soon >> good morning. it's 9.30 on monday, the 4th of december. this is britain's newsroom on gb news. with me, andrew pierce and bev turner a revised rwanda plan. >> the british government is set to give rwanda at least £15 million to secure an immigration treaty . our political editor treaty. our political editor chris hope has the latest . chris hope has the latest. >> it's a huge week for rishi sunak.can >> it's a huge week for rishi sunak. can he stop the boats .7 sunak. can he stop the boats.7 his political career depends on it. we'll find out. >> i'm talking of the small boat surge , around 520. cross the surge, around 520. cross the channel on small boats on saturday. that's almost 30,000

so far this year. too many. and sunak takes on the bbc. >> the prime minister has warned the beeb that he will block plans to increase the licence fee next year, a hike that would see cost reach a 40 year see the cost reach a 40 year high. and it's nigel farage going to go tory. >> the prime minister hinted nigel farage would be welcome to rejoin the tories , calling the rejoin the tories, calling the party a broad church . does it party a broad church. does it feel inevitable after stanley johnson said on this show last week , the conservatives ought to week, the conservatives ought to open their arms to nigel farage instead of taking a stand off out of the attitude . out of the attitude. >> and i think we cannot afford to have a man of that talent, not not in our camp at the next election. and of course, nigel farage is currently in the final week in the jungle on i'm a celebrity. >> voting is open to make him king. and he's got this message for all of you. >> i'm asking you to vote. remain. no, seriously , vote for remain. no, seriously, vote for me to remain in the jungle. now,

the easiest way to do it is to get the i'm a celebrity app that gives you five free votes or you can phone or text . can phone or text. so if you'd like to do that and why wouldn't you.7 >> why wouldn't you? >> to support nigel and thereby gb news, please register to vote for farage. grab your phone scan , scan the qr code on the screen now or you can download the app separately. you can vote for him five times a day. >> free of charge, free of charge to vote for him in that way. >> think you can also do the >> i think you can also do the texting and the calling or whatever this the whatever else, but this is the most straightforward way probably do wherever you probably to do it. wherever you get upload the get your apps from, upload the app. celebrity app on app. the i'm a celebrity app on your or scan that code on your phone or scan that code on your phone or scan that code on your camera phone right now. and let's make nigel king of the jungle. >> you've got to vote for him. >> you've got to vote for him. >> yeah we'd like that very much. get in touch with us this

morning. vaiews@gbnews.com is the email for all of our talking points. we've barely touched upon the we're going upon the topics we're going to be we've given be discussing. we've only given you there. we're you a small sample there. we're here midday. first, here until midday. first, though, sanchez though, here's tatiana sanchez in newsroom . in the newsroom. >> beth, thank you. good morning. this is the latest from the newsroom. british lawyers could be sent to rwanda to advise judges there on asylum cases. the move would be a part of a new treaty aimed at making the government's rwanda plan legally watertight. following the supreme court's ruling against it in november. meanwhile there's been speculation the african nations pushing for more money on top of the £140 million already committed to the scheme from the ministry of defence's plan for new weapons has a budget black hole of £169 new weapons has a budget black hole of £16.9 billion. the national audit office said. the mod's ten year programme until 2033 was unaffordable and the projected deficit is the biggest

since 2012. it puts the estimated cost at more than £300 billion against a budget of just over 288 billion. the culture secretary says the government's concerned about suggestions that the bbc's licence fee could go up because of the cost of living pressures. lucy fraser says she wanted it to rise by an appropriate amount, but a planned 9% rise to £15 would be a very high level of the licence fee is currently £159 per year, but it's set to rise to just over £173 in april. there are reports the prime minister could block the increase . israel's block the increase. israel's ordered people living in southern gaza to urgently flee as it widens its offensive. it says israeli forces killed two palestinians and detained two others during a raid in the occupied west bank this morning. the military's vowed to hit the south with no less strength than it targeted the north. but palestinian civilians say they've run out of places to go

and almost . they've run out of places to go and almost. £4 billion is being put in to improving rail links. in northern england, the government has pledged the money to accelerate the transpennine route between manchester, huddersfield, leeds and york. it's already invested £3 billion into the project, which is expected to deliver electrified tracks by the middle of the decade. tracks by the middle of the decade . the announcement comes decade. the announcement comes after the planned hs2 route between birmingham and manchester was axed in october. for more on all of those stories , you can visit our website, gbnews.com. now back to andrew and . bev and.bev >> very good morning. it's 935 cold monday morning. well the bbc central the political agenda this week it's on the front of my newspaper, the daily mail. >> that's right . because the >> that's right. because the prime minister is going to block he says a 9% rise in the licence fee, saying the corporation has to be realistic about what the

pubuc to be realistic about what the public afford. would be public can afford. it would be the rise for 40 years. the biggest rise for 40 years. >> that's yeah. the >> that's right, yeah. the annual due to jump by annual fee is due to jump by almost . £15 to £173.30 in april almost. £15 to £173.30 in april in what would be the biggest single increase for 40 years, it accounts for 71% of bbc funding. >> last year. so we're asking you , do you think it's you, do you think it's justified? you know how to get in touch with us? and i don't think it is. >> i'll go on. why? >> i'll go on. why? >> because it's 9. we're in a cost of living crisis and a lot of people who pay the licence, a lot of people don't pay the licence. the way, 2.8 million licence. by the way, 2.8 million people don't and people just don't bother. and they're people because they're young people because they're young people because they a tv. you know, they don't watch a tv. you know, you've teenagers, watch you've got teenagers, they watch on they don't on their devices. they don't have older people in have tvs. older people in particular have the fee particular have the licence fee and too 9. pulling and it's too much, 9. pulling your horns close down. bbc three, nobody's watching it closed bbc six an and if closed down. bbc six an and if and perhaps bring in some form of subscription . of subscription. >> so do you not watch any bbc or do you listen to any bbc radio? >> i never listen to bbc radio. i watch bbc drama sometimes.

>> yeah, i'm happy to pay. >> yeah, i'm happy to pay. >> i'm not saying scrap the licence fee, i'm saying we are not should give them a 9% not we should not give them a 9% rise. your cloth accordingly rise. cut your cloth accordingly . else to. do . everybody else has to. why do they to employ 20,000 they have to employ 20,000 people? >> i have. >> i get. i have. >> i get. i have. >> i have a sort of slightly sentimental romantic sentimental and romantic relationship bbc, i relationship with the bbc, i think. what's that you're think. what's that face you're pulling ? andrew gwynne bbc and pulling? andrew gwynne bbc and that's a very that's i'm not for a very non sentimental person. funny, sentimental person. it is funny, but pve sentimental person. it is funny, but i've often but i think i've often remembered growing up and thinking, isn't it great that we have a channel that doesn't have adverts on it and i do think we lose at our peril. we all lose that at our peril. we all get obviously by get frustrated obviously by by advert but maybe it is advert breaks, but maybe it is just anachronistic now. it's unrealistic that we unrealistic to think that we should having any sort of should be having any sort of broadcaster to broadcaster that doesn't have to rely commercial imperative rely on a commercial imperative to alive. and there's to keep it alive. and there's definitely waste there. definitely some waste on there. and also when where i do buy into the idea that we should not be paying for the bbc is when i think about gary lineker salary. >> exactly. and there plenty >> exactly. and there are plenty more well over £1 million for talking about football, talking about football. >> offered before. i'll >> i i've offered before. i'll do lot less.

do it for a lot less. >> you know anything about football, but i could it for football, but i could do it for a lot less. >> but that's when i start to go. well hang a minute. are go. well hang on a minute. are they the here by they taking the mickey here by paying they taking the mickey here by paying like gary paying somebody like gary lineker? of money, lineker? that amount of money, which is a job that loads of ex footballers do for footballers could do for probably money, a lot probably half that money, a lot less probably half that money, a lot leszlet's talk to our political >> let's talk to our political edhon >> let's talk to our political editor, chris hope, who is in westminster. is he really westminster. chris, is he really going to block the going to block it? the prime minister morning going to block it? the prime miryeah, morning going to block it? the prime miryeah, waiting morning going to block it? the prime miryeah, waiting to orning going to block it? the prime miryeah, waiting to see,|g >> yeah, we're waiting to see, aren't i missed that aren't we? i missed that question. i'm sorry i missed question. i'm so sorry i missed that question. >> licence is the prime >> the licence fee is the prime minister really going to block the well, said remarks >> well, he said these remarks to on the way to the cop 28 to us on the way to the cop 28 eventin to us on the way to the cop 28 event in in in dubai on in to friday morning. he made very clear that the bbc should cut its cloth. he's been asked about the job cuts at newsnight this bbc newsnight programme and whether they felt that was appropriate. he said they should cut their cloth. mean, he cut their cloth. i mean, he recognised the issues the of recognised the issues of the of the living crisis. i'm the cost of living crisis. i'm not they can it, not sure they can block it, andrew, because it's independent of the government. the bbc. but andrew, because it's independent of tbutjovernment. the bbc. but andrew, because it's independent of tbut it's rnment. the bbc. but andrew, because it's independent of tbut it's very�*nt. the bbc. but andrew, because it's independent of tbut it's very hardhe bbc. but andrew, because it's independent of tbut it's very hard i; bbc. but andrew, because it's independent of tbut it's very hard i think, but no, but it's very hard i think, for to push it through. if

for them to push it through. if there's from the there's opposition from the government you say, any government and as you say, any of charges are quite a lot of these charges are quite a lot for many families on smaller budgets to take. so i think he's concerned that's shot concerned and that's a shot across ahead the across the bows ahead of the april increase. >> hearing this this >> we're hearing this this chatter in it was stanley chatter. in fact, it was stanley johnson talked about it on johnson who talked about it on this show last week. christopher about coming of about nigel farage coming out of the jungle and then on his renewed popularity , renewed wave of popularity, joining the conservative party now, it's caused a bit of a twitter storm yesterday with a lot nigel farage and reform lot of nigel farage and reform uk fans actually saying that if nigel did that, he would be letting them down. what are you heanng letting them down. what are you hearing westminsterfor? hearing in westminster for? >> well, that was actually my question to the prime minister because i saw what stanley said on your program. so i asked the pm outright is mr farage. welcome back. in the tory party. and he told me on the flight that we're a broad church now . that we're a broad church now. he wasn't referring to a david tennant mystery drama. when a bodyis tennant mystery drama. when a body is found on the beach in dorset, he was referring to the fact the tory party is wide open

for the kind of values that that farage holds true. he went on to talk about we are now a party of tax cutters because what's happening is you're seeing the party reform, party party reform, the reform party richard tice this is, of course, a presenter of gb news. he runs reform farage himself is the lifetime president . they are lifetime president. they are getting more and more support because of the tory party is seen to be centrist to centres. for many voters and supporters. now he knows by tacking towards the right, maybe inviting farage back to join his party whether farage will do it, we don't know. he's in the jungle. it might be career suicide, but at least it would show voters that the party is keen on this kind of wing agenda, not least of right wing agenda, not least stopping boats controlling stopping small boats controlling immigration and immigration and the like. and that's think he was saying that's why i think he was saying that. broadchurch line is that. so the broadchurch line is one before when one he's used before when i asked him the question in asked him the same question in october, interesting october, what's very interesting about andrew, about it? bev and andrew, is he's still the same he's still saying the same thing. he recognises that need to appeal kind of to appeal to that kind of supporter actually somebody supporter and actually somebody in jungle asked nigel in the jungle asked nigel farage if the

if he would join the conservatives and he said never say never. >> was his phrase in the jungle last week. >> we've got in that in >> well, we've got in that in the with mark francois, the panel with mark francois, tory mp and of course, sarah vine from the mail. vine from the daily mail. >> ask you first all, >> let's ask you first of all, would like use nigel would you like to use nigel farage one of your farage as one of your colleagues? well, look, nigel is a rock star british politics. colleagues? well, look, nigel is a rclike tar british politics. colleagues? well, look, nigel is a rclike it' british politics. colleagues? well, look, nigel is a rclike it or british politics. colleagues? well, look, nigel is a rclike it or not.ish politics. colleagues? well, look, nigel is a rcand it or not.ish politics. colleagues? well, look, nigel is a rcand i: or not.ish politics. colleagues? well, look, nigel is a rcand i wrotet.ish politics. colleagues? well, look, nigel is a rcand i wrote in sh politics. colleagues? well, look, nigel is a rcand i wrote in sh plittle;. colleagues? well, look, nigel is a rcand i wrote in sh plittle book >> and i wrote in my little book spartan victory about brexit, that if he'd never born, that if he'd never been born, we'd still be in the eu. i believe that sometimes it feels like i mean, like we still are. i mean, i believe if he hadn't been born, we'd still be in. but, you know, so i'm not averse to joining so i'm not averse to him joining the party. but he can't the tory party. but he can't have it both ways. he can't , on have it both ways. he can't, on the hand, campaign for the one hand, campaign for reform, keep attacking the tory party and at the other on the other hand, say quite like to join it. so in the run up to the general election, i think nigel has a decision to make right? >> sarah vine well, i think, i think nigel is not a team player i >>i -- >> i think um mm m >> i think he's, i think he's a disrupter. i think he's very good at what he does and he's a

very much a single issue person. i think he would find it very difficult trying to toe any sort of party line, and i think the tories would find it very difficult trying to get him to toe any party line. i mean, toe any party line. so i mean, i think it's really just a bit of showbiz, but i mean and you know, as you know, because you're right of the you're on the right of the party, it's difficult in party, it's very difficult in the current circumstances get the current circumstances to get any of more right any of the sort of more right wing policies even on the table. and i think farage would find and so i think farage would find it frustrating and it very frustrating and the conservatives said, sarah, conservatives have said, sarah, haven't they, that a vote for nigel reform ? nigel and or reform? >> well, it will. >> well, it will. >> as it was, it will split the tory yes. because if tory vote. yes. because if people because i think the tory vote to face vote is already going to face problems it's going to problems because it's going to be split between lib who be split between lib dems who will the people who are will be the people who are the more centrist tories can't more centrist tories who can't bnng more centrist tories who can't bring to vote. labour bring themselves to vote. labour who annoyed the who are really annoyed with the tories because just don't tories because they just don't see of the things see them doing any of the things they be and reform they should be doing and reform on more right sort of on the more right wing sort of red the people who are red wall, the people who are very concerned about things like immigration, feel the immigration, they will feel the tories down. tories have let us down. therefore to vote tories have let us down. thethem. to vote

tories have let us down. thethem. so to vote tories have let us down. thethem. so i to vote tories have let us down. thethem. so i think to vote tories have let us down. thethem. so i think the vote tories have let us down. thethem. so i think the tories for them. so i think the tories have got a huge, huge problem. >> have they a problem if >> have they got a problem if rishi doesn't block this rishi sunak doesn't block this rise in licence fee, rise in the licence fee, the rise in the licence fee, the rise licence fee is i rise in the licence fee is i think it's the whole bbc thing is complete a complete is a complete it's a complete case mismanagement on behalf case of mismanagement on behalf of the bbc, i remember of the bbc, the bbc, i remember meeting with the then dg of the bbc about 11 years ago and bbc about 10 or 11 years ago and saying was digital saying there was a digital revolution coming. saying there was a digital rev> you have to stop thinking of the is fee as something >> you have to stop thinking of the is attachedas something >> you have to stop thinking of the is attached to something >> you have to stop thinking of the is attached to amething >> you have to stop thinking of the is attached to a television that is attached to a television and realise that it needs to be attached to a login. and so if all the people who were logging in phones and listening all the people who were logging in bbc phones and listening all the people who were logging in bbc sounds nes and listening all the people who were logging in bbc sounds nes watching|ing to bbc sounds and watching iplayer if they all iplayer and stuff, if they all had to put in a licence fee and you know, a number, an id, and then to prove that they'd paid then to prove that they'd paid the wouldn't need get the bbc wouldn't need to get this rise because they would this pay rise because they would be fund properly . and be able to fund it properly. and what done is because what they've done is because they've modernise, they've refused to modernise, they've refused to listen to anybody, they anybody, just assuming that they can on as they are. and can carry on as they are. and now they're in a situation where they have enough they don't have enough money. i'm little with you, bev. i'm a little bit with you, bev. i'm a little bit with you, bev. i in italy, which is i grew up in italy, which is which run by commercial which was run by commercial television. grew television. i grew up with silvio berlusconi's what

silvio berlusconi's idea of what to television, which to watch on television, which was housewives taking was basically housewives taking their tops and wobbling their tops off and wobbling their tops off and wobbling their their breasts their jiggling their breasts around, coming this week, gb news. understand i think news. i understand that. i think the bbc is a huge cultural you know, it's a patrimonium. we have totemic, isn't it? it really is. people who grew up with it. if you didn't grow up with it. if you didn't grow up with it, you don't realise quite how precious it is and how brilliant some of the things that it does are. you know, you don't those historical don't get those historical programmes, the programmes, you don't get the dramas, get the depth dramas, you don't get the depth of all of those things. the bbc does brilliantly would does so brilliantly and it would be stupid of us to shoot be really stupid of us to shoot ourselves in foot and get ourselves in the foot and get rid all that, but i wouldn't rid of all that, but i wouldn't argue for that. >> i'd you could >> i'd say so you could rationalise you don't need rationalise it. you don't need bbc six, probably don't need bbc six, you probably don't need bbc six, you probably don't need bbc three, do you? >> i think the thing >> but, but i think the thing about the bbc that it is an about the bbc is that it is an ecosystem and a of those ecosystem and a lot of those things like three and things like bbc three feel and bbc if you see bbc two, bbc one, if you see a lot of the really good shows that come onto our television mainstream, you know, you'll find in find that they wrote them in them. all started on the them. they all started on the little fringes. so it's it's little fringes. so it's not it's not as simple as that. i'm

really to pay licence really happy to pay my licence fee, but think that it needs fee, but i think that it needs to be extended to everybody watching. it needs to be extended mobile devices. watching. it needs to be exte thej mobile devices. watching. it needs to be exte the other mobile devices. watching. it needs to be exte the other thing)ile devices. watching. it needs to be exte the other thing thatievices. watching. it needs to be exte the other thing that the :es. watching. it needs to be exte the other thing that the bbc and the other thing that the bbc could which it hasn't done, could do, which it hasn't done, is its act together, is if it got its act together, it could get people abroad watching it. so my parents, for example, live in italy, example, who live in italy, can't the bbc can't watch the bbc because they're blocked logging can't watch the bbc because theyit. blocked logging can't watch the bbc because theyit. crazy.ed logging can't watch the bbc because theyit. crazy.ed therejging can't watch the bbc because theyit. crazy.ed there should into it. crazy. and there should be logs. you be international logs. i bet you would a global would have a whole global audience there who would be audience out there who would be delighted watch. delighted to be able to watch. >> well, have we have the bbc >> well, we have we have the bbc world service, we have bbc world news. >> look, the licence fee is a poll tax. yeah. which is paid by people including pensioners. regardless whether watch regardless of whether you watch the in the bbc or not. right. and in a day in an age of pay as you go, it's becoming somewhat anachronistic. understand anachronistic. i understand about the role of the bbc historically, as cultural historically, as a cultural institution, have some institution, i have some sympathy with that. i mean, as a as brexiteer, i have a long as a brexiteer, i have a long term relationship with the bbc. but romantic is not the word but but romantic is not the word that i would to use. but that i would choose to use. but but here's the problem. um, you know, tim davie is director know, tim davie is the director general he doesn't general of the bbc. he doesn't run the organisation . his writ

run the organisation. his writ doesn't run . he was faced down doesn't run. he was faced down by gary lineker. he was. and he backed off and it used to be that bbc st giles' talent, as they say, had to remain politically neutral. the talent refused to play and the director general surrendered. so let's be honest about the organisation that we're dealing with and let's drop the fantasy that it's politically neutral because no grown centred and adult in this country believes that anymore . country believes that anymore. and on the licence fee, sorry , and on the licence fee, sorry, cpi inflation. now what, 4.8? yeah cost of living crisis . it's yeah cost of living crisis. it's completely inappropriate that the bbc against that backdrop, ukip asks for an increase of 9% just because they made a couple of good drama documentaries down the years they should cut their cloth like everyone else . cloth like everyone else. >> but. but how? how though, mark? this is a thing. where do they make? >> well, part of the problem is, is the management aren't in charge the organisation for charge of the organisation for the reason i've given. charge of the organisation for the what n i've given. charge of the organisation for the what do ve given. charge of the organisation for the what do you given. charge of the organisation for the what do you mean? n. >> what do you mean? >> what do you mean? >> well got a kind of

