have gone for globalism. the leftist parties who used to defend the workers rights, they went for critical race theory and intersectionality . and and intersectionality. and feminism and lgbt and a lot of people feel disenfranchised. i mean, these are all whether you talk about italy or france or germany or britain, all the

germany or britain, it's all the same, ireland, except that same, or ireland, except that sometimes a party like sometimes you have a party like geert wilders, who has been there holding the trenches constantly at 10 to 15 to 20. okay. and in some countries, like like the uk, we don't have that kind of party. we have ukip, who is maybe strong enough to a referendum, but not to get us a referendum, but not all the time. and then there's , all the time. and then there's, you know, ups and downs. so now geert wilders is the surprise of the week together with meal of argentina . the question is argentina. the question is whether he will be able to get enough coalition partners to reach that magical number of 50% plus one. >> oh, louis, reading the article already, as soon as there was a whiff of chance there was a whiff of the chance of being involved sort of being involved in some sort of being involved in some sort of sudden of power, all of a sudden things started bit more started to become a bit more moderate. said the moderate. he actually said the policies about trying policies they had about trying to , that's gone. to ban mosques, that's gone. don't that. maybe don't worry about that. so maybe he's milder. don't worry about that. so maybe he"well, milder. don't worry about that. so maybe he"well, i milder. don't worry about that. so maybe he"well, i think der. don't worry about that. so maybe he"well, i think because of the >> well, i think because of the political system there , and i'm political system there, and i'm not sure and i'm really not so sure and i'm really offended correctly he offended by how correctly he pronounces think correctly pronounces or i think correctly you name, you pronounce the guy's name, which is basically language which is basically that language is unpronounceable , is back to

is unpronounceable, is back to the story is because of their political system which is not first past the post as it is in this country . okay. then they this country. okay. then they have to make a deal with each other, like the way it used to be in italy, where you have in order to form a government, you had to get other. >> it still is. yeah. >> so it still is. yeah. >> so it still is. yeah. >> saying basically >> so he's saying he's basically saying the other potential saying to the other potential coalition partners, join us, we won't be as bad as you think we are. and that's what he has to do. am i right about that? >> yeah. they have to prioritise their policies to get at least >> yeah. they have to prioritise theiicoalition to get at least >> yeah. they have to prioritise theiicoalition partner.t least >> yeah. they have to prioritise theiicoalition partner. yeaht >> yeah. they have to prioritise theiicoalition partner. yeah you one coalition partner. yeah you get consensus that represents the . the nation. >> maybe because not >> maybe because it's not a parliamentary system. >> let's crack on to the observer and people observer, louis and people on the saying worrying the internet are saying worrying things about vaccines. how long each day do you spend posting your thoughts on facebook ? your thoughts on facebook? >> spend a lot of time >> i used to spend a lot of time and then i stopped because i just were hating just thought people were hating on of the reasons on me. it was one of the reasons why they hated me. no, on me. it was one of the reasons whyno ey hated me. no, on me. it was one of the reasons whyno .y hated me. no, on me. it was one of the reasons whyno . avoidd me. no, on me. it was one of the reasons whyno . avoid them ne. no, on me. it was one of the reasons whyno . avoid them all. no, on me. it was one of the reasons whyno . avoid them all. that's, no, no. avoid them all. that's what somebody wrote on the that's the headline. but

somebody wrote that in in a in a in a website anti—vaccine conspiracy spread as uk cases of measles increase . and this is a measles increase. and this is a very long article by the observer basically saying that anybody who question these vaccines and the medical narrative of are are not well educated. >> quick question . do you like >> quick question. do you like the idea of a measles vaccine . the idea of a measles vaccine. >> i the answer is it's not my place to know. >> it's your place to express your opinion about your thoughts . don't tell other people what my thought is, is, is the answer is i don't even believe in the measles virus. >> okay. okay i would. i wouldn't take if i had my kids today. wouldn't take if i had my kids today . okay. i would not get today. okay. i would not get them. i would ask my wife not to not to vaccinate nicholas. >> i interviewed a doctor once who said the problem people who said the problem is people are we're two are no longer we're two generations away from people being who being related to relatives who died or went blind due to measles and that's why we don't

