well well. >> the tories heat crunch talks the home secretary, james cleverly, will sign a deal with rwanda today. our political editor christopher hope has the latest . latest. >> what? we think he was going to talk to us. talk to us a little later. net migration crackdown, yet another five point plan was set up by the government. home government. the same home secretary to slash secretary yesterday to slash migration by 300,000. that's 15 objectives so far from the tories this year. minister for immigration robert jenrick spoke to us on gb news, a little earlier. >> migration is far too high and that's why we've worked so hard to bring forward this very significant set of measures. you're right to say that more things may need to be done, but without question , this is a big without question, this is a big step forward . step forward. >> and harry versus the home office. it's the second day of the duke of sussex's legal challenge after his uk security protection was stripped back. do

you think your taxes should be spent on protecting the prince and nigel marches on. >> hurrah for that nigel farage lives survives to fight another day in the australian jungle. but some quite a lot of us actually are unhappy about the lack of airtime he's getting on the show. he's being censored . the show. he's being censored. >> and you might have remembered us talking about nella rose. she's the influencer and she had that horrible altercation with fred cyriax, who's the chef and restaurateur where she was accusing him of saying something in appropriate and she was mortally offended . mortally offended. >> and she's intensely irritating and she's out. >> it turned the audience against her very, very quickly . against her very, very quickly. so she was the second out, last night after frankie dettori, the night after frankie dettori, the night before. and on nigel, we want to make him king of the jungle. i'm sure you do, too. so if want vote for him, if you want to vote for him, grab your phone scan qr code grab your phone scan the qr code on and download the

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the government hopes will revive its asylum policy. james cleverly will spend the day meeting officials in kigali and he'll then discuss what's being called a migration and economic development partnership. it's hoped the new agreement, along with emergency legislation here at home, will address the issues that led to the supreme court ruling against the plan in november. meanwhile, the immigration minister has insisted the first flights carrying asylum seekers will depart before the next general election here in the uk. thames water has warned it's in severe financial distress and a turnaround will take time. the troubled water company's profits dropped by 54% in the six months to september , and its debts have to september, and its debts have ballooned. its reported around £1.3 ballooned. its reported around £13 billion of revenue, but £1.3 billion of revenue, but spent a record 1 billion on network improvements . it comes network improvements. it comes days after its parent company warned it could run out of money by april unless it secures more funding. interim bosses say immediate and radical action is

needed to secure finances of the uk's biggest water supplier. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gbnews.com. now it's back to andrew and . bev andrew and. bev >> so yet another five point plan announced yesterday in the commons to reduce migration by 300,000, this time by the new home secretary james cleverly . home secretary james cleverly. >> that's right. care workers will be banned from bringing in dependants. >> the foreign worker salary threshold will rise sharply to 38,700. that's up about 20,000. yeah. the occupation short list will also be reviewed. a minimum income requirement for bringing dependents going up to 38,000. >> there's also going to be a review of the graduate visa route . route. >> so terrific stuff . and he's >> so terrific stuff. and he's got great they've got great headlines. it's the front page of the telegraph, the times, the

mail , i of the telegraph, the times, the mail, i have to say. bev, why now ? because if you were to talk now? because if you were to talk to rishi, priti patel, the former home secretary or suella braverman, the current the previous home secretary, they'd say, we were trying to do this. and the person who blocked it was the prime minister because he wasn't terribly engaged with it. and when he was in the treasury, he saw cheap treasury, of course he saw cheap migration as migration cheap migration as migration is cheap labouris migration as migration is cheap labour is cheaper labour, which keeps wages down, keeps inflation down, very noble . inflation down, very noble. yeah, but look at the impact it's been the country it's been having on the country and clunky idea , and there's this clunky idea, isn't measure and there's this clunky idea, isn' value measure and there's this clunky idea, isn'value of measure and there's this clunky idea, isn'value of a measure and there's this clunky idea, isn'value of a countryeasure and there's this clunky idea, isn'value of a countryeasits the value of a country by its gdp and there's this clunky equafion gdp and there's this clunky equation that says that immigration often leads to an increase . increase in gdp. >> on paper, if you're >> i think on paper, if you're into numbers and you just look at the world through that sort of lens, then lots of of lens, then yes, lots of migration make lots of migration might make lots of sense. but it's much more nuanced that. for nuanced than that. and for people living in this country who want to live in a country that they recognise, where they can get appointments, where can get nhs appointments, where they school they can get school appointments, where they can get the come round if

the police to come round if they're the victim of a crime. those two don't necessarily be square other . so those two don't necessarily be square other. so i can square with each other. so i can see they're trying to do something, but it feels a lot like too little too late. >> the other thing is, is it's not going to happen the not going to happen until the spnng not going to happen until the spring why can't it spring saying why can't it happen because the shadow happen now? because the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper, was huffed puffed like was she huffed and puffed like she going to blow the house she was going to blow the house down and all the down in the commons and all the things wrong it. things that were wrong with it. but say once whether but she didn't say once whether they oppose it and more to they would oppose it and more to the labour is usually the point, labour is usually didn't do, didn't say what they would do, even though they want to even though we know they want to cut immigration to 200,000. well hang on, are you going to do that last year it was that when last year it was nearly 700,000? >> absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> and think the thing as well >> and i think the thing as well that really struck me this morning, the care home workers admittedly , it's that you admittedly, it's not that you don't that haven't changed. they haven't changed the salary threshold for that. the changes that people can't bring that those people can't bring their them, their dependents with them, and therefore act a therefore that will act as a deterrent. if you're deterrent. well if you're a filipino nurse and we need brilliant filipino nurses, i'm sorry, but we do. you ask any doctors of some of the

nationalities of the caring professions those mothers might want to come over with their children . and actually, those children. and actually, those are the people we're now saying , are the people we're now saying, well, when we're going to make it harder for you to come over. but i don't see how this is going to necessarily affect the vast young economic vast swathes of young economic migrant here at migrant men who come here at the moment. talking, migrant men who come here at the m but first of all, missed cleverly. the home secretary is in . he's going to sign in rwanda. he's going to sign this treaty which they, the this new treaty which they, the government hopes will answer some points raised by the some of the points raised by the supreme court, which chucked out the last month . the rwanda plan last month. yeah, that's right. >> obviously, this all the >> obviously, this is all the prime minister's mission to make >> obviously, this is all the prindealinister's mission to make >> obviously, this is all the prindeal to ;ter's mission to make >> obviously, this is all the prindeal to send mission to make >> obviously, this is all the prindeal to send migrantso make >> obviously, this is all the prindeal to send migrants there le the deal to send migrants there work, the supreme work, even though the supreme court obviously ruled against this scheme. and we were discussing this yesterday and we were trying to work out, weren't we, how this money being spent or this treaty is going to change somehow now change that and somehow now overrule the supreme court's decision? i'm still not entirely clear on how it's going to do that. >> chris hope, our political

edhon >> chris hope, our political editor, he knows everything he's going tell chris in going to tell us. chris is in downing street. morning, chris. the home secretary rwanda. the home secretary is in rwanda. he's sign this treaty. he's going to sign this treaty. this is different to the memorandum of understanding, which we had before. i know this all sounds terribly technical, but does signing treaty but how does signing a treaty make it likely the make it more likely the government can sort out the difficulties they had with the supreme court last time? yeah andrew, you're right. >> a morning bev it upgrades that memorandum of understanding agreed previously to reassure uk courts that any any rivals by small boats sent to rwanda for processing will not be sent back to their home countries and put at risk and almost a declare rwanda a safe country behind me, the cabinet is meeting without james cleverly the home secretary. he's in rwanda signing that deal. he'll be back tonight, probably. now, the cabinet work out how cabinet has got to work out how hard go on this. should they hard to go on this. should they push in parliament push through a law in parliament to withdraw from the echr for asylum claims or just only disapply them in small boats,

arrivals, or just merely pass a law to declare rwanda a safe country? the first to arrive here was victoria prentis. she's the attorney general and she really is could be on resignation watch if this deal if the cabinet decides to go much further and take a much firmer stance on echr, she's the canary in the coal mine and she was the person you might expect may resign . that would be a may resign. that would be a disaster for the government. we'll wait and see, wait and see how out. it is how that plays out. but it is a big deal. for pm. big deal. this for the pm. we know that the reform to the right of the tory party, they're saying that the election next year be an immigration year will be an immigration election . so it's very important election. so it's very important for the tory party ensure for the tory party to ensure that convince its that it can convince its supporters it can control immigration because let's face it, it done neither net it, it hasn't done neither net migration illegal migration migration nor illegal migration are under any sort of control . are under any sort of control. and that's why the government is taking today. and that's why the government is taking chris, today. and that's why the government is taking chris, the y. and that's why the government is taking chris, the government say >> and chris, the government say this is everybody says long overdue . but we read today that

overdue. but we read today that none of this is going to take effect until the spring anyway. and i saw suella braverman, who was sacked as home secretary, said, i welcome all of this . a said, i welcome all of this. a lot of it she wanted to do when she secretary. but none she was home secretary. but none of is going to kick in much of this is going to kick in much before the general election in yes. >> and of course we all know about deadlines, andrew, don't we, that ahead of that april deadune we, that ahead of that april deadline will be a big surge in people to get in on the people applying to get in on the lower income rate , £26,000 lower income rate, £26,000 a yean lower income rate, £26,000 a year, not £38,000 year, which year, not £38,000 a year, which it will be. essentially, the scheme being made into scheme is being made into a graduate scheme currently graduate visa scheme currently it's around. it's much less than that. i say, £26,000 year that. as i say, £26,000 a year to visa here. there'll be to get a visa here. there'll be a big surge in applications which probably will increase the net next net migration figure for next yeah net migration figure for next year. year when the year. in a year when the government is trying to show it can migration with can control the migration with the election expect by the election due, i expect by the election due, i expect by the end of next year. it's the end of next year. so it's not i think they are. not great. i think they are. they they're doing they can show they're doing things , the proof in things, but the actual proof in the pudding will be seen the pudding will not be seen until election and until after the election and that be too late for the that could be too late for the tory that's chris faux >> all right. that's chris faux pas, editor in downing pas, political editor in downing

street . we hear from a little street. we hear from a little later the program. street. we hear from a little latecan the program. street. we hear from a little latecan the piclarify? >> can i just clarify? >> can i just clarify? >> ben is in the studio >> ben habib is in the studio with the the deputy with us, the leader, the deputy leader reform uk. morning, leader of reform uk. morning, ben what i just heard ben. i think what i just heard christopher hope say there is that they're trying to that because they're trying to enact this there will a enact this now, there will be a rush applications to come here. >> i tweeted that this morning . >> i tweeted that this morning. so the net migration will go up in 2024, in the run up to an election. absolutely. i mean, it was daft as brushes, it suddenly dawned on me yesterday they needed to install apply the higher salary rate so that they could cut cut it dead . but what could cut cut it dead. but what they've done is give everyone six months notice or four months notice, whatever it is, get notice, whatever it is, to get their acts together and make a flurry applications . so flurry of applications. so you're going to see a surge in immigration come into may. >> but but will those but, but but we won't get the annual increase, will we? till probably much later? >> yeah. is it july or so? they'll avoid that. >> and then perhaps that averts the what they're worrying about is a crisis in our care homes which are already 150,000 short

carers. so get the carers in a bit quick and then let the measures kick in. yeah maybe there's method in their madness and they've had the 24 hour news cycle for the last 24 hours. >> have they all the front pages? >> very positive but also making the same point. why now? why not two years ago? yeah, three years ago, two years ago. >> and the other point that i think lost on people, think is lost on people, if i may say is that the gross may say so, is that the gross migration figures , you know, migration figures, you know, obviously much higher so 1.2 million people came to the country last year under this measure that would reduce it down to 900,000. it's still too much . it's still a million much. it's still a million people. and the half million people. and the half million people that left the country are bright. british citizens bright. young british citizens who aspirational and that is who are aspirational and that is the brain drain in operation . so the brain drain in operation. so when you look at migration policy, you've really got to look at it in a holistic sense with what you're doing domestically brain domestically to retain brain brits who you want to keep . you brits who you want to keep. you know, it's not just about importing high skill labour, it's about keeping brainy people here. you know, that's very

here. and you know, that's very simple. you make it aspiration to be in the united kingdom. you have to cut their taxes, you have to cut their taxes, you have to cut sme taxes, you have to build more houses, build more houses. you've got to make things work. and i know a lot of young people who democrats young people who are democrats at heart but are leaving to work in the middle east and other places which are not democracies, but have a 0% tax rate. and they go, well , you rate. and they go, well, you know, why should we be here by bashing our heads against a broken economic system when we can go and make make money? >> and meanwhile, ben, what is this going to do to stop a single crossing the channel? >> well, this is this is obviously entirely legal migration, which is much worse than illegal migration. i'm going to be a bit fair to for rishi a second. you know, he has at least got that deal with the albanians, reduce albanians, which did reduce the figures year at around figures from last year at around 46,000 coming across the channel to 26,000. this year. and i'm also going to attribute, if i may, while i'm on that subject, credit to richard tice, because it tice who it was richard tice who identified last june. you

identified last june. do you remember was remember that there was albanians coming across the channel and that tipped the government into doing a deal with in collaboration with albania in collaboration with albania in collaboration with our very mark white, if with our very own mark white, if you saying. you don't mind me saying. >> yeah. can >> absolutely. yeah. but can i also just can we remind people what the agreement was with albania worked albania and why that's worked and ben yeah, and what it's cost us? ben yeah, so cost i haven't got all so the cost i haven't got all the at my fingertips. the costs at my fingertips. >> , but, but, but you're >> no, but, but, but you're right a person. right to point £800 a person. >> i think. >> i think. >> i think it's £50,000 a person that give i think doesn't, that we give i think doesn't, doesn't the albanian person themselves get a little incentive? >> they get a little to go back. >> they get a little to go back. >> to go back they get. but i mean, if they're criminals, we then have to pay £53,000 per head to be head in order for them to be imprisoned. in albania . i imprisoned. back in albania. i mean, there's no shortage of cash when it comes to spraying it at the french, spraying it at the albanians, spraying it at cop 28. but if you say , please, cop 28. but if you say, please, sir, could i have a little tax cut? you don't get it. you know, and that comes back squarely to legal migration and our inability to hold people in the

united kingdom and get british workers back into the workforce. but on illegal migration, i'm slightly darting around , but on slightly darting around, but on illegal migration ultimately there's only one control, and thatis there's only one control, and that is border control. you have to enforce your borders. it's not about deportation. deportees is what you do when your border controls gone wrong. and this idea that you can solve border controls through domestic legal provisions , allowing you to provisions, allowing you to somehow eject people at a at a huge rate, is a mistaken concept . we've got to understand that people have to be stopped at the point of entry and told quite politely and if necessary, forcefully, please turn round and go back to france and then stay with us. >> won't you? because we're going to carry on this conversation. industry bosses are warning that elderly people are warning that elderly people are going to find it harder to get the care they need because of crackdown on foreign of this crackdown on foreign workers. the executive co—chairman care co—chairman of the national care association, nadra ahmed , joins association, nadra ahmed, joins us. morning nadra.

