go anywhere. there's plans now to slash the number by 300,000, which by my back of the tag packet calculation would still mean circa 450,000 people coming in on average a year. can we sustain that .7 worry not, though. sustain that? worry not, though. he has got a five point plan. everyone that's what we need. we'll be evaluating that and asking whether or not that is the answer to rising migration in this country. and keir starmer also giving a big speech today, but this time re the

economy. he says the country no longer works the should longer works the way it should and that people are facing a loss their future. is he loss of their future. is he right? he's also come in for a bit of a kicking for praising margaret thatcher. controversial was he right to do so? and was she a force for good in this country? also, we're waiting to see how much the bbc licence fee will be increasing by rishi sunak. and our culture secretary has said planned £15 a year is has said a planned £15 a year is way too much. how how much should it be then? and do we even still need the licence fee? also, get this right . a tory mp also, get this right. a tory mp is planning to present a bill to parliament strip harry and parliament to strip harry and meghan of their royal titles . meghan of their royal titles. now whatever you think about their , all i'm asking is their titles, all i'm asking is this good use of parliament's this a good use of parliament's time . yes. we'll be getting time. yes. we'll be getting stuck into all of that. but before we do, let's cross live to polly middlehurst for tonight's latest headlines .

tonight's latest headlines. >> michelle, thank you. will the top story this hour? as you've been hearing, the home secretary was speaking in the house of commons today, and he says 300,000 fewer people will be able to come to the uk each year under new plans to bring down legal migration. overseas workers and students will be stopped from bringing family dependants with them. the minimum salary required for a skilled worker visa will also rise . to £38,700 from next rise. to £38,700 from next spring. and james cleverly says the measures are the best way forward for british taxpayers. british people will always do the right thing by those in need, but what they also and they are absolutely right to want it to reduce overall immigration numbers, not only by stopping the boats and shutting down illegal routes , but by well down illegal routes, but by well managed reduction in legal migration to. >> people are understandably worried about housing, about gp

appointments, about school places and access to other pubuc places and access to other public services when they can see their communities growing and growing quickly in numbers. james cleverly. >> well, in response , the shadow >> well, in response, the shadow environment secretary , steve environment secretary, steve reed, said taxpayers have heard it all before. how many times have we heard a succession of conservative home secretaries stand up in the chamber of the house of commons and tell us how much they're going to dig? >> increase migration by only to see it soar in the following the following few months? now the figure that james cleverly is talking about there, even if he manages to cut it the amount manages to cut it by the amount that and doubt that he's just said, and i doubt that he's just said, and i doubt that record that given their track record and then migration would be and even then migration would be around double the level that it was in december 2019 when they told us it was going , they were told us it was going, they were going cut it sir keir starmer going to cut it sir keir starmer has been speaking as well today. >> he says a labour government wouldn't put more pressure on taxpayers. he's speaking in london earlier on this morning

and he pledged his ministers would be ruthless when it came to public spending. that's after he accused the tories of letting pubuc he accused the tories of letting public finances deter koreagate. he promised labour would be obsessed with economic growth . obsessed with economic growth. >> if we are privileged enough to be elected next year. the quack diagnosis, the search for distractions and excuses all of that ends because the defining winning purpose of the next labour government, the mission that stands above all others , that stands above all others, will be raising britain's productive growth, a goal that for my labour party will become an obsession . the prime minister an obsession. the prime minister said today the bbc should be realistic about the licence fee increase. >> it's currently . at £159 >> it's currently. at £159 annually, but it's thought the corporation wants to hike the charge by as much as 9% next yeah charge by as much as 9% next year. that would make it £14 more. every month . the culture

more. every month. the culture secretary lucy frazer says the planned rise would be very high amid cost of living pressures and gb news understands the broadcaster could be forced to accept a lower increase of almost £17 billion is missing from the government's military budget. that's according to the national audit office, which has called the government's plans to purchase new weapons over the next decade. as unaffordable. it's due to cost rising by 27, outstripping a budget increase of more than £46 billion. the government says it is committed to increasing defence spending . to increasing defence spending. the north of england is set to get extra money to improve rail services. ministers are promising to invest, promising to invest almost £4 billion to upgrade the trans pennine route connecting manchester to huddersfield, leeds and york . huddersfield, leeds and york. that's after the prime minister scrapped the northern leg of hs2 between manchester and birmingham earlier on this year.

and nearly 30 flood warnings have been issued as the risk of snow subsides . it follows snow subsides. it follows a night of subzero temperatures and heavy snowfall, particularly in the north, with nearly 40 schools closed today in cumbria in the lake district . the yellow in the lake district. the yellow rain alert remains in place, though, for north east england. and the ice warning covers the whole of scotland until tomorrow morning . that's just about it morning. that's just about it from the newsroom . this is gb from the newsroom. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . and i'm keeping news channel. and i'm keeping you company till 7:00 tonight. >> alongside me, i've got the deputy leader of reform uk, ben habib, and also the journalist and broadcaster ella whelan. good evening to both of you. you know the drill as well, don't you, on this programme? it's not

just about us three here. it's very much about you guys at home. what is on your mind tonight? you can get in touch with me. all the usual ways. vaiews@gbnews.com or you can tweet me at nick gibb. news. vaiews@gbnews.com or you can tweegot e at nick gibb. news. vaiews@gbnews.com or you can tweegot a at nick gibb. news. vaiews@gbnews.com or you can tweegot a lot1ick gibb. news. vaiews@gbnews.com or you can tweegot a lot coming 3. news. vaiews@gbnews.com or you can tweegot a lot coming up news. vaiews@gbnews.com or you can tweegot a lot coming up onlews. vaiews@gbnews.com or you can tweegot a lot coming up on the ;. i've got a lot coming up on the programme tonight. i want to talk license fees. i want to talk license fees. i want to talk about harry and meghan's royal whether not royal titles, whether or not it's a use of parliamentary it's a good use of parliamentary time to be debating or not. time to be debating that or not. also, keir starmer on the economy course the big economy and of course the big news of the day, james cleverly nigel farage is not up next after me. in case you've not well, don't know where you've been, quite frankly, if you don't know where he is, but he is still in australia. don't forget we're asking all of you any of that are interested any of you that are interested in this topic and or nigel, let's turn out and vote for him to remain in the jungle. if you don't know what to do, worry not. we've made it simple for you. get your phone out. take a picture that squidgy picture of that black squidgy mesh on that mess on the corner of screen and it will tell of the screen and it will tell you what to do next. let's make him king of the jungle. king

