gb news. >> and a very good evening and welcome to farage. >> at 7:00 here on gb news this monday evening . well, yes, we've monday evening. well, yes, we've got an action packed full on show for the next hour. so that's it. the government have taken back control. there's james cleverly with his new five point plan to bring immigration under control . they lost control under control. they lost control of you. get that? that's the first bit of the show. in the second bit of the show, i have got a huge scoop. i'm going to talk to you about a massive, massive illegal migrant working scandal here in the uk . you may scandal here in the uk. you may have seen this video on social media. i'm going to be talking

about what does that all mean? what's it going on? how it's depressing british workers as well as, frankly, depressing me. and then, of course, he's still there. he's in the jungle. but goodness me, nigel, he's under threat. it's voting time . all of threat. it's voting time. all of that after the news with polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> richard, thank you. good evening to you. well, the top story from the newsroom tonight is that the home secretary as you've been hearing, says 300,000 fewer people will be able the uk every able to come to the uk every year under new plans to bring down legal migration overseas . down legal migration overseas. workers and students will also be stopped from bringing their family with them . the minimum family with them. the minimum salary required for a skilled worker will also rise . to worker will also rise. to £38,700 from next spring. james cleverly was outlining his plans in the house of commons this afternoon and said the measures are best way forward for are the best way forward for british taxpayers. >> it's about making sure that we control immigration, that we

stop abuses of the system, but we also protect the economics that underpin our society and our country and also, of course, support the people who work in our health and social care sectors. it's cleverly well, the shadow environment secretary, steve reed, said taxpayers have heard it all before . heard it all before. >> how many times have we heard a succession of conservative home secretaries stand up in the chamber of the house of commons and tell us how much they're going to decrease migration by only to see it soar in the following the following few months? now, the figure that james cleverly is talking about there, if he manages to cut there, even if he manages to cut it by the amount that he's just said, and i doubt that given their record, even then their track record, even then migration would be around double the level that it was in december 2019 when they told us it was going, they were going to cut it. >> stay with politics. and sir keir starmer said today a labour government wouldn't put more

pressure on taxpayers . he was pressure on taxpayers. he was speaking in london earlier this morning and he pledged his ministers would be ruthless when it came to public spending . it came to public spending. that's after he accused the tories of letting public finances deteriorate . but he finances deteriorate. but he promised labour would be obsessed. he said with economic growth . now, the prime minister growth. now, the prime minister said today the bbc should be realistic about licence fee increases . liz the fee is increases. liz the fee is currently £159 a year, but it's thought the corporation wants to hike the charge to 173. the culture secretary , lucy frazer culture secretary, lucy frazer says the planned rise would be very high amid the cost of living pressures. gb news understands the broadcaster could be forced to accept a lower increase . almost £17 lower increase. almost £17 billion is missing from the government's military budget. that's according to the national audit office, which is called the government's plans to purchase new weapons over the next decade. as unaffordable as due to costs rising by 27,

outstripping a budget increase of more than £46 billion. but the government says it is committed to increasing defence spending and the north of england is set to get extra money to improve its rail services. ministers are promising to invest almost £4 billion to upgrade the trans pennine route connecting manchester, huddersfield, leeds and york . manchester, huddersfield, leeds and york. that's manchester, huddersfield, leeds and york . that's after the prime and york. that's after the prime minister scrapped the northern leg of hs2 between manchester and birmingham earlier on this year. and birmingham earlier on this year . you're with gb news across year. you're with gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . this is britain's news channel. >> welcome back to farage on gb news. do you remember that slogan? take back control . oh, slogan? take back control. oh, we heard it time and time again in 2016. we heard it in the general election of 2019. we

sort of heard it quite a lot ever since. but today the new slogan from the new home secretary is enough is enough. yes, that's because the government took back control of the immigration policy and allowed it to go out of control , allowed it to go out of control, completely out of control. so the home secretary now says enough's enough. i'm going to take back control with the biggest ever reduction in immigration this country has ever seen. he's going to reduce it by some 300,000 people per annum , to which i'd politely annum, to which i'd politely remind him that back in 2019 they said they would get it below 200,000. so he's talking about a reduction 50% bigger than the maximum he was talking about. they were talking about as a government back in the first place. but that's okay. we all make mistakes. so let's just look at the detail of the government's new latest plan

five point plan . the prime five point plan. the prime minister likes five point plans. well mr cleverly's plan is he's going to stop health and care worker bringing dependents. he's going to increase the skilled workers earning threshold by a third from about 26,000 up to £38,000. 700 to bring it nearer to sort of the median full time wage, he's going to scrap cut, cut price labour by stopping the shortage occupation list that they created a couple of years ago and that that wouldn't be able to pay 20% less to bring in overseas workers. this was their scheme a couple of years ago . scheme a couple of years ago. they're going to raise the family income for family visas, the minimum income to £38,000, £700 and ensure that the migrant advisory committees reviews the graduate immigration route to prevent abuse. well, that all sounds very credible. home