>> well you've got a kind of marzipan in the bbc who's marzipan layer in the bbc who's views are, shall i put it. views are, how shall i put it. very liberal. they control most of programming. control of the programming. they control most of the editorial. you know, within the bbc and organisation that still can't bring itself to call hamas terrorists . so, you call hamas terrorists. so, you know, if these people want more of our money, just like any other department of government, they need to prove that they can spend it properly . and you've spend it properly. and you've got an organisation whose management aren't actually in charge. >> we've got to talk to you while we're here because time is always a precious rwanda. another £15 million is going to rwanda. they've already had £140 million mark. now i was under the impression that the government was bringing forward the bill the legislation , the bill or the legislation, whatever was supposed to be whatever they was supposed to be brought no sign brought out last month. no sign of it yet. the unease on the tory benches is growing . tory tory benches is growing. tory mps tory benches is growing. tory mp5 i tory benches is growing. tory mps i talked to say if we don't sort this we're going to lose the election and deserve to. what's happening? >> well, let me give you some feedback from the front line. i

tend to go out canvassing in my constituency twice a month. yeah, i was out cold on yeah, i was out in the cold on saturday morning and i got some pretty direct feedback on this. you know, in essex. patois. yeah. from my constituents. the boats and immigration came up again and again and again. we had a bit on the cost of living crisis. we had a bit on the nhs, but that was by far and away the market leader . these people want market leader. these people want the boats stopped and if it's complex because of the echr john, they expect us as legislators to work through that to come up with a solution , to come up with a solution, right. and rishi promised to stop the boats . but as lee stop the boats. but as lee anderson very bluntly pointed out, a few weeks ago, well, he hasn't, has he? so we've probably got one more chance. and what we need in order to make this work is what's called a notwithstanding clause . what a notwithstanding clause. what that means is you say, notwithstanding the echr in in

this one scenario in the cross—channel scenario, the echr will not apply. so you're not withdrawing from the whole echr you're just saying in this particular set of circumstances, the strasbourg's courts writ will not run. >> we've done that last time. >> we've done that last time. >> well, we've had two goes at this before. we had the nationality and borders act. many people wanted a notwithstanding clause in that we didn't do it. we had the illegal immigration act. many people wanted it in that, including suella braverman, the then home secretary. indeed she lost an argument with rishi on that. three strikes and that. now it's three strikes and you're andrew if we don't you're out. andrew if we don't make this legislation work , the make this legislation work, the pubuc make this legislation work, the public will stop listening to . public will stop listening to. >> before i bring sir, and i want to ask you a very important thing i noticed today or was it yesterday the new conservative home league what what home league table of what what tory members think tory voters, tory members think of cabinet ministers? yes, it's a prime a popularity. yes. prime minister has plunged to last place . that's amongst tory place. that's amongst tory faithful is at the top of it .

faithful is at the top of it. kemi badenoch. >> yeah. penny just a close second. so yeah. so this is a poll by con home, which is the sort of tory party fanzine website party tonight, right. >> affair if rishi turns up well , i'm going to be there. >> i too. will so where are you on i think that was me. i'm on it? i think that was me. i'm not in the cabinet. it's a poll of cabinet members. yeah. so so the prime minister's at the bottom. i interpret that as frustration about tory party members, about the lack of, you know, enough punchy retail policies , particularly including policies, particularly including the fact we still haven't got clear legislation on stopping the boats. i think if we did have, i'm sure the prime minister would be further up the list. >> so what do you think? >> so what do you think? >> i don't understand why he didn't put kemi badenoch in as foreign secretary. yeah, absolutely. didn't absolutely. that's what i didn't understand. because she's a brilliant woman. yeah, very clever. very direct, very straight. you know, just absolutely what you absolutely what, what what you see you get. and i think see is what you get. and i think she would have i think she she would have been i think she would have been very strong,

strong in that position. i think i think the rwanda a is i think the rwanda thing is a is a you know, if they a nightmare. you know, if they push on, it's going to be a nightmare. if they don't, it's going nightmare, going to be a nightmare, i think, far we've come think, given how far we've come and how much money they've spent on i think they just on it, i think they should just crack that's what i think. crack on. that's what i think. >> you think they're going to >> do you think they're going to do think there's any chance? do you think there's any chance? because more of do you think there's any chance? becview, more of do you think there's any chance? becview, there'll more of do you think there's any chance? becview, there'll be more of do you think there's any chance? becview, there'll be a more of do you think there's any chance? becview, there'll be a general; of the view, there'll be a general election may. because election in may. may because they can't have all boats they can't have all these boats pounng they can't have all these boats pouring channel pouring across the channel in the summer. do you think there's any could have a any chance we could have had a single flight rwanda by may? single flight to rwanda by may? well if they really put their, you their shoulders to well if they really put their, y0|yes, their shoulders to well if they really put their, y0|yes, i their shoulders to well if they really put their, y0|yes, i think their shoulders to well if they really put their, y0|yes, i think they shoulders to well if they really put their, y0|yes, i think they could ders to it, yes, i think they could probably do that. >> well, prime minister kind >> well, the prime minister kind of farm on this, you of bet the farm on this, you know, stop the boats is unambiguous. it's unambiguous. yes. yeah, it's binary, yeah. binary, isn't it? yeah. >> but let's. >> but let's. >> sorry, sorry. mark, carry on. >> sorry, sorry. mark, carry on. >> well, some people did >> well, i mean, some people did advise number 10 the time. advise number 10 at the time. don't that unless you. don't say that unless you. absolutely. bottomed . absolutely. copper bottomed. sure, you can deliver it. so so we now have to deliver this. the prime minister keeps repeating it. he keeps doubling down on it

. so if you will, the ends, you must will the means and that means some of my colleagues, including in the cabinet, who think the echr is holy writ, it have got to realise we've been 20 points behind now for many, many months, but three points. well, yeah, but on an average of 2023. the other day in yougov , 2023. the other day in yougov, unless we do something muscular about this, the risk is a lot of the electorate just bring down the electorate just bring down the shutters and stop listening. >> but it isn't just the echr is it? >> it's u n it? >> it's un issues as well. and also, you know, the supreme court has just said recently that we can't send people to rwanda because they can't guarantee this process of non—refoulement would occur in rwanda. that somebody who is rwanda. so that somebody who is sent their country of sent back to their country of origin prosecuted or origin may be prosecuted or persecuted in country. i'm persecuted in that country. i'm not why this £50 million is not sure why this £50 million is going to help that. do you know what that's going to be spent going to help that. do you know whawhich; going to be spent going to help that. do you know whawhich means to be spent going to help that. do you know whawhich means that; spent going to help that. do you know whawhich means that the ant going to help that. do you know whawhich means that the rwanda on? which means that the rwanda will trustworthy in that regard? >> well, i think as i understand it, it's in the context it, it's in the contract context of rwanda that we of a treaty with rwanda that we would sign that party would seek to address specifically the

concerns of the supreme court. so i think that 15 million is in the context of that treaty. but the context of that treaty. but the key point is , if you look at the key point is, if you look at what we did on prisoner voting, we just said to the strasbourg court a few years ago, thank you very much this is none of your business. quite right. cameron said that parliament were absolutely with him in the absolutely with him and in the end backed end, the supreme court backed down. need to withdraw down. we don't need to withdraw from whole convention, from the whole convention, although i could although personally i could live with but we do need with that. but what we do need to is to say to the to do is to say to the strasbourg this is none of strasbourg court this is none of your business, hang on, and we need legislation that need legislation to make that place. need legislation to make that pla sir. last word on it. >> sir. van, last word on it. >>— >> sir. van, last word on it. >> no, i just think the >> no, just i just think the tories are in a really, really difficult situation. and if i were them, i would do something really radical because they've got they're got nothing to lose. they're going to lose. mean beyond rwanda. i mean, just either we push with this . i think push on hard with this. i think they really, really they need some really, really bold policies are going to bold policies that are going to restore people's faith in their ability to. >> you both go, i want >> before you both go, i want a word from you on keir starmer endorsing margaret thatcher over the was he

doing? >> well, i think he's trying to appeal to a certain, you know, section of the electorate who might not normally vote labour. >> it's straight out of the blair playbook. yeah, it is. it is. did exactly this. we is. blair did exactly this. we know starmer sees blair know that starmer sees blair regularly. we know that blair is whispering his ear all whispering in his ear all the time. yeah. this is straight out of the tony blair manual. you reach out to traditional tory voters, any one you know, keir starmer ain't no margaret thatcher quite right. and anyone who thinks they are has never met the bloke thinks he is has never met the man. yeah quite completely agree. >> okay. >> okay. >> thank you both. >> thank you both. >> yeah. she stuck to her guns. of course, mrs. thatcher, unlike keir what i mean. keir starmer, i say what i mean. >> and i mean what i say. let us know thoughts morning. know your thoughts this morning. >> and in just a moment, we're going talking to an going to be talking to an international rights international human rights lawyer why thinks lawyer to tell us why he thinks this extra money might see planes this is planes taking off. this is britain's newsroom news. planes taking off. this is britan's newsroom news. planes taking off. this is brita brighter.room news. planes taking off. this is brita brighter outlook news. planes taking off. this is brita brighter outlook with news. planes taking off. this is brita brighter outlook with boxt >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar weather on . gb

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newsroom. bev turner. >> thank you. this is the latest from the newsroom. british lawyers could be sent to rwanda to advise judges on asylum cases as part of the government's plan to secure an immigration treaty. it's understood the home secretary is close to finalising the plan after the supreme court ruled against it in november. reports suggest the rwandan government could be paid around £15 million on top of the £140 million already committed to the scheme . the ministry of scheme. the ministry of defence's plan for new weapons has a budget black hole of £169 has a budget black hole of £16.9 billion. the national audit office said. the mod's ten year programme until 2033 was unaffordable and the projected deficit is the biggest since 2012. it puts the estimated cost at more than £300 billion against a budget of . just over against a budget of. just over 288 billion. the culture secretary says the government's concerned about suggestions the bbc's licence fee could go up

because of cost of living pressures. lucy frazer says she wanted it to rise by an appropriate amount, but a planned 9% rise to £15 would be a very high level. the licence fee is currently £159 per year, but it's set to rise to just over £173 in april. there are reports the prime minister could block the increase , though it's block the increase, though it's understood no decisions have yet been made . drivers are being been made. drivers are being warned of roads like ice rinks this morning after another night of sub zero temperatures. it follows a period of heavy snowfall in cumbria , where more snowfall in cumbria, where more than 1500 homes are still without power. and cumberland council says nearly 40 schools are closed today. a number of weather alerts for snow and ice remain in place across much of the north of england until noon with further warnings for snow covering the eastern side of scotland . almost £4 billion is scotland. almost £4 billion is being put in to improving rail links. in northern england, the government has pledged 3.9

billion to accelerate the transpennine route between manchester, huddersfield, leeds and york . manchester, huddersfield, leeds and york. it's already manchester, huddersfield, leeds and york . it's already invested and york. it's already invested 3 billion into the project, which is expected to deliver electrified tracks by the middle of the decade. the announcement comes after the planned hs2 route between birmingham and manchester was axed in november. israel's ordered people living in southern gaza to urgently flee as it widens its offensive. it says israeli forces killed two palestinians and detained two palestinians and detained two others during a raid in the occupied west bank. this morning. the military's vowed to hit the south with no less strength than it targeted the north. but palestine and civilians say they've run out of places to go. robert fox, the defence editor at the evening standard, told gb news that more and more violence might not be the answer. >> i think they've reached what they say in military terms , it they say in military terms, it sounds a bit remote , but it's sounds a bit remote, but it's a very easy expression to explain the question for a moment what is a question for a moment when

you decide on a strategy, decide on a plan, decide on an aim, and then you go through points deciding your aim. 1.2 how you get your forces to get a point three the operation. then 0.4 is the proposition we put up in the first place. now out of date, do we have to adjust it? and i would claim the israelis have reached that in gaza and we're all beginning to reach that with ukraine. >> 11 people have been killed after a volcano erupted in indonesia . three survivors were indonesia. three survivors were found among 75in the area at the time the merapi volcano spewed ash as high as three kilometres into the sky. authorities raised the alert to the second highest level prohibited residents from going into the area . a small going into the area. a small eruption this morning has prompted the search to be suspended . merapi is one of the suspended. merapi is one of the most active volcanoes on sumatra island and its most deadly eruption was in april 1979, when 60 people died . and the uk's

60 people died. and the uk's only giant pandas are setting off for china after spending 12 years in scotland . edinburgh years in scotland. edinburgh zoo's star attraction , yang zoo's star attraction, yang guang and tian tian also known as sunshine and sweetie came to edinburgh zoo in 2011. it was hoped they'd breed while at the zoo , but they didn't produce zoo, but they didn't produce a cub . visitors were given a final cub. visitors were given a final chance to say farewell to them on thursday . this is gb news on thursday. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio, and on your smart speaker by saying, play gb news. now back to andrew and . bev >> good morning. it's 1007 bev >> good morning. it's1007 on britain's newsroom this morning . britain's newsroom this morning. victoria has been getting in touch and she said, i don't believe we should be forced to pay believe we should be forced to pay something that we don't pay for something that we don't use. bbc licence fee pay use. this is bbc licence fee pay ehhen use. this is bbc licence fee pay either. subscribe or start advertising. >> and janice is similar. scrap advertising. >> licence ice is similar. scrap advertising. >> licence fees similar. scrap advertising. >> licence fee. it'snilar. scrap

advertising. >> licence fee. it's totally crap the licence fee. it's totally unfair. why should you pay to watch live tv you never watch other live tv if you never watch other live tv if you never watch it? >> judy has said i think it's an awful of to pay for awful lot of money to pay for continuing . i never continuing repeats. i never watch the bbc and still pay watch the bbc and i still pay for subscriptions. it's the best watch the bbc and i still pay for syou:riptions. it's the best watch the bbc and i still pay for syou canions. it's the best watch the bbc and i still pay for syou can go.. it's the best watch the bbc and i still pay for syou can go. peoplea best watch the bbc and i still pay for syou can go. people who .t watch the bbc and i still pay for syou can go. people who watch way you can go. people who watch it should pay for it. >> whether nigel joins >> whether nigel farage joins the not, the tories the tories or not, the tories appears be losing support, appears to be losing support, elizabeth says. a lifelong elizabeth says. i'm a lifelong tory anymore. i'm tory voter. not anymore. i'm going reform. up going to vote reform. they're up to a 10 or 11 points in the polls. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> thank you, john. you got >> thank you, john. you have got in touch say my large family in touch to say my large family are all conservatives of a lifetime in the party lifetime and farage in the party is only way of getting our is their only way of getting our votes. we farage is in the votes. now we farage is in the cabinet. then the conservatives would time. well are you would win big time. well are you listening, prime minister? yeah, probably was probably not. that was interesting what you were saying. what do you mean, probably not? i'm sure he's got nothing better to do on a monday morning, andrew, than sit and watch us. but what you were saying richardson saying then about richardson popularity conservative popularity in the conservative home is popularity in the conservative hon bible is popularity in the conservative honbible of is popularity in the conservative honbible of tory is popularity in the conservative hon bible of tory voters is popularity in the conservative honbible of tory voters and is the bible of tory voters and tory party members and they do a monthly kemi badenoch soar monthly poll kemi badenoch soar

to the top. >> sarah making the point >> sarah vine making the point she'd have made a foreign secretary bringing she'd have made a foreign secretired bringing she'd have made a foreign secretired old bringing she'd have made a foreign secretired old retread bringing she'd have made a foreign secretired old retread david|g back tired old retread david cameron and prime minister cameron and the prime minister bottom unprecedented secretary. cameron and the prime minister bot i'd| unprecedented secretary. cameron and the prime minister bot i'd quite acedented secretary. cameron and the prime minister bot i'd quite like ented secretary. cameron and the prime minister bot i'd quite like to ed secretary. cameron and the prime minister bot i'd quite like to see '>ecretary. cameron and the prime minister bot i'd quite like to see kemiary. >> i'd quite like to see kemi badenoch secretary would badenoch as home secretary would have interesting. but have been interesting. yeah, but yeah. couldn't have yeah. but then he couldn't have brought back david cameron if he made secretary. made a foreign secretary. anyway, your emails coming made a foreign secretary. aanbviews@gbnews.uk ls coming made a foreign secretary. aanbviews@gbnews.uk ls con the in. vaiews@gbnews.uk com. the other big story this morning, the government is set to give rwanda around £15 rwanda around another £15 million immigration treaty. >> remember, we've already given £140 million of taxpayers money. >> the home secretary, james cleverly, will soon fly to kigali to seal the deal. so chris hope is our political editor and he can tell us more. chris >> that's right. that number is contested by the home office today. they say the £50 million today. they say the £50 million to sign this rwanda treaty is not requested nor being offered . not requested nor being offered. but there's no question more money is probably set aside. we know that 140 million is up until the start of this financial year. more money will probably have gone towards rwanda this year. the what's happening here is the government's got to reassure courts that if illegally arrived