him the king of the jungle. king nigel, what is not to love about that ? anyway? let's get stuck that? anyway? let's get stuck in, shall we? to our top story today, because the home secretary james cleverly, has unveiled five point plan. unveiled his five point plan. makes me laugh i think makes me laugh because i think there so many five point there are so many five point plans bit plans now. they're a bit ludicrous, aren't but ludicrous, aren't they? but anyway, he has got a plan. he is he is putting some numbers behind cross to behind it. let's cross live to westminster in to westminster to get stuck in to all of that. details with our political editor christopher hope evening hope christopher, good evening to you. bring the viewers who have just tuned in up to speed. what's gone today with what's gone on today with cleverly okay. >> what's happened today is the government is taking action to deal with net migration. that's the number of migrants who arrive here. legal through our border in the south coast border gates in the south coast of england or through our airports . we know that in the 12 airports. we know that in the 12 months to june this year, 672,000 and net people arrived here more than left. that's the that's the net figure. now, the measures to bring that down announced by the government today, a five point plan from

james cleverly including stopping workers bringing james cleverly including st(family workers bringing james cleverly including st(family dependantsi bringing james cleverly including st(family dependants and inging in family dependants and increasing the skilled worker, earning threshold to get a get a visa by a third to 38,700, doing something similar with the minimum minimum income for a family , lifting that from 18,000 family, lifting that from 18,000 to 38,000. what they're trying to 38,000. what they're trying to do is bring in more skilled migrants. essentially, they're reverse reverting to where they were before 2016. basically, it's a graduate only visa if you want to come here. what they're trying to eat into this overall number of 670, 72,000 who arrived here in the year to june. as i said, these measures announced today by james cleverly should bring that number down by 300,000, but that still means that the government net figure they're to have net figure they're happy to have coming year more than coming in every year more than leave is 372,000 people. now, that's a long way from the figure back in 2019 that the election when the government said it would bring down net migration below the 219,000 a year level, then is a big factor. more than that, if you take the numbers arrived in the

year to the end of december last yean year to the end of december last year, that was 700, 145,000. but that was swelled by the ukraine war. if you take off 300,000 of that, it's 445,000. these are big numbers, michel. those are being allowed to come here legally through the government's existing policy. is that what people voted for to control back in 2016? the big debate right now for tory mps, tories and labour and all voters is what level of net migration are you happy with? the government now is happy with 372,000 people arriving more than are leaving. is that a number we can sustain because the number of new homes being built is not that much? is that enough? is that a number which worries people worrying about gp surgery provision or school places? or can they get a council house? a minority of those are going to work, others aren't. the big challenge the government has got is there are a million. there are 1 million vacancies right now in the labour market at the 6 million

adults who are at home who can work and aren't working . and the work and aren't working. and the government is trying to stop the flow or slow the flow of foreign labour arriving in this country to get those people who aren't working back into work. it's back to british jobs for british workers. saw didn't we, workers. we saw that didn't we, in the 2000. but will it work? that's the question . and there's that's the question. and there's a reaction immediately from suella braverman. she's the shadow. she's a former home secretary of course, who was fired by rishi sunak, who was sacked. she said she welcomes it, but she worries that the government can go further because this salary threshold will only kick in in spring 2024. so the figures won't emerge until 2025. after the next general election. so this government will have gone through five years is nowhere near hitting its net migration target. essentially they've pred target. essentially they've ripped up their manifesto commitment from 2019, the one thing going i think, for the tory government is labour haven't got an answer. there are

nowhere near on this. i think the benefits of this kind of announcement today will probably be be nigel farage as you say, still in the jungle. but his reform party i think might see more people going towards that because this i think won't be enough for many people. >> yeah. and just a quick area of clarification . the number of clarification. the number that we're talking about here just clear, this excludes just to be clear, this excludes the people that are crossing the channel doesn't it? oh yes. >> i'm so sorry. this only deals with with net legal migration. separate to all that, michelle, later this week, we'll see government measures to try and stop the boats to stop these crossings over the south coast running at around 25,000, 23,000 so far this year. this weekend, the figure for 2021 was beaten. this year, it's down by a third. the government's done well on that because of a deal with albania . there's more albania. there's more cooperation with the french authorities . but still we are authorities. but still we are now running at more than we were in 2021. it's about 22, 23,000.

we'll see a treaty agreed probably this week by james cleverly, the home secretary with the with the government in rwanda. and that will mean that the idea is the government can try and take some of the people who arrive here by small boats to rwanda, process , assess their to rwanda, process, assess their details there, and then allow them to settle somewhere else. but not in the uk, but the agreement they've got going, which they'll sign, is to ensure that people are not sent back to the country they're fleeing from and them at risk. i think and to put them at risk. i think also the cabinet will meet tomorrow to work whether tomorrow to work out whether they disapply human rights they can disapply human rights in some situations for those who are leaving this country by going back to rwanda, because currently rights laws mean currently human rights laws mean it's to do so. it's very hard to do so. >> . chris pope, thank you >> indeed. chris pope, thank you very for bringing to very much for bringing us up to speed. ben habib, are you sitting there as a man? that's happy going, yes, james happy tonight going, yes, james cleverly's fixed it all. >> well, he clearly hasn't fixed it all because by their own assessment, numbers are only assessment, the numbers are only going to reduce by 300,000. but the first thing i want to say is

that the government has that somehow the government has got us all talking about net migration. yes, we've taken our eye completely the gross eye completely off the gross numbers coming into the country, and this is the latest figures that were released. 1.2 million people came to the united kingdom last year, 1.1 million people. and the year before that, 700 odd thousand. so you're talking about 3.5 million people have emigrated from their countries into the united kingdom. that's 5% of our population has changed. and what we've lost, of course, is british citizens who were working in the united kingdom. and we don't have anything more than anecdotal evidence for it. but you can bet your bottom dollar the people we've lost are people who've got fed up with the inability to make a proper living in uk , have living in the uk, have aspirations, want to go abroad where the tax regime and regulatory regime is better for them and their businesses and that's what we're doing with the migration issue. we're actually hollowing out our own workforce . hollowing out our own workforce. and christopher hope touched on

