gb news. >> good afternoon. 3:00. i'm martin daubney. this is gb news. welcome to the show. we're keeping you company for the next three hours. and by the way, merry top story today merry christmas. top story today , immigration clampdown is today. do or die for the conservatives will cross live later in the show for james cleverly speech on rwanda salary caps immigration caps will be asking the big question is this enough to save the tories from what looks like certain defeat at the next general election? and on that point in the studio, in about 15 minutes, we'll have lee anderson , the red wall lee anderson, the red wall rottweiler . i'll lee anderson, the red wall rottweiler. i'll ask him, is this enough to save the tories? what can be done about immigration? whilst keir starmer bonkers to mention maggie

thatcher and would he welcome nigel farage as tory leader? i might as well ask him. he'll be here. he can't escape . next here. he can't escape. next question. the french defy the european court of human rights and deport a terrorist, no questions asked. no human rights, no lawyers, didn't stop them. why can't britain do the same? i'll ask charlie peters on that one. the bbc licence fee, of course, is in the news today. rishi has vowed to cap the licence fee, but is that enough? would you like to see it scrapped altogether or is it outmoded? should it go? let us know your views on that one. and finally, nigel avoids the chop in the jungle. he rumbles on in the jungles . frankie dettori was the jungles. frankie dettori was the jungles. frankie dettori was the first to fall. now it's operation save nigel. your country needs you all that coming up in this hour. so i think i just saw lee anderson hove into view. what would you

like to ask him? what would you like to ask him? what would you like to ask him? what would you like to the conservative like to put to the conservative party? think today's party? do you think today's announcement on salary announcement on rwanda on salary caps , do you think that would be caps, do you think that would be enough h caps, do you think that would be enough it too little, too enough or is it too little, too late? is your vote going to go forever? course the forever? and of course on the bbc let me if bbc licence fee, let me know if you've fee you've stopped paying the fee and . what was it that put and why. what was it that put you off bbc? the politics? you off the bbc? the politics? was the salaries of the was it the salaries of the megastars fact they megastars or the fact they threatened put pensioners in threatened to put pensioners in jail, touch throughout jail, get in touch throughout the show and i'll read out all the show and i'll read out all the comments? the best comments? vaiews@gbnews.com. that's all coming up in the next hour. but first, here's a news headlines coming up in the next hour. but first,tatianaa news headlines coming up in the next hour. but first,tatiana sanchezeadlines coming up in the next hour. but first,tatiana sanchez .3dlines with tatiana sanchez. >> martin, thank you and good afternoon. this is the latest from the newsroom. the home secretary's expected to announce new measures to bring down legal migration after record high arrivals to the uk last year. it's understood james cleverly will raise the minimum salary required for skilled workers from overseas . to around from overseas. to around £38,000. it follows the prime

minister's promise to do what's necessary to bring down net migration after official figures hit a record high of 745,000 last year. downing street says the new measures will focus on clamping down on abuse in the legal migration system . legal migration system. meanwhile, downing street has rejected claims that the government will give rwanda another £15 million to sign a new immigration treaty. it's understood the home secretary is close to finalising the plan after the supreme court ruled against it in november. the agreement could see british lawyers sent to rwanda to advise judges on asylum cases . the judges on asylum cases. the prime minister says the bbc should be realistic about what people can afford, amid reports of a planned increase to the tv licence fee . it's currently £159 licence fee. it's currently £159 per year, but it's thought the corporation wants to hike the charge by as much as 9% next year to just over £173. the culture secretary , lucy frazer culture secretary, lucy frazer says the planned rise would be very high amid cost of living

pressures. gb news understands the broadcaster could be forced to accept a lower increase . keir to accept a lower increase. keir starmer says a labour government wouldn't put more pressure on taxpayers . is speaking at the taxpayers. is speaking at the economy inquiry in london. sir keir has pledged his ministers will be ruthless when it comes to public spending. it's after he accused the tories of letting pubuc he accused the tories of letting public finances deteriorate over the last 15 years. but sir keir promised labour would be obsessed with the economic growth . growth. >> if we are privileged enough to be elected next year. the diagnosis, the search for distractions and excuses all of that ends because the defining purpose of the next labour government , the mission that government, the mission that stands above all others, will be raising britain's productivity growth with a goal that for my labor party will become an obsession in the president of the cop 28 climate summit in

dubai says he's surprised by reports suggesting that he denies a key aspect of climate science. >> sultan al was criticised in november after he said there was no scientific basis for limiting a rise in global temperatures to 1.5. a rise in global temperatures to 15.speak a rise in global temperatures to 1.5. speak at the summit today, he said his comments were taken out of context in an attempt to undermine the aim of the conference. he reiterated his full belief in climate science . full belief in climate science. >> and i have repeatedly said in many occasions and in many different platforms that it is the science that have guided the principles of our strategy as cop 28 presidency and i've been very crystal clear about that . very crystal clear about that. and i hope that this time i am clearer in getting this message across . across. >> the ministry of defence's plan for new weapons has a budget black hole of £169 budget black hole of £16.9 billion. the national audit office said the mod's ten year

programme until 2033 was unaffordable. oil and the projected deficit is the biggest since 2012. it puts the estimated cost at more than £300 billion against a budget of just over 288 billion, almost £4 billion is being put into a rail project for the north of england. ministers are promising to invest £3.9 billion to upgrade the trans pennine route, connecting manchester hardest field, leeds and york. it's after the prime minister scrapped the northern leg of the hs2 route between manchester and birmingham this year. a number of tory mps are calling for a new body to help infected blood victims , with some backbenchers victims, with some backbenchers set to join forces with labour on payouts over the scandal. thousands of people contracted hiv and hepatitis c after being given contaminate blood products in the 1970s and 80s reports suggest that ministers are unlikely to shift their positions while the inquiry is ongoing . but shadow chancellor

ongoing. but shadow chancellor rachel reeves confirmed labour will support an amendment with the body created to pay out compensation . and more than 30 compensation. and more than 30 flood warnings have been issued as the risk of snow subsides , as as the risk of snow subsides, as heavy rains expected across large parts of the uk . it large parts of the uk. it follows a night of subzero temperatures and heavy snowfall in the north, with nearly 40 schools closed in cumbria . the schools closed in cumbria. the yellow alerts for rain are in place across southern england, south east wales and into the midlands until 6:00 tonight. a yellow rain warning is also in place for northeast england until 9:00 tomorrow morning . until 9:00 tomorrow morning. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to . martin >> thank you, tatyana. now we start with the migrant crisis and the home secretary james cleverly is set to announce plans to reduce legal migration.

we will bring you that live on gb news later in the show. in the meanwhile, i'm joined by our political editor christopher hope.chns political editor christopher hope. chris great expectations is the phrase that leaps to mind as we approach christmas. lots of promises have been made on salary caps, 38 grand on the absolute caps on numbers and also tougher action on rwanda promises a boots on the ground . promises a boots on the ground. what do we expect? and more to the point, do we think it will be enough ? be enough? >> well, the hoping, of course , >> well, the hoping, of course, to think of a of my dickens analogies for you, martin, you've stumped me there slightly, but it's more it's more like there won't be a ghost of past here of christmas past for here the prime trying prime minister. he's trying to look the future and look forward into the future and find a way tackle spiralling find a way to tackle spiralling net migration, legal migration and of course, the issue of cross border boats coming across the english channel. now, there are two things happening this week, and it's a massive on week, and it's a massive week on migration week, and it's a massive week on mingli’stt week, and it's a massive week on migifirst week, first issue is the first week, first issue is today. going to to today. they're going to try to work control net work out how to control net migration. more than 700,000, of

course, arrived here in the year to the end of last year. at the end of last december . forgive end of last december. forgive me. idea is to bring me. and the idea is to bring that number down. they're going to at lifting minimum to look at lifting the minimum salary required get a visa salary required to get a visa from around 26,000 a year to 38,000 a year. that will essentially return it to where it was pre eu referendum in 2016, making it more of a gradual visa so highly skilled people can come here with with degrees, but lower skilled workers can't . the challenge the workers can't. the challenge the government's got is to how fill these 1 million vacancies in the workforce . there are 6 million workforce. there are 6 million working age people at home who aren't working. some are on benefits, some aren't. the government of government wants to get more of them into and them into work. and the challenge going be how to challenge is going to be how to make happen don't make that happen and don't damage because damage the economy because of course, likes course, the treasury likes to have migrants coming have a number of migrants coming in, maybe around 250,000 a year to ensure we have economic growth. they're going to growth. so they're going to tweak you can come to tweak the way you can come to this country legally. also probably look banning, maybe probably look at banning, maybe in other areas of the economy, not students . people bring not just students. people bring

in , which might in family members, which might increase numbers that way . the increase numbers that way. the second part of this attempt at controlling migration this week is rwanda plan. now, is on the rwanda plan. now, don't forget, the supreme court ruled plan ruled out the rwanda rwanda plan , saying that that elements of it were not were in conflict with uk and eu human echr forgive me, human rights laws. they want to move people back into rwanda and process the their their claims in rwanda make that happen. but they want to stop lawyers stopping that happening. so they want to reassure judges that if that happens , those people who go to happens, those people who go to rwanda won't sent back to the rwanda won't be sent back to the country they're fleeing from. and won't be in harm's and won't be won't be in harm's way so there's big way there. so there's two big things today . way there. so there's two big things today. is this things happening today. is this legal crackdown , legal migration crackdown, probably we'll see probably thursday. we'll see more on this rwanda treaty and new emergency legislation to overrule all the eu echr the european convention of human rights to allow this rwanda plan to happen. if this comes off, then it may be that rishi sunak by spring has finally got

by next spring has finally got a grip on the issue of migration, and that might be a stick with which to beat labour come the next election. >> okay, chris, thanks for that update. and of course we'll be crossing the crossing live to you for the reaction cleverly's reaction to james cleverly's speech. i think in about speech. june, i think in about an hour's time. you. now an hour's time. thank you. now i'm the by i'm joined in the studio by the deputy the deputy chairman of the conservative party. none other than always than mr lee anderson. lee always a pleasure. you heard what a pleasure. so you heard what was there. you've just was going on there. you've just beenin was going on there. you've just been in chamber. we're looking forward this forward to this speech, this afternoon cleverly. afternoon from mr cleverly. i guess the question i put to you, the one i put to chris, is, is it too little, too late for 745,000 via the front door? this yean 745,000 via the front door? this year, let alone the back door ? year, let alone the back door? but do you think you can turn this around? >> it's never too late, martin. we cannot let this go on. it's unsustainable. the figures are more . you know, more than alarming. you know, the in this country are the people in this country are a little bit fed up. we've promised all governments have promised really to bring migration down. >> not we've failed . it's >> we've not we've failed. it's increasing pressures on public services. as you know , in my area. >> i sure do know it very well.

martin, from that neck of the woods, you know, try and get a doctor's appointment, try and get into try get your kid into school, try and appointment. get your kid into school, try andvery appointment. get your kid into school, try andvery , appointment. get your kid into school, try andvery , very appointment. get your kid into school, try andvery , very difficult.ointment. get your kid into school, try andvery , very difficult. and nent. it's very, very difficult. and people getting little people are getting a little bit angry . people are getting a little bit angthey're grumpy and they >> they're very grumpy and they fed migration fed up. now with the migration figures as they are, want figures as they are, they want to see action and quite rightly so, astonishing . so, astonishing. >> at the weekend, keir starmer flashing his got to red wall flashing his got to the red wall saying that the tories have betrayed voters on immigration and brexit. you might have a few words say about that. words to say about that. >> i mean another >> well, i mean another bandwagon for security to leap on. mm “m on. it's sir flip flop as we call him. >> look, he's playing politics. >> look, he's playing politics. >> even a thatcherite now i see in papers this this week is in the papers this this week is claiming a big fan of claiming to be a big fan of margaret thatcher. >> i don't think anybody takes him is, him seriously. the thing is, martin, about martin, when i'm out and about in on in ashfield knocking on doors and to real people and speaking to real people in the real world, yes, they're a little bit grumpy with those over the migration, there's over the migration, but there's no we own no love for starmer. we own it not ashfield all not just in ashfield but all over not just in ashfield but all oveit's seen as being little >> it's seen as being a little bit he'll on any bandwagon >> he'll jump on any bandwagon possible and you know, when he starts taking lead on starts taking the lead on migration, this is a man who wants open borders, the wants to open borders, by the

way, big brexiteer way, you know, a big brexiteer voted against leaving the european on numerous occasions. >> takes seriously . >> nobody takes him seriously. >> nobody takes him seriously. >> they haven't offered an >> they haven't even offered an alternative yet, have they? is that having come? because, that having to come? because, i mean, they're mean, they keep saying they're going on going to clamp down on the on the human traffickers, on the smuggling gangs , but one's smuggling gangs, but no one's ever that far . ever managed to do that so far. all saying all voters and ashfield saying to , we haven't heard any to you, we haven't heard any detail well you detail from labour. well you look the chamber this week, look in the chamber this week, you'll after mp you'll labour mp after labour mp they'll bang on about 13 years of tory rule , but we've had 13 of tory rule, but we've had 13 years of labour opposition and not one single plan, not one single solution. >> so you know , coming up to the >> so you know, coming up to the election, year , election, martin next year, whenever they're going whenever it'll be, they're going to their hand at to have to reveal their hand at some stage. >> and far haven't >> and so far they haven't they haven't plan. >> and so far they haven't they havthey've plan. >> and so far they haven't they havthey've gotlan. >> and so far they haven't they havthey've got no. >> and so far they haven't they havthey've got no policies. >> they've got no policies. i mean, it's coming out as a thatcherite. it's like in some of might as well of our policies it might as well just party. of our policies it might as well justthe party. of our policies it might as well justthe funny party. of our policies it might as well justthe funny thing party. of our policies it might as well justthe funny thing i party. of our policies it might as well justthe funny thing i wantty. of our policies it might as well justthe funny thing i want to ask >> the funny thing i want to ask you this thatcherite thing you about this thatcherite thing because as you say, i know that area a miner. my dad area you were a miner. my dad was a miner. the t word was summit you avoided. like summit you avoided. it was like the plague. summit you avoided. it was like the pmean, i say this on my >> i mean, i say this on my weekly >> i mean, i say this on my weekgo to members down >> i go to members up and down the you know, we hated

the country. you know, we hated maggie passion in maggie with a passion in the in the red wall areas the in the red wall areas because of our pits. but when you you know, history will you look you know, history will tell actually tell you that actually harold wilson closed more pits than margaret thatcher. when you margaret thatcher. and when you look the state the country look at the state of the country at the country needed at the time, the country needed maggie it maggie to come along. and it took time forgive took me a long time to forgive maggie happened in our maggie for what happened in our area, to honest, area, because we to be honest, martin, the brunt martin, we faced the brunt of it. had the pit closures, it. we had the pit closures, the factory the factory closures. we had the deprivation. donkeys deprivation. it took us donkeys years to get over that. >> and actual fact, 2019, i think, you we think, well, you know, we both know the time when people know was the time when people finally put that bed . in finally put that to bed. in a sense, was the election sense, that was the election that that of holding that broke that cycle of holding on past . so is that broke that cycle of holding on past. so is it wise or on to the past. so is it wise or is it really foolish of starmer to to revive it? it's to attempt to revive it? it's gone down like a cup of cold, sick in his own party. >> it do. >> well, it will do. >> well, it will do. >> you see some the >> i mean, you see some of the lefties now his own party there. >> i mean, i've seen ian lavery was on twitter was having a property on twitter earlier you know , earlier today saying, you know, it was a go at starmer's it was having a go at starmer's comments over margaret thatcher. >> look, people voted conservative for the first time in the red wall in places like ashfield where stood .

