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with deputy leader of reform uk ben habib and the former editor of the labourlist, peter edwards. before we get edwards. but before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines with aaron armstrong . armstrong. >> very good afternoon to you. it's 3:00 here in the gb newsroom. um, a man's died in freezing conditions overnight after a body was found in a car in nottingham. police are investigating. they've described the incident as tragic but are not treating it as suspicious. meanwhile, around 2500 people in cumbria could be without power until late tonight after heavy snow . electricity north—west snow. electricity north—west says teams are struggling to reach sections of the damaged network. weather warnings for snow and ice remain in place for many parts of the country. senior meteorologist jim dale says the milder conditions over the could lead to the coming days could lead to flooding. >> give or take that area saw about a foot of snow level snow that now that if you melt that snow, which is what meteorologists do, it equates to aninch meteorologists do, it equates to

an inch tomorrow we got another system coming in, another system which has got low pressure attached to it's quite a tight, tight thing. so there'll be wind, but also heavy weight rain as all that snow down as well. now, all that snow down in and not just monday, but on wednesday as well, quite heavyweight rain. so all this snow and the rain attached to it that's coming . i think we might that's coming. i think we might be looking floods in midweek. be looking at floods in midweek. >> man's been killed >> again, a man's been killed and two people, including a british tourist, injured in what the french president has described terrorist attack the french president has de parised terrorist attack the french president has de paris . terrorist attack the french president has de paris . it terrorist attack the french president has de paris . it happenedt attack the french president has de paris . it happenedt attéthe in paris. it happened near the eiffel tower last night. officials have confirmed a german tourist died after being attacked with a knife and a hammer. a 26 year old french national who is known to security services has been arrested. the suspect reportedly told police he was upset about muslims dying in gaza and afghanistan . tributes are being afghanistan. tributes are being paid to baroness kinnock, who has died in the early hours of this morning at the age of 79. the family of the former minister mep and wife of the ex—labour leader, lord kinnock, says she was proud democratic says she was a proud democratic

socialist who campaigned for justice and against poverty all her life. she was diagnosed with alzheimer's in 2017. sir keir starmer described her as a pioneering woman and a true fighter for the labour party . an fighter for the labour party. an extra £15 million will reportedly be given to rwanda to take migrants who arrive in the uk illegally . that's on top of uk illegally. that's on top of the £140 million already received . the sunday times says received. the sunday times says the additional funds aim to secure a treaty so the east african country also takes asylum seekers who cross the channelin asylum seekers who cross the channel in small boats . the uk channel in small boats. the uk will carry out surveillance flights over the middle east to find hostages held by hamas. more than 130 people are still being held captive in gaza, where fighting has resumed following a week long truce. the ministry of defence says the unarmed flights will not have a combat role . meanwhile, israel combat role. meanwhile, israel is continuing to carry out intense air strikes in southern gaza. the hamas run health ministry says seven palestinians were killed and several other people injured during a raid on

rafah city. the united states has called on israel to avoid further harm to civilians in its fight against hamas. further harm to civilians in its fight against hamas . there's fight against hamas. there's ongoing travel chaos again today as train drivers stage another day of strikes . aslef union day of strikes. aslef union members have launched a series of walkouts in their dispute over pay. great northern thames link and avanti west coast trains have been cancelled at chiltern railways in west midlands. railway services are also affected and we are on tv, on digital radio and on your smart speaker too. if you want us there. just say play gb news now it's back to nana . now it's back to nana. >> right. good afternoon. well, here's what's coming up today. >> bereaved israeli and palestinian families are coming together as part of an anti hate vigil outside downing street. relatives who have lost loved onesin relatives who have lost loved ones in the conflict between israel and palestine warned that their bereavement cannot be used

to promote hatred. we'll be there live. then. do you trust starmer's thatcher spiel .7 well, starmer's thatcher spiel? well, i mean, the labour leader has heaped praise on margaret thatcher for affecting meaningful change in britain as he launched an explicit appeal to conserve voters to switch to laboun to conserve voters to switch to labour. but this is just another spineless move from captain flip flop. then is it time for the king to take action as harry and meghan face a mounting backlash over their silence on the royal racism claims made by their mouthpiece obits , gobio scabies mouthpiece obits, gobio scabies or scooby—doo , as i like to call or scooby—doo, as i like to call him. the king has actually stayed silent. he's been too busy making speeches at a global climate change conference called cop and eight. wonder what cop 20 and eight. wonder what the carbon footprint is. so now i want to know, is it time for king charles to take action on the racism row and get the royal racism row and get this, rishi sunak is set to hand rwanda at least £15 million more to sign a treaty to make asylum seekers deported the it seekers deported from the uk. it has emerged now the money will be on of the 140 million be on top of the 140 million already given to kigali as part

of a plan for the east african country to accept asylum seekers who have arrived in the uk via small boats. all of that is small boats. now all of that is coming up hour. tell me coming up this hour. tell me what think of everything what you think of everything we're discussing. views we're discussing. email gb views gbnews.com tweet me at . gb gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. now, israeli and palestinian families are coming together as part of an anti—hate vigil . relatives who have lost vigil. relatives who have lost loved ones in the conflict between israel and palestine warned that their bereavement cannot be used to promote hatred. joining me now our hatred. so joining me now is our london reporter lisa lisa hartle, there. lisa, thank hartle, who's there. lisa, thank you so much forjoining me. talk to me about this march. how has it been? have you spoken to some of the people there? >> hello. yes well, speaking to some of the organisers, they've said that they wanted to organise this because we've all seen the number of hate crimes against people from the jewish community and the muslim community and the muslim community rise since the conflict began on the 7th of

october. and this is the first time we've seen an event like this where people can come together to show support for all the victims on both sides of the conflict, rather than because we've seen many pro—palestinian marches and marches in support of israel , but not one where of israel, but not one where everyone's invited to come along. and it is a combined event like this one. so as you can hear, it's the vigil has just started. there's going to be a number of different speakers here from various different faiths giving talks. everyone, is invited everyone, they say, is invited to come along, but they are saying want any saying they don't want any placards flags because this placards or flags because this is a shared safe space for humanity . and also talking to humanity. and also talking to organisers here, they say that they believe many people are afraid at the moment to show empathy for either side . they empathy for either side. they say that many people are afraid if they empathise with with palestine, then they'll be accused of being supporters of hamas and equally if they show that they are empathetic for the people of israel, that they are then being accused of being

supporters of the israeli government. but they say that's not the case. you can show empathy for people, for humanity there. like i said , there'll be there. like i said, there'll be speakers from various different faith leaders, but also people who have lost loved ones in palestine and also also in israel. so they're going to be sharing their stories this afternoon. there's a couple of celebrities that i've spotted as well, showing their support. jemima goldsmith, the screenwriter, writer, and rob bnnda screenwriter, writer, and rob brinda , also known judge brinda, also known as judge rinder. he's here. and it sounds like it's going to be a very special ending today as special ending to today as they're handing out lanterns and they're handing out lanterns and they're all they're inviting people to all light lanterns and as a show light the lanterns and as a show of solidarity and what they hope will be a fight against the against the rising division and hatred we're seeing in some hatred that we're seeing in some parts to send parts of society to send a message . message. >> well, thank you very much, lisa. good to talk to you. thank you. that's lisa hartle. she's there this march. but joining there at this march. but joining me studio now is reverend me in the studio now is reverend hayley she's a speaker from hayley ace. she's a speaker from the action against the christian action against anti—semitism good anti—semitism. now. really good to hayley. thank

to talk to you, hayley. thank you me. so talk to me you for having me. so talk to me about what's happened this morning the march or the. it morning. the march or the. it was not really it was kind of a protest, really, wasn't it, this morning that you. it was, yeah. >> i mean, essentially we what happened on the 8th of october for happened and it was an atrocity. it was brutal. >> it was savage. >> it was savage. >> and yet the un women have said nothing. >> it took them 53 days to even acknowledge or condemn. >> and even then it was very wishy washy and they do condemn other crimes. >> but when against israeli >> but when it's against israeli women, different ? and so women, is it different? and so it a kind like we're it was a kind of like we're making a stand because this is unacceptable making a stand because this is unaccepteknow this was quite >> and i know this was quite important because we were hoping to get a speaker on board. we can't get through to this connection at the moment. who actually was there? i know after the awful things that happened on the seventh. yeah. to sort of clear away things. and he described a horrendous atrocities and things that he saw . you talk about some of the saw. you talk about some of the crimes against women and if

anyone listening at home is a bit squeamish, obviously some of the detail we might give you might a little bit disturbing might be a little bit disturbing for you. so just be ready for that. but talk to me about some of the things were reported of the things that were reported and some of the atrocities, but not much not obviously in too much detail. are before the watershed. >> okay. >> okay. >> women were sexually assaulted , rape. >> we say that . >> we say that. >> we say that. >> yeah, they were raped with such force. >> some of them their pelvis was broke. babies were removed from women's stomachs. >> they were violated with weapons, raped with weapons as their internal organs on one of them was removed via her birth canal with a with a with a knife i >>i >> i mean, the brutality, the savage attack was just unprecedented. i've never heard of anything like this on one occasion. there's witnesses that said that there was a woman. >> she was being raped and they

removed her breasts and threw them around . them around. >> it's just i them around. >> it'sjust i mean , we need them around. >> it's just i mean , we need new >> it's just i mean, we need new words. >> i don't think evil even describes it . describes it. >> brutal is just not enough . >> brutal is just not enough. >> brutal is just not enough. >> it's barbaric. yeah. actually it is barbaric. and actually , i it is barbaric. and actually, i think we've managed to get the aoc, who is somebody who was there after words, you'll see atlanta. so we're going to go to him live. he's there in israel . him live. he's there in israel. yossi landau, yossi , it's really yossi landau, yossi, it's really good to talk to you. and again, just to warn viewers and listeners that some of the things that we may describe are somewhat and somewhat disturbing and alarming. so we want to just let let let them be aware of this. but yossi, talk to me about your role, because i know that you were there after the brutal, brutal attacks . brutal attacks. >> correct? good afternoon . >> correct? good afternoon. >> correct? good afternoon. >> and yes, i was there in october in the morning at my

house. my children , without house. my children, without giving them even when i'm coming back , we arrived me and my team, back, we arrived me and my team, we are in a volunteer organisation and that we collect the body pieces and our job is the body pieces and ourjob is to respond , collect the remains . to respond, collect the remains. and to respect the lives and the remains . and we were there and remains. and we were there and what we saw that made us we can't go home. we can't hug our children . we can't live our children. we can't live our grandchildren . we can't , we grandchildren. we can't, we couldn't because the brutality , couldn't because the brutality, the we saw when we came into the house, we saw the family while the father and mother there were

there were attacked. there were there were attacked. there were the mother was missing a breast. the father was missing an eye. and the two children sitting against them, against in the room , the same room. and they room, the same room. and they were cut off fingers and those terrorists were eating in the middle, eating the meal. but this more and more we found we found children. i would say, i don't know children . there were don't know children. there were i would say from the age of 13 to 18, there were just piled up and burned alive , the hands tied and burned alive, the hands tied to the back . and this is what we to the back. and this is what we saw more and more. we never over 33 decades, 33 years, i'm in this force . so everything we this force. so everything we thought so, but nothing like this . this. >> it's thank you so much for your eyewitness account . you

your eyewitness account. you struggling with your mic. so we'll leave it there. but it's just horrendous. yossi landau , just horrendous. yossi landau, thank you for making time to talk to us while still in the studio with me is haley. reverend haley? yeah this is. but the fact that a lot of the brutality, especially against women and the rapes that you talked about, as you said, it's been quite a quiet thing , hasn't been quite a quiet thing, hasn't it? it has. what are you hoping to achieve with your your march and your and your. we're hoping to raise awareness that un women and women , the organisations and women, the organisations that are there to support women who haven't, who have remained silent, it's sort of an insidious silence like what message are they sending? >> and a really amazing quote by dimitri bonhoeffer, who stood up against the nazis. he said, silence in the face of evil is evil itself. if not to speak is to speak out. and i really feel that the general feeling on the ground is if they're not speaking, they are sending a message . and to take 53 days

message. and to take 53 days when they do condemn other attacks is it because the victims were israeli? is it is it because the attacks happened in israel ? do they not condemn in israel? do they not condemn attacks committed by hamas ? attacks committed by hamas? >> yeah, but of course, there are lots of people dying in in gaza as well. >> absolutely. it's awful. >> absolutely. it's awful. >> yeah, it just needs to stop, doesn't it? yeah. i just hope to see a quick end to the conflict. yes thank you so much for joining me. >> thank you so much for having me. >> it's been a pleasure to talk to you. thank you. all right. so that of course, is reverend haley. she's here live in the studio. this is gb news. we're live on tv online, on the digital it's just coming digital radio. it's just coming up after 3:00. up to 16 minutes after 3:00. i'm nana akua. coming up, do you trust thatcher's spiel trust starmer's thatcher's spiel now? all, now? he's been giving you all, giving talk . it's now? he's been giving you all, giving talk. it's in giving it all the talk. it's in front of a couple of papers. the labour leader has heaped praise on margaret for on margaret thatcher for effecting change effecting meaningful change in britain he launched an britain as he launched an explicit appeal to conservative voters to switch to labour. i mean, come on, is this another spineless move from captain flip

flop then? is it time for the king to take action as harry and meghan faced mounting backlash over the silence on the royal racism claims made by their mouthpiece, omid scobie. i will just out that he didn't just point out that he didn't call racism. he called it. call it racism. he called it. what that word? bias. what was that word? bias. unconscious bias. what was that word? bias. unconscious bias . yeah. no. king unconscious bias. yeah. no. king charles. he's been busy making speeches at cop 28. so i want to know, is it time for king charles to take action against all of this? send me your thoughts. email gbviews@gbnews.com. tell me what you tweet me you think. you can also tweet me at news. but let's get an at gb news. but let's get an update

isabel, monday to thursdays from six till 930 . six till 930. >> good afternoon . it's fast >> good afternoon. it's fast approaching 20 after three. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. welcome on board now, sir keir starmer has heaped praise on margaret thatcher for effective affecting meaningful change in britain as he launched an explicit appeal to conservative voters to switch to labour in a shift from his staunch opposition to britain's departure from the eu before becoming leader , sir keir added becoming leader, sir keir added that the conservatives have failed to realise the possibilities of brexit. hang on a minute, what's. i'm confused, but what i want to know is do you do you trust starmer? thatcher's spiel ? you do you trust starmer? thatcher's spiel? i'm going to start with you, ben habib . oh, start with you, ben habib. oh, no , i'm not me. i'm just. i'm no, i'm not me. i'm just. i'm just saying, if you remember who

you were. you were. >> you were. >> well, i mean, you can't trust starmer for in it. you can't trust him as far as you could throw him. how can he suddenly turn around and start, you know, saying he believes in thatcher's values? he just doesn't. and he doesn't in brexit. he doesn't believe in brexit. he wants to take us back to the european union. he was caught, as have debated as peter and i have debated before montreal, saying he before in montreal, saying he wanted us in lockstep regulatory lockstep all a sudden he's union. now, all of a sudden he's talking ditching european union. now, all of a sudden he's talkinglaws, ditching european union. now, all of a sudden he's talkinglaws, regulations uropean union. now, all of a sudden he's talkinglaws, regulations and ean union laws, regulations and striding out for a new united kingdom based on national policies that suit the british people. i mean, the man's all over the place. but what he's trying to do, i think politically is out position the tories he's coming around tories and he's coming around the right flank of the tories, which way, isn't which by the way, isn't difficult because the tories haven't a right haven't really got a right flank. he's coming flank. you know, he's coming around on the right and occupying no occupying that ground. but no one's going to believe him, no one's going to believe him, no one's to believe starmer. one's going to believe starmer. it's fail. it's going to fail. >> what do think, peter? >> what do you think, peter? >> what do you think, peter? >> before we get into keir starmer, want to pay starmer, i just want to pay tribute to baroness kinnock, whose was announced today. whose death was announced today. former minister senior former labour minister senior mep the wife of

mep and of course the wife of labour leader kinnock. labour leader neil kinnock. and obviously relatively obviously there's relatively few people on people know the burden on families of being a leader. and of course she was a minister and a senior figure in her own right as well. yeah keir starmer and splashed the sunday telegraph , splashed the sunday telegraph, which is unusual in itself. i read the article, there was only about one sentence in it about baroness thatcher. i think what he's doing as leader of the opposition is trying to appeal to conservative voters, which is kind of essential if want to kind of essential if you want to get elected. >> yeah, it feels like it >> yeah, but it feels like it doesn't feel very genuine . i doesn't feel very genuine. i mean, let's be honest, he's been pretty much the opposite of what he's now saying that he has some respect for. it just seems a bit odd. >> well, i'm not so sure. if you think about it, the blair government, although they did lots of progressive things, gay rights, minimum wage and devolution so on, they devolution and so on, they didn't really roll back the thatcher era legislation, legislation about trade unions and then also there's this broader habit about what leaders of the opposition praising the other side, because you obviously a coalition

obviously you want a coalition across the country. and remember, his remember, david cameron, his first 24 hours in downing street, he obviously stuck the boot into labour government. but he also said britain is a fairer, equal place, which he also said britain is a fairoften equal place, which he also said britain is a fairoften took|ual place, which he also said britain is a fairoften took asl place, which he also said britain is a fairoften took as a)lace, which he also said britain is a fairoften took as a kind. which he also said britain is a fairoften took as a kind of hich he also said britain is a fairoften took as a kind of hat we often took as a kind of hat tip to things like gay rights and devolution again. so there is a common tradition of is quite a common tradition of a leader of the opposition or a new prime minister saying, sure , new prime minister saying, sure, the and girls did the other guys and girls did some i agree with and some stuff. i agree with and something i disagree with and showing degree respect showing a degree of respect to other party leaders. showing a degree of respect to oth butarty leaders. showing a degree of respect to oth but whataaders. showing a degree of respect to oth but what about. showing a degree of respect to oth but what about his about >> but what about his about turn, it feels on turn, which it feels like on brexit he's talking about brexit now he's talking about grasping all the possibilities and opportunity ? well, think and opportunity? well, i think before was talking about before he was talking about another vote. >> well, i think that's an about turn in millions of votes because millions of us voted remain. but we are are. remain. but we are where we are. we've got to make the best economically and socially for britain from the we're britain from the position we're in. and think in. that's my view. and i think that's view that's probably his view as well. >> he's hanging out with the >> but he's hanging out with the likes tony blair and tony likes of tony blair and tony blair is pretty much i don't think tony blair supported mrs. thatcher and would. tony thatcher at all. and would. tony blair ardent remainer. thatcher at all. and would. tony blairthere'srdent remainer. thatcher at all. and would. tony blairthere'srden differenter. things.