it when he talked about the 6 million people who are on universal credit at the moment . universal credit at the moment. that figure like migration , ian, that figure like migration, ian, has doubled since 2019. it was 3 million people on universal credit since then. so you've got 6 million people to some extent, significant extent economically inactive in the uk. and what we haven't seen from this government is what i would call a joined up approach . you've got a joined up approach. you've got to promote people into the workforce. at the same time as you reduce migration . you reduce migration. >> indeed. ella, your thoughts ? >> indeed. ella, your thoughts? >> indeed. ella, your thoughts? >> indeed. ella, your thoughts? >> i am disappointed by this announcement. probably for a different reason. in fact , i'm different reason. in fact, i'm sort of a bit shocked at the whole kind of british jobs. british workers slogan being used so low in such a cavalier fashion , again, because to me fashion, again, because to me that always signified something particularly reactionary in politics from the early 2000. and i'm depressed that it's come back around again . i think when back around again. i think when governments are in tight spots and this one in an extremely

and this one is in an extremely tight spot , failing left, right tight spot, failing left, right and centre , too often they and centre, too often they decide to try and make a victory out of passing the buck of their failures to immigrants. and i think that what james cleverly and the government is trying to do at the moment is pretend like if we shut the doors and kick a load of people on universal credit back into work, that everything will be rosy. i mean, there is the fact that we have such high levels of migration are down to failures in, you know, take for example , the, know, take for example, the, the, the situation around social care. huge amount of people working in that are migrants. it's reliant on migrant work in the autumn budget you had absolutely i think pretty much no mention of anything in relation to social care. that is a part of life that the government had an increase in the minimum wage. well, the government doesn't seem to care about that sector. i mean, you have if neither the have to have if neither the conservatives nor as we found out today from keir starmer, the labour are interested in

labour party are interested in growing the economy to provide more resources for people to do something, to make us have more houses, more gp surgeries , houses, more gp surgeries, whatever it is, have more in our lives , what they do to try and lives, what they do to try and get out of that failure is to say we'll fix this by kicking a load of people out or shutting the doors. but are you, are you content suella with the level of migration uk, are you migration into the uk, are you content these numbers? content with these numbers? i think that interesting think that the interesting thing is ask people why is that if you ask people why they're not content with it, they're not content with it, they say it's because i can't get gp appointment, i can't get a gp appointment, i can't get a gp appointment, i can't get house. legitimate . not get a house. all legitimate. not the for true things. yeah the answer for me that isn't to reduce me to that isn't to reduce immigration levels, but to build more houses is to create more jobs, to grow our economy. >> so my question is, are you content with the level of migration into this country? are you content with the population changing at rate of 5% every changing at the rate of 5% every three years? >> not yeah, i'm not >> i'm not yeah, i'm not bothered numbers. in bothered by the numbers. in actual fact, it's not it's not a problem for because i think problem for me because i think the is a lack of the problem is a lack of resources. too people. resources. not too many people. i just got this all

i think we've just got this all twisted around the wrong way, as if just if there's less of if we just if there's less of us, we'll have more of this us, then we'll have more of this measly resources measly little cake of resources that government has provided that the government has provided to share out between us, when in actual fact, i think we should be more. but why? be demanding more. but why? >> do you look? why do you >> why do you look? why do you look to the government to provide resources for the economy grow. we need? economy to grow. what we need? surely i can't do it and you surely is i can't do it and you can't do it. it's the can't do it. but it's the private private private sector. it's the private sector to grow the economy. >> so what you saying what discussions about growth so discussions about growth or so you productivity you know, the productivity in this has nothing to this country has got nothing to do politicians. do with politicians. >> so if you cut back migration, when you back tax on the when you cut back tax on the working in middle classes, you cut back tax on businesses , you cut back tax on businesses, you deregulate the regulations to which businesses and private sector are subject , they will sector are subject, they will automatically start employing more british people . growth will more british people. growth will automatically take place. the exchequer will collect more tax. that's the principle . that's the principle. >> and i think i think you're sorely mistaken in thinking that all of our problems in relation to the economy are coming to

down come down to a tinkering around with tax. well, we're going around with tax. well, we're goiiwe're going to in a second >> we're going to in a second after the break. >> i'm not talking about tinkering. talking about tinkering. i'm talking about slashing. going the top. >> we're top. » w... top. >> we're to focus on the >> we're going to focus on the economy just a second. let me economy in just a second. let me ask you this. when you're saying we more houses, we can just build more houses, build this, that and the build more, this, that and the other, is there part of you other, is there a part of you that actually sits there and thinks, of an thinks, actually the size of an island a finite thing? island is a finite thing? there's space to be there's only so much space to be building this stuff on, only building all this stuff on, only so much room for whatever it is, whether it's schools whatever whether it's schools or whatever is that if we is there a concern that if we keep populating at this keep over populating at this rate, where you where you're putting things, it's a putting all these things, it's a total that we're overpopulated. >> i mean, amount of just >> i mean, the amount of just sort like physical land that sort of like physical land that is in this is developed upon in this country smaller is country is a lot smaller than is made be. made out to be. >> but do you appreciate. >> but do you appreciate. >> hang on. let me finish. we should be doing things, exciting things like, you know, building should be doing things, exciting thingtowns, you know, building should be doing things, exciting thingtowns, new know, building should be doing things, exciting thingtowns, new cities, building should be doing things, exciting thingtowns, new cities, new,ing should be doing things, exciting thingtowns, new cities, new, you new towns, new cities, new, you know, things like know, think of things like milton keynes order milton keynes in order to provide for people provide resources for people who are here. and are already living here. and also might not might also people that might not might not or to come here