ashfield where where you stood. martin and people over martin and i think people over a penod martin and i think people over a period of time have been looking for an excuse to vote conservative, never really conservative, but never really called. but the brexit, the boris, the jeremy corbyn thing, that that mix , that that was sort of that mix, that mix people that mix together gave people that perfect excuse to vote. tory and you know, when, sir you know, and when, when sir keir out trying to make keir comes out trying to make out is a thatcherite , it's out is a big thatcherite, it's not no ice mate. it's silly. >> you think brexit will >> do you think brexit will still be an issue on the doorstep because you it brings up brexit and all remember up brexit and we all remember of course he was he was the campaign people's campaign leader of the people's vote to reverse. >> was he mean the >> he was, he was i mean the brexit a lot of people. brexit vote for a lot of people. it wasn't all about immigration, but a lot people it was but for a lot of people it was immigration. they immigration. you know, they wanted saw wanted they you know, they saw and and the left and labour party and the left will always call you racist and bigoted or whatever bigoted and fascist or whatever people were seeing communities where overnight were where people were overnight were speaking different languages. where people were overnight were speaicouldn'trent languages. where people were overnight were speaicouldn't understand ges. where people were overnight were speaicouldn't understand or;. where people were overnight were speaicouldn't understand or they they couldn't understand or they were into their town were going into their town centres. when they were in the minority. the english language was the minority. now now was in the minority. now now people fast change. people don't like fast change. they don't like quick change. they don't like quick change. they things happen they like things to happen gradually the gradually. and that's not the integration that the people in ashfield when you integration that the people in ainntoi when you integration that the people in

ainnto mansfield when you integration that the people in ainnto mansfield or when you integration that the people in ainnto mansfield or ashfield you integration that the people in ainnto mansfield or ashfield or»u go into mansfield or ashfield or or town centre or or eastwood town centre or wherever and you see here engushis wherever and you see here english is the minority language, if you like people are not racist to be unhappy about that. they just don't want that change at that pace. martin it's as as that . as simple as that. >> nevertheless, the >> nevertheless, you know, the conservatives in power >> nevertheless, you know, the cor13 rvatives in power >> nevertheless, you know, the cor13 years, s in power >> nevertheless, you know, the cor13 years, and in power >> nevertheless, you know, the cor13 years, and particularly ower for 13 years, and particularly the legal is what's the legal route is what's concerning people. when you look at the numbers, especially dependently, 154,000 dependents of skilled workers, 96,000 dependents of students, how can it be the case? i understand that the student dependence is going to be reviewed. maybe we'll get more detail later on from on from from james cleverly on that. how can it be that that. but how can it be that someone in someone comes to study in britain? allowed to britain? they're allowed to bnng britain? they're allowed to bring missus britain? they're allowed to bringthem. missus with them. >> shouldn't. with them. >> sh(asdn't. with them. >> sh(as far:. with them. >> sh(as far as i'm >> i mean, as far as i'm concerned, sort of a back concerned, it's sort of a back door of getting people in. door way of getting people in. and know of and we know some of these courses, courses. and we know some of these courses, it's courses. and we know some of these courses, it's been courses. and we know some of these courses, it's been happening.;es. we know it's been happening. it's stop . and hopefully it's got to stop. and hopefully james out with some james will come out with some some today. james will come out with some som pretty today. james will come out with some sompretty sure today. james will come out with some sompretty sure he today. james will come out with some sompretty sure he because i'm pretty sure he will because as the as you know, martin, over the past this has been past few weeks, this has been the one topic. we've the number one topic. and we've got act because at the got to act because at the moment, the public are running out with we've

out of patience with us. we've promised migration promised to bring migration down. there's been a realisation now it is far high. now that it is far too high. it's got come down definitely it's got to come down definitely before the next election. both legal illegal migration. before the next election. both legal got illegal migration. before the next election. both legal got to agal migration. before the next election. both legal got to get migration. before the next election. both legal got to get hisgration. before the next election. both legal got to get his finger. before the next election. both legal got to get his finger out we've got to get his finger out and it out. is true to and sort it out. is it true to say brexit divide that say that the brexit divide that existed within the conservative party in 2019 seems to have manifested itself again on an immigration divide , a place like immigration divide, a place like ashfield where where it impacts people directly in terms of performance, schools and all that stuff we talk about versus the more rural shires where they're more progressive and they're more progressive and they're in danger of losing their liberal democrat. their seats to liberal democrat. >> it's is that divide a real thing? think a divide thing? i think there's a divide in parliament. >> the of >> martin the whole of parliament, know, parliament, you know, some there's thought in there's a school of thought in parliament more parliament that the more immigrants you bring in, parliament that the more imnmore ts you bring in, parliament that the more imnmore productive bring in, parliament that the more imnmore productive yomg in, parliament that the more imnmore productive you get. the more productive you get. i don't at i don't believe that at all. i think it's nonsense. know , think it's nonsense. you know, in business, private business, they produce more. they always try to produce more. do more the amount of do more with the same amount of people or less people. that's how become productive. how you become more productive. there reason why we have there is a reason why we have a tractor in a field now lifting potatoes up rather than 100 men up, breaking the bank. that's more and we have to

more productive and we have to do with society as well . do that with society as well. >> do you that it's too >> do you think that it's too late for the conservatives? i know, i know. you're a glass half full individual, but the polling pretty polling is looking pretty chilling. there's a lot of talk about popularity as a about rishi's popularity as a prime minister isn't very has to be said. conservativehome today. have him down on the canvas. really? yeah. but you know martin as well as i know. >> yes , people are grumpy. >> yes, people are grumpy. people fed up. we've people are a bit fed up. we've beenin people are a bit fed up. we've been in for 13 years. been in power for 13 years. but you what? will tend you know what? people will tend to judge political parties probably on the last six months of they will look of government. they will look at what their what they've got in their pocket. they pocket. they are looking if they can place, they'll can get a school place, they'll look. can get a doctor's look. if they can get a doctor's appointment, look. if they can get a doctor's appoin are nt, look. if they can get a doctor's appoinare rosy. that last things are rosy. it's that last six months up to the general election, really election, which is really key. so sorted, so if we get this sorted, i think can win the next think we can win the next election. >> so ashfield in 2019, it >> so in ashfield in 2019, it was it was get was really clear it was get brexit . you talking brexit done. you were talking about fact , when about foreign aid. in fact, when your leaflet through my your leaflet come through my mum's like, well, mum's door i was like, well, i can't, i can't beat this bloke. you obviously you know, you're obviously going to but this time to win that seat, but this time around is quite around the landscape is quite different. you see apart different. what do you see apart from has been the from immigration has been the

key going key thing is you're going to fight ashfield well , i mean fight ashfield on well, i mean immigration is the number one issue . issue in my inbox. >> it's notes martin in people's pockets it's always the economy. >> it trumps everything thing. you know people think they're you know if people think they're better think the better off, if people think the future's rosy, if they think the kids have got a good future, they boat , they want to rock the boat, they'll come out and vote for me. looking to get me. and i'm looking to get re—elected on own re—elected basically on my own personal getting re—elected basically on my own prrecord getting re—elected basically on my own prrecord amount getting re—elected basically on my own prrecord amount of getting re—elected basically on my own prrecord amount of investment; a record amount of investment and , you know, being and open, you know, being ashfield born bred and ashfield born and bred and living there my life that living there all my life that people out and put their people come out and put their faith in me. >> party is divided. we've >> the party is divided. we've just and there's just talked about and there's rumbles in the jungle, ins down unden rumbles in the jungle, ins down under. of course there's a lot of talk. in fact, even rishi said, we're a broad church, you know, nigel, you know, like you like i like nigel. do you like nigel. i like nigel. do you think there a future think there could be a future with farage in the big chair? and if so, is that a party you'd welcome? >> well, nigel, he says he's a conservative. i think he is a conservative, actually. he's been the conservative party before. look, if you. if you apply the conservative apply to join the conservative party, move to ashfield

party, if you move to ashfield and join i'll and apply to join in, i'll probably because probably say no because it'll be after my job. but, you know, i think a great conservative think it's a great conservative and think party and i think the party would probably him. and i think the party would pro do ly him. and i think the party would pro do you him. and i think the party would pro do you think him. and i think the party would pro do you think the m. and i think the party would pro do you think the voters would >> do you think the voters would do conservative do you think the conservative voters of whom are saying voters many of whom are saying a lot the conservative lives, lot of the conservative lives, don't like true don't feel like true conservatives, the blue collar conservatives, the blue collar conservatives are the working class you class conservatives? do you think they'd hoover the think they'd hoover up the farage message ? farage message? >> imagine >> maybe. i mean, imagine himself as a true conservative. i think i think he is. he's got a lot i don't agree with everything he says and i don't agree with everything the reform party says. but, know, those party says. but, you know, those are market there, martin, for that sort of politics. and he taps that. and people taps into that. and some people might populist might say it's populist politics. is. politics. i don't say it is. i say, know, if you're saying say, you know, if you're saying things popular, things that are popular, then go for only popular for it. i mean, the only popular because want those because people want those policies. yeah. policies. yeah yeah. >> the top of show, >> now, at the top of the show, lee, before we came down, i put it out to viewers. what lee, before we came down, i put it out you viewers. what lee, before we came down, i put it out you ask?wers. what lee, before we came down, i put it out you ask?wersanderson would you ask? lee anderson i've got lynn. got one question here from lynn. she says, martin, can you please got one question here from lynn. she why;, martin, can you please got one question here from lynn. she why reform n, can you please got one question here from lynn. she why reform arean you please got one question here from lynn. she why reform are notou please got one question here from lynn. she why reform are not attacking ask why reform are not attacking the labour party? if reform could push out labour and become the we would have the opposition, we would have a government and opposition that both want immigration

both allegedly want immigration reform. i guess lynn's point reform. so i guess lynn's point is why are reform having a pop at the when you seem to at the tories when you seem to agree? let's be martin. agree? let's be honest, martin. >> honest. you're a >> let's be honest. you're a political commentator. i know what up and what reform are up to, and i've got great for richard got great respect for richard tice ben habib and nigel, tice and ben habib and nigel, but it's been clear but it's been quite clear from day want labour day one they want a labour government under government and they're under some illusion that a some sort of illusion that a labour will bring in labour government will bring in proportional representation, which at another election in 510 years will give reform 35 years time will give reform 35 votes. but the problem with that sorry, 35 seats, the problem with that when you're when you're 5 million, you're getting 5 million, 6 million get million votes and you get 35 seats, the greens going to seats, the greens are going to get 35 the dems, god get 35 and the lib dems, god forbid, going to get 35, forbid, are going to get 35, then into hung then you're into a hung parliament and coalition territory gets done. >> there's been a lot of talk about people changing parties without going into into any details . is that without going into into any details. is that something without going into into any details . is that something that details. is that something that could happen? >> i've already changed parties once, martin. i changed from the labour party to the conservative party, the conservative party gave a home when was gave me a home when i was politically homeless. they protected wrapped their protected me. they wrapped their arms they gave me a

arms around me. they gave me a chance to stand in my own constituency . in 2019, going constituency. in 2019, i'm going nowhere . and if other people nowhere. and if other people want to move, that's up to them. but don't think they are. but i don't think they are. martin know, by the martin you know, live by the sword, by sword. sword, die by the sword. >> there's people will >> there's a lot of people will be watching this show, lee, that are of yours, but are big fan of yours, but they're about they're they're wobbling about to cross to where place their cross in the conservative the box with the conservative party if you're going to pitch to the many thousands of people watching this show now about why they stick with the true they should stick with the true blues, them? >> i would say to them, martin, before elected, never before i got elected, i'd never been house of commons. been to the house of commons. and i there monday and when i got there the monday morning, green morning, i sit on those green benches single benches, as i do every single day , and i look opposite at the day, and i look opposite at the labour mps. and let me tell you, there's not much talent on those benches i i dread it benches and i dread, i dread it in the future, in maybe a year's time or more, that there could be another hundred of those talentless anti—british you talentless anti —british you know, talentless anti—british you know, the socialists, the, the palestine flag waving, whatever they are . it frightens me to they are. it frightens me to death. it frightens me to death. martin and i would do my utmost

to keep that shower out of power i >>i -- >> i love that you were there. lee anderson fighting talk, as even lee anderson fighting talk, as ever. superb stuff. thanks for joining the studio joining us in the studio today. lee anderson, chairman lee anderson, deputy chairman of the party mp for the conservative party mp for ashfield. moving on, rishi ashfield. okay moving on, rishi sunak could block a 9% increase in the cost of the bbc licence fee. i'm martin daubney on gb news and this is britain's news channel.

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news. >> welcome back 326 you're watching or listening to me? martin daubney on gpb news. now later this hour , i'll have the later this hour, i'll have the latest on the freezing cold weather that's hit parts of the uk and find out you can help uk and find out how you can help nigel farage to crowned the nigel farage to be crowned the king of the jungle. to the king of the jungle. now to the controversy over the bbc licence fee and rishi sunak could block a 9% increase to the cost of that licence fee. at the moment it's £159, but had it been due to go up in line with inflation next april ? what? he likes it next april? what? he likes it here so much he's still here. the deputy chairman of the conservative party, lee anderson, still in studio . anderson, still in the studio. you've your taxi waiting, you've got your taxi waiting, lee. knew you couldn't lee. but i knew you couldn't resist a little resist it. having a little coffee went on the bbc licence fee. it's something you've been very outspoken past very outspoken about in the past in political stance in terms of its political stance , in terms the drama and the , in terms of the drama and the big of people like big salaries of people like captain yeah i think captain lineker. yeah i think maybe a lot of maybe colleagues a lot of colleagues may disagree with me. >> but think it's time >> martin but i think it's time the licence was scrapped.

the bbc licence was scrapped. i think probably product think it's probably only product in this country where you're forced forced to buy. and i forced to forced to buy. and i don't want to buy it. and i've not paid for tv licence for not paid for my tv licence for probably or 5 years and i probably 4 or 5 years now. and i made statement in made that statement in parliament. think when parliament. i think when you look taxpayer, for me is look at the taxpayer, for me is being hoodwinked out. £159 to listen to people like lineker spout his nonsense he gets spout his nonsense and he gets £1.3 million a year i think. and there's other people in the bbc are getting massive salaries when barely afford to when people can barely afford to pay when people can barely afford to pay tv licence . look, it's pay the tv licence. look, it's supposed to be an impartial audience ization. anybody with an ounce of common sense watching news, what they watching the news, what they what they put out, knows it's not impartial. we've seen that over the past few weeks with the nonsense they put in out in israel , and nonsense they put in out in israel, and it's time that it was brought into line and people were given that choice to subscribe to the bbc. and i bet if they did, you know, they wouldn't be paying people £1 million a year. >> and it's interesting, don't you the sorts you think, lee, that the sorts of live in your of people that live in your constituent kc often feel denigrated by the bbc and particularly elder conservatives

who the most likely people who are the most likely people to watch the bbc? my kids don't watch telly. apart from what i'm on. >> and even just the natural concern as well. martin some of the first time tory voters as well. people aren't my parents who the bbc were who are watching the bbc were fed with it. now turn it fed up with it. now they turn it off, they put gb off, they watch, they put gb news news the loop news on gb news is on the loop most time in my parents most of the time in my parents house. don't watch the bbc house. they don't watch the bbc because can see you've got because they can see you've got these middle class lefties that's the news and that's presenting the news and current affairs programmes. the bias is quite plain to see and it puts people off. it's not clever, it's not big, and it's not clever because we'll see in 2027 when it's up for renewal . 2027 when it's up for renewal. the agreement with government , the agreement with government, if it goes to a subscription service, i'm convinced, martin, that there'll be more people watching gb news than there is the bbc. >> like to think >> well, i'd like to think that's but back that's right, but back to the point made before about point we made before about brexit immigration on the brexit and immigration on the bbc. fair say there bbc. also it's fair to say there are still fair tranche of are still a fair tranche of tories that support the bbc and all it stands for is this another wedge issue within the party? is there enough momentum

within the party to pull that royal charter back or or is kind of rattling your sabre on the licence fee capping that enough? i think there's little bit of i think there's a little bit of nostalgia there. >> martin we talk about the bbc, we think about auntie beeb of previous years. a great previous years. it was a great corporation that did great things. was impartial. you things. it was impartial. you know, a similar i'm know, we're of a similar i'm a little bit older than you, but i remember a time in the 70s and 80s when you couldn't 80s growing up when you couldn't for of think which for the life of you think which way presenter or way a tv presenter or a newsreader now newsreader voted, but now it's out for all to see. and out there for all to see. and maybe we are a little bit blinkered. we're harping blinkered. maybe we're harping on of the past that's on for a bbc of the past that's gone. it's quite clear that's gone and it's a different organisation it was many, organisation as it was many, many years ago. organisation as it was many, ma so years ago. organisation as it was many, ma so you'd ago. organisation as it was many, ma so you'd like defund the bbc? >> yeah, i'd like like to >> yeah, i'd like to like it to be subscription service like be a subscription service like and choice, and give people a choice, a clear . if you want to clear choice. if you want to watch it, pay for it. it's as simple as that. martin okay. >> anderson, chairman simple as that. martin okay. >>the anderson, chairman simple as that. martin okay. >>the conservative chairman simple as that. martin okay. >>the conservative mp irman of the conservative party mp for ashfield. again, for ashfield. once again, thanks for joining us on gb news. thank you. now, you. taxi's waiting now, captain, clear captain, you can you can clear off. much. you're off. thank you very much. you're excused. much . excused. thank you very much. there's still to come

there's lots more still to come between now and 4:00, including our will hollis will our reporter will hollis will have all the latest on the chaos caused by heavy snow . but first, caused by heavy snow. but first, here's your latest news headunes here's your latest news headlines sanchez . headlines with tatiana sanchez. >> martin, thank you. your top stories from the newsroom . sir stories from the newsroom. sir keir starmer says a labour government wouldn't put more pressure on taxpayers was speaking at the economy inquiry in london. sir keir has pledged his ministers will be ruthless when comes public spending when it comes to public spending . it's after he accused the tories of letting public finances deteriorate over the last 15 years. but sir keir promised labour would be obsessed with economic growth . obsessed with economic growth. >> if we are privileged enough to be elected next year . the to be elected next year. the quack diagnosis and the search for distractions and excuses, all of that ends because was the defining purpose of the next labour government . the mission labour government. the mission that stands above all others

will be raising britain's productivity growth, a goal that for my labour party will become an obsession while the home secretary is expected to announce new measures to bring down legal migration after record high arrivals to the uk last year. >> it's understood james cleverly will raise the minimum salary requirement for skilled workers from overseas to around £38,000. it follows the prime minister's promise to do what's necessary to bring down net migration after official figures hit a record high of 745,000 last year. downing street says the new measures will focus on clamping down on abuse in the legal migration system . legal migration system. meanwhile it's understood the home secretary will head to rwanda to finalise a new agreement that could see british lawyers advising on asylum cases . downing street has rejected claims it will give rwanda another £15 million to sign the treaty , after reports that it treaty, after reports that it would come in addition to the

existing £140 million scheme. the prime minister says the bbc should be realistic about licence fee increases. it's currently £159 per year, but it's thought the corporation wants to hike the charge by as much as 9% next year to just over £173. the culture secretary , lucy frazer says the planned rise would be very high amid cost of living pressures. gb news understands the broadcaster could be forced to accept a lower increase . you can get more lower increase. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website gbnews.com . visiting our website gbnews.com. for stunning gold and silver coins. >> you'll always value. rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report. >> here's a quick snapshot of today's markets. the pound will buy you $1.2630 and ,1.1664. the