secretary, thank you very much. when's it going to start? home secretary to which the answer came spring. it's now december. it's pretty chilly. i'm pretty sure the next month is january . sure the next month is january. why home secretary, isn't it going to start on the 1st of january? if it's enough is enough and it's a problem , why enough and it's a problem, why don't you get on with it ? why don't you get on with it? why wait ? so what do you think will wait? so what do you think will happen between now and the spring, which of course has a certain period of time to it? so it might be the end of spring. do you think there may be actually there's going to be a surge of people from all over the world who are going to say, watch out the rules are changing. get your visa application in now. get it sorted, get in before the change. yes, i think that's a fairly reasonable assumption, don't you? so we're going to have a surge. i suspect, between now and the spring. and i suspect that surge will be another six, 700,000 people

getting visas to come and live in the uk. and what this report , in the uk. and what this report, his plan, his five point plan, maybe there weren't enough points to deal with the increase in student numbers that's almost trebled in the last four years from under 200,000 to 500,000 plus the dependents . so the plus the dependents. so the student numbers will in fact, they will grow the master's numbers will grow. are we talking about that later in the week, you may remember ten days ago i talked about some of the strange master's degrees and what's going on there. i've got some news for you later on that the graduate visa doesn't seem to change. that's the back door way into the front door into the united kingdom. that's not going to so will go up to change. so that will go up and seems to be change and there seems to be no change that can see to the skilled that i can see to the skilled worker which the way, worker list, which by the way, has 200 occupations, ones has some 200 occupations, ones with some 800 job title roles. so there we are, folks . that's so there we are, folks. that's it. the new home secretary. enoughis it. the new home secretary. enough is enough. he's asking you to trust him. so my question

to you, quite reasonably, i think is do you trust the government to reduce net migration? that's the question. do you trust the government to reduce net migration? email me, farage at gbnews.com or tweet hashtag farage on gb news. well obviously an important part of net migration is the ability for skills and people to add to value the economy. so who better to join me now to discuss this plan and whether it's going to help or hinder or be a bit of each is one. jonathan portis, who's the professor of economics at king's college london, and of course a senior fellow at uk in a changing europe . jonathan, a changing europe. jonathan, thank you so much for joining a changing europe. jonathan, thank you so much forjoining me . big announcement from the home secretary there today. you've probably just heard my sort of take on it is five point plan my questions and concerns about what it doesn't do and the

timing of it. what are your thoughts, jonathan, and what are your feeling from an economic perspective is that is that going to have an economic effect or what? >> it will have some effect. >> it will have some effect. >> remember, the numbers were already coming down. they were lower in the most recent set of figures than in the previous figures. they showed a fall . and figures. they showed a fall. and that's not surprising because a lot of the big bulge in net migration came first from refugees coming from ukraine, hong kong and to some extent afghanistan, and then from, as you said, the ramp up in the number of international students , which of course was a sort of post covid post pandemic thing. and was part of the government's own strategy to fund universities basically we, my university and other universities, we use the fees we get from international students to ensure that we can educate british students at less than what it costs to us teach them. so if you start upsetting that,

you're basically saying to universities, you're not going to be able to educate british students because you won't have the money to do it. so there's some issues there, but overall, this will bring down numbers further. how much further? it's unclear . the further. how much further? it's unclear. the biggest single change was this. this not allowing people who come here to do to work in social care, to bnng do to work in social care, to bring dependents . and i think bring dependents. and i think you sort of have to ask yourself, you know, do we as a country think it's fine to say to somebody who comes to work in an investment bank, sure, of course. you can bring your spouse and your kid , but spouse and your kid, but somebody who comes to work in a care home, which of course, we need look after, you know, your parents or my parents. no, we you can't bring your kid. you can't bring your spouse. but it's like the question, jonathan, about why do why do graduates need to bring dependents? >> and you've seen a huge increase in the number of dependents up sevenfold with with students, as you say, international students. mean, international students. i mean,

when to university, when i went to university, i didn't take my girlfriend up to the when i degree. >> well, undergraduates , i can't >> well, undergraduates, i can't remember. we're talking about postgraduates here, but i agree . postgraduates here, but i agree. i think the case for looking at the what, which types of students can bring dependents is pretty strong. and certainly a lot stronger than it is for care workers. and i don't think that there's you know, the government has changed those rules somewhat, but i think that in itself is perfectly reasonable , itself is perfectly reasonable, actually. i think it's much harder to justify it for people in the care sector when we expect i mean, just picking up on that, the thing is, though, we've got the biggest population, a record population the country's ever had. >> we've got a record number of people out of work benefits and yet we're constantly told we need to bring in more international labour in order to make our economy work. to which my simple point is that's a bit of a we've got the biggest record number of people on out

of work benefits. >> actually that's wrong. we had more people on out of work benefits in the 1990s and considerably more as a proportion of population. proportion of our population. even though immigration was very low. think we had more than >> you think we had more than 5.2 million, 1 in 8 of the working age population? absolutely >> i rememberi to absolutely >> i remember i to work for >> i remember i used to work for the department and the department of work and pensions. numbers pensions. i know these numbers very well. can promise very well. i can promise you that were was higher in that they were it was higher in the early and mid 90s. so and considerably higher. >> right. jonathan but we >> that's right. jonathan but we had migration then in of had net migration then in of averaging about 100,000 a year and health and social care and our health and social care system was working rather well. so need net so why now do we need net migration of 500, 600,000 and yet still we haven't got enough people in the health system? it doesn't compute to me. >> , actually, our health >> well, actually, our health and social care system wasn't working particularly well in the mid a lot better than it is mid 90s, a lot better than it is now. it was no, you're right . now. it was no, you're right. you're absolutely right there in the 2000 when we invested in health and social care and put up spending a lot, some of it was wasted, but a lot of it wasn't. we did reduce waiting