>> good, good to see you. good morning . what will this mean in morning. what will this mean in actuality ? give us some concrete actuality? give us some concrete examples of the kind of people who want to come here to be carers and how this restriction on the number of dependents you can bring will change their choices . choices. >> so what we look for is skilled carers. that's what we're looking for. people that have some experience in their own country of supporting carers. that includes nurses . carers. that includes nurses. they've been working in hospitals and so we look for the qualifications as well. so what we're actually looking for is skilled carers. as was mentioned earlier, we've got 152,000 vacancies as and out of a workforce . of 1.6 million, workforce. of1.6 million, 70,000 of them are international recruits . so if you imagine that recruits. so if you imagine that 70,000 of those people hadn't come to the uk, we would be over

200 and 200,000 vacancies. the impact of them not being able to bnng impact of them not being able to bring their families in will be the fact that these are dependents, that they're bringing in. so we should have methodologies that actually make sure they are dependents and the clue's in the word , isn't it? clue's in the word, isn't it? the people that are reliant on them for care and support. so leaving them somewhere else is just not feeling like a strong opfion just not feeling like a strong option . they've got them here. option. they've got them here. the other the other point around thatis the other the other point around that is that that individual will be coming to a foreign land to support our vulnerable elderly. a very stressful role. and working long hours potentially easily, and then going to home nothing, to nobody. and having to do that year on year . nobody. and having to do that year on year. and i think those are real challenges . what about are real challenges. what about the mental health of the people that we will be asking to come in? we have, you know , we're

in? we have, you know, we're trying to make sure we've got ethical recruitment that there is pastoral care for them. and appropriate accommodation would be that there are some people who are coming here to work in the caring industry , but they're the caring industry, but they're actually use it as an excuse to bnngin actually use it as an excuse to bring in six teenage boys who they then send out to be uber drivers or whatever it is . drivers or whatever it is. >> is that a stereotype that is misplaced . misplaced. >> well, i think it is obviously something that's been quoted and thatis something that's been quoted and that is what's the decision is are based on. but actually, we ought to have much stronger looking, much stronger methodology which looks at not making that happen. i think that's the challenge that we have to overcome generally speaking, what i'm hearing from providers since the announcement yesterday , i've had email after yesterday, i've had email after email , text after text saying we email, text after text saying we do have dependants that come in, but they're actually taking

roles either within the care sector or around to support domestic work in the care homes or doing other work. so they're not just sitting around on benefits , which is what the benefits, which is what the perception was . perception was. >> okay. thank you very much , >> okay. thank you very much, nadra ahmed there, the executive co—chair of the national care association . association. >> we've still got ben habeeb with us. we've got to talk to you about these extraordinary polls reform uk. polls for the reform uk. >> figures . yeah, double >> double figures. yeah, double figures in five separate polls in a couple of weeks. we're quite that . but i quite pleased with that. but i think that's a think i think that's a reflection really on an imploding conservative party are we surged in the polls when liz truss was ousted from office? yeah. and then we surged again when suella braverman was sacked and every time the conservative party does something which demonstrates that they're in fact liberal democrats and not tories . as you know, reform uk tories. as you know, reform uk does well because we are genuinely conservative with a small c and what have you made

of all this chatter about the fact that nigel farage, your youris fact that nigel farage, your your is his title honorary president? i think he's president, yeah. president of reform might go to the conservative party. >> ben they need him. >> ben they need him. >> nigel is such a flirt, isn't he? and nigel is just. he's a maverick . he? and nigel is just. he's a maverick. he's a flirt. he's stirring it up. he's putting a lot of you know, he has that wonderful dance with pretty and the conservative party conference. and i think that kind of kicked the whole thing off. and, you know , he just off. and, you know, he just loves he loves it. but he did speak at our conference a couple of he said of months ago, and he said that wasn't to happening. wasn't likely to be happening. >> are glad the >> are you glad he's in the jungle? reform ? jungle? is that helping reform? >> know, nigel's not >> well, you know, nigel's not an part of reform. uk to an active part of reform. uk to the extent that we're doing well . i'm sure nigel won't be . it's i'm sure nigel won't be offended if i say this has got nothing to do with nigel. it's the fact that reform uk is offering a vision for the united kingdom, neither kingdom, which neither of the main parties is offering. >> yeah. what did you make of keir starmer? keir starmer echoing or bringing up the

thatcher? yeah. >> what did you make of that? well, i think talking of vision, absolutely outrageous. >> you know, the man is a progressive ultimate socialist and he's harking back to thatcher in some kind of false way to grab those voters on the right who must be daft as brushes, not to realise that starmer is uber socialist. i mean, it's not going to work. it just proves him to be a liar, frankly. yeah. >> yeah, yeah, right. ben lovely to see you. >> stay with us. thank you. it's a second day of prince harry's three day high court case against home over against the home office over security right. duke >> that's right. the duke of sussex the sussex is challenging the decision that harry and decision that prince harry and his not be granted his family would not be granted the of protection the same degree of protection when the uk . when visiting the uk. >> so the former head of royal protection died. davis joins us now. die morning to you. it's just ridiculous , isn't it? if just ridiculous, isn't it? if prince harry comes to britain and representing royal and representing the royal family and royal duties, he will have the protection as any have the same protection as any other member of the royal family if he chooses to come under if he chooses to come here under his steam, he can pay for his own steam, he can pay for himself he can flippin well

himself and he can flippin well afford it . afford it. >> well, good morning. yes, i totally agree with your last comment. absolutely absolutely right. truth is, he right. and the truth is, he actually gets protection , as you actually gets protection, as you rightly say, every time , rightly say, every time, anything to do with royals. and he's here a prince of the he's here as a prince of the united kingdom, including northern ireland. never forget northern ireland. never forget northern ireland. never forget northern ireland. and yes, of course, he gets it and he has the problem is this is all hyped up. it's yet another harry storm in a teacup. he thinks he should because he is sixth in line to the throne . but a ravak the the throne. but a ravak the committee that decides this included a former colleague of mine, commander peter loughborough, lord peter , as he loughborough, lord peter, as he is now, and he had 11 years as the commander in overall command of royalty protection . he was on of royalty protection. he was on that committee, as i understand it, along with a member of the household imminently sensible men. they are provided with the up to date intelligence , and up to date intelligence, and it's from that intelligence and the threat risk that is carried

out that they will decide whether anyone, including harry, including other members of the royal family will actually get protection . what he wants is protection. what he wants is armed protection when he comes here and has done over a number of years, he brings his own protection teams who are not armed, but a number of them are former royalty protection officers. if there's a threat, if there is any kind of issue, he will be afforded the protection he wants. this is a storm in a cup and it's going to cost you and i about £1 million by the time it's finished. >> gosh . and isn't it di isn't >> gosh. and isn't it di isn't it set a very dangerous precedent because if harry is given permission, harry and meghan, to have armed protection, then it means that any kind country's leader or diplomats or, you know, the landed gentry from dubai could come in and basically say that they want armed protection . and they want armed protection. and that changes everything in this country . we well, you again ,

country. we well, you again, you're absolutely right. >> there are only limited number. i won't go into details. how many officers are in this particular section of royalty protection ? there are a number, protection? there are a number, obviously . but again, if you obviously. but again, if you started to dish them out willy nilly and it takes a lot of manpower and female power to protect just one individual. well, now , if you spread that well, now, if you spread that out to harry and meghan and their children, if they deem to come, but you know, in truth, britain still is a very safe country, particularly when you have your own security . once is have your own security. once is armed protection . well, he's not armed protection. well, he's not going to get it. i hope. i hope the judge city, i agree, will apply common sense to how we would to anyone else. he's not a working royal. most of his cousins aunties now don't have the level of security they had. when i was doing the job, i had 22 of them, okay? and they were all afforded 24 hour protection. so no, i don't think he should

have.it so no, i don't think he should have. it is my bottom line. >> okay. thank you, di di davis there. let us know what you think. up next, how many home secretaries does it take to approve a flight? we're going to talk top human rights approve a flight? we're going to talk to top human rights approve a flight? we're going to talk to see 1uman rights approve a flight? we're going to talk to see ifman rights approve a flight? we're going to talk to see if jamesghts lawyer to see if james cleverly's to rwanda. cleverly's visit to rwanda. can rescue rishi deportation rescue rishi sunaks deportation plan. britain's newsroom plan. this is britain's newsroom on gb news a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello, very good morning to you. it's aidan mcgivern here with the met office forecast for gb news marked contrasts in the weather across the uk. cold and frosty with some ice patches in the far north, but elsewhere actually rather a lot of cloud frost free. but outbreaks of rain continue ing mostly where they left off at the end of yesterday. the rain does turn more showery across central and eastern england and then the showers ease further west to sunny spells. but the brightest weather will be across scotland , weather will be across scotland, northern england, northern ireland as well. it's going to

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gb news way. 10:00 on tuesday 5th of december. >> this is britain's newsroom on gb news with me bev turner and andrew pierce say rwanda treaty crunch the home secretary james cleverly is in the country to secure a deal today . secure a deal today. >> our political editor chris hope has the latest . hope has the latest. >> it's a big, big day here in downing street. cleverlys in in rwanda. the cabinet behind me is signing off on the rwanda deal. it's really important, the tories get this one right. >> net migration crackdown, yet another five point plan. they're all the rage these days, aren't they?it all the rage these days, aren't they? it was set out the they? it was set out by the government. this wants slash government. this wants to slash migration. 15 objectives migration. that's 15 objectives so from the conservatives so far from the conservatives this year . this year. >> and a gb news exclusive, a

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died. the home secretary is in rwanda as he works to secure a new treaty. the government hopes that it will revive its asylum policy . james cleverly will policy. james cleverly will spend the day meeting officials in kigali. he'll discuss what's being called a migration and economic development partnership . it's hoped the new agreement, along with emergency legislation here at home, will address the issues that led to the supreme court ruling against the plan in november. meanwhile the immigration minister has insisted that the flights will carry asylum seekers from the next general election here in the uk. thames water has warned that it's in severe financial distress and a turnaround will take time. the troubled water company's profits dropped by 54% in the six months to september as its debts ballooned . it as its debts ballooned. it reported around £13 billion in revenue. but spent a record 1 billion on network improvements . billion on network improvements. it comes days after its parent company warned it could run out of money by april unless it secures more funding. interim bosses say immediate and radical

action is needed to secure the finances of the uk's biggest water supplier strikes by train drivers across parts of england are continuing today, causing delays and gridlock across the country . no sea to sea trains country. no sea to sea trains are running, while greater anglia services are also disrupted. more operators are set to strike in the coming days as train drivers across england started a week long ban on overtime on friday, which is continuing to disrupt services. the managing director of sea to sea trains says that he's disappointed that an agreement hasn't yet been reached with the aslef union and trans women prisoners who've hurt or threatened women or girls will not be held in female prisons in scotland, a new policy set out by the scottish prison service will take an individualised approach to housing transgender people . it means some prisoners people. it means some prisoners will initially be placed in male prisons until more information is known about whether they should be housed in accordance with their chosen gender.

scotland's justice secretary says the policy supports the rights of transgender people and the welfare of prisoners and staff . a legal challenge over staff. a legal challenge over prince harry's security arrangements will be held at the high court later. for the duke of sussex was stripped of special protections normally afforded to royals when he stepped back from his role in 2020. instead he wants to pay police officers for security services when he and his family visit the uk . the previous visit the uk. the previous decade has been the hottest on record, with polar and mountain ice melting at unprecedented rates. that's according to the united nations climate agency. they say that antarctic ice sheet lost nearly 75% more ice . sheet lost nearly 75% more ice. between 2011 and 2020 than it did ten years before. the hottest years of the decade were 2016 and 2020. here in the uk, more than 60 flood warnings are in place across england as heavy rain pushed out the snow. it

follows a night of subzero temperatures and ice across the north of scotland , where north of scotland, where temperatures dipped as low as minus ten overnight. there's a further 182 flood alerts with people urged to stay cautious . people urged to stay cautious. and shoppers appear to be sticking to plans for a budget christmas this year with spending down. that's despite black friday. you take uk retail sales increase by just 2.7% in november. that's a significant drop on last year's figures and the numbers aren't adjusted for inflation either, masking a likely drop in the number of sales. once higher prices are taken into account . this sales. once higher prices are taken into account. this is gb news across the uk on your tv, in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker. now it's back to andrew and . bev now it's back to andrew and. bev >> very good morning. it's ten zero six, right? what have you been saying at home? thank you very for getting in touch

very much for getting in touch with us this morning. andy has said, don't government said, don't the government understand we want immigration understand we want immigration under ? now, not in under control now? now, not in four months time. >> quite agree . >> quite agree. >> quite agree. >> jackie's also said they say we need immigrants to our we need immigrants to pick our strawberries, care workers strawberries, be care workers accepted. the question that accepted. but the question that is happened is never asked is what happened to who came last to the ones who came in last year to do those jobs if they all now gone home? and also , all now gone home? and also, what about what about the 17,000 asylum vanished ? >> and the 7 >> and the permanent secretary last week announced the commons giving know giving evidence. don't know where gone. where they are. they've gone. they've disappeared . that's just they've disappeared. that's just the they know about . yeah, the ones they know about. yeah, jeffrey . £480 million to jeffrey says. £480 million to france, 140 million to rwanda. jeffrey there may be another 50 million on the way. they're not they're not confirming it, but they're not confirming it, but they're not confirming it, but they're not quite denying it. the government and still nothing. what a total, total waste of money when people are struggling here. >> i couldn't agree more. and we've been talking about this this morning i was this morning because i was saying earlier about you this morning because i was sayingaearlier about you this morning because i was sayinga country'syut you this morning because i was sayinga country's value you this morning because i was sayinga country's value andj judge a country's value and politicians look at gdp, they want that to go up and

immigration does show evidence that increase the number that if you increase the number of here, your will go of people here, your gdp will go up. but . of people here, your gdp will go up. but. i don't think that's just what life is all about. and jane has said, in reality, you should measure a country by how well it treats its most vulnerable people. in my opinion, that good. opinion, we are not that good. so so right, jane. and so you're so right, jane. and this on that same issue, this one on that same issue, actually, steve said actually, steve has said the problem with allowing care workers dependents workers in with their dependents is of supporting them workers in with their dependents is in—work supporting them workers in with their dependents is in—work benefits.ig them workers in with their dependents is in—work benefits. we'dm workers in with their dependents is in—work benefits. we'd be with in—work benefits. we'd be far off subsidising care far better off subsidising care workers wages with costs workers wages with those costs and increase them from 20,000 to 30,000, which would attract far more brits to do the job. no extra pressure on any of our services. no overpopulation, such a great idea, steve. >> and it's so obvious it's staying right under the government's nose. again, government's nose. but again, they want to do they probably don't want to do that think that's that because they think that's going inflation going to put up inflation because but it because wage inflation. but it would make sense. >> then industries >> and then other industries would can would say, well, if you can subsidise wages, can't you subsidise their wages, can't you subsidise ours as well? >> a very special >> but this is a very special profession, it? carers >> but this is a very special profesand it? carers >> but this is a very special profesand how it? carers >> but this is a very special profesand how mucharers >> but this is a very special profesand how much are; >> but this is a very special profesand how much are they yeah. and how much are they already government yeah. and how much are they already so government yeah. and how much are they already so carers rnment yeah. and how much are they already so carers dorent yeah. and how much are they already so carers do the because so many carers do the job for their family and

job at home for their family and the people they love? absolutely >> keep in touch with us this morning vaiews@gbnews.com morning. vaiews@gbnews.com >> now the home secretary is in rwanda. going to sign a new rwanda. he's going to sign a new treaty the country today. treaty with the country today. >> so joining us now is gb news is political editor christopher hope. for anybody hope. morning chris. for anybody just tuning in, what's been what's been going on in rwanda and why is this visit going to make any difference whatsoever ? make any difference whatsoever? it's all about these small boats, crossings, bev and andrew, isn't it, across the south coast. >> now, i can tell you one year, five, five months and 20 days ago , the european court of human ago, the european court of human rights ruled that we couldn't we couldn't try and process people in rwanda who arrive here illegally across the south coast because it would breach their human rights. since then, 63,852 migrants have made that crossing because the government can't stop it. they can't . they want stop it. they can't. they want to and break this model of to try and break this model of these gangmasters who run, these these gangmasters who run, run these this operations and

say, if you arrive here legally , say, if you arrive here legally, you'll go to rwanda to be processed and the supreme court has supported that ruling . the has supported that ruling. the government now trying to government is now trying to change they change laws to make sure they can that involves a new can do it. that involves a new treaty . that's why treaty with rwanda. that's why james cleverly is today home james cleverly is today the home secretary the government is saying to the courts that saying that to the courts that this new treaty will show that if you are processed in rwanda , if you are processed in rwanda, you can't be sent back to the country. you're coming from. so you can't put risk. you can't be put at risk. they're hoping be enough they're hoping that'll be enough to the supreme court that to assure the supreme court that this plan can go ahead. separate to assure the supreme court that this pla|they're) ahead. separate to assure the supreme court that this pla|they're looking separate to assure the supreme court that this pla|they're looking ateparate to that, they're looking at changing the law on whether to disapply human rights to disapply human rights rules to those arrive illegally, those who arrive illegally, whether say, arrive to all whether to, say, arrive to all asylum seekers just right. those arriving through small boats or even changing the law in even just changing the law in parliament declare rwanda a parliament to declare rwanda a safe . all that is at safe country. all that is at play safe country. all that is at play this week because the government has to get a grip on the small boats crisis. we know what on net net what they're doing on net net migration. to cut that migration. they want to cut that by 300,000. wait and by 300,000. so we'll wait and see that's see if that works out. that's illegal here. illegal numbers coming here. the illegal numbers coming here. the illegal focus illegal numbers is the new focus behind in cabinet. so far, behind me in cabinet. so far, we've seen the cabinet go in.