not need or want to come here building milton keynes building a new milton keynes costs i mean, which is costs money. i mean, which is why we need a booming economy. >> and which is why you >> yeah. and which is why you need private firing need the private sector firing on cylinders, which is why need the private sector firing on need inders, which is why need the private sector firing on need inders, people s why need the private sector firing on need inders, people working you need british people working the migration. the legs of migration. migration. let me just say migration ponzi scheme. migration is a ponzi scheme. getting order getting in cheap labour in order to fill gaps in the british work market, which we can't fulfil, is scheme because these is a ponzi scheme because these people need people get older, they need health services, they need houses, pensions and health services, they need houtake pensions and health services, they need houtake in pensions and health services, they need houtake in more pensions and health services, they need houtake in more people)ns and health services, they need houtake in more people and and health services, they need houtake in more people and it'si you take in more people and it's a scheme out of which you a ponzi scheme out of which you can't escape you fit, can't escape unless you fit, unless problem unless you hit the problem squarely head. there squarely on the head. well there youthere's another problem we >> there's another problem we need hh >> there's another problem we need hit squarely the head need to hit squarely on the head is that these two were is the one that these two were alluded to already, which is a situation the economy. keir situation in the economy. keir starmer speaking today starmer been speaking out today about is going fix the about how he is going to fix the future of the economy. we'll come and come back to this debate and focus keir after the

you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> so . hi there, michelle dewberry. >> till 7:00. deputy leader of

reform uk, ben habib, alongside me as this journalist and broadcaster ella whelan . we've broadcaster ella whelan. we've just been talking about migration . tina says, why are migration. tina says, why are you not asking , why are all you not asking, why are all these plans not implemented tomorrow? why are we waiting until till the spring? i think that's an interesting point that ben is nodding along, i think in agreement you. lee says agreement with you. lee says this the same story over this always the same story over and say all and over again. they say all these things and ultimately nothing happens. is this do the government want to get voted out? tory. never vote out? ask tory. i'll never vote tory ever again. he says. 400,000 migrants there or thereabouts is an absolute joke. he says . as nigel again echoes he says. as nigel again echoes that says what an absolute joke. the number should be 50,000 with no family members at all. many of you as well saying, why don't we just close says close all migration for a decade and go from there. claire again echoing why are we waiting till the for spnng why are we waiting till the for spring these changes? why wouldn't you start it now if indeed enough is enough? anyway sir starmer, he has been sir keir starmer, he has been speaking out today. focus of

course, economy how speaking out today. focus of coucan economy how speaking out today. focus of coucan grow economy how speaking out today. focus of coucan grow it.3conomy how speaking out today. focus of coucan grow it. let's my how speaking out today. focus of coucan grow it. let's have how speaking out today. focus of coucan grow it. let's have a how we can grow it. let's have a listen. some of the things he had to say. >> what my parents felt in the 19705 >> what my parents felt in the 1970s was that whilst day to day life was often tough, the future would be a happier place . would be a happier place. britain would be better for your children, hard work in the end, in the long run would be rewarded and that was actually a comfort to them. a security blanket. if you like. but one which for working people in britain. now sadly , it no longer britain. now sadly, it no longer exists . ben britain. now sadly, it no longer exists. ben habib out like britain. now sadly, it no longer exists . ben habib out like what exists. ben habib out like what i would describe as like a chortle during that. >> why ? >> why? >> why? >> well i mean he's talking about growing the economy. the keir starmer is completely wed to the european union . the to the european union. the european union's economic economic model is what i would call progressive socialism, big state intervention , in their state intervention, in their case from the european union and indeed member state governments , indeed member state governments, big state intervention , big

big state intervention, big spending, massive taxes . that's spending, massive taxes. that's exactly the same model that we've been practising in the uk for the last 25 years since tony blair became prime minister. he nearly busted the country in 2008. this lot have busted it again. that model doesn't work. the pendulum has swung far too far over towards state intervention , state spending, intervention, state spending, state largesse . the nanny state state largesse. the nanny state has gone to being a wet nurse rather than being a nanny state. and private enterprise is being crushed. people the working in middle classes are being crushed . aspiration has been replaced by dependency, wealth creation has been replaced by wealth redistribution . an and that is redistribution. an and that is what keir starmer stands for when he says he's going to grow the economy, all he's going to do is more of the same . that's do is more of the same. that's been done for the last 25 years. there's nothing new in what he says and we know for sure says and we know that for sure because he said in montreal a few weeks ago that his approach to the eu would be to mimic their regulatory framework so

that we are very close to the eu. he wouldn't do anything to champion british national interests. so we're wed to that model. we're not getting out of it. you vote tory, you get laboun it. you vote tory, you get labour, you vote labour, you get laboun labour, you vote labour, you get labour, i'll come back to you on that in a sec. >> but ella, your thoughts? >> but ella, your thoughts? >> i think that's incredibly depressing that has in a sort depressing that he has in a sort of pre—election bid , admitted of pre—election bid, admitted defeat in the economy, which is basically saying we're going to have by other means and maybe call it another world austerity. there's not going to be any you know, he said, if you think that i'm paraphrasing here, but something like if you think that the labour party is going to break out the but the open the purse strings, you're wrong that the purse strings are already wide open. >> well, mean, but but >> well, but i mean, but but if you take average person's you take your average person's daily interaction with public services , you know, whatever services, you know, whatever they are, they're falling apart at the seams. >> they're obviously under i discussed about the nhs . discussed about the nhs. everybody admits the nhs needs

more money. everybody admits that the nhs . i can't admit that the nhs. i can't admit that, can't spend the money. well, well, i mean, you know , well, well, i mean, you know, have a kid in the nhs and i'll tell you what it's like. it definitely does need more funding, more staff, but it spends the money very, very badly. so there's mishandle of badly. so there's a mishandle of pubuc badly. so there's a mishandle of public services, but there's also a fact that a lot of them have been run down over the last few years. now that happened throughout labour throughout the labour government. it's happened worse with conservative government. it's happened worse with conrbutative government. it's happened worse with conrbut announcement government, but announcement from leader of from an opposition leader of basically things aren't basically saying things aren't going to if they change it won't change the better is change for the better is essentially he's and essentially what he's saying and he's blaming it on the conservatives by saying we're inheriting terrible situation. inheriting a terrible situation. i incredibly i mean, it's an incredibly depressing prospect for voters going into a ballot box. we've just had a row about about immigration debate. we had a debate, a debate about immigration, a robust debate. >> but the you know, the kind of under neath all of these sort of discussions is about how people interact in their daily lives with their quality of life, what kind of resources they can have, what sort of, as he says, what