lists and we didn't have the we the nhs of course, has always had workers and it had had migrant workers and it had some in 2000, but not nearly some in the 2000, but not nearly as as now. and certainly we as many as now. and certainly we didn't have complete didn't have this complete collapse in domestic recruitment in the care system. and there the problem is very clear. the government has not invested in training , development and pay training, development and pay for people in the care system. so as a consequence, we are bringing in people from abroad and often on low wages and often treated very well. but i think the important thing to remember here is this is not the migration system causing low wages. this is the low wages is causing migration, low wages that the government chooses to pay that the government chooses to pay out. >> well, it's not the government paying >> well, it's not the government paying low wages. it's big business who says we don't want to pay more wages, so we need more cheap international labour to depress british wages? >> that's that's not >> yeah, that's that's not really case. really the case. >> the low wage, you >> remember the low wage, you know, and social care know, the health and social care sector? no, no, but. >> business in the >> but big business in the private sector is constantly saying i need more cheap

overseas labour in order to make the economy grow. but there's no economic growth , so it's flawed. economic growth, so it's flawed. >> wait a minute. >> wait a minute. >> the current system outside the health and social care sector, the current system doesn't allow people to come in except at a skill level and salary threshold. that means they're not cheap, low skilled labourers. you remember the in fact, what my research has shown is that actually the average earnings of migrants over since we introduced the new post—brexit system, which of course you've supported very strongly for precisely this reason since we did that, the earnings of the people who come on skilled work visas, the earnings of new migrant workers have been going up, going up relative to the british population. these are not low skilled, low paid john lydon there's on skilled worker there's on the skilled worker list , there's 200 job titles of list, there's 200 job titles of which the lowest is a seamstress at £16,000 a year, which is about half the annual wage. >> so i'm not buying any of that. >> and do you know how many seamstresses through seamstresses come in through those visas compared workers

those visas compared to workers university professionals, bankers, consultants ? i can tell bankers, consultants? i can tell you because i've again, i've looked at the data, i've looked at the numbers and the people who are coming in. >> but the net result is the numbers have gone up hugely. and yet it buys economic yet we're told it buys economic growth. yet we've got growth. and yet we've got flatlining growth. so something doesn't flatlining growth. so something doejonathan oh, well, there's >> jonathan oh, well, there's certainly no doubt that there's lots of reasons we can talk about flat growth and about for flat growth and migration certainly not the migration is certainly not the one most economist would one that most economist would think. with the think. we could start with the after impact of austerity, move on impact of brexit on on to the impact of brexit on trade and exports and so on, and continue with 20 years of underinvestment in rail roads, pubuc underinvestment in rail roads, public infrastructure and housing, £50 billion on hs2. >> well , that's an entirely >> well, that's an entirely different argument. but i'm sorry, that is a different point. i hear all these arguments, jonathan, but fundamentally, the british people want growth in their wages. they want growth in the economy. getting it . economy. we're not getting it. and got mass immigration. and we've got mass immigration. something's and we've got mass immigration. sorwell,ig's

and we've got mass immigration. sorwell, indeed , and indeed, let >> well, indeed, and indeed, let me read back to you something that somebody said to me when the post—brexit immigration system was introduced and after after had been introduced for a year for millions of lower paid brits living in britain receiving good pay rises thanks to brexit, stopping unlimited , to brexit, stopping unlimited, low skilled migration. it's a very fine thing. do you remember that ? that? >> i do remember that. but that's not what the government did. and remember, i'm not running the government. if it was, would have we would have was, we would have we would have controlled immigration. we would have wage growth. have had higher wage growth. >> what you said. >> that's what you said. absolutely after the. >> that's what you said. absyeah, y after the. >> that's what you said. absyeah, but after the. >> that's what you said. absyeah, but butfter the. >> that's what you said. absyeah, but but but the. >> that's what you said. absyeah, but but but they opened >> yeah, but but but they opened the after to control the border after to control the numbers. the border after to control the nurjonathan exactly the >> jonathan that's exactly the point. they'd i point. if they'd done what i said, would had that said, we would have had that higher wage growth. >> they did exactly you >> they did exactly what you said. year after they said. that was a year after they didn't take back control. >> jonathan that's the whole point. they're point. and that's why they're now is enough. now saying enough is enough. jonathan against us. we jonathan time is against us. we must on because must get you back on because we've a fascinating load of we've got a fascinating load of stuff to talk thank you stuff to talk about. thank you so jonathan

so much. indeed jonathan porter's good. he's porter's there very good. he's checked what said, but checked up on what i said, but i stand by what i said. take back control of the borders. you get the you higher wage growth the you get higher wage growth for workers. that's how for british workers. that's how we feel. better off anyway , we all feel. better off anyway, time we've got to go to the break. coming up after the break, we have got a huge, huge illegal working scandal here in the uk that i am going to raise the uk that i am going to raise the lid on. don't go anywhere. it's

radio. >> welcome back, my friends. well, that was a spicy debate with jonathan porter's lots more to come up. so so how often do you get a sort of convenience delivery by someone on a motorbike or a bike or a fast food or a pizza and if you do get those, how often do you check that actually the person delivering it is the same as you were told on your app, on your mobile phone or your ipad? i suspect not. a lot . well, the suspect not. a lot. well, the answer is, folks, between 40 and

