of secretary blaming some of the government's mistakes on the toxic inside number toxic atmosphere inside number 10. also going to be 10. we're also going to be talking about cop28, the climate summit in dubai, of all places , summit in dubai, of all places, where king charles iii, has just arrived. and we're going to be discussing what on earth has happened to 17,000 missing asylum seekers . all that after asylum seekers. all that after the news with aaron armstrong . the news with aaron armstrong. >> very good evening to you. it's aaron armstrong here in the newsroom. two more hostages have been released from gaza on the seventh day of the temporary ceasefire between hamas and israel . earlier, the women, a 21 israel. earlier, the women, a 21 year old french dual national and a 40 year old israeli , and a 40 year old israeli, arrived at a hospital back in israel. we're also expecting more captives held by hamas to be released later in exchange for 30 palestinian prisoners . for 30 palestinian prisoners. the talks to extend the truce are continuing in qatar. meanwhile, benjamin netanyahu, the israeli prime minister has once again vowed to eradicate

hamas terror group after it claimed responsibility for a shooting that killed three people in jerusalem. at least eight others were injured in the attack. it took place at a bus stop during rush hour outside the entrance to the capital city. police say the two suspected attackers were neutralised on the spot by off duty officers as here in the uk. matt hancocks told the covid inquiry the first lockdown should have been imposed three weeks earlier than it was . the weeks earlier than it was. the former health secretary claimed many, many lives could have been saved if we'd had. >> the doctrine that i propose , >> the doctrine that i propose, which is as soon as you know, you've got to lock down, you lock down as soon as possible. then we would got the lock then we would have got the lock down done over that weekend in on of march, three weeks on the 2nd of march, three weeks earlier before. there's earlier than before. there's a doubung earlier than before. there's a doubling rate at this point, estimated every 3 to 4 days. we would have been six doublings ahead of where we were, which means that fewer than a 10th of the number of people would have died in the first wave. a world

first online fraud charter is being launched to tackle digital scde. >> scams. >> the home secretary met representatives from leading tech companies like facebook, tiktok, snapchat and youtube to sign the pledge . the charter sign the pledge. the charter will introduce a number of measures to better protect users , including verifying new advertising and removing fraudulent content swiftly. james cleverly says it's a culmination of a huge amount of work and working together , we work and working together, we are seeking to achieve what they want, which is a reduction of fraud on their platforms. >> what we want, which is a reduction of fraud against british people . there is british people. there is a mutual benefit here that's why they're working with us. that's why they've engaged with anthony brown and the british government. and that's why we are holding this world first, signing of a joint work to drive down online fraud. former labour chancellor alistair darling has died at the age of 70. >> lord darling served as a cabinet minister for 13 years under tony blair and gordon

brown, becoming chancellor in two thousand and seven and steering the uk through the global financial crash. labour leader sir keir starmer says his death been met with profound sadness. >> alistair's death has caused a shock and a profound sadness across not just the whole labour movement but across everybody who loved him and respected him. and that's basically everybody who knew him. he was the dedicated public servant. he was kind. i was privileged to know him as a friend and to have his advice and our hearts go out to maggie , his wife and their maggie, his wife and their children on this very, very sad day . day. >> shane macgowan, the front man of the pogues, has died at the age of 65. he was discharged from hospital last week after being diagnosed with encephalitis. the singer, who was born on christmas day, is best known for the 1987 hit fairytale of new york. elvis costello once bet the irishman he couldn't write a christmas hit while macgowan promptly wrote and performed one of the

most cherished festive songs . he most cherished festive songs. he died peacefully with his wife by his side . died peacefully with his wife by his side. rail died peacefully with his wife by his side . rail passengers are his side. rail passengers are being warned to expect disruption over the coming week because of strikes , and that's because of strikes, and that's despite the rmt members voting to accept a deal to end their long running dispute. however train drivers represented by the aslef union at 16 rail operators are set to hold an overtime ban from tomorrow and the prime minister switched on the lights of downing street and the christmas tree there . 3 to 1 . christmas tree there. 3 to 1. rishi sunak joked. it was nice to click a button and make everything brighter for the christmas carols were played as more than 100 guests attended a festive market in downing street a little earlier . well, this is a little earlier. well, this is gb news live across the uk on tv, digital radio and on your smart speaker too. that's it for the moment. now it's over to .

camilla >> thanks for that. well, welcome back. it's me, camilla tominey, covering for nigel farage tonight. and we're going to speaking about covid to be speaking about the covid inquiry because health secretary, former health secretary, former health secretary hancock been secretary matt hancock has been giving let's just pick giving evidence. let's just pick out some of the highlights . i out some of the highlights. i can people felt i was can see why people felt i was overconfident, he told the inquiry . he largely inquiry. he blamed largely dominic cummings for the toxic culture at number 10. he said we should have locked down three weeks earlier and he insisted that he had told boris johnson that he had told boris johnson that the country should lock down as early as march 13th, 2020. this is what he said. >> i've had the chance to check because you questioned my the phone call. i made to the prime minister. it was at three 334 that afternoon. i've been at 324. i've been able to check my phone records, which have i've come to light since . hold on. come to light since. hold on. no, no, no. >> mr hancock, you know perfectly well that we have

scoured every possible source for documents and material relevant to the issues in this inquiry. we are you saying that you have a record of a phone call which you've not disclosed to this inquiry? >> no, there isn't. there's only a record that the phone call took place. >> know what you >> so you don't know what you said in that phone call? i do. all right. >> so that rather testy exchange with the lawyer there may raise questions hancock's questions about matt hancock's testimony. audience testimony. and my audience question tonight is a quite simple one. do you believe him? do you believe what he's been telling inquiry today? get telling the inquiry today? get in touch with me. you can email farage at news. dot com or farage at gb news. dot com or tweet farage on gb news. tweet hashtag farage on gb news. well let's bring professor carl heneghan into the conversation. he's the director of the centre for evidence based medicine at the university of oxford. i know, carl, that you went in and you did advise boris johnson at one stage, but then because you were sceptical about lockdown, you were rather frozen out of the process. i wonder in general what you make of the inquiry.