>> w- things. >> conflate baroness >> let's not conflate baroness thatcher who, remember, wore that jumper with all the that eu jumper with all the flags in the 1970s. and flags on in the 1970s. and then what's brexit what's happening with brexit now. again, back now. but again, going back to the the one that says the point he's the one that says that we must grab all the opportunities brexit opportunities that brexit will give who would give us. well, who would disagree that? give us. well, who would dis'yet e that? give us. well, who would dis'yet only that? give us. well, who would dis'yet only athat? give us. well, who would dis'yet only a few? give us. well, who would dis'yet only a few years >> yet only a few years previously he was talking about another another another vote, another referendum, only three weeks ago. >> three weeks ago he was saying, going to move lock saying, we're going to move lock in, with eu in, lock step with eu regulatory, know , with regulatory, you know, with eu regulatory, you know, with eu regulatory , we're regulatory alignment, we're going to be aligned with the eu. thatis going to be aligned with the eu. that is not taking advantage of brexit. that effectively brexit. that is effectively giving the giving up on brexit through the back door. i think the problem i think problem here, peter, think the problem here, peter, is starmer can't be trusted is that starmer can't be trusted to on his to stay consistent on his position and even though he is naturally agree with you naturally i agree with you appealing to conservative voters in into office. in order to get into office. he's in such a brazen, he's doing it in such a brazen, clearly dishonest manner that he's trashing own . he's trashing his own. >> and why is it dishonest to pay >> and why is it dishonest to pay tribute to baroness thatcher in just one sentence in a wider article? why is that dishonest? >> well, he clearly not >> well, he clearly does not believe of

believe in the promotion of private enterprise. he doesn't believe in the reduction of taxes. he doesn't believe in deregulating . all of these were deregulating. all of these were principles that margaret thatcher held dear. but he doesn't believe in any of those. so what he should be doing is making a virtue of what he believes in. so that the populace actually know what they're voting for. it'll be deeply distressing for everyone . deeply distressing for everyone. yet again, if he gets into office, which looks likely almost irrespective of what he says. but if he gets into office having made promises which he then breaches again, you know, people are sick and tired of parliament doing that, sick and tired of parliamentarians standing to the standing in opposition to the democrats will of the people to and lie in order to get into office is the worst possible thing. >> hold on, hold on. that's that's so broad and woolly. i think there's no evidence to decide anything. i think that's completely inappropriate. you can people or say can disagree with people or say they've got the wrong ideas, but inventing they've lied inventing story they've lied about me is beyond about something to me is beyond the pale. but pick one the pale. but let's pick one specific you specific example business. you said not pro—business

said he's he's not pro—business or he's anti entrepreneurial. and that somehow puts him in contradiction baroness contradiction with baroness thatcher. there a labour thatcher. but is there a labour policy business you policy on business that you disagree with? can you name one? >> there isn't a pro business policy from either party. neither party about, neither party is talking about, for example , reducing for example, reducing corporation tax, neither party is talking about reducing business rates, neither party is talking about the need to cut back on employers. please be specific, though. >> is there one labour policy you disagree with? >> but he's got no policies for the promotion of the private sector. not true. the sector. that's not true. the problem, we've got problem, the problem we've got in this country is that the state bloated, so in need state is so bloated, so in need of cash actually , whether of cash that actually, whether you're conservative or labour, all you're doing is taxing and borrowing , taxing, taxing the borrowing, taxing, taxing the populists and borrowing from the populists and borrowing from the populists in order to finance your needs. and what's happened as a result of that is you've got the state in competition with the private sector for access to capital. the state is no longer guardian of the private sector. it is now in competition with the private

sector . and if you think starmer sector. and if you think starmer is going to roll that back, you've got another thing coming. there is no way has any there is no way he has any intention removing intention of removing the tentacles of state our tentacles of state from our daily lives . daily lives. >> i've got to dive in because this without any this is so generic without any detail . well, and went on for so detail. well, and went on for so long. great detail. it went on for so long. let me give one example. business rates. so i've run company think run a small company and i think you in your life you have as well in your life outside politics. labour have said would reform how said they would reform how business rates work because business rates work because business rates work because business rates really business rates are really unpopular . and as you unpopular among smes. and as you know, employ more than 90% know, smes employ more than 90% of the private sector workforce. so that's a concrete example. but it's not, he said. >> we've got to reform them, you've got to slash them. it's not reform. cut it. how are you going to how are you? there's not matter of reform. it's a not a matter of reform. it's a matter of slashing tax. we've got to take our corporation tax rate no one's talking rate down. no one's talking about got to ditch about that. we've got to ditch our 30. how would you pay for. no is talking about that. no one is talking about that. we've got got to slash we've got to we've got to slash business rates. no one's talking about get the business rates. no one's talking aboutof get the business rates. no one's talking aboutof the get the

business rates. no one's talking aboutof the european get the business rates. no one's talking aboutof the european union: the knee of the european union regulatory nightmare off the neck of british private enterprise. talking enterprise. no one's talking about that. and i'm going to say it he is lying when he it again, he is lying when he says he wants to take advantage of brexit because he is the of brexit because he is on the record literally. a few weeks ago you i had this debate ago you and i had this debate and i had get my phone out and i had to get my phone out and i had to get my phone out and prove it to you on google in montreal. said that he montreal. when he said that he wanted in alignment wanted to remain in alignment with man is all with the eu. so this man is all over the place in order to get his agenda across the line. he he hasn't got he hasn't got a bone of integrity. >> i think the personal stuff goes down like cup of cold goes down like a cup of cold sick viewers. and when sick with the viewers. and when conservative ben ben, you conservative ben, ben, ben, you spoke so long, you spoke for spoke for so long, you spoke for so long, people have boiled a whole and begun whole kettle and begun their afternoon while afternoon tea. while you're speaking, personal speaking, the personal stuff goes badly. goes down so badly. >> and that wasn't personal. >> and that wasn't personal. >> i, i think i think >> and i, i think i think calling someone a liar, i think calling someone a liar, i think calling a liar. calling someone a liar, i think caliwell, a liar. calling someone a liar, i think caliwell, he a liar. calling someone a liar, i think caliwell, he is a liar. calling someone a liar, i think caliwell, he is he's.iar. calling someone a liar, i think caliwell, he is he's a r. calling someone a liar, i think caliwell, he is he's a really >> well, he is he's a really charging him again. >> ben, ben, ben, ben. >> ben, ben, ben, ben. >> you're lying to the population you say you're a population if you say you're a thatcherite and you want to take advantages brexit advantages of brexit opportunities, don't. opportunities, you don't. you

want us back closely want to take us back as closely to as possible, which is to the eu as possible, which is a socio a progressive socialist economic model, totally anti thatcher. there you are, folks . thatcher. there you are, folks. >> listen to you, peter. >> listen to you, peter. >> it's just a rant. >> listen to you, peter. >> it'sjust a rant. i could >> it's just a rant. i could have written ben's script in my sleep. >> well, last word to you, though. what do you think? final word to you? >> i don't think there's anything wrong with trying to say that. there some things say that. there are some things that thatcher did that every main party accepted subsequently, we subsequently, even though we disagree enormously on things like relations and like industrial relations and the deindustrialisation of the north , to say north of england, to say everything thatcher did is wrong doesn't sense. and ben's doesn't make sense. and ben's policy of a plague on all your housesis policy of a plague on all your houses is what the small and, i'm afraid large , irrelevant i'm afraid large, irrelevant minor parties have to say. well well, that's not personal ehhen >> well, let's have a quick look at you've been saying. at what you've been saying. >> oh, i'll put this one in. jane look amazing jane says, you look amazing today that dress. that colour today in that dress. that colour really suits you. thank you. robert trust robert says, i do not trust starmer bit. a wolf in starmer one bit. he's a wolf in sheep's clothing and so desperate to get into power. oscar says, thank you for having

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sentenced to four years in prison in 2016 for planning another attack has been arrested . an extra £15 million will reportedly be given to rwanda as part of a stop the boats treaty . part of a stop the boats treaty. that's on top of £140 million already received from the uk to take asylum seekers the sunday times says the government's trying to secure a deal which will see migrants who cross the channel illegally also being sent to the east african country . and tributes are being paid to baroness kinnock, who has died at the age of 79. the family of the former minister mep and wife of ex—labour leader lord kinnock says she was a proud democratic socialist who campaigned for justice and against poverty all her life . she was diagnosed with her life. she was diagnosed with alzheimer's in 2017. sir keir starmer has described her as a pioneering woman and a true fighter for the labour party . fighter for the labour party. and you can get more on all of our stories on our website. it's gbnews.com we'll have more news in about half an hour's time. now back to nana .

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3:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. don't forget as well. you can download the gb news app. it is completely free. you can check out all the programmes on the channel, but right now of course it's time to go head to head. and the next topic of discussion rishi sunak. now he's set to hand rwanda at least 15 million to a treaty to million more to sign a treaty to take asylum seekers deported from the uk. now the money will actually on top of what we actually be on top of what we already know of 140 million that's been given to kigali as part of the for the east part of the plan for the east african country to accept asylum seekers in the seekers who have arrived in the uk via small boats. seekers who have arrived in the uk via small boats . so joining uk via small boats. so joining me to go head to head is deputy leader of reform uk, ben habib, and also peter edwards, former editor for the labourlist . peter editor for the labourlist. peter edwards, i'm going to start with you.the edwards, i'm going to start with you. the 15 million extra bit. what do you think it feels like throwing good money after bad? >> because i don't believe in the rwanda scheme. i think it's very also on a pragmatic. >> is cruel? sorry, you >> why is it cruel? sorry, you said it's cruel. >> because i think it would be

britain giving up on its responsibilities look after responsibilities to look after migrants them safely migrants and treat them safely and safely. >> but is that cruel? i >> but why is that cruel? i don't understand. sending don't understand. you're sending them somewhere else where they've got accommodation, food and that cruel? and shelter. why is that cruel? >> because i don't believe rwanda the necessary rwanda has the necessary infrastructure been infrastructure and i have been there. nation there. and it's a nation recovering from a genocide. and also in also don't believe in outsourcing , legal and outsourcing our moral, legal and financial responsibilities in this way. >> but if there's no room, if there's nowhere to put those people and you're simply moving them may them somewhere else, and it may act as a deterrent as well, because we can't continue in because we can't continue to in this not cruel because this way. it's not cruel because the british public will be thinking, we're paying thinking, well, we're paying 8 million and is that fair? million a day. and is that fair? >> well, on the cruelty point, i mean, it's interesting that people from across the political spectrum come to view spectrum have come to the view that morally that it's not morally appropriate. the archbishop of canterbury critical in canterbury was very critical in giving view saying it giving his view on it, saying it does stand the judgement of does not stand the judgement of god. again, that, what god. but again, on that, what does he know? >> mean, what does he know? >> i mean, what does he know? does a standard of, does a standard judgement of, well, let answer that point well, let me answer that point because making joke about because just making a joke about it would god mind it surely why would god mind that giving someone that you're giving someone

shelter food? that you're giving someone she it's food? that you're giving someone she it's a food? that you're giving someone she it's a role.)d? that you're giving someone she it's a role. but hold on. >> it's a role. but hold on. it's not about whether you agree >> it's a role. but hold on. it's rhim bout whether you agree >> it's a role. but hold on. it's rhim out whether you agree >> it's a role. but hold on. it's rhim or not.iether you agree >> it's a role. but hold on. it's rhim or not. any r you agree >> it's a role. but hold on. it's rhim or not. any faith agree with him or not. any faith leader job about speaking leader has a job about speaking out moral issues. right out on moral issues. it's right they that. and sometimes they do that. and sometimes they'll be supportive of the government sometimes they'll government and sometimes they'll be but saw be against them. but we saw it in as well, in the in the 80s as well, and in the 90s the church, anglican 90s when the church, anglican and catholic were very outspoken, sometimes when they disagreed with blair, sometimes they is they disagreed with thatcher. is completely cleric completely right that a cleric speaks . speaks out. >> don't think that's >> well, i don't think that's necessarily that can necessarily wrong that he can say anything. he prepared say anything. but is he prepared to open the doors of the church to open the doors of the church to allow people to stay there then? >> well, that's not a robust way of with migrants. >> well, that's not a robust way of listen, with migrants. >> well, that's not a robust way of listen, this migrants. >> well, that's not a robust way of listen, this isiigrants. >> well, that's not a robust way of listen, this isiigrarobust way >> listen, this is my robust way of with the situation. of dealing with the situation. if he wants speak out in this if he wants to speak out in this way and say it doesn't stand the judgement of god whilst sits judgement of god whilst he sits in his, how flats he's got in his, how many flats he's got and the gold leaf around the and all the gold leaf around the churches he his palace. churches that he in his palace. >> a bit of a >> i think that's a bit of a cheap jibe. >> let me finish. that's not a cheap jibe. it's a reality, isn't it? the opulence of the church of england now for church of england right now for him to then doesn't stand him to then say it doesn't stand the whatever of god, the test, the whatever of god, whilst sitting there quite

whilst he's sitting there quite happily, offering to happily, well, is he offering to open of church for open the doors of the church for the migrants? the doors the the migrants? the doors of the churches but is he churches are open, but is he offering for services offering for that for services to open to everyone? >> you're talking about >> but you're talking about accommodation, >> but you're talking about ac> they've plenty as you're >> they've got plenty as you're offering because i don't mind people saying doesn't stand people saying it doesn't stand the god and blah the judgement of god and blah blah blah blah. he blah blah blah blah. but he hasn't offered hasn't actually offered something. a lot something. the church have a lot of money, they've got a lot of facilities empty churches of money, they've got a lot of facilthings. empty churches of money, they've got a lot of facilthings. emdon'tlurches of money, they've got a lot of facilthings. emdon't theyes of money, they've got a lot of facilthings. em don't they offer and things. why don't they offer let that question. let me ask that question. >> go to church regularly. >> i'll go to church regularly. so most of the so first of all, most of the churches is up in churches money is tied up in land. it's not awash with cash. as you know, vicars are paid relatively sums in terms relatively low sums in terms of making. relatively low sums in terms of ma he's not. >> he's not. >> he's not. >> is he beholden making a jibe about or bishops about archbishops or bishops accommodation? about archbishops or bishops a> sorry, a genocide, not shady. >> sorry, a genocide, not shady. >> germany. so has many

>> so has germany. so has many other countries. they have genocides and things that genocides and things like that have still trust have happened and we still trust them. trade with them. them. we still trade with them. we things with them we still do things with them because this is a progressive african years african country. that was years ago. was this is now. ago. that was then. this is now. >> but but my point was not about trust. rwanda lacks the infrastructure to deal with this particular we've built the >> why does it? we've built the infrastructure with the scheme. >> ben habib yeah, i mean i agree with peter that it's a waste of £15 million, but not for reasons that peter for the same reasons that peter does.i for the same reasons that peter does. i don't think rwanda does. i just don't think rwanda is going to get the is ever going to get off the ground because in order for, for the to able to the rwanda scheme to be able to be implemented, you would need to derogate away from certain aspects of the european convention human and convention of human rights, and you'd some of you'd have to neutralise some of the human act that's the human rights act that's currently talking doing, currently talking about doing, though, they're currently talking about doing, though,about they're currently talking about doing, though,about doing. they're talking about doing. >> off the ground. >> so yeah, so it would require rishi sunak to get his incredibly tory mps vote incredibly wet tory mps to vote incredibly wet tory mps to vote in of doing something in favour of doing something that hitherto found that they've hitherto found impossible, even when suella braverman might braverman i remember you might recall brought the recall when suella brought the illegal migration act bill forward time in forward for the first time in the late 2022, she it's the late 2022, she said. it's going take a while to draft going to take a while to draft

this because we've got to get the wording. absolutely right and going neutralise the wording. absolutely right andabilitygoing neutralise the wording. absolutely right and ability for1g neutralise the wording. absolutely right and ability for the neutralise the wording. absolutely right and ability for the european.e the ability for the european convention rights to convention of human rights to prevent us from doing what we wish. know, to do, then wish. you know, to do, and then of course, when it became an act and it went through the various passages of parliament in order to become an act, it was diluted down. so in fact, there's a carve out in the illegal migration act that entitles the secretary of state to take note of what the european court of human rights says. but because the european court of human rights is a supreme judicial body for human rights, if she's entitled to take note, she's actually obliged to take note and that means the rwanda is fundamentally flawed. unless we can develop the political will to actually stand up against the european court of human rights. >> but the 15 million, though, well, i think it's a waste of money. because. why? because we're spending 8 million a day. so surely this is so. and if it works, it will act both as a deterrent and also as someone to place so it doesn't work.

>> don't think plan >> but i don't think the plan will problem. will work. that's the problem. i don't think they'll get the legal required in legal framework required in order the plan be order for the plan to be implemented. and even if the plan implemented , apparently implemented. and even if the plarcan mplemented , apparently implemented. and even if the plarcan onlyemented , apparently implemented. and even if the plarcan only the 1ted , apparently implemented. and even if the plarcan only the maximumirently you can only the maximum capability is about 4000 people going to rwanda to be the first 4000. >> this is all about breaking smuggling. but i were going smuggling. but if i were going across the channel and i thought that in the uk, but that i'd be in the uk, but actually i'd be one of the first 4000 the plan is up and 4000 and the plan is up and running, that breaks the model. i are talking i mean, they are talking about breaking there's breaking a model. there's actually an evil model that people are dying going across. it's though people people are dying going across. it's understand»ugh people people are dying going across. it's understand»ughris»ple don't understand what is actually i mean, actually happening here. i mean, i'd like to agree with you. >> i'd like to think that that would act as a sufficient deterrent people to deterrent for people not to cross channel i that cross the channel i fear that having the from having made the journey from wherever from, north wherever they came from, north africa across africa into italy, across europe, money to get on a europe, paid money to get on a dinghy braved that. if dinghy, braved all of that. if there's a sort of small chance that they'd be deported to rwanda, don't think that's rwanda, i don't think that's going to act as a deterrent. i think they'll run the gauntlet and the british authorities think they'll run the gauntlet and see the british authorities think they'll run the gauntlet and see you british authorities think they'll run the gauntlet and see you britishwhether:ies think they'll run the gauntlet and see you britishwhether we and see you know, whether we

really courage to really have the courage to deport them. my fundamental principle with which peter is going disagree is going to vehemently disagree is that border control cannot be delivered through deportation in. and you've got to stop people from entering the country in the first place. that's what being an independent, sovereign country is all about, enforcing your borders. >> so but the other problem that we is obviously the civil we have is obviously the civil servants who are trying to block rishi legislation to deem rishi sunak legislation to deem rwanda now that rwanda a safe country. now that that that is a problem, that is i mean, that's a real problem. that that is a problem, that is i mean,he at's a real problem. that that is a problem, that is i mean,he youa real problem. that that is a problem, that is i mean,he you know,problem. that that is a problem, that is i mean,he you know, he blem. that that is a problem, that is i mean,he you know, he hasn't >> but he you know, he hasn't got executive control either of >> but he you know, he hasn't got party |tive control either of >> but he you know, he hasn't got party ore control either of >> but he you know, he hasn't got party or the ntrol either of >> but he you know, he hasn't got party or the civil either of >> but he you know, he hasn't got party or the civil service.: his party or the civil service. and i'm afraid i've lost sympathy for the tories blaming the they've been the civil service. they've been in for 13 years. they in office for 13 years. they should have broken the blob and they should have they should have whatever have fixed whatever issues the blob them so blob is creating for them so they deliver the they can actually deliver the policies they've promised for the people, said done. the people, said and done. >> specifically the >> because specifically the civil said that. civil servants have said that. and said actually and they have said that actually they're trying block certain they're trying to block certain parts policy. parts of government policy. peter, the civil peter, do you think the civil servants should be able to be involved in that and remain almost? well they're supposed to

be what's your be impartial. what's your thoughts be impartial. what's your tho well, civil servants should >> well, civil servants should be and their job is to be impartial and theirjob is to enact policy. but enact government policy. but i don't accept that they're blocking. and i've seen relatively evidence of relatively little evidence of that. i'll take you to that. and i'll take you to a broader point. of course, civil servant should be impartial, but in workplace politics, the in any workplace politics, the media, particularly in business, is a job staff to stand up. is a job of staff to stand up. someone position someone in leadership position and if there's and say, if we if there's a legal doubt about a course of action an economic doubt to action or an economic doubt to speak plainly about that and that can range from just having blunt conversations in private to things like formal whistleblowing policies . so if whistleblowing policies. so if civil servants doing their jobs tells don't tells the minister, we don't think will work for y, think this will work for x, y, z reasons, that's not political opposition. their opposition. that's doing their job . job well. >> not really. if the public have the civil have voted for it, the civil servants are actually trying to block . rishi sunak i block his plans. rishi sunak i mean, reading it here in the mean, i'm reading it here in the telegraph and telegraph today and i'm presuming that wouldn't presuming that they wouldn't print the print any old nonsense. the telegraph is pretty reputable print any old nonsense. the telegrand is pretty reputable print any old nonsense. the telegrandis pre of reputable print any old nonsense. the telegrand is pre of others ble print any old nonsense. the telegrandis pre of others are paper and a lot of others are carrying the story that civil servants are actually trying to block the legislation block some of the legislation which a safe which would deem rwanda a safe country. that that country. do you think that that is their place to be doing that?

