ina in a few moments time, laza. in a few moments time, we'll be covering the latest on the pro—palestine demonstrations which are taking place for the eighth week in a row. that's following the end to the ceasefire in gaza . but before we ceasefire in gaza. but before we get started, let's get your latest news with . aaron latest news with. aaron >> very good afternoon to you. it is 3:00. aaron armstrong here in the gb newsroom. temperatures could drop to —12 tonight in parts of scotland after heavy snow saw flights disrupted at glasgow airport. a fresh weather warnings for snow and ice are in place from 6:00 this evening and they'll last until midday tomorrow. for many parts of the uk , two fa cup ties in england uk, two fa cup ties in england and ii uk, two fa cup ties in england and 11 matches in scotland. the league matches have been postponed. today's racing fixture at newcastle was also abandoned and however the good news meteorologist john hammond says temperatures won't says the cold temperatures won't last long. >> the focus of the cold shifting northwards, something a bit milder, trying to push in from the south. >> but then the cold air sweeps

back south again later on monday into tuesday. we're not into tuesday. so we're not waving to this cold waving goodbye to this cold spell just yet. i think through waving goodbye to this cold spe middle et. i think through waving goodbye to this cold spe middle of i think through waving goodbye to this cold spe middle of the|ink through waving goodbye to this cold spe middle of the week, rough the middle of the week, potentially frost potentially further severe frost . and then later on this week into next weekend, a complete transformation. it's going to turn mild, wet , windy, soggy transformation. it's going to turn mild, wet, windy, soggy and horrible . horrible. >> a british soldier has been killed in kenya. the ministry of defence has confirmed major kevin mccool died while off duty on wednesday. the 32 year old had served in europe, the middle east, the falklands and africa. defence secretary grant shapps has described him as an exceptional person and an exceptional person and an exceptional soldier . an 84 year exceptional soldier. an 84 year old man has died following a huge house explosion in edinburgh. the blast, which happenedin edinburgh. the blast, which happened in the baberton area last night, was heard from several miles away . a 43 year several miles away. a 43 year old woman and a 54 year old man were hospital while were taken to hospital while a number of neighbouring properties were also evacuated. police there are no police say there are no suspicious and suspicious circumstances and a gofundme page has been set up to

help raise money for the family. 46 men have been charged following clashes in birmingham on thursday night. the following clashes in birmingham on thursday night . the violence on thursday night. the violence erupted ahead of aston villa's match against legia warsaw. erupted ahead of aston villa's match against legia warsaw . west match against legia warsaw. west midlands police says five officers were injured with missiles were thrown by visiting fans. missiles were thrown by visiting fans . 43 people were charged fans. 43 people were charged with a public order offence, two with a public order offence, two with assault and another with possession of a knife. the disorder began on when several poush disorder began on when several polish fans were told they wouldn't be allowed into the stadium . a week of travel stadium. a week of travel disruption for rail passengers has begun as train drivers continue to strike over pay and no east midlands trains are running today. there's a limited service between london and scotland . separately, an scotland. separately, an overtime ban across all services in england until next weekend will cause further chaos . aslef will cause further chaos. aslef members have voted to continue taking industrial action for the next six months. the rail delivery group says they should accept an 8% pay offer, but the shadow culture secretary says the government needs to start negotiating strikes, help .

negotiating strikes, help. >> none of us know the working people who want to get to work, people who want to get to work, people who want to get to work, people who want to get to visit family and friends. it's really important that these strikes are settled as possible and settled as soon as possible and i hope that the i really hope that the government and unions government and the unions can negotiate a fair negotiate that. and a fair settlement soon they can. settlement as soon as they can. the united states says it will not permit the forced relocation of from gaza or the of palestinians from gaza or the west bank under any circumstance i >> -- >> us vice president kamala harris comments came on the sidelines of the cop 28 climate summit . she also says summit in dubai. she also says the us won't allow the besiegement of gaza or any redrawing of the borders. meanwhile israel's confirmed several trucks carrying humanitarian aid have entered the strip for the first time since the truce collapsed yesterday. the fighting continues . boris johnson is continues. boris johnson is expected to admit he made mistakes during the pandemic when he appears before the covid inquiry next week . the former inquiry next week. the former prime minister will, however , prime minister will, however, argue government the big argue his government got the big decisions . times decisions right. the times is claiming say he helped claiming he will say he helped save tens, if not hundreds of thousands lives by preventing

thousands of lives by preventing the being overwhelmed . the nhs from being overwhelmed. some of his senior staff, though, already given though, have already given evidence criticised evidence and they've criticised his indecision poor his indecision and poor leadership . and the guinness leadership. and the guinness storehouse in dublin has won the world's best tourist attraction award of 2023. listen to listen to some of the names that it beat the niagara falls, the great wall of china and machu picchu in peru . the storehouse picchu in peru. the storehouse also got an award for best beer tour visitor experience for the second year in a row. visitors are allowed to pull a pint, and they're also allowed to learn about the company's history. but the main attraction is the gravity on roof . this is gravity bar on the roof. this is gb news on tv , on digital radio, gb news on tv, on digital radio, and on your smart speaker, too. now it's back to nana . now it's back to nana. >> thank you, aaron. it's fast approaching. six minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana now. coming up, the people's channel. i'm nana now. coming up , the ceasefire in now. coming up, the ceasefire in gaza has ended in israel as

israel restarts their campaign against hamas whilst in london. more pro—police sydney demonstrators are taking to the streets again. it's eight weeks now. they've been doing it for the eighth week in a row, plus, we'll be speaking to uri geller in tel aviv for an update on what's on ground. what's happening on the ground. stay climate stay tuned at 320, it's climate control, an aviation breakthrough this week virgin breakthrough this week as virgin atlantic flight from atlantic takes flight from london to new york, using 100% sustainable jet fuel could this be the future? then later this houn be the future? then later this hour, a new strain of swine flu has been recorded in yorkshire, butits has been recorded in yorkshire, but its origin is not yet known. i'll be speaking to virology doctor chris smith very shortly and stay tuned for my political spotlight. claire fox is in the seat this week. cop 28 the crisis in the middle east and the covid inquiry will be chatting all about that. that's on the way in the next hour. tell me what you think of everything we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet . gb news. but first,

tweet me at. gb news. but first, israel's renewed bombardment of gazais israel's renewed bombardment of gaza is continuing for a second day after a seventh temporary ceasefire expired. now, both sides now blame each other for the violence restarting here, propelling demonstrators are taking to the streets for the eighth week. that's in a row. they're calling for a permanent ceasefire in the conflict. i can now speak to gb news political correspondent olivia hartley. olivia, you're there at the pro—palestinian rally. it seems quite quiet where you are. it has it been busy ? well yeah. has it been busy? well yeah. >> i mean, it's very different from previous weeks. today, there isn't a main central london march of the kind we've seen over the past couple of months. there are 13 different smaller rallies in different boroughs across london. i'm here at the tower hamlets one, and as you say , it's pretty quiet. it's you say, it's pretty quiet. it's due to start at 3:00. there are a few people behind me. i've just been into the venue. there are maybe 50 to 100 people

there. the venue can seat 500 people. so by nowhere, nowhere near at capacity, very , very near at capacity, very, very different tone. there are very few police officers here. we spoke to a couple who said that they weren't expecting a huge disruption session. they were expecting to be joined by a couple more later, but nothing like the kind of police operation we have seen in previous weeks . it's difficult previous weeks. it's difficult to get a straight answer out of the organisers about why these the organisers about why these the big central london rallies have turned into these much smaller meet ups around london. and it could be because there is a bit of fatigue setting in among pro—palestinian marchers who've now been out on the streets eight weeks running. who've now been out on the strehaven'teight weeks running. who've now been out on the strehaven't got: weeks running. who've now been out on the strehaven't got that. (s running. who've now been out on the strehaven't got that. this1ning. who've now been out on the strehaven't got that. this is ng. who've now been out on the strehaven't got that. this is me we haven't got that. this is me reading the lines. we reading between the lines. we haven't answer haven't got a straight answer out of them. could be that the cold is turning a few more people away one way or the other. it's must be quite a relief for the met police who've been pushing a lot of money and a lot of resources into policing these marches in the centre of london, something like this is

much to manage and much easier to manage and obviously because it's a sort of more indoors occasion now are we getting the usual sort of from the river to the sea sort of thing? >> and the thing that we've become accustomed to hearing , or become accustomed to hearing, or are hearing more of them are we hearing more of them calling for even hamas to surrender ? well at the moment, surrender? well at the moment, it's actually just very, very quiet. >> people only just started turning up before i came live. i haven't seen any of the sort of chanting that we've seen in previous weeks. it could be perhaps that all of the calls for peace in london are beginning to hit home. there's due to be a vigil for peace in downing street tomorrow, where all faiths are due to gather together and condemn the violence s on both sides. although i've been on a few social media groups at the moment and there are quite a few predominantly muslim social media groups who are actually calling on muslims not to attend the rally tomorrow. they say that it's the moment to

that it's not the moment to engage dialogue with engage in dialogue with zionists, so it'll be interesting to see how that how that event out tomorrow. that event turns out tomorrow. for things are for now, though, things are quiet, things are peaceful. let's hope it holds well. >> yeah , let's hope so. olivia >> yeah, let's hope so. olivia utley, much . good utley, thank you very much. good to to you. stay warm . to talk to you. stay warm. there's no such thing as cold. it's clothing. that's there's no such thing as cold. it's they clothing. that's there's no such thing as cold. it's they say. othing. that's there's no such thing as cold. it's they say. you1g. that's there's no such thing as cold. it's they say. you look|at's there's no such thing as cold. it's they say. you look good. what they say. you look good. thank let's cross thank you. right, let's cross live to tel aviv and get some analysis from mystifier uri geller. there with me now. geller. he's there with me now. uri thank you so much for joining me again. uri, you look like you're about to be run over by a little orange beetle behind you. it's a great shot . you. it's a it's a great shot. but how is everything that wait , but how is everything that wait, let me explain. >> the beetle. the beetle is my first car. that i bought in 1963. so even even i can even switch. i can switch on the lamps. there you go . lamps. there you go. >> is it real? it looks like it's a picture, but it's not a picture. it's actually real. >> oh, it's a real car. yeah, i. i salvaged it . >> oh, it's a real car. yeah, i. i salvaged it. i found it

refurbished it. and there it is in my museum . but look at nana. in my museum. but look at nana. you know, going back to .israel, the situation, we're back fighting unfortunate . but i want fighting unfortunate. but i want your viewers to understand clearly what caused this. you know, both sides are saying something different, but we had a ceasefire with hamas, but it was hamas, not israel, which broke it. hamas fired rockets at israel during the ceasefire and also failed to give israel a list of hostages. it was meant to release. so israel is not going to sit on its hands while it's being attacked with rockets and while the hostages are still being held. you know, just 40 minutes ago, i want to show you, i was watching football in my living room and this is what what happened? look missiles fly in city by city. this is 40 minutes ago. missiles missed

tiles. you know, we simply we cannot we can't live like that now, so far , as a result of the now, so far, as a result of the pressure, israel has put on hamas, 110 hostages have been release just so the war is getting results. but there are still 137 hostages still held by hamas. now, if hamas wants to end the war, all it needs to do, all it needs to do is release the hostages. hostages >> yeah, that's the thing we've just lost. hopefully we'll be able to bring him back. but he makes a good point, doesn't he, that they did start it. they were in a ceasefire. and i know from conversations with yuri that actually there were rockets coming from gaza well before october the 7th. and that's one of the reasons why they have the iron also , i think iron dome and also, i think it's important that if important to remember that if israel did not have the iron dome, then it would look somewhat like gaza. so that is thatis somewhat like gaza. so that is that is something that i think people don't really sort of keep

reminding themselves of. i want to go back live to olivia now because hopefully things are it'll be interesting to see what what what the word is on the street with regard to the pro—palestinian street with regard to the pro—paleolivia,i street with regard to the pro—paleolivia, it looks like whether olivia, it looks like it's getting slightly busier. i just wondered, you know, in terms of these marches , because terms of these marches, because you mentioned the one tomorrow and you said that there were things on forums saying that muslims shouldn't that. muslims shouldn't go to that. now, tomorrow's march . you now, tomorrow's march. can you tell bit about tell us a bit more about tomorrow's march, which. >> well, it's a vigil in downing street. organiser used by representatives from all different faiths who say that it's different faiths who say that wsfime different faiths who say that it's time for everyone to come together and to call for peace. it's seemingly a pretty uncontroversial march. jemima goldsmith has written about it in the independent. she was married to imran khan, the former prime minister of pakistan. he's a muslim . she's pakistan. he's a muslim. she's got jewish heritage . and she got jewish heritage. and she says that she has been the victim of both islamophobia and anti semitism. so she is she is

calling for this this march , calling for this this march, this this gathering for peace , this this gathering for peace, this it'll be really interesting to see what happens tomorrow . to see what happens tomorrow. will it have the sort of attendance that some of these pro—palestinian rallies have had, or will it be that people from particular faiths choose to stay away? it remains to be seen. there is, as you say here, a bit more of a crowd gathering. they're waiting to hear from jeremy corbyn, who is due to speak a little bit later on. we've been trying to catch him, but he might but we suspect that he might have the back have gone through the back entrance instead . entrance instead. >> stuff. >> hmm. interesting stuff. olivia, thank you very much. good to up you. good to catch up with you. olivia utley there at a march. let's get back to eureka's live in tel aviv. hopefully we've got him back . let's see if you're him back. let's see if you're there . yeah, great. oh, we've there. yeah, great. oh, we've lost him again. i think we're going to have to leave her. that's such a shame, because we always like to catch up with her. listen, we will do her. listen, we will if we do get we'll try get him back briefly. we'll try and him back to you. and bring him back to you. otherwise much otherwise stay tuned. so much more here on gb you're more here on gb news. you're with me. nana this with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb approaching.

gb news. it's fast approaching. 15 we're 15 minutes after 3:00. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. still to come, baroness claire fox is in the political hot seat this week. she's going to be talking to us about cop 28, the covid inquiry, which seems to be dragging on and on. boris will be speaking, i think on tuesday, actually, i think, on tuesday, actually, and out what he has and we'll find out what he has to say. apparently, he's going to say. apparently, he's going to rising. but first, to be apology rising. but first, let's update your let's get an update with your latest weather. >> hello, welcome to your latest gb news weather. i'm ellie glazier . after gb news weather. i'm ellie glazier. after a very cold couple of days for most of us, it looks something little it looks like something a little bit on the way the bit milder is on the way in the south of the uk through the weekend. this area low weekend. this area of low pressure southwest. pressure out to the southwest. gradually towards but gradually moves towards us. but for now , low for the here and now, low pressure in charge, bringing various systems the various frontal systems to the west uk and bringing some west of the uk and bringing some showers those showers showers as well. those showers will from the west, will push in from the west, perhaps turning wintry over the hills parts of hills of wales and parts of northwest as well. but hills of wales and parts of norpartst as well. but hills of wales and parts of norpartst scotland, well. but hills of wales and parts of norpartst scotland, northern: for parts of scotland, northern ireland and the southeast generally staying dry with some clear overnight could clear skies overnight and could lead to some mist and freezing fog clear skies

fog under those clear skies turning cold. we could see turning very cold. we could see —8 —1o turning very cold. we could see —8 —10 across parts of —8 or —10 across parts of scotland perhaps, perhaps scotland perhaps, but perhaps just touch milder across the just a touch milder across the south—west to recent south—west compared to recent nights. we start on sunday, nights. as we start on sunday, those showers could bring some icy to many, icy stretches to many, particularly across the central swathe uk. but those swathe of the uk. but those showers the southwest showers across the southwest continue to their way north continue to push their way north and as we through and eastwards as we go through into afternoon, perhaps into sunday afternoon, perhaps turning times and turning heavy at times and wintry over the hills across parts of wales and northern england. scotland, england. parts of scotland, though staying drier england. parts of scotland, thotare staying drier england. parts of scotland, thotare definitely staying drier england. parts of scotland, thotare definitely feeling drier england. parts of scotland, thotare definitely feeling cold, but are definitely feeling cold, some perhaps staying below some parts perhaps staying below freezing sunday freezing through sunday afternoon. still milder afternoon. however still milder again across the south—west and into monday. further rain pushes its way south and eastwards as we go monday afternoon. we go into monday afternoon. again there could be wintry again there could be some wintry elements across parts of wales again there could be some wintry elen northern oss parts of wales again there could be some wintry elen northern england,of wales again there could be some wintry elennorthern england, but/ales and northern england, but staying dry still across parts of scotland northern of scotland and northern ireland. continues to ireland. that rain continues to clear its way through monday, leaving drier colder day leaving a drier but colder day on wednesday right . on tuesday and wednesday right. >> well, that's your weather. let's cross live again. let's get hold of uri again. he's a mystifier. he's there in israel. uri. so your final thoughts

before go break. uri before we go to a break. uri >> okay. well, i was saying that the people who were abducted were innocent people. they were not. you know, there are civil uens not. you know, there are civil liens and there are two to babies still there . there's a babies still there. there's a baby. i mean, if listen, nana honestly , if a baby would have honestly, if a baby would have been kidnapped in the uk and nine months old baby , i mean, nine months old baby, i mean, you would have a million people outside in the streets protesting and you will send the sas to get them out. this is actually shocking. babies are being held as hostages. these are my last words. >> listen, it's so sad. i mean, people might argue there's a lot of people dying in gaza as well. but as you said, hamas needs to release the hostages in. this would stop. uri geller would all stop. uri geller always, talk to always, always good to talk to you. you so much. you take you. thank you so much. you take care. thank you. next week, that's geller . care. thank you. next week, that's geller. he's in that's uri geller. he's live in tel aviv. you're with me. i'm nana akua. we're live tv , nana akua. we're live on tv, onune nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. coming the first case of the