three you wrote a piece for the spectator here where you basically what's the basically asked, what's the point it? are you still of point of it? are you still of that opinion, professor? >> well, look, i think we always sort of thought about government. it was a bit disorganised , disorganised and dysfunctional, but this is a window into how it works and it's a whole new level of distrust and dysfunctionality. so we're we're able to see the workings of government that we've never seen before. so i also think what's happening, though, is we're looking at government decision making . and happened is making. and what's happened is everybody's everybody . everybody's blaming everybody. the blaming the the advisers are blaming the ministers , civil servants ministers, the civil servants are everybody . and at are blaming everybody. and at this point, i thought what happened here was hancock is patrick vallance had it nailed on the head. he said he had a habit of saying things which he didn't have a basis for. and the key point there was hugo keefe was on a minute. was saying, hold on a minute. you book that said this you had a book that said this was the whole truth. this was the pandemic, the raw details of it. and in there , he never it. and in there, he never mentioned anything about the 13th march. and the immediate

lockdown and the call with the prime now all of a prime minister. and now all of a sudden he's pulled it out of the bag.soi sudden he's pulled it out of the bag. so i think actually, how can we trust these people on hearsay ? and i have to say, most hearsay? and i have to say, most of the things that hancock said today, i just found them. we didn't anything, any didn't learn anything, any lessons whatsoever. did you find it as interesting as i did, professor, the week professor, that in the week questions were asked? >> i think by michael gove, the levelling secretary about the levelling up secretary about the origins of the virus. wanted the inquiry perhaps look into inquiry to perhaps look into whether was man made in china whether it was man made in china and he was quickly told no, sorry this isn't the sorry, this isn't what the inquiry dealing with. well, sorry, this isn't what the in it|iry dealing with. well, sorry, this isn't what the in it isn't dealing with. well, sorry, this isn't what the in it isn't dealingi with. well, sorry, this isn't what the in it isn't dealing wilhi. well, sorry, this isn't what the in it isn't dealing with thatll, if it isn't dealing with that very central question, one could argue what the point of it is actually be. >> i think camilla, there are >> so i think camilla, there are two central questions. you're right. if it is man made and that's what they considered the issues were, you can understand why much more why they were much more concerned down if concerned about locking down if they suddenly say, we've got this virus, we've got these research institutes in china that can do gain of function and they're creating bio weapons,

you could understand the panic and the alarm that occurred. i think that's one issue. the second that the inquiry second issue that the inquiry has to do start asking the has to do is start asking the questions did lockdowns work ? questions did lockdowns work? because amongst people like hancock, there's a belief that lockdowns work and therefore all we need is more lockdown. do it harder and faster next time . and harder and faster next time. and actually, if you start looking at the evidence, that unravels really quickly. but i actually think hancock statements today was thrown in to distract everybody and say i had the opportunity and the answer and i could have created a massive difference. if you only listened to me. and that was a distraction technique because he was just pulling a number out of the out of the fresh air, as far as i'm concerned. >> carl heneghan thank you very much indeed forjoining me this much indeed for joining me this evening joins me evening. lloyd morgan joins me now . he's a conservative peer. now. he's a conservative peer. he's adviser to boris he's a former adviser to boris johnson, who, course, is johnson, who, of course, is appearing at the inquiry next week. out of interest, have you spoken his imminent spoken to him about his imminent appearance? have not, no. and appearance? i have not, no. and how think he should how do you think he should handle it? because carl

handle it? because as carl heneghan illustrated , heneghan has just illustrated, it has become a blame game. this you've got the scientists blaming the government, but you've got the government blaming science artists. no blaming the science artists. no doubt, johnson is going to be doubt, mrjohnson is going to be placed in precarious position placed in a precarious position for days in the stand when for two days in the stand when it me as if this it appears to me as if this inquiry is somewhat of a foregone conclusion , the inquiry foregone conclusion, the inquiry is favour of the idea is leaning in favour of the idea that we didn't down soon that we didn't lock down soon enough hard enough. so how do enough or hard enough. so how do you think your friend and ally is going to fare? >> well, don't know. i think >> well, i don't know. i think that lady hallett has lost control of inquiry and control of the inquiry and i think actually it should be wound really. i don't think wound up. really. i don't think this inquiry going anywhere . this inquiry is going anywhere. it me the first purpose it seems to me the first purpose of in asking his of mr keith in asking his questions, one old etonian to another is basically to ensure that boris johnson can never come back into political life. that seems to me what the inquiry he defend himself. >> you're saying that he's ideological, >> you're saying that he's ideological , motivated to ideological, motivated to destroy his ideological motivated. >> i'm saying he's only interested in gotcha questions to try and humiliate anyone who

appears in front of him. >> i mean, he'll be he'll be arguing, lord, that he's there to find answers out about how the government responded to this pandemic. >> yeah, he'll say that's what he'll say. but he isn't actually doing that because he isn't looking government looking at government functionality as a he functionality as a whole. he isn't looking at it from the point prime point of view of a prime minister or indeed a health secretary. and i have no idea whether matt hancock made that phone call or not. what's your suspicion? have suspicion? is i don't have suspicions . suspicion? is i don't have suspicions. but he isn't. he isn't answering, looking at it from the point of view of people who are dealing with something where getting contrary where they're getting contrary advice time want advice the whole time and want to want weigh it up and to and want to weigh it up and aren't the tools from aren't getting the tools from people to allow them to weigh it up. they're just being shouted at in one ear by one person and in the other ear by somebody else. and they've got to make that decision. and other that decision. and the other assumption that it assumption here is that it matters is whether matt hancock said we it doesn't said yes, we should. it doesn't matter. seems to be people matter. there seems to be people out think that if we'd out there who think that if we'd locked down a week earlier than we because i think we we did, because i think we locked down on the 20th, if we'd