>> i don't believe that they are. yet evidence. are. i've yet to see evidence. >> i'm just presented some. >> i'm just presented some. >> no, hold on. let me >> no, no, hold on. let me answer the point. the no, it's definitely enough definitely not good enough because is because the telegraph is completely as long as completely entitled as long as it has balanced story to it has a balanced story to articulate but articulate its views. but obviously right obviously it's a right of centre, i say libertarian centre, i would say libertarian paper run paper and it's generally run negative about the bbc negative stories about the bbc and civil service because and the civil service because that's its outlook. well let me read you then. read it to you then. >> sources claim that >> it says sources of claim that whitehall institutionally whitehall feels institutionally bound about bound to raise concerns about proposals to disapply elements of rights act from the of the human rights act from the rwanda scheme. so there's evidence here that is suggesting that servants are that the civil servants are getting involved in this. i'm going obe do going to ask you a bit obe do you that the civil you think that the civil servants are in the right place to be doing this? >> think the whole governance >> i think the whole governance organism kingdom, organism in the united kingdom, so the civil service, so not just the civil service, but parliaments , koreans, the but parliaments, koreans, the government itself, all these so—called independent bodies, which have been set up by tony blair and, you know, his successors standing in opposition to what the people want. i think this is a complete

attack on democracy. they've taken power away from the people . the people's wishes are no longer what matters . it's what longer what matters. it's what these and independent these people and independent bodies decide is the right thing for the united kingdom. and they've decided rwanda ain't going they're going going to be what they're going to deliver. and they've also decided going decided they're not going to enforce borders. mean, enforce our borders. i mean, what what wrong with our what what is wrong with our government doesn't government that it doesn't recognise obligation recognise its obligation to protect our borders? why do we have borders? it's to prevent illegal entry . that's what it illegal entry. that's what it means to be a country. >> well, what do you think, peter? because it seems like you're supporting the fact that civil sort of get civil servants can sort of get in and almost have a view in there and almost have a view and challenge government policy when the public themselves have actually voted for the government things. government to do these things. so the government are elected, civil unelected. civil servants are unelected. honestly i don't think it's their place to do that. >> it's right in any workplace. there is challenge that's absolutely implies in whitehall or in business or in broadcasting that staff are entitled to challenge their boss. also from memory, don't boss. also from memory, i don't think the rwanda policy was in the boris johnson's manifesto

think the rwanda policy was in the boris around|'s manifesto think the rwanda policy was in the boris around .; manifesto last time around. >> no, it wasn't. it was rwanda, wasn't it? came after. >> okay. so they've not the people have not voted for it then? >> well, we voted for the people to make decisions. and a lot of the if you look at the the people, if you look at the polls, we've not outsourced polls, but we've not outsourced our government. our views to the government. >> johnson the >> boris johnson won the election rwanda election without the rwanda policy. >> this about civil >> but this is about civil servants getting >> but this is about civil servants in getting >> but this is about civil servants in policygetting >> but this is about civil servants in policy and ng >> but this is about civil servants in policy and trying to involved in policy and trying to obstruct to get obstruct their job to get involved in policy and trying to obstruct policy decisions made by are by the government who are elected, democratically elected. >> no evidence >> and there's no evidence in the story, which is the telegraph story, which is based anonymous sources, based on anonymous sources, that they exercising political opposition. >> okay. so just there >> okay. so just say there is evidence, it that evidence, let's go with it that this true, then your view? >> well, i don't accept the premise, but civil servants should be impartial. premise, but civil servants shoright. impartial. premise, but civil servants sho right. okay. �*tial. premise, but civil servants sho right. okay. that's what i >> right. okay. that's what i thought. we go. thought. there we go. >> can i make one last point on the european court of human rights, this, that rights, which is this, that the european human rights, european court of human rights, a fundamental human right, is that laws to which you are that the laws to which you are subject are made by a democratically elected legislature. the human the european of rights european court of human rights makes own laws. it has 17 makes up its own laws. it has 17 guiding principle, it makes

guiding principle, but it makes its laws. it's not subject its own laws. it's not subject to any democratic scrutiny. and it stands in opposition to the will of the elected people in this country. the european court of human rights is itself in my opinion, fundamentally in breach of the european convention of human rights. okay. >> thank you for that. benhabib well, interesting stuff. what do you think? gb views gb views dot com. get them in. i'll try and read some of them, we're read some of them, but we're going to a slightly going to move on to a slightly i don't know, it's sort of a lighter story. harry and meghan well, they're facing a mounting backlash as they continue to maintain silence on maintain that their silence on the claims made the royal racism claims made by their amid scobie. their mouthpiece amid scobie. that's book end game. that's in his new book end game. but another voice who has been silent on the topic has also been the who's been too been the king, who's been too busy speeches the busy making speeches at the global climate change conference. want to know, conference. so i want to know, is it time for to king charles take action? right. i think i'm going to go to you, peter edwards. what do you about edwards. what do you think about all to me, this is really sad >> to me, this is really sad and, you know, it's a family, obviously, with a of obviously, with a lot of disagreements and then being aired i think omid

aired in public. i think omid scobie , you know, obviously has scobie, you know, obviously has written of books and he written a couple of books and he was, know, i support the was, you know, i support the right of reporters to publish what they but essentially, what they want. but essentially, should commenting on should the king be commenting on the works of gossip columnist? should the king be commenting on thecourse of gossip columnist? should the king be commenting on thecourse not. gossip columnist? should the king be commenting on thecourse not. you sip columnist? should the king be commenting on thecourse not. you don'tlumnist? should the king be commenting on thecourse not. you don't thinkst? so? >> benhabib well, i mean, i think the thing has been think the whole thing has been blown of proportion. i am blown out of proportion. i am half pakistani and half english. my my half pakistani and half english. my my ex , now ex—wife, was my wife, my ex, now ex—wife, was entirely english. and when she was expecting our children, we often discussed what they might look like because we had lots of different ethnic contributions coming into the mix. actually, she was half russian, half russian, , half a quarter. russian, half, half a quarter. half russian . a quarter. english half russian. a quarter. english a quarter. scottish i'm half engush a quarter. scottish i'm half english and half pakistani . so english and half pakistani. so we had a real melting pot of genes and we often discussed what colour our children might be, complexion they might be, what complexion they might have, the of their have, what the colour of their eyes might be, what sort hair eyes might be, what sort of hair they not they might have. that's not racist. normal . it's racist. that's just normal. it's just and even completely just normal. and even completely white couples will discuss the prospective character caricatures of their, you know,

the features of their children . the features of their children. and so i think the whole thing has been taken out of context. >> but they i mean, i watched the oprah interview . i thought the oprah interview. i thought it was staged concerns is a very specific word used to sort of draw in your imagination. well i think meghan markle is a very sick individual , but she's not sick individual, but she's not here to defend herself. but she has said that she has mental health issues. so i don't know. she clearly has. >> i think she's got real mental health issues because she manages by the manages to get offended by the most things. and she most inoffensive things. and she was welcomed whole heartedly into the royal family. the wedding she got was in no way demeaning . but as a result of demeaning. but as a result of her being from an ethnic minority or anything like that, she was celebrated. and yet she bit that fed her. she bit the hand that fed her. she bit the hand that fed her. she bit the hand that fed her. she bit the people that put their protective cloak around her, and she kicked the institution in the shins. i don't understand what's wrong that woman . what's wrong with that woman. >> i sorry. i thought that was funny. >> i do think it's right to call

someone sick. you know, i wouldn't swap with her. >> i think as in sick. but she has talked about mental health issues. and if you are suffering with those. exactly. be seen as illness. >> i think harry and meghan have made some poorjudgements, but harry lost his mother a young harry lost his mother at a young age and they of you age and they both of them, you know, get followed around the world photographers know, get followed around the world elementsjraphers know, get followed around the world elements of phers life think elements of their life will be difficult. of will be very difficult. of course, have enormous course, they have enormous wealth, definitely wealth, but i definitely wouldn't sick. i don't wealth, but i definitely woulcthat's sick. i don't wealth, but i definitely woulcthat's right sick. i don't wealth, but i definitely woulcthat's right at:k. i don't wealth, but i definitely woulcthat's right at all. don't think that's right at all. i think that's right at all. i think a member of the royal family and they're still treated like regardless their like royals regardless of their kind and legal status. kind of formal and legal status. a member royal family a member of the royal family faces unimaginable faces probably unimaginable pressures be pressures that it would just be auen pressures that it would just be alien of us. alien to any of us. >> . yeah, but let's be >> you. yeah, but let's be honest here. do you think that part of this was a misunderstanding? that harry because remember the conversation about the concerns with or whatever, with with the skin or whatever, with whoever the royal whoever it was in the royal family he's only kind of a new adopter the racism adopter of the whole racism thing . he doesn't fully thing. he doesn't fully understand you think he understand it. do you think he went sort of to his wife went back sort of to his wife say, oh, they said this to sort of, oh, i've idea. of, oh, i've no idea. >> think that's maybe of, oh, i've no idea. >> whyhink that's maybe of, oh, i've no idea. >> why i'm that's maybe of, oh, i've no idea. >> why i'm being. maybe of, oh, i've no idea. >> why i'm being wary, )e that's why i'm being wary, because we have idea what

because we have no idea what goes in the royal household. goes on in the royal household. and i certainly wouldn't rely on what i think what scobie says. i think clearly hugely wrong clearly it would be hugely wrong if that having if anyone suggested that having a would be denied a black child would be denied some and royal some privileges and royal family. as family. but as far as i understand it, omid scobie has not gone that far. as you not gone that far. and as you said, used vaguer language said, he's used vaguer language about conversation patterns. and several of us have obviously dual members and dual national family members and we about what our kids we all talk about what our kids look like. we all talk about what our kids loo well, listen, my son is >> well, listen, my son is called ivory, we had a hoot called ivory, and we had a hoot because he's mixed race. and we thought, he comes thought, what if he comes out really obviously really dark because obviously ivory is a white colour ? so then ivory is a white colour? so then we said, well, maybe we'll call him it was a bit of him ebony. so it was a bit of a laugh a bit of a joke and laugh and a bit of a joke and nobody was upset by that. and least of all ivory, because he didn't know any anything about it. he would it. but i think even he would laugh at that. but listen, some of you have been getting in touch your thoughts. ian touch with your thoughts. ian says, servants. even says, about civil servants. even if civil servants aren't blocking government they blocking government policy, they are specialists and are the supposed specialists and should solutions. should be offering solutions. but asking should be offering solutions. but historic asking should be offering solutions. but historic numbers asking should be offering solutions. but historic numbers of asking the historic numbers of immigrants they are immigrants arriving, they are clueless not fit for clueless and not fit for purpose. does stay purpose. what does it? stay

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morning. a drier but colder night again across of night again across parts of northern scotland, night again across parts of northerr dropping scotland, night again across parts of northerrdropping down :otland, night again across parts of northerr dropping down to .and, night again across parts of northerrdropping down to —5i, night again across parts of northerrdropping down to —5 or perhaps dropping down to —5 or —6 as a milder start across the southwest , though, particularly southwest, though, particularly under all that cloud and rain. and it will slowly continue to spread its way north and eastwards through the eastwards as we head through the day perhaps causing day on monday, perhaps causing some some disruption during the morning hour a drier morning rush hour as a drier and brighter across brighter day again across northern ireland, of northern ireland, parts of western where there'll western scotland where there'll be sunshine be plenty of sunshine through the afternoon, but some showers pushing those eastern pushing in along those eastern coasts of scotland. another cold day the north. day across the north. temperatures in the low single figures, milder again across figures, but milder again across the southwest. all that the southwest. under all that cloud and rain tuesday starts another and damp picture another cloudy and damp picture for much of england and wales. but hill, hill, and but rain hill, hill, snow and sleet slowly clears its way south and eastwards through the day, will lead to day, and that will lead to a dner day, and that will lead to a drier brighter day for most drier and brighter day for most of on wednesday. but colder, of us on wednesday. but colder, however, later in the week, further wet and windy weather arrives, turning for arrives, but turning milder for all like things are all looks like things are heating up . heating up. >> boxt sponsor of >> boxt boilers sponsor of weather on . gb news rmt .

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headlines with ray anderson. on >> thanks, nana. good afternoon. it's 4:00. i'm ray anderson in the newsroom. our top story this houn the newsroom. our top story this hour, police have confirmed a death in freezing conditions after the body of a man was found in a car in nottingham describing the incident as tragic. they say they're investigating the circumstances but are not treating it as suspicious. well, meanwhile , suspicious. well, meanwhile, now, 2500 people in cumbria could be without power until late tonight after heavy snow. electricity north—west saying that teams are struggling to reach sections of the damaged network where the warnings for snow and ice remain in place for many parts of the uk. senior meteorologist jim dale says milder conditions over the coming days could now lead to floods. >> will tell you that area saw about a foot of snow level snow that now that if you melt that snow, which is what meteorologists do, it equates to aninch meteorologists do, it equates to an inch tomorrow . we got another an inch tomorrow. we got another system coming in, another system which has got low pressure attached to it's quite a tight,

tight thing. so there'll be wind, but also heavy weight rain as well. now, all that snow down and not just monday, but on wednesday as well. quite heavyweight rain. so all this snow and the rain attached to it that's coming . i think we might that's coming. i think we might be looking at floods in midweek. again, a man has been killed and two people, including a british tourist, injured in a knife and hammer attack in paris. >> it happens near the eiffel tower. last night in what the french president described as a terrorist . officials have terrorist attack. officials have confirmed that the man who died was a german tourist, a 26 year old french national known to security services has been arrested. the suspect reportedly told police he was upset about muslims dying in gaza. and afghan man . meanwhile, over in afghan man. meanwhile, over in the us, four people, including two children, have been killed following a stabbing at a home in new york. two police officers were also attacked before shooting the suspect dead. an 11 year old girl died from her

injuries outside of a house. the other three victims, including a 12 year old boy, were found inside this scene was chaos. >> multiple victims . >> multiple victims. >> multiple victims. >> a house on fire and a mad man on a rampage on a mission. >> and thankful that these police officers showed up . police officers showed up. imagine what could have happened if these police officers weren't there. this mad man tried to kill after he killed others on new york city police officer . new york city police officer. the skill that this police officer had shooting and stopping the threat after he was being stabbed , trip tributes are being stabbed, trip tributes are being stabbed, trip tributes are being paid to baroness kinnock, who died in the early hours of this morning. >> the family of the former minister mep and wife of ex—labour leader lord kinnock says she was a proud democratic socialist who campaigned for justice and against poverty. all of her life. she was diagnosed

with alzheimer's in 2017. sir keir starmer described her as a pioneer woman and a true fighter for the labour party . an extra for the labour party. an extra £15 million will reportedly be given to rwanda to make migrants to take migrants, rather, who arrive in the uk illegally. that's on top of the £140 million already received. and the sunday times says the additional funds aim to secure a treaty so the east african country also takes asylum seekers who crossed the channel in small boats . 519 people were in small boats. 519 people were intercepted yesterday , bringing intercepted yesterday, bringing this year's total to just over 29,000. the uk will carry out surveillance flights over the middle east to find hostages held by hamas. middle east to find hostages held by hamas . more than 130 held by hamas. more than 130 people are still being held captive in gaza, where fighting has resumed following a week long truce . the ministry of long truce. the ministry of defence says the unarmed flights will not have a combat role . will not have a combat role. well, meanwhile, israel

continues to carry out intense air strikes in southern gaza. the hamas run health ministry saying that seven palestinians were killed and several others injured during a raid on rafah city. the us is calling on israel to avoid further harm to civilians . there's israel to avoid further harm to civilians. there's ongoing travel chaos as train drivers stage another day of strikes. aslef union members have launched a series of walkouts in their dispute over pay great northern thameslink and avanti west coast trains have all been cancelled. chiltern railways and west midlands railway services are also affected . this is gb are also affected. this is gb news across the uk on tv , in news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now let's get back to nana . to nana. >> thank you, ray. it's fast approaching. six minutes after 4:00. this is gb news on tv, onune 4:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua the colour of money

green. that's what i like to call this one. copper load of this for the 28th time. it's not often that i agree with greta thunberg, but on this one she's right. cop 28 is just more blah blah blah. they must think we're stupid. this year's cop reads like a five star holiday for fly by private jet. the luxurious dubai part of the united arab emirates on the agenda fast tracking the energy transition and slashing emissions before 2030. well, that's pretty vague. transforming climate finance and delivering by delivering on old promises that we've yet even to start . i mean, there's been 27 start. i mean, there's been 27 of these damn things already and setting the framework for a new deal on finance , let's do some deal on finance, let's do some deals and make some money putting nature people's lives and their livelihoods in particular the oil companies at the heart of the climate action,

which is why we held it here in dubaiand which is why we held it here in dubai and mobilised for the most inclusive cop ever , whatever inclusive cop ever, whatever that means, blah , blah, blah. i that means, blah, blah, blah. i mean, it's all words , as pope mean, it's all words, as pope francis called for an elimination of fossil fuels in his speech delivered by a cardinal because he had a lung infection and king charles flew infection and king charles flew in on a private jet to give his speech, sporting what appeared to be a greek tie after the elgin marbles fiasco. rishi sunak arrived there on his private jet, spending more time in the air, travelling there and back than actually at the summit itself. and some 70,000 people will be attending . i mean, think will be attending. i mean, think of the carbon that they're going to be burning just to get there. the whole thing is a joke, especially as cop 28 president dr. sultan al jabr. interesting name for someone who's heading up a talking shop, also heads up the state owned oil firm, which is called adnoc. i mean, they're

not stupid. they're not stupid. i mean, they're not even stupid enough to have their own oil. they're oil companies owned by private entities , state owned private entities, state owned oil firms in the uae are actually planning to ramp up their oil production over the next decade. and according to reports , are using the summit to reports, are using the summit to push oil and gas gas deals. in the meeting , dr. jabr account the meeting, dr. jabr account knowledged that emissions must drop by 45% to meet the 2030 target of 1.5 c. yet adnoc the company he heads up, is actually aggressively increasing their production. honestly how can the hosts be objectively encouraging others to reduce their oil and gas emissions whilst increasing theirs to sell to them ? i mean, theirs to sell to them? i mean, it's laughable and how stupid are we to sell off ownership of our oil and gas resources ? this our oil and gas resources? this is rule number one. vital resources like oil and gas, energy and water should be owned by the people . all i mean, i'm by the people. all i mean, i'm no marxist, but to me that's just common sense. and last year

they created a loss and damage fund to compensate developing countries that they believed were being harmed by climate change but failed to address the so—called urgent topics such as reducing greenhouse gas emissions . the whole objective emissions. the whole objective of the summit, this mission was described as an utter failure . described as an utter failure. this is all about money. you or i will have to pay for all these nonsense targets and pledges, most of which are hangovers from the previous cops going green is just the colour of . money so just the colour of. money so before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate. this hour. i'm asking, are you getting an electric car? that's more than 40 mp5 electric car? that's more than 40 mps and peers urged 40 tory mps and peers urged sunak a vote due sunak to drop a vote due tomorrow to approve net zero quotas for the sale electric quotas for the sale of electric cars has dubbed the cars in what has been dubbed the anti and anti motorist anti consumer and anti motorist vote. i want to know whether you're going to buy one. then at 450 is worldview. i'll cross

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write more? blah, blah, blah? >> well, as you say, quite extraordinary. >> thunberg. >> i agree with greta thunberg. >> i agree with greta thunberg. >> i agree with greta thunberg. >> i mean, it's amazing, isn't it? blah, blah. of course it? blah, blah, blah. of course it? blah, blah, blah. of course it for greta speaking it is good for greta speaking the it's the truth. it's >> it's an insult, frankly. >> it's an insult, frankly. >> the trouble with these people, these grandstanding people, these grandstanding people like emma people and the luvvies like emma thompson gary lineker and thompson and gary lineker and all that, they're not remotely interested in their climate, in their co2 consumption , but they their co2 consumption, but they are very interested in yours as well. >> everybody else, they want to cut down. >> gary is not here to defend himself, nor is there thompson. i mean, you know, i can't believe i'm defending gary lineker, but i have to because he's not here to defend himself better. >> and gary. >> and gary. >> but i don't agree with him at all. what do you think, danny? well, look, as well, look, cop 28, as i understand it, when greta thunberg blah, blah, thunberg was going blah, blah, blah, that's that was because of the world leaders. the inactivity of world leaders. >> does does she >> now, what does what does she want? you've got want? you've got you've got representatives of the western world, nations, all world, the united nations, all trying co2 trying to cut down on co2 emissions . i mean, you do need emissions. i mean, you do need us, though, have you? >> haven't the us not gone?