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channel. i'm nana akua. it's just fast approaching. 22 minutes after 3:00 and we are live on tv, online and on digital radio. and it's time for climate control . we unpick some climate control. we unpick some of the debate around the climate. so while global warming talks have been underway this week in dubai at cop 28, the first aircraft with 100% sustainable jet fuel took flight from london heathrow to new york. previous flights have had a 50% sustainable fuel. but following this success, there are hopes that the transport sector will be able to decarbonise travel in the future . but does it mark a new frontier in sustainable aviation? we'll also talk weather. i'm joined now to discuss ice with meteorologists and social commentator jim dale and social commentatorjim dale and social commentatorjim dale and also climate and scientist paul burgess. paul, i want to start with you. let's talk aviation now. this this bio fuel is it a good move? everyone's sort of talking about it as though it's a fantastic advancement. it's not. >> let me give you an example. >> let me give you an example. >> if you take europe, how much biofuel uses, it uses land biofuel it uses, it uses a land mass bigger than the whole

island ireland north island of ireland that's north and together . i island of ireland that's north and together. i think it's and south together. i think it's 9.6 million hectares. so that's how much land you need. currently to supply biofuel currently to supply the biofuel being supplied to europe. that currently to supply the biofuel beingifupplied to europe. that currently to supply the biofuel beingif it plied to europe. that currently to supply the biofuel beingif it wasi to europe. that currently to supply the biofuel beingif it was justeurope. that currently to supply the biofuel beingif it was just left)e. that currently to supply the biofuel beingif it was just left as that land, if it was just left as vegetation , would actually have vegetation, would actually have twice the co2 reduction of the biofuels. >> oh, i get it. >> oh, i get it. >> so that's number one. >> so that's number one. >> number two, that land, if it was made into crops used, would feed 120 million people. and in actual fact, the oxfam, the oxfam climate, i think julie somebody oxfam person said it's a crime to use biofuel, but they're using chip fat, though. >> so he was using chip fat and stuff like that. oil so vegetable oil, waste products , vegetable oil, waste products, nothing wrong in using reusing waste. >> that's just natural conservation and housekeeping. nothing wrong. totally support that. but you can't use that for aeroplanes. so what you'd end up with is this you'd end up with a transatlantic flight. and my research around about $500 or £500 more per flight per ticket , £500 more per flight per ticket, and you'd actually be doing away with vast swathes of the planet

making fuel. it is a ridiculous proposition and it's virtue signalling . signalling. >> jim dale i kind of think it's a little bit of a gimmick actually. >> i you know, i don't wish to disagree on this one. i think any any trial if you've got purpose behind it, if there is science behind it and if that's going to go forward, then fine. any thing is good to try. >> i think that's what scientists do . scientists do. >> there's no problem with that. but but i don't know. i mean, i'm going to ask paul what do you think? what do you think the reason is for virgin atlantic doing this? >> do you pure virtue signalling? >> i mean, the whole the whole of what we're going through now with everything is with copper and everything is pure virtue signalling and that's different subject. no, that's a different subject. no, no, “0, that's a different subject. no, no, no, no, no, no, no. it's i mean, no, no, no, no. >> i'll do i'll do that. >> i'll do i'll do that. >> i'll do i'll do that. >> i can bring up my first graph that can be brought up. >> well let's the first >> well let's put up the first paups >> well let's put up the first paul's graph. he's got paul's first graph. he's got a graph yeah. and we said graph here. yeah. and so we said that promised to put him on

that we promised to put him on the screen. >> same point. >> the same point. >> the same point. >> see. coming >> so let's see. it's coming up. keep so does that keep talking. so what does that mean? that? what is that? >> that is the co2 growth. it's the international accepted. it's at top of hawaii at the lower top of hawaii mountain. everyone at the lower top of hawaii mounta when everyone at the lower top of hawaii mounta when you everyone at the lower top of hawaii mounta when you say eryone at the lower top of hawaii mounta when you say 418 ne at the lower top of hawaii mounta when you say 418 parts quotes. when you say 418 parts per but but it per million now. but but it someone has plotted on tony heller plotted heller actually has plotted on all the different climate conferences that make no difference . if you look at the difference. if you look at the curve, it's curving like difference. if you look at the curveco2 curving like difference. if you look at the curveco2 ierving like difference. if you look at the curveco2 is increasing ke that. co2 is increasing enormously that way, and it makes no difference at all. what they're meeting cop they're doing are meeting in cop 28 with 70,000 representatives is not at all. this graph proves it and what i put on there is a famous saying insanity is something like repeating the same thing many times over and expecting a different result. that's what is. that's what cop is. >> well, what you think, jim? >> well, what do you think, jim? they're that cop. they're they're all that cop. they're flying. they're they're going flying. they're they're going flying. private jets, flying. they're by private jets, a of them. i think we've got a lot of them. i think we've got three going. got rishi in his jet. the king his jet. you've got the king in his jet. you've got the king in his jet. and think you've got jet. and i think you've got david got altogether. >> would been nice, >> that would have been nice, wouldn't >> that would have been nice, wotwell, but but i suppose their >> well, but but i suppose their thoughts are anything thoughts are if anything happens, your prime happens, you've lost your prime minister well minister your king and well david cameron. >> okay. yeah look, i take that

i that. i do take that. >> but in terms of having the cops, there cops, they're there for a reason. and especially the paris one of years ago with one of several years ago with the agreement. behind one of several years ago with the scenesgreement. behind one of several years ago with the scenes particularly, behind one of several years ago with the scenes particularly, beh do the scenes particularly, they do arrive consensus stuff you arrive at consensus stuff you don't necessarily see. i think there was something that came don't necessarily see. i think the|today something that came don't necessarily see. i think the|today to mething that came don't necessarily see. i think the|today to sayhing that came don't necessarily see. i think the|today to say that that came don't necessarily see. i think the|today to say that the came out today to say that the petrochemical industry, 50 of them, were going to going to limit the methane in emissions. >> so a little bit by bit, i think for the right direction . think for the right direction. but i think the point is, number one, those that co2 is still going up on poles graph. it's going up on poles graph. it's going up on poles graph. it's going up like almost like the idea. so that's that's that's the wrong direction . the wrong direction. >> say it's the wrong direction. and a lot of people would say that c02 and a lot of people would say that co2 going up isn't a bad thing. >> it's not a bad thing because more co2 doesn't it's not the control climate. it control knob of the climate. it actually know we actually shows. i know we disagree that. yeah, it shows actually shows. i know we disetemperature. yeah, it shows actually shows. i know we disetemperature profile it shows actually shows. i know we disetemperature profile because the temperature profile because i've got a chart. >> they can put one up >> if they can put that one up showing the temperature profile, let's put it up globally across the you'll what's the world and you'll see what's happened we'll

happened in 2023. i think we'll probably all aware of that. anybody hasn't noticed anybody who hasn't noticed what's on the on what's been going on on the on the climate. there we go. so the red is 2023 compared to red one is 2023 compared to every other year in past. >> i mean it just can i just >> i mean it just can ijust make a an absolute we had the tonga eruption in 20 last year which put about 10 or 12% more. i don't think more, more, more water vapour in the atmosphere, which is a huge greenhouse gas. so you have to allow for that. that's why climate is not about the year two. it's about the year or two. it's about a long i keep saying this long time. i keep saying this and underneath blue is and underneath that the blue is the long time. >> let's make that absolutely clear. >> go back. so how long does that can't see it from that i can't quite see it from here, i it's back to. here, but i think it's back to. >> know it's to >> yeah, i know it's back to back 18 somethings, isn't back to the 18 somethings, isn't it? 1840, 1850 18 of that nature. >> yeah . so how many years is >> yeah. so how many years is 18505. what >> yeah. so how many years is 1850s. what is that . 1850s. what is that. >> well that's modern, that's modern meteorology. >> measure these things. >> that's we've done and >> that's how we've done it. and before ice before then, tree rings, ice cores, samples, etcetera . cores, soil samples, etcetera. >> what geologists do. >> that's what geologists do. >> that's what geologists do. >> also depend on >> but doesn't it also depend on where you take tree ring where you take the tree ring from the soil sample from or the soil sample or doesn't really depend?

doesn't it really depend? and so the you can sort of the fact is that you can sort of extrapolate from that data to a degree. of course, consider. so for if you're taking for example, if you're taking the something the temperature of something and you airport, you take it at an airport, you have that you've have to acknowledge that you've taken an airport and taken it at an airport and therefore that is spurious calculation. >> i think geologists and climatology think about climatology ists do think about these eminent these things. they are eminent people. they've got qualification and that's why they do what they do. that's how they do what they do. that's how they arrive at these these charts. >> they don't know. >> they don't know. >> i'll give you an example. the connollys of great connollys are a family of great scientists in ireland, in dublin, and willie sunak, dublin, and with willie sunak, who's a climate scientist. did a survey of european weather stations . of all the hundreds stations. of all the hundreds they surveyed , and a lot of the they surveyed, and a lot of the station gets hidden by people all they could get hold of. 75% of them had hinted at an urban heat island. in other words , the heat island. in other words, the station was there. in station was there. day one in a field, then the town grew field, and then the town grew and grew. and we've got ridiculous situations in america where you end with where you end up with a temperature station surrounded by car park that by cars and a car park that years was in a field. so the years ago was in a field. so the urban heat island effect is what we're you might as

we're measuring. you might as well measuring well start measuring temperatures putting a two temperatures by putting a two bar fire in your lounge bar electric fire in your lounge and measuring bar electric fire in your lounge ancit1easuring bar electric fire in your lounge ancit doesn'tg bar electric fire in your lounge ancit doesn't work that. >> it doesn't work like that. paul >> e work. el work. >> it does work. i was in charge. i in of charge. i was in charge of climate stations for wales. >> meteorologist, i see >> as a meteorologist, i see where are located. where these things are located. >> call aberporth or >> you can't call aberporth or aviemore, example. >> you can't call aberporth or aviemorevery example. >> you can't call aberporth or aviemorevery ruralple. >> you can't call aberporth or aviemorevery rural stations. >> very, very rural stations. >> very, very rural stations. >> can't say that they are >> you can't say that they are in the block as , say, in the same block as, say, heathrow airport. >> and that is taken into consideration. >> you on that, >> would you agree on that, though, though? he's though, don't you, though? he's saying saying? saying what you're saying? that's i'm saying that that's right. i'm saying that there a diverse range, a there is a diverse range, a diverse , and the graph diverse range, and the graph doesn't go up like the face of the eye, just simply because we just taking it from heathrow airport or coningsby or pick another airport, you know, it doesn't work like that . doesn't work like that. >> these these are extrapolated from from stations i deal with the died this and the sea as well . well. >> i deal with the detail of this i can forward you this. i can i can forward you the scientific papers or the surveys on these etcetera . and surveys on these etcetera. and there's no doubt at all we are recording the urban. i'll give you a perfect example. so bad was america so bad they was this in america so bad they set up what's called the

standard network. the standard reference network. the standard reference network. the standard reference network are the 100 perfect climate stations. i agree. perfect. even triple redundancy. the whole we all agree. great set up in 2005. yes that is going to be now the measurement of the change in temperature for north america . temperature for north america. do you know what? no warming at all since then. but that's the problem . problem. >> if you had one location, >> if you just had one location, say, airport, been say, heathrow airport, it's been there years . the there for donkey's years. the graph goes upwards. no no, graph still goes upwards. no no, you use them at all. you can't use them at all. >> nothing's changed. it has >> nothing's changed. no, it has actually right. actually all right. the temperature heathrow temperature graph. heathrow airport in the 1940s was very different airport today. >> well, that's the point . >> well, that's the point. listen, you two, you can come back for another one in about half because we're going half an hour because we're going to more on that. to be discussing more on that. that is, of course, jim dale, meteorologist and social commentator, meteorologist and social comrazntator, meteorologist and social comra climate scientist. well, he's a climate scientist. well, if just it's just if you just tuned in, it's just gone 3:30. this is gb news live on tv online and on digital radio on the way. claire fox will join me in the studio. she'll be in the political hot seat political spotlight. she'll be in the political hot seatfirst, olitical spotlight. she'll be in the political hot seatfirst, olitic get potlight. she'll be in the political hot seatfirst, olitic get your|ht. she'll be in the political hot seatfirst, olitic get your latest but first, let's get your latest headunes but first, let's get your latest headlines addison .

headlines with ray addison. >> thanks, nana. good afternoon. it's 330. our top stories, flights have been delayed and sporting events postponed amid freezing conditions across the country. >> temperatures could drop to —12 tonight in parts of scotland after heavy snow led to disruption at glasgow airport. two fa cup games in england , two fa cup games in england, along with 11 scottish league matches , have been called off matches, have been called off with all racing fixtures at newcastle. a abandoned due to frozen ground where the warnings for snow and ice are in place from 6:00 pm. this evening until midday tomorrow . for many parts midday tomorrow. for many parts of the uk , the ministry of of the uk, the ministry of defence has confirmed a british soldier, major kevin mccall, has been killed in kenya while off duty. the 32 year old who served in africa , europe and the middle in africa, europe and the middle east died on wednesday. defence secretary grant shapps has described him as an exceptional person and soldier.

described him as an exceptional person and soldier . an 84 year person and soldier. an 84 year old man has died following a massive house explosion in edinburgh. a 43 year old woman and a 54 year old man were also taken to hospital and a number of neighbouring properties were evacuated as a precaution measure. police say there are no suspicious circumstances as a week of travel disruption has begun as train drivers continue to strike over pay. no east midlands trains are running today and there's a limited service between london and scotland on lner has left. members have voted to continue taking industrial action for the next six months. the rail delivery group says they should accept an 8% pay offer and boris johnson's expected to admit he made mistakes during the pandemic when he appeared before the covid inquiry next week . the the covid inquiry next week. the former pm will, however, argue that his government got the big decisions right, that his government got the big decisions right , with the that his government got the big decisions right, with the times claiming that he will say he helped if not helped saved tens. if not hundreds of thousands of lives by preventing the nhs from being

overwhelmed . and some of his overwhelmed. and some of his senior staff have already given evidence criticising him for indecision and poor leadership . indecision and poor leadership. well, there's more on all of those stories on our website at gbnews.com. i'll be back in half an hour. but now it's back to nana. >> thank you, ray. coming up, it's this week's political spotlight with baroness claire fox. but next up , swine flu has fox. but next up, swine flu has been confirmed in north yorkshire. i'll be joined by dr. chris smith. don't go anywhere

sunday mornings from 930 on. gb news choose . news choose. >> welcome back. you're with me . >> welcome back. you're with me. i'm nana akua. we are live on tv, online and on digital radio. this is gb news. we are the people's channel now it's time, though, for a routine screening in north yorkshire , which in north yorkshire, which detected what has now been recorded as the first case of the new strain of swine flu in the new strain of swine flu in the uk. now health officials are investigating the case and have confirmed that the patient only had respiratory symptoms. a mild illness and had fully recovered. the origin of the virus is currently unknown, as the patient did not work with pigs. so joining me now is virologist chris smith . chris, he is also chris smith. chris, he is also known as the naked scientist . known as the naked scientist. i'm sure he'll be fully clothed . i'm sure he'll be fully clothed. chris, nice to see you. chris all right. i want to ask, you

know, i remember swine flu back in the day. wasn't that h5n1 one, which was this scary thing that happened china that happened in china and people are quite a few people died, but then it suddenly stopped. and that's what i remember swine flu. am remember about swine flu. am i correct ? correct? >> swine flu specifically as it pertains to humans relates to the pandemic. >> we had in 2009, which was actually a form of h1n1 flu. and what this combination of letters and numbers mean the h and the n, they refer to markers which are on the surface of the flu virus particle, and we can use them as a convenient way to put them as a convenient way to put the into different the virus into different categories and different animals which have different forms of flu that they usually catch, have those particular markers associated with their flu. so we can use it as a convening way to say what sort of flu it is and the normal flu that us humans have h1n1 and also h3n2 now, this particular strain of flu that's been picked up in this

person in yorkshire is different. >> it's h 1n2. >> it's h 1n2. >> and when scientists read the genetic code of that flu virus , genetic code of that flu virus, it's clearly a pig virus . it it's clearly a pig virus. it matches very closely to viruses that's circulating in pigs at the moment. what makes it stand out as unusual is that it's not normally ever found in humans and hasn't been seen in our country doing this for about five decades. and there's only been about 50 cases around the world since about 2005 of this happening . but it's a pig virus happening. but it's a pig virus that has jumped the species barrier and got into a human. and why this is a worry is that it could spark a pandemic. but we don't think the risk is very high of that happening, because if it had, we would be seeing many more cases like this . and many more cases like this. and that's why they're looking. but the evidence is it hasn't happened. >> but the pandemics of the last swine flu pandemic or epidemic or i mean, it was a pandemic. didn't that didn't that end quite quickly ? so it was quite

quite quickly? so it was quite scary. quite a few people died. i mean, how bad was it? because i mean, how bad was it? because i remember people were dying of it, i correct ? yeah it, am i correct? yeah >> yes. flu pandemics occur roughly once every 30 years. and what happens with a flu pandemic is that one of those animal forms of flu , which i mentioned, forms of flu, which i mentioned, jumps the species barrier and gets into humans . and because it gets into humans. and because it looks completely different to a normal human flu , to which we normal human flu, to which we all have some degree of immunity, no one has any immunity, no one has any immunity . so it spreads very immunity. so it spreads very fast around the world. it causes lots of cases. and if you've got lots of cases. and if you've got lots of cases is lots of infections. there's high risk that some of those may develop a severe disease, particular in vulnerable people, elderly , vulnerable people, elderly, frail people, or very young people. and they may become severely unwell and they may lose their lives. and so across the last hundred years or so , we the last hundred years or so, we have seen a sequence of flu pandemics most famously pandemics happen. most famously the 1918 which was an h1n1 the 1918 flu, which was an h1n1 virus, actually which killed

upwards of 50 million people. we then saw history repeat itself in the 1950s, in the 1960s, and then in 2009 with h1n1 swine flu. but the mortality rate with the h1n1 swine flu, about ten years ago was about a quarter of a million people all around the world. and you're right, it did get a foot put on it. it got stamped out very quickly. thank goodness. >> yeah, thank goodness. because you said the mortality rate, wasn't something like if wasn't it something like if a percentage terms, what would it be? be about was it be? would it be about was it like 40% something ? like 40% or something? >> no. if it had been 40, we would have seen extremely high levels of mortality . levels of mortality. >> 40. >> 40. >> it would have been fractions of 1% or something like that. but obviously it matters who it infects because if it infects a really healthy person , then the really healthy person, then the mortality will very , mortality rate will be very, very if infects someone very low. if it infects someone who's already got health problems, even the common cold can carry off. someone who's already so it really already infirm. so it really matters who it infects. and that's why we can't just be complacent and say, this seems

like trivial illness because like a trivial illness because it's trivial for one person, but not necessarily for another. >> i think a lot of people are having a bit of a hangover from covid one. that's covid on that one. so that's why people are going, oh, god, not another one. dr. chris smith, thank clearing thank you so much for clearing that it's good to that one up for me. it's good to talk to you. that is, course, talk to you. that is, of course, dr. don't forget, dr. chris smith. don't forget, you out his podcast, dr. chris smith. don't forget, you naked out his podcast, dr. chris smith. don't forget, you naked scientist,; podcast, dr. chris smith. don't forget, you naked scientist, andicast, dr. chris smith. don't forget, you naked scientist, and find, the naked scientist, and find out all the stuff he talks. he's a very intelligent man. right. it's up to 42 it's just coming up to 42 minutes after 3:00. is gb minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. don't forget as well, you can stream the show live on youtube and also download the free gb news app and just keep us with you wherever you go. but it's us with you wherever you go. but wsfime us with you wherever you go. but it's time now for this week's political spotlight. and have political spotlight. and i have somebody here who shine somebody here who will shine a light lot of things going light on a lot of things going on political arena. now on in the political arena. now she the upper house of she sits in the upper house of parliament told gb news parliament but has told gb news that a non elected second that having a non elected second chamber is bonkers. and she joined revolutionary joined the revolutionary communist whilst communist party whilst at university and is a former brexit party mep. she founded the academy of ideas, which aims to create a public space where

ideas can be contested without constraint. well guess who she is? of course. i'm pleased to say. joining me this week is life peer baroness claire fox. claire thank you very much for joining me. it's very good to be on your show. >> it's the first time on this show, so that's great. >> good to see you. so can i talk to me about you and your political career? how did all political career? how did it all happen your reality happen and how has your reality exceeded dreams as to exceeded your dreams as to where you might in politics? you might be in politics? >> i don't know that i ever dreamt or wanted to be where i am, i think that it's am, but i think that it's interesting i've always interesting because i've always been on the left of politics and i feel as though i didn't stop being on the left. >> but the world changed around me. and so, you know, people always say, oh, aren't you on the whatever. i don't the right? whatever. i don't think help very think those labels help very much. to say on the much. but just to say on the more history, i think more recent history, i think that the academy of ideas , which that the academy of ideas, which works, particularly with young people, it's trying to create a space for open debate discussion. but you know, gb news but offline. and we did it