think about it anymore. >> well, i'd say people are growing, especially parents growing, especially parents growing sceptical over vaccines . growing sceptical over vaccines. i say, who's fault is that? who's fault is that? for two years they impose a lockdown on us. first they said billions of people to die. then people are going to die. then they take two doses. they said, take two doses. you'll christmas . then they you'll have christmas. then they said, happening said, no, no, it was happening before covid, though. it was happening. have happening. but now, now we have quite a bit of proof, you know, vaccine with covid, they discredited other vaccines, like more legitimate vaccines, if you like, as well, to quote my one of my favourite comedians, alistair williams, he says, yeah, my uncle has had covid 15 times and every time he says, oh, for vaccine, oh, thank god for that vaccine, phew, i hadn't had that phew, if i hadn't had that vaccine, you the vaccine vaccine, you know, the vaccine that in car parks that they give you in car parks and does nothing, it and then does nothing, it doesn't stop you from transmitting. it doesn't stop you catching it. so we got you from catching it. so we got to move on. >> belief you should quest don't to move on. >> ihave: you should quest don't to move on. >> ihave to,u should quest don't to move on. >> ihave to, like,�*uld quest don't to move on. >> ihave to, like, put quest don't to move on. >> ihave to, like, put balance?1't to move on. >> because like, put balance?1't to move on. >> because we're out balance?1't to move on. >> because we're aboutlance?1't no, because we're about three minutes and minutes over speed up and we question we're question we're halfway we're past the halfway point. >> is technically quicker >> so it is technically quicker to the end go to watch to the end than go to back all the back. still to back all the way back. still to come, misogyny and a lack of

respect for authority. yep louis is staying with us, but there'll also that. also be stories about that. we'll

news radio. >> welcome back to headliners to the independent nicholas and starmer is going to protect women from violence inserted joke about him not knowing what one is. oh, i think we're meant to that in. what have you to fill that in. what have you got for us? >> personal mission to >> starmer's personal mission to tackle women >> starmer's personal mission to tackgirls women >> starmer's personal mission to tackgirls for women >> starmer's personal mission to tackgirls for his women >> starmer's personal mission to tackgirls for his daughter. men >> starmer's personal mission to tackgirls for his daughter. now and girls for his daughter. now starmer has made this a personal issue by mentioning his teenage

daughter, who is going through high school. he wants he says he wants her to live in a safer society, feel safe going heavily after the conservative government for not having done enoughin government for not having done enough in the 13 years they have beenin enough in the 13 years they have been in power , depleting police been in power, depleting police forces. a lot of criminals are repeat criminals, which is which is the same all over the world. let's face criminals to let's face it, criminals tend to be criminals . let's face it, criminals tend to be criminals. but be repeat criminals. but interestingly , at the same time, interestingly, at the same time, the prime minister also, rishi sunak, has also a daughter of the of a similar age. and has made similar. promises or expressed similar desires. and at the same time has refused to say tell whether or not he , his say tell whether or not he, his daughter, would trust the police because we know there have been surveys and saying coming up with coming out with damning conclusions about misogyny and certain cultures or or beliefs or attitudes in the met police. now now i have my own

reservations because we know nowadays in the society there is a lot of man bashing and a lot of man hating toxic masculinity from england national team to some razor making corporations. they've all gone after men . men they've all gone after men. men are bad, men are evil. there's a rape culture on campus and this is both in the uk and the us, so it's all fine and well when we really tackle crime or abusive behaviour here. but i have i have my doubts when we when we 90, have my doubts when we when we go, when we go with hashtags like believe every woman. i just don't want a witch hunt against men when it comes to the idea is to have some lessons that are taught to young boys at school. >> lois that means also the women will be free to have another , and then maybe another lesson, and then maybe you can with a syllabus you can come up with a syllabus about advice about maybe whatever advice you would young women. would give to young women. actually, ask that actually, let's not ask that question. this. >> yeah, well, it's interesting because the women won't get the women won't have a syllabus. i mean, it'll just be the men. this is hating . and this is this is men hating. and