>> haven't the us not gone? >> i don't know whether the us and china boycotted. >> anybody know that they've gone. haven't no. gone. they haven't out. no. >> well she's there is gone. they haven't out. no. >> pointell she's there is gone. they haven't out. no. >> point of she's there is gone. they haven't out. no. >> point of it e's there is gone. they haven't out. no. >> point of it all. there is gone. they haven't out. no. >> point of it all. you there is gone. they haven't out. no. >> point of it all. you gotre is the point of it all. you got china and america spewing out disproportionate amounts of co2. so it's world leaders trying to cut co2. can i just say cut down on co2. can i just say something on your monologue about prince king charles's tie? i'm royalist. love about prince king charles's tie? i'm king royalist. love about prince king charles's tie? i'm king and royalist. love about prince king charles's tie? i'm king and iroyalist. love about prince king charles's tie? i'm king and i loveist. love about prince king charles's tie? i'm king and i love the love about prince king charles's tie? i'm king and i love the royal the king and i love the royal family, except for maybe a couple obvious omissions couple of obvious omissions there. but but that was deliberate. there's no way that that a coincidence. no, no, that was a coincidence. no, no, of course not. a tie with the with the greek flag on it. you know, he understands world know, he understands the world media, optics media, the spotlight, the optics are king of england, king are on the king of england, king of britain. forgive me. of great britain. forgive me. that and it's that was deliberate. and it's undermining rishi sunak. that was deliberate. and it's undermining rishi sunak . and if undermining rishi sunak. and if you the right the head of you have the right the head of the royal family, the head of the royal family, the head of the of our country, the head of our country, undermining the leader of the country, think that country, then i think that undermines trying to undermines what we're trying to achieve . achieve at cop. >> you could look at it >> it could you could look at it in the way that he was playing tribute to his father, who was greek. >> no, but no, no. you could do but he could do that on any other 364 days of the year. he

put on. he did it. of put that tie on. he did it. of course. in the mirror. course. he looked in the mirror. he he clocked the greek he noticed he clocked the greek flag. and knows that all flag. and he knows that all week we've diplomatic arguments we've had diplomatic arguments with and with the greek government and the about the the uk government about the elgin marbles. and i think it's i think you should never undermine prime minister. i think you should never undehe'sle prime minister. i think you should never undehe's supposed ne minister. i think you should never undehe's supposed to minister. i think you should never undehe's supposed to be1ister. i think you should never undehe's supposed to be he's. and he's supposed to be he's supposed be a political he's supposed to be a political he's supposed to be a political he's supposed neutral. supposed to be neutral. he should his mouth shut with should keep his mouth shut with things this. things like this. >> think rishi sunak things like this. >> just think rishi sunak things like this. >> just tad:hink rishi sunak things like this. >> just tad ridiculous?sunak things like this. >> just tad ridiculous? it1ak was just a tad ridiculous? it doesn't matter with meeting. >> well, whether or >> well, whether he was or whether he wasn't. you shouldn't. the king should not get with politics. get involved with politics. >> just a subtle of, >> it's just a subtle way of, well, wasn't, then he well, if he wasn't, then he wouldn't be even cop 28. wouldn't be even be at cop 28. >> he was there. and, you >> and he was there. and, you know, they pledges last know, they had pledges last yeah know, they had pledges last year. so last year, cop 27 or was year before that, was it the year before that, whatever, i don't know. and whatever, i don't know. 27 and on they forgot to on that one they forgot to mention, they didn't mention, well, they didn't really reducing really do much about reducing this, it was to this, this, whatever it was to reduce, to bring the temperature down to of they down to 1.5 c of warming. they spent time working on a spent their time working on a fund compensate fund that would compensate countries who potentially may have been getting the brunt end of the climate catastrophe that they keep sort of talking about.

but yet can't really but yet you can't really determine that one country determine that if one country does then it's going to does that, then it's going to affect terms of affect another one in terms of the , i don't see how the climate, i don't see how they can specifically allocate it. fact that you've used it. the fact that you've used a lot of co2 with the damage done in another i don't in another country, i don't really think i don't see how that works. >> and if the greatest guzzler of all, one the greatest of all, one of the greatest guzzlers, china, who were churning out nuclear coal fired power stations by the ton every week, if they're not even there and they're taking over all the with belt and road with their belt and road initiative, they're buying up control and influence in all the sort of african countries. they're not there. they're not even around the so what even around the table. so what does that say the futility does that say about the futility of cop 28? well, also, the reason why china's emissions are so high is because, of course, they are the they're catching up with the industrial revolution because they are the producers for the world, aren't they? >> so we're buying all the stuff from them. and then, of course, they're using their machinery and their resource to give and all their resource to give us the cheap clothes and give us

the and pieces and the the bits and pieces and the electron and so on and so electron kicks and so on and so forth. saying, oh, forth. and we're saying, oh, it's we're not using the it's not us. we're not using the carbon we've exported, we've exported our moral. >> so we can sit here with a clear conscience and they're doing all the dirty for us. doing all the dirty work for us. >> and then we can say, oh, they're not coming to and they're not coming to cop and they're not coming to cop and they're the emitters and they're the worst emitters and polluters. it's polluters. well, we know it's all lies. >> and allowed >> and we've allowed our manufacturing industry to completely slightly completely decline and slightly off topic. >> this is what frustrates >> but this is what frustrates me about these goons spraying orange paint everywhere and disrupting sporting events. you know, our best and know, we are doing our best and we are in the grand scheme of co two pollution. we are so insignificant. i really would wish direct wish that they would direct their more seriously their frustration more seriously to because if we their frustration more seriously towe because if we their frustration more seriously towe only because if we their frustration more seriously towe only have because if we their frustration more seriously towe only have so cause if we their frustration more seriously towe only have so many if we their frustration more seriously towe only have so many years to if we only have so many years to live before there's mass catastrophe, then you know , catastrophe, then you know, holding up people on hold and high street isn't going to do anything. but misplaced. anything. but it's misplaced. >> they're not >> it's misplaced. they're not being realistic. they're not being realistic. they're not being first all, being truthful, first of all, because backed because they're backed by a massive oil owner, which, well, they were that's how massive oil owner, which, well, they sorta that's how massive oil owner, which, well, they sort of that's how massive oil owner, which, well, they sort of came that's how massive oil owner, which, well, they sort of came to hat's how massive oil owner, which, well, they sort of came to be. 5 how massive oil owner, which, well, they sort of came to be. butw they sort of came to be. but secondly, the bottom line is they know we know that the reason co2 has been

reason why the co2 has been knocked by all these other knocked out by all these other countries because are countries is because we are buying that's the buying from them. that's the bottom and they they bottom line. so and they they feel right to feel they have the right to catch up. >> they say that one of the reasons we've got this crisis is because we up so much because we used up so much dunng because we used up so much during the industrial revolution, etcetera. they overlook gave exactly. revolution gave exactly. >> for the >> if it wasn't for the industrial revolution, we wouldn't have all this wonderful technology lives. >> and if this entire country, including scotland and wales and northern down northern ireland, closed down completely therefore had completely and therefore we had no emissions whatsoever, what's going on in china would make up for that within a matter of weeks. it you say, you weeks. it is, as you say, you know, there was an know, if there was an infinitesimal, if there was like a ticking clock, a countdown to hell, you like, then think hell, if you like, then i think all the governments in the world would pressure china, would put pressure on china, because other because if china and other countries aren't going to do anything then the anything about it, then the governments must say, look, unless start doing something unless you start doing something about we're all going to about it, we're all going to die in 30 years. in 20 or 30 years. >> we are to put intense >> we are going to put intense political pressure on you. >> we are going to put intense polthat's ressure on you. >> we are going to put intense polthat's because n you. >> we are going to put intense polthat's because n yotdon't >> that's because they don't believe don't believe it. >> nobody believes. no, it's not true. >> all flew there by private

jet. i mean, rishi sunak spent less time conference than jet. i mean, rishi sunak spent lerthe me conference than jet. i mean, rishi sunak spent lerthe air. conference than jet. i mean, rishi sunak spent lerthe air. they're erence than jet. i mean, rishi sunak spent lerthe air. they're all1ce than in the air. so they're all coming in. they're all staying in star hotels and think of in five star hotels and think of the carbon coming out of the carbon that's coming out of there a couple weeks or there for a couple of weeks or whatever is, and they're all whatever it is, and they're all going to fly back and they'll have nothing at all, have done nothing at all, nothing all. counterintuitive nothing at all. counterintuitive >> mammoth shop nothing at all. counterintuitive >>our mammoth shop nothing at all. counterintuitive >>our expense. tolh shop at our expense. >> hilarious. and what will >> it's hilarious. and what will we it? >> it's hilarious. and what will we not it? >> it's hilarious. and what will we not hilarious. >> not hilarious. >> not hilarious. >> what will we get out of it? it's just nonsense. all this rubbish about electric cars, they're try and they're going to try and electrify everything, which i think stupid and the think is just so stupid and the things they there we things that they agree there we sort to go along it sort of have to go along with it even if we haven't specifically voted it. i think it's voted for it. i think it's absurd, i'd to hear absurd, but i'd love to hear what you think at home. vaiews@gbnews.com. it's just ridic useless. so load of ridic useless. so cop a load of that. tv online ridic useless. so cop a load of that on tv online ridic useless. so cop a load of that on digital tv online ridic useless. so cop a load of that on digital radio.v online ridic useless. so cop a load of that on digital radio. it's|line ridic useless. so cop a load of that on digital radio. it's fast and on digital radio. it's fast approaching. 18 minutes after 4:00 on way for the great 4:00 on the way for the great british debate this hour i'm asking getting asking are you getting an electric more than 40 tory electric car more than 40 tory mps urged sunak to mps and peers urged sunak to drop due tomorrow drop a vote due tomorrow to approve net zero quotas for the sale of electric cars in what has been dubbed the anti

consumer and anti motor vote. but i want to know if they think that by setting a quota , we're that by setting a quota, we're all going to do it. what if we dont? all going to do it. what if we don't? so are you going to buy an electric car ? stay tuned at an electric car? stay tuned at 450 as well as world view, we'll cross over to israel to get the latest from the israel—hamas war. there in live to america to get the latest from the politics people podcast. paul duddridge and find out what's going on with trump. that is on the way. this is gb news is

the camilla tominey show sunday mornings from 930 on. >> gb news . >> gb news. 22 minutes after 4:00. >> welcome . if you've just tuned >> welcome. if you've just tuned in, where the hell are you been? it's all right. don't worry. you've still got more of the show. that's about an hour and 40 minutes left. i'm nana akua this is gb news. now, before the break, were discussing my break, we were discussing my monologue was all about net monologue that was all about net zero. let's have a look at what you've been saying and obviously that ridiculous cop, 28 says nana, very cynical about nana, you're very cynical about cop fault you. keep up cop 28. can't fault you. keep up the good work. i like that as well, kevin says. rather sit well, kevin says. i'd rather sit in a bath of cold baked beans whilst having my ears syringed than buy an electric car. exactly. terry says exactly. and then terry says nana totally spot regards nana is totally spot on. regards this meeting in the this latest cop meeting in the middle i mean, this is middle east. i mean, this is where you're to get oil where you're going to get oil and and they're actually and gas. and they're actually upping production then upping their production and then they're to sell to they're going to sell it to the people whilst the people there whilst at the conference, advising the conference, whilst advising the people at the conference to reduce own and

reduce their own oil and gas. it's just absurd. it's time it's just absurd. but it's time now the great debate now for the great british debate this asking, are this hour. and i'm asking, are you an electric car? you buying an electric car? chairman the zero chairman of the net zero scrutiny group, craig mckinley , scrutiny group, craig mckinley, alongside 40 other tory mps and peers, are urging sunak to abandon a vote on net zero emission vehicle mandates. now but what does this mandate actually mean? it requires car managers factories to ensure that 22% of cars sold next year are electric. so gradually increasing this to 80% by 2030? well, that depends if we're prepared to buy them. this comes despite sunak's decision to delay the ban on petrol and diesel cars until 2035, highlighting a further rebellion within the conservative party within the conservative party with a matter described as anti—consumer and anti motorist. so if the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, are you buying an electric car ? well, buying an electric car? well, joining me to discuss is ben habib , deputy leader of reform habib, deputy leader of reform uk, lois perry from car 26. peter edwards , former editor of peter edwards, former editor of the labourlist, and john grant, sustainable construction and climate change. i'll start with

you, john. why not? john, are you, john. why not? john, are you buying electric car ? you buying an electric car? >> um, no , because i'm trying to >> um, no, because i'm trying to work out a life without a car . work out a life without a car. even though it's super hard . so even though it's super hard. so i do own a car at the moment, but, but my plan is to try and work out a strategy to. to live without a car . but why? we are without a car. but why? we are constantly cutting public transport and just destroying our railways . it's transport and just destroying our railways. it's going to be really tough . really tough. >> well, i'm glad you said that . >> well, i'm glad you said that. so. so what do you think to this government drive to try and boost manufacturers, get them to get more people, produce more cars and more people will buy the electric cars? well well, it's the it's the constant plan of expand and rather than change what we're doing is we're trying to shift this this ridiculous idea that every individual should own a metal box and be able to travel from a to b whenever they want. >> there just isn't enough stuff to provide that. and it produces pollution, even electric cars do

that. i mean, they they they are a lot less damaging than petrol cars. so you know those people that do need a vehicle, there are many of them out there. the vulnerable and such like, you know, using electrics is better for that. but they still produce all those tiny particles and such like and their brakes and tires. this is not a solution . tires. this is not a solution. this is what you do. why should you move to the solution, which is a world that people use active travel and public transport, and we move away from individual ownership of cars, which of course, economically is going to take a massive shift in our attitude . our attitude. >> yeah, you're not wrong . lois >> yeah, you're not wrong. lois perry well , it's >> yeah, you're not wrong. lois perry well, it's very interesting that now we have the woke and net zero fanatics finally admitting what i've been saying for all this time , um, saying for all this time, um, which is that they don't want us in electric cars. >> they want us out of our cars and on public transport. i won't

be buying an electric car. and i think that quotas i mean, does that sound like soviet russia? does that sound communist you does that sound communist to you 7 does that sound communist to you ? rishi sunak pushed the ban back to 2030 from 2035, but only with this compromise position, which basically forces car manufacturers to make , you know, manufacturers to make, you know, people don't want to buy the electric cars. so it's inflationary. it just pushes the price of all cars up. but john's admitted it. they want us out of our cars, off the roads, in our homes , staring at the screens on homes, staring at the screens on universal basic income, not having a life under communism . having a life under communism. thanks, john. i literally have been waiting for you guys to admit this for two years. i'm going to give you a right to reply because he's shaking his head. >> john, you're shaking your head. you did say it. i swear. you said it, didn't you say that? yeah yeah, no, i said that. >> but to be insulted in that way was was a it's a little rich there that what i'm looking for is a world, better way is a better world, a better way of things. the way it's of doing things. the way it's been portrayed here is like, i'm

taking away people's freedom. well, the well, you are rather than the thousands are thousands of people that are being being their lives shortened by using cars. this is this is just. >> this isjust. >> but this is just. >> but what about john? can i just ask you, what about these poor people who are mining the lithium and cobalt and things? i mean , their lives you're going mean, their lives you're going to need that for the electric cars. so their lives will be shortened. >> there's no such thing as a freelt's >> there's no such thing as a free it's just >> there's no such thing as a freelt's just that burning oil >> it's just that burning oil and is massively worse than and gas is massively worse than producing electric cars. but what's better than electric cars is getting people to give up that individual idea where everyone owns 1 or 2 per household and that kind of madness, that's what i'm talking about. >> if you're able bodied. but for those of us, if you're able bodied, that's fine. but there are plenty of people who can't do that. i want to go to ben habib. >> okay. well, i'm really glad we're having this discussion because rishi sunak he because rishi sunak thought he was appealing to the right wing of party moved of the tory party when he moved that deadline from 2030 2035. that deadline from 2030 to 2035. but didn't tell you was but what he didn't tell you was the where discussing the policy where discussing

today, requires that today, which requires that manufacturers the ratio manufacturers increase the ratio of the cars they sell from 22% electric vehicles next year to 80% by 2030. and the way that thatis 80% by 2030. and the way that that is inflationary is by the penalisation of those manufacturers who fail to hit those targets. so if they go on selling fossil fuel cars, they pay selling fossil fuel cars, they pay bigger and bigger penalties and of course, when they pay those penalties, those penalties are passed on to the consumer for through higher cost of internal combustion engine cars andindeed internal combustion engine cars and indeed electric vehicle cars . those those costs are shared across the population. and so when rishi sunak says we can have a better, more prosperous economic future by the inexorable march to net zero, he's actually telling porkies because this is forcing inflation into the system. and the same policy applies to gas boilers , manufacturers of gas boilers, manufacturers of gas boilers, manufacturers of gas boilers have to increasingly sell heat exchange pumps, and if they fail to do it, they get penalised and again, those penalties are passed on to the

consumer. the inexorable march to net zero is massively inflationary, massively economic damaging and whether electric cars are marginally better for you than fossil internal combustion engine cars , or combustion engine cars, or whether we should all be on trains, that's a separate debate. but before we get there, what we need to recognise is the massive cost of going to net zero. >> peter edwards would i buy an electric car? >> would i think most of us are going to have to eventually. currently we don't really have the charging points to make it work. i thought made the work. i thought john made the other point. that's other good point. that's a really relates to all of this, which transport which is public transport because the answer because of course the answer is to less. but know, to drive less. but you know, john's right. for example, my first was cumbria first job was in cumbria and pubuc first job was in cumbria and public transport. there was really i didn't have really poor and i didn't have a car at the time and it was much, much tougher. so we know we're going run out of fuels going to run out of fossil fuels and eventually internal and eventually the internal combustion engine going to be combustion engine is going to be phased but i don't think phased out. but i don't think it's appropriate to people it's appropriate to say people are communist for being are woke and communist for being realistic about challenges, about i think,

about the future. so i think, lois, did undermine your lois, you did undermine your argument taking that argument a bit by taking that approach. argument a bit by taking that approach don't think so, too. >> no, i don't think so, too. and there's no there's no risk of us running out of fossil fuels for hundreds of years. that's complete and utter nonsense. what he's talking about is, is taking away individualism. if that is not communist or neo—marxist, i don't know what is the lack of the individual over the collective is what communism is about. and that's exactly what he's talking about. that's what net zero is about. john >> john, i mean , this idea of >> john, i mean, this idea of conflating the ownership of a car with freedom is just ridic . car with freedom is just ridic. >> but it is . >> but it is. >> but it is. >> but it is. >> but john, three without a car i >> -- >> no, you can't have a car is not about freedom . i'm a woman. not about freedom. i'm a woman. it's different . if you're a it's different. if you're a woman, kill people. >> you know, that would be hysterical. you could do stand up on that ridiculousness. >> no, that's not right. >> no, that's not right. >> that's not fair. but i.