future they might have their for their kids. >> and most people looking today can nothing but bleak. but can see nothing but bleak. but you about resources, ella . you talk about resources, ella. >> you repeatedly talk about whose resources, where does this resource come from? there's only one mechanism by which the united kingdom can accrue resource and that is through individuals working hard, making money and saving their money. we need the private sector has been decimated . most most jobs in decimated. most most jobs in this country now come either directly or indirectly from the pubuc directly or indirectly from the public sector. there's been no shortage of spending. >> i think that the interest i mean, i think it's interesting that you seem believe that that you seem to believe that the private that we some the private that we have some it's kind the trustee an it's the kind of the trustee an idea that we have sort of idea that we have this sort of bunch ready to go capitalists bunch of ready to go capitalists who have just been strangled by whatever regulation or whatever it is, regulation or taxation or , you know, rates. taxation or, you know, rates. >> we just let them >> and if we just let them loose, they will bust out and make some money. i actually make us some money. i actually think that the private sector and that it's a lot more whether it's sluggish or cowardly, mired in the kind of woke capitalism

stuff, mired in green politics, there is not that sort of dynamism within the private sector. >> clearly, you're you're wishful thinking. there's no motivation for that dynamism because if you open up a business, you pay a higher corporation tax rate in this country than across europe. >> if you employ people, you pay a much higher rate or those a much higher tax rate or those people pay a higher tax people pay a much higher tax rate they do in many other rate than they do in many other parts of europe. now, there is no motivation, why no motivation, and that's why i say aspiration replaced say aspiration has been replaced with dependency completely. resource come from the resource cannot come from the government. it to come from government. it has to come from within people of this country. >> completely with you >> i completely agree with you on making it on in relation to making it easier and more and more accessible for more start ups or whatever. >> anything kind of business to do something big and exciting and make investment. and all of thatis and make investment. and all of that is absolutely fine . but the that is absolutely fine. but the idea that that has to be in sort of in in a war with cutting pubuc of in in a war with cutting public services or taking i'm not talking about cutting public services is a nonsense. >> i'm not talking about cutting

pubuc >> i'm not talking about cutting public services. public services, by way, have had services, by the way, have had a lot money on them. as lot of money spent on them. as you rightly indicated, the problem services problem with our public services is grossly is they have been grossly mismanage. and of the other mismanage. and one of the other issues here when you touched on it as which i'm glad you it as well, which i'm glad you did, this inexorable drive to did, is this inexorable drive to net that is putting net zero that is putting a massive cost burden on the entire economy. every individual in this country, the government doesn't tell the truth about it. by doesn't tell the truth about it. by theresa may's assessment by theresa may's own assessment that drive to net zero is 1.4 trillion. some people now put the cost at 3 trillion. we can't afford we need pare back afford it. we need to pare back all this nonsense. we need to deregulate it, cut taxes on business, cut taxes on working in classes and rocket in middle classes and rocket propelled the economy. we've got to aspiration again . it's gone. >> we agree on net zero. >> we agree on net zero. >> i wouldn't say pare it back. i'd say scrap it and scrap it, scrap it and it is telling that in keir starmer's speech and everything that the labour party has put out the background is has put out in the background is this sort of lie within their sort of narrative of which is the you push the idea that you can push forward green austerity and forward with green austerity and blame on the conservatives or

blame it on the conservatives or blame it on the conservatives or blame else. they blame it on something else. they are their plans a are baking into their plans is a reduction of living standards through. >> one of the things >> well, one of the things i thought was interesting, we were talking about entrepreneurial ism starmer. he has come ism keir starmer. he has come under at the under fire because at the weekend article weekend he did an article in the telegraph don't if telegraph and i don't know if i've telegraph and i don't know if pve the telegraph and i don't know if i've the front page of the i've got the front page of the daily to you today, daily mirror to show you today, but people are outraged because basically in some way basically he praised in some way margaret thatcher for what he would say setting loose basically the entrepreneurial ism in this country. the daily mirror says thatcher backlash hits starmer . that's their front hits starmer. that's their front page there. people are livid that he said that. well i mean i mean, all i can say is that at best i describe that as political opportunism. >> at worst. i think he's a liar because he clearly does not believe in thatcherite policies. he doesn't believe in democratising the earning of money, which is, you know , money, which is, you know, cutting taxes so you can keep what you earn. he doesn't believe in that. he believes in a large state. look at his look at his his mentor , tony blair, at his his mentor, tony blair, sitting in the background . tony sitting in the background. tony blair's approach was state

intervention, state intervention and state intervention . why do and state intervention. why do we esg ? tony blair laid the we have esg? tony blair laid the foundations for it. why do we have diversity, equality and inclusion? blair laid the inclusion? tony blair laid the foundations for it. why do we have borders? tony blair have open borders? tony blair opened all this , opened the borders. all of this, all of all of the yardsticks by which keir starmer is going to create policy come from tony blair. tony blair should be nowhere near governors. well, tony blair's doing very well at the moment with his institute. >> but notice >> i can't help but notice anywhere wrong to anywhere else. was he wrong to praise thatcher? >> well, there's a lot of failed politicians who are doing very well in the well these days. but in the lords elsewhere. lords and elsewhere. >> true. >> but that's true. >> but that's true. >> i actually am less surprised about thatcher sort of flag about the thatcher sort of flag waving, because i think the thing the thing aside thing you know, the thing aside from sort of economic policy, the thing thatcher the thing about thatcher was that was a particularly kind that she was a particularly kind of conservative that had no interest in the power and working class politics and democratic engagement in politics. yes. and obviously, her history in relating with the working class is one that speaks