well, there was an informal lockdown 20th, i in lockdown on the 20th, i think in the week later it became legal if the week later it became legal h done the week later it became legal if done it all a week if we'd done it all a week earlier, that somehow nobody would died. i mean, it's would have died. i mean, it's all fantasy. yes you know, these tiny adjusters , it's these tiny tiny adjusters, it's these tiny decisions about whether something should be brought forward by a few days or not was going to material effect going to have a material effect on what happened. yes, i'm sure there were things the government did wrong. matt hancock has admitted idea that admitted that this idea that elderly being moved out elderly people being moved out of were going of hospitals were going to be safe was wrong and there was a great deal of cruelty involved in that. and there were you know, have they have know, they have they have victims groups . yeah. victims victims groups. yeah. victims groups represent people who groups who represent people who lost family is to lost family members to covid. but they don't seem to have victims groups of parents whose whose children's education was disrupted or even people who lost lives because of covid, because they couldn't get treated for other things. we get treated for other things. we get treated for other things. we get treated for cancer and for things like that. those people don't seem to be represented. so

the bias is in there. and these are decisions by hallett, are decisions by lady hallett, who who gets represented decisions for her. >> but we must scrutinise the prime minister. we must prime minister, the prime minister and how he handled this pandemic advice would my advice he advice would be my advice is he should the he saw should tell the truth as he saw it from where he was. >> how do you think he handled the pandemic? >> i think was. he was ill >> i think he was. he was ill dunng >> i think he was. he was ill during a period the beginning during a period at the beginning of you'll be familiar of it. but you'll be familiar with the kind of matt lucas lampooning you know, stay lampooning of, you know, stay indoors, don't stay indoors. it was confusing. did he was all very confusing. did he manage adequately? was all very confusing. did he ma iage adequately? was all very confusing. did he ma iage once jately? was all very confusing. did he ma iage once the ly? was all very confusing. did he ma iage once the decision to >> i think once the decision to have a lockdown was made, i think boris was actually led that very well . well, i think he that very well. well, i think he communicated the government's decision well to the public. and i think that the early stages, he had a lot of respect for doing it. he did fall ill later, but that was a bit later. yes, that was a bit later. >> but didn't he squander his sort of libertarian principles on the altar of following the science? and wouldn't he now

reflect and think that actually if more courage to if he'd had more courage to stick guns and his stick to his guns and his instincts a sweden instincts were to do a sweden and not have the lockdowns that we up having, he'd have we ended up having, he'd have fared a lot better. you wouldn't have partygate, would have had partygate, would you? i don't whether thinks don't know whether he thinks that but i would think that how. >> now. >> i mean, i would have supported , i'd have gone along. supported, i'd have gone along. i was persuaded by the argument for lockdown early on, just as a member of the public. i don't have special scientific have any special scientific knowledge bear on knowledge to bring to bear on this but big question about this. but the big question about lockdown , from the the lockdown, from the outset, the people asking and boris was people were asking and boris was asking was how do you get out of it? yes how do you bring to the lockdown an end? and nobody had an answer to that. and that was an answer to that. and that was a question of crucial importance, both for public morale, public health and public finances and the state of the economy, which we're all still suffering from loads with debt as a result , suffering from loads with debt as a result, which is inhibiting our economic life loaded with debt even now. and for years to come. as a result of a decision to go into a lockdown with no

clear plan. how you come out of it, the whole test trace and isolate thing was always going to be a fantasy. >> any inquiry to conclude >> so any inquiry to conclude really needs to answer the central question, this one central question, which this one doesn't was the cure doesn't seem to, was the cure worse than the disease that that is absolutely a crucial question i >> -- >> and the other one, just to support carl heneghan, if you want to plan for a future pandemic, absolute crucial. pandemic, it's absolute crucial. you know , how the pandemic you know, how the pandemic you're looking at started and they don't seem to be remotely interested. lloyd moylan, thank you very much indeed for joining me in the studio this evening . me in the studio this evening. >> well, coming up next, we're going to be discussing cop 28. how private jets do you how many private jets do you think are leaders? took to get to dubai? and we'll also be discussing that astonishing story. the home office losing track of 70,000 asylum seekers . track of 70,000 asylum seekers. that's all next. stay tuned . you that's all next. stay tuned. you know , i've been a pop star. know, i've been a pop star. >> i've been a tv presenter. i've danced on strictly . i've

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radio. welcome back to farage with me, camilla tominey early in the programme, i asked you whether you believed matt hancock. >> he had made a number of claims the inquiry, including claims to the inquiry, including the he'd flagged on the fact that he'd flagged on march 2020 the need to march the 13th, 2020 the need to lock down with former prime minister boris johnson. that was disputed at the inquiry by the lawyer. mary says in response the covid inquiry is a waste of time. it is irrelevant whether or not anyone believes hancock opinions should not be of any

relevance at all. facts only should matter to another viewer, says this inquiry is ridiculous. it's just a blame game. instead of learning what should be done if it happens again and pamela says, yes, camilla, i think he's lying. i do not trust him at all. well, there you have it. and don't forget, the boris johnson will be appearing at that inquiry next week and it'll all be covered on gb news. now let's speak about cop 28. now the annual summit, which we know was in glasgow for cop 26. we hosted it, would you believe we'll now have the biggest carbon footprint in the history of the annual climate summit because the uae has invited record numbers of people . all record numbers of people. all experts have said at least 400,000 people are expected to travel to dubai. that centre of climate conscience , for the two climate conscience, for the two week event. organisers have said the biggest attendance on record . i the biggest attendance on record .i asked the biggest attendance on record . i asked you earlier how many private jets it takes to send uk leaders out there. three, it