whether out smiling, whether they come out smiling, we'll see. victoria we'll wait and see. victoria prentis is the attorney general. she's been on resignation watch. if she's not happy with what is agreed do try and agreed here, if they do try and push leave the echr in in push to leave the echr in in a very bespoke way, or at least disapply the rules in a very bespoke way, could resign. bespoke way, she could resign. so quite tense here in so it's quite tense here in downing street. we'll see downing street. and we'll see how that meeting ends shortly . how that meeting ends shortly. and should be set and the plan should be set out probably thursday. probably by thursday. >> i was reception >> chris, i was at a reception last night. maybe you were at the same one. lots of tory mps and peers there. didn't and peers there. i didn't meet one who thought would be a one who thought there would be a flight rwanda in the air flight to rwanda in the air before june, and i suspect more and more that we may be having and more that we may be having an early election . i love that . an early election. i love that. >> yeah, well, the prime minister told us today he wants the first flight to take off in the first flight to take off in the spring. that means may, but there's a heck of a long way to go before that. they've got to get this bill through the commons. will a commons. the laws will be a real problem as know, problem as you know, the government doesn't have a majority of it majority in house of lords. it be and whether they can use the

parliament act, that's not very clear because of course this idea manifesto . idea was not in the manifesto. so it you're absolutely right . i so it you're absolutely right. i think flights may not take off until may. and if we have an election , then that might be the election, then that might be the government can say, what government can say, look what we're going and do. but we're going to try and do. but if go in the year and if they go later in the year and are no flights taking are still no no flights taking off boats off and more small boats crossing next summer, don't forget, france might be distracted all distracted by the olympics. all sorts of matters might be in play. the one thing going for the government is the labour has got no real answer on this. they appear to more with appear to be more content with migrant numbers and migrant migration numbers and thatis migrant migration numbers and that is all they've got going for tories for them. at least the tories are do something. are trying to do something. labour's weaker. labour's answer is weaker. >> right , thank you very >> all right, thank you very much, christopher . do >> all right, thank you very much, christopher. do you think the british public are stupid the british public are so stupid that if they call an election in, say, june and the first flights have taken off in may, that people are going to go, oh , that people are going to go, oh, i'm going to vote conservative now then they've fixed now then because they've fixed it. suddenly they fixed it. well, any well, would it make any difference ? difference? >> people do want >> well, i think people do want there's been so invested in

there's been so much invested in this rwanda policy, it this rwanda policy, i think it would be deal for the would be a big deal for the tories to get the planes up in the you're going the air. but you're going to have have least a day. have to have at least one a day. it every day for weeks and it would every day for weeks and weeks and weeks. and how many how we? and course, how many can we? and of course, the rwanda the point about the rwanda policy deterrent. if they the point about the rwanda po|get deterrent. if they the point about the rwanda po|get flights, eterrent. if they the point about the rwanda po|get flights, thatent. if they the point about the rwanda po|get flights, that does: they the point about the rwanda po|get flights, that does it,iey do get flights, that does it, then coming in. then stop the boats coming in. do think , right, we'll do they then think, right, we'll go to early, but that would do they then think, right, we'll go 1test.'ly, but that would do they then think, right, we'll go 1test. so,)ut that would do they then think, right, we'll go 1test. so, i|t that would do they then think, right, we'll go 1test. so, i mean, would do they then think, right, we'll go 1test. so, i mean, iould do they then think, right, we'll go 1test. so, i mean, i hope it the test. so, i mean, i hope it works because they've got to do something because we cannot sustain people sustain 1.2 million people coming year because coming in every year because that's the gross figure. as ben rabid pointed out, 3000 rabid rightly pointed out, 3000 400,000 a leaving . but there 400,000 a leaving. but there often are young , bright things often are young, bright things are going to off be doctors and teachers abroad, which is very sad . sad. >> okay, let's think about this a little more in a little more depth. human rights lawyer dr. schwab kahn joins us now. now. schwab, good morning . when schwab, good morning. when you're listening to this debate , you're listening to this debate, what are you seeing? this is going to be a solution , the going to be a solution, the process occurring in rwanda at the moment. this treaty being signed is going to lead to

planes taking off, which is going to lead to it being a deterrent . do you think that's deterrent. do you think that's going to work? >> i no, i don't . i mean, i >> i no, i don't. i mean, i think i mean, obviously, even within that brief question, there's quite a few things. firstly, is rwanda generally the plan deterrent? secondly will plan a deterrent? secondly will what james cleverly is up to today work? thirdly, you know, will it get through the commons? will it actually make any difference? fourthly, will they will lead planes in will it lead to any planes in the those are all the air? so those are all completely you know, i think there just hurdles there are just so many hurdles and and problems, and obstacles and problems, legal practical , with each legal and practical, with each of steps. i don't of those steps. i just don't think to happen . but think it's going to happen. but particularly in terms of what he's doing today and, you know, just, know, your just, you know, as your political correspondent there was , know, the was explaining, you know, on the one to sign a new one hand, we want to sign a new international because we international treaty because we believe in international law. and , once rwanda signs and obviously, once rwanda signs that, there's no that, then, you know, there's no way back out. and then way they'll back out. and then in the sentence, we're in the same sentence, we're saying out or saying we want to pull out or exclude or limit the exclude somehow or limit the effect echr , which is an effect of the echr, which is an international treaty. we've been signed for decades. and signed up to for decades. and obviously the tory

obviously this is the tory government, know , who obviously this is the tory governn boast know , who obviously this is the tory governn boast about,yw , who obviously this is the tory governn boast about, you nho obviously this is the tory governn boast about, you know, proudly boast about, you know, we're just breaching international specific , international law in a specific, limited way. so what if we today sign this deal with rwanda where they promise we won't send these people back and then they decide to that limited, to breach that in a limited, specific oh we'll just send specific way? oh we'll just send afghans we'll just send afghans back or we'll just send libyans back. we'll send libyans back. we'll just send the syrian people back . so the syrian people back. so that's exactly the point. and that's exactly the point. and that's what we say. and i'm guessing probably guessing that's probably victoria as victoria prentice's point as well, said , you well, where we just said, you know, resignation watch know, she's on resignation watch as she understands the as a lawyer. she understands the importance of upholding international for everyone, international law for everyone, whether you like that specific law or not. think that's law or not. and i think that's the issue the supreme court going through all the evidence over the past decades found rwanda was not a safe country for these people. and now suddenly, we've got suddenly, you know, we've got this emergency this magic wand of emergency legislation and we will hereby declare rwanda to be safe. personally, i think that's a really childish, ridiculous thing to say. why do we work so hard everything else? hard on everything else? why don't emergency don't we just pass emergency legislation is now legislation in the nhs is now hereby declared perfect. no one

has any problems. everyone is a millionaire in the uk. the uk is hereby declared the best country in the world. because you know you actually have do things you actually have to do things to better. you can't to make things better. you can't just safe. if just declare them safe. even if parliament declares it. and so i think there are lots of legal issues with this plan. >> yeah, but shoaib isn't one of the problems. you , the problems. people like you, the problems. people like you, the human right, the great human rights which rights lawyers industry which blocks attempt the blocks every attempt by the government deport people to government to deport people to countries because they don't always believe they're genuine. and quite regularly on and we talk quite regularly on this to one of your this program to one of your colleagues, who's colleagues, david haye, who's a human lawyer, and he says human rights lawyer, and he says only 20% of the people he sees, he are cases . so he thinks are genuine cases. so that means 80% are fraudulent and human rights lawyers like you are supporting them. >> i mean , obviously i don't >> i mean, obviously i don't recognise those figures at all. well, he does even though he's been doing it for a very long time, of course. so even under, you know, theresa may, priti patel , suella braverman james patel, suella braverman james cleverly now, obviously, you know, not particularly lefty loonies , you know, 60, 70, 80%

loonies, you know, 60, 70, 80% of applicants are granted asylum. and so why are the granting asylum if these are all bogus claims? so i mean that's and even then, even when they claim those , even the ones that claim those, even the ones that are refused when they go to court, half those court, more than half of those the then overturn because the courts then overturn because they genuine asylum seekers. they are genuine asylum seekers. and then even if looking at this, know, we're talking and then even if looking at this, a know, we're talking and then even if looking at this, a yearw, we're talking and then even if looking at this, a year ago e're talking and then even if looking at this, a year ago whenilking and then even if looking at this, a year ago when we1g and then even if looking at this, a year ago when we were about a year ago when we were all saying is illegal. all saying this plan is illegal. obviously, know, we're just all saying this plan is illegal. obv extremists, know, we're just all saying this plan is illegal. obv extremists, yom, we're just all saying this plan is illegal. obv extremists, you know,3 just left extremists, you know, creating for the tories. creating trouble for the tories. but now the uk supreme court has said that. is that the same thing? >> i mean, genuine asylum seekers, they paying seekers, why are they paying money channel money to cross the channel >> no other >> because there's no other way of to here. ukrainians of them to get here. ukrainians didn't have to. afghans did on that. two flights we sent didn't have because we sent planes have to because we sent planes and brought them here like humans. are so many humans. but why are so many of them humans. but why are so many of the why so many of them young >> why are so many of them young men in their 20s and 30s? because don't want babies and because we don't want babies and because economic migrants. so that's why. come here. >> so that's why. come here. >> so that's why. come here. >> migrants. >> they're economic migrants. >> they're economic migrants. >> don't sorry, they're >> we don't sorry, they're economic migrants. >> that's why . >> that's why. >> that's why. >> no, they're not. yes they

are. how do we know ? are. how do we know? >> well, how do you know they're not? >> obviously, they checked their papers over. >> over over the side of the boats. >> because then why why are >> yes. because then why why are 60 to 70, 80% of them granted asylum in the very, very strict asylum in the very, very strict asylum system we have right now. so la braverman, priti patel, theresa may you know, established this asylum system. 60, 70% of people. the home office believes are genuine. so i just don't understand that. and you're asking why do they come here? that's why there are no legal routes. how are no safe legal routes. how are these why don't these people? why don't ukrainians do that? ukrainians have to do that? because we sent planes there and brought them here in afghanistan even. actually literally even. we actually literally prioritised bringing dogs over over people. we saw people hanging planes . were they hanging off planes. were they economic migrants, too ? what do economic migrants, too? what do we about that? and the we do about that? and that's the point. we know already point. palestine we know already will refugees, syria, will create refugees, syria, libya. many other countries. libya. so many other countries. where are the bringing where are the flights bringing people? are we saying no one there, a single person is a there, not a single person is a genuine asylum seeker. so show up . up. >> would em- em— >> would would you be in come over boats? would you be in

over on boats? would you be in support short of there being some sort of online application system from any country in the world whereby you can lodge your application? you're not having to get on a boat. it can be assessed in the uk and then you're either told, yes or no of course is an absolute dream. >> that's what. >> that's what. >> why does that not exist ? >> why does that not exist? >> why does that not exist? >> because we don't want that. this is what we like. this is what the tories like. this is the way going to win an election. what else are they winning? even fighting this next election rwanda ? election on other than rwanda? that's point that that's the one point that everyone's talking about. >> but they're losing fight >> but they're losing that fight . not working. . but that's that's not working. the logic of that doesn't stack up because this issue is high on the list of everybody's priorities. and if they could implement online application implement an online application system, which stop the system, which would stop the boats overnight, that would be great for the conservatives. why aren't they doing it? because if theresa may had sorted it out, how would suella braverman ever have secretary? have become home secretary? >> would ever be in the

>> how would she ever be in the race to? i mean, i think that's quite an obvious i don't quite an obvious thing. i don't understand don't understand how people don't understand how people don't understand that is understand that. i mean, that is what's happening. this is the one issue. what else? you know, why we not talking about the why are we not talking about the nhs, know, homeless nhs, the, you know, homeless veterans, our homeless, you know, british people on the streets now this streets right now because this is people are talking streets right now because this is thisple are talking streets right now because this is this is; are talking streets right now because this is this is whattalking streets right now because this is this is what willng streets right now because this is this is what will win the about. this is what will win the election. this is what the tories don't want us tories want. they don't want us focusing if focusing on those things. if they this, why they had resolved this, why aren't we talking about ukrainian seekers? we ukrainian asylum seekers? we brought an integrated brought in an integrated hundreds thousands them hundreds of thousands of them and absolutely and that's been absolutely fantastic, within fantastic, like literally within our why is that not an our homes. why is that not an issue? because i can't believe that's on the nhs, but that's true on the nhs, but i find it hard to believe. >> i think what you've just said is we don't the british government not want an online government do not want an online application which application system which would prevent off prevent dinghies taking off because helps them with their because it helps them with their political strategy and their machiavellian moves to put people in certain positions that just seems incredibly implausible . well well, it's implausible. well well, it's very plausible. >> if you look at what's happened. i mean, i don't know.

do you really think that's, you know, yourself in the know, even yourself in the position you're in understanding that? do you think that's implausible? okay, what implausible? i mean, okay, what are the top three right are the top three things right now? the british people will, you even now, you know, even right now, we were you know, were talking about, you know, whether flight takes off in whether the flight takes off in may or what's happening in may or june, what's happening in may. may important may. why is may an important month? election? month? because of the election? what's do with what's that got to do with rwanda? that do rwanda? what's that got to do with got with the treaty? what's that got to illegal illegal to do with illegal illegal immigrants? so you mean whilst we're about this , we're we're talking about this, we're not those other not talking about those other issues might reflect badly issues that might reflect badly on conservative booths, but on the conservative booths, but you're missing the point . you're missing the point. >> terribly. >> you're missing terribly. you're point the you're missing the point. the tories are getting a hammering because they're not getting to gnps because they're not getting to grips immigration because grips with immigration because they're outmanoeuvred by they're being outmanoeuvred by they're being outmanoeuvred by the human rights industry the great human rights industry lobby, part of . lobby, which you're part of. >> well, well, well. you you know, you just suggested a solution which is perfectly plausible and practical. practical and support that practical and i support that many. that's what we're actually calling for. we've been suggesting that for years. why can't why can't british embassies around the world take in asylum applications? pro

assess them and their flights for people who are successful? but is that is that because show i'm sorry to interrupt you, but i'm sorry to interrupt you, but i really do want to hear your expertise on this. >> is that because the numbers would there would increase, because there would increase, because there would millions of would be so many millions of people legitimate claims to people with legitimate claims to come war torn countries come from war torn countries that the government legally would not be able to say no , i would not be able to say no, i don't know if i mean, would the numbers increase? >> we've seen so many. and secondly, the whole point is but it would answer all our questions. but why are these all young because men young men? because young men can make miles of, make this thousands of miles of, you the sea voyage, at you know, the sea voyage, at least way we could bring in least that way we could bring in the women. can bring the women. we can bring in disabled can bring disabled people. we can bring in people can people on life support. we can bnng people on life support. we can bring the children. so the bring in the children. so the point is, i mean, ijust bring in the children. so the point is, i mean, i just don't understand why we do understand why why can't we do that? mean, i don't know about that? i mean, i don't know about the sure if the figures. i'm not sure if they would necessarily go up. but everyone but and what if everyone started doing then yes, that's the doing that? then yes, that's the point. you all point. you know, all the countries distribute, countries we distribute, the refugees, are refugees, the point is these are needy people. we countries, the west rich countries, people with food, people with money have to

help them. and it would be wonderful show up and would wonderful show up and it would be wonderful we could take be wonderful if we could take everybody . everybody that needed. >> haven't got the >> and we haven't got the safety, do not have the safety, but we do not have the room. do not have the room. we do not have the resources. do not have resources. we do not have the pubuc resources. we do not have the public services. really public services. i really appreciate your time, though, this so much. this morning. thank you so much. human rights lawyer dr. shoaib khan sorry, the human khan there. i'm sorry, the human rights industry rights lawyers in the industry are the problem. are part of the problem. >> but that's really >> yeah, but that's really interesting saying interesting what he was saying then that then about the fact that there is there no i've is because there is no i've asked this of several people in the studios never really got a clear we don't clear answer as to why we don't have clear answer as to why we don't hav if there was an online >> if there was an online application system whereby you could say, i live here, this is why have to come over there why i have to come over there and we could say from the safety of yes of an office in westminster, yes or no. and that's or computer says no. and that's it. no boats , no numbers. it. done. no boats, no numbers. we control it. if i'm missing something, let me know. vaiews@gbnews.com. >> well, because the economic markets don't want that markets don't want to do that because get through. because they won't get through. so they come on the boats with which so they come on the boats with whi but but but then >> but then. but then. but then if you have a system you can say, well, i'm sorry, if you come boat, we literally come on a boat, we literally turn straight you turn you straight back. you don't never apply for

don't you can never apply for asylum on a boat, asylum if you come on a boat, because we could do it on your computer. >> well, they should all be turned back they're turned back because they're coming illegally. coming here illegally. they should all be turned back. >> on, an >> right? moving on, an exclusive investigations exclusive gb news investigations revealed can revealed that sex offenders can dodge protection dodge their public protection orders names. orders by changing their names. are at are these putting people at risk? britain's newsroom risk? this is britain's newsroom on .