>> that's not fair. but i. >> lois has got a very valid point. and it doesn't just apply to the inexorable march to net zero. it's the inexorable march in our government policy . see, in our government policy. see, we are stripping away aspiration and replacing it with dependency. we're stripping away wealth creation and replacing it with wealth redistribution. the state is getting bigger and bigger and more intrusive. we are practising progressive socialism to a greater and greater extent and ultimately that ends up with the individual being trounced. and that's the point lois is making. >> well, it does feel like, listen, they're being forced to quotas, so they have to make these even if we don't want these cars even if we don't want them. and then in the end, we're going to have to buy them because that will be all there is, seem is, which doesn't seem acceptable. finally, acceptable. so finally, i'm going you, peter going to come to you, peter edwards. you buy an edwards. would you buy an electric yes or no? electric car? yes or no? >> yeah, i'd buy an electric car. if the prices come down, we need points. and need more charging points. and also got to learn to also we've got to learn to debate with other debate with each other in a civil not reduce civil way. and not reduce people's motives because people's motives just because they from us. they differ from us. >> okay. ben habib, i would

never buy electric unless never buy an electric car unless i'm to. i'm absolutely forced to. >> lois perry i'd rather cut my arm from it and eat it. arm off from it and eat it. >> that be interesting. >> that would be interesting. and also john grant well, i might think about electric might think about an electric vehicle but but vehicle of some kind, but but maybe not car. maybe not a car. >> some >> maybe some some other lightweight vehicle would lightweight vehicle that would actually more efficient actually be a lot more efficient and bicycle journey he and bicycle long journey is he got he's got a petrol car now though i think car have you got now petrol or diesel. it's a petrol car because the bottom line is no one can afford an electric. >> absolutely right . can't >> absolutely right. can't afford one. most people can't afford one. most people can't afford one. most people can't afford one. thank you so much. ben habib, deputy leader of reform. lois perry cop26, director. edwards, former director. peter edwards, former editor labourlist and editor at the labourlist and john grant. sustainable construction change. construction and climate change. thank much joining thank you so much for joining me. you for the all sorts. me. thank you for the all sorts. what think at home? would what do you think at home? would you electric car? can't you buy an electric car? can't wait to see what the poll says, but you guys are doing it. listen, at or listen, tweet us at gb news or send us thoughts gbviews@gbnews.com. enter send us thoughts gbv poll. bgbnews.com. enter send us thoughts gbv poll. let1ews.com. enter send us thoughts gbv poll. let me;.com. enter send us thoughts gbv poll. let me know enter send us thoughts gbv poll. let me know what enter send us thoughts gbv poll. let me know what you1ter the poll. let me know what you think. nana akua. this is gb news coming up, we'll continue with british debate. with a great british debate.

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sunak to abandon a vote on zero emission vehicle mandate. but what does this mandate actually mean? well, okay, it basically means that manufacturers means that car manufacturers will to ensure that 22% of will have to ensure that 22% of cars sold next year are electric and 80% by 2030. so that this matter has been described as anti consumer, anti motorist, creating more problems for the tories. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, are you buying an electric car? well, let's see what my panel maker that i'm joined by broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. and broadcaster and kelly. and also broadcaster and author hamilton . we'll author christine hamilton. we'll have come straight to you. have to come straight to you. danny are danny kelly, because you are a car dealer . i know not car dealer. i know not a salesman, although i am a salesman, although i am a salesman . salesman. >> but it makes me both. yeah, well, i work for myself. >> danny knows what you're talking about. >> list salesman. talking about. >> besidesesman. talking about. >> besides being a broadcaster. >> besides being a broadcaster. >> that's right. i've done all that. all three things. >> said that it was >> i never said that it was a fascinating and i was fascinating debate, and i was glued to the television before the headlines. mr the half past headlines. mr grant, john grant, lives grant, john grant, who lives in an world, suggested that

an ideal world, suggested that people have 1 or 2 cars in their household, almost like a luxury purchase, like a pair of prada shoes. i can assure mr grant that if a household has 1 or 2 cars, it's out necessity. cars, it's out of necessity. okay people, do you know how much it is? just to insure a car nowadays? it's shot up about 50% over the last 12 months. john. people don't these products people don't have these products because they're a luxury. because they they're a luxury. they have because it's an they have them because it's an essential purchase . they're very essential purchase. they're very rich. yeah, but the majority of homes with one or 2 or 3 cars in it is because they need them. okay. and that's the honest truth about it. now, would i buy an electric car? no, i wouldn't buy car. i wouldn't buy an electric car. i wouldn't buy an electric car. i wouldn't buy one in order sell an buy one in order to sell an electric the prices are electric car. the prices are plummeting, which would make you think, well, maybe you should buy still won't buy one buy one. i still won't buy one because unless you've got a drive, unless you've got your own electric charging it's own electric charging box, it's complete. it's complete fantasy. >> is it's >> what i want to know is it's crazy. are the government crazy. what are the government going to make sure that we going to do to make sure that we can reach target if i'm not can reach that target if i'm not going buy one either, but are going to buy one either, but are they? because i'm going they? no, no, because i'm going to them targets. i want

to give them targets. i want this charging this, this many charging points, this, this, can't this, this and this. you can't force their petrol force people off their petrol and cars without and diesel cars without providing necessary providing the necessary infrastructure. it's just infrastructure. and it's just not well i couldn't not there. no. well i couldn't agree more. >> i've got nothing against electric per se , and i electric cars per se, and i can't remember who was who can't remember who it was who said we'll all be driving one eventually. we probably will. but at moment in but at the moment they're in their not cost their infancy. they're not cost effective. they're incredibly heavy. the cost, the cost of the batteries is astronomical . et batteries is astronomical. et cetera. et cetera. and people shouldn't be forced to have them. if you want an electric car, have one. as danny's just said, most people won't be able to a charging point. need to have a charging point. need them. if you want to drive through middle of wales. through the middle of wales. i mean, luck to you, mate. mean, good luck to you, mate. you. you haven't got a hope in hell getting there. i'm hell of getting there. so i'm not them. i'm not saying not against them. i'm not saying that wrong. not against them. i'm not saying that overlook wrong. not against them. i'm not saying that overlook the wrong. not against them. i'm not saying that overlook the business of we'll overlook the business of the lithium mining. et cetera. et cetera. is largely to et cetera. which is largely to overlook. it's a big thing to overlook, but i'm against overlook, but i'm not against them not think them per se. but i do not think they should be subsidised. they should able float their should be able to float their way in market. and people way in the market. and if people want they buy them.

want to buy them, they buy them. but i won't be. >> and the argument which is thrown against people like myself just get the myself is, well, just get on the train, just get on the bus. oh, for not simple as for goodness. not as simple as that. you know, like if you have a 90 year old father every wednesday i to his wednesday i have to go to his house the wheelie bin out house to get the wheelie bin out for the collection on the thursday morning. now, i can't get a train to my dad's get on a train to my dad's house. get on bus. house. i can't get on a bus. i get in my car. well, especially i mean the trains are on strike at moment well the at the moment as well at the mercy of his argument is to mercy of if his argument is to persuade everyone to stop driving, then they're going to have thousands have to build thousands more miles track. they're miles of train track. they're going to have to provide hundreds carriages. hundreds more carriages. the buses have to put buses are going to have to put about times of about 50 times the amount of buses on. they're going to have to certain destinations to include certain destinations for pick up points that they've never because never even thought about because normally are centrally never even thought about because normallor are centrally never even thought about because normallor pragmatically entrally located or pragmatically located. well, all of a sudden you've got to go down my road because you're not letting me have because you're not letting me havand how have i got here >> and how have i got here today? the trains are on today? because the trains are on strike. normally, train dead strike. normally, i train dead easy local train easy near our local train station, comes into paddington and minutes walk. no and four minutes walk. no

trains. i've to drive. trains. so i've had to drive. it's ridiculous. and the national isn't enough it's ridiculous. and the na support isn't enough it's ridiculous. and the na support everybody enough it's ridiculous. and the na support everybody havingh electric. >> well, they're going to build electric. >> w> and we're just crazy. we're self ourselves. self flagellating ourselves. >> it's in >> it's ridiculous. it's all in the pursuit of net zero, which to me is a ludicrous goal. well, it's not necessarily 2030. >> why 2030? we just need to rise up. the numbers rise up everybody and refuse to buy these wretched things. but they know we've refused to buy them, which is why they're coming up and forcing manufacturers to have of this sort of have this sort of this sort of descending target of production of petrol and diesel and a rising target of electric vehicles forcing them. otherwise they're fine if they don't do it. i think it's so wrong. >> just let the market decide. let vehicles float around and let the decide the level. let the market decide the level. finally, if manufacturers got 80% target by 2030, that means when you walk into a showroom, if they haven't hit their target, they are going to say, i'm sorry, i'm not selling you a petrol car. >> if you buy an electric >> if you don't buy an electric car, go another dealership. car, go to another dealership.

>> listen, this >> that's well, listen, this says nothing without you. let's welcome british welcome our great british voices, opportunity voices, their opportunity to be on show and tell us what on the show and tell us what they about the topics they think about the topics we're discussing. where should we're discussing. where should we let's head to. oh, we head to? let's head to. oh, i love maps here. let's go love it. my maps here. let's go to northamptonshire let's to northamptonshire here. let's have miranda have a chat with miranda richardson. miranda richardson. not the miranda richardson, but miranda richardson. the voice. >> richardson . >> miranda. miranda richardson. our miranda. miranda richardson. >> miranda. miranda richardson. ourmiranda. miranda richardson. >> miranda. miranda richardson. ourmiranda. what1da richardson. >> miranda. miranda richardson. ourmiranda. what1da ricithinkn. >> miranda. what do you think about you be buying about this? will you be buying an car? no, i'm not an electric car? no, i'm not buying an electric car. >> not a chance . i love my >> not a chance. i love my clunky diesel . thanks very much. clunky diesel. thanks very much. and i'll be sticking with her. i think it's dreadful that we're being made to kind of go down this route. and like you say, certainly from a manufacturer's point of view, you know, if you think lorries , if they're being think lorries, if they're being produced, let's make anything that's a giant fleet vehicle . that's a giant fleet vehicle. okay. push them down that route . okay. push them down that route. it's a fleet. they can produce it. >> but certainly from the avenue of making me the individual, you know , go down and buy these cars i >> -- >> no, i lawn >> no, i won't like say, the infrastructure definitely isn't there. i've had to electric

charging points in my pub , both charging points in my pub, both my pub car parks that were put in place last december . and in place last december. and unfortunately, they're still not ready to go. they've been in last december, people pull up and go , oh, i've parked in the and go, oh, i've parked in the charging point. i say, don't worry about it. they're not even on. we can do on. so, you know, we can do these things, they're not these things, but they're not even go as it is. so even ready to go as it is. so no, what do we do with that? >> exactly. and people are scrapping and fighting over the charging now mean, charging points. now i mean, you know, i'm a woman. i'm not going to be sitting minutes some to be sitting 45 minutes in some weird waiting for weird petrol station waiting for my thing i'm in my thing to charge. i'm in a vulnerable position. and this has out man has been thought out by a man and doesn't need to and he obviously doesn't need to worry what we have to do. worry about what we have to do. miranda, thank you so much. a pleasure talk you. that's pleasure to talk to you. that's miranda richardson. she's there. she's richardson. she's our miranda richardson. she's our miranda richardson. she's voice. she's our great british voice. this is news tv online and this is gb news on tv online and on radio. coming up at on digital radio. coming up at five, outside guest. five, it's my outside guest. i'll be joined by the youngest ever apprentice, ever star of the apprentice, a former brand ambassador for gucci internships gucci alongside internships at the westminster . can the palace of westminster. can you who he is? he'll be

you guess who he is? he'll be joining me at five. but first, let's get some weather a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello, welcome to your latest gb news weather. i'm ellie glaisyer . gb news weather. i'm ellie glaisyer. it's been a cloudier and wetter day across the southern half of the uk. a bit of a change to what we've seen recently. this is all due to an area of low pressure situated out towards the southwest. slow moving its way towards us through of today through the rest of today and into tomorrow. this bring into tomorrow. this will bring outbreaks rain and outbreaks of showery rain and cloud larger area of band cloud and a larger area of band of rain pushing its way up from the southwest overnight tonight and tomorrow morning. and into tomorrow morning. there's to bring some there's likely to bring some quite heavy rainfall totals, particularly to parts of southwest england south southwest england and south wales as well, and could turn wintry across the hills of wales, into wales, the midlands and into parts england parts of northern england through drier through monday morning. a drier but colder night again across parts of northern ireland and scotland, perhaps down scotland, perhaps dropping down to minus five minus six. a to minus five or minus six. a milder start across the southwest, particularly southwest, though particularly under and rain. under all that cloud and rain.

and slowly continue to and it will slowly continue to spread its north and spread its way north and eastwards head through the eastwards as we head through the day monday, perhaps causing day on monday, perhaps causing some disruption during some some disruption during the morning drier and morning rush hour. a drier and brighter day again across northern ireland. of northern ireland. parts of western there'll western scotland where there'll be through be plenty of sunshine through the but showers the afternoon, but some showers pushing eastern pushing in along those eastern coasts another cold coasts of scotland. another cold day across the north. temperatures in the low single figures, again across figures, but milder again across the all that the southwest under all that cloud rain . tuesday starts cloud and rain. tuesday starts another and damp picture another cloudy and damp picture for much of england and wales. but rain hill, hill, snow and sleet slowly clears its way south and eastwards through the day. will lead to a drier day. that will lead to a drier and brighter day for most of us on wednesday, but colder, however, week, however, later in the week, further weather further wet and windy weather arrives, turning milder for arrives, but turning milder for all looks like things are heating up. >> box spoilers, sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> right well coming up, this is gb news live on tv online and on digital radio. in a moment, we'll cross over to israel to get the very latest from the

israel—hamas war. and of course, over to to speak to paul over to la to speak to paul duddridge, host of the politics people to get the people podcast, to get the latest trump.

next good afternoon. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana earthquakes coming up to 53 minutes after 4:00. it's time for world view. joining me to talk about the developments in israel and the

hamas conflict is the israeli government spokesperson, avi hyman . avi, good afternoon. hyman. avi, good afternoon. thank you for joining hyman. avi, good afternoon. thank you forjoining me. thank you for joining me. i wanted to start with the nana . wanted to start with the nana. >> thanks for having me on again. >> thank you so much. now, of course, the peace talks have sort of broken down. can you talk to me about what happened with hostage situation? why with the hostage situation? why that wasn't extended and just fill me in on what's been going on. >> so there were discussions to release our hostages . we made it release our hostages. we made it clear from the beginning of this war that we had two objectives. one was to destroy hamas , to one was to destroy hamas, to dismantle their their military capabilities, to dismantle their government and ensure that gaza was free of hamas. and the second was to free those 240 hostages. now we got to a situation with the help of the american administration and others by which we were releasing , others by which we were releasing, um , palestinian releasing, um, palestinian prisoners, people that were in

our prisons for terrorist offences, terrorism offences. and they were releasing around ten hostages a day . so we got to ten hostages a day. so we got to a situation where we had about 110 of our hostages released . 110 of our hostages released. there's still 130 odd in captivity . the focus was women captivity. the focus was women and children until hamas decided to stop releasing hostages. and hamas also decided to start firing rockets in discriminately at israeli civilians as perpetrating that double war crime of shooting at civilians from deep within civilian population . population. >> in see, a lot of people don't understand fully why these talks have broken down. so they started firing rockets. so we where do we go from here because obviously israel has to defend itself and this is a breach of the any sort of ceasefire or any sort of pause in the fighting. so where do we go from here? >> so now firstly, the order of things is important.

>> so now firstly, the order of things is important . firstly, things is important. firstly, they they didn't fulfil all their requirements in the agreement. they didn't reach peace. all of the women and children, which was the least of what they could have done. i mean we're talking about there's still a ten month old baby , um, still a ten month old baby, um, being held . a little baby. why? being held. a little baby. why? who you would take hostage a little baby. um, hamas . hamas little baby. um, hamas. hamas would. and they're still holding him. so we're we're moving ahead. like we said from the beginning, the two aims are not mutually exclusive. we will destroy hamas because we have to destroy hamas because we have to destroy hamas because we have to destroy hamas for the security of our children and for the security of the children of gaza. we can no longer have an isis like terrorist state on our on our southern border. so we're ploughing ahead with that mission and what does success look like to you ? so like the look like to you? so like the prime minister said yesterday, success is victory. we won't stop until full victory and we won't stop until we have those

240 all of our hostages back home. um, so what will the day after hamas look like? well, there's a few things that need to it needs to look like a few things. firstly it needs to be completely demolished , thorized. completely demolished, thorized. they can never perpetrate it. they can never perpetrate it. the likes of what we saw on october 7th. secondly it needs to be totally de—radicalised that ideology of hamas cannot be seen as as a good option for children growing up in gaza. they need to understand that peace is the way forward. reconciling asian etcetera. kind of like in the way that we saw after after the war in nazi germany or in imperial japan. this can be done that de—radicalise ization is very, very important and thirdly, with our help, with help of the international community, we will rebuild gaza and make gaza you know, much better for gaza and for israel. i mean, we were wanting to see gaza become the miami of the middle east instead , we got one of the biggest

terror bases in the world. >> well, listen, avi hyman, thank you so much for talking to me. we appreciate you coming on to the program. that's avi hyman. he's a government spokesperson. much. spokesperson. thank you so much. well, let's travel over now to the united and to the united states and speak to the united states and speak to the politics people the host of the politics people podcast, duddridge, and see podcast, paul duddridge, and see if donald trump be sued. if donald trump can be sued. that the plan. they're going that is the plan. they're going to sue donald trump. be that is the plan. they're going to sue paulald trump. be that is the plan. they're going to suepaul duddridge be that is the plan. they're going to suepaul duddridge , be that is the plan. they're going to suepaul duddridge , what's)e sued. paul duddridge, what's going on? >> yeah, they're throwing everything at donald trump. >> he can now three three federal appeals court judges have ruled that donald trump can be sued in civil court for his role in the january 6th insurrection that was completely made up. >> and so two police officers were injured on that day in a riot , but not were injured on that day in a riot, but not an insurrection . riot, but not an insurrection. but apparently, even though he was president at the time, the judges have discovered that he wasn't acting in his presidential capacity. and so he has no immunity that every other

president has enjoyed since the dawn of time. he is unique because of his comment of fight like hell he is absolutely personally liable and can be sued. and the headline really is donald trump will be sued if they are throwing this is lawfare. the american judicial system has been absolutely weaponized against donald trump. >> what is the response to the people who are watching this? because even if you're not a trump fan and you're watching that, you're thinking, isn't this a bit obvious that they're deliberately trying to take this man way man down in whatever way possible? well, it's having possible? well well, it's having an effect on the polls. >> every single one of these stories drives his poll ratings up. is a civil suit. so, up. this is a civil suit. so, again, this will only have a financial remedy. again, this will only have a financial remedy . this isn't financial remedy. this isn't a criminal prosecution , but it is criminal prosecution, but it is driving his support. it is he is the only game in town. we just we see every other candidate 30, 40 points behind him. and biden himself in states that he won in, apparently, evidently in 2020, trailed donald trump.

biden actually did make a bit of a comeback this week in a few polls, but every single one of these lawfare actions against donald trump is resulting in his increased popularity and better improving poll ratings . but he's improving poll ratings. but he's now being talked about as everybody has to get ready , he's everybody has to get ready, he's coming back. but there's no way that joe biden could possibly manage to continue another term as president of the united states. >> surely people realise that absolutely everybody except joe biden realises that. >> so joe biden i'm pretty confident joe biden won't be the candidate in 2024. i think that what we saw this week was a debate between desantis and newsom . newsom's opening line is newsom. newsom's opening line is that he was there just to support out biden and harris. and i think that's code for i'm going to be taking over. i mean, you know, newsom's already met with president xi, etcetera. so i don't think you'll be seeing

biden go the actual in the biden go into the actual in the actual election . however, it actual election. however, it will be done, i think, at the last minute. i think the plan is to replace him in august next yeah to replace him in august next year. that'd be interesting. that's the that'll be very interesting. >> paul duddridge, i don't think the people are going to bind to that. paul duddridge, thank you so joining me. he is so much forjoining me. he is the the politics people the host of the politics people podcast. you need to him podcast. you need to check him out way. next, out online on the way. next, i have my outside guest. he's a mystery. have you worked out who he is? stay tuned. you'll find out in a few moments time . it's out in a few moments time. it's 5:00. this is gb news on tv, onune 5:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. and for the next houn nana akua. and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting headlines now. hitting the headlines right now. coming outside now. coming up, it's outside now. i'll give some my i'll give you some clues. my mystery guest , i'll give you some clues. my mystery guest, he's i'll give you some clues. my mystery guest , he's the i'll give you some clues. my mystery guest, he's the youngest ever star of the apprentice. he was a former brand ambassador for gucci alongside internships at the palace of westminster .