50% of the time, it's not the person you were told it is . just person you were told it is. just think about that for a moment. then you might wonder. think about that for a moment. then you might wonder . asylum then you might wonder. asylum seekers, when they go into hotels is what do they do all day ? i mean, they're not allowed day? i mean, they're not allowed to work . they can read, maybe to work. they can read, maybe watch some some movies or stuff, but they're not allowed to work. but when you go to those hotels, those in the middle of the day, there's one there. they've there's no one there. they've all gone where do you think they've gone? so here's the thing . i'll tell you where thing. i'll tell you where they're going. they're going to work. because when they arrive at a hotel, they get given , i'm at a hotel, they get given, i'm told by charities, they get given a pushbike that's very nice. so with the pushbike, what they're doing is actually they're doing is actually they're going to start working for some of these delivery companies that there is a picture of hundreds of bikes at a hotel in the midlands. all pushbikes and that was about the middle of the day. it was a

filthy day when i was there checking this out. and the reason that those pushbikes are all still there are, but there's no one in the hotel now is because what's happening is, is that with delivery that people with delivery accounts for all the big delivery companies, the deliveries , the just eats, the deliveries, the just eats, the uben deliveries, the just eats, the uber, eats legitimate uk citizens, they get these accounts . but then people have accounts. but then people have worked out you can rent them for between 50 to £70 a week. that's the going rate. if you look online, you'll see lots and lots of adverts that look a bit like this. that's one. and there's hundreds of these all over social media. the general rate, as i say, is between 50 and £70 as i say, is between 50 and £70 a week. and so what happens is that the asylum seekers are renting these accounts because they don't have bank accounts, they're not allowed to work . and they're not allowed to work. and so they then get given the login details on the app for these fast food deliveries. they then go and do the deliveries. now they've got no costs , they don't they've got no costs, they don't have any tax to pay. so very

quickly using their pushbikes within 2 or 3 weeks they've got enough cash to go and buy an e—bike, which of course means they can deliver much faster . they can deliver much faster. that was in the same town . that was in the same town. that's a whole group of e—bikes outside of food court, in a shopping centre where i went to see this going on. so with the e—bikes you're going that much faster to deliver it , which faster to deliver it, which means you can earn more through to the day. but of course this is not legal , to the day. but of course this is not legal, but they're able to do it. what's the net effect of this? you might say, well, what's wrong with that? i'll tell you what's wrong with that is that when you've got a huge increase of people increase in the number of people doing town, the price, doing this in a town, the price, the delivery price , this the delivery price, this drops dramatically . so someone i spoke dramatically. so someone i spoke to in that town in the midlands who used to be earning a british citizen, was earning £180 a day doing these fast food deliveries . all of a sudden the migrant hotel fills up. they're working illegally , they're getting their illegally, they're getting their e—bikes. this person only had a

pushbike . she obviously has pushbike. she obviously has costs to pay . she has tax to pay costs to pay. she has tax to pay . so her earnings went from £180 a day down to £50 a day, at which point she said this is not fair. i'm earning less than if i go on benefits. so she went back on benefits, you see what's happening here? this is illegal. it's not right. so you've got the asylum seekers renting the accounts. you've also got british citizens making a whole load of extra cash on the side, 50, 60, £70 a week for one account. and then opening ten accounts, nine s work. if you can get it. accounts, nine s work. if you can getit i accounts, nine s work. if you can get it. i wonder if the taxman sees any of that . so this taxman sees any of that. so this is taking jobs from british workers at and it is depressing wages . now just take a look at wages. now just take a look at this which has been out on social media. this is omar, this little video here. this is omar in europe having quite a nice time. it looks like some island . time. it looks like some island. this is him in a shopping

centre. we've blocked out. there he is. he looks pretty well dressed, comfortable. omar is sort of skimming some there. he is sort of sitting on some grass. he looks pretty happy. he's pretty safe. and there he is. it's paris. yes, there's the eiffel tower . very nice indeed . eiffel tower. very nice indeed. and then he comes on a boat and i think we've got some footage of omar on a boat. i think we've got some footage of omar on a boat . we've blocked of omar on a boat. we've blocked out his face for legal reasons, but he is on a boat coming across the english channel. there he is. there's other people on the boat. we'll come back. there's another part of that story. i'm going to come back to tomorrow. different elements to this. then the elements to this. and then the last video i've got for you is omar. in this very same hotel in the midlands. omar. in this very same hotel in the midlands . and there he is. the midlands. and there he is. and that is, ladies and gentlemen, that is 20 and £10 notes that he's earnt. i believe, illegally working on these fast food companies , these fast food companies, working in fast food shops . yes, working in fast food shops. yes, there he is. and look at all