the i've been to school the schools i've been to school and i know we never listen to our teachers. so if you're going to a you're going to have to have a you're going to have a module how bad men and module on how bad men are and that be and that they should be nicer and ask consent whatever , men ask for consent or whatever, men aren't listen it aren't going to listen to it anyway. the thing is, is anyway. and the thing is, is that this is a weird time because i have my two sons and they don't pay that much attention to women. look there's attention to women. look there's a point that they make in the story about there's a void that's been left, which is being filled by people oh, filled by people thinking, oh, i should andrew tate should act like andrew tate tells act. tells me to act. >> holds and if you >> that holds there. and if you can it a different way, can fill it a different way, then no reason have then there's no reason to have toxicity masculinity toxicity in masculinity synonymous. because in synonymous. no because in schools , the school is not the schools, the school is not the place to teach anybody anything . place to teach anybody anything. well, that's the end of that. then to the observer, lewis. and if you're poor , old and lonely if you're poor, old and lonely in the north west, good news. you'll the king even richer you'll make the king even richer when you die. >> yeah. is a shocking, >> yeah. this is a shocking, shocking thing. the king king's estate. king, is we estate. the king, which is we used to have a queen and they used to have a queen and they used a king's used to be a queen. a king's estate recap to transfer £100

million into ethical funds after bona vacantia . what? i don't bona vacantia. what? i don't know if you say that on tv. >> can we just check bona? >> can we just check bona? >> bona vacantia vacantia vacancy? how does that. how do you . yeah, nicholas, you know. you. yeah, nicholas, you know. you know everything in latin it would be vacancy , vacancy, bona would be vacancy, vacancy, bona fide . actually, we don't know fide. actually, we don't know how things were pronounced in latin anyway. can we get back on the story? anyway, this was . the story? anyway, this was. this was amazing. is that if you die in the north—west and you don't have you don't have a will, you don't have any family members. the money goes to the gig- members. the money goes to the gig. goes to the king. and gig. it goes to the king. and that's wants to. and that's why he wants to. and he's been what you been like saying, what have you been like saying, what have you been this money on to been spending this money on to renovate his house to make renovate his house is to make more this king, this king more money. this king, this king makes bill gates look like he's not interested in money. >> maybe more of that later . are >> maybe more of that later. are you shocked by this? also happens cornwall to happens down in cornwall to a different happens down in cornwall to a diffirent happens down in cornwall to a diffi think we both shocked >> i think we are both shocked as englishmen and commoners. as non englishmen and commoners. if if i may say that as an if i'm if i may say that as an englishman, they don't mention it to you often. >> it to you often. okay >> good. good to know that

>> it's good. good to know that we because we are in company because obviously more obviously you are. you're more sophisticated regard. obviously you are. you're more sopiyeah,ted regard. obviously you are. you're more sopiyeah, this, regard. obviously you are. you're more sopiyeah, this, this regard. obviously you are. you're more sopiyeah, this, this is egard. obviously you are. you're more sopiyeah, this, this is a|ard. obviously you are. you're more sopiyeah, this, this is a double but yeah, this, this is a double whammy because on the one hand, this out thanks this thing has come out thanks to a guardian investigation for once, the guardian has done something useful . it doesn't something useful. it doesn't happen every day. something described as archaic hangover described as an archaic hangover from the medieval times, a bizarre remnant of feudal britain. so basically , if you britain. so basically, if you die in the north—west and you have no will or no next of kin, your patrimony , your property, your patrimony, your property, your patrimony, your property, your money goes to the king and not to the state. and the second aspect the double whammy is aspect of the double whammy is that the money, often, as lewis was saying, is not exactly spent by these charities on those areas that the king himself so fervently and fervently has advocated for the guardian asks the money is coming from . the money is coming from. >> right? >> right? >> well, the dead people know where it comes from, but but the guardian couldn't get an answer as to whether charities as to whether these charities run by the duchy of lancaster were investing, for example, in mining. >> not that i think there's anything wrong with it, but in

mining, in tobacco and in other industries that are not really, you know , in line with the you know, in line with the desires and with the passions of the king >> and he mentioned something what you said , an anarchic art, what you said, an anarchic art, archaic hangover from the medieval times. right. writes out of it, right out of the feudal era , which i would say feudal era, which i would say has to do with everything being that the royal family he was involved wanted to turn back the clock to the good old days. >> it looks like we did the thursday, the sunday telegraph, nicholas and yet again , it is nicholas and yet again, it is the 6% of people who go to private school who the real private school who are the real victims well i wouldn't go victims here? well i wouldn't go as far as that. >> let's read the title first. the crown damages private schools with its frustrating stereotyping, says education chief. now, this is julie robinson or mrs. robinson. as mentioned in the article as well. chief executive of the independent schools council. she says the very famous netflix series, the crown basically

propagates this stereotype whereby people who send their kids to the to these schools are very rich and very wealthy. and i don't see what's wrong with that. you know, i wish i could send my kids to a 50 zero zero £0 a year school, but i mean, maybe if i get more headliners or send more monks. but the point is that she says people shouldn't feel like there is some poshness attached to it or feels shy about it, or you know, be labelled in such and such way. and i agree with all that. and let's not forget that some people are not extremely wealthy, but they still get help from their parents and they they manage to scrape up this money and send their kids to independent schools . they are independent schools. they are not all eton. they're not all super. supen >> yeah, but if it's only 6% of pupils go to these fee pupils who go to these fee paying pupils who go to these fee paying schools, then it can't be a chunk of that . the a big chunk of that. the scraping by just yeah, there'll be a strata of the scraping by and all the above that find and all the ones above that find it the park.