seems. we had david cameron on one. apparently rishi sunak on another and the king on a third, which strikes me as being rather counter—intuitive to the impetus behind this summit. let's bring rupert reed into the conversation. he's the co—director of the climate majority project . rupert, i majority project. rupert, i presume you're not in favour of this summit because it's in oil rich dubai . yeah it's a disaster rich dubai. yeah it's a disaster all around, really, isn't it? >> it's quite ridiculous. as you as you say , our so—called as you say, our so—called leaders taking these private jets out there separately, they could at least get in one together. dubai is about the worst place in the world for having a cop meeting. it's very discredited because as the boss of the whole cop and his company are basically been caught trying to make oil deals at the climate summit . it's to make oil deals at the climate summit. it's a very bad look. and that's why, as you say, in the climate majority project, we say this whole process is not what we need . what we actually

what we need. what we actually needis what we need. what we actually need is for governments and localities and citizens to get down and dirty in the ground, in the dirt growing food , guarding the dirt growing food, guarding against flood risk , storing against flood risk, storing water, doing the kind of things that are necessary to protect us against the climate damage that we all know is here. and the worst climate damage that is coming, you know, we've all experienced now things like floods, the extremes of temperatures last summer. it's time to actually get down and dirty doing the work that needs to be done together to protect ourselves against this. okay >> i mean, the prime minister has distanced himself from what he's described as idealogue zealots. obviously we've seen a lot of activity from the likes of just stop oil and extinction rebellion, but actually that hasn't really advanced the cause at all, has it, since just stop oil and extinction rebellion started stopping people from commuting to work and throwing orange powder about the place .

orange powder about the place. the government's actually watered down its climate commitments. this kind of commitments. so this kind of climate activism , this extremism climate activism, this extremism is totally counter productive, isn't it ? isn't it? >> well, i think you've got to make 1 or 2 distinctions as extinction rebellion in 2019 raised the issue and forced a national conversation . but that national conversation. but that was four years ago. so i think the question you're asking is fair. do we still need more and more radical climate activism now? what we say in the climate majority project is anyone who thinks it's time for something other than that kind of activism. well, we're here for you. we're here for everybody who, as i was saying a minute ago, wants to take action in their local communities to make those communities more resilient or also action at work. that's what more and more people are doing, is looking to make their work, their businesses, their profession, climate resilient and climate friendly. that's where the real action is now in our view. >> well, you say action is in local communities, but aren't brits doing enough in comparison

to, say, countries like china ? to, say, countries like china? in india? there's been a recent report out suggesting that there have been 5 million deaths as a result of air pollution. most of them are occurring in china and india. so the uk is doing a great job. india and china need to do a lot more, don't they? >> no . the way i put it is this >> no. the way i put it is this india and china need to do a lot more, but the uk is not doing a great job. uk is doing a terrible job. yeah, we don't have as many air pollution deaths as those countries, but our record , we've reduced our our record, we've reduced our carbon emissions substantially, haven't we? reduced our haven't we? we've reduced our climate emissions not as much as people think because a lot of our emissions since the 1960s, a lot of our climate emissions, we've just exported over that penod we've just exported over that period to china and india. so we need to be reducing our emissions a lot more. but as i say, it's also about adaptation, it's about resilience, building . it's about resilience, building. and there again, the uk has got a really terrible record . it's a really terrible record. it's been condemned by its own official committee on climate change, although you'd imagine

that the average brit is probably quite good at recycled compared to somebody living in china or india. >> we have to leave it there. mr reed, thank you very, very much for your time this evening. it's not a bad recycling. >> it goes further than that. >> it goes further than that. >> recycling part of >> i think recycling is part of it, it? i mean, here we it, isn't it? i mean, here we are doing best and yet at are doing our best and yet at the same time, china are building coal fired building yet more coal fired power stations. and yet extinction think extinction rebellion think people galleries are people who go to galleries are the problem or indeed wimbledon or just stop oil. or maybe that was just stop oil. they meld into one, don't they all meld into one, don't they? let's the they? now let's go on to the next story. we talked about next story. now, we talked about it a little bit last night. it's this extra ordinary exchange that place at home that took place at the home affairs committee affairs select committee yesterday where some officials didn't seem to know what had happened to 17,000 asylum seekers who have withdrawn their applications . let's just be applications. let's just be reminded of exactly what happened. >> and we have no record of that 307% increase. >> the 17,316 claims withdrawn in the last year. you haven't a

clue where those people now are. so >> so these are people who have who have made a claim, who we have sought to invite to interviews or we have sent out questionnaires who have not responded. and the point at which they they they are not engaging with the system that leads to a decision. we have withdrawn their claim. so we don't kick them off the list. >> but they haven't gone home. >> but they haven't gone home. >> they haven't gone home. i don't know . don't know. >> we don't know. so you have no idea where those 16 17,316 people are ? people are? >> i don't think we know where all those people are. no, you have no idea. >> thank you very much, chair. >> thank you very much, chair. >> well, the person quizzing those clueless home office officials was tim loughton, the mp for east worthing and shoreham, and the former chair of the home affairs select committee. tim, what a shambles . committee. tim, what a shambles. >> wasn't very impressive, was it ? and we had the top two it? and we had the top two people from the home office, the permanent secretary, very experienced and the new second in in command appearing in front

of a home affairs select committee. >> not not a surprise . so we're >> not not a surprise. so we're going to ask lots of questions about migrant figures, how we're doing against the people smugglers, boats coming across the rwanda scheme and question after question was met with the sort of blank expression and a look of surprise as they just had no idea. and then these specifically these figures about reducing the legacy numbers, which is good. the government's made quite a lot of progress on that because they've speeded up the processing time, but that sort of slightly disguises the fact there's a whole load of people apparently people who have apparently withdrawn applications in withdrawn their applications in um, five nine. so where are they 7 um, five nine. so where are they ? and i suspect they haven't all gone home. and clearly the home office doesn't know where they are at all, which is quite worrying and also presumably doesn't really know what kinds of people they are . of people they are. >> i mean, people could have come over and sought asylum under false protection pretences. could have. pretences. they could have. i don't know, a criminal past. i mean, goodness me, they could be