, migrants go back to rwanda and have their their a right to stay processed there. they can't be sent back to the country. they were fleeing from. that would be against their human rights. and that's why this month there may be that we have uk lawyers in court in rwanda to that court in rwanda to make that happen. but it's a massive week. andrew this for the andrew and bev this week for the pm's the boats. pm's pledge to stop the boats. don't forget that's on his one of his main slogans this year. it hasn't happened. been it hasn't happened. he's been frustrated supreme court. frustrated by the supreme court. we probably going hear we are probably going to hear more the treaty. more from them on the treaty. first all, the treaty with first of all, the treaty with rwanda and secondly, a new law to disapply human rights from those being back to rwanda those being sent back to rwanda to lefty lawyers, to quote to stop lefty lawyers, to quote what the government says or some ministers have said, stopping migrants being taken back to rwanda if they arrive here to try and break this model. the whole idea is to try and break the business model stop the business model to stop migrants across that migrants coming across that dangerous the dangerous crossing across the south england and stop south coast of england and stop them here. that's the them coming here. that's the idea . we'll see lot more this idea. we'll see a lot more this week on this.

idea. we'll see a lot more this weeall n this. idea. we'll see a lot more this weeall right. that's chris >> all right. that's chris joining now is bob neill, joining us now is sir bob neill, who's chairman of the house of commons justice select committee. morning committee. sir bob, morning to you all very it's all very well. >> the prime minister is taking stuff into the house of commons. but how is it going to get it pass the supreme court? well, by making that we comply with making sure that we comply with the the supreme court's the law and the supreme court's judgement actually, i think was perfectly reasonable on the on the law and the facts. >> what the supreme court said was, in principle, yes, you can do this. they didn't find it was unlawful to process the asylum applications offshore. what they said was on the evidence. we've currently got, which actually dated back to september 21st at rwanda, wasn't a safe country . rwanda, wasn't a safe country. and they set out, i think about 5 or 6 specific areas that raise concern with them on that. now, i think what they're doing, what the government is working on at the government is working on at the moment, are specific ways of actually addressing precisely those deficiencies that the supreme court found. so we can say, yeah, people will be properly processed out there ,

properly processed out there, they will have due process, it will be safe. that's a sensible way forward in my mind. >> and your colleague mark francois us just francois was with us just a moment ago, bob, saying that moment ago, sir bob, saying that the government has to ensure they have, notwithstanding element to it, notwithstanding the european court on this specific issue, just as we did with prisoners votes exclude them from any deliberation on them from any deliberation on the issue of rwanda. would you support that or not in that form ? >> but 7- >> buti 7 >> but i think there is a way which we could make it work. there is a there's a rather more important difference, actually, andrew, that needs to be drawn. this is not, in fact, significantly like the prisoner voting case. prisoner voting voting case. the prisoner voting case a pretty small area case was a pretty small area where the uk didn't actually derogate from the european convention on human rights or from the judgement of the court. it simply simply said we are not going to enforce this because we put it to the house of commons and the house of commons rejected the idea of blanket prisoner voting. in fact , after

prisoner voting. in fact, after a little bit of toing and froing , there was a compromise and a deal was done and it went away. now this is a situation of a different magnitude, obviously, now this is a situation of a different stoppingde, obviously, now this is a situation of a different stopping de, bob it seems like rishi sunak has basically placed all his chips on the rwanda plan and indeedin chips on the rwanda plan and indeed in suella braverman , his indeed in suella braverman, his resignation letter , she said resignation letter, she said that there was no plan b, she

wasn't she didn't resign, did she? didn't she get the push in her goodbye letter? thanks for sacking me. letter? she basically said we don't have a plan b, you've got everything is staked on rwanda. do you still think that's the right way to go ? so keir starmer has been making a bit of noise about the fact that he would to fact that he would prefer to clamp down on the human trafficking gangs . trafficking gangs. >> i don't think there's one single silver bullet in this. actually. i think james cleverly got that right when he said you shouldn't think that rwanda. i think his phrase was all think his phrase was the be all and i think i'd say is and end all. i think i'd say is you've got to have more than one tool in the box deal with tool in the box to deal with this. what has been pretty this. so what has been pretty successful has been the deal that we did bilaterally with albania on returning. yes clever is working on more of those. i'd certainly encourage that. i certainly encourage that. i certainly think to me there is merit in working with our opposite numbers over the other side of the channel on the gangs, i think actually don't always agree with keir starmer, but there's sense to be pursued always agree with keir starmer, buthat re's sense to be pursued always agree with keir starmer, buthat .3's sense to be pursued always agree with keir starmer, buthat . is sense to be pursued always agree with keir starmer, buthat . i thinke to be pursued always agree with keir starmer,

buthat . i think the be pursued always agree with keir starmer, buthat . i think the otherrrsued always agree with keir starmer, buthat . i think the other thing in that. i think the other thing that not doing anything that we're not doing anything like of is speeding up like enough of is speeding up the processing of people. they get here because the system is being spun out. so what i'd suggest we do, and i've said this before, is we need to be getting more people in the home office investigations department looking this. let's use some looking at this. let's use some retired police officers, others looking at this. let's use some retireinvestigative:ers, others looking at this. let's use some retireinvestigative powers ers looking at this. let's use some retireinvestigative powers to; with investigative powers to beef up the home office capability. let's put some money into getting trained up part time immigration tribunal judges who can also then be protein seeing the cases. our committee, you know , went to the you know, went to the immigration appeal tribunal at hatton cross. one of the frustrations there the judges have was time and time again the case comes up and the home office aren't ready. they haven't got the files together. so let's crack that stuff . the so let's crack that stuff. the actual practical day to day procedural things as well . procedural things as well. >> well, can we ask you, sir bob, on the front page of the daily mail, the front page of the daily telegraph, the prime minister says the bbc must not raise the licence fee. biggest increase years. 9. taking

raise the licence fee. biggest in upase years. 9. taking raise the licence fee. biggest in up to years. 9. taking raise the licence fee. biggest in up to £173, years. 9. taking raise the licence fee. biggest in up to £173, 30.3ars. 9. taking raise the licence fee. biggest in up to £173, 30. he's 9. taking raise the licence fee. biggest in up to £173, 30. he's right> interesting, bob. there's all of this gossip whether of this gossip about whether nigel going to come nigel farage is going to come

out the jungle. don't know out of the jungle. i don't know whether you're watching. i'm a celebrity, but is he going to come of the jungle? come out of the jungle? >> was washing that >> i was washing my hair that night. night. night. that night. >> is going to come out >> but is he going to come out of the jungle and join the conservative party? stanley johnson studio last johnson in this very studio last week that he thought he week said that he thought he would before next election. would before the next election. >> well, stanley's a character. >> well, stanley's a character. >> wouldn't always to him >> i wouldn't always go to him for advice, so bless him. >> but he knows what's going on. he's got ear the ground, he's got his ear to the ground, though, he comes to the though, when he comes to the tory party for some time, sometimes not. >> i think. actually, stanley has on these has his own take on these things. farage stood things. nigel farage stood against in the by—election in against me in the by—election in 2006. was a vile opponent, 2006. he was a vile opponent, thoroughly unpleasant, and he was sorry pleasant in his deaungs was sorry pleasant in his dealings with previous conservative candidates who he stood against as well, asked my friend craig mckinley some of the nasty stuff nigel said. there i think we've got better people. we can get into conservative party than nigel farage. right. farage. all right. >> that's a bob neal, >> well, that's a bob neal, thanks your honesty. >> well, that's a bob neal, tha bob. your honesty. >> bob. >> bob. >> i love we have to make >> i love that we have to make the point that nigel is not here

to defend himself against those allegations to defend himself against those alleand ons to defend himself against those alleand bob, if you want to vote >> and bob, if you want to vote for him to stay in the jungle, there's a little app. >> i think he might not be. >> i think he might not be. >> don't forget, we'd like to know thoughts about the know your thoughts about the licence to know your thoughts about the lice|ae to know your thoughts about the lice|a little to know your thoughts about the lice|a little bit to know your thoughts about the lice|a little bit more? to know your thoughts about the lice|a little bit more? do to know your thoughts about the lice|a little bit more? do we) pay a little bit more? do we know? we're going to talk to david the human rights david haigh, the human rights lawyer about rwanda. david, what is now the home office is this, 15 now the home office are million, are disputing the 15 million, but more millions but it seems like more millions to go to rwanda. that going to go to rwanda. is that going to go to rwanda. is that going to the case for them to to make the case for them to take refugees watertight, in your take refugees watertight, in you no, i mean, good morning to >> no, i mean, good morning to you mean, first all, you both. i mean, first of all, why are spending more money why are we spending more money on something far hasn't on something that so far hasn't worked? would have thought worked? you would have thought if the plan in place if they'd put the plan in place properly in the first place that whatever being properly in the first place that whateve for being properly in the first place that whateve for would being properly in the first place that whateve for would havezing properly in the first place that whateve for would have been done charged for would have been done then. don't think, you then. but i don't think, you know, we look back, andrew, know, if we look back, andrew, it was about exactly ago. it was about exactly a year ago. i high court i think that the high court approved this plan, as it were. we're a year later. so even if the government this treaty the government puts this treaty in what the supreme in place, does what the supreme court said they're to court has said they're going to do if we look at how it do if we look at how long it took to go through took the last case to go through the unless the

the process, unless the government do shortcuts, government try and do shortcuts, even fine, as i've even if it's all fine, as i've said many times before, i still don't see anybody going there in this will that £15 million be >> what will that £15 million be spent on? david >> well, if we look if we if we look at what the supreme court has said, they said one of the things they said needed to be done, as your previous guest mentioned, who seems remarkably sensible said, sensible in everything he said, so government can't so why the government can't can't i'm not sure. can't hire him? i'm not sure. but one of the things that needed to be done is, is a treaty at the moment instead of a a treaty a memorandum. so a treaty between the countries would between the two countries would allow individual asylum allow the individual asylum seekers that in seekers to rely on that in court. and so the government have said that's one of the things to do as things they're going to do as well other things. but even well as other things. but even if they those things, let's if they do those things, let's assume that they back to assume that they then go back to the asylum seekers and say, we're going to deport you. then the new court process starts. i don't how that will happen don't see how that will happen in time left of this in the time left of this government . government. >> are you clear, andrew, on what that . no, i'm not. i'm what that. no, i'm not. i'm sorry, david. i don't mind

asking the stupid questions. i'm still not clear as to what we're paying still not clear as to what we're paying £15 million for paying our £15 million for because just if we think back to why this got rejected by the supreme court, they didn't have faith that the rwandan authorities would fulfil the non—refoulement process in other words, they might see somebody stood there asking to stay in rwanda and they would say no , rwanda and they would say no, you've got to go back to eritrea. now, when they go back to eritrea, they might get beaten up for being gay. let's use example. how will use that as an example. how will this £15 million change the mind of person in the court who's of the person in the court who's making their own judgement in the the supreme court here? >> yeah. so one of the things i mean, there may other things, mean, there may be other things, but one of the things to focus on said at the moment on that they said at the moment that the supreme court, there was a memorandum so there was basically the basically a memo between the uk government and the rwandan government and the rwandan government saying we will do x, y we will follow policies y and z, we will follow policies and won't do this and procedures. we won't do this right. court found right. the supreme court found that isn't safeguarding the that that isn't safeguarding the asylum seekers because if you're an asylum seeker and you do get sent back or you're about to and

there's a risk you can't rely on a memorandum between governments , you need treaty, a law that , you need a treaty, a law that you can say this is going to be breached. so what will happen is that there will a treaty, that there will be a treaty, which an international which is an international instrument between the which is an international instand ent between the which is an international instand rwanda between the which is an international instand rwanda , between the which is an international instand rwanda , effectively| the uk and rwanda, effectively probably similar probably saying somewhat similar to the memorandum said, but to what the memorandum said, but in treaty language , that would in treaty language, that would mean that if that was breached or likely breach the or likely to breach the individual asylum seeker can say can rely on that in a court process . that's one of the process. that's one of the things they're going to do. and there were other things that they of the they mentioned in terms of the actual the ground actual process on the ground that needed strengthening. but again, that again, why why wasn't that done in the first place? that's one of the things here. you know, we shouldn't be sending any more money, as far as i'm concerned. all these things should have been in any as been done and in any event, as i've even all of that i've said, even if all of that is done, looking at the time table, back to exactly table, look back to exactly a year ago when the high court said it's you can send said it's okay, you can send them a later, the supreme them a year later, the supreme court you can't. court saying, no, you can't. we're still here. >> all right . that's >> yeah. all right. that's david. hey, we've thank

>> yeah. all right. that's davi�*david. we've thank you, david. >> honestly , sometimes i wish >> honestly, sometimes i wish i'd been to law school to understand this stuff in a bit more detail, but just think more detail, but i just think we've to scrap it now, we've got to scrap it now, haven't we? haven't we just got to put a line through the to put a big line through the rwanda to put a big line through the rw¢they can't because the only >> they can't because the only hope got now of stopping hope he's got now of stopping the boats. >> still to come, oh, sir >> now, still to come, oh, sir keir starmer is trouble for keir starmer is in trouble for praising thatcher this weekend. >> he's quite the backlash. >> we're going to be talking to a adviser to margaret a former adviser to margaret thatcher to see if thinks thatcher to see if she thinks keir starmer, he thinks keir keir starmer, if he thinks keir starmer touch of the

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sunday mornings from 930 on. gb news 1025 with gb news with britain's britain's newsroom with andrew ayat nouri. >> where are we? >> where are we? >> we've got piers pottinger in the studio with former adviser to successive tory leaders, prime ministers former prime ministers and a former adviser to the bbc chairman michael grade . but we'd like to michael grade. but we'd like to ask you first, piers, about rwanda. so you heard mark francois talking about how we can effectively elbow the european court out this european court out of this little aspect of their deliberations. what do you make little aspect of their dethatations. what do you make little aspect of their dethat ?ions. what do you make little aspect of their dethat ? ins. what do you make little aspect of their dethat ? i thinkhat do you make little aspect of their dethat ? i think that's you make of that? i think that's nonsense. >> i mean, you can't say to to a a legislative body, we don't like that law, so we're going to opt out of that. but we'll we'll follow the rest. it won't work. and they'll find i mean, the fact is the government's in a complete mess over this. and they know it and they're desperately scrabbling around to find a way out of it. and they're also being blocked by

they're also being blocked by the whitehall blob of civil servants who are completely against this. servants who are completely against this . and people who against this. and people who think that we should open the floodgates and let all the immigrants in at and i'm afraid they're on a losing wicket here. they really are . and rishi sunak they really are. and rishi sunak had a golden opportunity to move away from rwanda when suella braverman when he sacked her and the supreme court turned us down, turned the government down. he had an opportunity then to say, okay, rwanda hasn't worked. we've got to kind of find somewhere else. now, there were rumours floating around at the weekend that pontins, who were closing two huge holiday camps as the reason they were closing them was they were going to be set up to prepare for immigrants coming in and using those holiday camps. i'm not sure whether there's any truth in that. it does sound plausible, i must say , because i plausible, i must say, because i think they've got to have another plan. the point is that rishi's own position is now so

attached to stop the boats that if he doesn't get this thing through and get it and he's got he's got opposition in the lords, don't forget our good friend , the archbishop of friend, the archbishop of canterbury, will do all he can to stop this . we've got the to stop this. we've got the left, of course, against this . left, of course, against this. we've got the civil servants against it . we've got the against it. we've got the courts. almost certainly trying to find a way to stop it. courts. almost certainly trying to find a way to stop it . and i to find a way to stop it. and i don't think he's going to succeed . and i think therefore, succeed. and i think therefore, he's got to have another plan and he should be looking at that very quickly . very quickly. >> is he going to succeed in stopping raising the stopping the bbc, raising the licence by 9? and i know you licence fee by 9? and i know you used to work my adviser, used to work for my adviser, michael former michael grey, who's a former chairman now chairman of the bbc. now a wonderful of ofcom. wonderful head of ofcom. >> yeah, i mean, michael grade was a wonderful chairman of the bbc. he was there now, bbc. i wish he was there now, quite frankly, as the quite frankly, because as the bbc's total mess and has lost bbc's a total mess and has lost an enormous amount of public support, particularly over its dreadful coverage of the gaza war, but also the point is it's

neither one thing nor the other. it's neither a public organisation or a commercial. it can't. it's sort of in between the two, which is why it doesn't work. and if it's a public service for example, if it's a pubuc service for example, if it's a public service channel, they don't need to pay presenters huge sums of money because they're not reliant on ratings . they're not reliant on ratings. i mean, there's actually no justification for paying someone like gary lineker , for goodness like gary lineker, for goodness sake, £1.6 million every year. i mean , why he's just fronting and mean, why he's just fronting and highlights of football. i mean, that's the most bizarre thing. i mean , the bbc's a total mess. mean, the bbc's a total mess. i don't think sunak actually under the way that i think chris hope said this earlier , i don't think said this earlier, i don't think the legislation as it stands allows the government to stop the increase, but it can advise and use all its influence , which and use all its influence, which is different to say you can't actually increase it by 9. personally, i think it will go

ahead. i don't see sunak stopping this. he's got too many issues . he's fighting on too issues. he's fighting on too many fronts . many fronts. >> what about keir starmer's astonishing interview in the sunday telegraph where he sort of borrowed mrs. thatcher and said that, you know, some of the things she did were good. and he was almost trying to say that if you vote for me, you'll get a change of prime minister. well, you knew her. you worked with her. i did. her. yeah, i did. >> and. and starmer's piece. i mean, loud when i mean, i laughed out loud when i read was absurd. i mean, read it. it was absurd. i mean, you know, he we all know starmer's got flip flops . starmer's got his flip flops. now he seems to want margaret thatcher's it's thatcher's handbag. i mean, it's ridic useless. he of course, it's all about again, the labour party have no policies or they're terrified of actually telling the voters what their real policies are , which of real policies are, which of course are old fashioned socialist spite, giving more powers to the trade unions , powers to the trade unions, attacking the countryside , attacking the countryside, penalising private schools , penalising private schools, doing all of these things and of

course they'll increase taxes even though they say they won't. i mean, but they're not committing to anything at the moment, but they don't want to put people off. so now he thinks, yes, i'll the thinks, oh yes, i'll get the right wing the conservatives right wing of the conservatives the thatcherites on board. of course, there's not a hope in hell of that happening. any true thatcherite wouldn't vote laboun thatcherite wouldn't vote labour, they said, and labour, whatever they said, and he risks alienating the traditional labour voter who will hate margaret thatcher. >> of course i mean, he's got a very split party as well. >> don't forget he's got a divided party because the extreme left hate thatcher and always have and they and he's also got the problem with the anti—semitism . i mean it's to anti—semitism. i mean it's to the voter at the next election. it's a pretty dire choice. and that's why our good friend nigel out there in the jungle is actually holding quite a few cards. political even though some people won't want to admit it. nigel farage could be the key to the next election.