for himself. tony blair came along and in a similar vein through, you know, the prime before of esg and the idea that a government should tell people what to think, tell people what to do. absolutely had a similar disinterest in the power of the working class and the power of the and democracy and all the masses and democracy and all the masses and democracy and all the of and keir starmer the rest of it. and keir starmer fits neatly into line. you fits neatly into that line. you know, idea that he's i would know, the idea that he's i would say is closer to thatcher say he is far closer to thatcher than he is in relation to anything. you use the word socialism earlier, far closer to thatcher than he is to that he's a dull centrist sort of labour blairite who and i'm afraid the conservative party is moving inwards. the labour party is moving inwards and you couldn't fit a cigarette paper between the two of them and totally agree with that is going to be dull as dull. >> it won't be because we will have news uk. have gb news uk. >> we will reform uk, we'll >> we will have reform uk, we'll be covering it all. won't be be covering it all. it won't be bonng be covering it all. it won't be boring and yeah, actually that whole conversation reform boring and yeah, actually that wh(and onversation reform boring and yeah, actually that wh(and onvrole,ion reform boring and yeah, actually that wh(and onv role, potential reform boring and yeah, actually that wh(and onv role, potential role m uk and its role, potential role in the next election is a fascinating one. and also i'm finding quite interesting the

whole whether finding quite interesting the winot whether finding quite interesting the winot nigel whether finding quite interesting the winot nigel farage whether finding quite interesting the winot nigel farage should/hether finding quite interesting the winot nigel farage should be ther or not nigel farage should be back tories. i find that back in the tories. i find that interesting well, you interesting as well, what you make of all anyway, this esg make of it all anyway, this esg that we keep referring to, in case not familiar with case you're not familiar with it, is it environmental, social and it and governance? is that what it stands does, isn't it? stands for? esg does, isn't it? it's all about basically like stands for? esg does, isn't it? it'sofl about basically like stands for? esg does, isn't it? it'sofl ab

>> your listening to gb news radio . radio. >> hi there, michelle dewberry with you till seven. ben habib , with you till seven. ben habib, deputy leader of reform uk, alongside me as is the journalist and broadcaster ella whelan. lots of you guys getting in touch. jennifer says,

michelle, you're talking about the nhs . they have pumped so the nhs. they have pumped so money, so much money into the nhs . it's not money, so much money into the nhs. it's not working. she money, so much money into the nhs . it's not working. she says nhs. it's not working. she says it needs totally reorganising and we say this as a medical family, someone else, bob says. michelle, how many of these people on universal credit are not able to work because they cannot access, get treatment on the nhs? one of my other viewers, i've just forgot your name. i've scrolled past name. sorry i've scrolled past it the reform party it says that the reform party would nightmare for british would be a nightmare for british politics, says, because politics, she says, because you want proportional want to bring in proportional representation. and she said want to bring in proportional reprethat ation. and she said want to bring in proportional reprethat atiorcreate she said want to bring in proportional reprethat atiorcreate carnage in that that will create carnage in this because you won't this country because you won't have majority governments. well because has because first past the post has produced great government produced such great government for last 25 years. for the last 25 years. >> look look at the look >> look at the look at the look at the. well, i can't use the language comes my language that comes into my speechless you've him speechless. you've made him speechless. you've made him speechless. first past speechless. i mean, first past the been disaster. the post has been a disaster. the seat majority, boris the 80 seat majority, boris johnson had what's he done johnson had and what's he done he's is wasted it completely. well you go . well there you go. >> says michelle please can >> andy says michelle please can gb more about gb news talk more about migration? doesn't cover it migration? it doesn't cover it enough yours, enough sarcastically yours, andy. he says . andy, i can tell

andy. he says. andy, i can tell you now migration in this country the number net migration . et cetera is a problem. is a situation that is at the root of many problems. many people would say, whether it's access to housing, you can't just keep increasing a population, surely without having a knock on effect on pretty much every aspect of society. that's what i would say in response to that. but anyway, the conservative mp bob seely , the conservative mp bob seely, he he wants to pass he has said he wants to pass a bill parliament that would bill in parliament that would strip duchess strip the duke and duchess of sussex their titles. many sussex of their titles. many people will have a strong view as to whether or not these people should royal titles people should have royal titles in place. but in the first place. but notwithstanding that, you could share view that you share your view on that if you want. you think this is want. but do you think this is a good use of parliamentary time? >> ben so i indulge in a bit of harry meghan yesterday. harry and meghan chat yesterday. i news and all the i think on gb news and all the social media feedback i got was, why are you wasting time on harry and meghan? and i agree with the social media feedback. i can't bear chatting about harry and meghan. i just see to self entitled self indulgent,

whinging snow flake millennials and i wish they'd just get off our screen, go to the states and leave us alone. >> so hence my question. but do you parliament should doing. >> i couldn't. i no, i mean i couldn't care. they can do it or not do it. it seems like a waste. any attention given to harry and meghan is attention wasted? >> hello. >> hello. >> well, i'm going to completely agree with that. with an agree with that. but with an extra bit, which is that i think it's interest wasting. i think the and meghan sort of the harry and meghan sort of celebrities ization royal celebrities ization of the royal family has been interesting because cause and actually in many ways other members of the royal family with their sort of um , but taking a more um, but taking a more interventionist approach in pubuc interventionist approach in public life and political life than they would previously. the tie incident being a great example of that. king charles and the greek tie, this sort of like courting, courting public opinion , which, you know, opinion, which, you know, obviously the late queen never did , i think opens up did, i think opens up interesting discussions about the role of the royal family,

the role of the royal family, the future of the royal family and, you know, someone who's a republican like me might say, i'm not sure i should waste parliamentary time it, but parliamentary time on it, but maybe you know, a bigger discussion about whether or not this family as sort of soap opera esque as they seem to be moving towards actually is worth it is something i do want to talk about. >> jeff says. good evening, everyone. it's time the royal family was disbanded , as no family was disbanded, as no single family should have so much privilege. land and luxury off the backs of the poor, pensioners and taxpayer. others in this country , john says, in this country, john says, discussing this in parliament. given everything that's going on in society, is somebody having a laugh? steve says don't mind a quick chat in parliament if it means harry and meghan are stripped of their titles. someone tells me, i don't think it'd quick chat, just to be it'd be a quick chat, just to be clear on this, is the bill. clear on this, this is the bill. would the deprivation would be the titles deprivation 1917 bill. it 1917 act amendment bill. it would allow vote in to would allow a vote in to parliament advise the privy council strip member of the council to strip a member of the royal family titles. if royal family of their titles. if passed , it would adapt laws