potential enemies of this state. and yet the home office isn't able to track them at all. well hopefully not, because these are people who have all registered claim. >> so they are on the records. so they're not just completely anonymous people , although some anonymous people, although some people may be on a false identity, but they should have lodged a claim and they should have had their identity verified. it was then a question of waiting that to go of waiting for that claim to go through . there are ways then through. there are two ways then that you withdraw the claim and 95% of the people in the last quarter have done it by either signing a form um with the home office that says i no longer wish to make a claim or going home. now for those people who've left, hopefully immigration and border force have got a record that they've left. the 95% of people who've actually signed a physical form. i know those forms i don't know what those forms look did the officials look like, nor did the officials yesterday it probably has yesterday say it probably has got something on about, you know, details , contact know, a contact details, contact address, so they can make sure that moved back to the that they've moved back to the home country or whatever to keep

track of them. but we don't know. and the senior officials from the home office didn't know quite a straightforward and quite a straightforward and quite important question, frankly . frankly. >> tim, can i just ask you about the home office? i remember back in i think it was 2006, john reid, the former home secretary under labour, under tony blair, said that the home office wasn't fit for purpose. s is that still the case, do you think ? the case, do you think? >> i think that's probably fair description. still. it's certainly i think the most dysfunctional department in government and has been for a long time under various different governments. i mean, i've sat on the home affairs select committee for about nine years now, so i've seen lots of home secretaries come and go. i've seen lots permanent i've seen lots of permanent secretaries come and go. and this performance yesterday , i this performance yesterday, i think, was one of the most woeful performances i've seen from civil senior civil servants everis from civil senior civil servants ever is really not good enough in a department that is doing really important stuff. you know, the high profile problems we've got on immigration and

small boats, which the prime minister quite rightly made an absolute imperative and some progress is being made in reducing the number of boats coming across. but then you just get a complete shambles of performance like like this, which just, you know, raises questions about how thorough and robust are the figures that that we'd be given anyway. so this was not good enough from the home office at all? >> no, it doesn't exactly inspire confidence in rishi sunaks ambition to stop the boats. tim lawton, thank you very much indeed forjoining me this evening and for answering asking those home office officials those punchy questions . so now we're at the moment in the show where we say what the farage or as i've renamed it. can you believe it? and i must admit my reaction to seeing this headune admit my reaction to seeing this headline just before i came on air was, can believe it? air was, can you believe it? saskia pieters, the dutch translator of omid scobie's book end game, has told the mail online, and i quote as a translator, i translate what is in front of me the names of the

royals were there in black and white. i did not add them . i white. i did not add them. i just did what i was paid to do. and that was translate the book from english into dutch . now from english into dutch. now this is curious , isn't it, this is curious, isn't it, because scobie has said, and i quote, i never submitted a book that had those names in it. so how on earth could these names of these alleged royal racist have ended up in the dutch translation , even if they translation, even if they weren't in the english? and can scobie really justify saying that the trans later made the error? can you believe? it probably sums up this sorry saga? hopefully we won't need to speak about this book anymore because it appears to be being widely discredits not just in the uk but across the world. and but what the farage it was the translators fault and she says no. who'd have thunk it anyway, that's that saga for now. a little later in the show, we're going to be speaking to somebody about this horrendous shooting in jerusalem. has it disrupted the truce that's been agreed

between hamas and indeed the israelis ? we'll have more on israelis? we'll have more on that next on state of the nation tonight at 8:00. >> as world leaders get in their private jets to dubai for cop 28 to tell us all we should be using less fuel. why do we keep relinquishing our precious sovereignty to unelected quasi political jet set bureaucrats ? political jet set bureaucrats? another tough day for the home office as it's revealed 17,000 illegal migrants have disappeared into thin air without a trace . and yet another without a trace. and yet another setback for the rwanda plan. plus another boost for brexit, britain, our newfound freedoms could be seeing the return of pints of wine and champagne to winston churchill enjoyed and champagne . charlie would be champagne. charlie would be delighted by. tune in tonight at 8:00 .

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>> well , come the uk this is gb news radio. >> well, come back to farage with me. >> camilla tominey. earlier today, three people were killed and 16 others injured after hamas gunmen opened fire on a bus stop in jerusalem off duty soldiers and a civilian at the scene killed the gunman. hamas claimed the pair as its own members and said the attack was a response to israeli crimes in gaza and elsewhere . now hodaya gaza and elsewhere. now hodaya abusada joins me now. she's head of domestic affairs and civil society at the israeli embassy in london. thank you for being with me this evening. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you for having me. >> what does this say about the temporary truce that's been reached between hamas and the israelis that a crime like this can be carried out at a bus stop in jerusalem? >> um, well, it is disturbing that this is happening today , that this is happening today, actually, while we're still in the truth. but our priority right now is to bring back our hostages, to bring back our people, to reunite families that have been separated. yes and have been separated. yes and have been separated. yes and have been kept in in horrible conditions for over 50 days. so

we are hoping to bring more of the hostages back as long as hamas will be able and willing to release those hostages, then the truce will last. >> so israel isn't treating this incident as having broken that truce. >> as far as my understanding goes, the truth continues is until now , i know you've been until now, i know you've been heavily involved, not only with some of the hostages that have come back home, but also those who are still waiting for news of their loved ones. >> can give us an insight >> can you give us an insight into, first of all, how are the hostages have been returned hostages who have been returned doing well? doing so well? >> i have been spending the >> so i have been spending the last three days accompanying families of hostages and victims of the october seventh massacre and i can see that they're in a very fragile situation. the families of the hostages and the victims, it's a very complex situation . a lot of them have situation. a lot of them have family members who have returned from captivity after about seven weeks, but they still have