>> well, you know that on this face sitting there, stanley johnson said last week, getting back, getting back before the election. game changer behind the red wall, particularly bob neil, who was speaking to earlier, tory mp nearly had a heart attack at the very idea of it, but he is a game changer. well, it's nice he is because if you look at the last two by elections, the majority by which won labour was the exact almost exact number of the people who voted reform who would normally you would have thought voted conservative. you would have thought voted conservative other thing is, you would have thought voted conservativeother thing is, it >> and the other thing is, it isn't the people who voted labour conservative labour who were conservative voters. a lot of the conservative voters didn't come out . yeah. and what the next out. yeah. and what the next election traditional proper concern gives every one of them needs to get out and vote. and of course , if farage was with of course, if farage was with the conservatives as i think they would be right. >> pierce, thank you so much. lots more still to come this morning, including the christmas market that has been told it can't open because it will be too busy. yep. you did hear that, right? in lincoln.

that, right? it's in lincoln. first, though, here is your very latest news tatiana sanchez latest news with tatiana sanchez i >> -- >> thank 5mm >> thank you very much and good morning. this is the latest from the newsroom. british lawyers could be sent to rwanda to advise judges on asylum cases as part of the government's plan to secure an immigration treaty. it's understood the home secretary is close to finalising the plan after the supreme court ruled against it in november. reports suggest the rwandan government could be paid around £15 million on top of the 140 million already committed to the scheme, though the home office disputes those numbers . the disputes those numbers. the culture secretary says the government's concerned about suggestions the bbc's licence fee could go up amid cost of living pressures. lucy fraser says she wanted it to rise by an appropriate amount, but a planned 9% rise to £15 would be a very high level. the licence fees currently £159 per year, but it's set to rise to just

over £173 in april. there are reports the prime minister could block the increase, though it's understood no decisions have been made . almost £4 billion is been made. almost £4 billion is being put in to improving rail links. in northern england. the government has pledged £3.9 billion to accelerate the transpennine route between manchester, huddersfield, leeds and york . manchester, huddersfield, leeds and york. it's already manchester, huddersfield, leeds and york . it's already invested and york. it's already invested £3 billion into the project, which is expected to deliver electrified tracks by the middle of the decade. the announcement comes after the planned hs2 route between birmingham and manchester was axed in october andifs manchester was axed in october and it's been a challenging morning for drivers in large parts of the country with snow andice parts of the country with snow and ice causing hazardous conditions , the rac says subzero conditions, the rac says subzero temperatures overnight left roads like ice rinks. it follows a period of heavy snowfall in cumbria , where more than 1500 cumbria, where more than 1500 homes are still without power . homes are still without power. and cumberland council says nearly 40 schools are closed today. a number of weather

alerts for more snow and ice remain in place across much of the north of england until noon with further warnings for snow covering the eastern side of scotland . you can get more on scotland. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gb news dot com . our website, gb news dot com. for stunning gold and silver coins, you'll always value. >> rosalind gold price proudly sponsors the gb news finance report . report. >> here's a quick snapshot of today's markets. the pound will buy you 1.26, six, $6 and ,1.1650. the price of gold £1,633.25 per ounce. and the ftse 100 is at 7498 points. >> rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report . report. >> still to come this morning is sir keir starmer for turning ,

sir keir starmer for turning, well, his article in one newspaper this weekend suggests , newspaper this weekend suggests, sir, when he praised the former prime minister margaret thatcher, labour mp steve thatcher, the labour mp steve mccabe joins us. >> i've never really thought that fan of that a particular fan of margaret thatcher, but we'll ask him

perspectives that i and people that i knew had dewbs& co weeknights from . six weeknights from. six >> good morning. it's 1039 weeknights from. six >> good morning. it's1039 with britain's newsroom on gb news with me, bev turner and andrew pierce. >> well, a lot of mps on the

labour party have attacked their boss after his praise of margaret thatcher. >> that's right. angry backbenchers that he backbenchers warned that he risked alienating traditional supporters and called his attempt tory voters attempt to woo tory voters a fantasy. well, steve mccabe is the labour mp for selly oak in birmingham and joins us now. >> steve, morning . >> steve, morning. >> steve, morning. >> morning, steve. >> morning, steve. >> which part of mrs. thatcher's policies did you most admire and warmly embrace as. >> oh andrew, you know i love them all. well, actually, i think what keir was saying, if i understood it correctly, he said there were three change makers , there were three change makers, important change makers in the last century, climb up the margaret thatcher and tony blair. and he admired mrs. thatcher's mission to achieve change. and you know, you'd be a very strange person if you couldn't acknowledge that. >> well, i mean, that's true , >> well, i mean, that's true, steve. he was saying that there have been prime ministers that have been prime ministers that have affected change, but surely he knew what he was doing by using the name of margaret

thatcher into appeal to some right wing voters who might feel a little bit politically lost at the moment and then suddenly think keir starmer is going to represent their interests. >> look , i think you have >> well, look, i think you have to remember that mrs. thatcher attracted a lot of labour voters when she first came to power , in when she first came to power, in particular at a time when the labour party had very much lost its way and people thought they no longer spoke for them and i think, quite frankly, we're in a situation at the moment where the conservative party has lost its way and where there are lots of people who voted conservative last time who may be considering a change. and keir is saying it's perfectly all right to do that. >> steve, you may not have read the editorial in the daily mirror today. that is your most pro labour party paper. it says keir starmer. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> andrew i'll rush to do so. >> andrew i'll rush to do so. >> right. well let me tell you what it says.

>> it says keir starmer is playing with fire. it says when he talks about mrs. thatcher thatcher's meaningful change of sense mission, they're sense of mission, they're talking about lost jobs, poverty, savage economics poverty, savage tory economics that our readers on the that threw our readers on the scrapheap of . scrapheap of. >> well , i scrapheap of. >> well, i mean, to be perfectly honest, there were lots of things that mrs. thatcher did that didn't meet with approval . that didn't meet with approval. and i'm not going to try and change tack and nor do i think would cure starmer on that. but there other things that there were other things that were important. someone had to recognise that it was time to restructure the british economy. someone had to recognise that aspiration was not a dirty word and someone had to drive some of the changes that were essential in britain at that time. i mean can you imagine something like bt had remained in public hands at that time ? at that time? >> you know, it took us six months to get a phone put in. i remember it. bevs. bevs to young well, but it's interesting because i think , steve, you're because i think, steve, you're doubung because i think, steve, you're

doubling down on what keir starmer was saying. >> i'm kind of surprised that to hear labour saying, look, we need but this is the thing we all agree we need some changes. there's no doubt about it. we need a lot to change. it feels it's most of the time that nothing works in this country at the moment. transport, the moment. nhs transport, education, it feels dire, but i think i want to hear from keir starmer he would do actual starmer what he would do actual policies rather than just evoking the spirit of margaret thatcher. and i don't think we're of do we're getting enough of that. do youwell , i mean, i think there >> well, i mean, i think there have been quite a lot of labour policies of late, i think. >> is it just today in the telegraph wes streeting is reading the telegraph seems to have developed a liking for laboun have developed a liking for labour. i think it's wes streeting is leading on his proposals for community health centres because of the problems that and so we we've heard that we've heard labour talking about energy . we we've heard labour energy. we we've heard labour talking about its skills

strategy, about its greening industry strategy . it's not that industry strategy. it's not that there's a shortage of policies. the issue is there is a limit to how many policies you can spell out in detail in advance of an election and when the economic situation is changing from day to day , we don't really know to day, we don't really know what mess will be left . what mess will be left. >> all right, steve, thank you. steve mccabe there. labour mp for selly oak in birmingham. we are joined in the studio by labour adviser matthew laser. good morning and emma woolf is with us as well. >> you have a great admirer of margaret thatcher, matthew well i know i can remember when i where i was when on the day of the downfall when was at school. >> look, i think what he was trying to do was make clear that, as steve said, that he wants to be a prime minister who's going to deliver significant generational who's going to deliver significawhich generational who's going to deliver significawhich frankly, |erational who's going to deliver significawhich frankly, i rational who's going to deliver significawhich frankly, i agreeal change, which frankly, i agree with post—war period, with him in the post—war period, the prime ministers who the three prime ministers who did atlee thatcher and did were atlee thatcher and blair. and think he's also blair. and i think he's also making appeal to

making a conscious appeal to former voters feel let former tory voters who feel let down by government on issues like security and like national security and immigration. so i think it's i think it's brave. i mean, he wasn't actually that he wasn't actually saying that he admires thatcher wasn't actually saying that he adnores thatcher wasn't actually saying that he adnor indeed thatcher wasn't actually saying that he adnor indeed most thatcher wasn't actually saying that he adnor indeed most of thatcher wasn't actually saying that he adnor indeed most of whatatcher wasn't actually saying that he adnor indeed most of what mrs.�* did or indeed most of what mrs. thatcher did. but even her biggest would say she biggest critics would say she did change things. >> but lot of but >> yeah, but a lot of but and they say for worst. they would say for the worst. >> well, yeah. >> well, yeah. >> on, your side. >> on on, on your side. >>— >> on on, on your side. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> did change a lot of >> and she did change a lot of things for the worse. and, you know, i mean, we saw with the death of glenys kinnock yesterday of my yesterday reminded me of my first for the first days campaigning for the labour in the era of the labour party in the era of the kinnock leadership, when mrs. thatcher still around. thatcher was was still around. and think it's, you know, and i think what it's, you know, no is going to that no one is going to say that there isn't lot that she did there isn't a lot that she did thatis there isn't a lot that she did that is wrong. but but she was transformative. whether transform ative. whether it's transformative a good or a bad way, he wants be as way, he wants to be as transformative as that. he's setting hard. ambition hard. >> here's the thing, emma wolf, let me bring you in. some people have the power to transform. and margaret her margaret thatcher with her character confidence and character and her confidence and her emma one of her charisma. emma was one of those really sorry, but those people i really sorry, but keir starmer doesn't have that

sort of weight to throw around and bev, beautiful about and bev, what's beautiful about this that you've got rishi this is that you've got rishi sunak tanking in the polls. >> i mean, today we hear that he's less popular than truss he's less popular than liz truss . and once keir starmer . and once again, keir starmer puts his foot right in the back of his mouth and puts it right down his throat. i mean, this article in the mirror, which is actually one of our stories, is just, the list, the just, you know, the list, the union bashing, the poll tax, mass privatisation, vindictive union bashing, the poll tax, mass pridestructionlindictive union bashing, the poll tax, mass pridestructionlin> look what he's done. >> look what he's done. >> and here's the thing as well. matthew, margaret thatcher's pitch the lady's not for

pitch was the lady's not for turning. that was one of her most famous speeches. she stuck to guns. can't say to her guns. i can't say that your stuck to guns. your bloke stuck to his guns. how many of those labour pledges in his leadership campaign? ten of them. has stuck by? let me of them. has he stuck by? let me tell you, because you're not going answer it straightly. going to answer it straightly. none. all been ripped up. >> well, look, i mean, i think that he made some mistakes in the leadership campaign by thinking 1010 things. thinking he had to 1010 things. but i wanted to remind everybody, which is have everybody, which is people have forgotten ed forgotten my old boss, ed miliband, the daily miliband, in 2011, in the daily mail said, i've been inspired by maggie , who became pm against maggie, who became pm against the odds , did him a lot of good, the odds, did him a lot of good, didn't it? he lost. he did. he didn't it? he lost. he did. he did lose. >> sadly, despite my respect. with >> sadly, despite my respect. witwhy do have to hark back >> why do you have to hark back 12 a decent leader , to 12 years to a decent leader, to a decent politician in the labour that's sad. labour party? that's really sad. >> look i think. i think >> no, no. look i think. i think what it means is that it's perfectly sensible labour perfectly sensible for labour leaders acknowledge leaders to acknowledge those who've big, political who've been big, big political figures time. and i hope figures in our time. and i hope that think the that in government i think the kia set out a very clear kia has now set out a very clear story and hope he is. gordon story and i hope he is. gordon brown, the starmer, not gordon

brown, the starmer, not gordon brown, invited mrs. t in for an afternoon with and the afternoon tea with sarah and the children i was talking to a children and i was talking to a labour she was going in. labour mp as she was going in. >> was appalled . he just >> he was so appalled. he just hung up the phone, him a lot hung up the phone, did him a lot of as well, it? of good as well, didn't it? because he lost. >> i think there's a difference between inviting him for a cup, cup, tea which cup, cup, cup of tea which i thought was over the top from gordon. but acknowledge saying gordon. but i acknowledge saying that a significant that she was a significant presence politics presence in our politics and that lessons to be that there were lessons to be learned all former prime learned from all former prime ministers particularly those who were impressive in terms of were most impressive in terms of winning elections, which are the ones out. ones he singled out. >> thatcher ones he singled out. >> was thatcher ones he singled out. >> was she thatcher ones he singled out. >> was she came thatcher ones he singled out. >> was she came with atcher ones he singled out. >> was she came with acher ones he singled out. >> was she came with a clear did was she came in with a clear ethos to have a smaller state, more free market, take away business regulation. we know we even now quite succinctly even know now quite succinctly what i still what she stood for. i still don't know which that don't know which side of that particular starmer particular issue keir starmer this delivering this morning he's delivering a speech about public spending. >> so he's being he's >> so he's being firm. he's showing in sense, his his iron showing in a sense, his his iron mettle by saying that, you know , mettle by saying that, you know, that labour can't turn the taps on. you've got wes streeting that labour can't turn the taps on. yo me got wes streeting that labour can't turn the taps on. yo in australia; streeting that labour can't turn the taps on. yo in australia admitting who's in australia admitting that nhs doesn't just need that the nhs doesn't just need more needs to change. that the nhs doesn't just need mor

so that there is a so i think that there is a steeliness there, but absolutely he's got think we he's still got i think we can have election a year, so have an election for a year, so he's got time. he's still got time. >> had three and a half >> he's had three and a half years and bev turner is telling you she hasn't a clue what he stands for and do you have a clue after three and a half years? >> no. and does feel as >> no. and it does feel as though we've been asking for policies for actual policies, for labour principles for three and years. and yes, i and a half years. and yes, i agree with wes streeting. agree with you on wes streeting. i've thought a i've always thought he's a shining i've always shining light. i've always thought a of thought that he talks a lot of sense on on the nhs specific policy. in “fl- “b- “b— policy. in it's for years about >> in fact, it's for years about reform. he's been leader for four years. reform. he's been leader for fou look,s. reform. he's been leader for fou look, i think actually we've >> look, i think actually we've got there's a lot of got i think there's a lot of policy out there, as steve said, like the green new deal, like gb news policies floating around. >> to borrow >> which are you going to borrow the latter half the £28 billion? the latter half of parliament. of the parliament. >> changed. again >> so that's changed. again because going to be because that was going to be every year. matthew now it's every year. matthew and now it's the half of the the latter half of the parliament. changes week. parliament. it changes by week. >> changes because >> well, it changes because there's no money left to spend. it spent all the money. what it spent all the money. but what it spent all the money. but what i key, and i think i think is key, and i think bev is right, what he needs is right, is that what he needs to do between now the