price of gold is £1,623.49 per ounce, and the ftse 100 is at 7512 points. rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report . financial report. >> welcome back. thank you. tatiano. now, anti—terrorism prosecutors have opened an investigation after a man armed with a knife and a hammer killed a german tourist and left two people, including a british man wounded near the eiffel tower in paris on saturday night. organisers and politicians now face questions over security ahead of the 2024 olympics. well, i'm joined now by reporter charlie peters in the studio. charlie, a harrowing incident deau charlie, a harrowing incident dealt with swiftly, but i believe there's another element to this, and that is the french authorities are clamping down on these kind of terror attacks in a way that we don't seem to be able do or don't want to do

able to do or don't want to do in well actually, the in britain. well actually, the day terror attack day before this terror attack happened, the french interior ministry announced that they were deport an uzbek were going to deport an uzbek national france who had been national in france who had been unked national in france who had been linked to terror, organised actions despite the european court of human rights preventing this from taking place. >> now, of course, that is a very significant step by the french authorities override very significant step by the frerechrthorities override very significant step by the frerechr charter; override very significant step by the frerechr charter and )verride very significant step by the frerechr charter and make ie very significant step by the frerechr charter and make a move the echr charter and make a move to do what the interior ministry said priority izing french security and french lives over the human rights of terrorists. now, this comes at a time where much of the continent of europe is slowing down. how it allows migrants into their borders . migrants into their borders. there has been a hardening of the carl heneghan area in many countries, particularly those bordering russia, but also down in the south affected by migration from north africa . and migration from north africa. and much of the justification for the tightening of those borders has been terror related. and france in particular has had a torrid year of terrorism. this attack on saturday, one german

national killed and one british man injured . national killed and one british man injured. it's national killed and one british man injured . it's the second man injured. it's the second terror attack in france where britain's have been hurt. let's not forget, in july, a syrian national on a knife attack in southern france injured a british girl. so a really appalling year for terrorism in france. and it does seem that they've turned a corner under they've turned a corner under the liberal government of emmanuel macron saying, actually, we've got to get these people out of our country . people out of our country. >> charlie peters, thank you for that update . and it begs the that update. and it begs the question, if the question, doesn't it, if the french can override the echr , if french can override the echr, if they terrorists they can kick these terrorists out of their country, why can't we why aren't we doing the same? we're not even a member of the eu anymore. anyway, that's just my thoughts. moving on. heavy rain is expected to hit the uk after harsh wintery conditions over the weekend left many properties the without properties in the uk without power and some unlucky motorists in the lake district stranded in their cars. now the met office has issued nearly 30 flood warnings across the uk , with warnings across the uk, with heavy rain expected across the

country. well, let's cross now to matlock in derbyshire, an area i know very well. now speak to our east mid beds reporter will hollis . will matlock bath? will hollis. will matlock bath? do they will they be taking a bath in rain at this rate ? bath in rain at this rate? >> yes. very pretty and very picturesque, especially with the snow covered hills. but for the drivers and people simply trying to get about to do their shopping is not a nice place to be right now. the snow that has been falling all over, all over the weekend, it started to melt because of the rain that's been coming in. it's sort of a slush, but lots of ice underneath it from where people have been standing on it. and a few people have taken , we'll call it a have taken, we'll call it a tumble in the background. earlier today. it is tumble in the background. earlier today . it is essentially earlier today. it is essentially warning, warning, warning . warning, warning, warning. that's the message that's being put out by the met office and the uk health and security agency. first of all, the met office, there are three yellow weather warnings in place across the yellow weather warning

the uk. a yellow weather warning for ice. that's in the very tip of scotland. there's also a yellow weather warning for rain that's in north east england. places like newcastle and middlesbrough. and then another yellow weather warning for rain down in the south south wales as well as somerset and dorset. and that's where those flood warnings are coming in, brought in by the environment agency. you said 30 a minute ago, i just checked my phone just before we started speaking . it's now 40 or started speaking. it's now 40 or so flood warnings because that rain is so torrential in parts of britain. so that means when you have a flood warning that there is flooding expected. so people should be looking towards their plans . we know their action plans. we know flooding last couple of flooding from the last couple of weeks. we've seen a lot of it recently here britain. the uk recently here in britain. the uk health and security agency. they've put in health alerts for the cold. there's an amber health alert for cold in the north—east of england , for north—east of england, for yorkshire, for the midlands, where i am today. and then a yellow letter warning for parts of the south. that's really for

people that are slightly older as well as people that have cardiovascular problems, health concerns. whenever there is a severe weather like severe cold that we've been experiencing , that we've been experiencing, that's when those health alerts come into place. for people that are a little bit more vulnerable, as vulnerable, homeless people as well. but for people that have been driving, trying to get around on the road , the has around on the road, the rac has said for those people, said that for those people, particularly in the north, it is like driving on an ice rink. a lot of the snow and the ice has gone from parts of central england. but for the northeast, where there's been a lot of problems for the northwest , problems for the northwest, where there's been power cuts, there is some quite difficult last few hours for this weather that we've been experiencing, martin okay. >> we'll hollis, thanks for that update. matlock bath, of course, a fantastic destination for motorcyclists, but won't bother getting the bike out in this weather. stay safe out there, please, you please, everybody. thank you very much, will. now, moving on. sir has had some sir keir starmer has had some harsh words for the tories handung harsh words for the tories handling of the economy today.

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parliament is on track to be the first government in history where standards have where living standards have contracted the words of sir keir starmer earlier , while speaking starmer earlier, while speaking at an event hosted by the economic think tank. the resolution foundation, announcing this is britain going backwards . the labour leader backwards. the labour leader announced that growth is essential, but spending taps won't be turned on in if we are privileged enough to be elected next year . next year. >> the quack diagnosis or the search for distractions and excuses, all of that ends because was the defining purpose of the next labour government . of the next labour government. the mission that stands above all others will be raising britain's productivity growth, a goal that for my labour party will become an obsession . will become an obsession. >> an obsession? well starmers speech follows a report from the think tank which suggests that the uk has experienced 15 years of declining productivity and growth and flatlining wages. but while speaking at the same event

this morning, chancellor jeremy hunt argued that the evidence was an unfair representation of the economy as it was pre his autumn statement for growth way in the long run that you can raise living standards is by raising productivity. >> now, don't blame the >> now, i don't blame the resolution foundation for the fact that they went to print days before the autumn statement. >> but we did introduce in the autumn statement the most competitive business investment release in the world matched only amongst oecd countries by latvia and estonia , with full latvia and estonia, with full expensing , i guess all kicking expensing, i guess all kicking off about the economy. >> and joining me now is gb news economics and business editor liam halligan with on the money . liam halligan with on the money. so liam, first, shots fired in the economics war of the next general election . but who's general election. but who's talking sense starmer talks great rhetoric. is there any detail. >> there's lots of positioning going on here, martin in terms of the economy ahead of a general election pencilled in

maybe for may next year, maybe for october next year, but certainly by this time next year , i think we'll have had a general election almost certainly. >> and what's keir starmer is trying to do , he's he's almost trying to do, he's he's almost saying to the left wing of his labour party attack me, attack me. >> he was in the papers over the weekend lauding margaret thatcher. >> astonishing. >> astonishing. >> crikey. and i know you've been talking about that on your show. >> why is he doing that? >> why is he doing that? >> to up left of his >> to wind up the left of his party. attack him so party. so they attack him so then he can turn around and say to of uk, you see, to the rest of the uk, you see, i'm actually challenging the hard left of my party because i'm on your side. >> did exactly the >> tony blair did exactly the same thing in 94, 95, 96, and i remember it well . remember it well. >> let's see what keir starmer actually said. i've got some quotes here. he said about the economy. we are in a hole, there's no doubt about it. taxes are higher than at any time since the war, none of which was true in 2010, which course, true in 2010, which of course, is labour the election is when labour lost the election . never before is a british government asks its people to pay government asks its people to pay for so little ,

pay so much for so little, saying all that public saying we all know that public services aren't always the best and then keir starmer went on to say , and you alluded to this say, and you alluded to this earlier, economic growth will have to become labour's obsession if we're to turn around it's around the economy. it's sounding truss sounding a bit like liz truss there, isn't this has not there, isn't he? this has not always within the labour always been within the labour party's zone. he's party's comfort zone. what he's trying do, as well as trying to do, as well as attacking , as well as winding up attacking, as well as winding up the left. so they attack him so he can claim that different he can claim that he's different from he'll keep them from them and he'll keep them under also to under wraps. he's also trying to put in the public's mind the idea if there is austerity, if there is low government spending long after the next general election , it's not labour's election, it's not labour's fault. you may remember, i know you're a student of politics quite a few years ago when labour lost in 2010, there was the chief secretary to the treasury. my near namesake , a treasury. my near namesake, a guy treasury. my near namesake, a guy called liam byrne. birmingham mp, and he famously left note out. dear tories , left this note out. dear tories, i'm sorry there's no more money. yeah, right. and i think this is kind of what starmer is trying to do. he's trying to say to the

public, the economy's in the hole. it's because of the tories, it's actually because of the global financial crisis in 2008. never really 2008. we've never really recovered that. and all the recovered from that. and all the spending during the pandemic and all during the all the spending during the pandemic. trying get pandemic. and he's trying to get it public's mind and it into the public's mind and into mind of journalists into the mind of journalists that are a really that they are getting a really bad inheritance. tony blair in 1997 inherited an economy that was in good shape. the public finances were in good shape. after ken clarke stewardship as chancellor and gordon brown could afford to start spending . could afford to start spending. thatis could afford to start spending. that is not the case in 2010. that is not the case in 2010. that year , again, uk's public that year, again, uk's public sector debt was about £650 billion. by the end of this decade, it's going to be 3 trillion. crikey 600 versus three 600 billion versus 3000 billion. so the government won't have much room for manoeuvre whether it's a tory government or a labour government . we're or a labour government. we're already spending about 10% of tax revenue on servicing our pubuc tax revenue on servicing our public debt. so i think this is quite a canny speech by keir starmer and the resolution

foundation. it's run by a guy who used to advise ed miliband, of course, the former labour leader . but i of course, the former labour leader. but i don't think, in fairness to him and he's a decent guy, you could say that their analysis is particularly tea party pre when it comes to the numbers. they tell it as it is . is. >> we're going to want to see some aren't it's all some detail, aren't we? it's all fair saying the biscuit fair and well saying the biscuit tins empty. it their fault. tins empty. it was their fault. it's us, it's nothing to do with us, governor. honest it governor. honest of course it probably was because starmer , probably was because starmer, his backs all of the his party, backs all of the spending the taxes and the spending and the taxes and the printing of money during the covid lockdown. so will it wash just to blame the other lot , or just to blame the other lot, or do we want to see some meat on the what's your actual plan? >> well, election >> well, as the election approaches and as i say, it could be months, it could be could be six months, it could be 11 months, we know or 11 months, we don't know or anything in between as the election approaches. i think that labour are going to come under more and more pressure for to reveal their hand when it comes the details of their comes to the details of their spending they to spending plans. but they say to me, i labour's top me, i talk to labour's top people time. they say to me, i talk to labour's top peo and time. they say to me, i talk to labour's top peo and understandably ey say to me and understandably so, there's way we're going to

there's no way we're going to outline exactly what we're going to do until we publish our manifesto, because tories manifesto, because the tories will just make our policies will just make our best policies and them their manifesto. and put them in their manifesto. what i would say though, is i know labour party at the know the labour party at the highest is considering highest level is considering doing what tony blair and gordon brown again, and they're advised by peter mandelson. now keir starmer write lots of new labour figures , groundhog day knocking figures, groundhog day knocking about. know the labour party about. i know the labour party at the highest level considering matching the tories spending plans and that means that again it will wind up the left of their party because they want much bigger government spending, but be able to say but then they'll be able to say to the public, can't to the public, you can't say that spendthrift, we're that we're spendthrift, we're the actually the labor party. we're actually time a change and we won't time for a change and we won't blow up the economy by spending too much. it's all about positioning and trying to change pubuc positioning and trying to change public perceptions of the labour party. >> superb. now is this as ever liam halligan always on the money thanks, mate. cheers. now to alarming on the to some alarming figures on the uk's obesity crisis. it's costing country almost £100 costing the country almost £100 billion a year. two thirds of

british people are now overweight. and i'm joined by steve miller, who is a weight loss expert who used to present fat families . steve, i've been fat families. steve, i've been looking forward to talking to you all day on because you all day on this because i know you're to talk know you're going to talk straight and i know you're going to common sense. to talk some common sense. the fact matter we are fact of the matter is we are getting a nation. we getting bigger as a nation. we are second only to are now ranked second only to the sized united states of the super sized united states of america . and yet the plans that america. and yet the plans that are coming out of this is ban fast food, more taxation. surely the solution is a bit more tough love with the public? >> oh, there's no doubt. i mean , >> oh, there's no doubt. i mean, we've developed a developed a culture where it's kind of cool to be a chubster and we've been doing that for quite a long time now . how. >> now. >> and like i've said many times , we've gone from the normal catwalk to the fat walk. we unfortunate in the uk have normalised obesity. now don't get me wrong , there are a get me wrong, there are a certain amount of people that struggle emotionally and psychologically hinckley. but from my experience of 20 years,

i can tell you now that the vast majority of people are too fat because they haven't got the self—motivation . and quite self—motivation. and quite frankly, frankly, they need a rocket. now, i understand that there is all this talk about fat tax, but you see it failed completely in denmark. it was a completely in denmark. it was a complete and utter disaster after it increased inflation. and the report, 18 months on from implementing this fat tax , from implementing this fat tax, it was clear that 80% of people had not changed their eating habhs had not changed their eating habits for the better. it was a flop, so they ditched it . and flop, so they ditched it. and frankly, i think right now the last thing the british public needis last thing the british public need is yet more tax from this from this lot, because they seem to be high. well, they're high on woke and high on tax, aren't they? so, yes, we do need a bit of tough love as well. absolutely >> okay, steve, we've only got about 30s. but if you are in control, what would you do? >> oh, i would get rid of all

this woke culture. absolutely. i'd also on a on a positive i would partner the supermarket as well to close that excuse that it costs too much to eat healthily because that's a load of old baloney when you look down deep. so yes, there's lots we can do . and also, i would ban we can do. and also, i would ban all of this plus size modelling claptrap up, you know, where if you're happy and you're fat, you clap your hands in a magazine. >> on steve miller , always >> on steve miller, always a pleasure. thank you so much for joining us. i've been looking forward to all and you forward to that all day. and you delivered. ever. delivered. thank you as ever. superb colleague, superb stuff. now, my colleague, nigel farage is, course, nigel farage is, of course, currently starring a currently starring in i'm a celebrity and the king of brexit wants to become the king of the jungle. he has this message for you. asking you to vote. you. i'm asking you to vote. >> remain. >> remain. >> no, seriously . a vote for me >> no, seriously. a vote for me to remain in the jungle now. the easiest way to do it is to get the i'm a celebrity app that gives you five free votes . gives you five free votes. >> or you can phone or text out and there we go. >> if you wanted redditors to

vote for farage, you need to grab your phone scan that qr code that's on screen right now. and download the app as nigel just said, you can vote for him five times per day and that's free now , the home secretary, free now, the home secretary, james cleverly is set to announce plans to reduce legal migration will be live to bring you that gb news. later on, we'll cross over to the house of commons for that. the big question is, will it be enough? will it be too little, too late? i put it to lee anderson, deputy chairman of the party early on. he thinks there's still time to turn around . what do you turn it around. what do you think will there be enough today for this to satiate you ? we'll for this to satiate you? we'll have all that later. i'm martin daubney lee on gb news and this is britain's news channel. a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. with the gb news forecast , it stays