family members who have been separated from them and kept there. so while they are happy , there. so while they are happy, might be a strong word , but they might be a strong word, but they have certain relief for those who have returned . they still who have returned. they still worried sick about those who are still held captive by hamas. we saw and it's gone viral on social media. >> the image of that one female hostage who gave a look of defiance to her captors . and defiance to her captors. and many people in the jewish community sort of said that she was jew of the century for the way that she bravely sort of stared guy in the face. stared this guy in the face. she's left her husband behind, though. there's a though. so there's quite a lot of where some people of situations where some people are kind of celebrating the joy of being reunited with their loved , but then loved ones, but then experiencing pain of knowing experiencing the pain of knowing that still got family that they've still got family members held captive. members is held captive. >> yeah , like i said, joy is a >> yeah, like i said, joy is a bit of a strong word because these people are in the most unimaginable, unimaginable situation . ocean. woman situation. ocean. this woman that you've mentioned has left her husband behind. and it has

been reported that she was she didn't want to leave him . but didn't want to leave him. but hamas has been staging this, as in the most cruel way , by in the most cruel way, by setting people off with bottles of water and making it look like they've been kept in in a humane situation. but this is all an act. we must not forget that hamas, what conditions were some of the hostages held in? >> what do you know about that? >> what do you know about that? >> they're still very much >> so they're still very much unknown. we are starting to unknown. but we are starting to hear and reports. hear stories and reports. obviously, we have to be very sensitive with that because there are still held there are still people held there are still people held there at moment . we have there at the moment. we have heard from children especially who have returned that they are still whispering because they were forced to keep quiet during all of that time . people were all of that time. people were held in really difficult conditions. obviously really no medical treatment at all, no medication. some people are in needs of medical and daily medical, medical treatment, which they've not been getting . which they've not been getting. some people are elderly . yes.

some people are elderly. yes. >> well, a lot of elderly people had been held captive. i mean, holocaust survivors, women of 85, 86 years old. yeah. what what hope is there in terms of timing ? how quickly do you to timing? how quickly do you to hope repatriate some of the other hostages there ? i mean, it other hostages there? i mean, it seems to be a system where it's women and children first. it's kind of going from the most vulnerable least vulnerable to the least vulnerable to the least vulnerable . that, of course, is vulnerable. that, of course, is hugely difficult for people who've got hostages in who've got male hostages in captivity. how hopeful are captivity. but how hopeful are you that you can have these hostages returned to their homes in the next couple of weeks? i can say that this is a top priority for our government and for our people. >> we see that the people of israel have been very much supportive of this cause . and we supportive of this cause. and we feel like, you know, those people are part of our families as well. we connected as well. we feel connected to them many ways . and them in so many ways. and everyone israel are much everyone in israel are very much worried about those people. we've seen. talked about we've seen. you've talked about old people and we've seen one of the more older ladies who have

returned from captivity is still in in a critical, life threatening condition in in a hospital because she was treated poorly . so the hope is to poorly. so the hope is to release as many of them as possible . well, obviously, like possible. well, obviously, like you said, the women and children were released first. but there are there are a lot of them who are there are a lot of them who are might be younger and wounded, who got wounded during the attack and in needs of critical medical treatment . so critical medical treatment. so those are priority as well. obviously we want them all back as soon as possible. >> bring them home was, of course, the chant that we heard at the march against anti—semitism last sunday. hadaya you much for hadaya thank you very much for joining least because joining us, not least because i know got your cut know you've got your work cut out at moment. thank you for out at the moment. thank you for having well, up next, having me. well, coming up next, we're have the latest we're going to have the latest from happened from the jungle. what happened to that trial yesterday to nigel in that trial yesterday where had to shout, i'm where he had to shout, i'm a celeb and we're also going to be speaking i'm a celeb speaking to former i'm a celeb winner, katona. stay tuned winner, kerry katona. stay tuned for

welcome back to farage with me camilla tominey. our godlove. nige, i watched it last night and he was trying to get these stars off this the middle of this water tank and i was willing him on like the rest of the nation, i think. but he just couldn't hold his breath. so let's find out what exactly happened with ben who is in happened with ben leo, who is in the gold coast or on the gold coast, i should say, in australia. gb news, reporter extraordinaire, doing his bit on the ben what happened . the jungle. ben what happened. >> yeah. so he was tasked with basically dunking his head underwater water and unscrewing stars for his campmates to get meals for them. >> but he couldn't seem to hold his breath for longer than five seconds. i said on breakfast this morning, i don't know if it's anything to do with the fact he smokes like a trooper. maybe but he just couldn't do it. and it's a stark contrast to

his previous bushtucker trials where absolutely smashed where he's absolutely smashed them, whether it's downing, you know, drinks or know, disgusting drinks or eating anus or, you know, eating camel anus or, you know, everything else, he was fine with that. but as soon as it came to the water and admittedly, he did look very nervous before the trial started, he just couldn't do it. i felt very sorry for him, but this is the moment he cried defeat said, i'm defeat and said, i'm a celebrity. me out of here. celebrity. get me out of here. cover other matches that pass is that i'm a celebrity . that i'm a celebrity. >> i'm a celebrity. >> i'm a celebrity. >> get me out of here. >> get me out of here. >> he's calling it i'm a celebrity. get me out of here. stop the clock. okay. right. let's get you out of there. >> get him out. all right, knights. you all right, mate? >> okay. nigel's called it now. you . you. >> so unfortunately, nigel got zero stars, so his contribution was. was paltry , to say the was. was paltry, to say the least. he was very downbeat about it. he went back into camp and he genuinely looked gutted.