to do between now and the election his vision election is set out his vision in the sense of stands in the sense of what he stands for and the values that so you can it up, but then change can sum it up, but then change it it'll change it week >> it'll change it next week because largely because his values can largely because his values can largely be about the be summed up about the relationship the relationship between the individual and state individual and the state as it was thatcher was when margaret thatcher was. >> advice i've given >> and the advice i've given them is that they need to do more capture that them is that they need to do more of capture that them is that they need to do moreof big capture that them is that they need to do moreof big idea capture that them is that they need to do moreof big idea and:apture that them is that they need to do moreof big idea and sortrre that them is that they need to do moreof big idea and sort of that kind of big idea and sort of talk sort so we sense talk about sort of so we sense we discuss what stands we can discuss what he stands for discussing the for rather than discussing the detail of gb news stupid, left, right which doesn't detail of gb news stupid, left, right anythingvhich doesn't detail of gb news stupid, left, right anythingvhiiit.doesn't detail of gb news stupid, left, rigimatthewngvhiiit. doesn't detail of gb news stupid, left, rigimatthewngvh stick )esn't detail of gb news stupid, left, rigimatthewng vh stick to n't detail of gb news stupid, left, rigimatthewngvh stick to it. >> matthew and stick to it. >> matthew and stick to it. >> we should discussing >> what we should be discussing is what going to say in his is what he's going to say in his speech today. but because he dropped that huge clanger yesterday, about yesterday, we're talking about mrs. sure it was a >> i'm not sure it was a clanger. i do sometimes clanger. i do think sometimes the with is does the issue with him is he does a lot interviews and says lot of interviews and he says and he and he does a lot and he and he and he does a lot of what we used to call interventions, i.e. speeches or articles. you do to let articles. and you do need to let them one doesn't them breathe so that one doesn't overshadow other. overshadow the other. >> can we just please? >> can we just move on, please? talking about breathing and how many finding many people are finding it difficult we're all difficult because we're all getting woolf. so difficult because we're all gett is] woolf. so difficult because we're all gett is some woolf. so difficult because we're all gettis some research woolf. so difficult because we're all gettis some research bonolf. so difficult because we're all gettis some research by the. so this is some research by the tony blair okay that tony blair institute. okay that always nervous tony blair institute. okay that alwewonder nervous tony blair institute. okay that alwewonder what nervous tony blair institute. okay that alwewonder what he's nervous tony blair institute. okay that alwewonder what he's up nervous

tony blair institute. okay that alwewonder what he's up to. rvous and wonder what he's up to. but apparently weight apparently britain's weight problem costing £100 problem is costing us £100 billion problem is costing us £100 billthis is not new? because >> this is not new? because we're say to we're too scared to say to people, overweight. we people, you're overweight. we are. this culture are. we've become this culture of fearfulness. of absolute fearfulness. obesity is health crisis we of absolute fearfulness. obesity is facing. health crisis we of absolute fearfulness. obesity is facing. forget|lth crisis we of absolute fearfulness. obesity is facing. forget covid. is we of absolute fearfulness. obesity is faciris forget covid.is we of absolute fearfulness. obesity is faciris the get covid. is we of absolute fearfulness. obesity is faciris the absolute». is we of absolute fearfulness. obesity is faciris the absolute biggest obesity is the absolute biggest health crisis. it's also the most expensive thing that is bringing the nhs to its knees, not just obesity, but all the related conditions that we know . related conditions that we know. it's the second biggest cause of cancen it's the second biggest cause of cancer. it causes heart disease, diabetes , diabetes. it causes diabetes, diabetes. it causes immobility , it causes a huge immobility, it causes a huge raft of mental health conditions, depression, anxiety , conditions, depression, anxiety, loneliness, all of that stuff. and we and doctors have become too frightened of saying to people, they're people, i don't think they're allowed people, i don't think they're all(ived people, i don't think they're all(| think nhs guidance says you >> i think nhs guidance says you can't word fats and can't use the word fats and you know doing. can't use the word fats and you knoinstead, doing. can't use the word fats and you knoinstead, we're doing. can't use the word fats and you knoinstead, we're increasing the >> instead, we're increasing the size things. >> instead, we're increasing the size “other. >> instead, we're increasing the size “other day i was in >> the other day i was in hospital for a blood test and the size of wheelchairs, the size of doors, the size of lavatories , the if you go lavatories, the size. if you go to the size of the to a morgue, the size of the beds, the size of the fridges to put in, we're just put people in, we're just increasing the size. that's increasing the size. but that's not to people's we're not adjusting to people's we're normalising it, aren't we? >> that's not just because

>> but that's not just because we can't say, look , you're fat. we can't say, look, you're fat. matthew yeah, well , not that you matthew yeah, well, not that you are. >> just to be clear, we're very svelte. i would say one. >> absolutely. yes we can all be health secretaries. >> you know what? and there'll be people watching and going, well, for you well, it's all right for you lot. don't struggle with lot. you don't struggle with your lot. you don't struggle with youand of course, a lot of >> and of course, a lot of people do. >> so why anti—obesity >> so that's why anti—obesity campaigners that the campaigners would say that the government, the tory government has that they need measures that they need to be taken and henry dimbleby, who used food tsar, the used to be the food tsar, the scion the famous family of scion of the famous family of political interviewers , is he i political interviewers, is he i mean, he would be mean, he would he would be critical that the government hasn't ban on hasn't done the ban on advertising. they you know, advertising. what they you know, fatty it were, after fatty foods, as it were, after 9:00, that it hasn't sort of legislated across these whole areas and obesity, portion sizes , more packaging regulations, etcetera . so, i mean, you know , etcetera. so, i mean, you know, rishi is caught between a rock and a hard place. i mean, there's some sort of language around this morning that he needs do for food. what's needs to do for food. what's being smoking? being done for smoking? what is that going as, you know, being done for smoking? what is thayearng as, you know, being done for smoking? what is thayear old as, you know, being done for smoking? what is thayear old not as, you know, being done for smoking? what is thayear old not going)u know, being done for smoking? what is thayear old not going)u be iw,

being done for smoking? what is thayear old not going)u be able 60 year old not going to be able to buy cigarettes that he's just been a tory. aren't going to been a tory. mps aren't going to liketony blair with his ideas. >> tony blair with his ideas. >> tony blair with his ideas. >> being obesity, killing >> people being obesity, killing more it's more smokers, of course it's killing making very >> it's making them very, very depressed is it any depressed as well. is it any surprise we have an obese surprise that we have an obese population in an population when we live in an obesogenic society? everything food, snacks, you know, calories, calories. calories, calories, calories. some day was some woman the other day was saying, i don't have a snack for my child. i thought, we my child. and i thought, we don't children or don't even allow children or people to hungry between people to get hungry in between meals. say meals. you know, the french say it's a child to be it's fine for a child to be hungry. we don't need to be constantly another constantly giving them another smoothie, another snack, another rice you eat rice cake. yeah. no, you eat three meals a day. of course you can an in between, can have an apple in between, but we've we've become. but to do it's a do that, you agree that it's a summer, it's encapsulation of our where everything is our society where everything is about food. >> are they going to do that? >> are they going to do that? >> tories are going have to take tough decisions like banning bogof one free. bogof buy one, get one free. they can't that's not what they can't do. that's not what some have done. some supermarkets have done. involuntary some supermarkets have done. involtheiry some supermarkets have done. involthe campaigners say. andrew what the campaigners say. andrew if serious about it, if we're serious about it, you've decisions. you've got to take decisions. but then you say, you run but then as you say, you run up against libertarian instincts. but then as you say, you run up agai|mpsbertarian instincts. but then as you say, you run up agai|mps don'tian instincts. but then as you say, you run up agai|mps don'tian iit,incts. but then as you say, you run up agai|mps don'tian iit,inc it tory mps don't like it, so it doesn't happen. so but yeah, and tory mps don't like it, so it doesithe|appen. so but yeah, and tory mps don't like it, so it doesithe costen. so but yeah, and tory mps don't like it, so it doesithe cost of so but yeah, and tory mps don't like it, so it doesithe cost of obesity/eah, and tory mps don't like it, so it doesithe cost of obesity still and goes. >>

people goes. >> people off cheap >> woo people off cheap processed cooking healthy. >> so let people just eat themselves into an early grave because that's what happens. >> the it did occur >> that is the and it did occur to me, i can't can't lie to me, i can't i can't lie dunng to me, i can't i can't lie during when the during the pandemic when the government only during the pandemic when the governmtot only during the pandemic when the governmtot out only during the pandemic when the governmtot out for only during the pandemic when the governmtot out for a only during the pandemic when the governmtot out for a walk allowed to go out for a walk once a day, i did think, at what point are they going to say, you have to go for once have to go out for a walk once a day that's where we go day because that's where we go with why do you think? right. >> we've got to move on, guys. thank much. we'll be back thank you so much. we'll be back in while. up next, the in a little while. up next, the revised rwanda this the revised rwanda plan. is this the golden will finally golden bullet that will finally get do get those planes to take off? do you is? you think it is? >> no. this it all. this is >> no. this says it all. this is britain's newsroom gb news a brighter outlook box suella brighter outlook with box suella sponsors . gb news. sponsors of whether on. gb news. >> good morning. welcome to your latest weather update from gb news. i'm ellie glaisyer. it's another cold and frosty start this morning across parts of scotland and northern ireland with temperatures well below freezing many of us. but freezing for many of us. but further south, much wetter further south, a much wetter picture this morning. rainfall totals really starting to build up parts of england and up across parts of england and wales, some wales, perhaps causing some travel disruption morning. wales, perhaps causing some travethissruption morning. wales, perhaps causing some travethis rain ion morning. wales, perhaps causing some travethis rain likely morning. wales, perhaps causing some

travethis rain likely to norning. wales, perhaps causing some travethis rain likely to turning. wales, perhaps causing some travethis rain likely to turn to. and this rain likely to turn to snow across the hills of wales, the midlands northern the midlands and into northern parts well. the parts of england as well. the best of the sunshine today across northern ireland and parts scotland, still parts of scotland, but still feeling cold despite that sunshine with temperatures widely single sunshine with temperatures widely however single sunshine with temperatures widely however justgle sunshine with temperatures widely howeverjust as sunshine with temperatures widely howeverjust a little figures. howeverjust a little bit milder under all that cloud and rain the south and west, and rain in the south and west, that and continues to that cloud and rain continues to affect much of england and wales overnight tonight and into tomorrow continuing to tomorrow morning, continuing to turn snow across the high ground of pennines heavy of the pennines and some heavy rainfall particularly rainfall likely particularly across south—east later across the south—east later through morning. clear through tuesday morning. clear skies again across northern ireland and particularly across western scotland, where it will turn we could see —6 turn cold again. we could see —6 to across scotland. however to —8 across scotland. however just staying a little milder under cloud and rain in the under that cloud and rain in the south. tuesday starts another cloudy and damp day, particularly across england and wales. some snow showers continue across the pennines, but that hill, snow and rain slowly clears its way towards the south—east tuesday the south—east into tuesday afternoon, with some brighter spells developing west. spells developing from the west. the sunshine on the best of the sunshine on tuesday, definitely across northern ireland and scotland, but still feeling cold here

despite sunshine, with despite the sunshine, with temperatures in low. temperatures widely in the low. single however, just a single figures. however, just a little bit milder across the south little bit milder across the southat little bit milder across the sou that warm little bit milder across the southat warm feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> thank you, ellie. now, still to come, rishi sunak is set to block a new bbc licence fee hike as apparently is he right to do so? you're with britain's newsroom on gb

channel >> it's 11 am. on monday, the 4th of december. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner revised rwanda plan. >> the british government set >> the british government is set to sign a new with rwanda to sign a new treaty with rwanda to sign a new treaty with rwanda to finally get those planes off the ground , they think. but will the ground, they think. but will they ever take off? what do you think? and sunak takes on the bbc. >> the prime minister warns the bbc he'll block plans to increase the licence fee by around £15 next year. the biggest increase for 40 years. we'll have the latest . we'll have the latest. >> and thatcher backlash . labour >> and thatcher backlash. labour leader sir keir starmer has upset many people in his party for praising margaret thatcher for praising margaret thatcher for bringing meaningful change with his description during her time as prime minister and farage the tories. >> yes, you heard right. the prime minister suggested nigel farage would be welcome to rejoin the conservatives, insisting the party is a broad

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£15 million on top of the £140 million already committed to the scheme by the ministry of defence's plan for new weapons has a budget black hole of £169 has a budget black hole of £16.9 billion. the national audit office said. the mod's ten year defence programme until 2033 was unaffordable and the projected deficit is the biggest since 2012. it's put the estimated cost at more than £300 billion against a budget of just over 288 billion. the culture secretary says the government's concerned about suggestions the bbc's licence fee could go up because of cost of living pressures. lucy frazer says she wanted it to rise by an appropriate amount, but a planned 9% rise to £15 would be a very high level. the planned 9% rise to £15 would be a very high level . the licence a very high level. the licence fee is currently £159 per year, but is set to rise to just over £173 in april. there are reports the prime minister could block the prime minister could block the increase, though it's understood no decisions have yet been made . more than 30 flood

been made. more than 30 flood warnings have been issued as the risk of snow subsides . heavy risk of snow subsides. heavy rains expected across large parts of the uk. that follows a night of subzero temperatures and heavy snowfall in the north. more than 1500 homes are still without power . in cumbria, without power. in cumbria, nearly 40 schools are closed . nearly 40 schools are closed. the yellow alerts for rain are in place across southern england. south east wales and into the midlands until 6:00 tonight . almost £4 billion is tonight. almost £4 billion is being put in to improving rail links. in northern england, the government has pledged £3.9 billion to accelerate the transpennine route between manchester, huddersfield , leeds manchester, huddersfield, leeds and york. it's already invested £3 billion into the project, which is expected to deliver electrified tracks by the middle of the decade. the announcement comes after the planned hs2 route between birmingham and manchester was axed in october. a number of tory mps are calling

for a new body to help infected blood victims, with some backbenchers set to join forces with labour on payouts over the scandal. thousands of people contracted hiv and hepatitis c after being given contaminated blood products in the 1970s and 80s reports suggest that ministers are unlikely to shift their positions while the inquiry is ongoing. their positions while the inquiry is ongoing . however, inquiry is ongoing. however, shadow chancellor rachel reeves confirmed labour will support an amendment with a body created to pay amendment with a body created to pay out compensation . the bodies pay out compensation. the bodies of 11 climbers have been recovered after a volcano erupted in indonesia. the merapi volcano spewed ash almost two miles into the sky. authorities raised the alert to the second highest level, blocking residents from venturing too close. a further eruption early this morning forced the search to be suspended . merapi is one to be suspended. merapi is one of the most active volcanoes , of the most active volcanoes, volcanoes on the island of sumatra and the uk's only giant pandas are setting off for china

after spending 12 years in scotland and edinburgh zoo's star attraction, yang guang and tian tian also known as sunshine and sweetie came to edinburgh zoo in 2011. it was hoped they'd breed while at the zoo, but they didn't produce a cub . visitors didn't produce a cub. visitors were given a final chance to say farewell on thursday . this is gb farewell on thursday. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio, and on your smart speaker. by saying play gb news now back to andrew and . bev and.bev >> very good morning . thank you >> very good morning. thank you for joining us this morning. forjoining us this morning. 1106 more and more of you joining us every morning. >> we are we are on tv and on the radio. grateful for your stay and a lot you stay with us. and a lot of you getting touch, lot of you getting in touch, a lot of you very as thought you very exercised as i thought you would licence fee, the would be by the licence fee, the plan put it up 9. biggest plan to put it up by 9. biggest increase 40 years. we think increase for 40 years. we think probably the biggest increase ever up £173.30, by ever taking up to £173.30, by the way , 2.8 million people

the way, 2.8 million people refused to pay it every year and that is rising. bob says that number is rising. bob says it's if don't it's very simple. if you don't pay it's very simple. if you don't pay licence fee , all bbc pay your licence fee, all bbc programmes be programmes should be made unavailable at throw of a switch. no court cases fine . switch. no court cases fine. >> stephen says only reason >> stephen says the only reason this is about the bbc. this is about our obesity issue which on the of the times this the front page of the times this morning, the only reason responsible the only person responsible the only person responsible for being fat is the one looking back at you in the mirror. else. it is mirror. no one else. yeah, it is complicated. it's hard for a lot of people and thatcherite and of people and on thatcherite and keir starmer, mike says, have keir starmer, mike says, i have noidea keir starmer, mike says, i have no idea labour party no idea why any labour party member hate margaret member would hate margaret thatcher removed member would hate margaret that( power, removed member would hate margaret that(power, labour removed member would hate margaret that(power, labour was emoved member would hate margaret that(power, labour was enpower from power, labour was in power for two terms. >> that's ten years. actually. for two terms. >> thterms,1 years. actually. for two terms. >> thterms, yeah.;. actually. for two terms. >> thterms, yeah. andtually. for two terms. >> thterms, yeah. and talking three terms, yeah. and talking about keir starmer again, jeanette has said another shot in the foot for flip flop starmer . starmer. >> once in power, starmer will completely turn this comment about thatcher on its head and blame. interpretation blame. she will interpretation and actually on the licence fee issue as well . my mum messaged issue as well. my mum messaged the show, as know , she's a the show, as you know, she's a big mine , andrew, and

big fan of mine, andrew, and she's founded. she's going to say funny, but she's not. but actually she reminded us that until 2020 actually pensioners or over 75 had the licence fee. they did for free. you didn't have to pay for it if you're over 75. and then in 2020 it went back. so my mum was like, actually we've not been paying this for a while and suddenly we're going have pay £180 we're going have to pay £180 a yeah we're going have to pay £180 a year. lot budget year. that's a lot to budget for. >> just to remind you, it was scrapped, free licence scrapped, the free licence was scrapped. a deal george osborne did bbc. would did with the bbc. it would be scrapped in return for the bbc reforming its finances and shrinking spending. shrinking its spending. and guess didn't . so they guess what? it didn't. so they just scrapped the free licence fee for people over 75. so they've got all extra they've got all that extra money now. bbc and what are they now. the bbc and what are they doing with it? >> good point. let us know your thoughts this morning. vaiews@gbnews.com >> now we can't stop talking about the government about rwanda. the government is going more to going to give even more money to secure immigration treaty. secure an immigration treaty. the to £15 million, the talk is up to £15 million, although disputed the although that is disputed by the home office. >> a member london >> so a member of the london assembly bailey joins us now.