and all the ones above that find it yeah. the park. and all the ones above that find it yeah. well the park. and all the ones above that find it yeah. well this the park. and all the ones above that find it yeah. well this is the park. and all the ones above that find it yeah. well this is at1e park. and all the ones above that find it yeah. well this is at the ark. and all the ones above that find it yeah. well this is at the end >> yeah. well this is at the end of the day or as i, as i like to say, when chickens say, when all, when the chickens have plucked is that have all been plucked is that these private schools are doing a service because . because a service because. because that's 6% of the kids who are not who don't have to go to pubuc not who don't have to go to public school and they might have bullying. >> that would happen if they went a state school, take went to a state school, take a lot totally ridiculous. >> i think it's the crown in the actual tv show, crown i for the people there who know who people out there who know who know oeuvre, i was the know my oeuvre, i was the canadian prime minister in an episode of the crown and i played and i played a an american news reporter interviewing prince philip. right. prince philip and i don't think anybody looks to the crown for information about anything they don't know. >> we know that you're in it to the sunday telegraph . lewis and the sunday telegraph. lewis and civil had meetings civil servants had meetings about a book that said, why i don't talk white about don't talk to white people about race. yeah , i bet they did. race. but yeah, i bet they did. >> bet did . and they >> but i bet they did. and they

did. it kept did. and they want it kept secret. they said, this is secret. and they said, this is secret. and they said, this is secret. the secret. civil servants in the department of business and trade secret. civil servants in the deparwhat: of business and trade secret. civil servants in the deparwhat: of busthiss and trade secret. civil servants in the deparwhat: of busthis thing trade . and what makes this thing interesting is they were speaking to their quote unquote, reach network, which is a group representing my rmt people. right and it's kemi badenoch is department and she's been gung ho against critics race theory and not teaching all this stuff. and it was her department that had these secret meetings to promote promote it. this katsura as we would say, nicholas, your thoughts. >> have you ever been to one of these? >> no, thankfully not. i mean, the these people have got to go. to be fair to the these people have got to go. to be fairto kemi the these people have got to go. to be fair to kemi badenoch is her department. but obviously, she doesn't have control over all aspects of it. but the irony is that these people get together to each other together and talk to each other over know, how over about, you know, how oppressed they are or how their race gets in the way of getting promotions while their department, is department, their ministry is headed a woman. so and headed by a black woman. so and

i myself, as a as the only non anglo—saxon member of the roster of headliners i can tell people if you try hard, you will get there and race and background will not be an obstacle. so we just need to get going and forget about critical race theory. you try hard, you can get right here to the middle. >> more to go . >> yeah. one more section to go. so you've nearly it. we'll so you've nearly done it. we'll be bill gates be talking about bill gates making worse some making the world worse and some turkeys a gobble. it turkeys having a gobble. and it will promise . will make sense, i promise. we'll shortly

welcome back to headliners the mail on sunday. lewis people think that bill gates is an eco nutter putting chips in all of us. meanwhile, elon musk actually makes electric cars and neuralink, but whatever. what's bill gates been up to? >> gates reputation as the

>> bill gates reputation as the world's most noble philanthropist is about is bill gates reputation as the world's most noble philanthropist about to be torn to shreds by a new book which slams his billions. do more harm than good. and the answer to that question is it's been torn already. i mean , the been torn already. i mean, the suv- been torn already. i mean, the guy. yeah i mean , what else can guy. yeah i mean, what else can you say about that? >> in the article, it accuses the philanthropist of philandering , and that is he's philandering, and that is he's almost on brand that word for land. >> and with the philistines, the do i have to say this? i think the people know they know there is something with the guy is something wrong with the guy you you can't a you you can't be a philanthropist try to make philanthropist and try to make money. you can't do both and that's what he's tried to do. he made money out of covid made money out of the covid vaccine. he's money on vaccine. he's making money on the . he's made on the farmland. he's made money on that. fake that fake meat. that. that fake that fake meat. >> well, in the article, i think a lot of it just says he's got so much power. of course, he has lots of power. he's a billionaire. we've got a system where can enough where people can accrue enough