before . but, you know, i'm glad before. but, you know, i'm glad to see gb news as part of that tradition of opening up discussion and debate. and we've always tried to do that, working with school pupils as students . with school pupils as students. let's put on a big festival every year called the battle of ideas festival, which gb news actually puts a live show of andrew doyle free speech nation on. great to have gb news involved. all of that happens, but i had no aspirations whatsoever to be a politician . whatsoever to be a politician. and then brexit happened and i mean the other thing was, was that in a way i kind of did lots of radio four programmes, a bit of radio four programmes, a bit of a bbc luvvie, a bit of a kind of a bbc luvvie, a bit of a kind of liberal leftie, a of of liberal leftie, a bit of a thorn the side, but you know, thorn in the side, but you know, argumentative, going along argumentative, not going along with the dogmas as the left became and more intolerant became more and more intolerant and censorious and always prepared to speak my mind. but nonetheless, in that camp , nonetheless, in that camp, brexit came along and it all changed. and i do remember when at some debate that i was on, i was actually speaking and some

major philosopher said lots of right on. people in the audience. and he sort of said, does anyone know anyone who's going to vote? leave and when i said me, they all laughed. they thought i was joking. but i became a politician because that attitude carried on even after we won the vote in 2016, as you know. and by the time we got to the fact that i thought that the vote was going to be overturned and it felt like civil war, britain, mean, it really britain, i mean, it really did feel like that i you know , did feel like that i you know, did something i never thought i'd do, is i stood for the do, which is i stood for the brexit party. nigel farage and i had in common. we didn't had nothing in common. we didn't know other politically. know each other politically. it didn't , but i felt didn't seem likely, but i felt as though there was lots of red wall lots of labour wall voters, lots of labour voters, lots of ordinary people who needed to find a voice and so i said, do you want me to stand as an mep? and i got elected not because but elected not because of me, but because of brexit. party romped home. consequence of home. and as a consequence of that doubt that's one of the that, no doubt that's one of the reasons the house of reasons why i'm in the house of lords. but i never wanted do lords. but i never wanted to do any i was happy any of this. i was like happy doing but you know,

doing my thing. but you know, i suppose you have to up suppose you have to step up or, you times change or you know, times change or something you have something happens and you have to take a different role. to take on a different role. >> it's interesting what >> i think it's interesting what you said about the left that you think actually think the left has actually moved wasn't actually you moved and it wasn't actually you because does that way because it does seem that way because it does seem that way because would seemed because brexit would have seemed to be natural place for more to be a natural place for more red walls sort of voters, but yet it for some reason or other , yet it for some reason or other, there seemed to be a bit of a dilemma here that actually if you're more red wall, you're now leaning towards the conservative party because it seems that the labour party were more of a remain party. or did you find that odd because jeremy corbyn seemed a lot about how seemed to talk a lot about how he didn't really like the eu in a sense, and then suddenly exactly . exactly. >> i wi w it was w- w it was it was w— odd. >> i mean, tony benn was the kind of one of the most famous left critics of the european union. there were still you know, there's all sorts of people like the rmt, the rail union. they came out as leave lots of people were actually leave. but something weird happened when the manifest when the asked to vote, which

the we were asked to vote, which was all these lefties i knew quite sceptical about the eu and that includes as it happens, it include jeremy corbyn, who was a completely hostile to the eu. i remember they lost their courage and they thought, oh god, maybe people will think we're like nigel farage and maybe people will think we're on the right. so they kind of went quiet. i mean, obviously the conservative party the main remain party were the main remain party. i mean, they campaigned for remain in that referendum . for remain in that referendum. they campaigned to overthrow that referendum. and it was only when boris johnson came along or the sort of erg types that that the sort of erg types that that the conservatives are associated with leave. but actually, interestingly enough , everybody interestingly enough, everybody was against brexit and i think it really was people said to me, people might think that you're right wing or people might think you're a right? it's you're a racist, right? and it's a of intimidation. a kind of a act of intimidation. you if you go along with you know, if you go along with this, think you this, people will think you don't and don't like immigrants. and i said, no, ijust don't like immigrants. and i said, no, i just believe in controlling our borders. i believe sovereignty. you believe in sovereignty. you know, things know, all the usual things that i that became

i said. and that became associated right. it associated with the right. it reminds the way, of reminds me, by the way, of issues free speech. issues like free speech. i've been involved speech been involved in free speech issues a student. issues since i was a student. you know, since school . it was you know, since school. it was associated with the left. i mean, it was kind of like the sensors were all these kind of conservatives saying, oh, you can't don't let them see that. you know, kind approach. you know, that kind of approach. so how so i couldn't understand how free speech became. now, if you say i'm a free speech speaker, they'll say, you only want free speech you spout hate. speech so you can spout hate. you an alt right culture you must be an alt right culture warrior by, you know, warrior funded by, you know, american republicans . like, what american republicans. like, what are you talking about in other words, the left have abandoned a lot of these things and i haven't. so i'm a bit old fashioned like that. but as i say, i don't know that the left right thing helps us anymore. a lot of young people i know assume that they must be on the right because the left is so grim and awful and we also know that the left has become associated with at the moment. when you look at what's happening around israel, turning a blind eye to anti—semitism. so, so much for air anti racism,

right ? right? >> it's worrying, isn't it? if you look at the situation, because it would have seemed that institutions which are more on the left so like universities and were very pro—palestinian which is absolutely yeah which is fair enough you can choose but it just seemed to be a natural place that you needed to be if you were at a university. my be if you were at a university. my told me that at my daughter told me that at school never say that school you could never say that you to you supported israel's right to defend itself in a way because that would not be something you could you wouldn't dare say could say you wouldn't dare say that. well, i'd say that you're a bigot. >> the worst thing. you >> that's the worst thing. you know. i think you're know. and i think if you're 17, 18, in your 20s and 18, you know, in your 20s and somebody says to you, are you on the of the bigots and the the side of the bigots and the racists are on the side racists or are you on the side of the nice people ? i mean, what of the nice people? i mean, what are you going to do? you're only going a bigot side going to go, i'm on a bigot side unless you are a bigot, right? so very sophisticated so it's not a very sophisticated conversation. think what conversation. but i think what we to establish is that, we have to establish is that, you know, things like decolonise, curriculum and decolonise, the curriculum and decolonise, the curriculum and decolonise and decolonise the university and the school and all of these things is very different to the

anti colonialism of the past, which may be somebody like me who involved in, know, who was involved in, you know, i supported many leaves supported many countries leaves ing, being independent, having national self—determination as millions of people did. that was a kind of left leaning thing. you'd say, well, we've had the empire. india wants to be free. let them. right? what are you going to do? you were opposed to that therefore were that and therefore you were associated with an anti—imperialism. but they've associated with an anti—itheerialism. but they've associated with an anti—ithe positive but they've associated with an anti—ithe positive progressive taken the positive progressive part of that and lumped it in with this decolonising issue in which they basically divide the world very simplistically into evil colonisers and settler states . israel being the epitome states. israel being the epitome of it, versus everyone is a victim. and the palestinians have become the international victims and the danger here is that you patronise the palestinians by lumping them all together. they're kind of hapless. anything they do can't do the danger , of do wrong. and the danger, of course, with saying that the only jewish is the epitome only jewish state is the epitome of all evil is that you can give a green light to anti—semitism without anyone thinking about it. and that's exactly what the

left have done , i'm afraid left have done, i'm afraid it's a it's shameful and a disgrace. it's shameful and it's dangerous and it's something about it that's rotten and ugly. because as you say, if you wanted to even ask a question, you know, i'm an old hack, i can get away with pushing things and probing things. but if you're 18,19 and things. but if you're 18, 19 and you want to say, well, hasn't israel got the right to and they just shut you down. oh yeah. then actually what you do is you, you retreat, don't you ? you, you retreat, don't you? you're bound to. i mean, it takes a bit of courage. and if then the adults in the room have actually abandoned you and not let giving you a lead , the let you giving you a lead, the thing that i find really weird on the anti—semitism march against anti—semitism last week was the number of people who were coming up to me and saying, thank you for being here. and what was there didn't need to thank me. it was the least i could do. but in a way, what they saying was the only they were saying was the only solidarity that they'd had really from people . really was from jewish people. there widespread and there hadn't been widespread and there hasn't been widespread

support for jewish people suffering a proper racist tirade, whereas in the universities you only have to say something like blacklisting or look the wrong way and they accuse of a racist microaggression. so it's a very peculiar situation when real racism is staring you in the face, you're kind of going, well, you've got to understand, they're all suffering under israel and so on, as though they have ever given a damn. by the way, the people of gaza. way, of the people of gaza. >> interesting that some of >> it's interesting that some of the that seen the racism that i've seen targeted towards jewish people, i've to i've never seen that targeted to me black woman, which me as a black woman, which is quite i didn't quite i'm like, wow, i didn't realise. wow, such a thing realise. wow, yeah, such a thing existed. anti—semitism. i hadn't really acknowledged or noticed it and i see it now, but i wanted to bring you to nigel in the jungle. a lot of people saying that he's not getting the airtime. have you watched any of it? >> of course not. because of nigel. because i watch. i'm a celeb. i have to say that it is incredibly dull. the programme this year in general. incredibly dull. the programme this year in general . and nigel this year in general. and nigel

hasn't had very much airtime, but he looks as bored as i feel watching the programme and i think probably it's been difficult to do. it's just a kind of not a very. he's used to talking politics and it's not an atmosphere that's very conducive to that. and as we've seen even minor attempts are having a political conversation is kind of led to then headlines and newspapers. i can't believe the mirror today. know, labour mirror today. you know, labour mps saying he should never have been front page. it's been allowed in front page. it's almost trying to almost like they're trying to stir up, by the way , a race stir up, by the way, a race issue and it's completely unfair i >> -- >> well, m ham >> well, listen, it's really good to talk to you. >> thank you so much. i won't be going in the jungle. no, no matter what happens. >> million, 1.5 million, >>1.5 million, 1.5 million, maybe only smidgen tempted . a maybe only smidgen tempted. a smidgen tempted. i would do it for that. i think at 1.5 million. >> you're right. maybe i would do it for that. >> thank you so much forjoining me. lovely to talk to you. thank you so my pleasure. of course, baroness fox, she's here baroness claire fox, she's here live news as listen,

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scobie's second major book centred around the royals. the first finding freedom , which i first finding freedom, which i like to call finding fantasy , like to call finding fantasy, was about harry and meghan's departure from the uk. now this was the book that meghan claimed she had not sanctioned or briefed him on, only later, having to admit in a court, in the court of law that she had actually forgotten that she had in fact, briefed him. well, that's so basically that's convenient. so basically her first account was pretty much well, what equates to a lie now his new book, end game, which i suspect is a premonition for what is to become of his career. and of course , his career. and of course, his finances, because somehow now, according to his book, there were not one but two royal racists which are named in the dutch translation, which was released in the netherlands this week. he doesn't actually use the word racism. it's that popular term unconscious bias, the racism row. of course, all centres around meghan's comments on the oprah interview , which on the oprah interview, which the sussexes did to mark the start of their worldwide privacy toun start of their worldwide privacy tour. according to the couple,

there were concerns about how dark their unborn baby's skin would be and that the baby may not be given a title because of it . well, up until now, the it. well, up until now, the person who apparently made these comments had remained anonymous. the speculation as to who it might be meant that the royal family were initially branded as racists, and the queen issued that famous statement saying that famous statement saying that recollections may vary. her last years, in fact, were clearly made very miserable . but clearly made very miserable. but omid is now distancing himself from his dutch translation of his own book, which names the so—called royal racists . and so—called royal racists. and he's now insisting that he did not put their names into the manuscript and appears to be blaming it on the translator for, uh, does does that sound right to you have a listen to his defence. >> dutch publisher told us there was a translation error and so you get on with the day and then it sort of unfolds from there. >> so i'm looking forward to

finding out about it finding out more about it because the english version of the book, the one i know, the book, the only one i know, the book, the only one i know, the version that off on the version that i signed off on thatis the version that i signed off on that is the book that is out there today that's the book that has no names in it. there today that's the book that has no names in it . so this is has no names in it. so this is ridiculous . ridiculous. >> this i mean . well, firstly, >> this i mean. well, firstly, let's start with the main one, wondering about the tone of an unborn baby's skin is akin to wondering what colour their hair or eyes might be. and it's all the more exciting when the couple mixed . right now, my couple are mixed. right now, my son, mixed . and i had a son, he's mixed. and i had a good old laugh because he's called ivory and name. we decided on before he born decided on before he was born and remember laughing with and i can remember laughing with my family saying , my friends and family saying, what comes out really dark what if he comes out really dark ivory is a white colour. what if he comes out really dark ivory is a white colour . when ivory is a white colour. when harry was gently confronted by his good old friend tom bradbury about the supposed racist, harry claimed it was not racism, but unconscious bias. claimed it was not racism, but unconscious bias . and the word unconscious bias. and the word racism was not actually used. >> the ability .

>> the ability. >> the ability. >> in the oprah interview, you accused members of your family of racism. >> you don't even of the british press said that right? >> did meghan ever mention the racist ? racist? >> she said there were troubling comments about she was concern about his skin colour. >> right. >> right. >> wouldn't you describe that as essentially racist? >> not having lived within that family ? right. so you don't family? right. so you don't going back to the difference between what my understanding is because of my own experience, the difference between racism and unconscious bias, the two things different . things are different. >> yet they picked up an award for standing up to racism in the royal family . for standing up to racism in the royal family. i'm confused. i also fail to see how if someone truly were concerned about the skin colour of your baby and vocalised it to you in a negative manner, how that can be unconscious, it doesn't even make any sense . unconscious, it doesn't even make any sense. i'm afraid nothing adds up with these two. who? i didn't. harry and meghan

clear up this misunderstanding. if their own admission, by their own admission, the royal family aren't racist. instead of allowing them to be dragged through the mud by the global press , i suspect harry doesn't press, i suspect harry doesn't really understand racism after all, he dressed up as a nazi in his youth to go to a party, and even then he blamed his dressing up in that manner on william and catherine. come on, harry. meghan you blamed your family for staying silent. are you going to condemn endgame ? well, going to condemn endgame? well, speak up . but before we get speak up. but before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, should cop 28 have done online with an have been done online with an estimated 70,000 people flying into dubai , many on private jets into dubai, many on private jets 7 into dubai, many on private jets ? surely if cop was serious about the environment, they'd move it online. and then a full

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i'm just going to get this in at the beginning i was with gloria de piero also news, my de piero of also gb news, my best yesterday and we met best friend yesterday and we met two wonderful ladies two absolutely wonderful ladies in bradford who say they are super fans of the program and particular fans of yours. >> nana oh, and there they are. >> nana oh, and there they are. >> so we wanted to make sure that their photo was was up there. >> and let me make sure i've got to get the names the right way round, otherwise they will kill me. >> yeah, we got so in the picture you have got, lindsay is the and is lady the blonde and julie is the lady with darker hair and they're super of program . super fans of the program. >> and lindsay lost her husband, gordon months and gb news gordon 18 months ago and gb news helped keep her company. now she's on her own. >> so lindsay and julie, lindsay and julie . oh, that's so a tiny bit. >> not as famous as you, nana, but occasional. it's nice to meet our lovely viewers. >> that's amazing. what a treat. lindsay julie. guys . oh, lindsay julie. hi. hi, guys. oh, we can't believe it. somebody remembered us. people. >> oh , no, no. >> oh, no, no. >> i'll tell you what. >> i'll tell you what. >> we're all over it. we're all oven over. >> oven >> i'm a celebrity as well.

>> i'm a celebrity as well. >> they keep mentioning gb news. they and to they keep insulting and try to insuh they keep insulting and try to insult it's only giving insult us, but it's only giving us profile. us more profile. >> so what do you think then? meghan harry, new book, meghan and harry, this new book, end can you have a end game, how can you have a book where suddenly names of book where suddenly the names of two that you're naming two people that you're naming appear think appear in the book and you think that somebody has put them appear in the book and you think th.there1ebody has put them appear in the book and you think th.there orody has put them appear in the book and you think th.there or left has put them appear in the book and you think th.there or left them1as put them appear in the book and you think th.there or left them1asit?t them in there or left them in it? i don't understand it. lizzie well, end game. >> on my way in, >> it's funny. on my way in, i saw pound shop. i'm saw it in the pound shop. i'm not was in the not joking. it was in the window. good luck with that. window. so good luck with that. >> um. >> um. >> best place for the >> look, best place for the best. >> look, let's not forget . >> look, let's not forget. >> look, let's not forget. >> the track record of >> look at the track record of these two. she helped with these two. she helped him with these two. she helped him with the previous book finding freedom. she is behind this. >> i'm afraid she really is. and don't forget, on the oprah winfrey interview to which everyone was glued to , but it everyone was glued to, but it was a pack of lies where she said there was an alleged racist. >> just one, by the way . and >> just one, by the way. and then we had oprah go, why not? >> what i'm loving the oprah impression. >> let's not forget, we have one of those. >> if i go, what, like that? can ihave >> if i go, what, like that? can i have a single? because i'm going to do the oprah. she went, what? >> not going do an oprah