that cash. so no costs loads of cash, no tax . and british cash, no tax. and british workers having their wages depressed . this is really, depressed. this is really, really serious. and this is going on all over the country where there are migrant hotels and fast food outlets near by. and the scale of this , of the and the scale of this, of the 150 plus thousand people, the backlog who are not yet allowed to work, my gut is 100,000 plus could well be illegal working £2,000 a person lost tax revenue. that's £200 million. tens of thousands of british people are not able to earn their back on benefits . that's their back on benefits. that's hundreds of millions more . all hundreds of millions more. all of this going on. and i believe it's going on with the knowledge and awareness of these massive multinational delivery companies. and absolutely. because they actually, in their terms and conditions, they say

to the main account holder , you to the main account holder, you can have a substitute account holder as long as it's you, it's your responsibility to check they've got the legal right to work . well, you can guess what's work. well, you can guess what's happening, can't you? i think they are complicit with this. i think this is a huge, huge issue and that we're all losing out . and that we're all losing out. the treasury is losing out. we're paying more tax. well, i'm delighted. now to be joined down the line by max winthrop, who is the line by max winthrop, who is the chair of employment law at the chair of employment law at the law society, and also a partner at simpsons llp . max, partner at simpsons llp. max, thank you so much for joining me. this is an extraordinary situation where it appears that the delivery companies, they're saying that self employment law means that they can't stop the main account holder from essentially be organising a substitute route to do their

work as a self employed person. that's what they're saying. and i'll read their statement in a minute . is that really your minute. is that really your understanding of self employed law ? law? >> right. what you're doing here is you're looking at the distinction that you make in the law between three different types of status . so we've got types of status. so we've got worker , employee and the worker, employee and the genuinely self employed now how do you define those particular functions? well one way of doing it is to say that if you are if you're in engaged in a way that gives you that right of sub stitution, then you are not a worker or you're not an employee . you're genuinely self employed .you're genuinely self employed . and we've seen that demonstrated quite recently in the case involving deliveroo and the case involving deliveroo and the independent workers union of great britain, whereas supreme court found that the original decision of the central arbitration committee was factually correct, that these were genuine substitution

clauses, by which i mean the riders for deliveroo had an unfair right to say, okay, don't fancy riding today. i'll get my mate to do it. and the only restriction on that was that if somebody had previously been black listed with deliveroo , black listed with deliveroo, then they couldn't be used as a rider. so one can understand why though. the companies that work in the so—called gig economy do this because it's one of those just about the only surefire way you can guarantee that that will be a genuine self employed contract . right? anything else? contract. right? anything else? they could be workers entitled to holiday pay or they could be employees entitled to redundancy pay employees entitled to redundancy pay and also to rights such as unfair dismissal . unfair dismissal. >> okay, so i hear that. but what i've talked about and what i believe that they're aware of is that where you've got a substitute who essentially is acting against the law illegal, i.e. you've got tax evasion ,

i.e. you've got tax evasion, which is bordering on, i suspect , money laundering regulations . , money laundering regulations. so surely there should be a way where these main companies can say because of that risk of evasion, we are going to restrict just to the main account holder . account holder. >> now, what's a little strange on some of the terms and conditions i've seen is that if you sign up or if you get a job with gb news or whatever, if you look at your contract of employment, it'll have various terms in it. one of those might be that you've got that you're giving a warranty, that you've got to in the uk got the right to work in the uk and you might be asked to produce your passport and other documents as that. some documents such as that. now some of conditions that of the terms and conditions that i've have any i've seen don't have any provision for the initial rider or worker for using that word advisedly and to actually prove they've got the entitlement to work at all. and i suppose part of the problem here is that if

those kind of gig economy companies are wanting to argue that, well, these are really contractors, nothing to do with us, we just give them a platform to provide them with work. so it's nothing to do with us that we should ensure that they have certain rights and certain obugafions. certain rights and certain obligations . so the gig economy obligations. so the gig economy is, i think, kind of a breeding ground for some of these less . ground for some of these less. >> yeah, it's this is a fast moving field. >> it's a very fast moving field. and max, i'm sorry, time is against us, but thank you so much for your thoughts there with your your legal brain on on this. it feels to me that something's got to change. this is not acceptable. we are being pred is not acceptable. we are being ripped off. the treasury , the ripped off. the treasury, the taxpayer are missing out . we taxpayer are missing out. we ianed taxpayer are missing out. we invited justeat deliveroo, uber eats to come on the programme to defend themselves, to talk about it. sadly, no one was available, but they did reply and sort of try and summarise one of the replies. deliveroo said they'd take a tolerance approach take a zero tolerance approach towards rider who fails to towards any rider who fails to meet their legal obligations

when they've when working with us. they've induced introduced facial recognition technology to try and counter abuse and the like , and counter abuse and the like, and counter abuse and the like, and they're looking at a further registration registration process and just said similar. and that self—employed independent couriers have the legal right to use a substitute. well if that's the right currently and if that is the case, frankly , the government case, frankly, the government needs to change the law , because needs to change the law, because i believe this is completely unacceptable . oil well, coming unacceptable. oil well, coming up , slightly more light hearted up, slightly more light hearted after the break. adam cherry is down under with the latest from the jungle. how much is nigel under threat ? don't go anywhere. under threat? don't go anywhere. it's