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gb news. >> welcome to the show. it's 4:00. this is gb news. and i'm martin daubney loads coming up in the next two hours. this our top story is today do or die time for the conservatives. once again on migration. we're crossing shortly to the commons. james cleverly is about to give a speech setting out some key details on salary caps, on migration caps, on dependence, on rwanda. will it work or is it too little, too late ? next story too little, too late? next story the bbc licence fee. what do you think about it? rishi sunak has said he's going to cap it and not put through a 9% inflation busting rise to that. but do you think it's actually had its day? is it unfair ? does it prop up is it unfair? does it prop up people like gary lineker? is it unfair when pensioners get

threatened with jail? has it simply had its day ? let us know. simply had its day? let us know. and of course , in the jungle, and of course, in the jungle, down under another rumble in the jungle, nine dull lives to fight again. another day . frankie again. another day. frankie dettori the first faller in the race to be the king of the jungle. and we're going to show you how you can help the farage to become the king of the jungle. your country needs you. that's all coming up in the next hour. that's all coming up in the next hour . love the christmas tree , hour. love the christmas tree, by the way. no expense spared on that front. get in touch on the immigration issue . more rhetoric immigration issue. more rhetoric or will it actually deliver? will be crossing in about 20 minutes or so to the comments to find out more lows coming up in the show. but first, here's your latest news headlines with polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> martin, thank you and good

afternoon to you. well, the top story from the newsroom is that the home secretary is expected to announce new measures to bnng to announce new measures to bring down legal migration after record high arrivals into the uk last year . record high arrivals into the uk last year. it's understood james cleverly will raise the minimum salary requirement for skilled workers from overseas to around £38,000 a year. >> that follows the prime minister's promise to do what's necessary to bring down net migration after official figures hit a record . high of 745,000 hit a record. high of 745,000 last year. downing street says the new measures will focus on reducing abuse of the legal migration system . meanwhile, migration system. meanwhile, downing street has rejected claims that the government will give rwanda another £15 million to sign a new immigration treaty. it's understood the home secretary is close to finalising the plan after the supreme court ruled against it in november. the agreement could see british lawyers sent to rwanda to advise

judges on asylum cases . the judges on asylum cases. the prime minister has said the bbc should be realistic about how much people can afford, amid reports of a planned increase to the television licence fee. it's currently stands at £159 a year, but it's thought the corporation wants to hike the charge from 1325 to £14 a month. that's a 9% increase. the culture secretary, lucy frazer says . lucy frazer lucy frazer says. lucy frazer says the planned rise would be very high amid cost of living pressures. gb news understands the broadcaster could be forced to accept a lower increase as sir keir starmer has said, a labour government wouldn't put more pressure on taxpayers. speaking at the economy inquiry in london today, sir keir pledged his ministers will be ruthless when it comes to public spending. it's after he accused the tories of letting public finances deteriorate over the last 15 years. but sir keir

promised labour would be obsessed with economic growth . obsessed with economic growth. >> if we are privileged enough to be elected next year. the diagnosis, the search for distractions and excuses . all of distractions and excuses. all of that ends because the defining purpose of the next labour government, the mission that stands above all others , will be stands above all others, will be raising britain's productivity growth. a goal that for my labour party will become an obsession . sir keir starmer now obsession. sir keir starmer now the president of cop28 the climate summit in dubai, says he's surprised by reports suggesting that he had denied a key aspect of climate science, such ltn al—jaber was criticised in november after he said there was no scientific basis for limiting a rise in global temperatures to 1.5. >> but speaking at the summit today, he said his comments had been taken out of context . first

been taken out of context. first in an attempt to undermine the aim of the conference. and he reiterated his full belief in climate science . climate science. >> and i have repeatedly said in many occasions and in many different platforms that it is the science that have guided the principles of our strategy . we, principles of our strategy. we, as cop28 presidency . and i have as cop28 presidency. and i have been very crystal clear about that. been very crystal clear about that . and i hope that this time that. and i hope that this time i am clearer in getting this message across . message across. >> now, the ministry of defence is planned for new weapons, has a budget black hole of £169 a budget black hole of £16.9 billion. the national audit office said the mod's ten year programme until 2033 was just unaffordable bill and the projected deficit is the biggest since 2012. it puts the estimated cost at more than £300 billion against a budget of just

over. billion against a budget of just over . 288 billion billion against a budget of just over. 288 billion being billion against a budget of just over . 288 billion being well, over. 288 billion being well, almost . £4 billion is being put almost. £4 billion is being put into a rail project for the north of england. ministers are promising to invest £3.9 billion to upgrade the trans pennine route, connecting manchester, huddersfield, leeds and york . huddersfield, leeds and york. that's after the prime minister scrapped the northern leg of hs2 between manchester and birmingham earlier on this year. a number of conservative mps are calling for a new body to help infected blood victims, with some backbenchers set to join forces with labour on payouts over the scandal. thousands of people contracted hiv and hepatitis after being given contaminated blood products in the 1970s and 80 ends, reports suggest that ministers are unlikely to shift their positions, while the inquiry is ongoing, but shadow chancellor rachel reeves confirmed labour will support any amendment with a body created to pay out compensation . we weathernews

compensation. we weathernews news and nearly 30 flood warnings have been issued as the risk of snow subsides across the country. heavy rain, though, is now expected across large parts of the united kingdom as it follows a night of subzero temperatures and heavy snowfall in the north, with nearly 40 schools closed in cumbria in the lake district, the yellow alerts for rain are in place across southern england, south—east wales and the midlands until 6:00 tonight. and there's a yellow rain warning also in place for the north—east of england until 9:00 tomorrow morning with gb news across the uk on your tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . this is britain's news channel. >> thank you very much, polly. now we start with the migrant crisis once again and the home secretary , james cleverly, is secretary, james cleverly, is set announce plans to reduce set to announce plans to reduce legal . we will bring

legal migration. we will bring you that live on gb news crossing over shortly, but before that, i'm joined by our political editor christopher hope.chnsifs political editor christopher hope. chris it's groundhog day once again . hope. chris it's groundhog day once again. number 10 hope. chris it's groundhog day once again . number 10 started once again. number 10 started the morning saying we need to reduce immigration significantly and said in the short term, the home secretary james cleverly expected to speak soon. any idea of what might be on the table ? of what might be on the table? >> yeah , we're hearing from the >> yeah, we're hearing from the home secretary, james cleverly shortly in about 20 minutes time, he'll set out plans here to lift uk as legally. so the government is concerned by the big increase in net migration. that's the numbers of my migrants who arrive here more than those who leave. it was more than 700,000 in the year to the end of last december. that's more than three times the 219,000. it was back in 2019. so the idea is to try and bring that down in what are they going to do is lift the qualifying salary required to stay here up from around 26,000 a year to

£38,000 a year. that's more like a graduate salary. so essentially revert back to where this level was back in 2016 before the referendum . the idea before the referendum. the idea there being it becomes more of a graduate visa. so if you get if you get a degree , you can you get a degree, you can command a salary of that of a starting salary of that level, which means you have a more of a qualified migrant coming here. that's what's happening today, along with measures to control the numbers of migrants who can bnngin the numbers of migrants who can bring in their family members. they're bring down they're trying to bring down that because it's that big number because it's three than it was at three times more than it was at the same election the election. the same election when tories said it would when the tories said it would fall and hasn't worked, fall. and that hasn't worked, has ? has it? >> thank t“ t-— >> okay. thank you very much for that chopper. we'll cross back to you later for some more reaction we've heard from reaction once we've heard from mr , as you say, in mr cleverly due, as you say, in about 20 minutes time. now about 15, 20 minutes time. now earlier in the show, tory deputy chairman lee anderson admitted that the conservatives have failed control . that the conservatives have failed control. immigration failed to control. immigration >> blake martin we cannot let this go on. it's unsustainable.

the figures are more than alarming . you know, the people alarming. you know, the people in this country are a little bit fed up. we've promised all governments have promised really to bring migration down. we've not we've failed . and it's not we've failed. and it's increasing pressures on public services. as you know , in my services. as you know, in my area, i showed you know it very well, from neck of well, martin, from that neck of the , you know, try get the woods, you know, try and get a appointment, try and a doctor's appointment, try and get into school, try get your kid into school, try and dental appointment. and get that dental appointment. it's difficult. it's very, very difficult. and people little people are getting a little bit angry they're grumpy angry. they're very grumpy and they now with the they fed up. now with with the migration as they are, migration figures as they are, they want to see action and quite astonishing . quite rightly so, astonishing. >> at the weekend, keir starmer flashing his garter to the red wall, saying that the tories have betrayed voters on immigration and brexit. you might have a few words to say about that. >> well, i mean another bandwagon persecuted leap bandwagon persecuted to leap on. it's sir flip flop we call it's sir flip flop as we call him. look he's playing politics. even thatcher now. i see even a thatcher right now. i see in this this is in the papers this this week is claiming a big fan of claiming to be a big fan of margaret thatcher. think margaret thatcher. i don't think anybody seriously. the anybody takes him seriously. the thing is, martin, i'm out thing is, martin, when i'm out and knocking

and about in ashfield knocking on speaking to real on doors and speaking to real people the real world, yes, people in the real world, yes, they're a little bit grumpy with those migration line, those over the migration line, but no love starmer. but there's no love for starmer. we just in azure we earn it not just in azure but all over the country. it's seen as little bit slippery. as being a little bit slippery. he'll bandwagon he'll jump on any bandwagon possible when he possible and you know, when he starts lead on starts taking the lead on migration, this is a man who wants open borders, by the wants to open borders, by the way, you know, a big brexiteer who the who voted against leaving the european numerous european union on numerous occasions. nobody him occasions. nobody takes him seriously he good stuff, as eve r. >> even >> well, i'm joined now by former conservative minister ann widdecombe. ann, thanks for coming on the show. it's widdecombe. ann, thanks for coming on the show . it's always widdecombe. ann, thanks for c(pleasure. the show . it's always widdecombe. ann, thanks for c(pleasure. it; show . it's always widdecombe. ann, thanks for c(pleasure. it might . it's always widdecombe. ann, thanks for c(pleasure. it might be 's always widdecombe. ann, thanks for c(pleasure. it might be a always widdecombe. ann, thanks for c(pleasure. it might be a goodys a pleasure. it might be a good place to start before start place to start before we start looking detail looking ahead to some detail potentially later on from james cleverly , this notion that keir cleverly, this notion that keir starmer is channelling his inner maggie thatcher. i mean , you maggie thatcher. i mean, you served under mrs. thatcher. what on earth do you think's going on with keir starmer when he says things this? things like this? >> starmer no inner >> well, starmer has no inner thatcher. i can tell you that right now . thatcher was made of right now. thatcher was made of absolute steel. she was called the iron lady and for a good

reason, which was that she had an agenda and she pursued it and she pursued it through all difficulties. and against all opposition. some of it from within her own party. now, starmer is the exact opposite and starmer will announce a policy and five minutes later he'll go into complete reverse. and if you look at some of the things he said about thatcher in the past, they haven't suggested it. and certainly don't suggest to me that he is , as you know, to me that he is, as you know, particularly keen to follow her example . so what's this about? example. so what's this about? it's about trying to appeal to tories , but it's so nakedly tories, but it's so nakedly transparent that no, tory is going to be appealed to by that . going to be appealed to by that. >> okay, ann. and looking ahead to shortly, we're going to be crossing to the commons. james cleverly expected to put some flesh on the bones about it controlling immigration salary caps, bringing down numbers , caps, bringing down numbers, dependent caps. the big question , ann, is have we heard all this before? is this yet more rhetoric at the 11th hour? do

you think it's too little, too late to save the conservatives >> we've heard it all before. and if this is what they wanted to do , they've had , you know, at to do, they've had, you know, at least four years in which to do it. some would argue that they've had 13, but they've certainly had since boris johnson claimed to have delivered brexit, they've had four years in which they could have done any of these things. this is pre—election panic. that is what it is. and i can see some of it collapsing in the first five minutes. i mean, graduate salaries are all very well what about care workers, of which we have a massive shortage and so what i will be expecting to hear actually i won't be expecting it. i will be hoping to hear, but not necessarily expecting is a what are the measures that he's also going to take alongside the measures he's announced thing to scale our own workforce so that we don't need to rely on foreign labour. i can

see it all falling apart in very short order and ann, we heard earlier about in france, there was a terror attack at the eiffel tower on saturday. >> but we learned that a terrorist from a previous attack has been deported . ed the echr has been deported. ed the echr weren't consulted by the french . weren't consulted by the french. no lawyers got in the way. they simply got rid of somebody they thought they saw as a threat to their nation. the big question is if the french can do it, why on earth can't the british? >> well, we should have done the very first time that an echr judge said that we couldn't do the rwanda deportations, for example . we should have just example. we should have just gone ahead because those judgements from echr are merely advisory of course, we've now got, as a result of all the dhhenng got, as a result of all the dithering and delay, we've now got a judgement from our own courts , which is not advisory . i courts, which is not advisory. i mean that judgement we do have to . so it looks if the to follow. so it looks as if the government is trying to concoct a plan which would make rwanda ,

a plan which would make rwanda, it's rwanda plan compatible with what the supreme court asks . i what the supreme court asks. i foresee without any great difficulty , a whole load of difficulty, a whole load of legal challenges ahead. this will not be implemented before the next election . the next election. >> as we've been talking about, maggie thatcher as starmer is trying to concoct his inner thatcher as we're about to learn what the tories plan to do . and what the tories plan to do. and actually this simple question what do you think maggie thatcher would have done about the small boats crisis? what would maggie thatcher have done about the huge number of legal visas coming in through the front door? well with illegal visas, that's easily enough. >> she would have changed the terms , which is now what the terms, which is now what the government is planning to do. she think, have she would also, i think, have clamped down on the of clamped down on the number of dependents and i would hope and i haven't this trailed at i haven't heard this trailed at all, i would hope that he's all, but i would hope that he's going to look at student visas and worthwhileness of the and at the worthwhileness of the courses which students come over here to study. they should only be coming over here to study very , very serious subjects ,

very, very serious subjects, medicine, engineering. so serious subjects they can then take the skills back to their own country. not not mickey mouse stuff. but as far as the boats go, i think mrs. thatcher would have said, right, well, the instant you put on our shores, will be detained in shores, you will be detained in secure accommodation. you will be assessed quickly and you will be assessed quickly and you will be sent back. if you don't meet the criteria instead which be sent back. if you don't meet the lay eria instead which be sent back. if you don't meet the lay ona instead which be sent back. if you don't meet the lay on hoteltead which be sent back. if you don't meet the lay on hotel rooms. which be sent back. if you don't meet the lay on hotel rooms. some of we lay on hotel rooms. some of them really rather fancy hotels. >> yeah , there's a feeling of >> yeah, there's a feeling of rolling out the red carpet. >> another thing that i think really is sticking in the craw of conservative voters, especially of the huge number of dependents , and that we see dependents, and that we see coming over 9000, 6000 dependents for student visas. in what planet is it a good idea to allow 96,000 children, wives, husbands and whomever to come to britain on on the on the clothes, on the tailgate of students suffering studying here? surely the answer is just

to clamp down on those dependent visas altogether? >> well, i think one has to be reasonable about this. i mean, if a student is over here for some years , it is probably some years, it is probably unreasonable to say, well, he can't have his wife with him. and very often and i've seen this , the wife or some this happen, the wife or some cases, it might be the husband and the wife be the student, the other partner actually takes a job and works, which means that we get the taxes and we get the national insurance payments . but national insurance payments. but when, of course , they bring over when, of course, they bring over children and particularly if they bring over a large number of children, then what happens is that instead of we getting the taxes and the insurance, we're shelling out, the education, we're shelling out the health services and it puts a very different complexion on it. so i think we've got to go fairly carefully with this one, do it , but do fairly carefully with this one, do it, but do it and make it horses for courses, not a blanket decision either way .

blanket decision either way. >> do you think this issue is now enveloping the conservatives so much that of immigration that in a way, keir starmer is able to constantly dodge the bullet and not give any ideas or any details of his own? there's almost a sense that they can just let the conservative waves sing as they've hit the iceberg of immigration. or do you think, as lee anderson said earlier on, come the general election, the labour party will need to give us some proper detail to see what the difference is between the parties as well. the two parties as well. >> certainly labour's going to have to produce a manifesto, so it's to have to give some it's going to have to give some clear , clear evidence as to what clear, clear evidence as to what direction it's taking. it will have to if it's to campaign , it have to if it's to campaign, it can't go campaigning on or we don't know what we're going to don't know what we're going to do to get what it can do is to do to get what it can do is to do what. blair very, very cleverly did, which was refuse to give any economic promises other than that he would keep the tax and spend programmes intact for a couple of years until, as he put it, he had had

a chance to really examine the books. and i think keir starmer is likely to say, come the election, well, we hope to do this, but we need to look at the books or we hope to do this , but books or we hope to do this, but we need to look at the legal position . you know, there's position. you know, there's always going to be a qualification there and believe me, on the performance at the moment, if he comes out with a policy and that policy creates a backlash, he'll reverse it. the very next day , he'll reverse it very next day, he'll reverse it and there was news out this morning that 52 and rising conservative mps don't even plan to stand at the next general election. >> the second highest number of those jumping ship since 1997, since the blair wipe—out . with since the blair wipe—out. with that in mind, and also the fact immigration seems to be such a huge, huge issue, do you think immigration will be the issue that sinks sunak ? that sinks sunak? >> oh, i think immigration has probably already sunk him

because there's nothing he can do in the time that's left and he hasn't shown any real will to tackle it and to really get to gnps tackle it and to really get to grips with it . so, i tackle it and to really get to grips with it. so, i mean, he's only just the only thing he really has produced that's different is the rwanda plan. and that is we know so far, at any rate, has gone absolutely nowhere. so i think he's already sunk. and i'm not surprised that conservatives are jumping ship. they can see the polls. they know what's going to happen, why not make preparations to earn a living rather than stand and find that on the night suddenly you haven't got a seat . you haven't got a seat. >> and there's lots of rumbles from the jungle. of course , from the jungle. of course, nigel is down under and rishi is talking about we're a broad church. don't rule anything out. they seem to be keeping the catflap for a farage return catflap open for a farage return is that something you think is an option? and is it something that may woo the electorate? is that may woo the electorate? is that the answer to the tories woes ? woes? >> well, i'm afraid i really don't think it's at all likely

that nigel farage will be leading conservatives into leading the conservatives into the but he'll the next election. but he'll certainly be extremely active in reform and in getting the message off, getting the message out on immigration, on on low taxes , on law and order and taxes, on law and order and i think most conservatives will say, oh, dear , i do wish he was say, oh, dear, i do wish he was leading us okay. >> and whittaker , always >> and whittaker, always a pleasure never having you on the show. thank you very much for joining us this afternoon on gb news. it'sjust joining us this afternoon on gb news. it's just always great to talk anne. don't forget, she talk to anne. don't forget, she served many served under thatcher for many years. what would have years. she knows what would have been these days. been done these days. and i think people out there think a lot of people out there who conservative, who who vote conservative, who watch shows just think, you shows like this just think, you know, can't have bit of know, why can't we have a bit of that spirit coming back? that kind of spirit coming back? and it's for starmer and it's okay for starmer to channel inner maggie, but channel his inner maggie, but really, are his ideas? i really, what are his ideas? i think we're just waiting to see, aren't well we'll have lots aren't we? well we'll have lots more on that story at 5:00. and there's plenty of coverage on our , gbnews.com. and our website, gbnews.com. and you've to make it the you've helped to make it the fastest growing national news website in the country. so thank you very much , all of you, for

you very much, all of you, for making that happen. now, rishi sunak could block a 9% increase in the cost of the bbc licence fee. that's coming up. i'm martin daubney on gb news and this is britain's news channel .