money billionaire money to become a billionaire with power. >> forget about the power . think >> forget about the power. think about books about about what whole books about what and what he what he stands for and what he stands is he stands for stands for is he stands for making money. he while pretending to be a great guy. if he didn't make any money, you could say, well, maybe he's not doing it for the money. and you'd give him if he didn't make any money, he wouldn't a any money, he wouldn't be a billionaire wouldn't billionaire and we wouldn't be talking now . talking about him right now. >> nicholas, thoughts? >> w- w— >> well, he has made a lot of money necessarily money and no harm necessarily in that. however , so many that. the book, however, so many accusations. and one them is accusations. and one of them is that actually even conceding that actually even conceding that maybe heart is in the that maybe his heart is in the right he actually right place and he actually means to do some good. he's not using his power in the right way because he wants to play god according to the book by tim schwab, by the way , who is a schwab, by the way, who is a washington, dc journalist and won prizes as well, a prize winning journalist. but he says bill gates, for example, in case of pakistan , he picks a disease of pakistan, he picks a disease like polio or polio, which is not even fatal and then tries to

strong arm different governments to do things. his way to go after polio , like the pakistani after polio, like the pakistani government . so they come and government. so they come and fill up the fridges in all these clinics and local provincial hospitals with with polio vaccines, which are sometimes unneeded. and what at the same time more fatal, more dangerous diseases go unnoticed or neglected . article mentions one neglected. article mentions one of the vaccines that are displaced is measles, which means you've just agreed with someone measles someone who likes measles vaccines . vaccines. >> i will say i will say this. he doesn't like me with him. he the book the book says that the problem with having so many polio vaccines is you don't get enough measles. as ben shapiro says you can believe in two opposite things couldn't get you to agree with it. >> daily star sunday >> the daily star sunday nicholas maybe turkeys would nicholas and maybe turkeys would vote christmas if the meat changed. >> this is a funny story. peta embarrassed after bizarre turkeys wouldn't eat us for dinner claim proves to be false. so basically , peter , you know

so basically, peter, you know very well known pro vegan anti animal cruelty organisation they made this post on social media on x to be precise , in which we on x to be precise, in which we see a picture of turkey dressed as humans trying to eat a human for dinner. and peta says, well, if turkeys don't ever do that , if turkeys don't ever do that, why would they why would, why , why would they why would, why, why would they why would, why, why should we do that to them? and claim has been and then this claim has been community noted one of those famous community notes has come underneath it saying that no, actually turkeys are not vegan. they do eat mice , frogs. and they do eat mice, frogs. and they had they been bigger , they they had they been bigger, they would have probably eaten us as well. and they have even backed it by research at the it by some research done at the university california . yeah. university of california. yeah. so , peter has had to so basically, peter has had to backtrack and they have become subject to ridicule. some people have gone as far as calling it best community note ever. and also so they've asked does peter

ever talk about all the birds killed by by wind turbines, for example . so long story short, example. so long story short, peter has fallen victim to the famous community notes. >> yeah, they're the people for the ethical treatment of animals, the animals, not the people for the good about what turkeys eat. >> well, who's who their >> well, who's the who was their spokesperson that not beverly johnson . the other what's her johnson. the other what's her name , supermodel . this is name, the supermodel. this is what do they call this mission creep, where they started out by saying, listen, maybe we shouldn't be fur coats shouldn't be wearing fur coats and save the animals and we should save the animals there. and now suddenly it's telling we telling us we can't have we can't turkey and an and i can't eat turkey and an and i think eventually that's what eventually they're going to it's going to be bye bye, peter. they did some good work. we should i don't think we should wear fur coats. >> do you know the first group that ofcom complaint that ever had an ofcom complaint about me when did a radio show about me when i did a radio show was ethical was people for the ethical treatment got treatment of animals. so we got we got history to the sun on sunday. lewis and why ? why we sunday. lewis and why? why we might not know if there's any auens might not know if there's any aliens around. could it be auens aliens around. could it be aliens causing it? that's internet logic for you.