>> i'm not going to do an oprah impression for lots of reasons. >> not they're >> but let's not forget, they're both actresses, right? >> actresses. and >> they both are actresses. and but she never used the word racism . racism. >> that's what harry keeps going on that's on about. but that's gaslighting. you describe gaslighting. when you describe something you claim something and then you claim it's people it's not that when people identify we're seeing, identify as what we're seeing, as different of as usual different versions of events, because maggie meghan said , actions and said conversation, actions and concerns, she heard it through harry so basically it's hearsay . harry so basically it's hearsay. >> and harry, as we saw with itv, backtracked quicker than he could. you know, he was like , what? >> no, it wasn't me. >> no, it wasn't me. >> racist , you know, i'm sorry. >> racist, you know, i'm sorry. >> racist, you know, i'm sorry. >> they are responsible for this mess . and either this is a cock mess. and either this is a cock up or a publicity stunt and they're trying to play off, obviously. i mean, meghan is so jealous of kate. she'll never be top dog. she's out for her. and i was there with princess katherine an i'm not showing off, by the way , at the royal off, by the way, at the royal albert hall on thursday at the royal variety. did she say she watches the show? loves you? watches the show? she loves you? >> she absolutely. she's a big a

fan as lindsay and jamie. >> she's nearly as big a fan. >> she's nearly as big a fan. >> yes. but there was a standing ovation every one applauded. >> so, you know , sung god save >> so, you know, sung god save the king and you could see everyone's, you know, support and strength were with her. and she looked glorious. >> she looked was that when she wore with an wore that blue thing with an amazing. to copy amazing. yes. i've tried to copy her slightly today. >> goodness i hadn't >> oh my goodness i hadn't cooked yet . cooked yet. >> but i'm sorry. meghan is jealous. >> she's always been jealous of kate . meghan is never going to kate. meghan is never going to be top she knows this. and be top dog. she knows this. and this i saw a mafia this is her way. i saw a mafia movie last night, they movie last night, and they always people to do always get other people to do the . the dirty work. >> this is what's happening >> so this is what's happening here. the last time she said she wasn't book and wasn't involved in the book and then had to admit in a court then she had to admit in a court of was because of law that she was because there were emails that came out that that been that proved that she had been this if she is involved, this one. if she is involved, she'd a cleverer. >> let's hope the weren't >> let's hope the emails weren't deleted before anyone could get to but it just. but she might >> but it just. but she might say i'm not involved say that, no, i'm not involved in just because a in this just because there's a precedent me involved precedent of me being involved in the past. yeah. >> i mean, will maintain >> i mean, they will maintain both weren't there, that

both of them weren't there, that they had nothing to do with it. >> i mean, think that just >> i mean, i think that just i think ignited actually. the think it's ignited actually. the one doneisifs one good thing it's done is it's ignhed one good thing it's done is it's ignited national ignited a kind of national conversation about, you know, babies mixed heritage babies of mixed heritage and relationships, mixed relationships, of mixed heritage, the heritage, which is, i think, the largest ethnic in largest growing ethnic group in britain mixed britain is are people of mixed heritage , of absolutely. heritage, of course. absolutely. and you know, nana i think we just need to do is listen to lived experience. that's a phrase that meghan would like, isn't phrase that meghan would like, isn'it's a phrase. you >> it's a woke phrase. and you all experiences. all lived experiences. >> us all need >> it just tells us all we need to that parents of mixed to know that parents in of mixed heritage do speculate heritage babies. i do speculate about a perfectly about it. it's a perfectly reasonable to i mean, reasonable thing to do. i mean, if i was the royal family, i probably wouldn't have said anything of anything in front of in front of meghan because she's super sensitive. thing sensitive. that's the only thing i they did. i would say if they did. >> this was apparently >> but this was apparently said to yeah >> but this was apparently said to so yeah >> but this was apparently said to so she eah >> but this was apparently said to so she wasn't even in the >> so she wasn't even in the room. yeah suppose it's room. yeah so suppose it's second hand, it my concern room. yeah so suppose it's sethisi hand, it my concern room. yeah so suppose it's sethis and|d, it my concern room. yeah so suppose it's sethis and i, it my concern room. yeah so suppose it's sethis and i wrote it my concern room. yeah so suppose it's sethis and i wrote a my concern room. yeah so suppose it's sethis and i wrote a pieceyncern is this and i wrote a piece about the daily mail that about it in the daily mail that my that harry my concern is this, that harry doesn't really have that major grasp he's in anything. doesn't really have that major gra i) he's in anything. doesn't really have that major gra i think. he's in anything. >> i think. >> w- w— >> well, yeah, but he's a new adopter to the notion of racism. so he may be going back to try and wife his and prove to his wife his credentials and

and prove to his wife his c sortntials and and prove to his wife his c sort ofals and and prove to his wife his c sort of suspect and and prove to his wife his c sort of suspect that and and prove to his wife his c sort of suspect that he and i sort of suspect that he whatever heard, doesn't whatever he heard, he doesn't fully he's back to fully get it. he's gone back to her. maybe there wasn't her. maybe he maybe there wasn't even conversation he even the conversation because he wouldn't think about wouldn't have had to think about it obviously it before because obviously he until meghan, it wasn't until he met meghan, it wasn't an life. an issue in his life. >> that's if conversation >> that's if that conversation actually had it actually happened. >> sadly, as i say, go from there. >> track record, they've been found out to and so has found out to be lies and so has scobie scooby—doo, who actually said he was a totally different age to what he was. i thought i could flip about my age, but he took a whole like 15 years off or something. >> 5 or something. >> a lot of work >> yeah, he's had a lot of work done , i'm afraid he's not to be trusted. >> it's a real betrayal . and as >> it's a real betrayal. and as i've on this show before , i i've said on this show before, i think should be done for think harry should be done for treason think disgusting treason. i think it's disgusting what doing the family what they're doing to the family . charles, you . and there's king charles, you know act the big old know, act cobb, the big old climate summit, having to deal with this being called a racist being labelled a you know, a racist is disgusting. >> but i don't think anybody believes any of it anymore. i think this is another they've suddenly appeared and they're suddenly appeared and they're suddenly relevant again without them actually being present,

which or having done anything like anything for charity like done anything for charity or done anything for good cause. >> don't do anything at do >> don't do anything at all do they? they sit there and moan, but they do. >> they and moan. but >> they sit there and moan. but the is, though, the problem is, though, what what now what should happen now about this book? because fact that this book? because the fact that he's named people he's got he's named people if there's evidence that there's no evidence of that and of course that's libellous whether you you can't do that , whether you you can't do that, you know, especially if you're saying somebody something , then saying somebody something, then you actually think, oh, i want to take that out. but it's in the book. i didn't mean to say it. >> yeah, h mean the it. >> yeah, mean the book. the >> yeah, i mean the book. the bookis >> yeah, i mean the book. the book is now ludicrous. the book is now ludicrous. and the publishers mean, publishers should i mean, frankly, there's a there's a big case publishers pulping frankly, there's a there's a big caseven publishers pulping frankly, there's a there's a big caseven the publishers pulping frankly, there's a there's a big caseven the englishers pulping frankly, there's a there's a big caseven the english languageg it. even the english language version, book version, version, the book version, which doesn't it, doesn't have the names in it, because knows the because now everybody knows the names. i think as lizzie names. but i think as lizzie says, has happened says, that what has happened above has given above all else is this has given the royal family's dignity. i am, you know, i'm not a particular republican particular fan. i'm a republican . but the dignity that the king, the prince and the queen and the prince and princess of wales are shown, you know, scobie writes know, every time scobie writes anything you know, it makes them look absolutely sort of fantastic. that's frankly the best outcome to let it just die.

>> trying you know, >> there, trying to, you know, write off the monarchy. >> i really do think so. >> i really do think so. >> but it's working against them. >> and you know what? >> and you know what? >> i done book i >> i have done a book before. i know to through. so know you have to go through. so many legals have everything many legals to have everything correct. i've to show the correct. i've got to show the proof, text, everything. proof, the text, everything. i couldn't write anything in my book unless it was gone through. so you cannot tell me that some don't you think the worst thing is that just happened to accidentally write those names? >> the worst thing him >> the worst thing is him putting blame on the putting all the blame on the poon putting all the blame on the poor. translator dutch. putting all the blame on the pcwas translator dutch. putting all the blame on the pcwas awfulnslator dutch. putting all the blame on the pcwas awful .slator dutch. putting all the blame on the pcwas awful . iator dutch. putting all the blame on the pcwas awful . i mean, dutch. putting all the blame on the pcwas awful . i mean, she:h. putting all the blame on the pcwas awful . i mean, she very it was awful. i mean, she very firmly because the dutch are a very they call a spade a spade, said firmly . very they call a spade a spade, said firmly. it was in said quite firmly. it was in there. i translated it off. >> i tell you something that's very telling. >> i tell you something that's venthe ling. >> i tell you something that's venthe sussexes silence . their >> the sussexes silence. their silence deafening . yeah. let silence is deafening. yeah. let me tell you, they're in trouble. they're in trouble . they're in trouble. >> yeah. my daughter goes, well, you silenced or what was that phrase? what was it silenced? or were you silenced? oh i love it here. >> i think it's going to be we

got some more open questions throughout the show. >> but at oprah. >> but look at oprah. >> but look at oprah. >> credibility is down the toilet. >> i used to love. i know. i wanted to be oprah. >> you are britain's >> oprah, you are britain's answer oprah. >> oprah, you are britain's answer wasprah. >> oprah, you are britain's answer was my. >> oprah, you are britain's answer was my motivation for >> she was my motivation for having my own show. i thought having my own tv show. i thought oprah, states oprah, we lived in the states for time. saw the for a short time. i saw the oprah winfrey show. i was fascinated by this woman. i thought, want what thought, i want to do what you're doing. exactly. now you're doing. exactly. but now i've think well, i've seen it. i think well, i want do what you're want to do what you're doing, but to do it better than but i want to do it better than you. with credibility. >> i'm with credibility. >> i'm with credibility. >> but she's lost her credibility. >> she's such an inspiration to so and the script so many. and she knew the script that meghan was going to say, don't that. don't do that. >> oh, what she knew. >> oh, what she knew. >> know that was >> and you know what? that was a lie. was to bring down lie. and it was to bring down the family know the royal family and you know what? all because meghan what? this is all because meghan is of kate. i'm is jealous of kate. and i'm sorry meghan, you're sorry, meghan, you're never going kate and kate. my going to be kate and kate. my god, you've seen her at the royal i was proud royal albert hall. i was proud to british is incredible. >> matthew, will you do a what? no that's extra for him . no that's extra for him. >> only if lucy gives him some coaching. maybe in the second

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back and relax at 11 am. on sundays on gb news with me, michael portillo , gb news michael portillo, gb news britain . fast approaching 23 britain. fast approaching 23 after four. >> this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. welcome on board. it's time now for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, should should cop 28 have been done online? now rishi sunak has been accused of climate hypocrisy for flying in a private jet to dubai as he pledges 1.6 billion for climate projects . he's been slammed for projects. he's been slammed for setting an awful example as the king and lord cameron also travelled in their own jets. the prime minister has also come under fire for spending more time on the plane to cop 28 than actually at the summit itself. he clocked up 11 hours in dubai, but the round trip took 14. now sunak argued, it's hugely simplistic to measure the impact of our contribution in hours spent at the summit . so for the

spent at the summit. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking should cop 28 have been done online? well, joining me now to discuss is meteorologist and social commentator jim meteorologist and social commentatorjim dale, paul burgess , climate scientist brian burgess, climate scientist brian cat physicist , engineer and burgess, climate scientist brian cat physicist, engineer and one of the person there oh, donna mccarthy . so as i've said it mccarthy. so as i've said it right, donna, donna , thank you right, donna, donna, thank you very much. it was a tricky one to say. donna mccarthy there's a lot of ends and ages and lots of things going on there, but great name. he's director of climate name. he's a director of climate media coalition. so i'm going to start you , danica. what are start with you, danica. what are your thoughts this ? your thoughts on this? >> i think yeah, thank you for this debate. >> i think it's an important one. >> i think cop should go ahead. >> i think cop should go ahead. >> but you're right, the hypocrisy jets hypocrisy of using private jets to ridiculous. to go there is ridiculous. >> to you an example, >> just to give you an example, the hours of the jet that the the 14 hours of the jet that the prime minister undertook is the equivalent of 14 tonnes of carbon, which is 14 years of a

household emissions. so to take a household that have to turn everything off their electricity for 14 years to make up that carbon. so what we should do is have a cop all the oil have a cop ban all the oil lobbyists and the airline lobbyists and the airline lobbyists , get the prime lobbyists, get the prime ministers round the table and finally make an agreement because none of this has been going years and going for on 30 years and emissions have gone up every year after every cop, it's failing. >> so what do we do to get the oil dictatorship ships out of it? the oil dictators , 22 oil it? the oil dictators, 22 oil dictators are in there blocking the action, wasting the time, wasting the money whilst the emergency is getting worse and worse around the planet . worse around the planet. >> right, brian cat. >> all right, brian cat. >> all right, brian cat. >> well, i didn't know where to start, but it's a 70 000 person boondoggle of people with their hands out from the third world who are actually going to burn coal and gas. who are actually going to burn coabutd gas. who are actually going to burn coabutd gakey about it is >> but the key point about it is the assumption that carbon dioxide emissions are any kind of serious problem because we know from the measurements that we've only warmed a degree since the coldest in 10,000 years, we've got to get nowhere near

the roman period. >> so in fact, it's just going to get slightly warmer , which to get slightly warmer, which means less people will die from extreme temperatures because is a lot more people die from cold than warm. and also that our agriculture is now about 20% more productive and deserts are desertifying at the fringes because photosynthesis is improving as co2 levels increase . so what i would say is where is this emergency that we're supposed to be worried about in the first place? they shouldn't have held it at all. >> they shouldn't have held it at all. jim dale, i'm going to quote king, if i may. quote the king, if i may. >> i'm going to say what he said. this is why it was why it was held in the first instance. we are dreadfully far off track on climate. he also used the word starker and darker world. i don't think he minced his words there, and i don't think he sort of made them up at the last second. i think he was very earnest in what he said. but but, but. but jim, jim, go on. >> a great quote. he

>> there's a great quote. but he did there. he did fly there. >> and let's go back to pm sunak for a for second. just say for a for a second. just say what disaster that was. what a pr disaster that was. there's that. but there's no doubt about that. but i will put this. but in there it is nice to be in the studio rather than be on zoom. and i think the alternative would have been those many, many been then for those many, many thousands of people to hold this on zoom. i think that's what we're hinting here. i we're hinting at here. and i think the face to face and the behind the scenes meetings are worthwhile. where you get worthwhile. it's where you get things zoom is just the point. >> but the point of it is, is that if you are specifically talking the climate talking about the climate emergency that you supposedly believe why on earth would believe in, why on earth would you fly in a private jet to go all that way to discuss something for four hours and then come back? and not only that, but why are you flying in a jet if it's that much of an emergency? >> jim, i think the one of the reasons why the fly separately isn't just in case. let's just say example , say the pm king, for example, you know, all of that you know, you know, all of that security , but why are even security, but why are you even flying? rowing's a bit of flying? well, rowing's a bit of a to that far in

a difficulty to get that far in the that they've got. you the time that they've got. you know, can't go wrong with know, you can't go wrong with social media. >> wrong with zoom? >> what's wrong with with zoom? >> what's wrong with with zoom? >> exactly the same way >> well, in exactly the same way as and paul sitting here as me and paul are sitting here in the studio and you're you know, you people come know, you like people to come into studio. face to into the studio. it's face to face. a more done. face. you get a lot more done. isn't sort of thing. isn't this the sort of thing. >> i'm not talking about >> but i'm not talking about climate don't climate emergency. i don't i don't personally in don't personally believe in it, but we are talking about the climate. >> yeah, it's nice to be here. i like sitting next to you. >> that's all well, >> well, that's all very well, but doesn't the co2 if but that doesn't help the co2 if you believe it and you actually believe it and you're talking and trying to convince to reduce convince other people to reduce their flying in their co2, then you're flying in a jet. all those miles. a private jet. all those miles. paul well, like paul burgess well, i'd like to agree with brian totally. >> everything just is >> everything he just said is sensible control sensible co2 does not control the climate. that's that is absolutely i mean, it's absolutely certain. i mean, it's absolutely certain. i mean, it's absolutely ridiculous what's going on. showed graph in going on. i showed a graph in the previous session we had about hour which about half an hour ago, which shows that all the climate conferences make difference conferences make no difference at think all four of us at all. i think all four of us probably agree they probably agree on that. they make no difference at all. if you at the latest you actually look at the latest ar6 ipcc , you ar6 report from the ipcc, you will see that they say there's no discernible problem with

floods, hurricanes with droughts. et cetera. a whole long list . so all this idea of long list. so all this idea of this bad climate happening is not even supported by the ipcc. if you want to look it up, it's in chapter 12. so you can say that that's you know, that's how bad this is, that if you look at the crop yield in africa , which the crop yield in africa, which i published, i actually printed some out last night, all the crops are really at record levels africa . so we've got levels in africa. so we've got record levels of crops . record levels of crops. >> tanaka is actually shaking his head. why are you shaking your ? your head? >> you just produced >> well, the you just produced a report about food inflation in the last year and you are aware we've had 20% food inflation. >> the main two main reasons for that were the explosion in fossil fuel prices following the ukraine crisis. >> but there are actually extreme weather events affecting the food baskets in in continent after continent . after continent. >> china, south america , europe >> china, south america, europe and north america. that has meant that the food has been

disastrously impacted and is now impacting food inflation. we the temperature this year, nana is the highest in 125,000 years. it's the hottest in 125,000 years. the oil company is the oil company. scientists in the 19705 predicted that by 2024, temperature would be rising by 1.2 to 1 point four degrees centigrade. >> it has . >> it has. >> it has. >> and the antarctic. >> and the antarctic. >> but paul bird is shaking his head. brian's got his head down. so i don't know what he's thinking. paul, briefly to you. rubbish no, no. i'll go to i'll go brian brian, go to brian because brian, you're it's rubbish . why go to brian because brian, yoitre it's rubbish . why go to brian because brian, yoit rubbish? it's rubbish . why is it rubbish? >> well, this agricultural output for this year is the most it's ever been, so that is untrue . to the hundred and untrue. to the hundred and 25,000 125,000 year statement is also totally false . also totally false. >> we know geology knows that it's been a lot warmer during the holocene optimum period because it was the holocene

optimum period because it was warmer , two degrees warmer than warmer, two degrees warmer than now . how. >> now. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> you know, everything they say, these people is just denial of the facts. well, listen, go away the ipcc to wrap this away from the ipcc to wrap this up because i've got to briefly bnng up because i've got to briefly bring it to jim because he's going to tell us about the weather you've got about 205. >> jim 20s to say the weather. >> jim 20s to say the weather. >> okay. it's snowing my >> okay. it's snowing at my mum's think she's in mum's house. i think she's in royton oldham. uh, snow. snow is coming north the coming in to the north and the midlands. it be missing the midlands. it will be missing the south, so it'll be wet and miserable and windy and slightly milder. on monday. we're going in the right direction as far as temperatures are concerned. that's about it. enjoy the snow. if to get it. if you're going to get it. >> there go. the snow. >> there you go. enjoy the snow. well, then briefly to all well, listen then briefly to all of dale, they of you, jim dale, should they have flown? they flown in have flown? should they flown in private yes or no? should private jets? yes or no? should they in jets? they have flown in private jets? >> should have shared. >> no, they should have shared. they should shared more. >> no, they should have shared. theyeah.jld shared more. >> no, they should have shared. theyeah. should shared more. >> no, they should have shared. theyeah. should they'ed more. >> no, they should have shared. theyeah. should they'ed meven >> yeah. should they have even gone all? gone by jets at all? >> they should. >> yes, they should. >> yes, they should. >> should it be on zoom? should it on zoom? no okay. paul it be on zoom? no okay. paul burgess, should zoom? burgess, should it be on zoom? >> anything.