news radio show . news radio show. >> welcome back to farage on gb news. well the great man he's under threat down under because voting has started. he needs your votes. if he is to survive. let's head straight down there. adam cherry gb news. reporter

hi, adam. so what is the summary of last night when some extra ordinary things i saw went on? and what can we look forward to this evening? adam yeah, good morning . morning. >> good evening. richard. yeah, it's a big day in the jungle. the first eviction. frankie dettori on his way home and we're just a couple of hours away from finding out who is joining him . last night was was joining him. last night was was an interesting night for the campmates. we saw a slightly different side nigel last different side to nigel last night because all the campmates received letters from received their letters from home. so this is the first time they've had any contact with their friends and family since joining the jungle. nigel's letter was written by his children and they said, we are not shocked at you effortlessly sinking those dirty pints. sorry, you couldn't be here to celebrate tom's birthday. tom, his son, and add a proper farage lunch and you see farage nigel farage obviously pretty moved by that if you're if you're from westminster , you're probably westminster, you're probably familiar with a proper farage

lunch. they're legendary around swi lunch. they're legendary around sw1 usually because if you if you have a proper farage lunch, you have a proper farage lunch, you have a proper farage lunch, you have to keep your diary commitments quite light in the afternoon . elsewhere, we had afternoon. elsewhere, we had this strange moment yesterday. it's been sunny in on the gold coast for the last few days. very sunny, 30 degrees. so nigel thought, know screw thought, you know what? screw it. going to go sunbathing it. i'm going to go sunbathing too. join the rest of his too. so join the rest of his campmates catching rays campmates out catching some rays and frank and sorry, fred and marvin said nigel, have you got a nipple piercing ? quite a a nipple piercing? quite a strange moment, i think, as nigel said in the in the diary room , they've been getting a bit room, they've been getting a bit too much sunshine because i can confirm my official jungle sources can confirm that the man does not have a nipple piercing. so quite a strange moment. but look at lisa having a little bit of fun. today is going to be another sunny day on the gold coast and maybe there's more of that. coast and maybe there's more of that . as i say, we're a couple that. as i say, we're a couple of hours away from finding out who's second leave or second who's second to leave or second to eliminated from the camp. to be eliminated from the camp. i'm bit for the vote i'm doing my bit for the vote remain campaign. i'm doing my bit for the vote

reryou'reimpaign. i'm doing my bit for the vote reryou're doing n. i'm doing my bit for the vote reryou're doing your bit there, >> you're doing your bit there, adam. that looks absolutely fantastic. stick lots to look forward to. >> adam, thank you so much. indeed i can't indeed goodness me, i can't believe actually asked believe they actually asked nigel people, whether he nigel of all people, whether he had his nipple pierced. i mean, they're almost me if he they're almost asking me if he had tattoo can that had a tattoo. i can confirm that ihave had a tattoo. i can confirm that i have neither . oh, no surprise i have neither. oh, no surprise there, probably. well, i'm delighted be joined down delighted now to be joined down the sharp, legendary the line by pat sharp, legendary radio tv producer. and of course , a former i'm a celebrity contestant . back in 2011. thanks contestant. back in 2011. thanks for joining us. do you miss it? forjoining us. do you miss it? do you have sort of regrets, you sort of hankering after where nigel is at? >> oh, absolutely. richard i mean, you know, doing the jungle is a is a one off, isn't it? you're one of a sort of class of 250 people who've ever done it. so you feel very special having been asked to do it and you do watch it and you do miss it every time you go, hang on a minute. that's my bed. who's sleeping in my bed? will it be me ? me? >> it at this time of the competition as people are being

voted out, pat, how nervous will you be? or is there a certain sense of relief? you're starving, hungry. you need some creature comforts want out creature comforts you want out of there? >> well , for me, it was slightly >> well, for me, it was slightly different because i was actually not voted out. i was in a sort of a bounce off sort of trial. and you're probably remember this even if you didn't watch it that year, richard, you'll have heard about this. so i was on with fatima whitbread. and as you know, she's pretty tough . you know, she's pretty tough. and it the one where the and it was the one where the cockroach her nose and cockroach went up her nose and then ten minutes later came out of her mouth. and then i had to follow her in the same trial with hundreds of those cockroaches thousands cockroaches or thousands actually in the big goldfish bowl our heads. so was bowl on our heads. so it was pretty famous. i think it was voted the second iconic tv voted the second most iconic tv moment of 2011 after will and kate's kiss on the balcony. >> it was it was quite a moment. >> it was it was quite a moment. >> we had fatima in about >> we had fatima in here about a week ago, and just finally, what about the boredom factor ? how about the boredom factor? how bad ? bad is that? >> that's the real thing,

richard. you sit there , you get richard. you sit there, you get bored, and that's when you say all sorts of things that you think, oh, maybe i shouldn't have said that, but it's certainly part of it. and that's where they probably catch you certainly part of it. and that's whewith ey probably catch you certainly part of it. and that's whewith some�*bably catch you certainly part of it. and that's whewith some ofbly catch you certainly part of it. and that's whewith some ofbly > fantastic. pat, thank you so much indeed for those reflections. goodness me, that much indeed for those reflecti