>> lord bailey, lord bailey , >> lord bailey, lord bailey, come on, let's not do we do we bow ? bow? >> not anymore. >> not anymore. >> okay. lord bailey put it this way. >> my mum refuses. okay. >> my mum refuses. okay. >> and what is your title ? >> and what is your title? >> and what is your title? >> what's your full title? sean? now my title is lord bailey of paddington . paddington. >> i was born in the old paddington hospital, the paddington hospital, round the corner? corner. >> what's your what are your thoughts on this rwanda issue? because it blown thoughts on this rwanda issue? bec by;e it blown thoughts on this rwanda issue? bec by;e supreme: blown thoughts on this rwanda issue? bec by;e supreme: b|we1 out by the supreme court. we weren't allowed to put asylum seekers on the aeroplanes because of this non—refoulement process. and now spending process. and now we're spending another £15 million. are you as another £15 million. are you as a fury as sean, that we're throwing more money at a problem that like it's going that looks like it's not going to be solution? to be the solution? >> here's real deal. >> so here's the real deal. rwanda is the wrong focus. if you at the number of people you look at the number of people on it's fraction the on boats, it's a fraction of the people legally. people who arrive here legally. so should be so what we really should be doing twofold. one, we should so what we really should be doilooking ofold. one, we should so what we really should be doilooking at»ld. one, we should so what we really should be doilooking at ourone, we should so what we really should be doilooking at our legalve should so what we really should be doilooking at our legal routesrld be looking at our legal routes and what do we do to change be looking at our legal routes and wiandio we do to change be looking at our legal routes and wiand secondly, 0 change be looking at our legal routes and wiand secondly, we 1ange be looking at our legal routes and wiand secondly, we should be them. and secondly, we should be using the already have using the laws we already have in deal with the boats. in place to deal with the boats. we have rules clause 51, we have rules around clause 51, which interpret which you could interpret differently there being overly interpreted. people argue. so differently there being overly inte|ofeted. people argue. so

differently there being overly inte|ofeted. pearez argue. so differently there being overly inte|ofeted. peare having so differently there being overly inte|ofeted. peare having their lots of people are having their claims successful . and actually claims successful. and actually clause would probably say clause 51 would probably say they shouldn't successful. they shouldn't be successful. the we already have the the point is we already have the mechanism that's used at rwanda will work. the courts will will not work. the courts will fight frustrate it from fight and frustrate it from their are their point of view. they are correct and i speak to many people in the laws who point out some of legal loopholes that some of the legal loopholes that rwanda fail on. rwanda will fail on. >> so why is rishi sunak so useless on this if it's actually a lot more simple? >> there's two things i'd say it isn't, rishi. it's the whole political firmament. let's remember everything that the government tried do. government has tried to do. somebody else is frustrated. we have people the government somebody else is frustrated. we hacourt.�*ple the government somebody else is frustrated. we hacourt.�*ple had e government somebody else is frustrated. we hacourt.�*ple had the>vernment somebody else is frustrated. we hacourt.�*ple had the labourent to court. we've had the labour party continually tell the government used us without government they used us without providing alternative . and providing an alternative. and the thing here, if you the important thing here, if you are voter, you're a swing are a voter, if you're a swing voter a general election, voter in a general election, look alternative . don't look for the alternative. don't just listen to rhetoric . just listen to the rhetoric. >> see any in if the >> do you see any in if the tories don't sort this, sean out, do you think they're going to pay a very heavy price at the next general election? because we're talking to francois we're talking to mark francois here. francoise he was here. francoise earlier he was campaigning constituency here. francoise earlier he was ca essex ning constituency here. francoise earlier he was ca essex at g constituency

here. francoise earlier he was ca essex at the constituency here. francoise earlier he was ca essex at the weekend. ituency here. francoise earlier he was ca essex at the weekend. itue said in essex at the weekend. he said it above the cost of it was way above the cost of living. issue was the small boats and the government's pathetic failure to get to grips with it. >> well, mark francois is signalling it's particular in particular areas of the country right now. the worry for the tories is very particular in some of their stronger areas. the south coast, etcetera. that could , could, could work against could, could, could work against them. but in other places, all of the major urban conurbations , of the major urban conurbations, london, manchester, birmingham, it's just not on the agenda. but the real thing where the tories will win or lose this argument is by forcing keir starmer to give detail the words legal routes. what does that mean? >> i know quite rightly. >> i know quite rightly. >> does that mean, you know, what he going do with what is he going to do with rwanda? what's going do rwanda? what's he going to do with we're giving with all the money we're giving to wherever to france? wherever the 15 million you know, million looks like? you know, you sit on 15 million. that's a lot that is chicken lot of money. that is chicken feed compared we're feed compared to what we're giving do we giving to france. what do we getting for that money? these are that any any are the questions that any any government that wants to win a general has to answer. general election has to answer. >> i agree with that. but do you

think there a sense it's think is there a sense that it's the are power and the government are in power and they've promising on they've kept promising on rwanda, thwarted by rwanda, they've been thwarted by the they could be the the courts and they could be the house where you're no house of lords where you're no doubt this doubt having a battle on this soon. that soon. is there a sense that people think it's not about laboun people think it's not about labour, it's about the tories because they've power labour, it's about the tories bec13 se they've power labour, it's about the tories bec13 years y've power labour, it's about the tories bec13 years and power labour, it's about the tories bec13 years and haven'tzr for 13 years and they haven't stopped boats ? stopped the boats? >> yes, of course they >> well, yes, of course they are, because especially if you're if you're you're neutral, if you're thinking way or thinking i could go one way or the you have to look at the other, you have to look at the other, you have to look at the record of the people in charge weighed up against charge and weighed up against what's a record charge and weighed up against waars a record charge and weighed up against waar easier a record charge and weighed up against waar easier to a record charge and weighed up against waar easier to measure, record charge and weighed up against waar easier to measure, far:ord is far easier to measure, far easier to. >> so do you that part of >> so do you think that part of this is that rishi this issue then, is that rishi sunakis this issue then, is that rishi sunak is not communicating sufficiently only sufficiently well? there's only so can this. as so much he can do on this. as you say , it's about the lawyers you say, it's about the lawyers on the other side who don't want these people to be sent home or sent to rwanda. and it's about labour blocking it. he doesn't seem to make much capital in terms of rhetoric around that issue. >> he absolutely should. he should point out what he can legally do, what he's tried to do. and importantly, who's do. and most importantly, who's frustrated him? like, for instance, you talk about here laboun

instance, you talk about here labour, the financial labour, talk about the financial situation in the countries in but nobody points out they backed every deal. the backed every every deal. the government made everything the government made everything the government did around lockdowns , government did around lockdowns, around amount of money spent, labour was pro that they wanted more. exactly so the idea that somehow tories have done somehow the tories have done a different spending deal to what somehow the tories have done a diffe would ending deal to what somehow the tories have done a diffe would haveg deal to what somehow the tories have done a diffe would have done l to what somehow the tories have done a diffe would have done iso what they would have done is ridiculous. i believe ridiculous. but i believe once an comes around , more an election comes around, more people will will immediately want to know where's keir starmer and the labour party? >> and they have voted against every single measure that the government bring government have tried to bring in stop this huge of in to stop this huge surge of illegal migration. everything and an and again and without an alternative . alternative. >> so what labour are good at traditionally opposition traditionally is opposition politics. they are massively the best in the world. but the problem of opposition politics is you can't run a country that way. people ask that way. and when people ask that very question, would very direct question, what would have done ? well, there's no have you done? well, there's no answer there. think what answer there. and i think what we're now the we're relying on now is the wisdom of the british electorate and have to say they and i'd have to say they generally pretty smart. >> your minister is deeply >> your prime minister is deeply unpopular this is the problem,

you know, repeated research and polls show that he is at the bottom of the list of popularity . dodi nigel farage is waiting in the wings, sean, to come in and save the conservative party. how do you feel about that ? how do you feel about that? >> look, i would say all things all things are possible, aren't they? would have they? i mean, who would have thought? lord cameron would be the at this point? >> he wanted him be. >> he wanted him to be. >> he wanted him to be. >> look, i'm a big fan, actually. >> but. but the point is, are you? >> why? >> why? >> i think used to work with him into politics. >> used work. used to >> he used to work. i used to work time. work with more time. >> he bring to that >> what does he bring to that role? >> masses and masses charm role? >> iexperience. masses charm role? >> iexperience. and ses charm role? >> iexperience. and when charm and experience. and when you're on international stage, those and experience. and when you're on things'national stage, those and experience. and when you're on things are onal stage, those and experience. and when you're on things are very stage, those and experience. and when you're on things are very important.e two things are very important. >> you mean there isn't any charm and experience in the current cabinet? >> you'd be hard pressed to find kemi she'd have been kemi badenoch she'd have been great good great at that job. he's a good friend mine. she is great. friend of mine. she is great. but you'd be hard pressed but again, you'd be hard pressed to find with cameron's but again, you'd be hard pressed to fi of with cameron's but again, you'd be hard pressed to fi of experience/ith cameron's but again, you'd be hard pressed to fi of experience/ith (charm. i's mix of experience and charm. very hard. >> about coming >> what about farage coming back to said. to the tory party rishi said. it's church. it's a broad church. >> are possible, but >> all things are possible, but i think rishi i don't think while rishi is around. a challenge around. but there's a challenge for farage have to for farage he would have to demonstrate a slightly broader appeal. most people watching

this now love love nigel. we all do. but the is he'd have do. but the point is he'd have to appeal beyond that. that that immediate group of people and i believe that's possible. but rishi is the prime minister now . rishi is the prime minister now. he is the man with his hands on the tiller and he has an opportunity to appeal to those people before farage evens back in the sarah vine, who here in the sarah vine, who was here earlier, nigel is not earlier, she said nigel is not a team . well, look, if team player. well, look, if nigel got to the point where his ability to team player an ability to team player was an issue, have won. issue, he'd already have won. but the is this come off but the issue is this come off the man, come off the hour. you'd have to step up and change your tactic. i am imagining nigel does nigel behaves the way he does because what's involved in because of what's involved in the running the minute you are running a party, sudden party, all of a sudden you realise my job here is to corral these cats. there's many cats wandering and that means a change in personal tactic. if you can't manage that tactic, you can't manage that tactic, you will not win that job. >> so i think he's got those skills because when you're talking about charisma and communication, nigel is i mean, he's brilliant, but if you ask

me is nigel got those skills, charisma, communication, i'll tell you. >> yes. all long. yeah. who >> yes. all day long. yeah. who would that he would would have thought that he would have led us out the european have led us out of the european union? when made union? they laughed when he made that are now. >> exactly. he's the most significant politician of the lastarguably, issue >> arguably, he is. the issue would need to would be he. he'd need to develop additional set of develop an additional set of skills he'd also skills very quickly. he'd also have to deal with a press that would ranged against would be largely ranged against him, have him, and he'd have to demonstrate who demonstrate to people who are not his that actually he not on his side that actually he is side. is on their side. now. >> fan of the house of >> he's no fan of the house of lords now i know you're lords because now i know you're probably the probably not glued to the jungle, but is what jungle, sean, but this is what he said. know it's true he said. and i know it's true because written in my because it's written in my column in the daily mail. he said in conversation with said that in conversation with somebody jungle last somebody in the jungle last night, pointed night, you get £300, i pointed out. 342 a day for out. in fact, it's 342 a day for turning up . i went to the lords turning up. i went to the lords two months ago. guy i served with in brussels in the european parliament. i think i know it, but i didn't name him. invited me what's it me to lunch. i said, what's it like here? he said, it's the best retirement in best retirement home in the country. paperwork country. i do a bit of paperwork signed for the money, go for lunch subsidised dining lunch in the subsidised dining room. he goes house lords room. he goes house of lords at 2:30 the opening

2:30 pm. for the opening debates. clear debates. then it's clear off home very nice work you can home very nice work if you can get mean, is that what it get it. i mean, is that what it is do you like that for is for you? do you like that for you? because i'm there much later than that. >> the deal is this if you remove the house of lords, you remove the house of lords, you remove greatest remove one of the greatest scrutiny bodies in the world and one best refining bodies one of the best refining bodies in government in the world. so the government come manner of laws. come up with all manner of laws. we the people who go through we are the people who go through those sure that those laws and make sure that actually pro actually work. if you're pro rwanda rwanda, will rwanda or anti rwanda, we will make making sure it's make it work by making sure it's legal. that's the thing. legal. that's the first thing. the is as well, we the second thing is as well, we have this country have stopped this country traditionally making huge mistakes because slow down mistakes because we slow down the debate and through it the debate and go through it line by line in a way that they cannot do in the commons. they simply don't have the time. so the houses together the two houses together actually perform the perform a real function for the country, but it is the second largest legislative assembly in country, but it is the second largworld gislative assembly in country, but it is the second largworld afterive assembly in country, but it is the second largworld after theassembly in country, but it is the second largworld after the chinese' in the world after the chinese people's republic. the world after the chinese peowhyi republic. the world after the chinese peowhy is epublic. the world after the chinese peowhy is ridiculous why that is >> why is ridiculous why that is true. it is the senate of the in the united states is a revising chamber. 100 senators. there's over 800 members of the house of lords. >> i'll tell you why that isn't true. and you may have a problem

with the second half, but that's the debate to be had. not all of those and baronesses those barons and baronesses sit now there's big now, should they? there's a big argument. they should. but argument. maybe they should. but right now we are a smaller right just now we are a smaller number of people doing even more work than the mps do. let's be clear. mps a great deal clear. the mps do a great deal of work and they have a different remit in the world because of their constituents. but a small but we're actually quite a small number a of number of people doing a lot of things. your the guy things. so your, your the guy who nigel to who said he who nigel spoke to who said he spends the spends around good for him. the rest mountains of rest of us may mountains of mountains reading for instance. you know why i'm sat here today? because up so because this morning i was up so early through paperwork early going through my paperwork for lords and for the week. now some lords and baronesses busy, busy, busy bees. of clearly not so bees. some of us clearly not so much, but there's too many people there. >> sean there's i mean, there's so many people into so many people that go into politics because they're not that bothered about being a politician, but they just want to cushy peerage to have that nice cushy peerage at the end of the day. and like you say, in very well funded you say, in a very well funded retirement home, let's look let's it. let's look at it. >> let's look at it from the other side. so you're looking at a that huge amount of a body that has a huge amount of experience. i'd argue more experience. i'd argue more

experience single experience. i'd argue more experinice single experience. i'd argue more experin the single experience. i'd argue more experin the country. single experience. i'd argue more experin the country. �*gotle experience. i'd argue more experin the country. �*got x body in the country. we've got x ministers, charity ministers, we've got charity experts, people in experts, all manner of people in there so they're that there. so they're offering that expertise to the nation at what is, i would believe, a relatively low cost. now, if there's too many people in there that isn't for me to say or not. but i'd argue we need quite a few in there just to few people in there just to carry amount carry the workload, the amount of we've had , the of revisions that we've had, the amount amendments that we've amount of amendments that we've had a great workload and you had is a great workload and you need to through it and need people to go through it and the thing i say as well, the last thing i say as well, the last thing i say as well, the lords has a very, very proud tradition of bringing in as many people from this great nation into government into the heart of government and seeing actually seeing what it's actually like. again function mps are again a function that mps are too carry out. yeah. again a function that mps are too can carry out. yeah. again a function that mps are too can we carry out. yeah. again a function that mps are too can we askry out. yeah. again a function that mps are too can we ask yourt. yeah. again a function that mps are too can we ask you abouth. again a function that mps are too can we ask you about the bbc >> can we ask you about the bbc licence fee and whether you think should going up and think it should be going up and should rishi sunak step in to say biggest increase say no? it 9% biggest increase ever. eve r. >> ever. >> sum even >> sum it ?— e sum it up in one word. >> i'll sum it up in one word. that's indefensible. well said. indefensible if it was any other body asking for this money, somebody would pile in and say, we can't that . and we have to we can't do that. and we have to ask is the bbc ask ourselves, is the bbc licence morally correct? there's a strong argument. it isn't .

a strong argument. it isn't. >> do you think it's outdated? >> do you think it's outdated? >> i was about to say, is it relevant? know, you're relevant? you know, you're in a world where young people relevant? you know, you're in a worlcto where young people relevant? you know, you're in a worlcto pay/here young people relevant? you know, you're in a worlcto pay for'e young people relevant? you know, you're in a worlcto pay for all)ung people relevant? you know, you're in a worlcto pay for all manner)ple relevant? you know, you're in a worlcto pay for all manner ofe have to pay for all manner of subscription fees. would they pay subscription fees. would they pay arts? pay for the for bbc its arts? but the most important thing is i has lost a lot i think the bbc has lost a lot of support because it effectively against the effectively argues against the people most to people who are most likely to support is middle britain support it. it is middle britain . my mum, your mum who are . it is my mum, your mum who are most likely to support bbc. most likely to support the bbc. but the who are but they're the people who are pushed the edge because they pushed to the edge because they don't have right thought don't have the right thought processes people processes. if you ask the people of country today if they of this country today if they wanted to pay the bbc licence even reduced rate to get an even at a reduced rate to get an inflated rate, i think you'd get a resounding no. >> okay. fascinating well, enjoy the lords . absolutely the house of lords. absolutely bound you. can you just bound to see you. can you just go and kick rishi out and take his job? >> sean, i frontline politics is a contact sport. >> so would you ever go back to it? >> would you go back to frontline politics? >> yes, but right just now, i think my job and everybody's job, certainly in parties to support rishi get it right. support rishi to get it right. >> very good. well, >> you're very good. well, i think frontline politics needs you much as gb news

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minister is set to block a 9% increase in the bbc licence fee, we believe, warning that the corporation realistic corporation has to be realistic about the public can about what the public can afford. go up by about £15 afford. it'll go up by about £15 to £173. 13th april the biggest increase, we think ever, but certainly for 40 years. >> so joining us in the studio this morning is charlie rowley, former adviser to michael gove. and charlie shaun bailey has just called this in defence, able in a word, the idea that bbc would put the licence fee up. now, is he right? >> well, i think he is. i think look, the bbc is a public service broadcaster and so it has for the public. has to deliver for the public. and at a time where people are seeing on their seeing huge pressures on their cost of living bills in the run up to christmas , we're seeing an up to christmas, we're seeing an economy that's just starting to grow, but it's not quite there yet. there are small shoots of recovery taking place. but at a time where, as i say, there's a cost of living crisis and 9% increase of a licence fee for bbc licence payers , i think bbc licence fee payers, i think is a unjustified indefensible.