at the palace of westminster. any ideas? those are the final clues i'm going to give you. get in touch, gb views. gbnews.com. then for the great british debate this i'm asking debate this hour, i'm asking a big question. stay tuned. find out it's all about the out more. but it's all about the civil let's your civil service let's get your latest news with ray addison . latest news with ray addison. >> thanks , nana. fast >> thanks, nana. fast approaching 5:01 live. our top stories this hour. police have confirmed a death in freezing conditions after the body of a man was found in a car in nottingham describing the incident as tragic. they say there investigating the circumstances but are not treating it as suspicious as well. meanwhile around 2500 people in cumbria could be without power until late tonight after heavy snow, electricity . after heavy snow, electricity. nonh after heavy snow, electricity. north west says teams are struggling to reach sections of the damaged network. weather warnings for snow and ice remain in place for many parts of the uk. senior meteorologist jim dale says milder conditions after over the coming days could

now lead to floods . now lead to floods. >> as he will tell you, that area saw about a foot of snow level snow that now that if you melt that snow, which is what meteorologists do, it equates to an inch. tomorrow we've got another system coming in, another system coming in, another system coming in, another system which has got low pressure attached to it's quite a tight, tight thing. so there'll be wind, but also heavy weight rain as well. now, all that down and not just that snow down and not just monday, but on wednesday as well, quite heavyweight rain. so all this snow and the rain attached to it that's coming, i think we might be looking at floods in midweek. again a british owned cargo vessel has reportedly been hit by at least two drones while in the red sea near yemen. >> the pentagon says it's also aware of reports regarding attacks on an american warship in the area. yemeni houthis say they've been targeting two israeli vessels as a man has been killed and two people, including a british tourist, injured in a knife and hammer attack in paris . it happened attack in paris. it happened near the eiffel tower last night

in what the french president described as a terrorist attack . described as a terrorist attack. officials have confirmed that the man who died was a german tourist, a 26 year old french national has been arrested in 2016. he was sentenced to four years in prison for planning another attack . well, over in another attack. well, over in the united states, four people, including two children, have been killed following a stabbing at a home in new york. two police officers were also attacked at before shooting. the suspect said to be a family member dead . and patrick hendry member dead. and patrick hendry is the nyc police benevolent association president. this was chaos. >> multiple victims , a house on >> multiple victims, a house on fire and a mad man on a rampage on a mission and thankful that these police officers showed up . these police officers showed up. imagine what could have happened if these police officers weren't there. this mad man tried to kill after he killed others . a

kill after he killed others. a new york city police officer . new york city police officer. the skill that this police officer had shooting and stopping the threat after he was being stabbed . being stabbed. >> tributes are being paid to baroness kinnock , who died in baroness kinnock, who died in the early hours of this morning. >> the family of the former minister mep and wife of ex—labour leader, lord kinnock says she was a proud democratic socialist who campaigned for justice and against poverty all her life. she was diagnosed with alzheimer's in 2017. sir keir starmer described her as a pioneering woman and a true fighter for the labour party . an fighter for the labour party. an extra £15 million will reportedly be given to rwanda to take migrants who arrive in the united kingdom illegally. that's on top of the £140 million already received. it's believed that the extra cash will be used to expand and improve rwanda's asylum processing system and address concerns raised by the uk's supreme court. 519 people

were intercepted crossing the channel yesterday, bringing this year's total to just over 29,000. the uk will carry out surveillance flights over the middle east to find hostages held by hamas. more than 130 people are still being held captive in gaza, where fighting has resumed following a week long truce . the ministry of long truce. the ministry of defence says the unarmed flights will not have a combat role . will not have a combat role. well, meanwhile, israel continues to carry out intense airstrikes acas in southern gaza. the hamas run health ministry says that seven palestinians were killed and several others injured during a raid on rafah city. the us is calling on israel to avoid further harm to civilians and there's ongoing travel chaos as train drivers stage another day of strikes . aslef union members of strikes. aslef union members have launched a series of walkouts in their dispute over pay walkouts in their dispute over pay great northern thameslink and avanti west coast trains

have been cancelled . chiltern have been cancelled. chiltern railways and west midlands railways and west midlands railway services are also affected . this is gb news across affected. this is gb news across the uk. i'll be back in about half an hour. but now back to nana. >> thank you ray . welcome >> thank you ray. welcome aboard. this is gb news on tv, onune aboard. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course, it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing, and at times we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled . so one will be cancelled. so joining me today is broadcaster and author christine hamilton and author christine hamilton and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. still to come, each sunday at five, i'm joined by a celebrity, a former mp, or someone who's had an extremely interesting to extremely interesting career to take life after the take a look at life after the job. we talk highs, lows, lessons learned and what comes

next on the outside. and today i'll joined by the youngest i'll be joined by the youngest ever star of the apprentice. he's ambassador he's a former brand ambassador for gucci. alongside internships at the of westminster. at the palace of westminster. he's an interesting character, but can you guess who he then but can you guess who he is then for the great british debate this hour? i'm asking should unelected servants remain unelected civil servants remain impartial ? unelected civil servants remain impartial? government sources claim that whitehall feels institutionally bound to raise concerns about proposals to disapply elements of the human rights act from the rwanda scheme . um, but why are these scheme. um, but why are these unelected , supposedly biased unelected, supposedly biased civil services interfering in government's policy? what is that about? why are they getting involved in the government's rwanda deportation plan ? so what rwanda deportation plan? so what do think? should they remain do you think? should they remain on partial ever? email on partial as ever? email gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. seven minutes after at. gb news. seven minutes after 5:00 on every sunday at 5:00. i'm joined by a celebrity, a

former mp or someone who's had an extremely interesting career. we a look at life after the we take a look at life after the job highs lows, lessons job highs and lows, lessons learned and what next. and learned and what comes next. and on week's show, i'm joined on this week's show, i'm joined by individual who's not only by an individual who's not only a personality , but also a standout personality, but also holds unique distinction . holds a unique distinction. being the youngest ever candidate the apprentice , candidate on the apprentice, he's his distinctive he's known for his distinctive style unapologetic attitude. style and unapologetic attitude. he stood out among the candidates making a lasting impression. so i'm happy to say, did you get it? he's the youngest apprentice star. ryan mark ryan, welcome aboard . nice. mark ryan, welcome aboard. nice. thank you for having me. pleasure. pleasure so, ryan, talk to me about the apprentice , talk to me about the apprentice, your journey there, and talk to me about the apprentice, yourjourney there, and also what like being on the what it was like being on the show. i've thought i'd be show. i've often thought i'd be on but couldn't be on there but couldn't be bothered really. well, i was 18 when i auditioned and i just when i auditioned and ijust randomly and thought, randomly applied and i thought, well, i had i was working in harrods and i came harrods at the time and i came up a business idea and my up with a business idea and my friends just encouraging me friends were just encouraging me to go on the show. >> thought, there's no way >> and i thought, there's no way as teenager i'm going to get as a teenager i'm going to get on. went to the london on. and i went to the london audition and there were streams of much than

of people much older than me, and thought they have years of and i thought they have years of business of me. business experience ahead of me. no way am i going to on the no way am i going to be on the show. and got the call and show. and i got the call and i got onto the show and gosh, it was very tough. i actually underestimated tough it underestimated how tough it would did last? i'm >> how long did you last? i'm trying think, which one were trying to think, which one were you was 2019, just before you on? i was 2019, just before the pandemic , so you know the pandemic, so you might know thomas from my series as well. >> we got on quite well and it was six weeks filming, which is the where kept making the one where they kept making well, green and well, everything was green and brown and then did you see that one? >>i one? >> i think that was a few series of mine. but, you know, they set us up. >> you watched it at home because i used to a viewer of because i used to be a viewer of the show and i thought, gosh, these people are so stupid. >> but it's so produced. is it? >> but it's so produced. is it? >> yeah, yeah. really >> yeah, yeah, yeah. really produced. you it's produced. and they tell you it's very say, very prescriptive. they say, well, you can only have three colours or you can only do x, y, z you just have work with z and you just have to work with what given. and it is, what you're given. and it is, yeah, didn't appreciate yeah, i didn't really appreciate that was watching it before. >> i see. what was your catchphrase then? because they always have a catchphrase as

somebody saying somebody who keeps saying something, argument with >> i had an argument with someone another contestant, someone once another contestant, and you're a u—turn. and i said, you're a u—turn. that became quite trendy on social it was social media. i remember it was like wednesday i'd be like every wednesday i'd be number one trending on twitter. well, and yeah, these well, now x and yeah, these phrases pop up and phrases would just pop up and i'd a u—turn i'd say, yeah, you're a u—turn or a million is not enough. that's what used to say. i that's what i used to say. i need a billion to have the lifestyle that believed. that lifestyle that i believed. that was on bbc so so was the advert on bbc one. so so yeah, it was, it was good fun. >> so what's become since >> so what's become of you since then? what's happened to you? >> interesting. then? what's happened to you? >> had interesting. then? what's happened to you? >> had a interesting. then? what's happened to you? >> had a lot|teresting. then? what's happened to you? >> had a lot of'esting. then? what's happened to you? >> had a lot of offers. then? what's happened to you? >> had a lot of offers after >> i had a lot of offers after the show and then we went into the show and then we went into the pandemic, so it was right before the pandemic. so before the pandemic. yeah. so a lot shows abroad were just lot of shows abroad were just completely were completely act so were commissioned, couldn't commissioned, but they couldn't go ahead. so there was bit of go ahead. so there was a bit of a break. and then went to a break. and then i went on to celebrities with my ex. i've done different done a raft of different celebrity i did go celebrity shows. i did celebs go dating came back dating last year. i came back again year date. mark again this year to date. mark francis made chelsea. francis from made in chelsea. so it's a plethora of it's been like a plethora of different opened it different things. but opened it up. disaster. yeah, it up. it was disaster. yeah, it was a disaster. he's a very nutritious character. mark francis yeah, is. tough nutritious character. mark frarto. yeah, is. tough nutritious character. mark frarto crack. is. tough nutritious character. mark fra|you:rack. is. tough nutritious character. mark fra|you :rack. very s. tough nutritious character. mark fra|you:rack. very different)ugh nutritious character. mark

fra|you:rack. very different injh >> you look very different in the apprentice series because we've there. >> look fatter, don't i? i've got a few more chins. yeah. yeah, mean, look that. i've yeah, i mean, look at that. i've got five chins there. >> no, you look good. you actually younger in actually look a lot younger in person. i that person. to be fair, i think that made you older. lot of made you look older. a lot of people that because you look people say that because you look totally you totally different. what do you think? you've worked in think? because you've worked in the what the palace of westminster. what is the whole brit is your take on the whole brit school? or as lady colin campbell him, scabies, campbell calls him, scabies, scabies. that's very good. >> think it's lot of >> i just think it's a lot of hysteria now. i mean, to >> i just think it's a lot of hyshonest now. i mean, to >> i just think it's a lot of hyshonest with ow. i mean, to >> i just think it's a lot of hyshonest with you, mean, to >> i just think it's a lot of hyshonest with you, meiwritten be honest with you, i've written about harry, i've about meghan and harry, i've spoken about meghan and harry on about meghan and harry, i've spoichannel. meghan and harry on about meghan and harry, i've spoichannel. i'mghan and harry on about meghan and harry, i've spoichannel. i'm sonn and harry on about meghan and harry, i've spoichannel. i'm so sick d harry on about meghan and harry, i've spoichannel. i'm so sick of-iarry on this channel. i'm so sick of heanng this channel. i'm so sick of hearing names. think hearing their names. i think they're just so endlessly boring as i just think as a couple. i just think they're sanitised and boring. they're so sanitised and boring. obviously are talking obviously people are talking about revelations of about the revelations of appeared the dutch version of appeared in the dutch version of his end game. i think his book end game. i just think it's hype for his book it's it's hype for his book and it's an amazing pr stunt that will send his sales into the stratosphere. >> i don't know whether it has. i think people are probably boycotting it more than anything. well i'm not so sure, but but yeah, interesting that he's denying he he's actually denying that. he put names. mean, it's as put the names. i mean, it's as if translator would

if some translator would randomly and randomly select two names and p0p randomly select two names and pop there. it'sjust randomly select two names and pop there. it's just not pop them in there. it's just not really is it? really true, is it? >> that doesn't add up to >> well, that doesn't add up to me. i don't understand how an engush me. i don't understand how an english wrote english version that he wrote could somehow could be. somehow the names could be. somehow the names could mistranslated could be mistranslated into the dutch just see dutch version. i just don't see how that makes sense. >> appear there. >> just appear in there. just appear them putting them in there. just absolutely there. it's just absolutely rubbish. also rubbish. yeah. we're also talking about electric cars and i wondered your on i wondered what your take is on those your gen z, you those because your gen z, you people want all this nonsense. what thought ? what are what is your thought? what are your thoughts on it? >> well , i your thoughts on it? >> well, i don't your thoughts on it? >> well , i don't drive so >> i well, i don't drive so i can't even drive. i haven't even had my tests yet, but if i were to drive, i don't know. i feel like that's the direction everyone's going in. i mean, in terms of car manufacturers, tesla, everywhere. tesla, i see teslas everywhere. i don't i can go and walk i don't think i can go and walk down street without seeing down the street without seeing a tesla. what i find dangerous about you can't about them is that you can't hear them. as a pedestrian hear them. and as a pedestrian thatis hear them. and as a pedestrian that is a concern. what it does for the environment. i guess it's a good thing less air, less emissions and at source, obviously at source, less emissions , but not when they're

emissions, but not when they're making them so obviously. >> right. there's other >> right. there's the other implications. i just feel that it's become a trend and i think people just want to have an electric car because it's fashionable and they don't necessarily, like you said, they don't realise the implications it when manufacturing it has when you're manufacturing it, they're made in it, wherever they're made in china other places. china or these other places. >> i just think those emissions aren't accounted for. aren't really accounted for. >> they're not really. and >> well, they're not really. and i'm read an email. i'm going to read you an email. paul a message in about paul sent a message in about electric my electric cars and he said, my wife works a hospital and had wife works in a hospital and had to family give to contact the family to give them news they couldn't them bad news and they couldn't get time to say goodbye get there in time to say goodbye as they charging their ev as they were charging their ev their vehicle. their electric vehicle. but that's their electric vehicle. but tha they just ran out as well, >> they just ran out as well, don't just out. don't >> they just run out. don't they? like in this snow they? i mean, like in this snow and this weather, i'm wondering how efficient they how effective and efficient they are. i'd fancy are. i don't think i'd fancy one. i don't i don't trust electric and actually electric cars and i've actually seen francisco as well, seen in san francisco as well, they're think, two they're trialling, i think, two companies driverless cdl’s. >> cars. >> and now people can book like cars. >> would )w people can book like cars. >> would )w pe ane can book like cars. >> would )w pe an uber book like cars. >> would )w pe an uber oryok like cars. >> would )w pe an uber or another we would book an uber or another taxi can actually taxi service. they can actually just car without just jump into a car without a driver. i think that's horrifying. >> it is fine, especially if it goes of a wall on and goes sort of a wall on you and

decides like the look decides it doesn't like the look of you traps there. of you and traps you in there. i don't like electric cars, so i think if something goes wrong, you you be i think you actually you can be i think you actually you can be i think you trapped in it with if you can be trapped in it with if the if it the electrics go wrong or if it overheats. how do you get out if there's a problem with it? if there's a problem with it? if the go and you're the electrics go and you're inside just when the electrics go and you're insid do just when the electrics go and you're insid do set just when the electrics go and you're insid do set a just when the electrics go and you're insid do set a light, when the electrics go and you're insid do set a light, they/hen the electrics go and you're insid do set a light, they don't they do set a light, they don't stop until the battery is completely burnt out. there's stop until the battery is corwaytely burnt out. there's stop until the battery is corwaytel'puttingout. there's stop until the battery is corwaytel'putting them there's stop until the battery is corwaytel'putting them out. are's no way of putting them out. i find them very scary. >> there's backup so >> there's no backup power. so yeah, if anything were to happen, it's all controlled by the the the electrics can get out of the car. the electrics can get out of the can that the electrics can get out of the car. that happened actually car. and that happened actually going back driverless going back to those driverless cars because they're all electric vehicles well. it electric vehicles as well. it actually just stops. there was a video i saw where a passenger was the middle was just stopped in the middle of road she no of the road and she had no control car because control over the car because everything was automated everything was fully automated and powered by and it was all powered by electricity. that out and it was all powered by el< battery. that out of battery. >> well, that's i mean, the >> well, that's it. i mean, the big in business is big the thing in business is they say put all your eggs big the thing in business is they sebasket. put all your eggs big the thing in business is they sebasket. and all your eggs big the thing in business is they sebasket. and i.l your eggs big the thing in business is they sebasket. and i mean eggs big the thing in business is they sebasket. and i mean by gs in one basket. and i mean by that, having one source of power to control that car. whereas a diesel got diesel and petrol, you've got things things things that are electric things that that are that are this, things that are that are this, things that are that still work if you that that will still work if you run of fuel and that's what run out of fuel and that's what i disturbing. but for

i find very disturbing. but for you next? what are you now, what is next? what are you now, what is next? what are you up next? you up to next? >> i'm working on a >> well, i'm working on a podcast. i was actually editing that some that today, so i've got some really guests coming up on really good guests coming up on that. a different that. and it's a very different format. awkward format. it's kind of awkward silences, is no silences, direct question is no nonsense to the nonsense getting right to the heart to know and heart of what i want to know and people that are follow so, people that are follow me. so, yeah, working on that and yeah, i'm working on that and i'm also working on a documentary coming out. documentary about coming out. >> so that's something that's quite sincere to me because i actually to come out and actually use tv to come out and i on show and that was the i was on a show and that was the first time my family discovered. >> thing is, though, >> but the thing is, though, i mean, say that when mean, i do have to say that when people say, oh, i'm gay, i've come out mean, i don't care. i don't care. yeah. why is it a big big event? i big occasion, a big event? i don't hey, i'm coming out, don't say, hey, i'm coming out, i'm heterosexual, come i'm heterosexual, hey, i come out, i found out, i'm bisexual. hey, i found out, i'm bisexual. hey, i found out do people need to know? out why do people need to know? i i'm not interested. i mean, i'm not interested. why why? relevant tell why? why is it relevant to tell people? wanted to people? i've always wanted to know is it i don't really i know why is it i don't really i mean, guess the assumption mean, i guess the assumption is that you're straight. >> . when? >> i think. when? >> i think. when? >> not really. >> not really. >> well, i think parents just assume children are going assume their children are going to because the to be straight because the majority population majority of the population are straight. that's the straight. so i think that's the assumption have. assumption parents have. and