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martin daubney on gb news. now, in a few minutes, we'll bring you james cleverly's big speech on immigration live from the commons and find out how you can help. nigel farage be crowned the king of the jungle down unden the king of the jungle down under. now to the controversy over the bbc light science fee and rishi sunak could block a 9% increase in the cost of that licence fee. at the moment, it's £159 a year, but it had been due to go up in line with inflation in next april to push it up to about £174 as well. i'm joined now by rebecca ryan, who's the campaign director at defund the bbc. good afternoon to you, rebecca. always a pleasure to see you. how are you keeping now 7 see you. how are you keeping now ? i'm obviously the clue of where you stand on this is in your name defund the bbc. so tell us why tinkering with the fee or capping the fee in your opinion, isn't the right approach ? approach? >> well, absolutely . >> well, absolutely. >> well, absolutely. >> what the bbc are trying to do

here is just plug the gaps on, you know , where people are. you know, where people are. >> we're seeing almost half a million people each year or households a year, should i say , households a year, should i say, cancelling their licence fee, saying know what, i don't saying you know what, i don't need to for any more. need to pay for this any more. being outraged by the lack of being so outraged by the lack of representation the bbc, by representation by the bbc, by this of woke pushing that this sort of woke pushing that they managed to shoehorn into every drama, every storyline, every drama, every storyline, every everything . and people are every everything. and people are cancelling their licence fees by in droves . and basically the bbc in droves. and basically the bbc sort of saying rather than making any cutbacks rather than listening in any seriousness to what the british people are saying , they're just going to saying, they're just going to crank up the licence fee as high as they possibly can. and it's just an outrage really. and the bbc needs to sort of get with the digital age and realise that, you know, this the licence fees days are numbered. they're going to have to find other ways of funding themselves. >> rebecca a lot of people >> now. rebecca a lot of people would say, well, it's only £0.50 a for a licence fee . people

a day for a licence fee. people pay a day for a licence fee. people pay for news , they pay for pay for sky news, they pay for satellite tv , they pay for satellite tv, they pay for netflix , they pay for many netflix, they pay for many subscription models. so £0.50 a day, the bbc represents good value for money. what would you say to that ? say to that? >> i mean, i think it represents good for value money. if you agree with what the bbc saying, you if you're a middle agree with what the bbc saying, you person you're a middle agree with what the bbc saying, you person living a middle agree with what the bbc saying, you person living in middle class person living in islington, probably, probably islington, i probably, probably is great for money for is great value for money for you. for the average person you. but for the average person living outside of the m25 in the uk , it isn't great value for uk, it isn't great value for money because they're literally, you shoehorned in this you know, shoehorned in this sort of metropolitan kind of ideology down people's throats . ideology down people's throats. and that's why people, you know, we had the ofcom report out only last week that showed even from ofcom that they were admitting, you know, working class people do not feel represented by the bbc because you know what they're doing the bbc is desperately trying to reach out to this youth audience .

to this youth audience. and they're coming up with all this sort of woke ideology and shoehorning it into everything. but young just but actually, young people just don't watch live broadcast tv anymore. youtube. don't watch live broadcast tv anymwatch, youtube. don't watch live broadcast tv anymwatch, know, outube. don't watch live broadcast tv anymwatch, know, theire. they watch, you know, their content in all sorts of different places that you different other places that you don't and different other places that you d01the and different other places that you d01the who and different other places that you d01the who paying1d different other places that you d01the who paying for so the people who are paying for the bbc, which are people generally over in generally sort of over in over 50, this 50, are stuck with this kind of content doesn't represent 50, are stuck with this kind of conteiin doesn't represent 50, are stuck with this kind of conteiin any doesn't represent 50, are stuck with this kind of conteiin any way.n't represent 50, are stuck with this kind of conteiin any way.n't reit'ssent 50, are stuck with this kind of conteiin any way.n't reit's really them in any way. and it's really an injustice. >> and also that >> and rebecca, also in that ofcom interesting ofcom report, it was interesting to in to note something that sticks in people's the massive people's craw is the massive salaries that bbc presenters get paid. and of course in particular saints. lineker how much of that is an issue from what you hear on the ground ? what you hear on the ground? >> oh, massively . i mean, every >> oh, massively. i mean, every time gary lineker makes a, you know, a tweet, a woke tweet on on the new platform, as it's now called , we get we get massively called, we get we get massively inundated with new supporters. you know , his behaviour , you you know, his behaviour, you know, is great for defund the bbc and then people come to us and they realise that actually they don't have to keep paying

his enormous salary and listen to his opinions on all sorts of things left, right and centre. >> great rebecca ryan , >> great stuff. rebecca ryan, who's the campaign director at defund the bbc. thanks for joining us on show. always joining us on the show. always a pleasure. course, don't pleasure. and of course, don't forget, complains that forget, everyone complains that the politically biased . the bbc is politically biased. corbynistas did boris corbynistas did. so did boris johnson. voters, everyone seems to complain about it, but nevertheless, people nevertheless, a lot of people seem with their seem to be voting with their their wallets. so let us know what think. gb views is at what you think. gb views is at gbnews.com now. my colleague nigel farage is of course currently starring in i'm a celebrity and the king of brexit wants to become the king of jungle. and he's got this special message for you . special message for you. >> i'm asking you to vote. >> i'm asking you to vote. >> remain no, seriously, vote for me to remain in the jungle. now. the easiest way to do it is to get the i'm a celebrity app that gives you five free votes . that gives you five free votes. or you can phone or text . or you can phone or text. >> now, if you want to register to vote for farage, you'll need to vote for farage, you'll need to grab your phone and scan that

qr code that's on your screen right there now. and download the itv. i'm a celebrity app as nigel just said, you can vote for him five times per day . and for him five times per day. and the first five votes are free. so come on, if you want to keep nigel in the jungle, get clicking your country needs you now. there's lots more still to come between now and 5:00. remember, we'll bring you james cleverly's big speech on immigration live shortly. but first, here's your latest news headunes first, here's your latest news headlines with polly middlehurst i >> -- >> martin, thank you. the headunes >> martin, thank you. the headlines this hour. sir keir starmer says a labour government wouldn't put more pressure on taxpayers . is speaking at the taxpayers. is speaking at the economy inquiry in london. earlier on today, sir keir pledged his ministers will be ruthless when it comes to public spending. that's after he accused the tories of letting pubuc accused the tories of letting public finances deteriorate over the last 15 years. but sir keir

starmer, keir starmer . promised starmer, keir starmer. promised labour would be obsessed with economic growth. >> if we are privileged enough to be elected next year. the diagnosis, the search for distractions and excuses . all of distractions and excuses. all of that ends because the defining purpose of the next labour government, the mission that stands above all others , is will stands above all others, is will be raising britain's productivity growth , a goal that productivity growth, a goal that for my labour party will become an obsession . an obsession. >> well, as we've been saying all afternoon, we are expecting the home secretary, james cleverly, to stand up in the house of commons and about house of commons and talk about legal you legal migration. let's take you live the commons, where live now to the commons, where we believe the home secretary is standing up and ready to talk. just three weeks ago, i have been determined to crack down on those who try and jump the queue and exploit our immigration system . system. >> i've been working closely with my right honourable friend, >> i've been working closely witiimmigrationonourable friend, >> i've been working closely witiimmigration ministers friend, >> i've been working closely witi immigration minister , friend, >> i've been working closely witiimmigration minister , onend, the immigration minister, on this subject . the recent figures

this subject. the recent figures from the ons show a provisional estimate of net migration for the year ending june 2023 of 672,000. >> and whilst this is lower than the ons estimate for net migration for the year ending december 2022, it is still far too high when our country voted too high when our country voted to leave the european union, we also voted to take back control of our borders . of our borders. >> and thanks to this conservative government we now have a points based immigration system through which we can control who comes to the uk . we control who comes to the uk. we prioritise the skills and talent that we need to grow our economy and to support our nhs. and we have a competitive visa system for globally mobile talent, for example , last year we expanded example, last year we expanded our health worker visa access to

address the urgent need for more social care workers as the whole country can also be proud that in the last decade we have welcomed more than half a million people through humanitarian routes. >> people from ukraine, from hong kong, from afghanistan, including 85,000 from ukraine and hong kong . and hong kong. >> in the last year alone , the >> in the last year alone, the british people will always do the right thing by those in need , but they also and they are absolutely right to want to reduce overall immigration numbers, not only by stopping the boats and shutting down illegal routes , but by well illegal routes, but by well managed reduction in legal migration to people are understandably worried about housing, about gp appointments, about school places and access to other public services is when

they can see their communities growing and growing quickly in numbers . numbers. >> from january 2020. >> from january 2020. >> for the right for international students to bring, dependants will be removed unless they are on postgraduate courses designated as a research programme . programme. >> we always want to attract out the global brightest and best. >> we have also stopped international students from switching out of the student route into work routes before their studies have been completed. >> these changes will have a tangible impact on net migration i >> -- >> madam deputy speaker, around 153,000 visas were granted to dependants of sponsored students in the year ending september 20th, 23. >> today i can announce that we will go even further than those provisions already in place with a five point plan to further kerb immigration abuses , and kerb immigration abuses, and that will deliver the biggest

ever reduction in net migration . ever reduction in net migration. >> in total, this package , plus >> in total, this package, plus our reduction in student dependents, dependants will mean around 300,000 fewer people will come in future years than have come in future years than have come to the uk last year. these measures are possible because we are building up our domestic workforce and supporting british workers . thanks to the excellent workers. thanks to the excellent workers. thanks to the excellent work of my right honourable friend, the work and pensions secretary are back to work plan will help people stay healthy, get off benefits and move into sustainable employment. it builds on the ambitious. £7 billion employment package from the spring budget to help up to 1.1 million people with long term health conditions , term health conditions, disabilities or who have been on long term unemployed to look for work to get into work to and stay in work . we're also

stay in work. we're also investing heavily in helping adults learn valuable skills and prepare for the economy of the future . future. >> and of course, madam deputy speaker , we have world class speaker, we have world class university that help in that endeavour. endeavoun >> soi endeavoun >> so i have a five point plan. the first of our five points will be to end the abuse of the health and care visa. we will stop overseas care workers from bringing family dependants and we will require care firms in england to be regulated by the care quality commission in order for them to sponsor visas . for them to sponsor visas. approximately 120,000 dependants s are accompanied 100,000 care workers and senior care workers in the year ending september 2023, over only 25% of defendant dependent s are estimated to be in work, meaning a significant number are drawing on public

services rather than helping to grow the economy . grow the economy. >> we recognise we recognise that foreign workers do great at work in our nhs and health sector, but it is also important that migrants make a big enough financial contribution . financial contribution. therefore, we will increase s annual immigration health surcharge this year by 66% for £624 to £1,035 to raise on average around £13 billion for the health services of this country. every year. second, we will stop immigration undercutting the salary of british workers . we will british workers. we will increase the skilled worker earnings threshold by a third to 38,700 from next spring in line with the median full term wage

for those kinds of jobs , those for those kinds of jobs, those coming on health and social care visa routes will be exempt. so we can continue to bring in the health care workers on which our care sector and nhs rely . care sector and nhs rely. thirdly, we will scrap cut price shortage labour from overseas as by ending the 20% going rate salary discount for shortage occupations and reforming the shortage occupation list. i have asked the migration advisory committee to review the occupations on this list because of our new higher skilled worker salary thresholds and we will create a new immigration salary list with a reduced number of occupations in coordination with the mac . fourthly we will ensure the mac. fourthly we will ensure people only bring dependants who they can support financially by raising the minimum income for family visas to the same

threshold as the minimum salary threshold as the minimum salary threshold for skilled workers , threshold for skilled workers, which 38,700 the minimum income requirement of 18,600 has not beenin requirement of 18,600 has not been in increased since 2012. madam deputy speaker, this package of measures will take place from next spring. finally having already banned overseas master's students from bringing family members to the uk, i have asked the migration advisory committee to review the graduate route to prevent abuse to protect the integrity and quality of the uk's outstanding higher education sector. it needs to work in the best interests of the uk supporting the path way into high quality jobs for the global talent pool, but reducing opportunities for abuse. madam deputy speaker,

this package of measures is taken in addition with the measures on student dependent dependants that we have already announced in may means that around 300,000 fewer people will be eligible to come to the uk than were coming last year. this is the largest reduction on record . immigration policy. is the largest reduction on record . immigration policy . we record. immigration policy. we must be fair , consistent and must be fair, consistent and legal and sustainable. that is why we are also taking the fight to illegal migration. our plan to illegal migration. our plan to stop the boats is working. small boat arrivals are down by a third. even as illegal migration across the rest of europe is on the rise. madam deputy speaker, today we have taken decisive action to reduce legal migration with our five point plan enough is enough. we are kerbing abuses to the health care visa. we are increasing

ring thresholds, cutting the discount, increasing family income requirements and cutting the number of student dependents. and i commend this statement to the house. >> shadow home secretary yvette cooper yeah, thank you, madam deputy speaker. >> well, i thank the home secretary for advance sight of the statement. today's statement ant is an admission of years of total failure by this conservative government failure on the immigration system and failure on the economy. >> it is another example of the total chaos at the heart of this government. net migration has trebled since the last election, since the conservatives promised to reduce it and trebled as a result of their policies on the economy and on immigration, including the prime minister's policy decisions. in a chaotic panic, the prime minister now opposes the policies that he

introduced and thinks that their own decisions are a problem. but who does the home secretary think has been in charge for the last 13 years? more chaos , more last 13 years? more chaos, more veering all over the place. net migration should come down. labour has called for an end to the 20% unfair discount for increased salary thresholds to prevent what we have called for an end to the 20% unfair discount . also for increased discount. also for increased salary thresholds to prevent exploitation and include advice from a strengthened migration advisory committee and most of all, we have called for a proper plan with clear links between the immigration system and training and the economy . key training and the economy. key workforce plans. none of which are included in the statement today because they have no grip, no proper plan . this is a no proper plan. this is a chaotic approach . immigration is chaotic approach. immigration is important for britain and rightly, we have helped ukraine and hong kong . we benefit from

and hong kong. we benefit from international talent and students. but that is why the immigration system needs to be controlled and managed so that it is fair and effective. and also why net migration should come down from these record levels . but there needs to be levels. but there needs to be a proper plan in it was this conservative government who brought in the 20% wage discount that that allowed employers to recruit at less than the going rate, even though the migration advisory committee warned against it, even though it is completely unfair, they chose to apply completely unfair, they chose to apply salary thresholds again, lower than the migration advisory committee originally proposed and not to update them for years. and as chancellor and then as prime minister the right honourable member for richmond report repeatedly blocked proposals to tighten the rules, including in may this year and include when they refused labour's calls to end the unfair 20% discount and they repeatedly failed to listen to warnings

about the failure to train or pay about the failure to train or pay properly . here about the failure to train or pay properly. here in the uk, 12 months ago i warned that work visas had substantially increased as a result of major skills shortages in the uk and the conservatives were not taking any serious action to address those skills shortages . address those skills shortages. the leader of the opposition 12 months ago warned the immigration system should be unked immigration system should be linked to new requirements to train up workers here at home. but the conservatives did nothing and unbelievable they are still doing nothing, nothing in this statement about training requirements or workforce plans. they say they want fewer shortage occupations, but it was only four months ago that they added bricklayers roof tilers plasterers to the shortage list because they have totally failed on construction training here at home. there are no plans to tackle that. engineering apprenticeships have halved since 2018. will no wonder engineering visas have gone up again. nothing to tackle those failures and social care visas

have gone up from 3500 a year to over 100,000 zero a year because they have failed for years to heed warnings about recruitment and retention in social care. and they halved the budget for social care workforce recruitment and support back in the spring, and they are still not listening, still refusing to adopt labour's plan for a proper workforce strategy for social care , including professional care, including professional standards and a fair pay agreement . they are failing to agreement. they are failing to tackle the delays in the asylum system that have also pushed the net migration figures up, failing to tackle nhs waiting lists that are preventing the long term sick going back to work . and the prime minister is work. and the prime minister is just crashing around all over the place, reversing policies that he introduced, criticising policies. he defended six months ago and introduced new immigration policies without any of the economic policies to match the previous prime minister was accused of being a

shopping trolley, veering around from one side to the other. the current prime minister is clearly veering , but he clearly veering, but he certainly isn't steering . he's certainly isn't steering. he's just climbed into someone else's shopping trolley and he is being pushed around all over the place . so can the home secretary tell us where is the workforce plan on social care, on engineering , on social care, on engineering, on social care, on engineering, on bricklaying, on all the shortage occupations that their total economic failure has left us with? has the advice migration advisory committee advised on these policies ? and advised on these policies? and where's the reforms to strengthen the committee so that they can do so ? and why are they they can do so? and why are they still not introducing our requirements on employers or on the government to address the skills and labour shortages that are driving the increase in the net migration in the first place? the conservatives are in chaos. they've got no serious plan for the economy, no serious plan for the economy, no serious plan for the immigration system, no serious plan for the country . no serious plan for the country. britain deserves better than