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news. >> very good morning. it's 1027. >> very good morning. it's1027. this is britain's newsroom with andrew pierce and bev turner. >> so a gb news investigation is unveiled. allegations sex offenders can dodge their offenders can dodge dodge their pubuc offenders can dodge dodge their public protection restrictions offenders can dodge dodge their puichanging:tion restrictions offenders can dodge dodge their puichanging:tion |namesons offenders can dodge dodge their puichanging:tion |names when by changing their names when they apply for work. >> that's right, a whistleblower said case, had no said that in one case, he had no power a paedophile from power to stop a paedophile from using when seeking using an alias when seeking support job centre. support from a job centre. >> charlie peters has this exclusive report . exclusive report. >> when a prisoner is released , >> when a prisoner is released, they are offered support to get a job and get their life back on track . more serious offenders track. more serious offenders are put under severe restrictions on where they can work and who they can work with, and they're monitored to protect the public and avoid re—offending . yet astonishingly , re—offending. yet astonishingly, gb news has learned that former convicts are able to change their names when applying for work, making it difficult for employers to learn about their criminal past and convictions . criminal past and convictions. the national probation service

works with job centres like this one in oxford to monitor convicts as they support their return to work and its staff here and at otherjob centres who have told gb news that ex—convicts, including at least three sex offenders, were able to dodge restrictions by using an alias when applying for work. mark is a former civil servant who recently told us about how his job centre was mismatched ageing, dangerous ex—offenders . ageing, dangerous ex—offenders. but in new claims he has told us about how the probation service had sent his job centre a file on a dangerous ex—prisoner using their alias . their alias. >> so that meant that when the offender went to the job centre there was no intelligence on file for them. it's all under a different name so they could get work or devices with no restrictions in place . restrictions in place. >> in one case, a sex offender who had searched for victims on social media was able to change his name on their dwp account,

despite being a repeat offender in another scandal, mark said he had no power to stop a paedophile who had raped a 15 year old girl from changing his name to a female name , which name to a female name, which meant that any future employers could now miss vital intelligence . intelligence. >> this child rapist decided that they wanted to become a woman . they could have changed woman. they could have changed their name and it would not have matched the name for their restrictions . restrictions. >> when mark contacted the national probation service to raise the alarm about an alias case, the response he got back from an officer was, wow, you definitely have wells of patience to go through all that. the government is calling for a change in the law to stop sex offenders being able to enjoy their freedom with a new identity . identity. >> the government will also bnng >> the government will also bring forward amendments to the bill to restrict the ability of registered sex offenders to change their names in in certain

circumstances . circumstances. >> mark said that he was overseeing around 170 former prisoners returning to the workplace following their release , of which 50 were release, of which 50 were considered a risk and had restrictions . he admits that he restrictions. he admits that he has no idea how many were using an alias , potentially escaping an alias, potentially escaping their monitoring and employment restriction as mark contacted senior civil servants about a strategy to bypass this problem by searching for claimants using their national insurance number, which cannot be changed. >> this initiative was implemented only months later. it vanished. it had been acknowledged that this tool was needed and for reasons unknown , needed and for reasons unknown, it was removed . it was removed. >> charlie peters gb news oxford i >> -- >> ina >> in a statement, the ministry of justice said the uk is some

of justice said the uk is some of the toughest powers in the world to deal with sex offenders and those who manage on licence must gain permission from the probation taking must gain permission from the pro any )n taking must gain permission from the pro any jobs taking must gain permission from the pro any jobs . taking up any jobs. >> they must inform the relevant authorities they change their authorities if they change their name face recall to prison. name and face recall to prison. if fail to do so. gb news if they fail to do so. gb news reporter charlie peters joins us now. they say they must inform the authorities. >> they're clearly not. the authorities. >> well, they're clearly not. the authorities. >> well, here's; clearly not. the authorities. >> well, here's the�*arly not. the authorities. >> well, here's the problem. this whistleblower this is what the whistleblower is claiming to us in these fresh revelations. remember last month we report where we had a report where a whistleblower told us that the dwp and the national probation service were failing to correctly manage dangerous ex prisoners intelligence files on their restrictions , such as who their restrictions, such as who they can work with and where they can work with and where they can work with and where they can work, were not being managed properly. and these fresh claims , this is being fresh claims, this is being said, it's being alleged that the documentation is not being connected to the right names in some circumstances is because ex prisoners on their universal credit accounts that they can change their name online and immediately it's changed on the

system . now it's understood that system. now it's understood that the ministry of justice policy is that the work coach, the person on the coal face in the job centre has to approve that name change by getting some id and another situation on there. but that change is made immediately . it's the only name immediately. it's the only name seen on the account. so they're relying on the vigilance of work coaches to ensure that information is transferred from the national probation service to the universal credit claimant if it's not, you could have a situation where a registered sex offender is able to apply for work and devices and training opportunities without the right restrictions being put in place . restrictions being put in place. many work coaches i've spoken to say that this situation is not fit for purpose . fit for purpose. >> okay, super. thank you, charlie. charlie peters, good story. up next, sam francis with your headlines. your news headlines. >> bev, thank you. >> bev, thank you. >> good morning. it's 1033. >> bev, thank you. >> good morning. it's1033. i'm sam francis in the newsroom. the

headunes sam francis in the newsroom. the headlines this hour. tory mps have voted against the government last night in favour of speeding up compensation for the victims of the infected blood scandal. 22 conservatives backed the labour led amendment to set up a body to operate the compensation scheme . it was the compensation scheme. it was the prime minister's first defeat in the commons with the haemophilia society saying that rishi sunak should be ashamed that he was forced to do the right thing. around 30,000 people were given contaminated blood in the 1970s and 80s since then 3000 have died . the home secretary is in died. the home secretary is in rwanda as he works to secure a new treaty that the government hopes will revive its asylum policy. james cleverly will spend the day meeting officials in kigali, where he'll discuss what's being called a migration and economic development partnership. it's hoped the new agreement, along with emergency legislation here at home, will address the issues that led to the supreme court's ruling against the plan in november. here in the uk, thames water has

warned that it's in severe financial distress and a turnaround will take time . the turnaround will take time. the troubled water company's profits dropped by 54% in the six months to september as its debts ballooned. it reported around £1.3 ballooned. it reported around £13 billion of revenue, but it £1.3 billion of revenue, but it spent a record 1 billion on network improvements . it comes network improvements. it comes days after its parent company warned it could run out of money by april . that's unless it by april. that's unless it secures more funding . interim secures more funding. interim bosses say immediate and radical action is needed to secure the finances of the uk's biggest water supplier. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website , gbnews.com visiting our website, gbnews.com . for stunning gold and silver coins. >> you'll always value. rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report. >> well, here's a quick snapshot of today's markets . the pound of today's markets. the pound will buy you 1.263, $2 and

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that i knew had dewbs& co week nights from . six nights from. six >> and it's 1040 with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner, we have our fabulous panel here, author and political commentator tanya buxton, our great friend gb buxton, and our great friend gb news, political news, senior political commentator . commentator nato nelson. >> tanya greta >> all right, tanya greta thunberg and some of her mates have been talking about the fact that no climate that there will be no climate justice human rights. justice without human rights. this has got the wokeist worthiest article in the newspaper today, presumably groan about little rancid groan about that little rancid thing again. >> i mean , what did you call >> i mean, what did you call that, rancid thing? she's inspiring a generation in tanya buxton. can't call her, can't call her rancid. >> that's a bit harsh. >> that's a bit harsh. >> i think . irritating. well,

>> i think. irritating. well, and irritating. i think she's causing a lot of mental health issues in the younger generation ocean. i mean, i think it's been admitted that she is on the spectrum. and i think a lot of the a lot of the time what she does, she of goes down. her does, she kind of goes down. her parents have said parents themselves have said that in in having that she would be in in having to take a lot of mental health care wasn't kind of care if she wasn't kind of running this. she gets running with this. so she gets this in head and she this thing in her head and she goes what she's goes and actually what she's doing a great deal of harm to doing is a great deal of harm to our youngsters because they're listening to her and she's everywhere. she's every everywhere. she's on every news channel. everywhere. she's on every news chan the fact that she's i hate the fact that she's here. i mean, i her colleague, ade mean, i like her colleague, ade nielson , because he doesn't know nielson, because he doesn't know whether martha or arthur. nielson, because he doesn't know whe he r martha or arthur. nielson, because he doesn't know whe he really martha or arthur. nielson, because he doesn't know whe he really doesn'tor arthur. nielson, because he doesn't know whe he really doesn't know.|ur. no, he really doesn't know. >> he says column in the guardian column the guardian, the column in the guardian, which is saying they're pronouns. >> he says, all pronouns. i mean. mean, how many pronouns mean. i mean, how many pronouns can i don't know. can you be then? i don't know. you be about 300in the you could be about 300in the nigel could be dog. apparently he, they it's, it's , he, she then they it's, it's, it's so stupid. it beggars belief. >> i mean it does mean you can be on the pronoun front, it means that it doesn't mind

terribly so he can be a they them theirs or he him his what about it. >> can you be in it. >>— >> can you be in it. >> well if he goes for all pronouns then the answer must be yes. wasn't it. >> well i mean , why would you >> well i mean, why would you ask me? >> i know. i don't >> i don't know. i don't understand whole obsession understand this whole obsession with. don't. understand this whole obsession witii don't. understand this whole obsession witii don't don't. understand this whole obsession witii don't go ion't. understand this whole obsession witii don't go in 't. understand this whole obsession witii don't go in for pronouns >> i don't go in for pronouns ehhen >> i don't go in for pronouns either. mean, if people either. but i mean, if people want. mr >> mr >> mr >> miss, mrs. >> miss, mrs. >> mrs. >> mrs. >> mrs. >> i'm a mrs. guy. i am. we're all we're rather mrs. we're very boring. but my main, my main point is, is this just feels like a deflection. it feels like a getting attention where we're talking about stupidity and it's unbelievable. non common sense stupidity. and we're giving it airtime. >> and your argument then is that she's exaggerate greta thunberg and her cohort of dems , thunberg and her cohort of dems, they are exaggerating the climate emergency and therefore thatis climate emergency and therefore that is what's keeping teenagers awake at night. maybe teenagers need to be aware of that. >> yeah. i mean , i wouldn't go >> yeah. i mean, i wouldn't go as far as tonya just did on on greta thunberg. >> you don't she's rancid?

>> you don't think she's rancid? >> you don't think she's rancid? >> don't think she is. no. >> no, i don't think she is. no. i think you think she's intensely irritated every right? no, she's got every no, no. i think she's got every right actually. but you right to, actually. but do you think she's do you think she's irritating? can be irritating? she can be irritating, yes. >> then never known >> but then i've never known when lot of people who when she is a lot of people who eveni when she is a lot of people who even i support actually even i support are actually irritated by i think she's malleable what i think point malleable is what i think point here i'm sure that here is that i'm not sure that climate change activists should be the war in gaza i >>i >> i mean, they are separate things. and this kind of justification that climate change activists have got to believe in human rights and therefore , for every human therefore, for every human right, then falls into their purview . you. but that's that's purview. you. but that's that's got to be wrong . got to be wrong. >> that's the twisted part about it, isn't it ? >> that's the twisted part about it, isn't it? that if you believe in one thing, then you have to believe all these other things and that's where it's so wrong stops the wrong because it stops the debate. this this debate. i mean, this, this what's in society today what's happened in society today is the snowflakes are struggling with is that they don't debate anymore. we used to have great debates when i was at university. you're university. now you're only allowed debate one side of

allowed to debate one side of the coin. there's people the coin. so there's people debating thing because debating the same thing because people all people are getting cancelled all the time. >> and do know sort of >> and do you know what sort of leads on a little bit? just leads us on a little bit? i just want talk about want to talk about i'm a celebrity just moment, celebrity for just a moment, because rose got voted out because nyla rose got voted out last night actually in her last night and actually in her interview dec when last night and actually in her inte came dec when last night and actually in her inte came out, dec when last night and actually in her inte came out, she dec when last night and actually in her inte came out, she actually when last night and actually in her inte came out, she actually said1 she came out, she actually said said it was unusual for me to be with people who don't think like i do. and she said , so the i do. yeah. and she said, so the conversations with fred sirieix or with with nigel. thank you. nigel farage. i'm looking at another nigel and i can't remember his name. the other one that actually she said, i never, remember his name. the other one tiam actually she said, i never, remember his name. the other one tiam neverly she said, i never, remember his name. the other one tiam never with; said, i never, remember his name. the other one tiam never with people never, remember his name. the other one tiam never with people whoer, remember his name. the other one tiam never with people who don't i am never with people who don't share my opinion. that's a damning indictment on that generation, isn't it? >> that's right. well, i mean, it be because on it may be because she's on social media, a social media social media, but a social media star, mean, that's social media, but a social media stari mean, that's social media, but a social media stari mean, mean, that's social media, but a social media stari mean, therean, that's social media, but a social media stari mean, the real that's social media, but a social media stari mean, the real problem the i mean, the real problem about free speech is that big tech is now running it. and that's where it becomes difficult. so if there tailoring content towards your social media account, which is based on what you've liked before or all

that will do is reinforce what you already believe and you won't get to see other opinions or whatever. so there is an absolute classic there that she's in that kind of social media world doesn't get exposed to ideas from outside. yeah. and it i mean, it goes further at the moment that the, the good girl facebook they tend to decide what we are reading. i mean newspaper websites are all media websites. if you were to get big numbers, you've got to go along with their algorithm so they decide what is going to be promoted. and i think that they are probably biggest danger to free speech at the moment. >> no more freedom >> so there's no more freedom of speech, because speech, is there, because you're being manipulated being you're being manipulated and manipulated fed. you and manipulated and fed. you nozzle these nozzle through these these avenues. nozzle through these these avenues . and is where it's avenues. and this is where it's so and this it's so wrong. and this is where it's affecting kids. i wonder if affecting our kids. i wonder if she'll from this that she'll learn from this that there is a different view out there. >> and i think the shock of being the jungle being booted out of the jungle so might do her some so quickly might do her some good. so quickly might do her some gooshe you know, if you went >> she was you know, if you went to at the beginning,

>> she was you know, if you went to was at the beginning, >> she was you know, if you went to was favourite.)eginning, >> she was you know, if you went to was favourite. shelning, >> she was you know, if you went to was favourite. she was|, she was the favourite. she was one the favourites. and one of the favourites. yeah. and i think she's lost quite one of the favourites. yeah. and i few< she's lost quite one of the favourites. yeah. and i few followershe's lost quite one of the favourites. yeah. and i few followers because quite one of the favourites. yeah. and i few followers because she.e a few followers because she. yeah, has for the, for the yeah, she has for the, for the two people. like when fred, you know, fred , i know, i'm not a fan of fred, i think so bossy his whole think he's so bossy his whole cooking thing would drive me. can you imagine if i was in there with him? >> a clash. >> there'd be a clash. >> there'd be a clash. >> you're not watching it, >> if you're not watching it, basically. josie gibson from this now official this morning is now the official chef. let her do chef. and fred cannot let her do it interfering and it without interfering and telling to it. telling her how to do it. >> adorable. >> so adorable. >> so adorable. >> doesn't matter. everybody >> but doesn't matter. everybody can should be can cook and everybody should be allowed experiment . you know, allowed to experiment. you know, it's if i in it's not about if i was in the jungle tonya, i would it's not about if i was in the junglook, tonya, i would it's not about if i was in the junglook, you tonya, i would it's not about if i was in the junglook, you do tonya, i would it's not about if i was in the junglook, you do the a, i would it's not about if i was in the junglook, you do the cooking,d say, look, you do the cooking, so would fine. so that would be fine. >> the washing up. i'd be >> i do the washing up. i'd be happy to wash you and you do the cooking a cooking to have a go. >> so she's and she's good. >> so she's good and she's good. and stop being so bossy. but so the arguments that had the arguments that nella had with they the arguments that nella had with terrible, they the arguments that nella had with terrible, weren't they? were terrible, weren't they? anyway but the point is, that anyway but the point is, is that the she had the two arguments that she had with allegedly white with the two allegedly white men. the ones that have men. yeah are the ones that have lost her followers, which is really lost her followers, which is reaireally interesting. >> really interesting. >> really interesting. >> yeah. >> yeah. yeah, yeah. >> yeah. yeah, yeah. >> how quickly she >> i wonder how quickly she protests she was kicked protests that she was kicked out because people didn't objected

to perhaps her ethnicity. >> i mean, i hope she doesn't . >> i mean, i hope she doesn't. >> i mean, i hope she doesn't. >> she was kicked out because she was intensely irritating. >> rather liked her. i thought >> i rather liked her. i thought the early days. of course you did. and early did. the early and the early days, we did. days, but we all did. >> she had that >> but then when she had that interaction fred sirieix, interaction with fred sirieix, yeah, didn't help. interaction with fred sirieix, yeawhere dn't help. interaction with fred sirieix, yeawhere het help. interaction with fred sirieix, yeawhere he had p. interaction with fred sirieix, yeawhere he had said something >> where he had said something that she had misinterpreted wilfully , i think, perhaps wilfully, i think, perhaps wilfully, i think, perhaps wilfully misinterpreted, cause an argument and didn't talk to him. >> and it was a really horrible character , a kind of insight character, a kind of insight into her character. actually that she was going to be that nasty to him. really, really unpleasant . and i think the unpleasant. and i think the audience just didn't forgive her from that point onwards, did they? not. do we they? no, absolutely not. do we want to talk about tony blair becoming king becoming the king >> let's hope never does. can >> let's hope he never does. can we just caveat that right at the beginning of the conversation? >> would love that. >> vanity would love that. >> vanity would love that. >> i mean, president. >> i mean, or the president. >> i mean, or the president. >> i mean, that's the very tuned in. >> that's perfect reason to >> that's a perfect reason to keep monarchy, keep the monarchy, to stop people blair becoming president. >> this story in contact. i think we should know what's happened, nigel. so this is the

crown and the queen has a dream . crown and the queen has a dream. so we have a dream scene and the dream tony blair takes dream is that tony blair takes over as king. it's not a dream. >> that's a nightmare . >> that's a nightmare. >> that's a nightmare. >> i love this . i love the >> i love this. i love the crown. but this particular for series of it, i've been really irritated about die a brilliant die by the way. yes, she's a brilliant actress. but. but die actually turning up as a ghost. you you could have cut that out . you you could have cut that out. theidea you you could have cut that out. the idea of a dream that tony blair becomes king. we have yet to see yet. but i'd rather to see it yet. but i'd rather that wasn't there either. let's try and keep to the facts as we know them and then put the drama around it. >> but they haven't stuck to the facts anyway. they've taken huge liberties with the facts which they're it's they're allowed to because it's a drama. yeah. >> are indeed. i mean >> and they are indeed. i mean that watched the last that when i watched the last series was when sort of tuned series was when i sort of tuned in, was because that i'd been in, it was because that i'd been a correspondent a royal correspondent during that broadly, that period, right? and broadly, they the atmosphere right. they got the atmosphere right. just all the facts were muddled up and timeline was muddled up and the timeline was muddled up and the timeline was muddled up what happened. up about what happened. >> nigel just stay