therefore , i felt the obligation therefore, i felt the obligation to come out to kind of say, well, actually, i'm so just well, actually, i'm not so just telling your parents is a private conversation . private conversation. >> when people say they've come out ha out and there's a big hoo ha about maybe about it. i mean, maybe heterosexual bisexual heterosexual people and bisexual people and everyone should have a bottom line is a coming out. the bottom line is why? okay, a private conversation the parents conversation between the parents that want tell that you might want to tell them. okay maybe. but why does it have to be a big, major event that people need to know about? it's your own private thing. >> well, i just think it's quite a big deal for some people. >> i'm private. >> i mean, i'm pretty private. i don't broadcast. i mean, >> i mean, i'm pretty private. i dended broadcast. i mean, >> i mean, i'm pretty private. i dended up broadcast. i mean, >> i mean, i'm pretty private. i dended up doing cast. i mean, >> i mean, i'm pretty private. i dended up doing a|st. i mean, >> i mean, i'm pretty private. i dended up doing a shownean, >> i mean, i'm pretty private. i dended up doing a show where i ended up doing a show where i didn't necessarily come out. it wasn't out wasn't like a coming out ceremony. show ceremony. i was just on a show with an ex. so it was pretty obvious. i guess for some obvious. but i guess for some people because of homophobia, that still exists and i've seen it in london, it's quite an admission to say that you're gay because you're putting yourself out there. you're subjecting yourself to potential homophobic abuse. yourself to potential homophobic abuse . and i think some people abuse. and i think some people still see that as a big deal. announcing that you're gay just because of the risks that are

associated with saying that you're gay, even today in 2023. well there was an attack outside two so long ago, two brewers not so long ago, which suspected but which is suspected to be, but it's no different homophobic. which is suspected to be, but it's no no erent homophobic. which is suspected to be, but it's no no differentnophobic. which is suspected to be, but it's no no different t0)hobic. which is suspected to be, but it's no no different to somebody >> it's no different to somebody attacking jewish attacking people who are jewish or or anything or black or anything else like that. for that. people attack people for all of reasons . it's all sorts of wrong reasons. it's totally i just totally unacceptable. i just don't i personally don't understand people need to do understand why people need to do that because i don't care. you're just you're unmarked to me. i think a lot of people think thing. think think the same thing. i think most think that. i think most people think that. i think eventually what you're eventually people what you're saying attitude, i hope saying now that attitude, i hope everyone the attitude. everyone has the same attitude. >> feel there are >> but i still feel there are a lot of people that don't. so i feel it's an excuse have feel like it's an excuse to have a well, yeah. >> well, yeah. >> well, yeah. >> mean, it's good to >> i mean, it's good to celebrate even jewish people, you know, bar mitzvahs and things you things like that. you know, everyone celebrate their everyone does celebrate their identity no identity and i think there's no harm there's no harm in harm in no there's no harm in celebrating, it. harm in no there's no harm in c personally it. harm in no there's no harm in c personally don't. it. harm in no there's no harm in c personally don't. i it. harm in no there's no harm in cpersonally don't. i cant. i personally don't. but i can understand why do. understand why people do. >> well, the >> but coming out well, the world to know. ron mark, it's a pleasure to talk to you. what's your podcast called? it's going to words. to be called mark my words. >> so mark my words. >> so ryan mark mark my words. >> so ryan mark mark my words. >> words all about >> mark my words all about honesty. i look forward to

honesty. well, i look forward to listening to thank so listening to that. thank you so much. mark listening to that. thank you so mu words mark listening to that. thank you so mu words . mark listening to that. thank you so mu words . fabulous. mark listening to that. thank you so mu words . fabulous. he mark listening to that. thank you so mu words . fabulous. he is’viark listening to that. thank you so mu words . fabulous. he is an'k his words. fabulous. he is an apprentice star, but he's also a celebrity in his own right now. i just wanted to quickly read some of the messages that you've been sending me with regard to electric says, electric cars. roger says, what? i've says, paul says, i've got paul says, paul says, nope, not buying. one will run on steam before i do that. how ridiculous this net zero is. no. one is saying anything about the two massive walls and all the pollution that causes because walls are okay. right? exactly. it seems to be a lot of nonsense with regard to electric cars. let's see what elaine is saying. elaine says recently when boarding a ferry for the first time, we were asked a question as to whether our car was electric or hybrid. well you know why they want to know, don't they? why they? they don't they? why are they? they must another health don't they? why are they? they mus safety another health don't they? why are they? they mus safety issue|nother health don't they? why are they? they mus safety issue thater health don't they? why are they? they mus safety issue that we'reilth don't they? why are they? they mus safety issue that we're not and safety issue that we're not being well, think being aware of. well, i think the point if it's electric the point is, if it's electric and catch fire, and they do catch fire, you can't that's the can't put them out. that's the bottom line, really. you've got to wait till the battery sort of dies. but stay with me. 18 minutes 5:00, coming up, minutes after 5:00, coming up,

should servants should unelected civil servants remain impartial? government sources claim whitehall feels institutionally bound to raise concerns about proposals to disapply elements of the human rights act from the rwanda scheme. but why are these unelected, supposedly non biased civil servants interfering in the government's rwanda deportation plan? so i'm asking what do you think? should unelected civil servants remain impartial? i'll also get the impartial? i'll also get you the results of that with regard results of that poll with regard to cars . stay tuned .

michael portillo gb news britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> if you just joined me, welcome on board. it's coming up to 23 minutes after 5:00. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. now, earlier i had a pull up. it's still up. there's about ten minutes left before it closes. and i'm asking you, you buying an you, will you be buying an electric far , 88% of you electric car? so far, 88% of you say no way, jose. the remainder say no way, jose. the remainder say they will. there's been lots of messages as well. i love this message from deborah. deborah says, electric says, i'd never buy an electric car . my says, i'd never buy an electric car. my friend had one for a year and soon got bored walking for ten minutes. every other day to the nearest charging point, only to find somebody else plugged it . oh, only to find somebody else plugged it. oh, i'm plugged into it. oh, i'm disabled. can't walk far. my disabled. i can't walk far. my car my freedom. love your car is my freedom. love your show, nana. thank you so much for that. keep the thoughts coming. what coming. i'm wondering what the poll i think near

poll will close at. i think near 95, but it's time now for the great debate. this out. great british debate. this out. and asking, unelected and i'm asking, should unelected civil impartial ? civil servants remain impartial? now, civil servants are reportedly attempting to hinder rishi sunak's legislation designing rwanda as a designated rwanda as a safe country for deporting asylum seekers. why it all feels, i quote, institutionally bound to express concerns about proposals to disapply elements of the human rights act from the rwanda scheme . and of course, this scheme. and of course, this comes amid heated discussions about how far the bill should go as the supreme court ruled the plan was unlawful full just less than a month ago . and some than a month ago. and some conservative mps still believe the legislation will fail unless it also applies the european convention on human rights. well, this sparks broader debate around the role of the unelected civil servants and their mandate to provide evidence based advice to provide evidence based advice to elected officials. so for this , the great british debate this, the great british debate this, the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, should unelected civil servants remain impartial ? unelected civil servants remain impartial? all. well, joining me

now to discuss emma burnell political consultant denis macshane minister of state for europe, and lord dodsworth, author and commentator . well, author and commentator. well, i'm going start with with i'm going to start with with you, lord dodsworth . you, lord dodsworth. >> well, of course, civil servants have to be impartial. >> it's in the civil service code of conduct that they they must remain politically impartial . impartial. >> so the question is not should they? that's answered by their own code . the question is are own code. the question is are they impartial ? well, the they impartial? well, the telegraphs reported that sources in whitehall say that whitehall has been trying to raise questions of legitimacy about rwanda, but also seeking to persuade ministers and create conflicting advice. if that's happening. that is, of course not following the code of being impartial . i not following the code of being impartial. i think there are a couple of reasons that would lead us to suspect this is happening . not only the happening. not only the anonymous sources , but the anonymous sources, but the pubuc anonymous sources, but the public and commercial services union, which has about 16,000 members in the home office , has

members in the home office, has actually threatened strike action. now, it says that that the strike action would be over deteriorating, working conditions that arise as a result of the policies rather than the policy in question . but than the policy in question. but if you read up their statements , if you read up their statements, i just don't think that really quite rings true. the psa has said there's no stomach among its members for the policy. so from the union itself, we get an indication that civil servants aren't on board with rwanda . so aren't on board with rwanda. so that could be part of the problem. but i'd refer you right to the top. you know, when sue gray left it and went to work for labour, labour's keir starmer as chief of staff, she was found to be in breach of the civil servants own code of conduct. and i think that's really , really worrying and what really, really worrying and what we're probably seeing happening throughout the service and throughout the civil service and the culture is that people are too grade just today, if you look on the website, they have a big call to action for how their

members can support pro—palestinian causes . now, of pro—palestinian causes. now, of course, there is able, as anybody is in the country , to anybody is in the country, to support any sort of cause. but it's an inclination, it's an indication that within its ranks are particular political sensitive entities. the wants an immediate ceasefire in israel. but that's, of course, beyond aid. that's that's not that doesn't reflect the government's position. so you can see that union members would have differing opinions to ministers. all right, laura, hold on. a conflict in the workplace, it looks like. >> let me bring in let me bring in somebody else because i want to in denis macshane, to bring in denis macshane, because shaking because you're shaking your head with was why with what laura was saying. why are head, denis? >> very simply, when i was >> well, very simply, when i was a minister, don't know a minister, i don't know what laura about. every laura is talking about. every night in my box, would be, night in my box, there would be, here's minister. here's a problem, minister. >> here is one idea. >> here is one idea. >> here's another idea. >> here's another idea. >> give guidance. so >> give us some guidance. so absolutely normal. and i've been in debates in number 10 on high levels of european policy with tony blair, where different civil servants obviously we

would argue it out in front of him. i mean, they're not eunuchs and but they all will always obey the order of the democratically elected government of the day. its ministers , above all, its prime ministers, above all, its prime minister for heaven's sake, what do we want? everything decided by the guardian editorial board or the sunday telegraph editorial board? >> well , not really. we want >> well, not really. we want things decided by the people who have elected the mps to do the job. we want the civil servants to follow the job that they've job. we want the civil servants to folgiven. a job that they've job. we want the civil servants to folgiven. a job actually y've job. we want the civil servants to folgiven. a job actually there been given. and actually there are they refuse are few things where they refuse . didn't want to work. . they didn't want to work. remember, force remember, they the border force refused to follow the instructions from their instructions for from their mps. that's right . they're not that's not right. they're not allowed to be doing that. why should following should they be not following instructions ? instructions? >> will decide, look , >> mps will decide, look, there's a very better story. frankly, the sunday times, we're quoting different papers with no quote attributed to a single minister. i respect the journalists , but i get a bit fed journalists, but i get a bit fed up when all the quotes are off the record or anonymous in the sunday times and the telegraph and sunday story is

and the sunday times story is completely different. that is , completely different. that is, there is no hardly anybody in there is no hardly anybody in the cabinet who believes this could survive the house of commons, the lords. >> but that's not the point. dennis, i want to bring in i want to bring in emma burnell emma, look, this is a ridiculous , you know, if civil servants are advising that you might be breaking the law, that's good advice to be given . advice to be given. >> however much you don't want to hear it. >> that's the problem . >> that's the problem. >> that's the problem. >> civil servants have a job to tell you when you are . there tell you when you are. there might be a problem with disapplying parts of british law change british law first. that's politicians job. they want to do that. the politician can advise the civil service can then advise them on how to do that. but civil servants can tell you don't break the law. it's not a great idea. that's their job. >> but that's not what they're doing is it? this is the civil servants are trying to block rishi sunak legislation to now they're trying i they're trying to this is i mean, from the mean, i'm reading from the papen mean, i'm reading from the paper, is quoted mean, i'm reading from the pa|the is quoted mean, i'm reading from the pa|the telegraph. is quoted mean, i'm reading from the pa|the telegraph. they're uoted mean, i'm reading from the pa|the telegraph. they're saying by the telegraph. they're saying that are trying that civil servants are trying to block rishi sunak

legislation. that's their legislation. that's not their job. not what they should job. that's not what they should be imitation of being told bad >> imitation of being told bad news. now that is the choice. >> you don't want civil servants who will only tell you good news and what you want to hear because any leadership role has to deal with bad news with what they don't want to hear. we need leaders who are strong enough and tough enough to be able to cope with being told what you're trying to do is not currently possible. are the routes to possible. here are the routes to get there, have to go get there, but you have to go through than making get there, but you have to go thrydreamland than making get there, but you have to go thrydreamland where than making get there, but you have to go thrydreamland where you making get there, but you have to go thrydreamland where you just> if may just politically, >> if i may just politically, can just does rishi that can i just say, does rishi that to your point, very rishi sunak go to laura, really want to spend the next 10 or 12 months whenever the election is being dragged into the jungle in rwanda? i mean , won't even have rwanda? i mean, won't even have farage with him. swamp after swamp of pitfall and pratfall and negative headlines, i'd say probably civil servants are saving sunak. it's not up to

them. >> the british public. let's go to laura. laura dodsworth and not saving him. laura dodsworth . not saving him. laura dodsworth. laura dodsworth can i have laura speaking? laura right. >> you so i can't disagree >> thank you so i can't disagree with the points the other two guests have just made. you cannot necessarily on cannot necessarily rely on anonymous sources . they're not anonymous sources. they're not to names that to put their names to it. that of because they're of course, is because they're not be speaking not supposed to be speaking to the that's another part the media. that's another part of code. of the civil service code. they're secondly, they're breaking. and secondly, of course, civil servants are supposed and supposed to give balance and advice to advice for strong ministers to make i would make decisions. but i would say that that negative that that very negative stereotyping as stereotyping of rwanda as a jungle with swamps is indicative of the kind of bias we've got going on here. now, take aside those other two points. there is clearly a kind of left wing bias within the civil service as there are within many organisations and institutions such as academia , the media, such as academia, the media, many professional classes have been captured by the essentially what are quite luxury beliefs . what are quite luxury beliefs. and the point i made about the pcc's, that's the union itself reflecting that bias, there's a good indication that those anonymous reports in the paper

might be right. well, listen, laura, we're running out of time . the damage that's been done by running time, breaking running out of time, breaking the well , yeah, we're the code, well, yeah, we're running out of time . running out of time. >> you, emma. emma 10s. >> 10s to you, emma. emma 10s. and i've go to the news. and i've got to go to the news. >> if you say now, let's let's allow civil servants to be politicised. imagine how you'll feel when the government changes i >> -- >> well, 5mm >> well, well, that'll be interesting , but i think they interesting, but i think they should just back off. and they weren't saying that. well, this one's saying they should be politicised. they should. we don't to be. don't want them to be. they should impartial. should be impartial. laura dodsworth much. dodsworth thank you very much. as author and commentator also emma burnell, you much emma burnell, thank you so much for talking to me. and denis macshane talk to you macshane lovely to talk to you as right. so what you as well. right. so what do you think? civil servants, should they impartial? they remain impartial? 32 minutes is gb minutes after 5:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. we'll continue with the great british debate this hour. i'm asking should unelected civil servants remain impartial? that is their code ulez thoughts of my panel, ulez the thoughts of my panel, broadcaster author christine broadcaster and author christine hamilton broadcaster hamilton and broadcaster and journalist but journalist danny kelly. but first, your latest first, let's get your latest news headlines .

news headlines. >> thanks, nana 532 our top stories. police have confirmed a death in freezing conditions after the body of a man was found in a car in nottingham describing the incident as tragic . they say they're tragic. they say they're investigating the circumstance chances but are not treating it as suspicious. well, meanwhile , as suspicious. well, meanwhile, 2500 people are without power in cumbria as snow and ice continue to cause problems across the county. electricity north—west say that they're struggling to reach sections of the damaged network. warning services may not be restored until late tonight . a british owned cargo tonight. a british owned cargo vessel has reportedly been hit by at least two drones while in the red sea near yemen. the pentagon says it's also aware of reports regarding attacks on an american warship in the area. yemeni houthis say they've been targeting two israeli vessels , targeting two israeli vessels, as in other international news,

as in other international news, a man has been killed and two others, including a british, touring eight were injured in a knife and hammer attack in paris. it happened near the eiffel tower last night in what the french president is describing as a terrorist attack. the man who died was a german tourist, a 26 year old french national has been arrested in 2016. he was sentenced to four years in prison for planning another attack and an extra £15 million will reportedly be given to rwanda as part of a stop the boats treaty that's on top of the 140 million already received from the uk to take asylum seekers. it's believed that the extra cash will be used to expand and improve rwanda's asylum processing system and address concerns raised by the uk's supreme court that you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website. gbnews.com now let's get straight back to nana . thank

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radio. i am nana akua . and now radio. i am nana akua. and now it's radio. i am nana akua. and now wsfime radio. i am nana akua. and now it's time for our great british debate. this hour , i'm asking debate. this hour, i'm asking should unelected civil servants remain impartial? should unelected civil servants remain impartial ? because, remain impartial? because, according to reports, civil servants are attempting to hinder rishi sunak legislation designating rwanda as a safe country for deporting asylum seekers. whitehall feels, and i quote this institutionally bound to express concerns about proposals to disapply elements of the human rights act that's following the supreme court ruling that the rwanda plan was unlawful just less than a month ago . but should civil servants ago. but should civil servants be advising their elected officials so for this for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, should unelected civil servants remain impartial ? civil servants remain impartial? let's see what my panel make of that. i'm joined by broadcaster and author christine hamilton and author christine hamilton and and journalist and broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. right right . and broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. right right. i'm going to ask you christine hamilton. yes what do you think the part of their civil servants code is that they should remain

impartial, but they are it seems that obstructing things. that they're obstructing things. and absolutely . and that's not absolutely. >> their three codes are honesty, impartial charity and integrity. they're seriously integrity. and they're seriously compromising that. theirjob is to give advice to all shades of whatever political party is in government. they have to give their honest, impartial advice. margaret thatcher summed it up perfectly when she said that civil servants advice as ministers decide and the civil servants, as far as i can see, are stepping over the line. i remember when i was growing up, civil servants were the epitome of impartiality . i mean, they of impartiality. i mean, they were you just took it for granted that they were, you know , integrity, honesty and impartial charity. that was their code. and that's what they all were. i can never actually understand growing up how anybody could be civil anybody could be a civil servant. how you not have a servant. how can you not have a view? and of course, they do have they are have views, but they are stepping over the line. and i think that's fairly obvious . was think that's fairly obvious. was it? it was simon case or it? i think it was simon case or somebody at simon case at a at a

farewell party, wherever it was. and he said there were tears when the brexit vote came in. so we know where they come from. >> you know, i was going to talk about the bbc and conflate the two the bbc are two stories. the bbc are supposed be bastion supposed to be a bastion of impartiality. what take impartiality. what does it take him to it? and two hours him to get to it? and two hours and 40 minutes, finally. and neutrality. the thing neutrality. and the thing is, the that that the bbc will say that that they're impartial and neutral. but look at but you'll notice if you look at output, that output, there's more of that story is of that story than there is of that story. i'm worried story. and i'm worried that if you civil servant , yes, you are a civil servant, yes, you're to advise, but you are a civil servant, yes, ycyou to advise, but you are a civil servant, yes, ycyou have to advise, but you are a civil servant, yes, ycyou have an to advise, but you are a civil servant, yes, ycyou have an agenda, se, but you are a civil servant, yes, ycyou have an agenda, then ut you are a civil servant, yes, ycyou have an agenda, then your if you have an agenda, then your advice now advice is constantly loaded. now ultimately, it's up to the minister and it's like a golf caddy and it's like a golfer. the golf caddy is there to advise. he's there to say, why don't try club? i don't you try this club? i wouldn't use club, but wouldn't use this club, but ultimately up the ultimately it's up to the golfer. constantly golfer. but if you constantly push then push an agenda, then you are potentially going to influence the and then the the outcome. and then the impartiality is for for the impartiality is just for for the the birds. >> i mean, it's big ask for >> i mean, it's a big ask for somebody who's got a political agenda lot of agenda is obviously a lot of people but what we need agenda is obviously a lot of peo strong but what we need agenda is obviously a lot of peostrong ministersiat we need agenda is obviously a lot of peostrong ministers .t we need agenda is obviously a lot of peostrong ministers . not need agenda is obviously a lot of peostrong ministers. not toozd are strong ministers. not too many ministers arrive in post

and they are too easily pushed here and there by the civil servants. >> perhaps you need a more balanced civil service. one balanced civil service. so one that array of that reflects a wider array of opinions rather than the ones that there that that seem to be there that appear to be captured this appear to be captured by this woke i mean, it's woke ideology. i mean, it's unbelievable. >> is to weigh >> well, their job is to weigh up options, weigh the up the options, weigh up the merits of case advise merits of the case and advise accordingly. say accordingly. it's not to say what i think you should do. it's this is on the one hand, and that's on the other and that's on the other hand. and it's minister to decide. it's for the minister to decide. >> but the point is >> but the point you made is that it's very difficult for them to actually that it them to actually do that and it seems unable to. seems that they are unable to. so is to have a so maybe the answer is to have a more balanced look at being a car dealer as well as bbc. car dealer as well as an bbc. >> let's just bring >> let's just let's just bring everything in, bring everything in. i on in. if i have a car that i on the lot that i want to get rid of and i know that there's a flick of a coin that car flick of a coin between that car that to get of and that i want to get rid of and some stock and someone's some fresh stock and someone's interesting. i'm to be a interesting. i'm going to be a civil or journo. civil servant or a bbc journo. i'm going well, look, i'm going to say, well, look, let tell you about the great let me tell you about the great points benefits on points, the great benefits on this car . i'm points, the great benefits on this car. i'm desperate to get rid never tell him. and rid of it. never tell him. and then me tell you. and have

then let me tell you. and have you this and have you thought about this and have you thought about this and have you thought about that? and then all of a sudden the impartiality, neutrality is impartiality, my neutrality is actually it's out the window. it's because it's a biased opinion because i'm them in this i'm pushing them in this direction. , you direction. but ultimately, you do that, though, do you? no, i don't. but it's just an analogy. but ultimately that that's fine. ultimately up the like ultimately it's up to the like the minister, it's up to the customer. >> but that's not fair. if you're swaying them to one side because you've got to get rid of that car. >> right. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> the >> it's just the same. >> it's just the same. >> danny's got a business to do and you go and buy a car from anybody well and you go and buy a car from aryou dy well and you go and buy a car from aryou think well and you go and buy a car from aryou think about well and you go and buy a car from aryou think about that well and you go and buy a car from aryou think about that if well if you think about it, that if they want to get rid of one, they'll push it. but, you know, on service, i think on the civil service, i think the that began up the thing that began to flag up for of people was the sue for a lot of people was the sue gray. sue gray when sue gray was investigated borisjohnson. i investigated by boris johnson. i just assumed that she was impartial cetera. impartial and honest. et cetera. et a civil servant as et cetera. a civil servant as she should within she obviously should be. within seconds, over to work seconds, she's gone over to work for starmer, and she was in discussion with him she discussion with him while she was doing now, anybody who was doing that. now, anybody who seriously promise and seriously took their promise and oaths, whatever they do, would have said, i can't do this. >> yeah, it looks awful.