he said, i've let the side down, which gives glimpse into his which gives a glimpse into his his, you know, sort of team team player elsewhere. the player attitude elsewhere. the cavalry has arrived. nigel's daughter touched down in brisbane yesterday , ahead of the brisbane yesterday, ahead of the next week of evictions, which will start any day now. here's 18 year old daughter izzy said to reporters . i think he's been to reporters. i think he's been getting on really well and now people are seeing what he's actually like. it's been nice to see him broadly getting along with everyone, wink, wink. nella rose there's been few rose there's been a few disagreements, very much disagreements, but he very much believes and believes in shaking hands and agreeing disagree . and we've agreeing to disagree. and we've we've seen that first he's we've seen that first hand. he's a divisive character. so it's love or hate. but now it seems there's a bit of middle ground. so he's definitely won so it seems he's definitely won over kids else where i don't over his kids else where i don't know you've got pictures, know if you've got the pictures, maybe because i sent maybe not. but because i sent them but i've been them quite late. but i've been going aussie going through my own aussie punishment around here yesterday. when i did yesterday. camilla, when i did my with you at 7 pm. my broadcast with you at 7 pm. yesterday, i was getting eaten alive by sandflies eyes, which

i've had quite a strange reaction to. i've got these massive lumps which look like something rather sinister, but apparently because i'm a tourist, i'm not used to getting bitten by these flies. they've come up looking absolutely gruesome. so that's my own punishment . and yeah, as i said, punishment. and yeah, as i said, in terms of the trials and the next evictions, it all kicks off this weekend. hopefully. so, by the way , keep your eyes on the the way, keep your eyes on the phone number as well to vote for nigel you need to vote nigel because you need to vote for to stay in the camp. so for him to stay in the camp. so when have that i'm when we have that number, i'm sure will be sure gb news will be broadcasting everywhere. broadcasting it everywhere. >> i'm sure we will. ben, thank you like the you very much. i like the attempt out as attempt to make out as if working in australia been working in australia has been a real drag. and thank goodness by the those were on the way, those bites were on your and not somewhere else your legs and not somewhere else because i think we've seen enough this week from enough bottoms. this week from gb to last gb news presenters to last a lifetime. now let's bring kerry katona into the conversation. former kitten . and i'm a former atomic kitten. and i'm a celebrity winner . i former atomic kitten. and i'm a celebrity winner. i think former atomic kitten. and i'm a celebrity winner . i think kerry celebrity winner. i think kerry in 2005, 2004, a long time ago. kerry how do you think nigel's

doing ? doing? >> you know what? i've met nigel. i absolutely adore him. again, we don't always agree on everything i think he's done really well . and i think with really well. and i think with him being a big smoker, i don't think he could handle the water. but apart from that, he has done tremendous. he's always come out with the stars. he's worked really hard. he's tried his very best to get on with everybody. and when the aspen had disagreed that he hasn't understood, he's tried to educate himself on different things . and i think different things. and i think he's done really well. >> i love him . >> i love him. >> i love him. >> i love him. >> i think i might even vote for him. >> well, i hope so . i mean, we >> well, i hope so. i mean, we want lots of people to vote for him. how nerve wracking is it when you get into the second week and you know that people are voting and obviously you've got on your back? got your numbers on your back? do fear of being do you live in fear of being voted out? >> not all. to i this day, >> not at all. to i this day, i can't even i do not know how how

i won that show. i just couldn't believe it stayed till the end. i on the final believe it stayed till the end. ion the final night believe it stayed till the end. i on the final night, i just ion the final night, i just kept thinking, oh my god, i'm going home tomorrow. i'm going home tomorrow. i wasn't even bothered about winning. i just thought, going go see my thought, i'm going to go see my kid. even my kid. winning wasn't even in my head day. i can't head to this day. i can't believe it lasted that long. >> yeah, but you won because you were charming and amusing and you everyone. and you got on with everyone. and you got on with everyone. and you to watch. i mean, you were fun to watch. i mean, it is an opportunity, isn't it, for people to show a different side themselves? you think side to themselves? do you think nigel's doing side to themselves? do you think i\mean, doing side to themselves? do you think i\mean, obviously doing side to themselves? do you think i\mean, obviously she'sing side to themselves? do you think i\mean, obviously she's either i mean, obviously she's either loved or hated by the general public. and actually maybe people have seen the real nigel dunng people have seen the real nigel during this series. yeah i definitely think there's a newfound respect for nigel massively . massively. >> you know, he is just a human being. he's a man. he's a dad. he's trying his hardest. he's a team player. he can clearly see he's a team player. he's trying to keep everybody happy . he to keep everybody happy. he doesn't want to let anybody down. and i think definitely,

yeah , i mean, i never went in yeah, i mean, i never went in that for people to see a different side of me . every time different side of me. every time i do a show like that, i just think, 0h i do a show like that, i just think, oh my god, what a great adventure. you know ? so i think adventure. you know? so i think when you do shows like this, for a lot of people who go on there, you've just got to be yourself because the public will see right it. so i think right through it. so i think he's being himself and i'm loving little bottom clips loving those little bottom clips that we keep seeing. and we have a little poster on my wall of nigel's bottom. >> you might be alone on that one, kerry look, talking about perhaps a different perhaps showing a different side of yourself. understanding is of yourself. my understanding is now doing of now that you're doing lots of different and you're different things and you're actually doing really well on onlyfans, tell us a little bit about that. >> oh, that's nigel. that's nigel. you, i really nigel. i'll tell you, i really i think you're giving away a bit too much there. >> goodness me . but it's proving >> goodness me. but it's proving to be lucrative for you. >> kerry yes , it has. >> kerry yes, it has. >> kerry yes, it has. >> you know, i started off as a glamour model. you know, i don't do anything on there that i don't do on a beach. you know what annoys me with the stigma