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welcome back my friends to the last segment of the show this evening. well of course the bbc they want to increase the licence fee and apparently the prime minister thinks that that may not be the right thing to do in a cost of living crisis. may not be the right thing to do in a cost of living crisis . the in a cost of living crisis. the current fears about is £159 a yeah current fears about is £159 a year. the bbc to talk about increasing it by 9% to £173.30. you might think that's great value. you might think it's not good value, you might want to change the system. but is this the right time to have a massive increase? well, who better to discuss this with than one martin obe , ambassador for martin bell obe, ambassador for british unicef and of course, former bbc war correspondent,

former bbc war correspondent, former independent politician. do you remember when he won? tatton and became an independent member of . parliament from 1997 member of. parliament from 1997 to 2001? in that glorious , to 2001? in that glorious, immaculate green suit. he's here with me in the studio. he's still looking glorious and immaculate. martin great to have you with me. thank you for joining us. this obviously is a big increase that the bbc is talking about. it provides a huge range of services . is it huge range of services. is it justifiable people ? every pound justifiable people? every pound counts at the moment . what do counts at the moment. what do you think? >> i think it's a very difficult time for the bbc to be asking for an increase of that scale. but having said that, i believe the bbc provides something that nobody else does . when i first nobody else does. when i first joined it, it was only 40 years old. now it's a hundred years old. now it's a hundred years old. it is looked up to throughout the world. it's a projection of british soft power, which nobody else can match. it's hugely imitated all over the world. i've, of course ,

over the world. i've, of course, a bbc partisan. i rest my life for it. yes, i love it to death. so don't expect me to be neutral. no, absolutely. >> and i guess the question is it's really important. we'll come to the soft power come back to the soft power because you talk about they're asking £173. so if you asking for £173. so if you netflix £96 year, disney is netflix is £96 a year, disney is 96. amazon prime is 108 with a few other goodies thrown in. you could say that . i mean, do they could say that. i mean, do they spend their money well or like could say that. i mean, do they spend th me thinking actually there's quite a lot of bloated , quite a lot of bloated, complacent waste in there that could be could be cut back . what could be could be cut back. what do you think? >> well, since i left to become a member of parliament, i have been a critical friend. >> let's put it like that. i think has been in the past think there has been in the past a try to do too much a tendency to try to do too much , too often to overstretch . i , too often to overstretch. i think the time might be coming for a little trimming here and there , but i think it will be there, but i think it will be hugely damaged. our national interest if we cut the bbc to the core in its primary

functions, which are information and entertainment. >> because actually it's really interesting . many people may not interesting. many people may not realise it's got 53 radio stations, owns the world service, which comes back to the soft power point you raise is produced in 42 different languages and there are 18 international channels , international channels, including bbc, persian, punjabi and a thing that i wasn't aware of, a website called bbc pigeon that opened in 2017. so do you think actually that the soft power because presumably people all over the world, they don't pay all over the world, they don't pay anything, so we, the british taxpayer, through our licence fee, pay . but is that part of fee, we pay. but is that part of the soft power? and i think i'm right in saying the bbc world service about £1 in ten. is service is about £1 in ten. is that good value for the soft power that it spreads across the globe when you consider it is also in part funded by the foreign office and the foreign office believes it is it is not the voice of the british government. >> i think it's very important. it is the voice of the british people. it is, if i may coin a term, the people's channel, and

it projects all over the world going to have to give it. >> we're the people's channel. the bbc is the bbc's channel. that's a serious description. crisis but i mean , you've got crisis but i mean, you've got people like gary lineker , a very people like gary lineker, a very successful sports personality and presenter with huge sums. i don't know. it just feels to me that it's it could save a lot of money whilst still projecting that soft power and consolidating a bit. >> i regret to say i was never on the list of the highly paid, but quite quite the reverse. i think there could be some trimming back of certain presenters salaries. i'll name no names , but what they found in no names, but what they found in the past is they let people go. they take the audience with them. the bbc has to be as audience conscious as you are because without the size of the audience, it's very difficult to justify. >> and where do you see the real value? for example , 53 radio value? for example, 53 radio stations. do you think there's more value in the radio stations

for the for across the country or actually in what's a growing number of tv channels within the bbc? >> i think radio stations internationally are very important . so internationally are very important. so many other areas of conflict where there is no reliable source of information and especially in the old shortwave wave days, all the war zones i've been in the local people would be tuning in to not cbs, nbc, moscow radio. it was the bbc. and that is something to vital to lose, i think. >> do you agree ? >> do you agree? >> do you agree? >> i think that is right. but i think when they got themselves into a pickle recently in gaza with the misdescription in there of missile strikes and the refusal all to call hamas a terrorist organisation, i mean, i think that's been very damaging to their reputation and look, we all make mistakes. my issue there, martin, is , is that issue there, martin, is, is that the leadership failed to recognise lies, that there was a mistake and they'd got the mood wrong and they needed to act and change it in that particular