this . this. >> madam deputy speaker, i was waiting . waiting. >> okay, there we have it. so, home secretary james cleverly delivering a speech in commons , delivering a speech in commons, which he said is the most but the most significant and boldest , the biggest ever reduction in net migration figures . promising net migration figures. promising 300,000 less next year than we had this year. of course, record figures, 745,000 last year . figures, 745,000 last year. james clever is talking again. let's cross back to james. >> that's about repairing through our entire time in government. hers was the party. hers was the party that in government failed to put transitional measures in place . transitional measures in place. when the eu expanded import , when the eu expanded import, noting significant numbers of people in the construction industry , which meant there was industry, which meant there was a disincentive for investing in people and technology and productivity , a situation which productivity, a situation which she now decries. she fails to

make reference . to the £7 make reference. to the £7 billion employment package that was announced in the spring budget that will help 1.1 million people get get back into work and stay in work. madam deputy speaker, when i was at the despatch box in the days after my appointment, i said that labour had had a plan for migration . the problem that they migration. the problem that they have got, madam deputy speaker, is the plan that they are proposing is the plan that i am already implementing, working with my right honourable friend. the immigration minister since the day i was appointed we have put forward the substantial put forward the most substantial package of legal migration reforms the country has ever seen and their great idea is already being put in place by this great government . my green this great government. my green colleagues agree with it. >> thank you . >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you, madam deputy

speaker . speaken >> may i go? >> may i go? >> you there? we have it. james cleverly , home secretary giving cleverly, home secretary giving a speech what he called the biggest ever reduction in net migration promising 300,000 fewer immigrants next year than we had this time around. of course, record figures, 745,000 for last year. he gave us a five point plan saying enough is enough. point plan saying enough is enough . the first point end enough. the first point end abuse of health care visas. no dependents in future. second point, we will stop immigration undercutting british workers. that's a salary cap. £38,700. and the third point, scrap the cut price labour dividend. that is, of course , visas coming in is, of course, visas coming in can be paid 20% less, foreign workers, 20% less than british workers. fourth point, only bnng workers. fourth point, only bring dependence for those who work. and he was implying the same salary. so you can bring a dependent , same salary. so you can bring a dependent, but same salary. so you can bring a dependent , but they same salary. so you can bring a dependent, but they must be working and contributing . in

working and contributing. in britain, the same salary 38,700. and finally point five to review the graduate route reducing opportunity cities for the abuse of student visas. well, let's get some reaction now to james kleavor's plans to reduce legal migration. shadow secretary of state for environment food and rural affairs steve reed joins me on the show. thanks for joining us, steve. always a pleasure . a bold plan, an pleasure. a bold plan, an ambitious plan, a five point plan. enough is enough. shot down in flames by yvette cooper. what's your take on it? >> well , good afternoon. and >> well, good afternoon. and it's good to be here with you. and the thing is, how many times have we heard a succession of conservative home secretaries stand up in the chamber of the house of commons and tell us how much they're going to do crease migration by only to soar migration by only to see it soar in following the following in the following the following few now, the figure that few months. now, the figure that james talking about james cleverly is talking about there he manages to cut there, even if he manages to cut it by the amount that he's just said and i doubt that given

said, and i doubt that given their track record and then their track record and even then migration would be around double the level that it was in december 2019 when they told us it going , they were going it was going, they were going to cut so if a promise to cut it >> so if a promise to cut it results in doubling it, how on earth can the government claim that that a success? how on that that is a success? how on earth can they the truth is they said they would get a grip on migration, legal and illegal migration. >> we've got record numbers coming into the country and we've still got near record people, numbers of people coming across the country illegally stemmed for the time being. >> only by the change, by the change in weather. but given that they put nothing in place , that they put nothing in place, we're paying £8 million we're still paying £8 million every day to keep every single day to keep unprocessed asylum seekers in hotels at the taxpayers expense. how on earth can we believe a word they say? >> well, steve yvette cooper was quick to point out that labour would actually quite like a few of the conservative party's policies , in particular the policies, in particular the scrapping the 20% levy. well, that's good hear because i've that's good to hear because i've always and a lot people always felt and a lot of people have simply

have too, that it's simply unfair to employ people who cheaper than british workers . cheaper than british workers. but it won't be enough, will it? steve and you must concur. it won't be enough. just to simply have a pop at the tories continually. i think the continually. i think what the voters would like to see, particularly red wall and particularly in the red wall and the where immigration a the areas where immigration is a huge idea, is the labour huge idea, is what is the labour party's solution? it's not enough just to keep having a dig at what would you at the tories. what would you guys do? >> spot on. >> spot on. >> and i'm glad, you know, in in all what what's gone on i'm all of what what's gone on i'm very james cleverly has very glad james cleverly has picked our proposal which is picked up our proposal which is that you need to scrap that 20% wage discount to bring a foreign worker in to do a job. a british worker in to do a job. a british worker could have could have been doing. it was mad they ever put now, i mean, put that in place. now, i mean, one of the reasons that we've got so—called skills got these so—called skills shortages is the government has not properly managed our own economy . if they were economy. if they were identifying as they have been, areas where we have skills shortages, then surely instead of offering for all this time disc counts to employers to

bnngin disc counts to employers to bring in somebody from abroad, they could have used that to train somebody up. so they have the skills. a british person already resident here do that already resident here to do that job and fill that vacancy. that would have a use of would have been a better use of the there no the money. there would be no question somebody the money. there would be no questionto somebody the money. there would be no questionto bring somebody the money. there would be no questionto bring in mebody the money. there would be no questionto bring in familyy wanting to bring in family members because their family members because their family members no members already live here. no question of finding them somewhere because they somewhere to live because they already they already already because they already live somewhere. would have live somewhere. it would have deau live somewhere. it would have dealt so more dealt with it all. so much more simply. our plan, simply. so i think our plan, which is to devolve power over skills training to local areas where they know far better what their economy needs than people sitting behind me here in whitehall. they know what their own economy needs best. that is the way take those decisions the way to take those decisions and equip british people to do the jobs their area the jobs in their own area without requiring to move without requiring them to move around. steve, while i've around. okay steve, while i've got here, did choke on got you here, did you choke on your cornflakes at the weekend when to when keir starmer seemed to channel inner maggie channel his inner maggie thatcher in the telegraph, of all places ? i get i get your all places? i get i get your point. you know, my dad was one of the people who lost their job

when margaret thatcher was prime minister but of course, what keir was saying was keir was saying is he was pointing margaret thatcher as pointing to margaret thatcher as one of those prime ministers that made a change that made a sea change in british politics and labour, although she certainly represented a sea change in how we politics. that's the point we do politics. that's the point he's making . those prime he's making. those prime ministers don't come all the time. you know, they're few and far . keir was saying far between. keir was saying that outlining a different that he's outlining a different way governing country, way of governing the country, a mission government, mission led government, not the chop and change that we keep getting get under getting every time we get under this new prime minister this lot. a new prime minister every few months. you know, every few months. and you know, people grant shapps five people like grant shapps five different jobs in 12 different cabinet jobs in 12 months. much chop and months. too much chop and change. consistency. we change. you need consistency. we need . but keir was need direction. but keir was very his mission will be very clear. his mission will be to the economy because to grow the economy because that's british that's how we give british people, they'll people, british workers, they'll pay people, british workers, they'll pay deserve after pay rise that they deserve after ten years of wage restraint . ten years of wage restraint. >> okay. steve reed, shadow secretary of state for environment and food and rural affairs, thanks joining me affairs, thanks for joining me on gb news. always pleasure. on gb news. always a pleasure. thanks guys. okay. joined thanks guys. okay. i'm joined now political now by our political editor, christopher hope . chris, lots christopher hope. chris, lots and of details to take in

and lots of details to take in there. but to be fair to james cleverly, a detailed five point plan, he called it the biggest ever reduction in net migration we've seen in britain, saying enoughis we've seen in britain, saying enough is enough. can you talk us through some of the detail? well, it's a five point plan where he says, aren't we in government now? >> they want to stop care workers bringing in family dependants. they want to increase worker increase the skilled worker earning by a third earning threshold by a third from around 26,000 a year to 38,000 a year, basically, meaning that only graduates can come here on a skilled visa. they want to scrap this cut price shortage labour scheme by reforming the occupation list . reforming the occupation list. this allows you, if you're on to bnngin this allows you, if you're on to bring in people on 20% below this minimum threshold , to bring this minimum threshold, to bring in people to fill gaps in the market and they want to lift the minimum threshold for family visas from around 18,000 to the same level as the new graduate visa, if you like , £38,000 visa, if you like, £38,000 a yean visa, if you like, £38,000 a year. and also look at the look

at the review, the graduate route to prevent abuses. take a step back . look, what they're step back. look, what they're saying here is they're going to cut net migration by 300,000 a yean cut net migration by 300,000 a year. now that means there's a new number out there in acceptable net migration to this country. if you take the 12 months to the end of december last year, it's 745,000. take off a year and a thousand. that's 445,000 a year, which is more than twice the number when the tories came to power in 2019. even if you take the figure in the 12 months to june last year , 670,000, that's still last year, 670,000, that's still . all 370,000 a year. that's well in excess of the 219,000. when the tories came to power. essentially, the government here has surrendered thing on net migration, except ing that figure must be many hundreds of thousands a year, nowhere near the tens of thousands a year pledged by the government back in 2010. many people might think it is still too high and this is not enough. we're waiting to see

how theresa will react to it. but you heard there from steve reed saying they've taken some labourideas reed saying they've taken some labour ideas here, but some tories might think , why can't we tories might think, why can't we get back to a figure? can't get back to a figure? why can't we deliver on that manifesto pledge back in that was pledge back in 2019? that was below 219,000 a year. this is nowhere near that number. >> okay , chris, thanks for that >> okay, chris, thanks for that update. excellent as ever. and let's get the thoughts now of former conservative mp neil parish, who's been waiting patiently to join us. thanks for joining us, neil. so there's some clarity at last. there's a five plan . enough is five point plan. enough is enough. was the rallying cry from mr clever , a 300,000 cut. from mr clever, a 300,000 cut. but the question is, will it be enough to satiate tory voters? have they heard it all before? and is it too little too late ? and is it too little too late? >> yeah, i think the trouble they've got is that they want they've got is that they want the economy to grow and of course very much they need quite a lot of immigrant labour and that's their problem. and that's been their problem. and where i do actually agree with labouris where i do actually agree with labour is the government has done not enough in training up

our own workers to take these jobs. when you take the social care, i mean the huge number of jobs they're needed and we haven't necessarily got our own people trained up to do it. so yes, i mean, it's one of these things where people want to see a net migration come down. but of course, we also, like i said, want to grow the economy, too. i think when comes to think when it comes to dependence coming in all of these that very these things, that is a very good thing i think the good thing to do. i think the scrapping the 20% where you know, which was wages that know, which was less wages that they were being paid, the immigrants labour immigrants immigrant labour coming in, then i think that is also right. but it's to be also right. but it's going to be interesting to that as interesting to see that as as the government tries to cut the number of people coming for in jobs, you know, will the building trade, all of those others and social care will they actually have enough labour going forward? because we've really got to get to training schemes going and very fast. so i think it's a little bit too late for a lot of this. but i mean , let's see if it works.

mean, let's see if it works. some of it will work, some of it won't, but for goodness sake, train up our own workers much faster if we're going to supplement them for people coming in to work. >> i think we'd all agree with that. isn't it astonishing ing, neil, that the fact that james cleverly can slash off 300,000 and yet we're still left with almost half a million. that's where we're at. it's this problem now is so big, losing 300,000, as admirable as that may appear , it still leaves a may appear, it still leaves a huge number. so i ask you again, will this be enough to satiate tory voters or is it just the end of times ? end of times? >> i think it probably won't be enough, but i don't think, you know, in fairness, labour party policy in the end will be much different because surprisingly enough, we probably actually need quite a number of workers coming in to fulfil an economy. and don't forget labour is going to concentrate on growth . so to concentrate on growth. so some of the growth will come from our own workers, some of

the growth will come for those imported ones. so you know, it is is you mean, and is it is you know, i mean, and i'm parliament now , i'm i'm out of parliament now, i'm not you know, i've not the not a you know, i've not got the conservative whip, so i can be very so think conservative whip, so i can be veis, so think conservative whip, so i can be veis, you so think conservative whip, so i can be veis, you know, so think conservative whip, so i can be veis, you know, i so think conservative whip, so i can be veis, you know, i don't think k it is, you know, i don't think i think the trouble is that the conservative government and i suspect labour will same. suspect labour will do the same. they a target that they they will set a target that they will never hit. and then of course , everybody gets course, everybody gets completely and a plague completely fed up and a plague on all your houses and that's what's happening at the moment. and that because like and i can say that because like i with the i said, i'm not sitting with the party whip anymore. but, you know , i've got some sympathy for know, i've got some sympathy for the but they do the government. but they do need to much more training and to do much more training and they have, you know, since brexit, we, you know, agricultural workers , all of agricultural workers, all of these people, we just haven't got enough. and we haven't trained up enough of our own . trained up enough of our own. so, you know, they've got to get their finger out and they haven't time it, haven't got much time to do it, haven't got much time to do it, have i should be very have they? so i should be very blunt you this evening. so blunt with you this evening. so thank you for interview. and thank you for the interview. and thank you for the interview. and thank you for being so frank and forthright and thank you for

waiting patiently there . waiting patiently there. >> mp, >> a former conservative mp, neil , thanks for joining neil parish, thanks for joining us it's always us on the show. it's always a pleasure your thoughts. pleasure to hear your thoughts. now, rolled the now, we've rolled over the end of houn now, we've rolled over the end of hour, first, let's go of the hour, but first, let's go to latest news headlines to your latest news headlines with . with polly middlehurst. >> martin, thank you. and the top story this hour, the home secretary, as you've just been hearing, has announced new rules that he says will give the biggest ever reduction in net migration under the plans aimed at bringing down legal migration. james cleverly told the house of commons 300,000 fewer people will be able to come to the uk every year. among the measures, the minimum salary required for a skilled worker visa will rise from £26,000 to £38,700 from next spring. and james cleverly also told mps overseas workers and students will be stopped from bringing family dependents along to the

uk with them. he says it's the best way forward for taxpayers . best way forward for taxpayers. >> people will always do the right thing by those in need , right thing by those in need, but they also and they are absolutely right to want to reduce overall immigration numbers , not only by stopping numbers, not only by stopping the boats and shutting down illegal routes, but by well managed reduction in legal migration too. people are under standardly worried about housing, about appointments, about school places and access to other public services when they can see their communities growing and growing quickly in numbers . numbers. >> well, sir keir starmer has said a labour government wouldn't put more pressure on taxpayers . he was speaking at taxpayers. he was speaking at the economy inquiry in london. he pledged his ministers will be ruthless when it comes to public spending. that's after he accused the tories of letting pubuc accused the tories of letting public finances deteriorate over

the last 15 years. but sir keir promised labour would be obsessed with economic growth . obsessed with economic growth. >> growth if we are privileged enough to be elected next year. the diagnosis, the search for distractions and excuses . all of distractions and excuses. all of that ends because the defining purpose of the next labour government , the mission that government, the mission that stands above all others, will be raising britain's productivity growth with a goal that for my labor party will become an obsession . ian sir. obsession. ian sir. >> sir keir starmer now the president of the cop 28, climate summit that's taking place in dubai right now, says he surprised by reports suggesting that he denied a key aspect of climate science. salt tan al jaber was criticised in november after he'd said there was no scientific basis for limiting a rise in global temperatures to 1.5. but speaking at the summit

today, he said his comments had been taken out of context in an attempt to undermine the aim of the conference, he reiterated his full belief in climate science. >> and i have repeatedly said in many occasions and in many different platforms that it is the science that have guided the principles of our strategy as cop 28 presidency and i have been very crystal clear about that. and i hope that this time i am clearer and getting this message across . message across. >> sultan al jaber now the ministry of is planned for new weapons, has a budget black hole of £16.97 billion. the national audit office has said the mod's ten year programme until 2033 was just unaffordable bill and the projected deficit it is the biggest since 2012. it puts the estimated cost at more than £300

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news channel. >> thank you very much, polly . >> thank you very much, polly. now we start with the migrant crisis and the home secretary, james cleverly has been setting out his plans to bring down net migration . addressing the migration. addressing the commons, mr cleverly said that whilst britain would always help those in need of asylum, the british people rightly expect legal migration to be controlled i >> british people will always do the right thing by those in need , but they also and they are absolutely right to want to reduce overall immigration numbers, not only by stopping the boats and shutting down illegal routes, but by bannau well managed reduction in legal migration to people are understandably worried about housing, about gp appointments, about school places and access to other public services when they can see their communities growing and growing quickly in numbers . numbers. >> well, i'm joined now by our political editor christopher

hope for reaction to this. chris, thanks for joining hope for reaction to this. chris, thanks forjoining us chris, thanks for joining us again. mr cleverly called it the biggest ever reduction in net migration in crying enough is enough. and he set out a five point plan. the big question is, chris, will that five point plan be enough to satiate tory voters 7 be enough to satiate tory voters ? yeah martin, i've been busy on my calculator to work out what is the new acceptable level of net migration to this country. >> don't forget, when this government was elected back in 2019, the manifesto said they would cut net migration . that's would cut net migration. that's people who arrive here through the gates in heathrow or borders on the south coast. no problem. if you come and you're allowed to settle here legally. now, the figure then was 219,000. that was the that was the figure, the net figure . so that was the net figure. so that was the number more than those who left 219,000 did the figure for the 12 months to december last year was 745,000, more than three times the figure back in 2019.