>> nigel and tonya, just stay with a moment. with us for a moment. >> we're going to take another story today. we've got an mp waiting porn waiting down the line porn websites will websites in the uk will soon have ensure that users are have to ensure that users are over 18 checking id over 18 by checking their id asking bank mobile asking for their bank or mobile provider us vouch for them or provider us to vouch for them or using technology that can estimate age facial recognition. >> now joining us now is the conservative penistone conservative mp for penistone and , miriam cates, and stocksbridge, miriam cates, who's group called who's part of that group called the conservatives. and the new conservatives. and she is champion this proposal. is a champion of this proposal. this is designed presumably , this is designed presumably, miriam, to protect young people from getting easy access to porn, which they can have now . porn, which they can have now. >> yes, absolutely . >> yes, absolutely. >> yes, absolutely. >> so if we go back 15 or 20 years before the internet , years before the internet, pornography in this country was very tightly regulated . very tightly regulated. >> dvds, magazines, those kind of things were subject to a fairly strict laws and ratings and quite a lot of materials completely illegal. if it was found to be too harmful. but of course, the internet has changed all that and some very hardcore violent pornography is now available at the click of a

button . the average age button. the average age of a child coming across it is about 11, so it has completely changed the landscape in terms what the landscape in terms of what our children seeing . and as our children are seeing. and as i isn't the of i said, this isn't the kind of magazines that people of my magazines that some people of my generation and older might kind of from childhood boys, of remember from childhood boys, you hiding behind the you know, hiding behind the sheds at school. this is some serious violent, very serious, hardcore, violent, very misogynistic , often veering misogynistic, often veering towards the completely illegal in terms of child or child abuse thatis in terms of child or child abuse that is giving our children sex education and the consequences for society that are enormous for society of that are enormous . we're hearing reports of girls .we're hearing reports of girls being injured during sex, those kind of things. and the only answer really is to remove this material from our children's sight. so the online safety bill that went through parliament over years over the last number of years has hugely long time has been a hugely long time coming. managed get this coming. we managed to get this amendment there at the last amendment in there at the last minute that that minute. that means that pornography sites have to put in this age verification very securely to prevent as far as possible under eighteens from accessing possible under eighteens from accessi miriam, does this mean >> so, miriam, does this mean that over 18, anybody that anybody over 18, anybody now, any consenting adults , if

now, any consenting adults, if they want to watch pornography on the internet, will have to put in either their facial recognition or their bank details or some other form of identification . identification. >> they will have to do something that proves they are over 18, just as if you walked into an adult store and wanted to hire or purchase an adult dvd, you would have to show your your legal aid that you were buying alcohol. it's the same thing. and of course, it is illegal to watch pornography under 18. so this is just enforcing the law. i think enforcing the law. but i think people do obviously have concerned but concerned about our privacy. but let's think about it. think about going to a nightclub. if you to a nightclub , you might you go to a nightclub, you might show driving show the bouncer your driving license that proves you're over 18, bouncer doesn't keep 18, but the bouncer doesn't keep your license. he doesn't your driving license. he doesn't keep your details. he just sees in that one moment you are over 18 and are plenty of 18 and there are plenty of technologies out there can technologies out there that can do same , have the same do the same, have the same effect online. and in france, they're doing something very, very this. but you very similar to this. but you can recognition. you can use facial recognition. you can use facial recognition. you can party ids

can use third party digital ids that protect people's data and security. and of course, that's very important . but i think some very important. but i think some of the free speech arguments against this very spurious against this are very spurious because pornography free because pornography is not free speech. it's not freedom of expression. it's illegal for children to watch it. it's very harmful. and the kind of pornography we're seeing online would illegal in would be completely illegal in real life. so i think we have to be serious about this issue. >> if as a consenting adult, >> but if as a consenting adult, if you are 40 year old man now if you are a 40 year old man now and you want to watch some pornography in the of pornography in the privacy of your home, which you should your own home, which you should be allowed to do, you will now have put into there who you have to put into there who you are and that website will know and that data will be stored. and who knows where that's going to go. miriam no, no, no. >> that's what i'm saying. no not necessarily. now, a pornography company could choose to use that to take your details, but there are many other technologies out there like facial recognition, which would prove that your facial structure is of an adult, but stores no data about who you are or some of these third party

digital ids is the equivalent of showing your driving license to a browser who stores the information about you . those are information about you. those are available and people use all the time for other services of banking and things like that. those technologies are out there. it doesn't to be the there. it doesn't have to be the case those case that you store data. those are options looked are the kind of options looked at ofcom. at by ofcom. >> i listen, i admire and i know that we share this ambition to protect our children from this sort content . my concern is sort of content. my concern is if you are a 70 year old boy now and you have natural and you have a natural evolutionary you , you will evolutionary urge, you, you will not on to those websites . you not go on to those websites. you will something more will find something more pernicious . you will to the pernicious. you will go to the dark web . what think dark web. what do you think about that ? about that? >> well, course , the dark web >> well, of course, the dark web exists, but this is about reducing the availability . it's reducing the availability. it's just like smoking or alcohol. you're not going to stop all children every where from watching this tool . that's just watching this tool. that's just not possible. but you can drastically reduce the amount of children who come across this by accident . and that's what's so accident. and that's what's so important because we that important because we know that seeing violent pornography at a

crucial brain development age. so, know, 11 to 13 changes, so, you know, 11 to 13 changes, boys attitude to sex for their entire life and what they find pleasurable or what they want to do, we've got to stop that happening. and this is the only way. >> okay. miriam, great to see you. you so much for clarifying. >> i think she's incredibly persuasive because i was had some reservations about your rights. but i think they're very persuasive . persuasive. >> for minute, priti >> just for a minute, priti patel authored the trip. then suella went now suella braverman went and now james three james cleverly, three home secretaries flights secretaries and zero flights to rwanda cleverlys visit . rwanda could cleverlys visit. turn the this is britain's turn the tide. this is britain's newsroom gb is a newsroom on gb news is a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello, very good morning to you. it's aidan mcgivern here with the met office forecast for gb news marked contrasts in the weather across the uk. cold and frosty with some ice patches in the far north. but elsewhere actually rather a lot of cloud frost free, but but outbreaks of rain continuing mostly where

they left off at the end of yesterday day. the rain does turn more showery across central and eastern england and then the showers ease further west to sunny spells. but the brightest weather will be across scotland. northern england, northern ireland as well . it's going to ireland as well. it's going to stay cold here with some icy patches. first thing for northern scotland. but actually for many, a crisp winter's day . for many, a crisp winter's day. same can't be said for the north sea coast of england where we're going to continue to see some showers breeze showers and a keen breeze blowing in into the evening. that does eventually also ease overnight and with clear skies breaking out widely tonight, we're going to see another widespread frost with some freezing fog patches for central and southern scotland, for example, into parts of northern england, especially the vale of york. and some of these freezing fog patches will be slow to clear tomorrow morning. so continuing with the fog into lunchtime in some places away from the fog , actually plenty of from the fog, actually plenty of sunny skies for scotland , sunny skies for scotland, northern and eastern england, even across parts of central

england. we'll see some sunshine continuing into the afternoon. but for northern ireland, western fringes of england , western fringes of england, wales and scotland, cloud thickens . outbreaks rain thickens. outbreaks of rain return . return. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> thanks aiden . still to come, >> thanks aiden. still to come, the labour council, which stole christmas. the tory mp of lincoln, carl mccartney, will be here to give his thoughts on the council that shut down a christmas miss that because it was too successful . can you was too successful. can you believe it? well it's just stay tuned.

gb news. well. good morning . it's 11 am. well. good morning. it's 11 am. on tuesday, the 5th of december. this is britain's newsroom on gb news. with me, andrew pierce and beth turner. >> rwanda treaty crunch talks. the home secretary james cleverly will secure a deal with rwanda today. we'll have the latest . latest. >> and the yet another net migration crackdown. have you heard this before? a five point plan set out by the government to slash migration by 300,000, but not yet . it won't start but not yet. it won't start until the spring. and rishi sunak suffered his first defeat in the house of commons over the infected blood scandal yesterday, with a majority of mps voting in favour a new mps voting in favour of a new group to help compensate victims. >> we're going to be looking at the cost of this tragedy the human cost of this tragedy with the tory rebels . with one of the tory rebels. >> factor eight was largely imported from the states and

blood often came from prisoners and drug addicts warnings. it was not safe, were ignored for years and labour council christmas the local council which shut down britain's england's oldest christmas market because quote it was so popular it was a safety risk. >> we're talking to local tory mp who's not very happy, of course . coui'se. >> course. >> and if you're watching yesterday you'll have seen how cross we were about that christmas market in lincoln being cancelled because it was too successful. what does that say about this country ? all say about this country? all those traders who need that business? yeah, i was very cross and nigel farage. >> he's still there in the jungle. i voted for him five times yesterday. somebody downloaded the app for me. the awful nella got voted out. and if you want to make him king of the jungle. >> yeah, that's right. grab your

phone. code the phone. scan the qr code on the screen. you can download the screen. now you can download the app screen. now you can download the app you can vote for nigel app and you can vote for nigel five times a day for free. a vote for nigel a vote for gb vote for nigel is a vote for gb news, in my opinion. absolutely right. so let's make him king of the jungle, shall we? all that and a lot more this morning. first, latest first, though, your very latest news with sam francis . news with sam francis. >> bev, thank you. good morning. it's just gone 11:02. i'm sam francis in the newsroom . tory francis in the newsroom. tory mps voted against the government last night in favour of speeding up compensation for the victims of the infected blood scandal . of the infected blood scandal. 22 conservatives backed the labour led amendment to set up a body to operate the compensation scheme. it's the prime minister's first defeat in the commons with the haemophilia society saying that rishi sunak should be ashamed that he was forced right thing. forced to do the right thing. around people were given around 30,000 people were given contaminated blood in the 1970s and 80 and since then 3000 have

died . the home secretary is in died. the home secretary is in rwanda as he works to secure a new treaty that the government hopes will revive the asylum policy . james cleverly will policy. james cleverly will spend the day meeting officials in kigali. he'll discuss what's being called a migration and economic development partnership . it's hoped the new agreement, along with emergency legislation here at home, will address the issues that led to the supreme court's ruling against the plan in november. meanwhile the immigration minister has insisted that the first flights carrying asylum seekers will depart before the next general election . meanwhile, the backlog election. meanwhile, the backlog of asylum seekers, asylum cases rather here in the uk has fallen by nearly half in november as the government works to clear older cases by the end of the yeah older cases by the end of the year. the prime minister has promised to work through all outstanding legacy cases. that's applications that are waiting for a decision. since june last year. for a decision. since june last year . thames for a decision. since june last year. thames water has warned that it's in severe financial distress and it says a turnaround will take time . the

turnaround will take time. the troubled water company's profits dropped by 54% in the six months to september , and its debts have to september, and its debts have ballooned . it reported around ballooned. it reported around £1.3 ballooned. it reported around £13 billion in revenue, but it £1.3 billion in revenue, but it says it spent a record 1 billion on network improvements . it on network improvements. it comes days after its parent company warned it could run out of money by april unless it secures more funding . interim secures more funding. interim bosses say immediate and radical action is needed to secure the finances of the uk's biggest water supplier. strikes by train drivers across parts of england are continuing today, causing delays and gridlock across the country . no sea to sea. trains country. no sea to sea. trains are running, while greater anglia services are also disrupted. more operators are set to strike in the coming days . train drivers across england started a week long ban on overtime as well last friday, which is continuing to disrupt services. the managing director of sea to sea trains says that he's disappointed that an agreement hasn't yet been reached with the aslef union . reached with the aslef union. trans women prisoners who've

been who have hurt or threatened women or girls will not be held in female prisons in scotland. a new policy set out by the scottish prison service will take an individualised approach to housing transgender people . to housing transgender people. it means that some prisoners will initially be placed in male prisons until more information is known about whether they should housed in accordance should be housed in accordance with their chosen gender. scotland's secretary scotland's justice secretary says the policy supports the right of transgender people and the welfare of prisoners and staff . a legal challenge over staff. a legal challenge over prince harry's security arrangements will be held at the high court later for the duke of sussex was stripped of special protections that are normally afforded to royals when he decided to step back from his role 2020. instead he wants role in 2020. instead he wants to pay police officers for security services when he and his family visit the uk. security services when he and his family visit the uk . the his family visit the uk. the previous decade has been titled the hottest on record with polar and mountain ice melting at unprecedented rates . that's unprecedented rates. that's according to the united nations

climate agency. they say that antarctic ice sheets have lost nearly 75% more ice between 2011 and 2020 than it did ten years before. the hottest years of the decade were 2016 and 2020 . more decade were 2016 and 2020. more than 60 flood warnings are in place across england as heavy rain pushed out the snow . it rain pushed out the snow. it follows a night of subzero temperatures as ice across the north of scotland , where north of scotland, where temperatures dipped as low as minus ten overnight. and there's a further 182 flood alerts with people being urged to stay cautious as and shoppers appear to be sticking to plans for a budget christmas this year with spending down. that's despite a black friday. uk retail sales increased by 2.7% in november. that's a significant drop on last year's figures . the numbers last year's figures. the numbers aren't adjusted, though, for inflation, often masking a likely drop in the number of sales once higher prices are taken into account . that's the taken into account. that's the latest from gb news across the

uk. on your tv, in your car , uk. on your tv, in your car, digital radio and on your smart speaken digital radio and on your smart speaker. now it's back to andrew and . bev and.bev >> good morning. lots of emails and texts coming in and a lot of people picking up on the point. >> i made about the useless permanent secretary at the home office lost office saying they've lost 17,300 asylum where they are or they might have left , but i they might have left, but i doubt it. >> i'm being cherries have been optimistic. >> so david says 17,000 undocumented migrants roaming free is not a good position for any country to be in. >> a task force must be set up to find and deport this threat to find and deport this threat to the public. right now , gordon to the public. right now, gordon has was have has said, i was born and have lived country for 77 years. >> i've worked in engineering for asked for 50 years. but i asked myself, what was i now ask myself? what was it all for? >> you've probably a lovely >> you've probably got a lovely family. got family. you've probably got a lovely home. hopefully nice lovely home. hopefully a nice friends . friends. >> and you've you've helped build this country, gordon, into what but i know i think

what it is. but i know i think there's a lot of people that feel that. steve has said, feel like that. steve has said, i wife is my i am disabled and my wife is my carer. i were to have an carer. if i were to have an outside carer at the unsociable hours, which does hours, which she does without question, would question, the cost would be astronomical. is astronomical. absolutely. it is the i think it's a real stain on this country actually, that we have so many unpaid carers who are up time, giving up are giving up time, giving up time. they could be going to work and earning a wage to look after people that they love. >> unsung heroes of >> they're the unsung heroes of the really are. and the nhs. they really are. and benita been listening benita must have been listening to the to conversation we had with the human said, to conversation we had with the humydon't said, to conversation we had with the humydon't human said, to conversation we had with the humydon't human rights why don't these human rights lawyers these people? lawyers pay for these people? they're for? they they're fighting for? they seem to then if the owner is to stop. then if the owner is putting benita, you're putting them. benita, you're paying putting them. benita, you're pay legal aid putting them. benita, you're paylegal aid . on legal aid. >> of them are. you're >> a lot of them are. you're right. a lot of them are. >> legal bill is enormous. >> and terence said simple. >> and terence said it's simple. the goes on, the the longer this goes on, the more the more more it costs, the more essential services are overstretched. the overstretched. the more the uk becomes united becomes less of a united kingdom. the government are giving away and of giving the country away and of course, home secretary james cleverly is in today. he cleverly is in rwanda today. he is trying to do something about it. but i'm also always interested people interested in thinking of people at that

at home. do you feel that a labour government would do any better ? better? >> they'll do worse because they've no policy at all. they've got no policy at all. i mean, least rwanda is an mean, at least rwanda is an attempt at a deterrent. we're going go to downing street going to go to downing street because our political editor chris breaking . chris hope has some breaking. news today from the government out on these this law. >> they meant to try to work to bypass the court's objections to this rwanda plan. they are telling me in senior government sources that this treaty being signed at lunchtime today by james cleverly in kigali is a first step. but the government, the mps on the backbenches are not yet convinced. and i understand that later today, early evening, understand that later today, early evening , there'll be a early evening, there'll be a mass meeting of members of the european research group of tory mps. are the new conservative group of tory mps. often the tory into these tory party breaks into these different mps to try different cohorts of mps to try and work out what they want . and work out what they want. thatis and work out what they want. that is a really important meeting to work out how they're going to understand and accept meeting to work out how they're going to the ierstand and accept meeting to work out how they're going to the plans|d and accept meeting to work out how they're going to the plans to and accept meeting to work out how they're going to the plans to bring:cept meeting to work out how they're going to the plans to bring down whether the plans to bring down legal migration yesterday are acceptable and what the plan

might on the legal side of might be on on the legal side of it, the 23,000 a year who arrive over the southern border into the england. so the south coast of england. so we're a steady state of we're in a steady state of nothing happening quite yet. yet here in downing street, we're going hear more from the going to hear more from the government 1130 at government around 1130 at the briefing. i'll be there for that. back to you . that. but back to you. >> we're joined now by the former editor of the independent, chris blackhurst . independent, chris blackhurst. good morning, chris. from one, chris to the next. if you're there, chris, what what really just struck me then was christopher hope saying was christopher hope saying was christopher hope saying that james cleverly in rwanda is the first step. and i just want to go. are you kidding me? the first step this feels like that. we've been walking a marathon for years on this. how can this be the first step? chris it's the first step to get a new treaty sign . treaty sign. >> but it's, of course, just the beginning of what's going to be a long, drawn out process. >> and , you know , it'll go into