case, i think it was very sad. >> the correspondent concerned fell victim to the fundamental mental flaw in rolling news, which, as it knows more than it shows. it just shows and shows and shows . and he speculated, and shows. and he speculated, well, you should never speculate. and i never did . so speculate. and i never did. so i think as a course correction has to be made, but the coverage has been, you know, they've got 5 or 6 or seven. correspondent it's can i say it's a news channel, not an opinion channel. >> that's what it is. that's right. it is a news channel. and so, but it was just i guess they should be we all make mistakes. but at that particular moment, it so critical. i mean, it it was so critical. i mean, it led to actually , you know, a bit led to actually, you know, a bit of a diplomatic crisis between some of the middle east and states and the president. states and the us president. i mean, serious mean, it had serious consequences. should, for consequences. but should, for example, davie have example, uh, tim davie have moved recognise that moved faster to recognise that that actually the bbc should call hamas a terrorist organisation? >> i think every single broadcast they , they repeat the broadcast they, they repeat the mantra that the british, the united kingdom calls it a

terrorist organisation . that's terrorist organisation. that's good enough for me and i think it's good enough for most people. >> okay, interesting. so we're sort of broadly agreed. you're very strong on the soft power. it does just seem to me that a lot of people around the world get a fantastic service for free, that that we, the british taxpayer, is paying and maybe thatis taxpayer, is paying and maybe that is good value. but it's at this time of the sort of cost of living crisis. it's sort of slightly sticks in the throat. >> i feel as a british taxpayer that it's in my interest that the world is better informed. and the bbc helps that. >> so are you still happy that it's a compulsory licence fee or do you think there should be like a shopping list of menu items? >> so if you want to buy the news, you could buy the news and other channels within the bbc group. >> i think it is benefit our country and our people over 100 years existing years to have the existing funding model . you can fiddle funding model. you can fiddle a bit around the edges, but but don't don't damage the core of it. there's too much at stake.

>> don't damage the core of it. absolutely fantastic. no, i think that's right. i just think that a lot of people feel the compulsion to it in this day of world is too much. martin bell, thank you so much. to see thank you so much. great to see you. appreciate you you. really appreciate you coming the studio. that, coming in the studio. that, folks, martin bell, of course folks, is martin bell, of course , a former war correspondent , a former bbc war correspondent , a former bbc war correspondent , former independent member of parliament. that is no easy thing . in the first past the thing. in the first past the post electoral system, we have what a show we've had. and i mean, just extraordinary . we've mean, just extraordinary. we've been looking at the latest governments plans to take back control and we're looking at the illegal working crisis. but of course, the song bell sperling signing a jungle version of nigel says, just listen to this . nigel says, just listen to this. see what you think . nigel is in see what you think. nigel is in the jungle with a couple of snakes. >> some seem genuine and some might be fakes. so i want to be king of the jungle. >> some might not like my views , >> some might not like my views,

but i'll keep winning awards for my show on gb news eating camel anusis my show on gb news eating camel anus is a pain in the neck , just anus is a pain in the neck, just like the snidey comments from ant and dec. when i get out of here, i'm looking forward to a pint of beer, some roast beef and a chat with linda and keith . and a chat with linda and keith. >> hey, hey, hey . >> hey, hey, hey. >> hey, hey, hey. >> tonight use his vote. remain i want to be king of the jungle star . star. >> and you, says ilounge sounds inside . but you really should inside. but you really should vote. remind make me king of the jungle. nigel said you please to vote. >> remain nine to say no. >> remain nine to say no. >> i mean it . >> remain nine to say no. >> i mean it. please vote. nigel said for me to remain in the jungle. >> he's . nigel for one.

>> he's. nigel for one. >> he's. nigel for one. >> oh oh, gosh . >> oh oh, gosh. >> oh oh, gosh. >> looks like things are heating up. boxed boilers, sponsors of weather on . gb news. hi there. weather on. gb news. hi there. >> it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast . it's been a bit of a forecast. it's been a bit of a grim day for many parts of the uk. the rain eases over the next 24 hours only gradually, however, and then clearer and colder weather returns to the uk, briefly, uk, albeit briefly, before further of low pressure further areas of low pressure come our way later this week. so the first area of low pressure is clearing. it's clearing to the southeast , wrapped around the southeast, wrapped around it. number occluded fronts. it. a number of occluded fronts. that bands of rain that means bands of rain continuing for southern scotland , northern england into the midlands , parts of wales and the midlands, parts of wales and the south—west. also seeing a number of showers overnight. but the more persistent rain is gradually easing . northern gradually easing. northern scotland, meanwhile, sees quite low temperatures overnight

temperatures down to minus five celsius in places and with some showers feeding in overnight as well, there'll be a few slippery surfaces. first thing on tuesday to watch out for. but that's where the brightest weather will be and that brighter weather will spread into southern scotland. much of northern ireland, western england and wales. the afternoon, central wales. by the afternoon, central and eastern england still subject to outbreaks of rain or showers. even into the afternoon. and staying cool here with the north sea. with breeze from the north sea. but then the rain clears widely and an overnight frost returns to many places by the start of wednesday. some freezing fog patches as well. but actually it's a bright day for many. a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on .

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