in the 12 months to june this yean in the 12 months to june this year, you take out the big the numbers of ukrainians who came here last year, it was 672,000. so if you take off 300,000 from that, the new number the government is content with in net migration action is either 372,000 or as much as 445,000 a yean 372,000 or as much as 445,000 a year. that is well, the top number is twice the figure that came here in 2019. that's a figure which will be poured oven figure which will be poured over. thought about by tory mps tonight. is that enough to tackle net migration or is it merely scratching the surface? yes, it's a big fall, 300,000 from the measures announced by james cleverly, a five point plan, notably lifting the basic qualification for a visa by by 2022 by a third. forgive me. two £38,700 making that visa working visa basically a graduate visa for the first time since 2016. also similar measures on family visas , stopping care workers, visas, stopping care workers, bringing in family dependants and stopping this 20% discount

of two to fill areas that economy where the shortage in labouris economy where the shortage in labour is that enough to deal with this with this issue. it's a real political issue. it overshadowed what was quite a well received autumn statement by jeremy hunt with those figures out day from figures out the day after from the of national the office of national statistics. we'll and see. statistics. we'll wait and see. i'm trying to get reaction on my computer, from computer, my phones here from tory mps. we'll bring it to you on gb news. first, of course. but the new number is either but the new number now is either 370,000 a year is okay. that's a net figure . the government finds net figure. the government finds that acceptable. do our viewers think that's true to and chris, i guess in a sense that shows how far this problem is getting out of control. >> we voted to take back control many, many certainly did on the conservative of the party conservative side of the party lines. and when you look at these numbers, the fact that we can trim off 300 grand and yet still be at the thick end of half a million, chris is almost absurd . and that's right. absurd. and that's right. >> if nigel farage wasn't

without his phone in the jungle, there might be a small eruption from somewhere in north queensland at this state of this number that's now acceptable . number that's now acceptable. 370,000 a year is the new net figure the government thinks is okay. men he may not agree with that. the problem is on the policy that labour haven't got much of a better and better plan for if we're going to for this. and if we're going to allow that many to come through the border gates, each year, where will they all go to work ? where will they all go to work? where can they where can they find surgeries , support find gp surgeries, support dentist surgery , support school dentist surgery, support school places? it puts more and more pressure on public services and that's what we hear daily in the inbox here at gb news. to be, to be fair to james cleverly, the home secretary , he recognises home secretary, he recognises that on the dependent side, the numbers arriving here with others on visas , a minority of others on visas, a minority of those are going to work and support the economy . but jeremy support the economy. but jeremy hunt, earlier today was saying he he knows the 6 million people of working age adults who are

not working . there's a million not working. there's a million vacancies out there in the economy, job vacancies . the economy, job vacancies. the question is getting brits back to work. that's a challenge to the government's got there. they're cutting off. they're turning, they're the turning, they're slowing the taps foreign labour, but not taps on foreign labour, but not altogether stopping it because they guarantee getting they can't guarantee getting those jobs filled. that's those jobs filled. and that's the problem at the the economic problem at the heart the treasury heart of this. the treasury would be worried about this number. worried it's number. they're worried it's going we'll wait and see. >> chris, can i ask you more of a filosofie question on this topic ? and it's this why did it topic? and it's this why did it take the conservatives so long to wake up to the idea that this is something that drives voters bonkers ? and here we are. bonkers? and here we are. they've slashed off 300,000, yet it's still going to be 372 or 4. 4 or 5. why why did it take them so long to wake up to? >> martin that's a great question. that's exactly the question. that's exactly the question i asked the government in the morning meeting. why now? why are doing now? they why are you doing this now? they say they've recognised there has been in the system. they been abuse in the system. they want to they want to crack down on of course, the figure for

on it. of course, the figure for 2020, 22, calendar year was was inflated by us uk opening its doors to people fleeing the conflict in ukraine and that meant it was a bigger figure . meant it was a bigger figure. the 745,000 figure was upgraded for a much lower figure of about 606,000, i think so the big increase there was ukraine. but looking back, the run rate is now well over 600,000 a year. if you halve that, that's 300,000 a yean you halve that, that's 300,000 a year. that's a long way away from the 219,000, which for many was far too much. david cameron came to power back in 2010, pledging to get the figure below 100,000 a year. home secretary suella braverman told me for my podcast that i was doing last year that in october last year she wanted to get the figure down to 10,000. we're nowhere near that number. i think what's happenedis near that number. i think what's happened is the treasury has taken over a lot of government policy making. they are happy with a of nett a with a figure of around nett a quarter of a million a year and that's what's driving it. you've quarter of a million a year and thatto what's driving it. you've quarter of a million a year and thatto gett's driving it. you've quarter of a million a year and thatto get theiriving it. you've quarter of a million a year and thatto get the economy you've quarter of a million a year and thatto get the economy growing got to get the economy growing to tax take to support

to increase tax take to support pubuc to increase tax take to support public services. but is the cost of that more net migration ? ian of that more net migration? ian that's a challenge at the heart of government right now. >> martin christopher hope, thank that. that thank you for that. that dextrous gymnastics. thank you for that. that dextr

direct result of tory policies. what's your take on today's announcement ? announcement? >> well, look, i mean, we've got real figures which reflect what's happened in the last year and we've got theoretical figures secretary figures from the home secretary today what might in today to what might happen in the but chris hope was absolutely >> but chris hope was absolutely right to draw attention to the fact the coalition fact that the coalition government had had a target of under 100,000, and it's been out of control. >> now got figure three >> we've now got a figure three times what was at brexit hit times what it was at brexit hit and many people voted for brexit, as you will know. >> martin, on the basis of reducing migration, not increasing it exponentially, as we've recently. we've seen recently. >> there is a trade as >> but there is a trade off as chris rightly says, between the economy numbers coming economy and the numbers coming in. the fact is if the tap was switched off entirely, the nhs and social services in particular and agriculture to some extent would simply not be able properly. able to function properly. >> it certainly makes you think, norm, look the norm, when you look at the numbers you're numbers, as i think you're right, i agree with you on this. if we just turn off the tap overnight, great sectors of the economy would would shudder almost not to a halt. but they would be struggling. and is would be struggling. and that is because you, norman,

because i put it to you, norman, we a system where we have we have a system where we have become dependent, almost addicted to cheap foreign laboun addicted to cheap foreign labour, particularly in the health service and the care worker sector. and to a lesser extent agriculture . and so a lot extent agriculture. and so a lot of tory voters will be saying, okay, you're slashing 300,000 off, but it's still the thick end of half a million. will that be enough for tory voters or will they simply , norman, be too will they simply, norman, be too little, too late ? little, too late? >> well, i spent the latter . >> well, i spent the latter. >> well, i spent the latter. >> and also, as i said, the 300,000 cuts is a theoretical cut . it hasn't happened yet. cut. it hasn't happened yet. >> and recent announcements from the will the government saying this will happen will happen on happen and this will happen on migration , i've simply proved migration, i've simply proved to be do think people be wrong. so i do think people should necessarily believe that goes. >> norman, isn't it astonishing that norman, who was in the coalition in a government, the clegg, cameron era, said their annual target was 109,000? that's the stuff of dreams these days, isn't it? the stuff of dreams and way , way below what dreams and way, way below what the tories promised later , and a

the tories promised later, and a fraction of where we are now. and even with james cleverley's 300,000 lopped off the numbers are still . over 372,000 or are still. over 372,000 or 445,000 per year. this is the legal migration through the front door, through visas , front door, through visas, students, skilled workers , care students, skilled workers, care workers, dips , attendance. and workers, dips, attendance. and despite cleverly talking very, very tough , i wonder if few very tough, i wonder if few people out there think this is going to be enough. the fact that they're happy, the fact they're actually happy months from a general election of a figure of the thick end of half a million per year. i think is a state of the nation . that's state of the nation. that's where i think we're joined again now by norman baker. are you back with us, norman? >> i am . martin yes, thank you. >> i am. martin yes, thank you. >> i am. martin yes, thank you. >> good. so i was just saying to the viewers there, in your absence, that the absence, the fact that the coalition government had a target of 109,000, yet here we are now a conservative home secretary proposing , saying that

secretary proposing, saying that a figure of almost 445,000 is a good plan. it shows it shows you how far we've fallen . how far we've fallen. >> it shows how far we've failed to meet targets and how out of control my migration has become under this particular government, with successive conservative governments since the coalition founded . the coalition founded. >> and it's, you know, it's i don't know what you caught me saying earlier on, but is saying earlier on, but this is successive failure from governments the to governments over the years to invest properly in proper wages and for people in the and training for people in the health service and social care. >> and we've been very happy to use cheap labour. well, you know, to be paid know, there's a price to be paid for that and the price is high migration for that and the price is high migformer liberal democrat >> former liberal democrat minister norman baker. it's always speak to always a pleasure to speak to you. joining on always a pleasure to speak to you show joining on always a pleasure to speak to you show. joining on always a pleasure to speak to you show. there joining on always a pleasure to speak to you show. there we )ining on always a pleasure to speak to you show . there we have| on always a pleasure to speak to you show . there we have it. on the show. there we have it. well, the home secretary will bnngin well, the home secretary will bring in policies that he says will bring the biggest ever reduction in net migration . in reduction in net migration. in responding to james cleverly's announcement, his opposite number, yvette cooper paper, says it shows the tories haven't met their targets .

met their targets. >> today's statement is an admission of years of total failure by this conservative government failure on the immigration system and failure on the economy. it is another example . all of the total chaos example. all of the total chaos at the heart of this government net migration has trebled since the last election, since the conservatives promised to reduce it and trebled as a result of their policy on the economy and on immigration, including the prime minister's policy decisions . decisions. >> it's hard to disagree with that. >> it's hard to disagree with that . i >> it's hard to disagree with that. i mean, it is hard to disagree that they keep blaming everybody else. conservatives but they're the ones who held the front door open. and the fact we can lose 300,000 and still half still be at almost half a million astonishing. but million is astonishing. but that's where we are. we get lots more on that story on our website . and thanks to you, website. and thanks to you, gbnews.com is the fastest growing news website in growing national news website in the country. it's got breaking news and all the brilliant analysis come to expect

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& co weeknights from. six >> welcome back. it's almost 525. you're watching all the things to me. martin daubney on gb news. now a little later this houn gb news. now a little later this hour, i'll discuss sir keir starmer's controversial comments about maggie thatcher. lots of people on the left are angry that he's praised the former prime minister, the iron lady. but still. now let's get more reaction to james cleverly's speech on migration. i'm now joined by gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson. nigel more tough talking, always a pleasure to see you, by the way. more tough talking from james cleverly, the biggest ever reduction in net migration. enough is enough if he's crying. the point is how much is enough ? because he's much is enough? because he's cutting 300,000 off. but if you do the maths, as chopper did in real time , it's still a net real time, it's still a net figure of . 372,000 or 445,000, figure of. 372,000 or 445,000, depending on how you do the books. so that's still a huge

amount. will this be enough to satisfy conservative voters? nigel well, possibly not on the bafis nigel well, possibly not on the basis that the only reason you're cutting a record amount of legal migrants coming here is because you have a record amount of legal migrants coming here. >> so no think people want to see immigration much lower, but however, we've got to take into account the need for the economy . so i rather agreed with the former first secretary, damian green , in in response to james green, in in response to james cleverly, where he said he that of the five point plan, he thought four and a half points of them were pretty good. i think that's right. the of them were pretty good. i think that's right . the 20% cut think that's right. the 20% cut in in bosses being able to employ cheap foreign labour goes that's a long standing labour policy that james cleverly has adopted. that's good. but the problem obviously for social and social and health care workers is that they can't bring

dependents . now that means we've dependents. now that means we've got to fill the vacancies with single people . single people. >> i guess, nigel, though, one thing it will do and it's we're getting to that point now where it's not enough for the labour party. yvette cooper sir keir starmer's keep saying, well, the tories have completely failed on this, which may be true , but we this, which may be true, but we need see some detail from the need to see some detail from the labour what will they labour party. what will they plan return? okay, plan to do in return? and okay, you that cleverly's you can say that cleverly's nicked idea from labour, but nicked an idea from labour, but that hasn't stopped the labour party doing that in the past. and the interesting thing will be nigel, if the labour party are forced to come out and say that they wouldn't do any of this because abusing the abuse of dependence in particular and you know is something that people really, really are concerned about and particularly in the student visas. so we now need to see what labour plan to do. >> yes . and i think that >> yes. and i think that probably labour will largely follow these plans as they stand, as i said, because some

of it is labour party policy anyway . i of it is labour party policy anyway. i think of it is labour party policy anyway . i think the most anyway. i think the most significant point is that you can't now hire cheap foreign laboun can't now hire cheap foreign labour. now we will all pay a cost for that. there'll be a knock on effect on higher prices as however, it is the one way of reducing the number of people coming here because employers won't be encouraging them . and won't be encouraging them. and that will also mean that british workers can get british jobs as didn't that used to be a key part of what the labour party stood for. >> now the idea that we should pay a >> now the idea that we should pay a fair day's pay for a fair day's work, that's a good thing, isn't it ? and when did we get isn't it? and when did we get addicted on this doom cycle of foreign, cheap imported labour? surely the labour party can also agree that cycle needs to end well. >> they do . that's exactly what >> they do. that's exactly what they're saying . and you're they're saying. and you're right, the british jobs for british workers was a slogan that gordon brown came up with. and the point that the labour party is making and i think

rightly is that you should get equal pay for an equal day's work . so it doesn't matter work. so it doesn't matter whether you're from overseas or you're a british worker. but the great bonus of that is it will mean that employers are more likely to hire british workers because they can get them at the same rate . same rate. >> well, that sounds a good thing . another topic in the news thing. another topic in the news today, nigel, is the bbc licence fee here we go again. it's back in the telescope sights of the government , this time rattling government, this time rattling their sabre about about blocking a 9% pay rise as a licence fee rise . sorry on that. what's your rise. sorry on that. what's your take on that? should the government be getting involved in or is the licence fee in this or is the licence fee actually fair for what you get ? actually fair for what you get? >> well, i mean with the licence fee at the moment is 40 3pa day which is quite cheap for all the various services the bbc provide. tv radio, both national and local online news, the world service as if the bbc got a full

£15 increase, which is what they they they want that would only go they they want that would only 9° up they they want that would only go up £0.47 so it's not a huge amount of money. what i do think that rishi sunak is dodging at the moment is the licence fee itself is just outdated and what you need is a new system of funding the bbc and probably the best way of doing that is some kind of household levy . kind of household levy. >> and so how would that work? i mean, that's what we already have. the bbc licence fee is a de facto household levy . you de facto household levy. you don't get a choice if you pay it or not. in fact, if you don't want to pay it, you could end up in jail or prosecute it. i've been inundated with stories of that i put it out on that today when i put it out on social would this social media. so how would this household ? household levy work? >> yeah , for starters, it >> nigel yeah, for starters, it would become an opt out system rather than an opt in, which makes collect and makes it easier to collect and enforce . it would work in enforce. it would work in a similar way to the way that we pay similar way to the way that we pay council tax. so what would happenis pay council tax. so what would happen is that you would you

would pay different levels of licence fee depending on the value of your house. so obviously the bigger the house, the more likely you are to have more than one television. and those people would end up paying more. now if you actually added it to council tax and you collected it that way , what it collected it that way, what it would mean is that people would automatically be opting , opted automatically be opting, opted in and anybody who didn't want to watch the bbc could then opt out and not pay the fee. and of course you could enforce that much more easily because you could check that those people are opting out legitimately . are opting out legitimately. >> but surely everybody would just out . just opt out. >> mean if they did opt >> well, mean if they did opt out that they can't watch the bbc. the situation we've got at the moment that the bbc have lost 400,000 licence payers in the year and that's because people are using different services and not having anything to do with the bbc. so it would

be your choice. you could then decide, do you want to watch the bbc or don't you ? bbc or don't you? >> okay, nigel nelson, always a pleasure to talk to you. gb news, a senior political commentator. very much commentator. thank you very much . i think there was an opt out clause , simply in clause, simply everybody in britain with half a brain would opt out anyway. there's lots more still to now between more still to come. now between now find out how nigel now and 6:00, find out how nigel farage is getting on in. i'm a celebrity and i'll tell you how you help make nigel become you can help make nigel become the king of the jungle. but first, here's your latest news headunes first, here's your latest news headlines polly middlehurst headlines with polly middlehurst . martin >> thank you. will. the top stories this hour, the home secretary has within the last hour announced new rules that he says will give the biggest ever reduction in net migration into the uk under the plans aimed at bringing down legal migration . bringing down legal migration. james cleverly said 300,000 fewer people will be able to come to the uk each year. among the measures overseas workers

and students will be stopped from bringing their family and dependents with them. mr cleverly said . it's the best way cleverly said. it's the best way forward for british taxpayers . forward for british taxpayers. >> british people will always do the right thing by those in need, but it they also and they are absolutely right to want it to reduce overall immigration numbers, not only by stopping the boats and shutting down illegal routes , but by well illegal routes, but by well managed reduction in legal migration to people are understandably worried about housing, about gp appointments, about school places and access to other public services when they can see their communities growing and growing quickly in numbers . numbers. >> also the news today, sir keir starmer says a labour government wouldn't put more pressure on taxpayers . he was speaking in taxpayers. he was speaking in london earlier on today and he pledged his ministers will be ruthless when it comes to public spending. that's after he