passed, it would adapt laws originally passed in the first world war to strip any enemy german nobles of their british title titles. i mean to your point, i'm not sure that people actually care about this topic, ben enough. do they ? ben enough. do they? >> i don't think they care. i think people are fed up with harry and meghan and i can't think of two luckier people in the world. they've got all the wealth that any couple could possibly they've got possibly want. they've got lovely can jet possibly want. they've got lov> all they do is seek to monetise their titles whilst bashing their family. lots of you getting in touch as well. still that immigration still about that immigration topic. alison is saying that big business is profiteering from all of the uncontrolled immigration leaving carers. et cetera. stuck on minimum wages. oh, i've asked this question many times. why do we value caring so little in this country that we do pay those people

minimum wage ? surely it's one of minimum wage? surely it's one of the best, most important, most valuable jobs we can do in this country to and make healthy country to care and make healthy and safe and well. another individual , and safe and well. another individual, isn't it? you tell me look i want to talk me anyway. look i want to talk to you about a topic that i know we'll get you guys talking the bbc like science fee. of course, we know by now how much we don't know by now how much it's going increase by what it's going to increase by what is amount, you is your amount, what would you be with? has been be happy with? £15 has been floated as a would that floated as a figure. would that work guys ? do we need work for you guys? do we need the licence fee all? your the licence fee at all? your thoughts

hello there. michelle dewberry seven deputy leader of reform uk ben habib and journalist broadcaster ella whelan alongside me. let's talk the bbc licence fee, shall we? because it was expected to rise by £15 in april . that would have taken in april. that would have taken it to £173.30 but a few people

have been speaking out on this rishi sunak being one. the culture secretary, lucy frazer been another, basically saying that it been another, basically saying thatitis been another, basically saying that it is too high, never mind it being too high. actually i think the remit of it is quite broad because this is not all about whether or not you just watch the bbc. so the licence fee basically covers you if you want to watch any streaming service live. so for example, it would be like a youtube. if you want to watch youtube live, if you want to watch us, i say us. but any channel, quite frankly on a streaming service, whether that's, say, netflix or amazon prime or whatever. ben habib where are you on the licence fee ? >> well, 7- >> well, i ? >> well, i think i think the bbc should have all its licence fee income cancelled. i can't, i can't see a justification for it. it's effectively a taxation on the british people. and if it's going to be a taxation on the british people, the bbc should be providing a public service and i don't think the bbc provides anything beyond any other news channel or any other

channel for that, for that, for that matter. i often find myself watching gb news to find out what's going on in the world and much broader and much broader perspective than what bbc has now, which increasingly pumps its own ideology on the climate. its own ideology on immigration, its own ideology, on brexit or its own ideology, on brexit or its anti position on brexit. i mean, i can't see what the pubuc mean, i can't see what the public service provision of the bbc is. and absent a public service provision, it should have its income from the public abolished and so it should just go . and frankly, i don't care if go. and frankly, i don't care if the bbc goes bust. so what? no one's going to miss it. stop the income instantly. why would we miss it? we wouldn't miss a thing if the bbc went bust. if you miss a thing, if it went bust, i would. >> i'm a big fan of the bbc. okay i agree on the licence fee. i think that it is. i think we just don't talk enough that you know, people go to jail , got know, people go to jail, got prosecuted for not paying the licence fee. it's mainly licence fee. and it's mainly women, mainly older women. women, it's mainly older women.

it i mean, they go to jail. it is. i mean, they go to jail. it is. i mean, they go to jail. i yeah, it would bad if i mean, yeah, it would be bad if it but i mean, it's it was men, but i mean, it's just this obvious problem that nobody, know, who's a nobody, you know, nobody who's a supporter generally supporter of the bbc generally talks i would scrap talks about. so i would scrap the and think that the the fee. and i think that the strength the bbc would stand strength of the bbc would stand on a sort of subscription basis. i at the moment, the sort i mean, at the moment, the sort of of a lot of bbc output of tenor of a lot of bbc output can be great, it can be it can have its biases and i would agree with you, you know, it was as brexiteer listening to as a brexiteer listening to radio and all the rest of radio four and all the rest of it throughout 2016, 2017, it throughout the 2016, 2017, 2018 years. it was painful . it 2018 years. it was painful. it was painful. a lot of what pubuc was painful. a lot of what public service do think it public service do you think it provides? that there's provides? i think that there's you of its arts you know, in terms of its arts programme, is. ithink you know, in terms of its arts programme, is. i think a lot programme, it is. i think a lot of time unmatched. i think some of time unmatched. i think some of the bbc archive is just wonderful television, wonderful entertainment. some of the, you know, dramas and series. it's put on over the years have been fantastic. i think it's still the best for international reporting. i'm pretty much co—parenting with cbeebies at this point. you know, all of that i think is means that if we move to a subscription model

like netflix or whatever for that, people would pay for it . i that, people would pay for it. i think at the moment you're think that at the moment you're sort of being held by your sort of collar , forced to pay for of collar, forced to pay for something that a lot of people think isn't value for money. and the world has changed and we are in a world in which particularly young people, which everyone seems with this seems obsessed with in this realm and media, don't realm of tv and media, don't watch telly. most actually, most young people don't have televisions . they do everything televisions. they do everything on on demand on their laptop. it's on demand and rest of so and all the rest of it. so i think it's probably time for the bbc to get with the times and certainly not to brazen as certainly not to be as brazen as trying to increase the fee by as reported allegedly as much as 9, one and a half times the rate of current inflation. >> that's massive. >> that's massive. >> steve, you've got the wrong end of the stick here, fella, because steve is saying £15 sounds not a bad amount to me, but they're not saying about charging you £15, talking about that would be the incremental cost to the licence fee. and we talk about prosecute ons. must talk about prosecute ons. i must confess, don't how many confess, i don't know how many people are sent to jail, but