>> it shouldn't be on anything. it shouldn't be there at all. >> should it be zoom >> brian, should it be on zoom what said? finally what paul said? yeah and finally to think? to .uk, what do you think? should be on? would i would should it be on? i would i would stop should it be on? i would i would st0|i would stop 68,000 of them >> i would stop 68,000 of them flying, but i would support 2000 of and diplomats of politicians and diplomats meeting. and finally make an agreement that will save us. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> all right. well, i don't think going that. think they're going to do that. they're a jolly they're going to have a jolly they're going to eat good food they're going to have a jolly they stayoing to eat good food they're going to have a jolly they stayoing to stargood food they're going to have a jolly they stayoing to star hotelsyod they're going to have a jolly they stayoing to star hotels and and stay in five star hotels and just the carbon as just knock out the carbon as though no tomorrow. all though there's no tomorrow. all right. thank all of you. right. thank you to all of you. this tv, online this is gb news on tv, online and radio. coming up, and on digital radio. coming up, we'll with the great we'll continue with the great british hour. i'm british debate. this hour. i'm asking, should cop 28 been asking, should cop 28 have been done the done online? can you hear the thoughts panel? lizzie thoughts of my panel? lizzie cundy and matthew but cundy and matthew laszlo? but first, let's get your latest news ray . news with ray. >> that's not a good afternoon. it'5 >> that's not a good afternoon. it's 432 . a tsunami warning has it's 432. a tsunami warning has been triggered after the philippines was struck by a 7.6 magnitude earthquake . waves magnitude earthquake. waves between 1 and 3m above sea level

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with you. >> i think that certainly a lot of could been done of it could have been done online. think they should online. i think what they should do some of these do is stick some of these international together international summits together because actually , you because partly actually, you know, been worked in know, having been worked in politics, take out huge politics, they take out huge chunks of leader's time chunks out of leader's time because you've got, because by the time you've got, you they've got you know, when they've got domestic to focus on. domestic concerns to focus on. so i think there are 7000 people at this at this summit. so i think that if you could have either done it online or you could have done it together with other with other international gatherings, just to gatherings, because just to fly for 14 hours stay there for for 14 hours to stay there for 11 is ludicrous. but even to fly there, you're talking climate. >> climate catastrophe, >> yeah, climate catastrophe, because of co2. then you've just got on a private jet, got on a british airways flight, you know, british airways know, a normal british airways flight, con 28. flight, i call it con 28. >> can i ask what they did >> and can i ask what they did with all the rest of the cops? >> what, there's every year how. >> we now. >> we going 28? i think >> are we going 28? i think we'll here at cop 99. we'll still be here at cop 99. >> still no better honestly >> still no better off. honestly >> still no better off. honestly >> emissions are >> let's have a emissions are going >> let's have a emissions are goiibe real. private jets , >> be real. taking private jets, are you for sure? you're supposed you're damaging supposed to. you're damaging the climate. to be climate. it's supposed to be protecting . we had rishi gone

protecting it. we had rishi gone for 11 hours was it gave 1.6 billion and then off he went again. did you know that? and hobnobbing with everyone, even our dear king was there, flew in another one that got a private jet. yes. you name it, he's back again. lord david cameron got on again. lord david cameron got on a private jet. even captain flip flop was there, flew in. >> i don't think he got a private jet. i can't afford a private jet. i can't afford a private jet. >> were there. >> were there. >> do you know what might have done? but i don't done? and i'll check but i don't think very much economy on think is very much economy on labour party money making labour party budget money making con say look con i'm afraid to say look if you're bothered about you're that bothered about saving planet, surely saving the planet, you surely wouldn't jets wouldn't be getting private jets willy i think it's quite >> honestly, i think it's quite disgusting actually. and how about, know what's going on about, you know what's going on in the world? should really in the world? they should really be going on in the world? they should really be gaza going on in the world? they should really be gaza . going on in the world? they should really be gaza . maybe going on in the world? they should really be gaza . maybe the going on in the world? they should really be gaza . maybe the ukraineg on in the world? they should really be gaza . maybe the ukraine war, in gaza. maybe the ukraine war, not this. and i really do find it just hypocrites , nicole, that it just hypocrites, nicole, that they're in dubai, of all places. >> some people argue that it's actually the fact that they're coming up with these initiatives , but they're coming up , but they're all coming up together initiatives and together with initiatives and not consulting us not actually consulting us because the who it's

because we're the ones who it's going affect. so they're going to affect. so they're going to affect. so they're going these ideas going in making up these ideas and these a bit like net and these targets a bit like net zero all that without zero and all of that without specifically coming and specifically coming to us and letting us the procedure letting us know the procedure and agree it as and whether we agree to it as well. think the thing is >> well, i think the thing is that because it every that because you have it every yean that because you have it every year, to find year, they have to find something just sort something because it's just sort of pops up in the calendar. it's a of christmas and a bit like sort of christmas and party oh, there's party conference. oh, there's the have and the cop. we'll have to go and find something. we'll to find something. we'll have to throw here and £1 throw £1 billion here and £1 billion know, throw £1 billion here and £1 bill truth know, throw £1 billion here and £1 bill truth of know, throw £1 billion here and £1 bill truth of the know, throw £1 billion here and £1 bill truth of the matter know, throw £1 billion here and £1 bill truth of the matter is know, the truth of the matter is nothing very much has changed since last in terms of what since last year in terms of what government since last year in terms of what gonou1ent since last year in terms of what gonou know, only thing that's do. you know, only thing that's happened say, not only happened is as we say, not only the in ukraine, but the the war in ukraine, but the conflict in gaza well. so conflict in gaza as well. so i think it's sort of think it's just sort of ludicrous having it so regularly where it just becomes it becomes tokenistic, tick box, tokenistic, it becomes tick box, and other and therefore, the other 69,990 people are not the kind of people who are not the kind of 28 world leaders, roughly are just it's a big talking just there. it's a big talking shop and they could certainly do it because they're it online because they're literally it's just a sort of trade fair. >> they should be doing it >> oh, they should be doing it online. i'll even get them a hotel. one in slough. hotel. i know one in slough. we'll it all on on zoom. we'll do it all in on on zoom. it save a hell of a lot of. it will save a hell of a lot of. >> have been on

>> what have you been doing on zoom hotel room in slough. zoom in hotel room in slough. >> but let's not forget all this scaremongering about the climate change, because, look, i mean, i wasn't well, was 1968, wasn't well, i was born 1968, but i shocked listening. >> it's true. i thought you were in iwas >> it's true. i thought you were in i was saying that all the oil >> i was saying that all the oil was going to 19705. was going to go 19705. >> ice in a few >> it was ice age is in a few years. 805 was acid rain were ruined . ruined. >> the we stopped the acid >> the crops we stopped the acid rain 19 ozone layer. >> all in trouble. >> we're all in trouble. you know, ice caps and know, two hundreds ice caps and a few years all the ozone. >> it was boiling. we all changed our fridges and stopped using our deodorants. changed our fridges and stopped usi|and our deodorants. changed our fridges and stopped usi|and we our deodorants. changed our fridges and stopped usi|and we didur deodorants. changed our fridges and stopped usi|and we did geteodorants. changed our fridges and stopped usi|and we did get the)rants. changed our fridges and stopped usi|and we did get the ozone >> and we did get the ozone coral . they do. they grow back. >> well, they said they wouldn't and they said we'd lose almost. >> look, i think look, i think politicians need to listen to what but they what scientists say, but they need to take it with a view of common sense. think climate common sense. i think climate change i think that common sense. i think climate cha also i think that common sense. i think climate cha also bei think that common sense. i think climate chaalso be sensible|at we also need to be sensible about action we can take about what action we can take without bringing the world economy i think economy down. and i think certainly don't to certainly what we don't need to do have leader popping do is have every leader popping up finding something up every year finding something to need actual sort of to say. we need actual sort of world, a sort of structure and policy. is not policy. remember this is not something to something they have to do. >> they come away with they

>> so they come away with they don't go. don't have to go. >> well, biden didn't go. >> well, biden didn't go. >> they come away with all these pledges. happens. pledges. then nothing happens. >> nothing happens. i said, well, here. well, we'll still be here. >> we for it last >> remember, we paid for it last yean >> remember, we paid for it last year, 99, as said. year, 99, as i said. >> the fact is, look, >> but the fact is, look, china's not around the china's not even around the table. they're ones that table. they're the ones that have highest emissions. have got the highest emissions. the usa. where's biden? he's sent reps. sent a few reps. >> went because they don't >> he went because they don't really want to change. >> and where's money going? >> and where's our money going? it'5 >> and where's our money going? it's going organisation it's going to organisation nations. you know, the government are subletting it out, money out, giving our taxpayers money out, giving our taxpayers money out for people to do. i think we need think to lower emissions. >> but i think that we don't need to do it by private jets. >> and if king charles really does know he cares does care, we know he cares about the planet. another about the planet. another private >> but you know, another private jet won't put in the jet they won't put them in the same because in case same private jet because in case it everybody. same private jet because in case it i everybody. same private jet because in case it i get everybody. same private jet because in case it i get that everybody. same private jet because in case it i get that cameron, rybody. same private jet because in case it i get that cameron, cameron >> i get that cameron, cameron and rishi get one and rishi could get one together. go in a together. need to go in a private because they don't private jet because they don't need to go. they're not genuine about they about this thing because they make pledges they haven't. i don't they've any make pledges they haven't. i dothe they've any make pledges they haven't. i dothe pledges they've any make pledges they haven't. i dothe pledges in:hey've any make pledges they haven't. i dothe pledges in the �*ve any make pledges they haven't. i dothe pledges in the last any make pledges they haven't. i dothe pledges in the last time1y of the pledges in the last time and they're back meeting again. i don't think they should be allowed if they allowed to meet again if they haven't pledges from before. >> remember last the rishi >> remember last year the rishi

stopped prime stopped was rishi, prime minister last year, minister this time last year, i think he stopped charles think just he stopped charles going, remember row ? going, do you remember that row? yeah. charles was yeah. so that's why charles was determined to 22 flights go on emirates a day. >> they could easily get a commercial . commercial. >> they've got air, miles. they don't have to. >> listen, this show is >> well, listen, this show is nothing without you and your views. great views. let's welcome our great british voice is their opportunity be show opportunity to be on the show and tell what they think and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. where should about the topics we're discus�*to?. where should about the topics we're discus�*to? should vhere should about the topics we're discus�*to? should we 'e should about the topics we're discus�*to? should we go hould about the topics we're discus�*to? should we go to. ild about the topics we're discus�*to? should we go to. oh, we go to? should we go to. oh, there's we go to? should we go to. oh, the the map's gone. map. oh, >> the map's gone. the map. oh, my. somebody's christmas my. that's somebody's christmas bonusis my. that's somebody's christmas bonus is gone. >> heads will i'm to >> heads will roll. i'm going to speak someone about speak to someone about something. flying speak to someone about somethin lee flying speak to someone about somethin lee harris flying speak to someone about somethinlee harris in flying speak to someone about somethinlee harris in bristol into you. lee harris in bristol lee. hi nana. into you. lee harris in bristol leeyou nana. into you. lee harris in bristol leeyou know, if they're going to >> you know, if they're going to do, insist this do, insist on doing this ridiculous every year, ridiculous farce every year, you'd the very least you'd think at the very least they do it online. uh, they would do it online. uh, rishi sunak apparently spent more time flying than he did in dubal more time flying than he did in dubai, that's matthew dubai, and that's matthew eloquently said it would be obviously far more productive and produce less carbon emissions to do zoom. >> but the whole thing is ridiculous. >> it's completely pointless, unproductive virtue signalling nonsense, and it's full of out—of—touch elites who genuinely can't less about

genuinely can't care less about taxing working into taxing hard working people into poverty. and as you rightly said, there are about 70,000 people who chose to fly to cop28 in dubai. >> apparently creating the biggest carbon footprint so far. the hypocrisy is over , featuring the hypocrisy is over, featuring the leaders of the usa and china didn't even bother turning up the two biggest carbon emitters in the on the planet. >> keir starmer and his pals attended when he isn't even in government no other government. clearly for no other reason virtue signal on reason than to virtue signal on photo ops. >> king charles flew over separately, wearing a tie beanng separately, wearing a tie bearing greek flag , a huge bearing the greek flag, a huge signal about the elgin signal signal about the elgin marbles row . marbles row. >> after promising not to get involved in politics, rishi sunak found a staggering 1.6 billion to spend on projects in other countries. when we're told there is hardly any money for regeneration and tax regeneration projects and tax cuts here in the uk and just to finish this mainstream media finish on this mainstream media used it as an opportunity to bash sunak for the eminently sensible decision to roll back net zero targets to make it more affordable. >> gb news the only news channel

that stood up for the british people by asking if we could afford this ridiculous 1.6 billion during cost of living crisis. >> the whole thing is just hypocritical. not essence. that won't make a bit of difference to the environment, and it's full of completely out of touch virtue signalling idiots. >> thank you very much. it's a sink haha. right thank you very much. that's lee harris. he's a great british voice. right. so coming up is this week's difficult conversation. my guest is academic who's faced is an academic who's faced a backlash from members of the university community when he criticised woke but he's criticised woke ideas, but he's taking a stand. let's some taking a stand. let's get some weather a brighter outlook with boxt solar , the sponsors of boxt solar, the sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello, welcome to your latest gb news weather. i'm ellie glazier. after a very cold couple of days, for most of us it looks like something a little bit milder is on the way in the south of the uk through the weekend. area of low weekend. this area of low pressure southwest pressure out to the southwest gradually but gradually moves towards us. but

for now, low for the here and now, low pressure charge, bringing pressure in charge, bringing various to the various frontal systems to the west of the uk and bringing some showers as those showers showers as well, those showers will in from the west, will push in from the west, perhaps turning wintry over the hills and of hills of wales and parts of nonh hills of wales and parts of north well. but north west england as well. but for scotland, northern for parts of scotland, northern ireland southeast ireland and the southeast generally with some generally staying dry with some clear could clear skies overnight and could lead and freezing lead to some mist and freezing fog under those skies, fog under those clear skies, turning very cold. we could see minus eight or minus ten across parts scotland perhaps, but parts of scotland perhaps, but perhaps a touch milder perhaps just a touch milder across south—west across the south—west compared to nights . as we start on to recent nights. as we start on sunday, those showers could bnng sunday, those showers could bring some icy stretches to many , across the , particularly across the central the uk. but central swathe of the uk. but those showers across the southwest their southwest continue to push their way eastwards as we way north and eastwards as we go through afternoon , through into sunday afternoon, perhaps turning heavy at times and wintry over the hills across parts and northern parts of wales and northern england, , england, parts of scotland, though staying drier though generally staying drier but feeling cold, but are definitely feeling cold, some parts perhaps staying below freezing through sunday afternoon. still milder afternoon. however still milder again the south—west into again across the south—west into monday. further rain pushes its way south and eastwards as we go into monday afternoon. again,

there could be some wintry elements across parts wales there could be some wintry elennorthernoss parts wales there could be some wintry elennorthern england, wales there could be some wintry elennorthern england, but/ales and northern england, but staying still across parts staying dry still across parts of scotland and northern ireland. rain continues to ireland. that rain continues to clear its through monday, clear its way through monday, leaving but colder leaving a drier but colder day on tuesday wednesday . on tuesday and wednesday. >> looks like things are heating up . up. >> boxt boilers spot answers of weather on gb news as. so coming up in the next hour , my great up in the next hour, my great british debate. >> i'm asking is it time for the uk to stop relying on cheap foreign labour? but up next, it's foreign labour? but up next, wsfime foreign labour? but up next, it's time for my royal roundup with royal biographer angela levin

52 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. and there's always something going on in the royal household. and this week has been different. this week has been no different. and saturday i love to and every saturday i love to give you a rundown. and who better so royal better to do so than royal biographer levin? angela biographer angela levin? angela right. so let's talk you're here. let's talk about what's going on with this. we've got this from obeid, scobie. he this book from obeid, scobie. he claims that the names that were in it, he didn't put them in in the dutch translation of it. what on earth is happening? >> let me tell you, it's >> well, let me tell you, it's very you have to work very hard when a book about the when you write a book about the royal family. >> it takes you ages. didn't royal family. >> them es you ages. didn't royal family. >> them see ou ages. didn't royal family. >> them see minees. didn't royal family. >> them see mine wheniidn't royal family. >> them see mine when itn't royal family. >> them see mine when it was let them see mine when it was finished because i didn't want them it was a them to think it was a hagiography . you to be

hagiography. but you have to be very careful and you to, very careful and you have to, you know, you send it to the publisher and they correct it. any they like , and then any things they like, and then it back again and back and it goes back again and back and forth and back and forth and actually, you put a name actually, you never put a name in you really it in unless you really want it there. it's nonsense . it's there. it's nonsense. it's absolute and to say absolute nonsense. and to say that it was misread or something is also nonsense because you don't misread read a name, do you ? and these two women who do you? and these two women who do all the checking are extremely well known for being absolutely spot on. and they would have done that for this. so it's nonsense. >> so i'm i'm going to play you listen to his excuse . this is listen to his excuse. this is david scobie's excuse as to how these names got in the book. have a listen . have a listen. >> dutch publisher told us there was a translation error. and so you get on with the day and then it sort of unfolds from there. so i'm looking forward to finding out more about it because the english version of the book, the only one i know, the book, the only one i know,

the version that i signed off on thatis the version that i signed off on that is the book that is out there today that's the book that has it . has no names in it. >> it's all nonsense because these two women are not going to choose a name from heaven. you know, just put her name down and put there. a put it in there. it's a nonsense. and i think that it's either a trick or it's something to boost the book he can't get away from it. not at all. and the whole thing about him saying that he doesn't know anything about meghan and harry about this book is also a nonsense because he is their mouthpiece . because he is their mouthpiece. but my line, my dividing line is i thought if harry really cares about any of the rubbish and the lies that's in this book, he will sue the man he likes going to the courts and suing people who've broken into his privacy . who've broken into his privacy. why isn't he going to do that? i'm counting the days. it's nearly seven days and he hasn't said a thing, and i think he should sue as much as he likes.

here is an ideal opportunity for him to sue. why isn't he? meghan does exactly the same. she's always pursued . and when always pursued. and when a letter from her father was published by the mail, he she was actually quick on it and she got some money from it. so how does anybody else know about the letters between the king and meghan? it's just not on the king would never show anybody, and neither would the very few people who knew about it. but meghan has been known to pass it on to a friend who then passes it on to the writer and that way she can say, it's not me . and she can say, it's not me. and you see about her that she always avoids responsibility for something that's a negative . something that's a negative. it'5 something that's a negative. it's not me, guv. you know, she. she's always about it. humanitarian and telling us to love everyone , even though we love everyone, even though we don't particularly think we should. and it doesn't ever carry through . why isn't she carry through. why isn't she screaming about it? why isn't

she. why is this? >> but what about him, though? he should be. that's his family. that's his direct family that they're dragging through mud they're dragging through the mud . he talked . if. if. what is he talked about? unconscious bias. he claimed that the comments weren't racism . but i mean, weren't racism. but i mean, should we play the clips? you'll never look this the unconscious bias, i think is just as bad as calling someone racism racist. >> he doesn't think it is. but actually, if you look it up in the dictionary, it says when you feel far superior to someone else . so what he's saying about else. so what he's saying about his family is that they all are far superior. well, they are royal. but actually, if you see king charles, he's very, very good with people of all types . i good with people of all types. i spent a year with him in the run up to his 70th birthday, and he was with lots of young people who'd lived on the streets. and he looked after them and helped them to get a job. and catherine and william are also very open to people. and it's just not it's not in their nature to be a

conscious bias , you know. conscious bias, you know. >> but unconscious bias is someone who's talking about the skin tone of your child would be a conscious thing to say. so it's not even unconscious . it's not even unconscious. unconscious be unconscious bias would be there's of people and there's a group of people and you pick the one that's you always pick the one that's similar you without even similar to you without even realising, you exactly realising, but you know exactly what saying. somebody what you're saying. so somebody commenting on making a negative assertion commenting on making a negative asserti0|colour of their skin is and the colour of their skin is not something that can be classified unconscious bias. classified as unconscious bias. so what they're so i don't know what they're talking about. know how. talking about. i don't know how. >> brought up >> but also it's been brought up again many people again as so many people have said, said, and the mail said, you said, and in the mail and other people all and other people have said all over it's over the place that it's actually natural to do of actually natural to do it. of course it you say, you know, course it is. you say, you know, would have he would he might have would he have or she or she because it was before she pregnant, was before she was pregnant, even pregnant. even before she was pregnant. ginger hair. now, is everyone going to make a huge fuss about that? and it's meaning you're interested you want to talk interested and you want to talk about and it's and i've about it and it's and i've talked to loads of friends who've had mixed marriages and, you know, they've often asked me, think? what me, what do i think? what will it one than other it be? one more than the other and sort of stuff. so and all that sort of stuff. so it actually appalling do

it is actually appalling to do that and go back with the same things that have happened years ago and actually bring them up and try and use that to bring the monarchy down. it's definitely i said from years ago when meghan on the scene, she unless she was out there telling the queen elizabeth what to do, she was going to destroy the royal family. and she's very, very determined to do that. >> well, it's not working. it's backfiring. and briefly, we've got about 305 king charles. he's had a speech at cop28 . should he had a speech at cop28. should he should he be getting involved in all of this? >> well, he's been doing it for over . and i over 50 years, actually. and i think should allow him to . think you should allow him to. it's very important him. and it's very important for him. and while he was there, he spoke to seven leaders of different countries. so he could actually talk about these things. but i think it's ridiculous. everyone going there in private jets . going there in private jets. it'5 going there in private jets. it's laughable. it makes nonsense of it. >> well, it's always a pleasure to talk to you. thank you so much for joining to talk to you. thank you so much forjoining me. that, of course, is biographer

