gb news way. >> good afternoon , britain. >> good afternoon, britain. >> good afternoon, britain. >> it's 12:00 on tuesday, the 5th of december, an emergency landing. >> the home secretary is in east africa to sign a landmark new deal with rwanda. >> the immigration minister says he is confident that deportation flights will take off before the next election, but should he be hand outs for harry? >> the duke of sussex is back in court demanding the taxpayer pick up the bill for his lavish security detail in the uk. >> this despite his $100 million documentary deal with netflix. would you pay for the prince rishi suffers defeat a seismic moment in the in westminster last night as rishi sunak loses his first commons vote as prime minister despite a notional majority of 56. >> is this the beginning of the end for the prime minister.

>> and here's one for you. the environmental activist and absolute zero activist. she doesn't even like net zero. she wants absolute zero. greta thunberg and friends have co—written an article for the guardian . yeah. do you know what guardian. yeah. do you know what the article is about ? the article is about? >> emily so the article isn't actually about what she calls climate justice or eco sign or carbon emissions. it's climate justice or eco sign or carbon emissions . it's actually carbon emissions. it's actually about what's going on in the middle east. of course it is. >> of course it is. >> yes. so not happy with just talking about environmental issues, which of course , is her. issues, which of course, is her. right. she's discussing that israel is, in her view, an apartheid state. oh, i'm sure she says that israel is committing ongoing war crimes and that every eco activist presumably should also stand

against israel. >> you know, when she said when you said that greta had written about middle was about the middle east, i was weighing up in my mind, would she come and support israel's right to defend itself? would it be denouncing the be a piece denouncing the horrors of the terror group hamas ? no, of it's hamas? no, of course, it's calling for an end to israel's defence of itself. and in in so doing, as all who call for a lack of military defence from israel are in effect calling for its time for hamas to rearm as the leadership of hamas, consisting say they want to carry out more. october the 7th. >> that's not even the point, is it? it's the idea. we were talking about this earlier. the idea because you up to idea that because you sign up to environmental issues, for example therefore have example, will you therefore have to up a number of other to sign up to a number of other political causes ? and of course, political causes? and of course, we saw greta have her we saw greta thunberg have her mic when she mic ripped off her when she started talking about middle started talking about the middle east she was supposed to be east when she was supposed to be talking about environment. talking about the environment. so there you go. let us know what you think it is in the guardian. and don't worry,

they've their pronouns for they've left their pronouns for us at the bottom of the us as well. at the bottom of the article, just in case got them. >> get involved. >> i get involved. gb news gbviews@gbnews.com. >> i get involved. gb news gb\gets@gbnews.com. >> i get involved. gb news gb\gets@gtthat;.com. >> i get involved. gb news gb\gets@gtthat discussion and we get into that discussion and so many more, let's get your latest headlines with sam . latest headlines with sam. >> tom thank you. >> tom thank you. >> good afternoon . it's just >> good afternoon. it's just gone 12:03. i'm sam francis in the newsroom. gb news news understands that new emergency legislation that could enable migrants to be sent to rwanda for processing was not discussed or agreed in cabinet. earlier, the home secretary is expected to unveil a new treaty with rwanda in the commons tomorrow . rwanda in the commons tomorrow. the new legislation could then be published on thursday, but mps are not expected to vote on it this week. meanwhile, james cleverly is in rwanda working on the new agreement. but senior government sources say that the new treaty is just a first step. meanwhile the backlog of asylum cases here in the uk fell by nearly half in november , as the nearly half in november, as the government works to clear older cases by the end of the year. the prime minister has promised

to work through all outstanding legacy cases . that's legacy cases. that's applications that are waiting for a decision . since june of for a decision. since june of last year here in the uk, tory mps voted against the government last night in favour of speeding up the compensation for victims of the infected blood scandal. 22 conservatives backed the labour led amendment to set up a body to operate the compensation scheme. it was the prime minister's first defeat in the commons with haemophilia society saying sunak should saying that rishi sunak should be ashamed that he was forced to do the right thing around 30,000 people, rather, were given contaminated blood in the 1970s and 80 ends since then , 3000 and 80 ends since then, 3000 have died . thames water has have died. thames water has warned that it's in severe financial distress and a turnaround will take time. the troubled water company's profits have dropped by 54% in the six months to september of this year as its debts ballooned. it reported around £13 billion in revenue. but it spent a record 1