apparently about a thousand people are prosecuted apparently about a thousand pecfailing are prosecuted apparently about a thousand pecfailing pay are prosecuted apparently about a thousand pecfailing pay their prosecuted for failing to pay their tv licence . yes, apparently licence. yes, apparently this makes common crime makes it the most common crime in country outside of in the country outside of motoring offences . about 70% of motoring offences. about 70% of those people that receive those fines women and licence fee fines are women and licence fee evasion now accounts for around a fifth of all criminal prosecute actions made against women in. i found that actually quite interesting. if you refuse to pay your television licence, you can get a criminal record and the details can show up on and the details can show up on an enhanced dbs check as well . an enhanced dbs check as well. and i do just need to stress this because even if you want to watch gb news, which thank you and high five for doing so, if you watch it live, for example, just on youtube, you still have to have a licence fee for that. i've got to say that feels a little bit peculiar to me in terms of fairness. maybe you guys will agree with that. alan says basically a tax and it says it's basically a tax and it should is a throwback to the should go is a throwback to the beginning of tv and radio when there only or 2 channels there were only 1 or 2 channels to watch . but again, of to watch. but again, lots of people, marc it's about people, marc says it's about time was switched paid

time it was switched to a paid subscription. you're saying i don't the bbc on my tv. but don't want the bbc on my tv. but as i've said, it's not just about bbc and it's not just about the bbc and it's not just about the bbc and it's not just about television either, karen says. you could have the licence fee and stop paying the likes of lineker. absolutely massive lineker. he's absolutely massive salaries . that lineker. he's absolutely massive salaries. that is a good point, though, isn't it? i mean, what is public service about paying someone £1 million plus to talk about football ? about football? >> i mean, obviously fees and television can eye—watering television can be eye—watering and you know, what can and that's you know, what can you do about that? but there are some know, particularly when some you know, particularly when the sort of pay gap row is happening i found happening in the bbc. i found out stomach when two out how to stomach when two people were rowing over who had 400,000 who 300,000. so 400,000 and who had 300,000. so there's definitely a sort of that just doesn't work with people but the other people at home. but the other thing i wanted to mention about the licence fee is i think it's interesting that supporters of the remove the the bbc say if you remove the licence then you wouldn't licence fee, then you wouldn't have sort of have any of the sort of educational output arts output or anything like that because people sort of people just and the sort of assumption people just assumption is people just want trash but no one wants

trash telly, but no one wants the highbrow ban. >> bbc doing anything >> the bbc from doing anything other then or other than art. then or educational. know ban educational. you know just ban them all other bits. them from all the other bits. >> but i thought the point >> no, but i thought the point i'm that there's this i'm making is that there's this suggestion that viewers just want trash telly and trash telly, all the telly, cells and that all the other nice highbrow other stuff, the nice highbrow stuff that the bbc does would be lost. actually think that lost. i actually think that people more complex in people are much more complex in their and if you people are much more complex in the by and if you people are much more complex in the by some and if you people are much more complex in the by some of and if you people are much more complex in the by some of the, and if you people are much more complex in the by some of the, youi if you people are much more complex in the by some of the, you know,| people are much more complex in the by some of the, you know, the go by some of the, you know, the interest in some of the stuff that sort of european television that's recently that's come out recently and crime dramas and things like that, people have people have varied and i think varied interests. and i think a subscription could subscription model could work. >> says should make >> steve says you should make them advertising hours for them use advertising hours for their money. they then be their money. they would then be no from a commercial no different from a commercial station, make station, he says. make it a level playing field for all. who's this? nigel says he can't believe that you wouldn't miss the world service. and by the way, you say what public service as the bbc ever done. what is it, given public? well, it, given the public? well, hello. about me? i'm hello. what about me? i'm a product of the bbc. but you've now graduated. >> public me everybody. >> how would you be able to live ben habib out anyway, ben habib without out me anyway,

i you guys ponder what i shall let you guys ponder what you'd be happy to pay for the bbc what? that should bbc licence. what? that should be going forward. but for now that's i've got for. that's all i've got time for. ella whelan. you for your ella whelan. thank you for your company. habib. for company. ben habib. thanks for yours, good night. yours, guys. have a good night. i'll you tomorrow. and i'll see you tomorrow. and a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here from the metaverse. with the gb news forecast. it's been a bit of a grim day for many parts of the uk. the rain eases over the next 24 hours only gradually. however and then clearer colder weather clearer and colder weather returns uk, albeit returns to the uk, albeit briefly, before further areas of low pressure come our way later this week. so the first area of low pressure is clearing. it's clearing to the southeast, wrapped around it a number of occluded fronts. means occluded fronts. that means bands continue going for bands of rain continue going for southern scotland. northern england into the midlands parts of wales and the south—west. also seeing a number of showers overnight. more overnight. but the more persistent rain is going gradually easing. northern

scotland, meanwhile, sees quite low temperatures overnight temperatures down to minus five celsius in places and with some showers feeding in overnight as well, there'll be a few slippery surfaces first thing on tuesday to watch out for. but that's where the brightest weather will be and that brighter weather will spread into southern scotland . much of northern scotland. much of northern ireland, western england and wales. by the afternoon . central wales. by the afternoon. central and england still and eastern england still subject to outbreaks of rain or showers. even into the afternoon. and staying cool here with breeze from the north with the breeze from the north sea . then rain clears sea. but then the rain clears widely and an overnight frost returns to many places by the start of wednesday . some start of wednesday. some freezing fog patches as well, but actually it's bright day but actually it's a bright day for the east, with for many in the east, with wetter weather returning by the afternoon into the west , that afternoon into the west, that wet weather turns to snow over northern hills overnight. but milder conditions return to all later . later. >> it looks like things are heating up. boxed spoilers, sponsors of weather on .

gb news. >> and a very good evening and welcome to farage. >> at 7:00 here on gb news this monday evening . well, yes, we've monday evening. well, yes, we've got an action packed full on show for the next hour. so that's it. the government have taken back control. there's james cleverly with his new five point plan to bring immigration under control . they lost control under control. they lost control of you. get that? that's the first bit of the show. in the second bit of the show, i have got a huge scoop. i'm going to talk to you about a massive, massive illegal migrant working scandal here in the uk . you may scandal here in the uk. you may have seen this video on social media. i'm going to be talking

about what does