>> yeah. the bbc would argue. >> yeah. the bbc would argue. >> of course it's had a freeze for a couple of years, but they can't then come bounding out and say we'll have an inflation, we'll have an inflation busting pay we'll have an inflation busting pay is it, pay rise of what is it, currently 4.7% and poised be currently 4.7% and poised to be down to two point something in about six months time. they are tone deaf, aren't they? politically at the beeb? >> i think so, because it doesn't quite match up with the cuts that they're to make cuts that they're trying to make and onune and moving to more online services time when you're services at a time when you're seeing streaming, when seeing more streaming, when you're competitors like you're seeing competitors like amazon those amazon and netflix where those audiences are growing. so i mean, i'm a supporter of the bbc. i think, you know, you've got to have a public service broadcaster because it delivers good programming. and goes good programming. and if it goes back of just back to its principles of just being inform, educate back to its principles of just beinentertain inform, educate back to its principles of just beinentertain .1form, educate back to its principles of just beinentertain . so 'm, educate back to its principles of just beinentertain . so froqucate back to its principles of just beinentertain . so from strictly and entertain. so from strictly come dancing to david attenborough's brilliant documentaries, that is something for everybody . and i think for everybody. and i think that's something that we should celebrate. >> do they do they do too much? the bbc do they do they need bbc six? do they need bbc three? do they need bbc four? that's just

they need bbc four? that's just the tv channels they closed bbc three and then brought it back. if you remember. >> i think i think that's a very good question and something for the into, the bbc to look into, whether they're the things they're cutting the right things or whether they're actually think, they think, you know, where they should competing in should be competing in in the onune should be competing in in the online in other online space or in the other streaming services or whether they cutting things streaming services or whether they newsnight cutting things streaming services or whether they newsnight , utting things streaming services or whether they newsnight , which things streaming services or whether they newsnight , which isings streaming services or whether they newsnight , which is where like newsnight, which is where they cutting they are cutting it. >> why you get rid of it? >> nobody watch it. >> nobody watch it. >> and the presenter of gb news, well, it's figures are plummeting. >> its figures are plummeting . >> its figures are plummeting. well, actually, it was on. it was on newsnight where they had three guests who all said gb news should be closed down. yes. is that the bbc? >> yes, you're right. close down. >> i'm glad you reminded of >> i'm glad you reminded me of that rubbish programme. >> it. >> don't watch it. >> don't watch it. >> of over >> and of course, over the last few years, the impartiality of the has the focus. the bbc has been the key focus. but what what people but i think what what people forget the bbc forget is because the bbc is funded money, when funded by taxpayers money, when it come the spotlight it does come into the spotlight in of not in terms of in in terms of not in terms of impartiality and sort of breaking its code, it does get a huge amount of scrutiny. things like gary lineker, things like that particular episode on

newsnight, when you had those guests weren't particularly guests that weren't particularly balanced, does come balanced, i think it does come under the spotlight and does under the spotlight and it does have maybe have to correct itself maybe more services . so more than other services. so i think know, i'm think it you know, i'm a supporter of the bbc, but just this 9% increase, do you know anyone over the age of 25 who watches television watches , tv? >> they watch they get their tv? >> tony watch they get their tv? >> ton their:h they get their tv? >> ton their devices,|et their tv? >> ton their devices, don'teir feet on their devices, don't they? they're the they? and they're not paying the licence that which they licence through that which they should be. yes >> yes, i think i think that's right. and i think, you right. and i think, look, you know, people moving to know, people are moving to online. to the online. they're moving to the mobile moving to. mobile phones they're moving to. so that a date? mobile phones they're moving to. so the at a date? mobile phones they're moving to. so the licence:e? mobile phones they're moving to. so the licence fee potentially? >> the licence fee potentially? >> the licence fee potentially? >> is. i think >> yes, i think it is. i think it needs to sure that it is it needs to make sure that it is able fund the programmes that able to fund the programmes that we to love and enjoy, we all want to love and enjoy, but also to make sure that it's a cost effective for the for the licence. >> and we, you know, we spend a lot of time on, on this show defending the needs of the elderly. always defend elderly. i will always defend the the elderly who the needs of the elderly who often have people speaking the needs of the elderly who oft

i mean, stereotyping here because i also like a bit of antiques roadshow, but then i am possibly quite elderly. antiques roadshow, the repair shop the saturday and sunday night, saturday, strictly sunday. the dramas there is value to that for that sort of output that isn't necessarily driven by having to be the raciest, you know, kind of viewing figures that just just brilliantly done entertain isn't television. >> exactly. and i think we forget, you know, in this 24 over seven world where we're all in a rush to get the latest news or the latest information or see the latest episode, whatever streaming service it's on, we forget actually there's forget that actually there's a huge the population huge swathes of the population that daytime television are things able things that we might not be able to see because we're at work from 9 to 5 or maybe slightly earlier later, earlier and slightly later, depending on your shift. but that daytime television, daytime programming to a programming is essential to a particular parts of the population . population. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> what about farage >> what about nigel farage coming back to the tory party? rishi broadchurch . do you rishi says broadchurch. do you think back ? think he should come back? >> are broadchurch . >> we're we are broadchurch. >> we're we are broadchurch. >> and that's not a very good answer. charlie cop out,

charlie, what do you charlie, is it? what do you think? a broadchurch apply for? >> would you if you were a tory party chairman, would you do a tory chair ? tory chair? >> and if you were tory chairman and should do a pub quiz and we should do a pub quiz questions know name questions. anybody know the name of party chairman? of the tory party chairman? >> richard holden? >> richard holden? >> you do. you did. and you'd be in big trouble. would you want him because vote him back? because he is a vote winner? some would winner? but some people would say pretty marmite . say he's pretty marmite. >> he is pretty. >> he is pretty. >> ma'am, think look , i think >> ma'am, i think look, i think there are people in politics and in life who are special in public life who are special cases and i think nigel would have to be taken to one side to have to be taken to one side to have a very serious conversation to say, look , if you actually to say, look, if you actually want to join the tory party, what is it that you can actually support rather than sort of because, you know , ukip reform, because, you know, ukip reform, you know, he has been a challenger to the tory party for a long time terms the a long time in terms of the votes or particular part of the votes or particular part of the vote everybody would vote that everybody would be courting . so if it's courting. so i think if it's a very if it's got to a serious very if it's got to be a serious conversation to say, look, nigel, to be part of nigel, if you want to be part of the got to support the team, you've got to support

other you might other things that you might have criticised because criticised in the past because that's just the direction of travel comes to things travel when it comes to things like zero and becoming like net zero and becoming a more energy efficient. his criticisms nigel criticisms from from nigel on that, everybody that, of course everybody wants to migration crisis to see the migration crisis tackled. everybody wants see tackled. everybody wants to see tougher laws in this particular area and to get it sorted. but is he going to be able to be able to support the government in achieving that or the conservative party in achieving that rather than just the noises off on the on the sidelines? so if it's something, the answer to that if it's something, the answer to tha i if it's something, the answer to thai don't think he i don't >> i don't think he i don't think compromise think he would compromise something as important to him as the net zero agenda, not being based in. well, he's on board with the president of cop who said it's not based in science. yeah so i can't imagine him doing that. yeah so i can't imagine him doiistanley sitting just >> stanley johnson sitting just there should get there said they should get him back him before the back and get him back before the election get him up in the election and get him up in the red they'd all the seats. >> well, i think electorally there's definitely a case to say, know, you're say, look, you know, if you're going reform the going to vote reform at the next election, let election, you're going to let labour through back door. labour in through the back door. so you know, people

so i think, you know, people have to be aware of all of have to be aware of for all of the policies and the ideas that reform and or others might be putting forward, because you're maybe slightly frustrated with the conservatives after 13 years. out for all of these years. but out for all of these frustrations, things are getting better slowly but surely, and we'll see where they end up before the next general election. but the whole point of the election will you the election will be, do you want to put all of that progress ? boats coming down, the ? small boats coming down, the economy, progress ? small boats coming down, the eco charlie, progress ? small boats coming down, the eco charlie, you're progress ? small boats coming down, the eco charlie, you're doing ss ? small boats coming down, the ecocharlie, you're doing a good >> charlie, you're doing a good job of trying all of that at risk voting for another risk by voting for another party that things that lets labour in and things could be ten times lot worse. >> be a it will be a lot >> it will be a it will be a lot worse with the boats they've just welcomed in open arms. sure of it. >> e can't e- e can't be much worse. >> they can't be much worse. >> they can't be much worse. >> it will it can't be >> no, it will be. it can't be much >> no, it will be. it can't be mu we've got 750,000 net migration. >> labour mps are probably paddle for them right. paddle the boats for them right. >> thank you so much, charlie. good see right. to good to see you. right. still to come morning, drivers come this morning, drivers across are warned of ice across the uk are warned of ice rink monday after subzero temperatures are expected throughout the day. it can't just be. there's a bit of bad weather. it's got to be ice rink

monday. >> and get this, this is one of our favourite stories. a labour council has cancelled one of the oldest christmas markets in the country in lincoln. know country in lincoln. do you know why? because think it's country in lincoln. do you know why? to :ause think it's country in lincoln. do you know why? to:austoo think it's country in lincoln. do you know why? to :austoo busyink it's country in lincoln. do you know why? to :austoo busy andt's country in lincoln. do you know why? to :austoo busy and cause going to get too busy and cause a safety risk. you couldn't make it and much more after your >> that and much more after your morning's news with tatiana sanchez. >> beth thank you. it's 1133. >> beth thank you. it's1133. this is the latest . british this is the latest. british lawyers could be sent to rwanda to advise judges on asylum cases as part of the government's plan to secure an immigration treaty. it's understood the home secretary is close to finalising the plan . soon after, the the plan. soon after, the supreme court ruled against it in november, reports suggest the rwandan government could be paid around £15 million on top of the 140 million already committed to the scheme , though the home the scheme, though the home office disputes those numbers . office disputes those numbers. the prime minister said. the bbc should be realistic about license fee increases. it's currently . £159 per year, but

currently. £159 per year, but it's thought the corporation wants to hike the charge by as much as 9% next year to just over £173. the culture secretary, lucy frazer, says she wanted it to rise by an appropriate amount, but the planned rise would be a very high level amid cost of living pressures. there are reports rishi sunak could block the increase, though it's understood no decisions have been made . no decisions have been made. almost £4 billion is being put into a rail project for the north of england. ministers are promising to invest £3.9 billion to upgrade the transpennine route connecting manchester, huddersfield, leeds and york . huddersfield, leeds and york. it's after the prime minister scrapped the northern leg of the hs2 route between manchester and birmingham this year. and more than 30 flood warnings have been issued as the risk of snow subsides , as heavy rains subsides, as heavy rains expected across large parts of the uk after a night of sub dip, subzero temperatures and heavy snowfall in the north, more than

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had dbs and co weeknights from . six >> very good morning. it's 1139. >> very good morning. it's1139. you're with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pearson, bev turner. >> well, we've got the panel back with us emma woolf and

former labour adviser matthew laza. >> right. let's talk about boris johnson. this is a most bizarre story, emma . give us the detail. story, emma. give us the detail. bons story, emma. give us the detail. boris johnson launched a raid on a dutch covid vaccine. >> he didn't launch the raid. >> he didn't launch the raid. >> he didn't launch the raid. >> he contemplated it . >> he contemplated it. >> he contemplated it. >> so he asked the security services to draw up plans. this was 2021. he asked the security services to draw up plans to raid a dutch covid factory because they had 5 million doses allegedly of astrazeneca jabs, which he felt they were withholding from this country. >> was this to all the inertia of the eu? >> yeah, it's the it's the sort of wars that broke out. >> the eu, wars that broke out over over vaccines. i mean , this over over vaccines. i mean, this covid soap opera, i wonder what he'll say about what was he going to send sort of special forces to go in and yeah, that's that's how we read it. >> i mean there's this is stole that's how we read it. >> istolen there's this is stole that's how we read it. >> istole millions. this is stole and stole millions. >> this is going to come up when he gives evidence to the inquiry. >> the inquiry today i mean he's got that that kc is going to resist that. >> he's going to be there on

wednesday, sorry, wednesday, wednesday, sorry, wednesday, wednesday heavily >> it's been so heavily previewed , you get confused. but previewed, you get confused. but the idea that you were literally going to send the sas to a friendly nato country to go and to go and grab the a vaccine factory or a vaccine factory, you're going to sort of, you know, fly in, grab them and fly out. it'sjust know, fly in, grab them and fly out. it's just it's just absurd. and think what will and i think what it will highlight is that whatever his other are, see other qualities are, some see them of calm, sensible them kind of calm, sensible decision wasn't decision making. wasn't boris strong point? >> i, i agree with all of that. >> i, i agree with all of that. >> but also it sums up his sense of deep frustration in, oh, look, have been in look, he may well have been in the because the eu is the right because the eu is playing games. playing silly games. >> was just being >> everybody was just being everybody's being desperate at the course, as turns the time. of course, as it turns out, the astrazeneca is the time. of course, as it turns out,thee astrazeneca is the time. of course, as it turns out,the preferred eca is the time. of course, as it turns out,the preferred option. is the time. of course, as it turns out,the preferred option. let'ss not the preferred option. let's put and is a put it politely. now and is a kind of use has been generally, i phased out and the i believe, phased out and the others take precedent. others are take precedent. so ultimately better ultimately it's probably better that 5 million vaccine that we got 5 million vaccine doses of the other but doses of the other ones. but yeah, was terribly yeah, it was a terribly frustrating time, it will frustrating time, but it will expose how boris works and his madcap . it reminds me madcap, it madcap. it reminds me madcap, it reminds of water cannons.

reminds me of the water cannons. >> remember the sort the >> you remember the sort of the garden yeah yeah, garden bridge? yeah yeah, exactly. the utopian crazy ideas. yeah. he was literally asking them to investigate military options on this poor factory in leiden. not poor factory, but, i mean. yeah. yeah, i wish they definitely weren't poor. >> i wonder who would have been the one who had to say prime minister >> not in your life even. >> not in your life even. >> the cabinet secretary. the secretary defence. secretary of state for defence. >> but but maybe the chief >> but then. but maybe the chief of general staff. of the general staff. >> of general staff. >> chief of general staff. >> chief of general staff. >> it such bizarre thing. >> it was such a bizarre thing. they were literally telling us we couldn't leave our homes. they were literally telling us, don't this, touch don't touch this, don't touch that, don't hug your mum. so actually in context that, actually in the context of that, this probably would have just been odd thing. been another odd thing. >> think forget how serene it >> think we forget how serene it was. don't we. i mean know because tried. yeah because we've all tried. yeah i mean right i don't forget mean quite right i don't forget but absolutely it was but it was absolutely it was just know at the time it may just you know at the time it may have sensible in the have seemed more sensible in the cold day. it seems. cold light of day. it seems. >> but imagine just >> but imagine, imagine just trying to think it through. the diplomatic , of course. diplomatic incident, of course. >> well, the scots, very strong armed forces, because they actually they're of actually i think they're one of the countries in nato that

actually i think they're one of the theirrntries in nato that actually i think they're one of the their 2. ries in nato that actually i think they're one of the their 2. so. in nato that actually i think they're one of the their 2. so. in nwouldn't spend their 2. so they wouldn't they wouldn't it wouldn't have been they wouldn't have been. know. >> not resisting who dares wins, but to flipping back and but to ray to flipping back and wait response this wait for his response to this right on before my blood right move on before my blood pressure explodes. right move on before my blood pre this, explodes. right move on before my blood pre this, although won't >> this, although this won't help oldest christmas help england's oldest christmas market. matthew one of the things we do well, right? we do a lovely christmas. >> we do a lovely christmas market. i'm from manchester. >> better. >> let's do it better. >> let's do it better. >> in europe, particularly >> links in europe, particularly a market. a lovely christmas market. >> well, i've always wanted to go lincoln, but go to the one in lincoln, but i never got around to it now never got around to it and now i can't because it started in 1982. four days. it's more concentrated some run concentrated than some which run over and it over december, and that's it seems a victim of seems to be been a victim of its own success. if you're being charitable, it's last year had 300,000 visit it when 300,000 people visit it when it's designed. they think the space the space can take 250,000 over the four days that it's on. so guess what? labour council has what? the labour council has decided that it can't take place this year because at all at all. so it's not that, you know, you have to have wristbands or that they're going to restrict numbers tell people numbers or they tell people to come whatever, come early or whatever, but they're to the they're going to take the £260,000 defence £260,000 and in their defence and going spend it on

and they're going to spend it on other activities other promotional activities across the year what? across the year for what? well, that little unclear , but that seems a little unclear, but lincoln key scene of the lincoln is a key scene of the general election and it doesn't strike that it's a very strike me that it's a very sensible christmas market. >> business are >> the business owners are saying life saying this is a real life nightmare before christmas. they're talking about cultural and vandalism . and this and economic vandalism. and this market . 15 million for market generated. 15 million for the city's economy. there were happy people. there was eating and shopping and drinking and a real buzz. they had all these other options. and people are genuinely shocked. they should be, of course, of, as you say, matthew, wristbands and stuff , matthew, wristbands and stuff, balancing numbers and spreading it , too, because you can't it out, too, because you can't have numbers. have unlimited numbers. >> you've got to have some sense of because obviously you of control because obviously you know, moan about know, we all sort of moan about health we health and safety, but we obviously, where obviously, you know, where crowds concerned, got crowds are concerned, you've got to think to do it. but i think there's a way of doing it with a hammer to crack a nut. exactly. >> and from political point of >> and from a political point of view, and it's a it's a key labour target of the general election. >> so it seems a bit to me. >> so it seems a bit daft to me. >> so it seems a bit daft to me. >> to reverse it and quickly. >> i think they may be too late for but certainly it

for this year, but certainly it needs to be back next year. somehow and needs to needs to be back next year. someitov and needs to needs to be back next year. someito v and aid, needs to needs to be back next year. someitov and aid, tell needs to needs to be back next year. someitov and aid, tell themzds to needs to be back next year. someitov and aid, tell them now) come to their aid, tell them how to the crowd. they'll to manage the crowd. they'll be small. >> traders go under because small. >> trare's go under because small. >> trare business under because small. >> tr are business owners)ecause small. >> trare business owners and jse small. >> tritraders ness owners and jse small. >> tritraders who owners and jse small. >> tritraders who literallyandjse small. >> tritraders who literally this se small traders who literally this is so go under. this is >> so they'll go under. this is part of their golden ticket for the year. >> gm- em.- >> yeah. and the other thing is, of course, people come back to the don't they. they've the city don't they. they've had a the christmas a great time at the christmas market they'll lovely market and they'll see a lovely b&b other the year. b&b and other part of the year. >> this is an indication >> and if this is an indication of what a labour government would it isn't. would do, i hope it isn't. >> labour won't ban >> but labour won't ban christmas horrible. patricia >> it's that horrible. patricia attitude to attitude again. we're going to keep safe. we're not going attitude again. we're going to ke let safe. we're not going attitude again. we're going to ke let yousafe. we're not going attitude again. we're going to ke let you goe. we're not going attitude again. we're going to ke let you go out. 're not going to let you go out. >> it's a panicky attitude of local authorities and although it's ratepayers we it's run by the ratepayers we saw with havering saw last week with havering council who didn't saw last week with havering coun