>> and, you know, it'll go into the commons, it'll go into the lord and it's going to drag on and on and on. >> chris i was at the conservativehome reception last night in westminster and i was talking about this earlier. i didn't find anyone who actually thought there was a prospect of a plane going to rwanda before may or june. and i'm may orjune. and i'm increasingly of the view that the election will be in the summer because of the small boats problem . boats problem. >> i think you're right. i don't see this getting through before the next election. >> and what's incredible about this really is that we're only deaung this really is that we're only dealing with such a small number of people. >> i mean , the actual overall >> i mean, the actual overall migration, the colossal and this is now costing a fortune. >> they're going through the station lawyers in in rwanda. >> i mean , british lawyers are >> i mean, british lawyers are going to now be based in rwanda. >> they're throwing so much money at this. and as well, you know , it's crazy. it's going to

know, it's crazy. it's going to take forever. >> should they throw in the towel, chris? is that the point or has the prime minister invested too much authority on it now ? well i think that's a it now? well i think that's a very good point. >> this prime minister, as we both know, he's somebody who likes to stab up his foot. >> and what's a phrase has the odd hissy fit? um, and which he did over the elgin marbles and things become a point of principle for rishi and he can't he can't be backed down. i mean i still cannot believe there isn't an easier solution than flying people all the way to rwanda. um that's what's getting the, the human rights lawyers going . i mean the, the human rights lawyers going. i mean , you the, the human rights lawyers going . i mean , you know, it just going. i mean, you know, it just seems extreme and, and i just can't believe there isn't an easier solution . chris i've easier solution. chris i've never seen all the options laid out. >> we were talking to a human

rights lawyer earlier, actually , rights lawyer earlier, actually, who was saying that he believes that they could solve this issue by having an online application system where you apply for asylum in the country in which you are currently residing and at that point, the government here can decide whether you are allowed over or you are not. and he said that would stop the boats overnight. thought boats overnight. but he thought that aren't doing that the government aren't doing that the government aren't doing that issue that because they use this issue to make political capital. and it's interests. we're it's in their interests. we're talking about the boat people as opposed to talking about the nhs or the education or the legal migration . but i think that's migration. but i think that's a bit of a stretch . do you? yeah bit of a stretch. do you? yeah >> um, no, no , i don't actually. >> um, no, no, i don't actually. i think that there is an element of that. i think the, the whole small boats issue has become so overblown and the numbers are actually small now , you could actually small now, you could argue that if we don't stop the small boats, numbers become small boats, the numbers become huge. but when you look at the legal migrate option, um, you know, 700,000, that's colossal . know, 700,000, that's colossal. and um , you know, if an online

and um, you know, if an online system works, i'm not sure. i mean, the idea of, i mean, what happens people sit in calais and fill in forms and then come across . i'm not sure how that across. i'm not sure how that works, but you could fill it in. >> you could fill it in from eritrea, you could fill it in from syria. well, you know, you could go to the embassy those could go to the embassy in those countries their tech countries and use their tech facility don't them. facility if you don't have them. there ways to this there are ways to make this happen and it should be dead easy in theory, although if you're if you're a genuine a genuine let's get this clear. >> if you're a genuine , um, >> if you're a genuine, um, legal asylum seeker, you're not someone who probably can go to embassies and fill in forms. i mean, in theory, your life's in danger countries and getting a dinghy like there is access to technology on your way. >> well , okay. >> well, okay. >> well, okay. >> but to actually present yourself as authorities and i don't know. i don't know . all i don't know. i don't know. all i know is i'm absolutely certain that there must be an easier way than this. and it's now costing i mean, the figure i've just

read, um, the government's put another £140 million into this. well you know, let's do the maths . that's well you know, let's do the maths. that's a hell of a lot per, per, per, per migrant. and we're only really talking about in the end it'll probably be a few hundred people . i mean it's few hundred people. i mean it's crazy. yeah >> chris just, we're coming up to whether the election is may orjune to whether the election is may or june or whenever. do you think migration, because we've had tory mps in the studio all week saying that it's the number one issue now on the doorstep , one issue now on the doorstep, do you think is or will it do you think it is or will it still of living still be the cost of living crisis and the economy ? crisis and the economy? >> well , all the people crisis and the economy? >> well, all the people i crisis and the economy? >> well , all the people i know >> well, all the people i know who are involved in private polling for the main parties , polling for the main parties, the number one issue in this country , traditionally and country, traditionally and probably still is, is the nhs , probably still is, is the nhs, is the nhs and the economy. it will play big. and look, there's towns , there's towns outside towns, there's towns outside london where i think my home town, which is barrow in furness

in cumbria, they've had a hotel in cumbria, they've had a hotel in the centre of the town that's been taken over by migrants and, and you know, all properly done, but it's caused a lot of resentment in the town. it is a big issue. um whether it's bigger than overall all than the nhs economy , cost of living. i nhs economy, cost of living. i very much doubt it. >> okay. that's chris. thank you chris. >> former editor of the independent. great to talk to you. still to come, we're going to be joined by the man tasked with trying save christmas. with trying to save christmas. >> it's not santa. with trying to save christmas. >> the it's not santa. with trying to save christmas. >> the conservative not santa. with trying to save christmas. >> the conservative mp santa. with trying to save christmas. >> the conservative mp forta. it's the conservative mp for lincoln. carl mccartney, home of the cancelled christmas market, because it was going to be too popular . yes, that's right. this popular. yes, that's right. this is britain's newsroom on .

isabel monday to thursday from six till 930 . six till 930. >> it's 1120 with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner. >> now if you watched yesterday, you would have seen the steam coming out of and andrew's coming out of mine and andrew's ears as we talked about the fact that one of uk's longest that one of the uk's longest running christmas has running christmas markets has been cancelled by the labour council. it was council. it's in lincoln. it was deemed risk . deemed a safety risk. >> well, we're delighted to say in with us is the in the studio with us is the conservative mp for lincoln, karl mccartney. steam been coming ever coming out of your ears ever since it? just take since they banned it? just take us what this idiot us through what this idiot council done. us through what this idiot couwell, done. us through what this idiot couwell, backone. us through what this idiot couwell, back ins. us through what this idiot couwell, back in february of >> well, back in february of this year, they announced without any previous, you know , without any previous, you know, even hinted they were

even hinted that they were thinking not running thinking of not running a christmas market. just christmas market. they just announced carte blanche that it was forever . not was it was ended forever. not just were going to take just that we were going to take a year out to reorganise and make because that's the make it safer because that's the shield that they seem to be hiding the local hiding behind. but the local police had police chief constable had a conversation was conversation with me and was happy send me an email saying conversation with me and was happhave;end me an email saying conversation with me and was happhave nod me an email saying conversation with me and was happhave no problemsmail saying conversation with me and was happhave no problemsmail the ng they have no problems with the christmas market run. an christmas market being run. an event can be managed event like that can be managed properly. that sort of number of people lincoln and people can come into lincoln and be looked after. be very safely looked after. >> they canseco because they >> they canseco is because they decided last year there were too many people there. it was a victim of success. victim of its own success. that's what they claim. >> but many of us think that's just a poor excuse a reason just a poor excuse for a reason for the christmas market. >> but were there problems last market. >> blwas re there problems last market. >> blwas it.there problems last year? was it. >> were a few. there were >> there were a few. there were a few problems with overcrowding, things overcrowding, but not things that were insurmountable. >> ambulances queued round >> ambulances queued up round the block. >> weren't people just >> there weren't people just felt uncomfortable and was felt uncomfortable and it was crowded on crowded at times. it even was on the thursday it the thursday night when it opened. and how the thursday night when it openethat and how the thursday night when it openethat good. and how many that good. >> what's wrong with that? well, we want to see ultimate. we want to see street ultimate. >> brought >> the christmas market brought lockwood into christmas. lockwood street into christmas. it people into it brought lots of people into into was great into lincoln. it was a great window beautiful city,

window on a beautiful city, which and which i have the honour and privilege counting. privilege of counting. >> how many police were there last many in previous >> not as many as in previous years. they're obviously professionals. >> you mean? >> and what do you mean? >> and what do you mean? >> well, i think the police have have training in crowd management control and management and control and i think the conversation i had with the chief constable and the police and crime commissioner, who both agree that a christmas market could safely take place in those numbers, market could safely take place inwould those numbers, market could safely take place in would manageable mbers, market could safely take place inwould manageable .|bers, market could safely take place inwould manageable . and, it would be manageable. and actually it previously has been . actually it previously has been. so numbers, so last year we're good numbers, 320,000 people visited lincoln , 320,000 people visited lincoln, but previously 320,000 over four days, maybe previously. there's been two years where we've had even more visitors than that. and there weren't the problems that the labour city council have put up that the reason why they've cancelled. have put up that the reason why the so; cancelled. have put up that the reason why the so that celled. have put up that the reason why the so that musti. have put up that the reason why the so that must be millions of >> so that must be millions of pounds lincoln, at pounds coming into lincoln, at least million not just least 15 million and not just yeah , not just lincoln city , yeah, not just lincoln city, that's also the county of lincolnshire because it was a window on lincoln. >> but also the gateway to lincolnshire. and all those lincolnshire. and so all those visitors for the visitors who came in for the christmas market what christmas market saw what a beautiful we have. it's an beautiful city we have. it's an ideal situation. you've a ideal situation. you've got a

beautiful cathedral perhaps said worth everybody else's worth to of everybody else's cathedrals. a beautiful, cathedrals. it is a beautiful, stunning, place right stunning, beautiful place right next to the castle. you've got castle square in between the castles. got one of four castles. got one of the four copies magna carta in copies of the magna carta in lincoln's. lots things lincoln's. got lots of things going it. and you can't pay lincoln's. got lots of things goithat it. and you can't pay lincoln's. got lots of things goithat sort and you can't pay lincoln's. got lots of things goi that sort of d you can't pay lincoln's. got lots of things goithat sort of advertising.3ay for that sort of advertising. >> reason the >> so what reason have the council given? they're just saying you saying we're just keeping you safe. that we're safe. that old trope that we're getting aren't getting very used to now, aren't it? to it? it's our responsibility to keep safe. going to keep you safe. we're going to decide . am i keep you safe. we're going to decide .am i right decide for you. am i right in thinking the mayor of the thinking that the mayor of the region is he called before being the city of the mayor of the city of lincoln, very traditional lincoln, the very traditional position. biff? position. so biff, who's biff? the what he go to? the market? what did he go to? any overseas? >> funny enough of the reasons we have the christmas market in lincoln. it celebrated its 40th year one of the first year last year. one of the first christmas markets in the country . have a twinning arrangement . we have a twinning arrangement with nordstadt in germany, which is where the of a christmas is where the idea of a christmas market it turns market came from. and it turns out voted out that actually, having voted last tuesday, once again to keep the christmas cancelled the christmas market cancelled as labour councillors as all the labour councillors did, bean is a labour did, and biff bean is a labour councillor then enjoyed councillor, so he then enjoyed the christmas market joie de

vivre if you like, over three nights at the weekend, the presumably the local ratepayer taxpayer paid his airfare on the. i don't think he paid for it, but i think i think there's a duality whereas when the noise starts you can go in in team come over christmas market but votes it exactly . votes to deny it exactly. >> what are the traders thinking karl because this is it must be a big blow for them man and a big blow for them to a man and woman happy many of those woman not happy many of those who shops, etcetera, do who have shops, etcetera, do very in that first week in december. >> but they also take stalls. the city council charge people up to four, 4500 pounds for a stall over those four days because those stalls do make a lot of money with that amount of footfall. you can't fail to unless bad at unless you're really bad at selling make revenue . selling things to make revenue. well, but the but those well, indeed. but the but those those stall holders as i say, were also business owners in lincoln. lots of other charities also had stalls. >> can i just i'm sorry to interrupt you because i could talk you all day about this, talk to you all day about this, but in thinking these but am i right in thinking these councillors just can't be bothered? affect the bothered? does this affect the revenue they get? does this affect their they just

affect their job? if they just thought i'd quite like a quiet christmas, bothered christmas, i can't be bothered with dealing with this. >> i believe >> some might say that i believe so. their allowances don't so. their their allowances don't get at all. senior get affected at all. the senior officers at the city council, i'm they won't taking i'm sure they won't be taking a pay i'm sure they won't be taking a pay cut through not having a christmas or their christmas market or their pensions affected. but pensions won't be affected. but actually businesses who actually all the businesses who pay actually all the businesses who pay business rates, all the council payers lincoln council tax payers in lincoln who council tax who pay their council tax will not the benefit and the not have the benefit and the enjoyment of christmas market. enjoyment of a christmas market. at my reason at this point. my my reason for sitting here now and with the media campaign that i'm running along with many other people is to the christmas market to bring the christmas market back year, for december back for next year, for december 2024, because actually 2024, because they've actually said good. yeah. said it's banned for good. yeah. and i've had communication from those who are in very senior positions who basically said the labour council ought labour council said you ought to do the next 4 to do nothing in the next 4 to 5 years, that in any way promotes or permits a christmas or allows or permits a christmas market to take place. >> we've got we've got to read a statement and we'll get you to respond to it. karl this is from councillor rick metcalfe. you all know him. he's the leader of the lincoln council, the city of lincoln council, labour said, labour of course, he said, we understand people's

understand some people's disappointment. no more. the christmas market is no more. the decision nine decision was announced nine months the we could decision was announced nine morcontinue the we could decision was announced nine morcontinue delivering we could decision was announced nine morcontinue delivering anre could decision was announced nine morcontinue delivering an event.d not continue delivering an event that had been deemed a significant risk to public safety. >> he goes on to say, lincoln at christmas remains a stunning place to visit with lights all across the city centre. new across the city centre. our new ice trail and traditional festivities place this festivities taking place this weekend. he not telling weekend. what's he not telling us there, karl? you're not telling us the truth, is he? >> they just took the easy option. easier not do option. it's easier not to do something to something. something than to do something. and is, is actually and my view is, is actually those people who pay their taxes in lincoln have enjoyed a christmas no christmas market. there is no reason i understand you reason and yes, i understand you can safety issues as a as a can use safety issues as a as a shield, if you like, for your decision, but actually anything can be mitigated . everything can can be mitigated. everything can be for and things can be be planned for and things can be done would make it safer environment. >> go and have a have a wristband. so you go on the thursday, you go on the friday. >> just no way there >> there's just no way there are those options. >> but the local people, they they were an out last week. >> the labour councillors they said definitely a said not to have definitely a christmas just have christmas just to have a conversation those conversation about all those different you say,

different options. as you say, ticketed actually ticketed areas maybe actually have it over a longer period of time, maybe two weekends rather than those different time, maybe two weekends rather than you those different time, maybe two weekends rather than you could se different time, maybe two weekends rather than you could do,iifferent time, maybe two weekends rather than you could do,iiffe|they things you could do, but they just carte blanche do not want to engage. to even engage. >> it's covid conversation. well, right , who love well, it's kids, right, who love a christmas market. this is the memories they're making. it's the who may not have the elderly who may not have that christmases ahead that many more christmases ahead of to go and have of them and want to go and have a the a mulled wine with the grandchildren in square. grandchildren in the square. >> is also going to drive >> this is also going to drive local to other towns. local people to other towns. >> well, yeah, there's of >> well, yeah, there's lots of other colleagues in other towns. my colleagues in doncaster said they'd be doncaster who said they'd be trying to have a christmas market years . market in doncaster for years. obviously you've york not obviously you've got york not too manchester, too far away, leeds, manchester, nottingham, everywhere would too far away, leeds, manchester, nottto;ham, everywhere would too far away, leeds, manchester, nottto;ham,whatywhere would too far away, leeds, manchester, nottto;ham,what lincoln would too far away, leeds, manchester, nottto;ham,what lincoln had ld like to have what lincoln had and lincoln decided to and lincoln just decided to throw away the throw that all away or the labour councillors you labour city councillors did you know everybody in lincoln loves christmas? seems that christmas? it just seems that the city councillors are the labour city councillors are they, they playing they, are they also playing politics moment, do politics a bit at the moment, do you think? >> karl could it be that the labour councillors are going, you know what, let's just make everyone just hate this country, it's going to be miserable. it's just going to be miserable. i'm going to have a rubbish christmas comes to christmas then when it comes to the next they're the election next year, they're all right, we're all going to think, right, we're going for because