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markets and the pound buying a $1.2631 and ,1.1666. the price of gold £1,605.56 an ounce. and the ftse 100 has closed the day for today . at 7512 points. ross for today. at 7512 points. ross rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report . the gb news financial report. and thank you, polly. >> now let's get more reaction to james cleverly's speech on migration. an i'm joined now by john mcternan, who is tony blair's political blair's former political secretary. john, thanks for joining us. always a pleasure. so the very fact, john, that that james cleverly has vowed the biggest ever reduction in net migration 300,000 off yet whichever way you do the books , whichever way you do the books, it's either that means 372,000 or 445,000 will continue to come

into britain legally . obe that into britain legally. obe that just goes to show you how far we've gone down the route of immigration. if we can lose 300,000 and yet we're still going to be lumbered with 440,000, what's going to be lumbered with 440,000, what's your take on today's action? >> i think it's extraordinary that you say that we're lumbered with health service workers . with health service workers. >> well, no, what i'm saying is people are rightly saying that they voted to take control of our borders in every election. actually since 1997. what i'm saying is people would like generally in every election since 2010 to bring numbers down. in fact , that's been a down. in fact, that's been a manifesto pledge of every party since then. gordon brown even did this. so did ed miliband. what i'm saying is people want the numbers to come down. and today, despite the fact james cleverly is saying they'll come down by 300,000, we'll still leave us with a huge figure . leave us with a huge figure. >> look, james cleverly is a clown . he's saying there's going clown. he's saying there's going to be the largest single cut in

migration because he's had he's had the largest single rise in migration . migration. >> i don't really care. >> i don't really care. >> i don't really care. >> i think if we need workers, we should get them into britain and if we need workers in the care and the health care sector and the health sector, they should be able to bnng sector, they should be able to bring their dependents them sector, they should be able to bbecauser dependents them sector, they should be able to bbecauser depencit1ts them sector, they should be able to bbecauser depencit to them sector, they should be able to bbecauser depencit to imaginem sector, they should be able to b woman r depencit to imaginem sector, they should be able to b woman oriepencit to imaginem sector, they should be able to b woman or a)encit to imaginem sector, they should be able to b woman or a)enci'coming ginem sector, they should be able to b woman or a)enci'coming heren sector, they should be able to b woman or a)enci'coming here and a woman or a man coming here and having leave their family having to leave their family behind? we know they're on a track services >> health visa services allow you bring your you to actually bring your family and settle here. >> so it's just it's cruelty. it's stupidity because we're going to end up with shortages of in nhs and of staff in in the nhs and social care sector. and it is just a it's a desperate sign of a government that's created a situation which to my mind isn't actually a big problem when people come into our country , people come into our country, they study, they contribute , they study, they contribute, they study, they contribute, they pay their fees, their families come here, they they contribute to economy . we, contribute to the economy. we, um, and i'd love to hear or what the actual government figures are on the knock on effect on our economy . if 300,000 people our economy. if 300,000 people don't come next year , they put don't come next year, they put these figures into the budget, read books , they put the figures read books, they put the figures

in the i'm pretty in for the growth. i'm pretty sure these these numbers will take headroom that the take away the headroom that the that the chancellor exchequer claimed that he had . and what claimed that he had. and what we're heading for is next year. you know, we're going to have a winter crisis the nhs . winter winter crisis in the nhs. this winter we'll have another one and next november, december, if decide to go for very if they decide to go for a very long election , you know, go to long election, you know, go to the end the year for an the end of the year for an election and how can anybody take this government seriously on on on immigration policy , on on on immigration policy, they were just reversing a policy that they introduced themselves. they're trying to cut numbers that they increase themselves. there's no debate here about the right number of people in the economy. the no debate here about the skills that we need . and you the that we need. and you get the situation now where for a british citizen, a british citizen, british born , can can, citizen, british born, can can, could marry somebody who's who's foreign born and they're not able to come here unless they've got a they've got a job earning over twice the national minimum wage. the whole thing, the whole

thing is not about the national interest. it's not about the national health service interest. >> it's about the tory party trying placate their trying to placate their backbenchers . backbenchers. >> it's not >> well, john, it's not surprising that you favour de facto open borders when you look back as a former tony blair, that that was basically your policy. hang on. >> didn't say hang on. i >> john didn't say hang on. i say that. >> john. john, let me have let me have say, mate. you've me have my say, mate. you've been talking plenty. >> tell don't you >> why don't you tell don't you tell lies about i've said? tell lies about what i've said? >> listen, john, in 1997, in 1997, no , i'm not. 1997, no, i'm not. >> let's let's be reasonable, john. >> no , no, stop. >> no, no, stop. >>— >> no, no, stop. >> you're lying. if you if you accept you told a lie when you said, i want open borders, we could talk about it. but do not talk nonsense about what i said. no, i'm going to i'm going to say i'm going to say john de facto open borders effectively mean means is right, tony. that's a lie. >> the tony blair government . >> the tony blair government. john, this works if we both get a say, can i can i have my point

now? >> i'll tell you. i'll tell you how it works. it works if you stop lying. i'm not lying. stop lying. let's look at the details. >> let's look at the details of tony policy tony blair's immigration policy from 1998 onwards when tony blair invited the g8 economists. we saw an absolutely stratospheric increase in legal migration into this country. one, i would add, john, which paved the way for the brexit referendum. and it hasn't ever stopped since it got out of control in the 1990s. it's continued to do so, admittedly, under the conservative government. i'm saying the legacy of de facto open borders, which i think we basically still have as has has continued for decades, moving it on to the present day. the labour party today are saying this is years of failed tory policy which many people no doubt you would agree with. but the big question is what would the labour party now do about it ? do about it? >> i'd like to talk about the 1948 decision of the attlee

government to actually invest in the atomic bomb. have the nuclear deterrent from britain, and then maybe talk about polaris , which the renewal by polaris, which the renewal by the wilson government and there may blair, you know, may talk about blair, you know, renewing trident if you want to talk about history, you want to talk about history, you want to talk things. 26 years ago talk about things. 26 years ago talking immigration talking about immigration policy, not, not, not, not weapons making . weapons making. >> on point . >> john, stay on point. >> john, stay on point. >> seriously. seriously, man, you're asking me about a policy decision from 26 years ago. yes. we're talking about james clapper. why are we talking about james? cleverly, the announcement in the commons today, which is it is a history lesson or is it actually a discussion about the government's policy? >> clear >> i'm making very clear parallels between tony parallels between between tony blair's immigration policy, which you must admit people within the labour party at the time warned was getting out of control, particularly countries like sweden didn't invite the g8 in, the uk did under blair's in, but the uk did under blair's administration. and then we saw the beginnings of a huge spike in immigration into the uk , in immigration into the uk, which rightly caused a lot of concerns even within the labour

party . they said concerns even within the labour party. they said this is getting out control . party. they said this is getting out control. here party. they said this is getting out control . here we are out of control. here we are again. making the clear again. i'm making the clear point that history is repeating itself. blair had a problem and now the tories have got a problem . the question problem. the question is what are do about it? are we going to do about it? okay that's finally an interesting question . interesting question. >> and the answer is we need the workers in our country to get the economic growth that we want . we need the workers in our country to get the public services want . we should services that we want. we should pay services that we want. we should pay workers fairer wage pay the workers a fairer wage than government than we do. the government aren't pay any more to aren't going to pay any more to social, to social care, and they're not going not they're not going to they're not going fees that going to raise the fees that local pay. local government can pay. they're so they're not going to raise. so they're to the they're not going to raise the wages care workers. wages of social care workers. we either from either have workers from abroad or we homes unstaffed. or we have homes unstaffed. >> we have workers from abroad, nurses abroad, have nurses from abroad, or we have we on staffed . we we have wards on staffed. we need loads of workers in the country . it's always been country. it's always been a great source of pride for me that workers from all around the world, all across europe, want to live in britain to come and live in britain because greatest because britain's the greatest country a country in the world. and with a growing economy, we always need new need new new work. we always need new

workers to come through and come through. don't through. and what i don't understand is the mindset of people who are people like yourself who are just asserting that somewhere in the aether there is a demand and that we don't have nurses or care workers in our country . care workers in our country. >> no, no, john, that is not what's being said. what people are saying and have been saying at every general election, and particularly the brexit referendum since 2010 is we want control rules on immigration. the labour party said the same thing . it's people want thing. it's people want controls, it's not about stopping care workers, it's not about pulling the drawbridge up . about pulling the drawbridge up. it's about controlling the numbers and making it fair and equitable. and that includes for people who can't get a gp appointment , who can't get appointment, who can't get school places and feel that british wages for british workers are being suppressed . workers are being suppressed. thatis workers are being suppressed. that is a valid viewpoint of millions and millions of voters in every election since 2010. it's about saying we don't it's not about saying we don't want care workers. >> have any idea where >> have you got any idea where health from ? health workers come from? >> you've got on the one hand, you're people can't you're saying people can't access a gp who can't access the health on other

health service. on the other hand, claim hand, you're saying you claim some people a lot of people don't people to come in to don't want people to come in to work in the health service. you need out. you've work in the health service. you nee to out. you've work in the health service. you neeto balance out. you've work in the health service. you neeto balance it.)ut. you've work in the health service. you neeto balance it. we you've work in the health service. you neeto balance it. we need'e got to balance it. we need migration because we need the health service if health service staff. if the health service staff. if the health staffed, health service is staffed, people access gp's people can access gp's appointments. it's a very strange world live in where strange world you live in where you can stop you think you can stop people coming the country and coming to the country and actually way actually in some magical way have access to gps. we have greater access to gps. we don't gp's in from abroad, don't bring gp's in from abroad, don't bring gp's in from abroad, don't bring gp's in from abroad, don't bring nurses in from abroad five, six, abroad. we've got five, six, seven years to wait for people entering train those entering to train to do those jobs. so there's no basically the country voted to leave the european union. it was stupid and act to self harm. this government has been trying to adjust to that . there have been adjust to that. there have been immigration since we immigration controls since we left the european union. they've been set the government. been set by the tory government. you've with that. you've got a problem with that. you've got a problem with that. you've a problem the you've got a problem with the tory not with tony tory government, not with tony blair, not been in blair, who has not not been in government for 16 years. >> mcternan and >> okay, john mcternan and former tony blair advisor always a pleasure. and it's good to have robust exchange of views . have a robust exchange of views. i got a lot of time forjohn. i think a lot of people have to

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>> so i think there's a bit of a reverse ferret here. they'd rather her and keep rather keep her in and keep chucking and at . her chucking rats and snakes at. her >> definitely. >> definitely. >> and there is that factor of entertainment value when you think of the people who've had the most screen time , it's been the most screen time, it's been nella, it's been nigel. >> it's been sam thompson. >> it's been sam thompson. >> unfortunate for frankie dettori he didn't have much screen time. and if you haven't got that support, like someone like nigel farage has or nella rose , you are going to be seeing rose, you are going to be seeing all these less popular celebrities going and to be honest, i don't even think nella will be the next one to go. >> no . and of course, thing >> no. and of course, the thing is, know, as people is, steph, you know, as people fall by the wayside, people fall by the wayside, then people like more screen like nigel will get more screen time they can't him time. they can't airbrush him out. are and out. if there are fewer and fewer people in there. i think getting over that first hurdle is really important to have gone out medical reasons, out for medical reasons, but nobody first to nobody wants to be the first to get chop . think nigel get the old chop. i think nigel is stronger and is going to get stronger and stronger . stronger. >> yeah, i agree . i think he's >> yeah, i agree. i think he's got a massive following .

got a massive following. >> obviously he's got the gb news viewers who are supporting him. >> but i think as well, he's managed to connect with a lot of people. i think itv paid him £1.5 million to be on the show. >> apparently , but i think >> apparently, but i think that's how much you did get paid to be a divisive character . to be a divisive character. >> and i don't think he has been a character. think a divisive character. i think he's good sport. and he's been a very good sport. and i think people have actually loved stood by his ground. >> he hasn't. >> he hasn't. >> you know, purposely tried to start arguments . so i think when start arguments. so i think when it comes final, i'm it comes to the final, i'm predicting it's going to be an it comes to the final, i'm premaleg it's going to be an it comes to the final, i'm premaleg it's with] to be an it comes to the final, i'm premaleg it's with sam.e an it comes to the final, i'm premaleg it's with sam. nigel all male final with sam. nigel and fred. >> well, that's wants to go for. and as i've said all along, steph, if it gets that steph, if it gets down to that stage, it will be a de facto brexit referendum. if nigel gets the final steph takyi always a pleasure , never a chore. and pleasure, never a chore. and another pleasure. i've just been joined in the studio by michelle dewberry hello. dress next dewberry. hello. that dress next to that tree, i decided to come dressed as a christmas tree. >> beautiful. did . i mean, >> beautiful. i did. i mean, what is not to love about christmas am and truly christmas? i am well and truly into christmas spirit. i can into the christmas spirit. i can

tell right tell you right now. >> your about >> we had your tree up about a month ago, you? i did. month ago, didn't you? i did. >> honestly, i'd have >> i did. honestly, i'd have it up all round, actually, if up all year round, actually, if it didn't die, because i do like up all year round, actually, if it real|'t die, because i do like up all year round, actually, if it real one.3, because i do like up all year round, actually, if it real one. itbecause i do like up all year round, actually, if it real one. it woulde i do like up all year round, actually, if it real one. it would be do like up all year round, actually, if it real one. it would be dead,a a real one. it would be dead, wouldn't do love wouldn't it? but yeah, i do love christmas. at this christmas. i mean, look at this wonderful bookshelf packed full of the festive i mean of all the festive stuff. i mean , it's fabulous, isn't it? >> someone told those gb news >> someone told me those gb news baubles, big ones baubles, those. those big ones behind they're £17 a pair. behind us. they're £17 a pair. i might nick a couple. >> are you going to steal them? yeah. oh, i'm so tired. i don't think i would pay it. well, actually, to say, actually, i was going to say, would for two baubles? would i pay £17 for two baubles? i actually, if i probably would actually, if they news they were gb news ones. >> you go. >> there you go. >> there you go. >> right behind you. i'm >> they're right behind you. i'm going do going to do a i'm going to do a count. do a count of count. i'll do a head count of them as come in and as them all as i come in and as i go out any that they're go out at any time that they're going missing, i'm going to we know point know now, don't we, who to point the finger at. >> i've just quick minute. >> i've just got a quick minute. what's on your menu tonight? oh, yes, what's on your menu tonight? oh, yeswant unpick massive >> want to unpick that massive announcement james announcement there from james cleverly point cleverly and his five point plan. more point plan. there's more five point plans dinners. plan. there's more five point plans lost dinners. plan. there's more five point plans lost track dinners. plan. there's more five point plans lost track now dinners. plan. there's more five point plans lost track now of dinners. plan. there's more five point plans lost track now of howzrs. i have lost track now of how many many five point plans many how many five point plans there . don't there are. i don't know why i must be like politics. 101. you know, when everything going know, when everything is going

wrong, a five wrong, just randomly pull a five point plan out your armpit and hope that that fix hope that that will fix everything you could everything or you could potentially pull it out of a different potentially pull it out of a diffyforrt potentially pull it out of a diffyfor tea time television, is not for tea time television, is it? anyway, want to unpick it? anyway, so i want to unpick all is actually all of that. is it actually going i want to going to work? i also want to look starmer, his speech look at keir starmer, his speech today well. saying today as well. he's saying that many their many people have lost their future , basically. future, basically. and of course, praised margaret course, he praised margaret thatcher, many people thatcher, which so many people are crying about how are pretty much crying about how dare he have the audacity to say something nice or supportive about a political opponent. i want to talk as well about the potential bill going through parliament soon, about whether or not harry and meghan should have their royal titles, whether you not, about their you care or not, about their titles. and harry meghan for titles. and harry and meghan for that matter. is that good use that matter. is that a good use of i don't of parliament time? i don't know. me. know. you tell me. >> dewbs& co after the >> okay, dewbs& co after the break. same break. i'm back same time tomorrow. around for dewbs tomorrow. stick around for dewbs & thanks joining us on & co. thanks forjoining us on the . the show today. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb

news. >> hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. with the gb news forecast and it stays wet for the rest of today in many places with a lot of cloud cover, but colder and clearer conditions remain in the far north and they will spread a bit more widely overnight and into tuesday. we've got an area of low pressure tracking along southern parts and various weather systems wrapped around it, outbreaks of it, giving outbreaks of prolonged rain, especially for northeast england. southeast scotland risk of localised flooding here. and that combined with snow melt, could lead to some large accumulations as elsewhere outbreaks of rain continuing overnight for the midlands parts of wales and the south—west turning more showery later. but for northern scotland we've showers we've got rain and sleet showers combined with plummeting temperatures. some icy temperatures. so some icy patches first tuesday here patches first thing tuesday here and a frosty start for central and a frosty start for central and northern scotland as well as for parts of western northern ireland. where ireland. that's where the coldest weather will be. the coldest weather will be. the cold clear conditions in the cold but clear conditions in the north eventually replace the grey. but mild conditions

elsewhere . the rain in the east elsewhere. the rain in the east turns to showers by the afternoon, drier and brighter. further west with some sunny spells and highs of 7 to 9 celsius in the south, a 3 or 4 further north. and then those temperatures fall away widely on wednesday morning with widespread frost, some freezing fog patches first thing as well. for example, through the vale of york central and southern scotland. but for the next area of rain moves in, that will lead to some hill snow in the north on wednesday night into thursday , milder by the end of the week. >> feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

go anywhere. there's plans now to slash the number by 300,000, which by my back of the fag packet calculation would still mean circa 450,000 people coming in on average a year. can we sustain that ? worry not, though. sustain that? worry not, though. he has got a five point plan. everyone that's what we need. we'll be evaluating that and asking whether or not that is the answer to rising migration in this country. and keir starmer also giving a big speech

today, but this time