>> yeah, it looks awful. >> it looks awful . she is the >> it looks awful. she is the sort of figurehead of the non impartial civil service. >> didn't boris call a >> well, didn't boris call a psycho sue gray or sue gray psycho? that's what i'm just reading something. >> well, he's clearly not impartial, but he doesn't have to be. >> well, that's what it says on it's news their website. it's sky news on their website. i'm at but i'm just looking at that but let's very good. listen, this show nothing without this show is nothing without this show is nothing without this show nothing without so show is nothing without you. so let's our great british let's get our great british voices the to find out voices onto the show to find out what about the topics what they think about the topics we're . today, we're discussing. and today, i've got four of you, david balme , philip hoy, and it was balme, philip hoy, and it was only three you. and adrian. only three of you. and adrian. adrian gel. i'm going to start with you. david balme . with you. david balme. >> nan and team. um, i'm >> hello, nan and team. um, i'm surprised everyone's surprised by this. go back to that fabulous programme of the 70s. yes, minister , you had the prime yes, minister, you had the prime minister, jim hacker, at the time , very weak, being led by time, very weak, being led by the nose by humphrey appleby. and that's how the civil servant has always been. i'm surprised anyone shocked by all the civil

servant? they say they're permanent and the ministers are elected. so no, you can't have they won't be impartial because they won't be impartial because they only have their own agenda. >> they're pushing it as well. okay. next up, philip hoy, what do you think ? do you think? >> yeah. hi, nana. hi, guys. well, we've talked about the civil service code, which talks about integrity, honesty about activity and impartiality. >> but the prime points and this is actually in the code to serve the government , whatever their the government, whatever their political persuasion , maintain political persuasion, maintain political persuasion, maintain political impartiality . political impartiality. >> now, don't believe there is any impartiality anymore. look at the civil servants that have now joined not in the days of sir humphrey, which i love that program and believe so did margaret thatcher. but nowadays people are actually there to try and block what the government wants to do. and i honestly believe that. and i think the whole thing needs to be cleared out . out. >> yeah, i'd agree with you. i think they do need to clear them all and let's go to adrian all out. and let's go to adrian gell. adrian yeah. >> so yeah , we've talked about

>> so yeah, we've talked about the civil service code and the necessity of the members of the civil service to follow that that , that code and if that that, that code and if that means implementing the current government's rwanda plan or policy and seeing it through, so be it . be it. >> i mean, you don't go you don't go and work for a butcher and suddenly become vegetarian and suddenly become vegetarian and say you're only going to sell broccoli or lollipops from pete's confectionery neck store next door . you know, you you do next door. you know, you you do that and you you do your job and yourjob of that and you you do your job and your job of the that and you you do your job and yourjob of the civil service is your job of the civil service is to be impartial, bloated as the civil service is. we could do with reducing by at least 25% and getting rid of some of these partisan woke members of the civil service. >> totally agree with you. we need to get rid of them. i think i'm i'm with philip on that. the clear out clear out. wilson clear out clear them out. wilson david barham, you very david barham, thank you very much. philip hoy, agent. much. philip hoy, an agent. lovely to talk to you. thank you. my british you. those are my great british voices we love hearing what they think. but now staff my mini debate it's something

debate because it's something that this week, an that i saw earlier this week, an interview week, a bbc radio interview this week, a bbc radio five live presenter says an overwhelmingly working overwhelmingly white working force has an impact on his mental health. of course , mental health. of course, speaking to a journalism diversity conference, the presenter said there are no muslim workers involved in the senior editorial process . at senior editorial process. at radio five live, and that was, of course, nihal , wasn't it? of course, nihal, wasn't it? what's his name? >> nihal arthur , radhika or something? >> yes, his name is not on there, which is interesting. right. let's see what my panel make of that. christine hamilton, kelly, start hamilton, danny kelly, start with he's ex—bbc. >> irony isn't lost on me >> the irony isn't lost on me that the reason that lad that the only reason that lad might on air is because he's might be on air is because he's ticking a box. yeah, i mean, that's the irony of the whole thing. that's he got his job. >> that's how he got his job. >> that's how he got his job. >> probably on air because >> he's probably on air because he's so. so i think he's not white. so. so i think people understand that. people need to understand that. >> that danny >> and also saying that danny no, say that. listen, let no, i do say that. listen, let me a me finish, because it's a possibility. >> maybe . >> yeah, maybe. >> yeah, maybe. >> but thing is, i get a lot >> but the thing is, i get a lot of gb news people. of that here on gb news people. yeah, because you're black. no, i'm a very talented person. you are. i'm here. so are. and that's why i'm here. so that's fair, really, say

that's not fair, really, to say that, bbc, that, though, because the bbc, by their own admission, have quotas about representing ethnic minorities . minorities. >> yeah, but he might. >> yeah, but he might. >> they may have a point, but he may or he may not. >> he might be good. >> he might be good. >> possibility. >> it's a possibility. >> it's a possibility. >> all i'm saying. it's >> that's all i'm saying. it's a possibility. and the way, possibility. and by the way, what like? what does a muslim look like? i could be a muslim. he says that there muslims people could be a muslim. he says that therelook muslims people could be a muslim. he says that therelooklike/iuslims people could be a muslim. he says that therelook like muslims. people could be a muslim. he says that therelook like muslims. ioeople could be a muslim. he says that therelook like muslims. i could who look like muslims. i could be a muslim. >> it's very odd. be a muslim. >> you very odd. be a muslim. >> you could dd. be a muslim. >> you could be a muslim. why bnng >> you could be a muslim. why bring religion into it? i don't get it's apparently get it because it's apparently affecting mental health, affecting his mental health, isn't it? >> something. isn't it? >> some honestly, talk >> i mean, honestly, we talk about for about snowflake generation for heaven. what is he? >> he's not young. he's not one from the snowflake generation. >> snowflake generation >> then the snowflake generation is bigger than i thought. i mean, what does he expect? we are still an 86% white country, for goodness what he for goodness sake. what does he expect? think expect? does he expect to think the whole thing to be reversed? it's madness. it's that it's madness. it's like that woman the other day complaining about looking balcony about the white looking balcony at . our royal at buckingham palace. our royal family is basically white. we're a white country. what does he expect? >> well, yes, he said he said poor little diddums. yes, he's speaking to a journalist in diversity conference of radio five told

five live. he told the journalism fund the journalism diversity fund at the conference that the bbc media city in salford that many were leaving company the leaving the company due to the culture. and also said that culture. and he also said that he the difference he noticed the difference since moving the north after living moving to the north after living in london years. so well, in london for 20 years. so well, he's saying it's he's just saying that it's really affecting that i walk really affecting me that i walk in and all see is white in and all i see is white people. i've seen a lot of people. i've seen a lot of people leave this building because couldn't deal with because they couldn't deal with the culture. the culture is being white, surrounded by white people. >> i think you'll find that the bbc employs a much larger percentage of non—white white than there are in the country. as a whole. so, you know, but i think ultimately, i think the bottom line is this focus on diversity city as in diversity. >> and the only diversity they see colour of skin colour see is the colour of skin colour is not great. i think they is not great. and i think they need focus diversity need to focus on diversity of talent ability. that's right talent and ability. that's right . from . and actually move away from talking having black talking about having black people people or people or white people or whatever. with whatever. and just stick with that. a statement that. but listen, in a statement , diversity , the journalism diversity conference added a bbc spokesperson said this, events like this one today are instrumental in bringing new

talent in. as we work towards making our organisation as inclusive as possible, we want everyone who works at the bbc and those considering a career with to us know we are focussed on creating an inclusive culture where feels that they where everyone feels that they belong and apart from what they did danny i lost the did to you. danny i lost the job. may i just say i lost my job. may i just say i lost my job three months before i lost my job. >> the bbc in told the >> the bbc in london told the bbc birmingham. the line bbc in birmingham. the line up is old and white. i was is too old and too white. i was replaced well, they got is too old and too white. i was replawish well, they got is too old and too white. i was replawish forvell, they got is too old and too white. i was replawish for diversity. got is too old and too white. i was replawish for diversity. iot is too old and too white. i was replawish for diversity. i was their wish for diversity. i was replaced the audience replaced and the audience figures have gone through the floor. it's meritocracy anymore. >> just needs to best >> it just needs to be the best person for job. person for the job. >> pick me up. which was >> news pick me up. which was the even the best thing that ever. >> yeah. go. >> yeah. there you go. >> yeah. there you go. >> pale and stale. >> your male, pale and stale. that your problem. that was your problem. >> well, it fits >> that's perfect. well, it fits here perfectly. and here perfectly. right. and now it's the with my it's time for the sunday with my panel and i discuss some of the news stories that caught our eyes. see. eyes. right. let's see. christine, danny, who should we start who wants first? >> god remind. well, i love this story. it's the king. he story. it's about the king. he upcycles windsor castle curtains into . i mean, i think into kimono. i mean, i think it's splendid. oh, old royal

curtains have been upcycled into kimonos at the suggestion of the king. apparently vast swathes of fabnc king. apparently vast swathes of fabric were lying unused in storage somewhere around windsor castle , and they've been made castle, and they've been made into kimonos . and they're going into kimonos. and they're going to be sold at auction for charity for about 50m of material has been used to make these garments and they've been done by fashion students. and each one took between 8 and 10 hours to tailor by hand. so i think it's good for the king >> yeah, interesting. does he wear the kimonos is for wear the kimonos or is it for other people? wear the kimonos or is it for oth if people? wear the kimonos or is it for oth if the ple? wear the kimonos or is it for oth if the kimono is for him or >> if the kimono is for him or for other people, i'm wondering. oh, they're going be sold oh, no, they're going to be sold for could one for charity. he could buy one if he just there be he wants to. just there might be a little bit stiff, but they'd make great statement. what do make a great statement. what do you right. >> right. >> right. >> this is great story. garden >> this is a great story. garden ornament be live ornament turns out to be a live bomb. a couple of cups. ornament turns out to be a live bomb. a couple of cups . a couple bomb. a couple of cups. a couple who kept a £64 naval project while as a garden ornament said it was like the passing of an old friend when it was detonated by a bomb disposal team. get this. listen to this, mrs. edwards said she used to bang her trowel on the bomb to remove

earth after gardening. it had been the gardener for 97 years. they thought it was a dummy and it was picked up by the mod and it was picked up by the mod and it was picked up by the mod and it was a lie. and she'd been banging it. oh my god, for years with a garden trowel. >> hilarious. >> hilarious. >> that's brilliant. >> that's brilliant. >> that's brilliant. >> that's funny. milford haven, isn't it? >> milford haven. >> milford haven. >> milford haven. that's hilarious. my hilarious. well, it's over to my supplement pressure is growing on harry and meghan, which to demand action because, of course, obe covid. his new book that came out, endgame, which sort of goes about the whole sort of goes on about the whole racism and i haven't read racism thing. and i haven't read it, thankfully, and sort of points out to who points out to people who supposedly the racists the supposedly the racists in the royal although he calls royal family, although he calls it bias, to be fair. it unconscious bias, to be fair. but i'm not sure i don't even think they understand what that means. what do you think, means. but what do you think, danny? do you think that king charles something ? charles should say something? >> i've said this >> i think i've said this before. think king charles is before. i think king charles is remaining dignified with his silence. at some point, you silence. but at some point, you know, going to have to know, you are going to have to break and you going break silence and you are going to to say something. and to have to say something. and i tell harry tell you what, harry and his missus, should now missus, meghan, should now

approach and look, approach them and say, look, this supposed be in this was never supposed to be in the book. i'd to distance the book. i'd like to distance ourselves from the book. by ourselves from the book. and by the way, not coming for the way, we're not coming for christmas know we're christmas because i know we're not in the fantasy, not welcome. but in the fantasy, i finding fantasy, i call it finding fantasy, although it's finding freedom. >> old book scabies >> obe scabies, old book scabies , call him scabies scooby—doo , call him scabies or scooby—doo . meghan said that she wasn't involved in any of it and hadn't passed any information, and it turned out wasn't true. turned out that it wasn't true. well, so? well, what if so? >> isn't why they >> why isn't. why aren't they harry why aren't harry and meghan? why aren't they saying this is we have not said this. we do not think they're racist, etcetera, etcetera. and there's this extraordinary scabies etcetera. and there's this extrathat|ary scabies etcetera. and there's this extrathat he scabies etcetera. and there's this extrathat he didn't scabies etcetera. and there's this extrathat he didn't puthies etcetera. and there's this extrathat he didn't put that says that he didn't put that it's a good name. he did not put that in the original thing when it was sent over to be translated in holland dutch. yeah the translators say , well, yeah the translators say, well, i didn't invent it. i translate what was put in for me in front of me and the names were there. so i this scabies is lying or the translator and i know who believe. >> well the translator is not going to put in some random names. they're not. i mean, that's absolutely ruin. >> think anybody in this >> you think anybody in this country that

country seriously believes that that and catherine that king charles and catherine are racists? >> it's just a are racists? >> it'sjust a pr are racists? >> it's just a pr stunt. are racists? >> it'sjust a pr stunt. but >> it's just a pr stunt. but listen, you know, those are the names named in book. the names named in the book. but the whole said was whole thing he said was unconscious bottom unconscious bias. the bottom line don't know how line is, i don't even know how you unconsciously to you can unconsciously bias to say all the colour of someone's skin is that's not an unconscious. be unconscious. that's got would be a conscious doesn't a conscious comment. it doesn't make also harry make any sense. and also harry did racism, racism , did say that racism, racism, nobody in his family are racist and they're not like that in that interview. so who knows? it's rubbish . it's all rubbish. >> speak up speak up now. >> speak up now. speak up now. >> speak up now. speak up now. >> come on, speak up now , >> come on, speak up now, listen. what do you think, though? listen it's been a great fun talking listen fun talking to you. listen earlier show, earlier today on today's show, i was asking, would you buy an electric car? and guess what? 11% of say yes, 89% of you electric car? and guess what? 11% no say yes, 89% of you electric car? and guess what? 11% no . say yes, 89% of you electric car? and guess what? 11% no . so, ay yes, 89% of you electric car? and guess what? 11% no . so, yeah, , 89% of you electric car? and guess what? 11% no . so, yeah, looka of you electric car? and guess what? 11% no . so, yeah, look atf you electric car? and guess what? 11% no . so, yeah, look at that. say no. so, yeah, look at that. thank you so much to my panel. broadcaster and author christine hamilton and also broadcasting journalist danny kelly. thank you so much. thank you. and a huge thank you to you today for joining me. it's been much joining me. it's been so much fun. be back next week, fun. i'll be back next week, same time, same place, 3:00 on saturday. i'll you with saturday. i'll leave you with the weather. >> things are

>> uh, looks like things are heating up. boiler is heating up. boxt boiler is sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello . welcome to your latest >> hello. welcome to your latest gb news weather. i'm ellie glazier. it's been a cloudier and wetter day across the southern half of the uk. a bit of a change to what we've seen recently. this is all due to an area of low pressure situated out towards the southwest, slowly moving its towards slowly moving its way towards us through of and through the rest of today and into tomorrow. will bring into tomorrow. this will bring outbreaks of showery and outbreaks of showery rain and cloud and a larger area of band of rain pushing its way up from the southwest overnight tonight and morning. and into tomorrow morning. there's likely to bring some quite rainfall totals , quite heavy rainfall totals, particularly of particularly to parts of southwest and south particularly to parts of southvast and south particularly to parts of southv as well. and south particularly to parts of southv as well. and and south particularly to parts of southvas well. and could)uth particularly to parts of southv as well. and could turn wales as well. and could turn wintry across the hills of wales , the midlands parts of , the midlands and into parts of northern through monday northern england through monday morning. drier but colder morning. a drier but colder night across of night again across parts of northern ireland scotland, northern ireland and scotland, perhaps down to —5 or perhaps dropping down to —5 or —6. a milder start across the south—west, though particularly under all that and rain. under all that cloud and rain. and slowly continue to and it will slowly continue to spread its way north and eastwards through the eastwards as we head through the

day perhaps causing day on monday, perhaps causing some disruption during some some disruption during the morning drier and morning rush hour, a drier and brighter day again across northern parts of northern ireland, parts of western scotland where there'll be sunshine through be plenty of sunshine through the afternoon, but some showers pushing those eastern the afternoon, but some showers pushinof those eastern the afternoon, but some showers pushin of scotland 1ose eastern the afternoon, but some showers pushinof scotland .)se eastern the afternoon, but some showers pushin of scotland . anotherern the afternoon, but some showers pushin of scotland . another cold coasts of scotland. another cold day north. day across the north. temperatures in the low single figures, again across figures, but milder again across the southwest. all that figures, but milder again across the so and/est. all that figures, but milder again across the so and/est. tuesdayll that figures, but milder again across the so and/est. tuesday starts cloud and rain tuesday starts another cloudy and damp picture for much of england and wales. but rain hill, hill, snow and sleet slowly clears its way south through south and eastwards through the day . that lead south and eastwards through the day. that lead a drier day. that will lead to a drier and day for most us and brighter day for most of us on wednesday, colder, on wednesday, but colder, however the week. however, for later in the week. further wet windy further wet and windy weather arrives, turning milder for arrives, but turning milder for all that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on