>> yeah. the ufo means we don't know what it is. as soon as it becomes a ufo means unidentified . as soon as it becomes, it becomes an ifo , and then it's no becomes an ifo, and then it's no longer ufo case dubbed longer a ufo. ufo case dubbed uk's roswell, which is that place in. in new mexico where there was something happening over , blown by over there, blown open by new evidence as expert reveals how auens evidence as expert reveals how aliens could be behind baffling mystery. because this took place in the village in wales and in 1983. and they've just done research and they found out that there's no obvious conclusion . there's no obvious conclusion. so at that point , there's no obvious conclusion. so at that point, i there's no obvious conclusion. so at that point , i stopped reading. >> yeah. nicholas the word could is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. it could be aliens . here. it could be aliens. >> well, you know, some people well, i think it was ben shapiro again to give him to give credit where credit is due. i think it was him who said, well, surprisingly, all these ufos or ufos sightings, nobody ever has a phone or a phone camera on them nowadays. how is that possible ? all these sightings

possible? all these sightings and not another single photographic proof? >> yeah, there's less there's less now than there in the less now than there was in the 19505. less now than there was in the 1950s. yeah >> we people getting happy, >> we see people getting happy, slapped the time, one slapped all the time, but no one bothers film alien. i love bothers to film an alien. i love working nicholas de santo. working with nicholas de santo. >> likewise to the daily star, nicholas and the earth's axis could be tilting . could be tilting. >> half of the planet will say it's to the right, half to the left. so it's just like everything else these days. >> fascinating story. >> fascinating scientific story. dangerously summers on the dangerously hot summers on the cards earth's axis appears to cards as earth's axis appears to be tilting . so the earth's axis, be tilting. so the earth's axis, the rotational axis, is tilting . the rotational axis, is tilting. and what that means is more severe weather, hotter summers and colder winters. previously, scientists believed that maybe the reason was global warming or the reason was global warming or the melting of the ice caps. but apparently now they say the major reason is groundwater extraction for agricultural purposes . so if this trend purposes. so if this trend continues , as i said, we'll have continues, as i said, we'll have more extreme weathers on both sides of the year and that means it's more difficult for the

glaciers, for the ice caps to basically endure the season, the hot season up to the next year to be able to renovate to basically fully recover what was melted. >> lewis i'll start the stopwatch. how long until you mentioned velikovsky velikovsky you have to mention him in the beginning all the different planets are in a different tilt. >> they're in a different tilt because they were put in position. no there's no position. there's no there's no way mainstream people way that the mainstream people can every can explain why every single planet different. even even, planet is different. even even, even. is upside even. i think uranus is upside down bending because you understand all about conservation of angular momentum. exactly because it came into the position in that that it was in. and it was kind of locked in place at the end of the day, know anything the day, i don't know anything about the tilt. i know that that the planets are bouncing around up there. there's believe it or not, every planet has kind of like an exo sphere of energy. and it runs if it runs through another planet , it it can mess another planet, it it can mess up that planet. and it could it

could affect the tilt well. >> and then you could tell my horoscope is in a minute or the show is nearly over. so let's take another look at take another quick look at sunday's pages as the sunday's front pages as the sunday's front pages as the sunday times goes with. they thought they were about to be executed. then freedom the sunday mirror, my darling girl is broken, but in one piece, the sunday telegraph cracked down on charities that host extremists. the sunday express goes with stop small boats. all were sunk and the observer hostage deal on course after hamas delayed prompts crisis. the daily star sunday haunted by cigar smoking ghost of jimmy savile those are your front pages. that's all we've got. time for. thank you to my guests, lewis schaefer and nicholas de santo. leo kurtz will here tomorrow at 11 pm. will be here tomorrow at 11 pm. with cressida wetton and nick dixon . if you're watching at dixon. if you're watching at 5 am, stay tuned for breakfast a.m, stay tuned for breakfast and we'll see you again time. >> i like you,

beacon of hope. a further 17 hostages freed by hamas, including that little nine year old irish israeli girl, emily hand. old irish israeli girl, emily hand . occupation . and hand. occupation. and pro—palestine demonstrators defy police warnings with some carrying banners with anti—semitic hate speech on as thousands take to the streets calling for a permanent ceasefire. elsewhere the business secretary kemi badenoch unveils plans to boost the manufacturing industry post brexit with a cash injection of £4.5 billion. but is it enough to revive growth ? to revive growth? >> and craig snell has your weather. good morning. >> it's another cold and frosty start out there for most of us. but out towards the west, a

change is on