course, is royal biographer angela her thoughts. angela levin with her thoughts. lots touch lots of you got in touch with your messages i'm going your messages as well. i'm going to read one one very briefly for you, saw an article you, alan said i saw an article stating the selling in stating the book was selling in netherlands . would the netherlands. would the netherlands. would the netherlands respond if netherlands respond the same if the accused in the the book was accused in the royal racism? and royal family of racism? and finally, markle is finally, anita markle is a cunning as cunning as a fox and is as a hyaena. and is calculative as a hyaena. and harry is a lion. prince. lion. oh, very good. right? well, loads more still to come in the next hour . so, of course, this next hour. so, of course, this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . digital radio. i'm nana akua. and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headunes the big topics hitting the headlines right now. coming up, why professor kaufmann why professor eric kaufmann has decided step back from decided to step back from his professorship in politics. and then stay tuned for the great british debate. this hour, i'm asking is time the uk to asking, is it time for the uk to stop on cheap foreign stop relying on cheap foreign labour? but first, let's get your latest news with ray

addison . addison. >> thanks, nana. it's exactly 5:00. >> our top stories this hour. >> our top stories this hour. >> temperatures could drop to —12 tonight in parts of scotland . and after heavy snow saw flights disrupted at glasgow airport , fresh weather warnings airport, fresh weather warnings for snow and ice are in place from 6 pm. this evening until midday tomorrow. for many parts of the country , two fa cup ties of the country, two fa cup ties in england and 11 league matches in england and 11 league matches in scotland have been postponed today. in scotland have been postponed today . while all of today's today. while all of today's racing's fixtures at newcastle have been abandoned due to frozen ground. however meteorologist john hammond says the cold temperatures won't last that long. >> the focus of the cold shifting northwards, something a bit milder, trying to push in from the south. then the cold air sweeps back south again later on monday into tuesday. so we're not waving goodbye to this cold spell just yet. i think through the middle of the week, potentially further severe frosts and then later on this

week into next weekend, a complete transformation in it's going to turn my cold, wet, windy, soggy and horrible . windy, soggy and horrible. british soldier has been killed in kenya . in kenya. >> the ministry of defence has confirmed that major kevin mccall died while off duty on wednesday. the 32 year old had served in europe, the middle east, the falklands and africa. defence secretary grant shapps has described him as an exceptional person and soldier . exceptional person and soldier. an 84 year old man has died following a huge house explosion in edinburgh. the blast, which happenedin in edinburgh. the blast, which happened in the babatan area last night, was heard from several miles away. a 43 year old woman and a 54 year old man were also taken to hospital. the number of neighbouring properties were evacuated as a precautionary measure . police precautionary measure. police say there are no suspicious circum distances. a go fund me page has been set up to help raise money for the family. football fans who were charged following clashes in birmingham

on thursday night have now been granted bail. a special court session is underway after violence erupted ahead of aston villa's match against legia warsaw warsaw. almost 30 of the defendants, including a 22 year old polish woman who pleaded not guilty to violent disorder, were granted conditional bail. west midlands police say five officers were injured when missiles were thrown by visiting fans. the disorder started after several polish fans were told they wouldn't be allowed into they wouldn't be allowed into the stadium . a week of travel the stadium. a week of travel disruption for rail passengers has begun as train drivers continue to strike over pay . no continue to strike over pay. no east midlands trains are running today and there's a limited service between london and scotland on lner . separately, a scotland on lner. separately, a overtime ban across all services in england will cause further chaos until next weekend . aslef chaos until next weekend. aslef members have voted to continue taking industrial action for the next six months. the rail delivery group says they should

accept an 8% pay offer. but shadow culture secretary thangam debbonaire says the government needs to start negotiating long strikes. >> help . none of us know the >> help. none of us know the working people who want to get to work, people who want to get to work, people who want to get to visit family and friends. it'5 to visit family and friends. it's really important that these strikes are settled as soon as possible and i really hope that the government and the unions can and can negotiate that. and a fair settlement as can. settlement as soon as they can. >> the us says it will not permit the forced relocation of palestinians from gaza or the west bank under any circumstances. vice president kamala harris made the comment on the sidelines of the cop28 summit in dubai. she also says the us won't allow the besiegement of gaza or any redrawing of borders. meanwhile, israel has confirmed that several trucks carrying humanitarian aid have entered the strip today for the first time since hamas ended the truce yesterday . boris johnson time since hamas ended the truce yesterday. boris johnson is expected to admit that he made mistakes during the pandemic when he appears before the covid inquiry next week. however, the

former prime minister is expected to argue that he got the big decisions right, helping to save tens, if not hundreds of thousands of lives by preventing the nhs from being overwhelmed. some of his senior staff have already given evidence criticising him for indecision and poor leadership . this is gb and poor leadership. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now let's get back to nana . to nana. >> good afternoon . thank you, >> good afternoon. thank you, ray. it'sjust >> good afternoon. thank you, ray. it's just coming >> good afternoon. thank you, ray. it'sjust coming up >> good afternoon. thank you, ray. it's just coming up to six minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. over the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headunes of the big topics hitting the headlines right show headlines right now. this show is opinion. it's mine , is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course, it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing, and at we will discussing, and at times we will disagree, be disagree, but no one will be cancelled . so joining me today cancelled. so joining me today is broadcaster columnist is broadcaster and columnist lizzie former labour lizzie cundy, also former labour party adviser matthew lanza.

now, still to come in my difficult conversation today , difficult conversation today, professor eric kaufmann has decided to step back from his professorship in the politics at the birkbeck university, london. now he'll expose the woke ideology taking over the universities and says it's difficult for people who are non—conformist with their opinions to survive in these modern universities and for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, is it time for the uk to stop relying on cheap foreign labour? now, this comes as many businesses have been relying on overseas workers to fill job vacancies . boris fill job vacancies. boris johnson is set to apologise this week at the covid inquiry. he's going to admit that his government were far too complacent throughout the pandemic. but what do you think should he apologise? and then of course, voting for i'm course, voting opens for i'm a celebrity , but two labour mps celebrity, but two labour mps are publicly calling for the are now publicly calling for the pubuc are now publicly calling for the public to vote nigel out. public vote to vote nigel out. as ever . public vote to vote nigel out. as ever. email gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at . gb news. but

or tweet me at. gb news. but before we get into my difficult conversation, matt hancock was in the hot seat of the covid inquiry this week. it's been reported that although many labelled matt as a liar, boris still holds the view that he did a good job in very difficult circumstances following so following the revelations throughout the covid inquiry, the former prime minister is set to publicly apologise, admitting that he unquestionably made mistakes . so that he unquestionably made mistakes. so i'm going to start with you, matt. what do you think? do you think boris should apologise? >> yes, i think he should apologise for taking his eye off the the early part of the ball in the early part of the ball in the early part of the pandemic when was the covid pandemic when he was at chequers writing his book on on churchill. it's not. i forget he's writing his book on somebody's shakespeare. he's already done church, doesn't he ? already done church, doesn't he? yeah. he needs to apologise for not being across the detail . he not being across the detail. he needs to apologise for not taking responsibility. i mean, look , let's face it. i bet you look, let's face it. i bet you this week boris wishes it was him in the jungle and not nigel. because he's going to have 12

hours questioning from one of because he's going to have 12 houcountry's;tioning from one of because he's going to have 12 houcountry's top ing from one of because he's going to have 12 houcountry's top kc from one of because he's going to have 12 houcountry's top kc s.om one of because he's going to have 12 houcountry's top kc 5. so one of the country's top kc 5. so i think this is crucial for how bonsis think this is crucial for how boris is remembered , because i boris is remembered, because i think this. i think it's still alive, on, you know, alive, man. come on, you know, give that. politically, give him that. but politically, he's not. >> he's on this channel. >> he's on this channel. >> gb news absolutely. >> gb news absolutely. >> but you know what i mean is politically, reputation as politically, his reputation as a former minister and former prime minister and i and actually, i the to be fair actually, i think the to be fair to him, what saying, that to him, what he's saying, that he's apologise is he's going to apologise is sounds does sounds good because what he does need is take need to do is take responsibility. he's not a man who likes take responsibility who likes to take responsibility as you know, we're as we know. you know, we're not quite how he's quite sure how many kids he's got, is he i know. i like got, but he is he i know. i like saying it. i isn't here to saying it. i boris isn't here to defend himself. >> worry . he will be defend himself. >> soon. worry . he will be defend himself. >> soon. and orry . he will be defend himself. >> soon. and you. he will be defend himself. >> soon. and you. and will be defend himself. >> soon. and you. and he's)e here soon. and you. and he's bigger than me. explain why you're but. but you know >> exactly. but. but you know he's man. likes to take he's not. a man. likes to take responsibility. he's not a man who detail. going to who likes detail. he's going to have to face up to both this week. have to face up to both this weeall lizzie. >> all right, lizzie. >> all right, lizzie. >> well, covid inquiry it >> well, the covid inquiry it certainly sorry to certainly is like sorry seems to be hardest with be the hardest word with everyone been there. and everyone that's been there. and bons everyone that's been there. and boris mistakes. the boris did make mistakes. and the buck, him. buck, you know, lies with him. he minister. at he was prime minister. but at the the day, you know, the end of the day, you know,

there's matt hancock, i'm sorry to say sorry having him. to say sorry for having him. i just a buffoon . say just think he's a buffoon. say sorry letting rishi sorry for letting rishi furlough. you know, everyone like people like victoria beckham's company , any which was beckham's company, any which was absolutely out of order and all the false claims that were made. will we ever get any of and all the ppe contracts. exactly but let's not forget this cove covid inquiry could go on till 2027. absurd. it's already costing us £140 million already. the only winner the swedes did. >> there's a seven months. >> there's a seven months. >> well, that's it. >> well, that's it. >> and the only way out you can read it. it's online. it's in english. >> the lawyers? >> the lawyers? >> yeah. an english >> yeah. there's an english version available. yeah. >> yeah. there's an english ver�*well,vailable. yeah. >> yeah. there's an english ver�*well, look, le. yeah. >> yeah. there's an english ver�*well, look, we yeah. >> yeah. there's an english ver�*well, look, we want yeah. >> yeah. there's an english ver�*well, look, we want yeewe >> well, look, we want to. we want this and see if want to look at this and see if there is another pandemic. want to look at this and see if the you another pandemic. want to look at this and see if the you know|er pandemic. want to look at this and see if the you know how andemic. want to look at this and see if the you know how and you know how we can learn from it. but this is throwing everyone under the bus, saving from it. but this is throwing everyown under the bus, saving from it. but this is throwing everyown underyeah,yus, saving from it. but this is throwing everyown underyeah,yuswasn'tg their own skin. yeah, it wasn't me. gov. wasn't me. it was him, isn't it? >> yeah. becomes political >> yeah. it becomes political theatre a sensible theatre rather than a sensible inquiry. political inquiry. i mean, look, political theatre joking theatre is fun. you know, joking aside boris and his his aside about boris and his his kids. cetera. people kids. et cetera. from people like boris squirm is

like me, seeing boris squirm is fun. you're on the other side fun. if you're on the other side of the political aisle. well, that's politics is like. that's what politics is like. but saying is it's not but what i'm saying is it's not necessarily the inquiry is going to get the truth. >> the public getting tired >> the public is getting tired of constant nonsense. what of this constant nonsense. what they'll is lessons they'll come up with is lessons will learned . yeah. and all will be learned. yeah. and all that sort thing. that sort of thing. >> how do we hear >> how many times do we hear that line? >> millions down the >> millions of pounds down the swanee about it? looking swanee to talk about it? looking at whatsapps come at people's whatsapps come up with at and with no solutions at all. and then the well, it's too then in the end, well, it's too much so enough much whatsapp, so not enough policy like policy that they've been like they're trying rescue themselves. >> i find it so embarrassing and obviously, they're obviously, you know, they're following and the following the science and the science wasn't right. the thing that was wrong was the from my point of view were the lockdowns, you know, the last lockdowns, you know, the last lockdowns that could have been avoided. look at did to avoided. look at what it did to kids masks. look at all kids wearing masks. look at all of what hit, how it hit of the what it hit, how it hit the economy, the know , it the economy, the you know, it was good to hear michael gove say that they didn't take into account the impact on kids and particularly kids. particularly vulnerable kids. a mental epidemic. now mental health epidemic. now >> absolutely. mental health epidemic. now >> the )lutely. mental health epidemic. now >> the consequences of and >> the consequences of that and the sorry, the consequences and i'm sorry, it may be that, you know, it's a balance whether they the

balance whether they were the right but are consequences. >> mine is that you do have to make these decisions and then the in the outcome is always in the end, can 5050 if you get end, it can be a 5050 if you get it or you're lucky if you it right or you're lucky if you if get it wrong, then it's if you get it wrong, then it's unlucky. so they unlucky. we don't know. so they did best. but what i did their best. but what i object more are object to more are these constant nonsense whatsapp messages. said messages. he said. she said this that i just look, we need that i just think, look, we need to solutions, should to find solutions, how we should prepare future and prepare ourselves in future and we get back that money we need to get back that money that how many billions of pounds we away . they need to get we gave away. they need to get that money back . that money back. >> that needs to be a priority. and labour said will be a and labour has said it will be a priority the tories should priority for the tories should get with it, they should get get on with it, they should get on and a lot to blame. >> and rishi is a lot to blame. he was chancellor. forget he was chancellor. don't forget he money. willy he was giving out money. willy nilly lot of people nilly and a lot of people were going sorry for helping going to say sorry for helping help to eat out to help help out, to eat out to help out, eat out. >> yes i advisors apparently know exactly the hell boris with his. they didn't know about it. >> correct and a lot >> boris was correct and a lot of his instinct and he went against scientists and he against the scientists and he was in end, was correct in the end, actually. i. i bet a lot of actually. and i. i bet a lot of people wish boris it's going to

be the number 10. >> it's going to be the biggest lesson just politics. lesson isn't just for politics. the politicians the biggest lesson politicians have telegram, not have taken is use telegram, not whatsapp. need a bit whatsapp. i think we need a bit more detail than that. we need a bit rather more important lesson. look, you know, >> but look, you know, and boris, going boris, what are we going to we're to him on the we're going to slap him on the knuckles for eating cake and some judgements. you some of his judgements. but, you know, experienced know, no one had experienced a pandemic . we have to pandemic before. we have to remember, we never of us remember, we never any of us experienced anything that. experienced anything like that. hopefully, will. it hopefully, we never will. but it was was under really was it was it was under really harsh circumstances . harsh circumstances. >> boris did take a lot a bit of a bashing, especially with kate, kate other things a bashing, especially with kate, katea other things a bashing, especially with kate, katea lot other things a bashing, especially with kate, katea lot of other things a bashing, especially with kate, katea lot of people |er things a bashing, especially with kate, katea lot of people wh0|ings a bashing, especially with kate, katea lot of people who probably and a lot of people who probably had a go at him, probably would agree was right agree that actually he was right about lockdown about the whole lockdown situation. and a of them about the whole lockdown situtbe n. and a of them about the whole lockdown situtbe probably of them about the whole lockdown situtbe probably eating hem will be probably eating humble pie okay coming up, pie right now. okay coming up, it's for great british it's time for the great british debate hour. i'm asking, debate this hour. i'm asking, is it the to stop it time for the uk to stop relying foreign labour? relying on cheap foreign labour? stay tuned. that's the way, stay tuned. that's on the way, next. some weather. next. but first, some weather. >> to your latest >> hello, welcome to your latest gb news weather. i'm ellie glazer. after a very cold couple of days, for most of us it looks like something a little bit milder is on the way in the

south of the uk through the weekend. area of low weekend. and this area of low pressure southwest pressure out to the southwest gradually us. but gradually moves towards us. but for now, low for the here and now, low pressure charge, bringing pressure in charge, bringing various frontal systems to the west bringing some west of the uk and bringing some showers . so those showers as well. so those showers as well. so those showers in the showers will push in from the west, wintry west, perhaps turning wintry over of wales and over the hills of wales and parts of northwest england as well. parts of scotland , well. but for parts of scotland, northern ireland and the southeast dry southeast generally staying dry with some skies overnight with some clear skies overnight and to mist and and could lead to some mist and freezing fog under those clear skies very cold. we skies turning very cold. we could see —8 or —10 across parts of scotland perhaps, but perhaps just touch milder across the just a touch milder across the south—west compared to recent nights as start sunday, nights. as we start on sunday, those showers could bring some icy stretches many , icy stretches to many, particularly across the central swathe . but those swathe of the uk. but those showers across the southwest continue way north continue to push their way north and as we go through and eastwards as we go through into sunday afternoon, perhaps turning and turning heavy at times and wintry the hills across wintry over the hills across parts of wales and northern england. scotland, parts of wales and northern englanrgenerally scotland, parts of wales and northern englanrgenerally staying d, parts of wales and northern englanrgenerally staying drier though generally staying drier but definitely feeling cold, but are definitely feeling cold, some parts perhaps staying below freezing sunday freezing through sunday afternoon, still milder afternoon, however, still milder again the south—west into

again across the south—west into monday. further rain pushes its way south and eastwards as we go into monday afternoon. again, there could be wintry there could be some wintry elements parts of wales elements across parts of wales and but and northern england, but staying dry still across parts of and northern of scotland and northern ireland. continues to ireland. that rain continues to clear its way through monday , clear its way through monday, leaving but colder day leaving a drier but colder day on tuesday and