called they refusing all interviews and he's been on a jolly. he's coming on the gb news tomorrow . news tomorrow. >> brilliant. i've just been told we got biff. brilliant tomorrow. brilliant. >> that's. that's excuse. >> that's. that's an excuse. we're going to. we're going. we're going to. >> tuning in and >> i should be tuning in and we're going to about this. >> jolly that he went on. he went to visit lincoln's twin town in germany. went to visit lincoln's twin town had in germany. went to visit lincoln's twin town had a in germany. went to visit lincoln's twin town had a lovely germany. went to visit lincoln's twin town had a lovely tour1any. went to visit lincoln's twin town had a lovely tour ofly. went to visit lincoln's twin town had a lovely tour of the and he had a lovely tour of the festive market there. oh, did he? and him about how he's he? and ask him about how he's managed to get his shop for christmas? >> well, coming he >> well, he was coming on. he might said what might not now. he said what you've got to say, but maybe biff is going to say that he would like this this to go would quite like this this to go on the mayor on if he's maybe he's the mayor yes, he may not. >> december. maybe yes, he may not. >> should december. maybe yes, he may not. >> should have december. maybe yes, he may not. >> should have investigated maybe options. >> well, i mean, the mayor doesn't lot of power. no, doesn't have a lot of power. no, but leader certainly but the council leader certainly not interviews. not done any interviews. >> and the and, course, they >> and the and, of course, they have of course they >> and the and, of course, they have the of course they >> and the and, of course, they have the local of course they >> and the and, of course, they have the local torieerse they >> and the and, of course, they have the local tories took:hey >> and the and, of course, they have the local tories took itey have. the local tories took it to the council chamber because it wasn't made it was all made. it wasn't made in public decision how outrageous. behind every outrageous. and so behind every labour councillor voted to keep it, to close it, loyally voted to, to close the party line. absolutely. >> know again, >> and you know what? again, this the this is the left. this is the problem with the left. i'm

sorry, don't take sorry, matthew, don't take it personally. you're personally. i think you're wonderful. idea that wonderful. but this idea that they all they take these decisions all in our the worst thing our best, it's the worst thing they left us then they won't talk it. they come talk about it. they won't. come on show defend on the show to defend themselves. explain themselves. they won't explain their reasons. they snuffle away. >> and very happy defend >> and i'm very happy to defend things. defending with all my >> i was defending with all my life but mean, life earlier. but i mean, you know, something know, you can't defend something like it seems that like this when it seems that it's just been like you really defend all life defend him with all your life for leader, but you for labour leader, but you really i'm very, very loyal and melodramatic. >> here we go. >> here we go. >> starmer needs come >> keir starmer needs to come out today and say as as the out today and say as the as the labour leader, i would like to overrule lincoln labour council and market go and i want that market to go ahead. keir starmer that will be ahead. keir starmer that will be a he then can a vote winner and he then he can go year because go and visit next year because we'll be waiting for the we'll still be waiting for the election because the tories will be on. be clinging on. >> shop owners >> do you know local shop owners are few are so terrible terrible few years they're saying this is are so terrible terrible few yekick they're saying this is are so terrible terrible few yekick in they're saying this is are so terrible terrible few yekick in the zy're saying this is are so terrible terrible few yekick in the teeth.3ying this is a kick in the teeth. >> surely that's what labour's stand for. people local. >> surely that's what labour's sta|ironically, ple local. >> surely that's what labour's sta| ironically, ple loc launched >> ironically, labour launched a small the weekend. >> it's a small business plan on small business saturday, which >> it's a small business plan on smasaturday;s saturday, which >> it's a small business plan on smasaturday;s sa gone. , which >> it's a small business plan on smasaturday;s sa gone. well:h was saturday just gone. well there a little bit ironic. >> so i just words i think. >> so i just words i think. >> think jonathan reynolds, >> i think jonathan reynolds, the spokesperson, may the business spokesperson, may

be the phone as speak to be on the phone as we speak to lincoln be on the phone as we speak to lin> for this year, but >> yeah. for this year, but let's it back year we let's get it back next year we can all go. >> unacceptable. >> unacceptable. >> it's in my it is >> look, it's in my view, it is a mistake. know, i'm not a mistake. you know, i'm not i don't defend everything the labour indefensible. >> word day. >> that's the word of the day. it indefensible. right. it is indefensible. right. let's sort mood and sort of lighten the mood and talk about shall we? emma talk about sex, shall we? emma woolf? about woolf? let's talk about sex. i need a breather. hilarious. so this is young people saying they don't tv. what >> they don't. this is ulrika jonsson in the sun and jonsson writing in the sun and she's this a this is she's saying this is a this is a study which found that young people less than generation z under too much sex. under the there's too much sex. >> don't want sex. >> they don't want to see sex. they'd like see more platonic they'd like to see more platonic relationships reflected which snowflakes , absolute snowflakes. snowflakes, absolute snowflakes. they feel challenged by it. they want to see that other representations of relationships. always relationships. it doesn't always need sex. ulrika need to be about sex. ulrika johnson, meanwhile, is saying, come more sex. we come on, we want more sex. we want good sex. want to see good sex. >> don't you think, matthew, this is because young this is because all the young people literally people have got literally unlimited sex on their phones? no. >> well, i think w- >> well, i think i think that's part of mean, you know, if part of it. i mean, you know, if you know, parents, just you know, for parents, it's just such worry about exposure

you know, for parents, it's just su adult worry about exposure you know, for parents, it's just su adult content about exposure you know, for parents, it's just su adult content to )out exposure you know, for parents, it's just su adult content to put exposure you know, for parents, it's just su adult content to put it(posure to adult content to put it politely. i mean, i think this is there is an interesting thing here that that because people are their so much, are on their phones so much, it's you know, sex always it's about, you know, sex always becomes yeah and becomes transactional. yeah and therefore why they therefore maybe that's why they want see more sort of want to see more sort of different representations. and i think there is a there's a little in which is little point in here, which is sometimes we don't you sometimes we don't see, you know, female, female friendships, i don't friendships, male male. i don't mean sexual, but friendships, male male. i don't measort sexual, but friendships, male male. i don't mea sort of sexual, but friendships, male male. i don't measort of buddies,xual, but friendships, male male. i don't mea sort of buddies, you, but friendships, male male. i don't mea sort of buddies, you know, just sort of buddies, you know, enough because all traditionally, of course, you know, narrative, and know, all narrative, film and television about television is about is about falling love rather than falling in love rather than being with your buddies. you know right. because if >> you're so right. because if you about friends. you think about friends. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> sitcom. exactly it's outdated >> exactly. >> sitco it. exactly it's outdated >> exactly. >> sitco it wasictly it's outdated >> exactly. >> sitco it was about�*s outdated >> exactly. >> sitco it was about friendship. because it was about friendship. yes. they did end up in certain relationships. absolutely. but they was they were centred around it was centred around that. whereas actually, watch actually, emma, when you watch any drama now, particularly teen dramas, inevitably somebody at some friendship, dramas, inevitably somebody at some friendship , they some point the friendship, they look at each other across their lattes and snogging. lattes and end up snogging. >> do. they do and yeah and >> they do. they do and yeah and it does always come down to that. feel there's too much that. they feel there's too much romance. think there's romance. but i think there's something with, something else going on with, with the younger generation.

this is sort of 24 seconds this is sort of under 24 seconds that drink less, they that they drink less, they have less promiscuous do less promiscuous sex, they do less promiscuous sex, they do less fun that we used to less fun things that we used to do . do. >> i mean, why do you think cautious. why i i hate cautious. why is i mean, i hate to back to the pandemic, but to go back to the pandemic, but i think that people have grown up weird world. i think that people have grown up i weird world. i think that people have grown up i was weird world. i think that people have grown up i was talkingd world. i think that people have grown up i was talking to vorld. i think that people have grown up i was talking to an d. i think that people have grown up i was talking to an 18 year >> i was talking to an 18 year old said that they didn't old who said that they didn't like to kiss because it was so close. they three close. well they spent three years their formative years of their formative years when wearing when we were snogging, wearing masks going near masks and not going near other people. it damaged people. so i think it damaged people. so i think it damaged people . we this people profoundly. we in this age so maybe now this is age group. so maybe now this is age group. so maybe now this is a reaction they just they a reaction and they just they don't to see anything too don't want to see anything too intimate, close to their intimate, too close to their confidence . confidence. >> yeah. and i think there's also relationships are messy and gritty and kind of uncontrollable and also safety , uncontrollable and also safety, don't you think? because of all the issues around consent that people are quite nervous now? you think men in you know, i think young men in particular are, know, quite particular are, you know, quite rightly, of issues have rightly, lots of issues have been around but been raised around consent. but it's balance so it's finding the balance so people can express people feel they can express moment, know, and moment, but, you know, and be safe, but not feel they safe, safe but not feel they have to shy away from a have to shy away from what's a central we all know. >> and it relates to our story

about the christmas market. it's been closed because it's been closed down because it's not and so you've not safe. and so you've got a generation are generation of kids who are terrified and yet terrified of everything, and yet we're living in a weird generation. want get generation. i really want to get to president saying to the president of cop28 saying there science behind there is no science behind phasing fuels. phasing out fossil fuels. >> emma, did he declare an interest when he this? did interest when he said this? did it so this is tell us it exactly. so this is tell us who he is. a front page guardian which they put in smallest which they put in the smallest possible print they can. >> saying this is >> yeah. so he's saying this is the al—jarba is claiming the sultan al—jarba is claiming there's no science indicating that phasing out fossil fuels is needed. is needed to restrict global heating to 1.5. he said that the phase out would not allow sustainable development unless the unless you want to take the world back into cave. >> and of course, his day job is he's president running the national oil company. national company, oil company. >> and of course, when they're using we've already heard using it as we've already heard the revelations week, using it as we've already heard the reviusingls week, using it as we've already heard the reviusing it week, using it as we've already heard the reviusing it as week, using it as we've already heard the reviusing it as aneek, using it as we've already heard the reviusing it as a trade they're using it as a trade fair. yes. to sell more oil contracts. they are one of the world's ten biggest oil producers it? really producers, isn't it? he really is bringing the concept of cop into disrepute, isn't it? >> well, don't you think it had

been brought into disrepute many years before? >> well, i think look, >> well, i think i think look, i think i believe in climate change. need to change. i believe we need to take action but what's the take action to. but what's the point compromise? but i think point of compromise? but i think it becomes a foreign 70,000 people. >> secretary arrived people. >> separate secretary arrived people. >> separate plane atary arrived people. >> separate plane eta the rrived people. >> separate planeatathe kingi on a separate plane to the king who arrived a separate plane on a separate plane to the king withe'rived a separate plane on a separate plane to the king withe prime a separate plane on a separate plane to the king withe prime ministerrate plane to the prime minister >> john kerry getting >> three, john kerry getting off his telling private his plane, telling other private jet went telling jet labour went on, telling other people not go anywhere other people not to go anywhere near what is wrong. >> they all could have got flown together. >> there is an issue about them, about the king and about not having the king and the minister same plane. >> why couldn't keir starmer have with the prime minister? >> i'm sure he would. >> i'm sure he would. >> they can all go separately keir to pay own way. keir starmer to pay his own way. >> separately. >> i think the go separately. >> i think the go separately. >> could have >> they could have gone commercial. could they i commercial. they could they i think 70,000. know for think 70,000. and we know for a fact people were having fact that people were having business a davos business meetings. it's a davos jolly year jolly in the desert and year after we need to after year i think we need to seriously at copper. seriously look at copper. >> a big party >> it's like a big party conference in the sense that a good party conference knows that they've good party conference knows that th

thing is, is if there's real work be done and people need work to be done and people need to december 12th, like john to december the 12th, like john kerry, for president. kerry, who's ran for president. but is now climate for but is now the climate envoy for biden, for the biden, and he's there for the whole he's doing the whole thing. he's doing the detailed work. you don't need whole thing. he's doing the det'vice work. you don't need whole thing. he's doing the det'vice president| don't need whole thing. he's doing the det'vice president or)n't need whole thing. he's doing the det'vice president or the need whole thing. he's doing the det'vice president or the people the vice president or the people to to to fly in and fly out just to just. she there for? just. what was she there for? >> oh, yes. >> oh, yes. >> to burnish her credentials as a president. a potential vice president. >> to keep the they >> absolutely. to keep the they can she. >> absolutely. to keep the they can how she. >> absolutely. to keep the they can how about she. >> absolutely. to keep the they can how about we she. >> absolutely. to keep the they can how about we focus on all the >> how about we focus on all the pledges out cop26 pledges that came out of cop26 27 can you remember 27 and do them? can you remember five no, there five years time? no, but there was that out of was a lot that came out of glasgow even more that came out of was to of that was to ago. >> and if you remember the silly cabinet in cabinet minister who was in charge it, as the charge of it, wept as as the conference ended, tory mp what was name? was his name? >> alok sharma. >> alok sharma alok sharma. >> alok sharma alok sharma. >> now? whatever >> where is he now? whatever happened a happened to him fighting for a seat?think he's standing down >> i think he's standing down because he knows he's going to lose. >> e.- e.— e majority of 4500. >> he's got a majority of 4500. >> he's got a majority of 4500. >> a goner. >> he's a goner. >> he's a goner. there's >> he's a goner. there's quite >> he's a goner. there's quite a few. and he'll find a job in the eco green. that's actually that's, of the that's, i think, just one of the things looked at things we haven't looked at is there's another 50 tory mps are going down as they going to stand down as they desperately a job. desperately search for a job. and of the things we've seen and one of the things we've seen when ministers

when the junior ministers left is have is making sure they have six months they can take to months before they can take to take job in the sector. so take a job in the sector. so it's bit grubby, it's a bit it's a bit grubby, isn't it? >> it's turkeys turkeys and christmas. >> very grubby, isn't it? yeah. >> very grubby, isn't it? yeah. >> it them. >> but that's it from them. thank always joy. always thank you. always a joy. always a always lovely to have you >> always lovely to have you here. come the end of here. we have come to the end of our this morning at our show for this morning at britain's newsroom. but up next, it's good afternoon with it's good afternoon britain with tom tomorrow. tom and emily. see you tomorrow. >> then. is indeed. >> see you then. it is indeed. >> see you then. it is indeed. >> good afternoon, britain. >> good afternoon, britain. >> expecting huge >> we're expecting some huge news, a big new package of migration policies from the prime minister intended to bring down those migration figures . down those migration figures. >> yes. this afternoon we're expecting a statement in the house of commons. we're expecting detail within the next half an hour what this half an hour on what this enormous seismic package could be. it turn around rishi be. could it turn around rishi sunaks fortunes ? well, all of sunaks fortunes? well, all of that to come on. good afternoon , britain. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boiler boilers sponsors of whether you're on . gb news. of whether you're on. gb news. >> hi there. >> hi there. >> it's aidan mcgivern here from

the met office with the gb news forecast following a very wintry weekend . for some of us, it's weekend. for some of us, it's a milder day today. >> cloudy for many outbreaks of rain, although it is staying cold in the far north, central and northern scotland. >> and then later for the rest of scotland, northern ireland sitting in the cold air. >> but across england and wales, southern a southern scotland, we've got a lot outbreaks of rain. >> that rain, heavy and persistent in places, has caused some issues with some flooded roads and so on. and it's slow to move away through the rest of the day. >> so it is going to stay grey and damp. now for northern ireland, central and northern scotland, with scotland, it's a brighter with some , mostly rain some wintry showers, mostly rain and sleet at lower levels. some wintry showers, mostly rain ancsnow at lower levels. some wintry showers, mostly rain ancsnow over)wer levels. some wintry showers, mostly rain ancsnow over hills. evels. >> snow over hills. >> snow over hills. >> and as showers continue >> and as those showers continue into evening as into the evening and as temperatures fall away, there's going to be icy patches, going to be some icy patches, especially for northern scotland. >> elsewhere , we've got the rain >> elsewhere, we've got the rain continuing across southeast scotland, northeast england and for a while, central parts of the uk, although here, will ease by the end of the night. >> now temperatures will stay up in the mid single figures where

we've cloud the we've got the cloud and the rain, it's going to be rain, but it's going to be another night for central another cold night for central and northern scotland. >> northern ireland as >> parts of northern ireland as well, well well, seeing temperatures well below icy below freezing and those icy patches first thing tuesday. but a bright start for much of scotland and northern ireland. just a few more wintry flurries into the far north. just a few more wintry flurries intcand far north. just a few more wintry flurries intcand we've rth. just a few more wintry flurries intcand we've got the cloud and >> and we've got the cloud and rain eastern parts of rain across eastern parts of england, scotland england, southeast scotland moving away through the day. >> skies developing >> so brighter skies developing and wind easing as well . and the wind easing as well. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. so sponsors of weather on gb news as

well . well. >> good afternoon, britain . it's >> good afternoon, britain. it's 12:00 on monday, the 4th of december. the big migration gamble rumours are swirling around westminster that the prime minister will today announce drastic action to slash immigration. >> we'll bring you the latest live from downing street as we get it . get it. >> or cut your cloth . the prime >> or cut your cloth. the prime minister is also expected to block a 9% increase in the bbc licence fee after he warned the corporation that it needs to be realistic about what the public can afford. could it be a game over for the telly tax ? over for the telly tax? >> this climate conference disarray chaos in dubai . as the disarray chaos in dubai. as the president of cop 28 says, there's no science behind just stopping oil warning that phasing out coal, oil and gas would take the world back into

caves.is would take the world back into caves. is he right