going to vote for labour because look miserable our tory run look how miserable our tory run country but i'm country is potentially, but i'm not them do that. not going to let them do that. >> i'm proud of >> i'm a proud member of parliament lincoln. i love parliament for lincoln. i love the very like the city. it's very like chester, of my chester, where i did a lot of my growing i see my job as growing up and i see my job as the member parliament and the member of parliament and actually members actually most members of parliament same. parliament should do the same. is city. the is to promote the city. the area, the constituency that you represent. best to represent. so i do my best to bang drum for lincoln. but bang the drum for lincoln. but the labour city council has decided off. decided to cut my legs off. >> in thinking your >> am i right in thinking your area relies lot of fruit area relies on a lot of fruit picking immigration picking a lot of immigration as well? lincolnshire does as a county. >> e"- em- s not so much, but we >> lincoln not so much, but we do have quite a lot of transient population. we proud population. we have a proud history people history with polish people who came during second history with polish people who came war,during second history with polish people who came war, obviously second history with polish people who came war, obviously knownj history with polish people who came war, obviously known as world war, obviously known as bomber lincolnshire, have bomber county lincolnshire, have been association with been a proud association with the raf and i have one of the largest bases in my constituency , raf waddington. so are you supporting rwanda ? definitely supporting rwanda? definitely been supporting it for a long time and yes , the lawyers have time and yes, the lawyers have done very well out of it. so far, haven't they? >> we had a bit of a bit of a dust up with the human rights lawyer earlier said, hang on, mate, lot, you're

mate, you you lot, you're industry the problem. industry is part of the problem. do really think do you really think realistically, karl, realistically, though, karl, that plane that there's going to be a plane up the the next six up in the air in the next six months rwanda? months to rwanda? >> hope so. and >> i certainly hope so. and i believe from the very top of our party that we all believe from the very top of our party so. that we all believe from the very top of our party so. but that we all believe from the very top of our party so. but if that we all believe from the very top of our party so. but if theret we all believe from the very top of our party so. but if there isn't,|ll hope so. but if there isn't, we'll know why. the reason there isn't. that's because the isn't. and that's because the conservative isn't. and that's because the consetried/e isn't. and that's because the consetried everything they can. have tried everything they can. and includes we make and that includes we make the laws we a laws in parliament. we are a sovereign nation now. yes, following is now following brexit, which is now six, seven ago, and if six, seven years ago, and if we're not allowed to, that's because the lawyers and the labour party either in the house of commons or the house of lords will have done everything they can stop it. they haven't can to stop it. they haven't voted for any of our measures so far conservative party far and the conservative party and not giving on it and we're not giving up on it because it's something that we know constituents want to know our constituents want to see happen. >> and cooper and the >> and yvette cooper and the comments yesterday, the shadow home huffed home secretary, she huffed and puffed about james cleverly's announcement, puffed about james cleverly's annotbut ment, puffed about james cleverly's annotbut she t, puffed about james cleverly's annotbut she didn't say labour plan, but she didn't say labour will vote against it. and she also didn't what labour also didn't say what labour would what do with >> i said what they'll do with anything they know anything really. have they know on big decision they to on any big decision they seem to dither to see dither and just waiting to see which they'll they'll come. which way they'll they'll come. there's it's a fence that's

there's very it's a fence that's very strong moment very strong at the moment because of labour because an awful lot of labour politicians sitting it. politicians are sitting on it. you've a you've a you've got a lot you've got a big though, with the prime big issue though, with the prime minister's popularity on a personal minister's popularity on a per heal minister's popularity on a per he does cut through with minister's popularity on a per public.; cut through with minister's popularity on a per public. theycut through with minister's popularity on a per public. they do through with minister's popularity on a per public. they do notyugh with minister's popularity on a per public. they do not think/ith minister's popularity on a per pub represents) not think/ith minister's popularity on a per pub represents them. hink/ith minister's popularity on a per pub represents them. yeahith that he represents them. yeah >> yes, i'm on a 1922 executive, so we have conversations with the are the prime minister that are heart heart to face. heart to heart and face to face. >> does he take it? when you >> how does he take it? when you say like you? say the people don't like you? >> supportive. >> we're all very supportive. obviously we've got a general election in next election coming in the next yeah election coming in the next year. does know? year. does he know? >> know? >> like does he know? >> like does he know? >> think he feels it. you >> no, i think he feels it. you know, he doesn't have to do the job. he wanted to do the job. and doing job to the job. he wanted to do the job. and of doing job to the job. he wanted to do the job. and of his)ing job to the job. he wanted to do the job. and of his ability. job to the job. he wanted to do the job. and of his ability. and to the job. he wanted to do the job. and of his ability. and yes,|e job. he wanted to do the job. and of his ability. and yes, he best of his ability. and yes, he wants better. no, i think wants to be better. no, i think they think be they will. i think you'll be pleasantly surprised in the media, pleasantly surprised in the me oh, let me ask you, if you're >> oh, let me ask you, if you're in the 1922 executive, we know it's but do you it's a top secret, but do you even a hint of how many even have a hint of how many letters do demanding vote of letters do demanding a vote of no in the prime no confidence in the prime minister been submitted? minister have been submitted? i'm officer. minister have been submitted? i'm i'm officer. minister have been submitted? i'm i'm just )fficeh minister have been submitted? i'm i'm just aziceh minister have been submitted? i'm i'm just a member of >> i'm just a member of the executive sir executive and the chairman, sir graham it very close. >> seemingly discreet, isn't he? close. >> hezmingly discreet, isn't he? close. >> he is. ngly discreet, isn't he? close. >> he is. and discreet, isn't he? close. >> he is. and very,eet, isn't he? close. >> he is. and very, very sn't he? close. >> he is. and very, very well.e? >> he is. and very, very well. well versed. and he's done it for quite years now. for quite a few years now. i

don't don't think the don't think i don't think the fellow know. right. fellow officers know. right. which five, i think, sir which is five, i think, sir graham keeps it very to graham keeps it very close to his a safe his his chest. he has a safe in his office that's they go. office and that's where they go. >> bev doesn't agree, but i think how big that think i don't know how big that safe is, but i think if tory mps triggered another leadership contest before the election, they'd be complete they'd be madness. be complete madness. let's say he's the leader. >> we? week no longera >> are we? a week is no longer a long politics. it's an long time in politics. it's an aeon. it's not even 24 aeon. you know, it's not even 24 hours with the news as hours now with the news cycle as it you know, an hour can it is. so, you know, an hour can be a long time in politics at the moment. >> he's still there, you >> if he's still there, you might it off. might as well write it all off. however no, council however for if no, the council in lincoln is anything to go by. that's a glimpse future that's a glimpse of our future where everything is, where there's in the world, there's no joy in the world, where shut down where everything gets shut down for own good, for your for for your own good, for your for your for your own good, for your for youthey know best. for your own good, for your for youthey know b> they do. i'm a happy and positive member parliament positive member of parliament for lovely, for lincoln. it's a lovely, great the most great city, probably the most well loved city. >> if you want us >> if you want. if you want us to get involved with a campaign to get involved with a campaign to bring back christmas to bring back the christmas market right market next year, we are right there your side. there by your side. >> today. you've helped by >> today. you've helped us by having and the having me here today and the people of lincoln. >> your good side with >> we are on your good side with the campaign because it's an

outrage. >> labour camps, if you're listening outrage. listening and flipping outrage. and invite labour and we did invite labour councillors and they and we did invite labour coun thanks so much. okay moving on vote rebellion. on now. blood vote rebellion. sunak has suffered his first commons defeat a tory revolt commons defeat in a tory revolt over infected blood payouts. one of the tory rebels will join us very shortly. it's a really interesting story. this i didn't know a huge amount about, but you're across that, aren't you? andrew >> very important right now. >> very important right now. >> forget our headlines now with sam . andrew thank you. sam. andrew thank you. >> good morning. it's just gone 1132. the headlines this hour . 1132. the headlines this hour. gb news understands that new legislation that could enable migrants to be sent to rwanda for processing will not be published today. for processing will not be published today . the home published today. the home secretary is in rwanda today working on a new agreement. but senior government sources say that the new treaty being signed in kigali is just a first step. it's hoped the new agreement, along with emergency legislation

here in the uk, will address the issues that led to the supreme court ruling against the government's plan november. government's plan in november. meanwhile, the backlog of asylum cases in the uk fell by nearly half in november, as the government works to clear older cases by the end of the year. the prime minister has promised to work through all outstanding legacy cases. that's application ones that are waiting for a decision. since june last year , decision. since june last year, tory mps voted against the government. last night in favour of speeding up compensation for victims of the blood scandal . 22 victims of the blood scandal. 22 conservatives backed the labour led amendment to set up a body to operate the compensation scheme. it was the prime minister's first defeat in the commons . around 30,000 people commons. around 30,000 people were given contaminated blood in the 1970s and 80s. since then, 3000 have died . thames water has 3000 have died. thames water has warned that it's in severe financial distress and a turnaround will take time. the troubled water company's profits dropped by 54% in the six months to september as its debts

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nights from. six 1138 with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner. >> so we are joined back in the studio now by political commentator tony buxton, and gb news is senior political commentator nigel nelson . all commentator nigel nelson. all right, start with boris at right, let's start with boris at the covid inquiry. oh nigel, you go first. well, my blood pressure rises . pressure rises. >> well, we've got him wednesday and thursday , so it'll be and thursday, so it'll be interesting to see what he comes up with. it'll be. will it be nice if he made an apology? he won't . i nice if he made an apology? he won't. i think he will. i think he will. i think he will. >> he'll apologise for all the wrong things. like everybody does. >> and on the serious front, the suggestion that he suggestion seems to be that he will argue he was following the science the through to science all the way through to and science in the early and the science in the early days was herd immunity rather than lockdown . yeah. so when than lockdown. yeah. so when matt hancock said last week we should have locked down three

weeks earlier, i think matt hancock was right. by the way, we should have locked down three weeks earlier. boris will say, well , i was weeks earlier. boris will say, well, i was being told by the scientists that herd immunity is the best bet lock down should be a last resort . and only when we a last resort. and only when we think the public will actually go along with it. there was a fear at the time that people would simply ignore it. yeah, i do remember patrick vallance on the radio talking about it. herd immunity at science advisor . immunity at science advisor. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> the chief scientific adviser talking herd immunity. i'm talking about herd immunity. i'm basically wasn't sure. i mean, none of us knew what we were deaung none of us knew what we were dealing with. >> apocalyptic prediction. we went to herd immunity. it would, it lead to 500,000 lives. lives >> e- e the lies false >> that was the lies false modelling as always when it modelling like as always when it comes from that team. right. so it's lies and it's false modelling. some modelling. they had some brilliant they brilliant scientists that they could have listened like could have listened to, like sunha and could have listened to, like sunita and great sunita gupta and the great barrington scientists could have. could got out of have. we could have got out of this. our country would not be in it's now. if we in the mess it's in now. if we had listened to them and what's really making my blood boil it's

uncontrollable is that the questions that are being asked at the covid inquiry are rubbish . they're rubbish. stupid questions. skirting about the fact that the point is, is we should never have locked down. we what sunita should never have locked down. we said what sunita should never have locked down. we said and what sunita should never have locked down. we said and actually1at sunita should never have locked down. we said and actually targeteda gupta said and actually targeted the vulnerable. because let me tell the vaccine tell you, the even the vaccine wasn't about stopping people getting catching the virus. so locking people down is to stop people catching the virus. even the vaccine doesn't that . the vaccine doesn't do that. what have to do is protect what you have to do is protect the everybody the vulnerable and let everybody else their lives. else get on with their lives. >> you think about the timeline that we're talking about, the early actually early stages before we actually knew were dealing with. early stages before we actually knewe've were dealing with. early stages before we actually knewe've had were dealing with. early stages before we actually knewe've had decadesaling with. early stages before we actually knewe've had decades of1g with. early stages before we actually knewe've had decades of pandemic >> we've had decades of pandemic responses, and that's exactly what do. and they completely turned it over and locked people in because that's what decades and i know i get in trouble when i say this, but decades and hundreds years of pandemic , hundreds of years of pandemic, yes, the same yes, we have the same mitigations in place at the first stages as we did during the black death. they knew very, very early on. that's why the scientists were saying this initially on television. they said herd

said we're going to have herd immunity. going immunity. you're going to have like symptoms for like just flu like symptoms for most people, most people. and a few people, unfortunately, will like unfortunately, will die like they year of flu and they do every year of flu and things that. this one, things like that. this this one, luckily , in my opinion, unlike luckily, in my opinion, unlike things like swine flu, luckily it hits the old and the vulnerable. well, not the end of life. >> even the old shouldn't die because if it was young children, then i would understand what this done. understand what this was done. >> to hurt >> if it was going to hurt teenagers young the teenagers and young people, the people hurt people that have been most hurt by lockdown, i would by this lockdown, i would understand your end of understand it. if your end of life month early life and you die a month early or early, the or six months early, the modelling tonya you were talking about earlier in rubbish ring modelling not prediction modelling is not a prediction of what happen . you can do what will happen. you can do what will happen. you can do what you like with modelling. >> modelling is a warning of what and that was what might happen and that was the with anything the situation with anything else that had modelled oxford i >> -- >> no. -- >> and also you have to ask who is incentivising those models to come with? that come up with? how is that department being funded ? for department being funded? for instance, ferguson , instance, in the neil ferguson, you know, are there conflicts of interest here? that's what interest here? and that's what i would covid inquiry to would like. the covid inquiry to talk about. and also partly be you partly to do with you know, it's partly to do with with you it's partly the

with you and you it's partly the media. it was the newspapers as well . and interestingly, stanley well. and interestingly, stanley johnson, when he was on last week when we said about boris and the decisions he was having to make, he said, look, it was the pressure from press, the pressure from the press, from media to because from the media to because everybody was talking about how many people are going to die. and it. so newspapers , you and i get it. so newspapers, you know, channels, except gb know, tv channels, except gb news tv channels , daytime tv news tv channels, daytime tv channels had higher viewing figures than they could ever have possibly imagined. so it was in their interest to keep the fear going . keep the fear the fear going. keep the fear going. you know, i'm thinking particularly if of the particularly if some of the morning shows on this morning shows not on this channel, fear channel, who kept that fear alive with a ticking number of people who died. alive with a ticking number of peoso�* who died. alive with a ticking number of peoso theo died. alive with a ticking number of peoso the politicians responded >> so the politicians responded to that pressure on on the media front. >> we didn't know what we were deaung >> we didn't know what we were dealing with either. suddenly i was confronted with something that way out of my experience, i found myself spending ing nearly two years talking to scientists rather than politicians , and i rather than politicians, and i had to learn along the way much

as much as the government did . as much as the government did. and even when it came to the vaccines, we were suddenly presented with this incredible responsibility. what if those vaccines were going to damage children ? what if they were children? what if they were going to kill adults ? do you going to kill adults? do you issue that warning? and if you do issue that yes, you do issue that warning, yes, you do. yes, do. on. if you do. yes, you do. hang on. if you do. yes, you do. hang on. if you do issue warning that do issue that warning at that time, were having time, while people were having their jabs, it would mean their jabs, what it would mean is that were taking is that that you were taking responsibility people not responsibility for people not having their jab. no. >> having theirjab. no. >> you would have had informed you would have informed, wasn't informed, we had our human informed. we had our human rights completely obliterated. we informed consent . we had no informed consent. listen, i am a fit. you could have refused. >> you could refuse to have the vaccine unless you just know . vaccine unless you just know. >> nightclub could not do that. you unless you couldn't go anywhere unless you couldn't travel. my parents are sick. you had you had to are sick. you had to. you had to do things. do all these things. >> there is a consequence >> yes, there is a consequence for but are. you for refusing. but you are. you are thrown out of the window. >> morality as a nation was >> our morality as a nation was thrown the window because thrown out of the window because you could have refused have conformed. you could not. people were it were losing jobs. listen, if it wasn't the together

wasn't for the together declaration, nhs staff would declaration, the nhs staff would have lost their jobs because they didn't want to get vaccinated. the staff lost their jobs because they didn't want to get vaccinated . and we know that get vaccinated. and we know that this this particular medication only you from dying only stops you from dying terribly. it doesn't stop you from catching. >> the point i'm making is so imagine situation where i'm imagine a situation where i'm talking all those people, the talking to all those people, the people talking people that you're talking about. do you speak gupta >> who do you speak to? gupta or carl heneghan or doctor? >> i know i did talk to her once, anyway , regardless of once, but anyway, regardless of the talking to those the names, talking to those people are the people who are saying the vaccine dangerous and vaccine was dangerous and talking to the scientists who said wasn't, often at the said it wasn't, and often at the end the day, had to make end of the day, you had to make a responsible decision. and i went on the side of the went down on the side of the ones who i thought were most sensible, and that was the scientist who was saying the vaccine not dangerous and vaccine was not dangerous and was essential. was absolutely essential. >> just say >> and nigel, can i just say that gone that that you've gone down that line and still incredibly and you're still incredibly wrong. so shows you the wrong. so it just shows you the brainwashing of the media because you still believe that lockdowns work. and we know that you follow a narrative that

issues . issues. >> let's be honest, because he comes to the left incredibly wrong . wrong. >> he's a very nice man. that's all he's wrong on most things. >> i mean, i don't you and i ever agree on anything. >> i mean, i don't you and i eveand'ee on anything. >> i mean, i don't you and i eveand'ee onone thing. >> i mean, i don't you and i eveand'ee onone of ng. >> i mean, i don't you and i eveand'ee onone of the things >> and also, one of the things that's at moment is that's going on at the moment is andrew is talking about andrew bridgen is talking about the vaccine harms. he's the mp, the vaccine harms. he's the mp, the talking about the mp. he's talking about vaccine a selection vaccine harms with a selection of brilliant doctors. vaccine harms with a selection of are brilliant doctors. vaccine harms with a selection of are the 'illiant doctors. vaccine harms with a selection of are the only|t doctors. vaccine harms with a selection of are the only channel;. vaccine harms with a selection of are the only channel here and we are the only channel here talking be talking about it. this should be in have the vaccines in the media, have the vaccines hun? in the media, have the vaccines hurt? are they causing hurt? people are they causing the excess deaths that we've got in this country at the moment? this debate that should be this is a debate that should be on news channel in on every single news channel in the front every the front of every single newspaper. so this was unfortunately, it is not. >> was a debate that >> so this was a debate that happened night because this happened last night because this is our actually, this is on our list. actually, this was last night. was in parliament last night. andrew together was in parliament last night. andreiof together was in parliament last night. andreiof the together was in parliament last night. andreiof the main together was in parliament last night. andreiof the main protagonists, group of the main protagonists, and you i have and i know you say and i have had thrown at me for three had it thrown at me for three years, but you years, people say, oh, but you pull out of the hat. pull these names out of the hat. well, these are the names of the people had an alternative people who had an alternative opinion. i've opinion. and that is all i've ever wanted an open debate on ever wanted is an open debate on this that's literally this issue. that's literally all i wanted. andrew i ever wanted. and andrew bridgen night, bridgen got together last night, a people, including a group of people, including robert dalgleish, robert malone, angus dalgleish, pierre kirsch.