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>> good afternoon. just coming up to 18 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. it'5 people's channel. i'm nana akua. it's time now for the great british debate. this hour. and i'm asking, is it time for the uk to stop relying on cheap foreign labour? now some are calling for far reaching reforms to the visa system to prevent employers from hiring overseas workers on the cheap . and all of workers on the cheap. and all of this comes following the record high net migration figures . but high net migration figures. but a top economist has actually argued that the foreign workers and the soaring numbers are a good thing because of the uk's post—pandemic labour shortage and some tory backbench mps have declared cutting net migration a or a do or die issue ahead of the next election. immigration minister robert jenrick claims that the government is making changes such as reducing the number of dependents that students can bring in and considering plans to crack down on foreign workers in the nhs . on foreign workers in the nhs. so that the great british debate this i'm asking is it time to for the to stop relying on

for the uk to stop relying on cheap foreign labour? well, joining me to discuss this , joining me to discuss this, stephen pound, former labour mp henry boulton obe international security and border control expert neil parris, former tory mp and chair of environment, food and rural affairs select committee, and ann widdecombe , committee, and ann widdecombe, former minister of state for pnsons former minister of state for prisons and former brexit party mep . i'm going to start with mep. i'm going to start with you, anne. what are your thoughts on this ? well, the fact thoughts on this? well, the fact is that we have still in this country a large number of unemployed people . unemployed people. >> and so as far as i'm concerned, they should be given the necessary skill. and indeed, when it comes to no skills at all, they should be compelled to work . so i don't think we should work. so i don't think we should rely forever on importing laboun rely forever on importing labour. however it is true that if you look at the us, for example, where we're not talking about unskilled labour, we're talking about skilled labour and we do import quite heavily. and

if you're going to cut down on that , then you've got to say how that, then you've got to say how you're going to skill the relevant numbers from our own population in. and i mean the whole point of brexit was not that we closed the borders, but that we closed the borders, but that we closed the borders, but that we controlled them and that we said, who came in, what qualification they had to have , qualification they had to have, what terms they could come in on. that, to my mind is how you actually control the flow of foreign labour. >> yeah , it's pretty >> yeah, it's pretty disappointing actually, the way they've handled brexit. i mean, it's just it seems to be a free for all. they've opened the floodgates and everybody sort of coming everybody their coming in, everybody and their family . and do you subscribe to family. and do you subscribe to the notion actually we are the notion that actually we are in sense raping those in a sense raping those countries of their staff and their resources, african their resources, like african countries their talent as countries of their talent as well , by countries of their talent as well, by bringing to this country and getting them to do some of the jobs that we in this country won't do. >> oh, we've been doing that for years through successive governments, you know, conservative coalition labour, the i mean, has been

the lot. i mean, that has been going on for a very, very long time. now in my ideal world, time. and now in my ideal world, people come over here, they learn skills , they learn things learn skills, they learn things that maybe aren't available in their own country and then they take the expertise back. but as we know, that doesn't happen. and often we're quite happy that it doesn't happen because we need the skills. it doesn't happen because we nee neilz skills. it doesn't happen because we nee neil parish. it doesn't happen because we nee neil parish . >> neil parish. >> neil parish. >> yes . no, >> neil parish. >> yes. no, no. >> i think that it's in theory it would be great that we could have all our own labour, but in practice it just doesn't work because i remember back in 2021, we had sort of pick for britain. >> this was vegetables and fruits, you know, on farms we only ever achieved 12% at the height of it. and then it went down to five and 2. so i mean, we've got to make these jobs perhaps more attractive . and i perhaps more attractive. and i also think i agree with ann widdecombe that you know, when they come and they can be trained and then go back and help in their own countries, that works. >> so there really a care >> so there really is a care homes in particular do rely

heavily on labour coming in. >> so and of course, perhaps we need to put wages up. but of course if we do , then we have course if we do, then we have more tax payers money for social care and people putting, you know, having their relatives in nursing homes find it very expensive already. so it's one of these issues where politically you say, yes, we must all do our own work and in practice you'll find it very difficult to put businesses to run if they don't get some foreign labour. but it's something that would happen over a period of time where we'd actually feel the change for it, surely, because if you look at things like, for example, nurses and doctors, we should be training people from the start in this country, making it easy for them to get that their qualifications. >> and you know, giving them the bursaries as we used to do instead of literally sending our skilled people elsewhere and then trying to import cheap laboun then trying to import cheap labour. come to labour. i'm going to come to you, stephen pound yeah, it's utterly absurd , isn't it? utterly absurd, isn't it? >> ludicrous. all those >> it's ludicrous. all those ridiculous think that we have

ridiculous to think that we have a cap medical if you a cap on medical schools. if you want be if you to want to be if you wanted to become tomorrow, you become a doctor tomorrow, you couldn't a medical couldn't get into a medical school. even if you had school. probably even if you had the qualifications, which you probably have on the because we have a cap on the number of medical students, equally nurses get equally nurses used to get a training bursary to help them training bursary to help them train for the three years to become a this is when you become a nurse. this is when you did the proper practical qualification the qualification rather than the nursing don't nursing 2000. and yet we don't pay nursing 2000. and yet we don't pay anymore. nursing 2000. and yet we don't payso anymore. nursing 2000. and yet we don't payso think|ore. nursing 2000. and yet we don't payso think|ore need to look at >> so i think we need to look at it by sector. it sector by sector. >> i think in cases of >> i think in the cases of medicine, i think we've got to stop, taking the cream stop, you know, taking the cream of the of manilla and taking the filipino nurses our filipino nurses to run our health filipino nurses to run our heabut filipino nurses to run our hea but in the filipino nurses to run our heabut in the area neal was >> but in the area that neal was a in, which is the a real expert in, which is the agricultural sector, we relied for years. >> mean, when was foryears. >> mean, when was lad, >> i mean, when i was a lad, i used to go potato picking up in hertfordshire, bashing. hertfordshire, spud bashing. we called used called it, and the people used to go picking hops. those days are gone, i think mechanised nafion are gone, i think mechanised nation in question nation may help in the question of fruit picking, but ultimately , socialists, i'm , like all good socialists, i'm a believer in market a great believer in market forces and i think if we haven't can't get people from tajikistan to people from to cornwall and people from bulgaria to work out down in kent, then the wages will go up.

and i think the wages of agriculture workers go up to a certain . that will certain point. that will solve the because people will the shortage because people will follow money. follow the money. >> you think ? yeah, i mean, but >> you think? yeah, i mean, but not entirely convinced by that. >> but we'll see. >> but we'll see. >> yeah , but why do you say >> yeah, but why do you say you're not convinced by it? >> neil? surely if the money goes up and you saw what happened with the, the lorry drivers, the fact that we couldn't foreign labour couldn't import foreign labour meant that we had the meant that we had to pay the people country better people of this country better wages, the wages, which was part of the idea brexit. would idea of brexit. why would that not work ? neil well, i actually, not work? neil well, i actually, i agree with neil. >> i'm, i'm extremely sceptical. >> i'm, i'm extremely sceptical. >> sorry on neil's frozen. >> sorry on neil's frozen. >> you speak . oh, sorry . >> you speak. oh, sorry. >> you speak. oh, sorry. >> neil's frozen. >> neil's frozen. >> there you are, neil. you're frozen. yeah. >> very painful . >> very painful. >> very painful. >> um, the reason that i'm sympathetic to, to neil's scepticism is , is that every scepticism is, is that every time you ask british workers to do something like fruit picking, they simply don't throw

themselves into it. and the way that foreign workers do, they don't want to do it . you know, don't want to do it. you know, we're not used to that sort of thing. well, it's high time we got used to that sort of thing. >> and, know, put some >> and, you know, you put some money they're not going to money up, they're not going to want to do that sort work. want to do that sort of work. >> i think. >> henry bolton i think. >> henry bolton i think. >> i think i think. >> i think i think. >> come back to you, neil, in a minute. i've got to get henry and i'll come back to neil after henry. yeah. and i'll come back to neil after heryeah. yeah. and i'll come back to neil after heryeah. yit's. and i'll come back to neil after heryeah. yit's a really >> yeah. look, it's a really complex thing . complex thing. >> simple answer to your >> the simple answer to your question, , yes, we question, nana is, yes, we should off cheap should wean ourselves off cheap foreign labour. >> that is a bit of a generalisation, though. i mean, in care for example , in the care sector, for example, we have brought in well over 50,000 up to 12 months to june , 50,000 up to 12 months to june, 50,000 up to 12 months to june, 50,000 care workers and more than that in terms of their dependence . but we've only dependence. but we've only reduced the vacancies in the care sector by 11,000. and the reason for that is because the government's own policy is to pay government's own policy is to pay care workers £7.86 an hour

if they're from abroad , if they if they're from abroad, if they come in with agencies and so on, rather than the minimum wage of £11.44. so we're pricing out the british workers. and when you think that most care homes are funded by county councils and so on, their budgets are limited, there have been a few points made about training a british nurse is going to have to make far more in the way of financial sacrifices to do the training than for example, the filipino nurse. so we in this country have really neglected the skills training, the professional training, the professional training and so on of our own workers . likewise, if you're workers. likewise, if you're poush workers. likewise, if you're polish and you want to retrain as a bricklayer , then you'll as a bricklayer, then you'll come. your government will pay for you to retrain . here, you for you to retrain. here, you have to jump through so many hoops and it's going to cost you well over £1,000 even to get qualified as a security guard for supermarket . so we are for a supermarket. so we are really pricing our own workers out of this because of government policy in relation to

training as well as as the entire immigration process, which really can be cut . we're which really can be cut. we're creating a situation where british employers and companies or organisations that employ agents , workers from abroad are agents, workers from abroad are actually be far better off economically by hiring foreign workers. so that's a major problem. nana you know, it's complex. the other thing i'd say is likewise , if you're here for is likewise, if you're here for five years, the chancellor has a real vested interest, which he's not told us about, which is that a foreign care worker isn't paying a foreign care worker isn't paying into pension schemes and therefore doesn't get tax relief and therefore is paying more tax. so, you know , are we tax. so, you know, are we exploiting these people, paying them less, pulling more , more them less, pulling more, more tax off them down, using their own countries for these people , own countries for these people, there's all sorts of things wrong with this nana it's a top to bottom and highly complex thing that needs to be unpacked and rebuilt. >> neil doesn't seem to think that we paid them more money

that if we paid them more money that if we paid them more money that would that much that would make that much difference. neil think difference. neil i think it depends the job. depends a little bit on the job. >> know, definitely >> i think, you know, definitely i agree with everybody on the training but when it training is right, but when it comes to sort of picking vegetables fruit, it's not vegetables and fruit, it's not everybody's when you get vegetables and fruit, it's not ev loweriy's when you get vegetables and fruit, it's not ev lower numbers when you get vegetables and fruit, it's not ev lower numbers of 1en you get vegetables and fruit, it's not ev lower numbers of unemployment to lower numbers of unemployment , to remember that , you've got to remember that those don't be those people don't want to be too controversial , but they too controversial, but they probably don't want to work particularly hard. and if you if you're a business trying you're running a business trying to actually get your fruit picked and your vegetables , very picked and your vegetables, very difficult sometimes to employ. and so that's why , of course, go and so that's why, of course, go very much for your foreign laboun very much for your foreign labour. but i think we do have to wean ourselves off it. but i think it will take time and i think it will take time and i think we do have to get greater incentive for our own workers and i would like to see really i don't really understand why students and these days don't really like to do some of this work because , you know, work because, you know, traditionally we did. but it has gone out of fashion . gone out of fashion. >> it really has. >> it really has. >> and i think that would be that really help. and that that would really help. and that would when it comes to would certainly when it comes to

skilled and semi—skilled labour, students could well fill that gap. i feel i think no, very briefly, if i may, second, carrots . the government does not carrots. the government does not say the idea of having a chain gang on the strawberry fields forever. >> that's bonkers. we're not going to force people down there, you know, at the at the end of a cattle prod to pick your strawberries. i think ultimately it's stick and it's carrot and it's necessarily carrot and it's not necessarily a carrot shaped stick. neil, as far i'm concerned, i'm more far as i'm concerned, i'm more of carrot person. i genuinely of a carrot person. i genuinely believe that carrot. yes. let's be honest. >> one second, one second, one. not all of you. so time you would get pickers . would get fruit pickers. >> okay. and one very brief thing. >> i'm going to say. hang on, hang on. i'm going to go to ann widdecombe and i was interested in the comment about students . in the comment about students. >> mean, it's quite true. >> i mean, it's quite true. i spent a summer holiday disbudding chrysanthemums . i disbudding chrysanthemums. i spent another easter holiday tying the knots in sausages in a sausage factory and i did that

because i wanted the money and students would take any job in those days. these days they tend to be far more looking for work experience . if you like experience. if you like something that's actually going to benefit them in the future. i think that's one of the reasons why students don't do the sort of stuff that we did. >> it might be something to do with tick tock well. final with tick tock as well. final word, you've got 20s. 205. >> e yeah . anne reminded me >> henry yeah. anne reminded me of this earlier. the point system . we have a point system system. we have a point system in this country , but the in this country, but the government seems to have no idea how to run a point system . you how to run a point system. you should on an ongoing should review it on an ongoing and constant basis, not simply write in the sort of effectively writing the number of points you need into law, which makes it almost impossible keep almost impossible to keep up with and changing with demand and the changing working . so our working environment. so our employment environment , it's employment environment, it's crucial that we apply it correctly . we're not doing so at correctly. we're not doing so at the moment. all right. >> finally then to all >> so final finally then to all of you, pound, it of you, stephen pound, is it time uk to stop relying time for the uk to stop relying on cheap foreign labour? yes or no? >> see, yes . >> see, yes. »- >> see, yes. >> yes, yes. henry bolton . yes.

>> yes, yes. henry bolton. yes. yep neil parish . yep neil parish. >> yes. but it will take some time. >> and ann widdecombe . >> and ann widdecombe. >> and ann widdecombe. >> yes, but we're going to have to work towards it. >> right. great lovely. thank you so much for your thoughts. stephen pound, former labour mp henry bolton, obe international security border control security and border control expert former tory expert neil parish. former tory mp and chair environmental, mp and chair of environmental, food rural affairs select food and rural affairs select committee, widdecombe, committee, and ann widdecombe, former minister of state for pnsons former minister of state for prisons former brexit party prisons and former brexit party mep. thank you so much for your thoughts. right, so that's what they what do you think at they think. what do you think at home? gb views gbnews.com. is it time stop relying on cheap time we stop relying on cheap foreign labour? labour, foreign labour? labour labour, labour neighbour your neighbour. coming up, we'll continue with the british debate this the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. think? i'll be hour. what do you think? i'll be speaking to my panellists. they'll be in to join me also we were discussing boris and the covid inquiry. but first let's get your latest news with ray addison . addison. >> thanks, nana 531 our top

stories. temperatures could drop to —12 tonight in parts of scotland. and after heavy snow led to disruption at glasgow airport, flights have been delayed and sporting events postponed . and amid freezing postponed. and amid freezing conditions . the met office has conditions. the met office has also issued an amber warning for cumbria , saying some areas could cumbria, saying some areas could see up to 15cm of snow . the see up to 15cm of snow. the ministry of defence has confirmed that a british soldier, major kevin mccall , has soldier, major kevin mccall, has been killed in kenya while off duty. the 32 year old who served in africa , europe, the middle in africa, europe, the middle east and the falkland has died on wednesday. defence secretary grant shapps has described him as an exceptional person and soldier . an as an exceptional person and soldier. an 84 year old man has died following a massive house explosion in edinburgh. 43 year old woman and a 54 year old man were also taken to hospital. a number of neighbouring properties were evacuated. police say there are no suspicious circumstance agencies

. football fans who were charged following violent disorder in birmingham on thursday night have been granted bail by west midlands police, saying that five officers were injured dunng five officers were injured during clashes ahead of aston villa's match against legia warsaw. almost 30 of the defendants were granted conditional bail, including a 22 year old polish woman who pleaded not guilty to violent disorder . a week of travel disorder. a week of travel disruption has begun as train drivers continue to strike over pay- drivers continue to strike over pay. no east midlands trains are running today and there's a limited service between london and scotland on l.n.e.r. aslef members have voted to continue taking industrial action for the next six months. the rail delivery group says that they should accept an 8% pay offer . should accept an 8% pay offer. well, you'll find more on all of those stories on our website. gbnews.com now let's get back to nana. >> thank you, ray. lots of you

got in touch when i asked about cop 28, i quickly briefly read some of them. i asked whether cop 28 should held online. cop 28 should be held online. david better question david said a better question should it be held at all? neil says he's on a train. on a train line. would be a good idea and lots of you getting in touch, lots of you getting in touch, lots of you saying definitely it should be king arthur says good team except annoying team nana except that annoying weatherman self—appointed weatherman turned self—appointed climate yeah , he climate expert. mr dale yeah, he can be a bit annoying, but he's interesting has some good interesting and he has some good views, it's good to him views, so it's good to have him on board. coming up on on board. what is coming up on the as voting begins? and the show as voting begins? and i'm celebrity be looking i'm a celebrity we'll be looking at whether farage at whether nigel farage can could as king of the .

7:00 this evening. gb news is the people's . the people's. channel >> good afternoon. if you just joined us, where the hell have you been? it's almost the end of the show. there's 21 minutes to go. sorry i'm nana quit. this is the gb news bit live on tv onune the gb news bit live on tv online and on digital radio. now it's continue that it's time to continue with that great this hour , great british debate this hour, i'm actually time i'm asking is it actually time for uk stop on for the uk to stop relying on cheap foreign labour? now there are calls for reforms to the visa system to prevent employers from overseas workers on from hiring overseas workers on the and all this comes the cheap. and all this comes following net following the record high net migration figures under the conservative . conservative government. however, a economist has however, a top economist has argued that the foreign workers and soaring numbers are and the soaring numbers are actually thing for the actually a good thing for the uk's post—pandemic labour shortage. some tory backbench

mps have declared cutting net migration a do or die issue ahead of the next election . so ahead of the next election. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking is it time for the uk to stop relying on cheap foreign labour? well, let's see what my panel make of that. joined by matthew that. i'm joined by matthew lanza and lizzie cundy . i'm lanza and lizzie cundy. i'm going to start with you, lizzie cundy. what do you think? >> well, this isn't what we voted for with brexit, was it? i'm say. don't look at i'm sorry to say. don't look at me like that, matthew. i was. i'm afraid we've got nearly 6 million on some sort of benefits, which is costing us over 1 billion. benefits, which is costing us over1 billion. so so i'm afraid we're breeding idle and a nation of hermits as well. from covid that don't want to go out there to work. and i know some people do have to be on benefits, but there are a lot that don't. and this needs sorting, especially after getting that huge net migration figures which were frightening . we are only a small frightening. we are only a small islands. we are bursting at the seams and we have foreign

students that come here and they bnng students that come here and they bring like 12 members of their family. sorry, that's not a student . that is our cost and student. that is our cost and our taxpayers money and taking the mickey sorry, a labour mule . the mickey sorry, a labour mule. >> it is . oh, yeah. come on. >> it is. oh, yeah. come on. what do you think, matthew? look, i think we do. >> i think look, i agree with lizzie to a certain extent, which is that we need to get more british workers , more more british workers, more people who could of working age in back employment. in britain back into employment. i absolutely key that i think it's absolutely key that we training and we give people training and support so that people support so that even if people are facing some issues their are facing some issues in their life, they work that's life, they can find work that's appropriate. because we all appropriate. and because we all know that work is really good for mental health, you know, and i think i was really struck by what lizzie said about hermits. i the fact that getting i think the fact that getting out house, know, out of the house, you know, going work can be vital. going to work can be vital. i mean, i'm to find myself mean, i'm going to find myself agreeing with ann widdecombe here for perhaps the only time agreeing with ann widdecombe he my)r perhaps the only time agreeing with ann widdecombe he my entire aps the only time agreeing with ann widdecombe he my entire life the only time agreeing with ann widdecombe he my entire life can only time agreeing with ann widdecombe he my entire life can inly time agreeing with ann widdecombe he my entire life can i do time agreeing with ann widdecombe he my entire life can i do an|e in my entire life can i do an oprah? know what? oprah? i know what? because i heard an say about people who stay here and go home is a phrase that she used. that's phrase that she used. and that's what when we were still

what we had when we were still in eu because we've in the eu because what we've seen a of people came seen is a lot of people came from from the eu who didn't from the from the eu who didn't bnng from the from the eu who didn't bring they bring families with them. they tended who tended to be younger people who wanted make wanted to go home to make a family their , you know, family to their, you know, because wanted to come and because they wanted to come and work for 2 3 years. now, work for 2 or 3 years. now, there issues about whether there were issues about whether that wages but that pushed wages down, but it did it did a did push away. it did to a certain push down. certain extent, push wages down. but at least it meant that people think that's about people and i think that's about getting it's getting the balance right. it's about wage. about setting the minimum wage. it'5 about setting the minimum wage. it's enforcing that we it's about enforcing so that we saw some examples people saw some bad examples of people not paying minimum not paying people the minimum wage was wage from outside. but that was the that was the kind of the sort of that was the kind of revolving door that saw. and revolving door that we saw. and that's we're that's gone. and what we're seeing people seeing is lizzie says, is people have these large numbers have seeing these large numbers of people who given a work of people who are given a work visa student visa are visa or a student visa who are then being lot of dependents then being a lot of dependents in, the in, and that's pushing the net migration which migration figures, which is worrying up. worrying people up. >> but also the thing with >> yeah, but also the thing with the eu is that the people from the eu is that because sterling was high at the time, send the money time, they would send the money back. so we didn't time, they would send the money back. get so we didn't time, they would send the money back. get the so we didn't time, they would send the money back. get the benefit we didn't time, they would send the money back. get the benefit of didn't time, they would send the money back. get the benefit of that|'t money. >> well, we got obviously we got a little of got the a little bit of we got the benefit of their of their work in economy, which sometimes benefit of their of their work in we onomy, which sometimes benefit of their of their work in we had1y, which sometimes benefit of their of their work in we had such1ich sometimes benefit of their of their work in we had such taking�*netimes when we had such taking advantage of the that