billion on network improvement . billion on network improvement. it comes just days after its parent company warned it could run out of money by april. that's unless it secures more funding . interim bosses say it funding. interim bosses say it needs immediate and radical action if it's to secure the finances of the uk's biggest water supplier. well, strikes by train drivers across parts of england are continuing today, causing delays and gridlock across the country . no ctc across the country. no ctc trains are running, while greater anglia and services are also disrupted. more operators are set to strike in the coming days. train drivers across england started a week long ban on overtime last friday as well, which is continuing to disrupt services. the managing director of sea to sea trains says that he's disappointed that an agreement hasn't yet been reached with the aslef union on trans women prisoners who've hurt or threatened women or girls will not be held in female prisons in scotland . and a new prisons in scotland. and a new policy set out by scottish pfison policy set out by scottish prison services will take an individualised approach to

housing. trans gender people. it means that some prisoners will initially be placed in male prisons until more information is known about whether they should be housed in accordance with their chosen gender. scotland's justice secretary says the policy supports the rights transgender people and rights of transgender people and the welfare of prisoners and staff . a legal challenge over staff. a legal challenge over prince harry's security arrangements will be held at the high court later. the duke of sussex was stripped of his special protections that are normally afforded to royals when he decided to step back from his role instead he wants role in 2020. instead he wants to pay police officers for security services when he and his family visit the uk. bill gates has struck an optimistic tone as he discussed this year's cop 28 climate summit at the philanthropy east and co—founder of microsoft dismissed concerns that the summit is taking place in the oil rich uae. saying that it's important that countries in the gulf are engaged in discussion as well. speaking at a climate and growth conference in paris earlier, he said this

year's cop has done a betterjob of highlighting the role of innovation in. >> i was thrilled with what i saw at that cop. the cop did a better job on innovation , better job on innovation, adaptation and thinking about food and health than any previous cop. >> now, i say that knowing that, yes, we are behind on our short term goals. so now you know, it's a cop, maybe two thirds full and we need to keep doubung full and we need to keep doubling down on on this cause . doubling down on on this cause. >> and back in the uk , more than >> and back in the uk, more than 60 flood warnings are in place across england as heavy rain has pushed out the snow . it follows pushed out the snow. it follows a night of subzero temperatures andice a night of subzero temperatures and ice across the north of scotland , where temperatures scotland, where temperatures have dipped low as minus ten have dipped as low as minus ten overnight. there's a further overnight. and there's a further 182 flood alerts with people urged to stay cautious . this 182 flood alerts with people urged to stay cautious. this is gb news across the uk on your tv, in your car and digital radio and on your smart speaker.

now, though, it's back to tom and . emily well, james and. emily well, james cleverly is currently in the rwandan capital kigali to sign a new asylum treaty with the east african country that seeks to address all of these concerns raised up by the uk. >> the uk supreme court last month. yes >> one measure includes plans to send british government lawyers to rwanda to improve and professionalise the country's asylum system and crucially, its appeals mechanism. well this comes a day after the home secretary announced a new raft of measures to bring down net migration into including raising the salary threshold for skilled workers and barring overseas care workers from bringing dependants. well, shall we cross to westminster now and speak to conservative mp for ipswich, tom tom hunt, who has been quite vocal. tom, haven't you over migration policy? you've believed for a long time that

net levels have been far too high. has james cleverly gone far enough when it comes to getting those legal figures down on. >> well, i think i welcome what was announced yesterday , but i was announced yesterday, but i do have some regret that it's taken so long for us to get to this point that we had the most recent ons stats that were made. >> pretty grim reading for those who believe in controlled borders managed migration . borders and managed migration. but actually the ons stats before were far too high. before that were far too high. and actually i published a paper with 12 recommendations about how we could address that and get net migration down to the level it was at 2019, which we pledged to decrease it from. so yes, i welcome yesterday . i yes, i welcome yesterday. i think in some respects it could go further, but i regret that it's taken so long to do that and public cynicism and apathy and public cynicism and apathy and you know, when it comes to migration is so high that i think that people are sick of words and promises on migration ,

words and promises on migration, both legal and illegal. i want to see his results action, to see his results in action, and that will actually and only that will actually restore their faith in the british political system. >> say to those who >> what do you say to those who would that the british would argue that the british economy to some extent has developed dependency on developed a dependency on overseas labour, particularly cheaper overseas labour that will now be tightened up with this tightening up of the points based system? does it not take time to wean an economy off that to skill up our own workforces ? to skill up our own workforces? will there not be a bit of a transition cost . here transition cost. here >> there could be, but ultimately the british people have made their view clear. time and time again. they think net migration is at far too high level. in 2019, it was at 226,000 and we stood on a manifesto saying we would decrease it from that number. so we have to do that. but the key thing isn't just, you know, thing here isn't just, you know, gdp . it's gdp thing here isn't just, you know, gdp. it's gdp per thing here isn't just, you know, gdp . it's gdp per capita . it's gdp. it's gdp per capita. it's pressure on public services. it's housing, it's social cohesion . all of these different