robert malone, angus dalgleish, pierre will kirsch. robert malone, angus dalgleish, pierre will be kirsch. robert malone, angus dalgleish, pierre will be peopleiirsch. robert malone, angus dalgleish, pierre will be peopleiirsthis there will be people in this audience watching who have no idea are and there'll idea who they are and there'll be people who these idea who they are and there'll be going)eople who these idea who they are and there'll be going to ple who these idea who they are and there'll be going to be who these idea who they are and there'll be going to be the) these idea who they are and there'll be going to be the heroes|ese idea who they are and there'll be going to be the heroes ofe are going to be the heroes of history been history because they've been raising informed raising alarm bells for informed consent balance for the last consent and balance for the last three years. why does it take somebody bridgen somebody like andrew bridgen now, nigel, a man who now, even now, nigel, a man who has also been discredited and is no longer a member of the conservative party his conservative party for his position to bring these sorts of people have this people together, to have this debate, the lack debate, because it's the lack of free bothers it free speech which bothers me. it keeps at night. well keeps me awake at night. well i mean, bridgen is mean, andrew bridgen is perfectly to bring perfectly entitled to bring these together. these people together. >> a friend of mine . >> andrew is a friend of mine. this an obsession of this has become an obsession of his i would obsession sounds a little derogatory. >> how about it's become an area that he's researched intensely ? okay. >> well, i've talked to andrew bridgen about this in quite some detail because i'm trying to get to the bottom of where he's actually going with and actually going with it. and the point , let's just point here is, let's just suppose andrew's right and the vaccines were doing huge harm. the question that i can't get get to the bottom of is, do we think the government made some

kind of terrible mistake like or do we think there was some kind of conspiracy going on? and what comes out of the kind of people that andrew collects around him is it seems like it's the idea it was a conspiracy kc i was. i'd be prepared with the evidence in front of me . evidence in front of me. >> i have i have a massive problem with that word because i think all that when it is a convergence of benefit for multiple people and that might be benefit, might multiple people and that might be reputationaliefit, might multiple people and that might be reputational benefitmight multiple people and that might be reputational benefit thatt multiple people and that might be reputational benefit that is getting written off as a conspiracy , where it actually conspiracy, where it actually might have there might just have been that there was be made. tanya was to money be made. tanya absolutely. there was fame to absolutely. or there was fame to be had there control be had or there was control to be had or there was control to be we to understand why >> we do need to understand why we've got rid of that be criminal. >> that would be criminal if that happening, that was happening, which is kind some of us have kind of what some of us have been saying. >> but but nigel, i do believe it criminal. the it was criminal. that's the point. that's it has to be debated. >> but guys believe the >> but you guys believe the vaccine damage. and i'm vaccine causes damage. and i'm saying vaccine caused vaccine causes damage. and i'm saymore vaccine caused vaccine causes damage. and i'm saymore veinine caused vaccine causes damage. and i'm saymore veinine celessl no more damage, in fact, less damage than most other vaccines that we've given . that we've been given. >> but this is not a traditional

vaccine. you do understand that this is a novel vaccine that people know people don't didn't even know about, informed about, but we were not informed as to our rights to as to that our human rights to have informed knowledge about what our body what we're putting into our body was us. and that is was not given to us. and that is thatis was not given to us. and that is that is something that hasn't happened world happened since the second world war. insane that war. i mean, it's insane that they continue, but that was exactly the problem. exactly what was the problem. i'm we were faced i'm talking about. we were faced with told, why with earlier on being told, why do breakfast do these breakfast, breakfast television programs some television programs that some of us vaccine is us were saying this vaccine is 100% 100% won't 100% effective, it's 100% won't harm you. it's100% stop you from getting or transmitting the vaccine. these people vaccine. why have these people not and not been taken to task? and ofcom fined them and warn them? the way that we were told off constantly. if mentioned or constantly. if we mentioned or tried debate about tried to have a debate about them why has that not happened? them, why has that not happened? >> have to move on. >> we do have to move on. passionate is, because passionate as it is, because we do talk about tories do have to talk about the tories suffering biggest suffering their biggest commons defeat the defeat last night in the commons. now an commons. now this is an incredibly important story, nigel. scandal of nigel. this is the scandal of infected blood that people who may be the haemophiliacs had a blood some this may be the haemophiliacs had a blood had some this may be the haemophiliacs had a blood had been some this may be the haemophiliacs had a blood had been bought; this may be the haemophiliacs had a blood had been bought in this may be the haemophiliacs had a blood had been bought in cheap from australian prisons . yes. from australian prisons. yes. >> and prisons and >> and american prisons and american prisons. >> people are dying at the rate

of one a week, 30,000 people still waiting for compensation and the tories compensation is urgent . urgent. and so last urgent. urgent. and so last night the government was defeated by a rebellion of backbench tory mps because the suggestion was let's not get into the mechanics of what the amendment tories amendment was, but the tories seemed dragging their seemed to be dragging their feet. that's right, getting the compensation. the great feet. that's right, getting the compyaboutyn. the great feet. that's right, getting the compyabout about the great feet. that's right, getting the compyabout about result'eat thing about about the result of this vote is that it shows that mps can the thing by mps can do the right thing by voting with their conscience. >> yeah, and it was his first defeat as prime minister and the first whipped vote defeat, i think since the general election in 2019. >> yeah, it's a scandal that the infected blood and the compensation bill will be around 20 billion, probably the biggest eveh 20 billion, probably the biggest ever, as it should be. >> yeah , because, you know, >> yeah, because, you know, we're hearing case after case, isn't people are dying still isn't it? people are dying still today, every day from this before get their before they get their compensation, even compensation, before they even get compensation. get their compensation. the children was children have died. i was reading young child reading a story of a young child who died at four years old who who died at four years old because he was given a blood transfusion. he died the weight of old baby. can you

of a ten month old baby. can you imagine being the parent of that? then was rishi that? and then what was rishi thinking? he thinking thinking? what was he thinking by not passing this through and doing thing, makes doing the right thing, it makes me doubt his moral judgement. >> i suspect it was. mean , i >> i suspect it was. i mean, i don't quite why the tories don't know quite why the tories got into don't know got themselves into i don't know why have die on that why they would have die on that hill. seemed it was hill. that seemed to be it was only delaying it for only going to be delaying it for about months. about 3 or 4 months. >> what was >> that's right. and what was ridiculous about it was that the tory whips knew that there was a big head of steam coming up, that awful tourists that an awful lot of tourists had signed, signed the amendment , which which in fact was the one that was passed last night. so they knew it was so they knew they knew it was coming. the simple thing is why do you actually hold the line ? do you actually hold the line? why not say, look, the compassionate , the right thing compassionate, the right thing to do? this and this is what to do? is this and this is what the key must be. >> do the tories >> now, nigel, do the tories think government say, right, think the government say, right, okay, we've the comments. think the government say, right, okawilla've the comments. think the government say, right, okawill carry the comments. think the government say, right, okawill carry on the comments. think the government say, right, okawill carry on with comments. we will carry on with the compensation payment sooner rather later. they rather than later. or do they try and reverse it? >> they reverse. >> no, they can't reverse. i mean parliament's decided mean this parliament's decided therefore it go ahead. therefore it will go ahead. >> yeah. therefore it will go ahead. >> and|. therefore it will go ahead. >> and that's quite right. >> and that's quite right. >> which is right. which what >> which is right. which is what parliament for. yeah

parliament should be for. yeah >> finish on a slightly >> shall we finish on a slightly lighter note? do we to talk lighter note? do we want to talk about wearing no about pamela anderson wearing no makeup christmas? i'm makeup or christmas? i'm not doing it's too doing christmas jokes. it's too early christmas jokes. i'm early for christmas jokes. i'm sorry. doing that funny. sorry. i'm not doing that funny. anyway, talk pamela anyway, let's talk about pamela anderson you have no anderson. so you will have no pamela anderson. lady on pamela anderson. i met a lady on big and baywatch, right? big boobs and baywatch, right? that's what she's famous for. big boobs and baywatch, right? thattonya,: she's famous for. big boobs and baywatch, right? thattonya, she's; famous for. big boobs and baywatch, right? thattonya, she's making for. big boobs and baywatch, right? thattonya, she's making this and tonya, she's making this radical decision. and it shouldn't to radical shouldn't be to radical go makeup free everywhere. >> she's kind of >> well, i think she's kind of trying say this whole trying to kind of say this whole thing because she's she's actually facial actually got great facial structure and she's very pretty and go without me. and she wants to go without me. and that's fine. >> andrew. and that's fine. >> fine.ew. and that's fine. >> fine. but i don't answer the door without sunglasses and lipstick on, so don't lipstick on, so i don't understand what no, gosh, no understand what oh, no, gosh, no , “0, understand what oh, no, gosh, no , no, no, no, i don't mean , no, no, no, no. i don't mean to be a woman. she should do what she likes. but i think this is kind of conversations we is the kind of conversations we stay of. stay out of. >> 56. stay out of. » se. it. >> she's a year older than me . >> she's a year older than me. and so she's i admire her, but i don't understand the point she's making. i don't understand. i try look my best. try to always look my best. i always to put a little bit always try to put a little bit “ppyi always try to put a little bit lippy, bit of blush lippy, a little bit of blush on what's point? she's making.

what's the point? she's making. i think that she's struggling with was seen i think that she's struggling witthe was seen i think that she's struggling witthe baywatch was seen i think that she's struggling witthe baywatch girl. was seen i think that she's struggling witthe baywatch girl. big; seen i think that she's struggling witthe baywatch girl. big boobs, as the baywatch girl. big boobs, red rather surgically red kwasi, and rather surgically enhanced enhanced enhanced to and enhanced whatever. trying whatever. so she's trying to make argument whatever. so she's trying to make not argument whatever. so she's trying to make not makeup, ent whatever. so she's trying to make not makeup, which about not wearing makeup, which i is fair. so i'm i don't think is fair. so i'm not sure i agree with her. >> i like seeing what >> i quite like seeing what a normal 56 year old woman with no makeup on looks like she normal. >> had a bit of >> has she not had a bit of help? >> don't think facially, >> no, i don't think facially, no. maybe she might have had a little again, but but little bit. but again, but but but help, i mean, you but even with help, i mean, you know, tanya, she know, like you say, tanya, she looks beautiful. i wouldn't i wouldn't. wouldn't be on a red wouldn't. i wouldn't be on a red carpet with no makeup like that. i admire her bravery. >> well, i it's not >> well, i mean, it's not a question. no, the trouble question. well, no, the trouble is, always trouble if is, i always get into trouble if you making about you start making comments about this. i mean, ijust like you start making comments about this. i mean, i just like the idea woman go out idea that a woman can go out with as little makeup or no makeup pamela makeup as possible as pamela anderson does be careful. >> watching . just be >> your wife watching. just be very careful. >> i will be get it in >> i will be i will get it in the when back. the neck when i get back. >> but i also i think for >> but i think also i think for our teenage daughters to see a woman looking that natural and bare but they look at it bare faced, but they look at it and say, i don't want that, but

i won't be doing it any time soon. right >> thank you so much. you look a lot better. oh, rounds lot better. oh, pam rounds are much better. >> nigel nelson, sonya buxton, thank you so much as always. that it from britain's that is it from britain's newsroom for today. next, newsroom for today. up next, good tom good afternoon, britain with tom and see you and emily. we will see you tomorrow . see then. tomorrow. see you then. >> worry , bev and andrew. >> don't worry, bev and andrew. >> don't worry, bev and andrew. >> we've got our war paint on this afternoon. >> wouldn't go anywhere without a face of makeup. a full face of makeup. >> certainly but we'll be >> certainly not. but we'll be watching. james cleverly in rwanda with a keen eye to see whether he gets this treaty signed, this all important treaty, and will it be a step towards actually seeing those deportation flights take off? >> yes, less than an hour to go until touches the paper until the pen touches the paper and a press conference from the home secretary have it all. home secretary will have it all. stick with on afternoon. stick with us on good afternoon. britain looks like things are heating up. >> spoilers, sponsors of >> box spoilers, sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello, welcome to your latest gb news weather update from the met office . it'll stay rather met office. it'll stay rather wet and cloudy across

southeastern areas throughout the day, but elsewhere it will turn brighter though we are expecting some quite widespread turn brighter though we are expytonightome quite widespread turn brighter though we are expytonight .�*ne quite widespread fog tonight. >> so staying cloudy across south eastern areas because this area of low pressure, that's brought some rain to many southern central areas southern and central areas is clearing to east. so clearing off to the east. so that means got that means we've got the remnants from that remnants of some cloud from that through much of the afternoon for you will for central areas. but you will start some more start to see some more brightness, but stay brightness, but it will stay damp and drizzly across southeastern areas further north after pretty start to the after a pretty cold start to the day, there will be decent day, there will be a decent amount of sunshine the amount of sunshine through the day, areas will stay day, but coastal areas will stay that cloudier. but that much cloudier. but temperatures rising to about 4 or in the sunshine . or 5 degrees in the sunshine. then through tonight, though, that weather will become that clearer weather will become more widespread with gap more widespread with a gap between weather fronts. so that means that we've got plenty of clear across clear spells developing across the uk and will be a cold and the uk and it will be a cold and frosty night with temperatures widely dipping down into towards minus five degrees . we could be minus five degrees. we could be as low as minus eight in parts of scotland by the start of wednesday morning. some potentially some extensive fog and mist that could be fairly

slow to clear for parts of wales and southern areas of england. and then throughout wednesday, we to see this area of we start to see this area of rain arrive from the west. so that will bring some outbreaks of rain, particularly into the evening northern of rain, particularly into the evening and northern of rain, particularly into the evening and then northern of rain, particularly into the evening and then that northern of rain, particularly into the evening and then that rain thern of rain, particularly into the evening and then that rain will1 ireland. and then that rain will spread throughout spread eastwards throughout thursday, bringing damp thursday, bringing a rather damp day on thursday. on day on thursday. but on wednesday we've still got some bright, spells. by bright, sunny spells. but by that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on .

gb news way. >> good afternoon , britain. >> good afternoon, britain. >> good afternoon, britain. >> it's 12:00 on tuesday, the 5th of december, an emergency landing. >> the home secretary is in east africa to sign a landmark new deal with rwanda. >> the immigration minister says he is confident that deportation flights will take off before the next election, but should he be hand outs for harry? >> the duke of sussex is back in court demanding the taxpayer pick up the bill for his lavish security detail in the uk. >> this despite his $100 million documentary deal with netflix. would you pay for the prince rishi suffers defeat a seismic moment in the in westminster last night as rishi sunak loses his first commons vote as prime minister despite a notional majority of 56. >> is this the beginning of the end for the prime minister