advantage of the fact that sterling did sterling was high, that did certainly that certainly help the fact that sterling rebalanced sterling has sort of rebalanced itself they've gone now itself and that they've gone now sterling itself, sterling is rebalanced itself, then come then they might not have come anyway. we've to get anyway. so we've got to get more. we've got to train and support our people to into work. >> but this is going to get worse keir starmer, your man gets. >> no, because we're going to put training. put more people in training. >> know i blame another >> you know what i blame another one your men, blair, one of your men, tony blair, who opened the floodgates to everyone because he opened the floodgates to everhoping because he opened the floodgates to everhoping get because he opened the floodgates to everhoping get votes.use he opened the floodgates to everhoping get votes. yes,1e was hoping to get votes. yes, thatis was hoping to get votes. yes, that is the truth of it. and he's lots. he's got lots. >> but eu people who were never allowed vote general allowed to vote in general elections, only in local elections. is, think elections. the thing is, i think actually alone actually labour and let alone get work the jobs and get trained to work the jobs and if they don't do you take if they don't do it, you take away benefits. why we need if they don't do it, you take an have benefits. why we need if they don't do it, you take an have asenefits. why we need if they don't do it, you take an have as a1efits. why we need if they don't do it, you take av1have as a nation.ihy we need if they don't do it, you take av1have as a nation. we we need if they don't do it, you take av1have as a nation. we needeed if they don't do it, you take av1have as a nation. we need to to have as a nation. we need to have mission to have an absolute mission to train particularly in train people, particularly in the technical skills that we neglected. know, think neglected. you know, i think labour 50% of labour was right to get 50% of people it was people into university. it was wrong to not to think enough about young about the other 50% of young people and giving them sustainable we're sustainable skills because we're all plumbers all going to need plumbers throughout you throughout our lives. and you know, joke about know, the old joke about about green they? green jobs, aren't they? >> will what exactly? >> which will be what exactly? >> which will be what exactly? >> those well >> i wonder what those well they're things like they're actually things like installing pumps but installing the heat pumps but

look know you i know look electric i know you i know you don't like an electric car nana there are things like nana but there are things like electric points, which electric charging points, which is a no, is a huge no, no. >> is a huge no, no. » m is a huge no, no. >> m other >> my friends blew up the other day. you know they're day. and do you know they're going to have to rebuild bridges, parks, because the bridges, car parks, because the batteries are too heavy. the weight too heavy. weight of the cars too heavy. but pve weight of the cars too heavy. but i've got but sadly, again, i've got to blame guys. tony blair, blame your guys. tony blair, education , education, education, education, education, education, which many in massive which left so many in massive debt and there wasn't enough focus on skills. now we always need a plumber. we always need a builder. and we haven't got those skills there was on the list. >> they are on graphic designers coming in, art directors. >> sorry , aren't there enough >> sorry, aren't there enough freelancers? i mean, ballerinas ? freelancers? i mean, ballerinas? >> well, kind of. yeah. >> well, that's kind of. yeah. you professions >> well, that's kind of. yeah. youinternational. professions >> well, that's kind of. yeah. youinternational. pr not sions are international. you're not going me dance now as going to make me dance now as well as an question. you well as do an open question. you know. not. i still know. absolutely not. i still haven't down the body haven't lived down the body popping popping of a few weeks ago. i sort a little bit. sort of moved a little bit. that's my that's of that's my that's my idea of dancing dance. no, i'm very bad dancen you dancing dance. no, i'm very bad dancer. you know , look, i dancer. but, you know, look, i think we do agree that we need to constantly as to constantly straight as a country across all political country and across all political parties giving giving parties on giving that giving people technical skills people those technical skills that that we because we

that that we need because we cannot just rely on a plumber from somewhere else. >> and the migration >> and also the migration figures scary. and that's figures are so scary. and that's not the illegals that are coming over and don't forget we've got migration 185 still waiting to be processed here, costing us 8.5 million a day. how be processed here, costing us 8.5 million a day . how are we 8.5 million a day. how are we able to do that? >> and that's bad for the people themselves. i was talking to a social worker yesterday who works asylum and works with asylum seekers and actually people want is actually all the people want is actually all the people want is a even if they're a decision, even if they're going be sent home. it's going to be sent home. it's nobody wants the hotels. it's bad people them. bad for the people in them. it's bad for the people in them. it's bad the taxpayer it's bad for the taxpayer and it's bad for the taxpayer and it's bad economy. so we need bad for the economy. so we need to only to stop the small boats only gives you focus and a good mindset. i want to see. i thought were going to given thought we were going to given us about goddamn us the plan about the goddamn stopping got my stopping the boats. i've got my five the five five points. i've got the five point which is number one point plan, which is number one sort those claims. sort and process those claims. but was but there was another there was another in there that another six pledge in there that he to rocket net he was going to rocket net migration. it's more complicated. no, no. complicated. no, no, no. net migration will under migration will go down under laboun is migration will go down under labour. is idea. there's >> this is green idea. there's 28 it was the green new 28 billion. it was the green new deal 28 billion. it was the green new deal. why they had deal. the reason why they had to stop was because was going stop it was because it was going to destabilise market. to destabilise the market. so he

never allowed to destabilise the market. so he ne come allowed to destabilise the market. so he ne come back allowed to destabilise the market. so he ne come back on allowed to destabilise the market. so he necome back on that. allowed to come back on that. >> am saying starmer >> am i saying keir starmer never migration in any never mentioned migration in any of his? >> t-l speak? >> okay, what is it? >> okay, what is it? >> no, no, no. i was >> finally? no, no, no. i was just going to say that. i mean, the jobs are part of the the green jobs are part of the of the of the future. enough already. >> right. let's talk of some great british voices. their opportunity to on show opportunity to be on the show and think and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. i've got four of you. alan cook you. let's start with alan cook in alan wright, al nana, in london. alan wright, al nana, thanks having me on again. thanks for having me on again. >> you still favourite. thanks for having me on again. >> whattill favourite. thanks for having me on again. >> whattill youfavourite. thanks for having me on again. >> whattill you think?te. thanks for having me on again. >> whattill you think? well. well well. >> this all stems from freedom of it's created wage of movement. it's created wage suppression uk , benefit suppression in the uk, benefit dependency, it's perpetuated dependency, and it's perpetuated reliance on imports and cheap laboun >> all of this should have been stopped by brexit, but unfortunately the tory party has decided to perpetuate it. >> so we're in the same situation and as it's a freedom , situation and as it's a freedom, great difficulties . great difficulties. >> and actually this is a bit alan, your sound is a bit off. >> we can't really hear you properly because it's a bit it might just be me, but your sound. >> no, no, we can't hear you.

>> so going to move on to >> so i'm going to move on to bnan >> so i'm going to move on to brian brian is brian doogan. brian doogan is there brian hi, there in solihull. brian hi, nana you doing? nana how are you doing? >> i'm good. mean, >> i'm good. yeah. i mean, i think it's i think it's very complex you know, complex because, you know, brexit was supposed to actually address some of the core of this . actually, net migration has gone up and the referendum and, and we are . oh you've gone as and we are. on you've gone as well . well. >> all right, don't worry. we're going to go to somebody else. then we'll go to jonathan jones in cornwall. jonathan, you let's try you. yeah yeah. >> i mean , i was talking to one >> i mean, i was talking to one of the great farmers in cornwall, david simmons, probably grows more cauliflowers in cornwall than anyone else in the world. >> and all of his labour comes from far east middle east countries . countries. >> so there's no way this country would feed itself if we relied on local so we relied on local labour. so we have to have people coming in tens thousands. that's have to have people coming in tenrthe thousands. that's have to have people coming in tenrthe problem.s. that's is not the problem. the problem is all these boats are somehow drifting across channel with drifting across the channel with nobody maybe nobody stopping them. maybe you should nobody stopping them. maybe you

sho nana maybe the security of >> nana maybe the security of the english channel needs privatising. >> maybe it does. and oh good. a gb news mug. nice. we'll have to get you the new style mug. it's a slightly different shape . a slightly different shape. jonathan. latte style have jonathan. the latte style have a look. we've got the latte style mug. it's coming. see that? look. we've got the latte style mu what coming. see that? look. we've got the latte style mu what goes ng. see that? look. we've got the latte style mu what goes in. see that? look. we've got the latte style mu what goes in. seemug ? look. we've got the latte style mu what goes in. seemug that >> what goes in the mug that matters now? >> tea , right? >> the best tea, right? >> the best tea, right? >> actually . what do you think ? >> actually. what do you think? >> actually. what do you think? >> i'm. good afternoon, nana. i need one of those mugs as well . need one of those mugs as well. um, they look amazing . need one of those mugs as well. um, they look amazing. um, i agree with jonathan. the majority and the backbone of the workforce in the uk is based on foreign immigrant labour. and this is in all sectors nana. >> it's represented in health, in agriculture for in you know, in agriculture for in you know, in bold, skilled and unskilled foreign work. >> so and we heard from other people, they said that foreign workers are hardworking and they consistent and they committed and they are doing jobs which a lot of people will not do . and lot of people will not do. and also at a fraction of the cost.

so to be honest , i also at a fraction of the cost. so to be honest, i think i agree with what jonathan has just said. you know, we do need immigration at labour. >> we do. but i'm going to come back to alan cook briefly, because you've got it sorted out. alan yeah, well, hopefully. >> you me ? >> can you hear me? >> can you hear me? >> yeah, hear you now. >> yeah, i can hear you now. that's better . that's better. >> that's good. >> that's good. >> microphone out. >> that's good. >> well,phone out. >> that's good. >> well, iione out. >> that's good. >> well, i was out. >> that's good. >> well, i was quicklyut. >> that's good. >> well, i was quickly saying that brexit at the end of the freedom of movement should have actually i'm going to move away from the computer. >> should have ended all of this problem. but the tories have actually perpetuated it by continuing the very poor visa policy. you no freedom of movement was for great the static unemployed in the eastern bloc of europe , but not very bloc of europe, but not very good for the working class in the uk. what we wanted and really should have had is free. bnan really should have had is free. brian so you know you've got about 205. >> brian yeah, i mean what i was trying to say nana was we haven't really addressed the core of it post referendum.

>> we haven't got it in control in terms of we do need immigrant workers, our whole economy almost seems based upon this. and in terms of we then need to say, well, what are we going to do? it's all right saying getting the numbers but getting the numbers down, but what are going to do in terms what are we going to do in terms of students of that? students well, actually, universities rely actually, our universities rely on students to pay the on overseas students to pay the funding . funding. >> but, brian, the issue is that we're not investing in our own people and we keep this heavy reliance. i'm running out of time. because we because of time. so because we because of all it out. all this mic issue, sort it out. voices next time. no thank you so much to all of you . which i am. >> it's not just me who gets told off, so everyone does. >> thank you so much, alan in london. brian doogan in solihull, jonathan in solihull, jonathan jones in cornwall, in cornwall, and dr. chesney in milton so milton keynes. thank you so much, guys. lovely to talk to you. to because you. i have to be nice because i'm going come back on again, i'm going to come back on again, right. the right. it's time now for the mini week. i want to mini debate this week. i want to look nigel i mean, look at nigel farage. i mean, he's there in the jungle as the voting on the show, two voting opens on the show, two labour now urged the

labour mps have now urged the pubuc labour mps have now urged the public not to vote to keep nigel farage. hell are they farage. what the hell are they talking ? right. to talking about? right. so to discuss, my panel, discuss, i've got my panel, lizzie lala. lizzie lizzie and matthew lala. lizzie well, they're jealous, obviously i >> -- >> he's getting all the, you know, every newspaper. he's on the front page. they're obviously jealous of him. he's popular. he's funny. he's popular. he's so funny. he's charismatic. he's doing so well . charismatic. he's doing so well. and i think there's a lot of green eyed mps and politicians out there. >> well, i certainly think that labour mp should have nothing better to do with their time. it's small business saturday. why aren't they out there with their are they their small businesses? are they rather than rather than criticising you know, criticising nigel, you know, they don't to vote for him, they don't have to vote for him, but mean it just but they're just i mean it just looks so, know, as looks petty and so, you know, as a person, would say, a labour person, i would say, look, choose who they look, let people choose who they want to stay or go in the jungle, you know, don't, jungle, but you know, don't, don't because don't make it petty because that just a lot of just puts people off a lot of them watching the show very them are watching the show very closely. it closely. you've never watched it before. particularly rishi, >> and particularly rishi, i mean, that's why he flew back from 20. was watching from the cop 20. he was watching it these in the private jet, it on these in the private jet, but they watch it because they can they don't want nigel to do well. he's a threat. and as i

said last week's show, he's coming with huge bang coming back with a huge bang into i'm a celeb. into politics after i'm a celeb. let me tell you, it feels like they're not really giving him they're not really giving him the to me. the airtime to me. >> i feel like they're sort of cutting him out. >> have paid him >> well, look, itv have paid him 1.5 and i think nigel 1.5 million and i think nigel didn't do himself any favours when he said, i want all the airtime to the trials. airtime to get all the trials. but now he was doing so well. he is getting the airtime. he was great night. if you the great last night. if you saw the show, see what i've show, i didn't see what i've recorded show, i didn't see what i've recii'vej show, i didn't see what i've recii've got to go. >> i've got to go. >> i've got to go. >> oh, he's fantastic. >> oh, he's fantastic. >> no spoilers. >> no spoilers. >> listen. so listen, >> no. listen. right. so listen, stay because for stay tuned because it's time for the quiz. of the quick fire quiz. the part of the quick fire quiz. the part of the show where i test my panel on some of the other stories in the laza your the headlines. matthew laza your buzzer, cundy, buzzer, please. lizzie cundy, your excellent. your buzzer, please. excellent. right. fabulous question one, please play along at home. what's for the what's the greek name for the elgin ? marbles? is it elgin marbles? marbles? is it a parthenon marbles? b parthenon marbles? is it b corner marbles or is it c, thrashing marbles? lizzie cundy . thrashing marbles? lizzie cundy. hey. hey. what do you think it is? hey you think it's part of a mother's? it is a parthenon marbles. >> nicola. nicola is sweet greek

honey. >> yes. >> yes. >> had a greek boyfriend. >> had a greek boyfriend. >> oh, did you go get the bill? >> oh, did you go get the bill? >> very good. very good. darling question two england goalkeeper mary ipsis was named bbc woman's footballer of the year . but what footballer of the year. but what club does she play for? is it a chelsea b? arsenal seaman oh, lizzie cundy. you didn't even press arsenal. arsenal and what do you think it is? see manchester united. united? the answer is it's lizzie said it was such complete confidence. >> no, she was totally wrong. >> no, she was totally wrong. >> i'm good at question three. what day did king charles give a speech at cop 28? was it a, thursday? b friday. c, saturday. lizzie cundy friday, friday. >> i thought it was friday, too. >> i thought it was friday, too. >> okay. what if you're wrong? it could have been thursday and it's friday. you're both right. it could have been thursday and it'wasday. you're both right. it could have been thursday and it'was friday.u're both right. it could have been thursday and it'was friday. yeah,)th right. it could have been thursday and it'was friday. yeah, that ght. it could have been thursday and it'was friday. yeah, that was it was friday. yeah, that was yesterday. he a little yesterday. he made a little speech and people wanted to speech and people wanted him to not but right . not do it. but he has right. question four what star wars character was quoted at cop 28? was a darth vader ? b, yoda or

was it a darth vader? b, yoda or c, obi—wan kenobi ? matthew laza. c, obi—wan kenobi? matthew laza. hey, who who was darth vader? danh hey, who who was darth vader? darth vader. >> i'm going for six. i'm going to it. yeah well, the to change it. yeah well, the answer is b, yoda. >> no, no, you said it with such confidence. >> matthew, you're totally wrong. >> i was actually guessing. >> i was actually guessing. >> oh >> i was actually guessing. >> on five former chancellor alistair darling has died aged. what age was he? 65. was he 70 or was he 80? matthew laughs. >> he was 70. he was very sad. >> he was 70. he was very sad. >> he was 70. he was very sad. >> he was lovely. he was a lovely man. lovely man. >> lucky enough, across the political divide, really political divide, people really respected political divide, people really res|so ted political divide, people really res|so it's sad. political divide, people really res|you're sad. political divide, people really res|you're absolutely right. it >> you're absolutely right. it was indeed. listen, it's was indeed. well, listen, it's been interesting , isn't it? been interesting, isn't it? bless heart. well, that's been interesting, isn't it? bl

former adviser. matthew former labour adviser. matthew laza. you so laza. thank you. thank you so much. and a huge thank you to you home for company. you at home for your company. i'll tomorrow, same i'll be back tomorrow, same time, with the time, same place with the fabulous hamilton fabulous christine hamilton and danny kelly. i'll leave you with the enjoy looks like the weather. enjoy it looks like things are heating up . things are heating up. >> boxt boilers sponsor us of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello. welcome to your latest gb news weather. i'm ellie glaser . after a very cold couple glaser. after a very cold couple of days for most of us it looks like something a little bit milder is on the way in the south of the uk through the weekend. this area of low pressure to the southwest pressure out to the southwest gradually us. gradually moves towards us. but for low for the here and now, low pressure in charge, bringing for the here and now, low pressur

turning very cold. we could see minus eight or minus ten across parts perhaps, but parts of scotland perhaps, but perhaps just touch milder perhaps just a touch milder across south—west compared perhaps just a touch milder ac recent south—west compared perhaps just a touch milder ac recent nightsi—west compared perhaps just a touch milder ac recent nights .-west compared perhaps just a touch milder ac recent nights . as st compared perhaps just a touch milder ac recent nights . as we ompared perhaps just a touch milder ac recent nights . as we start|red perhaps just a touch milder ac recent nights . as we start oni to recent nights. as we start on sunday, those showers could bnng sunday, those showers could bring stretches to many bring some icy stretches to many , particularly across the central of the uk. but central swathe of the uk. but those showers across the southwest to their southwest continue to push their way eastwards as we go way north and eastwards as we go through into sunday afternoon, perhaps times perhaps turning heavy at times and wintry over the hills across parts and northern parts of wales and northern england. parts of scotland, though staying drier though generally staying drier but definitely feeling cold, though generally staying drier but partsinitely feeling cold, though generally staying drier but parts perhapseling cold, though generally staying drier but parts perhaps staying ld, though generally staying drier but parts perhaps staying below some parts perhaps staying below freezing sunday freezing through sunday afternoon , however, still milder afternoon, however, still milder again the south—west into again across the south—west into monday. further rain pushes its way south and eastwards as we go into monday afternoon. again there could wintry there could be some wintry elements across parts of wales and england, but and northern england, but staying dry still across parts of northern of scotland and northern ireland. that continues to ireland. that rain continues to clear its way through monday, leaving but colder day leaving a drier but colder day on wednesday . that on tuesday and wednesday. that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on .

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preparatory school in sussex, which has appointed, if that's the right word, a chat bot, an ai presence as a principal headteacher. all that and lots of chat with my amazing panellist and friend , tom buick. panellist and friend, tom buick. but first, an update on the news headunes but first, an update on the news headlines with radisson . headlines with radisson. >> thanks, neil. our top stories tonight, fresh weather warnings for snow and ice are in force until midday tomorrow for many parts of the uk, forecast as, say, temperatures could drop to minus 12 in parts of scotland. the met office has also issued an amber warning for cumbria , an amber warning for cumbria, saying some areas could see up to 15cm of snow. meteorologist jon hammond says the cold temperatures won't last that long, though the focus of the cold shifting northwards, something a bit milder, trying to push in from the south. >> then the cold air sweeps back south again later on monday into tuesday. so we're not waving goodbye to this cold spell just

yet.