around onlyfans is people are very willing to go pay very quick and willing to go pay a to watch something a ticket to go watch something with kidman and tom with nicole kidman and tom cruise shut. and cruise and eyes wide shut. and that's classed as a bit of art. darling let's give you an oscar and pay you tens millions of and pay you tens of millions of pounds and you know, and show a bit of nipple. my god, bit of a nipple. oh, my god, you're disgrace. take your you're a disgrace. take your kids away from you. you know, i started to do nuts and started i used to do nuts and zoo fhm and that's not zoo and fhm and that's not around anymore. so i could go on around anymore. so i could go on a beach topless building sandcastles with my kids and perhaps will get a picture of it. and i made no money. so you know, look, i wasn't going to be a rocket scientist, was i? so i'm using what i was given . i'm using what i was given. >> well, it wasn't your band, but i'd like to say girl power to you. thank you very much, kerry, for joining to you. thank you very much, kerry, forjoining us this kerry, for joining us this evening and sharing it all with us. coming up is us. well, coming up next is state nation with jacob state of the nation with jacob rees—mogg . jacob, what's coming 7 up. up? >> what's coming up? we're going to be talking about cop 28 and everybody flying off in private jets and 3000 people being there i >> -- >> three different private jets.

cameron in one, rishi in another. and then the king in a third. i mean, is that right? >> well, i think the king deserves his own jet, but you would have thought the prime minister secretary minister and foreign secretary might have been able to, though. >> warrior. >> the king is an eco warrior. he be travelling. he's a he should be travelling. he's a commercial airline. >> king. do what >> he's the king. he can do what he likes. there be so he likes. but there will be so much air produced and it's much hot air produced and it's all about bossing us all actually about bossing us about by unelected, unaccountable people. 70,000 people going on some great shindig to make less well—off people poorer and i people poorer and colder. i think this is all bonkers. it's completely bonkers . completely bonkers. >> we spoke to >> and actually, we spoke to that activist earlier, that climate activist earlier, and this report has found that the people who are most the most people who are most adversely by climate adversely affected by climate change those in change are, of course, those in china who don't seem china and india who don't seem to any action at all to take any action at all compared brits. compared to the brits. >> also energy usage >> well, but also energy usage makes people more comfortable. so the standard of living in china and india has been rising dramatically, basically because they've access to more they've had access to more energy, more energy in the energy, used more energy in the last or 30 years. and why last 20 or 30 years. and why should we condemn them to poverty and discomfort and not allow the standard

allow them to reach the standard of living that we've reached, which requires of energy. which requires lots of energy. >> 28 and then very >> so cop 28 and then very quickly, else you looking? >> we're also going to >> well, we're also going to be talking ability of talking about the ability of getting pints of champagne. getting back pints of champagne. >> i know you like >> wow. well, i know you like drinking champagne out of tanker. >> you're quite right. which is a tanker. a pint sized tanker. >> think i'm joking? i've >> you think i'm joking? i've actually jacob drinking actually seen jacob drinking champagne we'd champagne out of a tankard. we'd better there. we're better leave it there. we're very forward to very much looking forward to your thank you for having your show. thank you for having me this week. i've thoroughly enjoyed nigel. enjoyed covering for nigel. don't got my own don't forget, i've got my own show morning, a.m, show sunday morning, 9:30 am, when ministers. when i'll be grilling ministers. what's love first, here's what's not to love first, here's the weather. >> like things are heating >> looks like things are heating up. boilers, sponsors of up. boxed boilers, sponsors of weather on . gb news good evening. >> welcome to your latest gb news weather update from the met office friday is going to be another dry day for many of us, but it will be feeling very cold once again with potentially some freezing start and some freezing fog to start and some snow showers. we've seen snow as a result of this frontal system bumping into the cold air across parts of south—west. that

parts of the south—west. that will away throughout the will clear away throughout the course the night. but it will course of the night. but it will leave with it some a risk of ice on roads across parts of on the roads across parts of devon and cornwall. there's also a risk of some ice across the north—east of england, as well as areas of as many eastern areas of scotland as a result of the snow showers. you could also see some icy across of icy stretches across parts of northern ireland. so it'll be another very cold start tomorrow morning. we could be as low as minus seven, minus eight. once again. be some again. there'll also be some freezing patches across many freezing fog patches across many central eastern areas. these central and eastern areas. these could be quite slow to clear. there'll be some showers there'll also be some showers starting to come in across parts of suffolk. we could see some sleepiness within this as well, but for many of us it will be a dry day with some winter sunshine. but temperatures still really struggling , 2 or really struggling, 2 or 3 degrees at best in many places. and then saturday is going to start on a very cold note. we could be down as low as minus double digits, some crisp sunshine to be had mostly across north eastern areas, this time with showers moving in from the

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gb news. >> hello , good evening. it's me, >> hello, good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nafion jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation tonight. today marks the beginning of the jet set cop 28, where world leaders among 70,000in total, including british ones, fly into, in this case, dubai via private jet to tell you why you aren't doing enough to save the environment. but as ever, this is just another example of how we have lent sovereignty to unelected and unaccountable institute actions. oh, and more trouble

for the home office as it emerges that a scandalous 17,000 migrants have vamoosed while a senior civil servant confesses that there is no plan b if the rwanda plan fails in spite of the home secretary's remark that the home secretary's remark that the policy wasn't the be all and end all of the government's migration policy , a foreign migration policy, a foreign policy titan of the 20th and 21st century dies not long after marking a century on this earth . marking a century on this earth. henry kissinger is dead at the age of 100, and the debate over his legacy begins. some say an intellectual hero who helped navigate the west through the cold but others say he was cold war. but others say he was a war criminal. plus it's been more than 50 years since the sad day when 240 pennies to the pound became 100. but now we're free from the tyrannical metric system of the eu. is it time to start selling pints of wine and champagne on state of the nation starts now .

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