cohesion. all of these different things need to be taken into account. and i think it's important we do that. but it is unhealthy if the reliance we have on cheap foreign labour in a number of sectors, social care and other areas as well, it needs to be addressed and i'm open to the fact that if we're going to get net migration down to sustainable levels , it needs to sustainable levels, it needs to sustainable levels, it needs to be coupled with significant work also work on welfare reform, but also education and skills . education and skills. >> should we turn to rwanda because as the home secretary is in the country today, he's due in the country today, he's due in about an hour or so, less than an hour now, less than an hour now to sign this new treaty, which is an attempt by the government to get round the supreme court's ruling last month. what else is going to be in place to make sure that these flights actually do take off? because it's seeming more and more likely every obstacle for the government comes up against with this policy that these flights will ever get off the ground election . ground before the next election. >> well, the important thing to point out here is we have the

home secretary's visit to rwanda and the rwanda treaty , but we and the rwanda treaty, but we also have that emergency legislation, which is going to deal squarely with some of the challenges the government have been facing from the human rights act, the european convention of human rights, but also the refugee convention. and i think it's really we've heard this full fat option being bandied around. it is my view that we need to have the full fat option. i think there's no point having 70 or 80% of what we need because that won't do it. need to have 100% of what it. we need to have 100% of what we need. and if it isn't the case, i think we're going to struggle a flight off to struggle to get a flight off to rwanda. you i think rwanda. so you know, i think we need robust. think need to be very robust. i think we to clearly express the we need to clearly express the sovereignty of parliament sovereignty of our parliament that into that needs to be written into law. be made law. it needs to be made explicit. and i look forward to seeing over the coming days. >> $- ?-— ? expecting going >> tom, we were expecting going to that detail to see some of that detail published today. gb news now understands to understands we're not going to see until see that detail likely until thursday . may do you, as thursday. may do you, as a member of parliament, as a legislator, believe you will

have enough time to read the detail ? bill, before you go for detail? bill, before you go for this emergency vote in two days time . time. >> well, i don't know what the details are in terms of the details are in terms of the detail being published on thursday. potential vote on thursday. potential vote on thursday. so i don't i haven't got that detail to hand. but the key thing is, is that whatever is in it is the right thing. and that needs we can't have that needs to be we can't have any know, we've been marched any you know, we've been marched up multiple times. up the hill multiple times. we've nationality we've voted for the nationality and borders act. we voted for the illegal migration act. you know, probably voted over 50 know, i probably voted over 50 times place on on on times in that place on on on laws to do with tackling the small boats. but but here we are. mean, there's been are. i mean, yes, there's been some progress in terms of a 30% cut numbers. but it's cut in the numbers. but it's still and the still a huge problem. and the british rightly british public are rightly still complete, so whatever it complete, fed up. so whatever it is mean, main focus is is, i mean, my main focus is whether it's today, it's whether it's today, whether it's wednesday, thursday wednesday, whether it's thursday . focus is, is that . my main focus is, is that whatever is presented to us on thursday is the right thing because, you know, this is this is this is this is the moment. this is a moment where where we

decide when we say we will do whatever it takes to stop the boats, do we actually mean that or just saying that this or are we just saying that this week opportunity for week is an opportunity for government that they government to prove that they mean it ? mean it? >> well, let's hope there is time for everyone parliament time for everyone in parliament to be able to read through that emergency legislation because it is important and you is so important. and as you know, viewers listeners know, our viewers and listeners are frustrated , ed, about are well frustrated, ed, about how long it's taking to solve this problem. thank you very much for your time. tom hunt, conservative mp for ipswich for your time . your time. >> yeah, well, it's not just the illegal migration issue that is battling the government right now. rishi sunak is actually licking his wounds this morning after suffering his first ever defeat in the house of commons overnight . overnight. >> yes. so 22 rebel tory mps backed a labour amendment to speed up efforts to compensate victims of the nhs infected blood scandal bill. >> well, our political correspondent katherine forster has the background to this story.

>> it was hailed as a miracle treatment it but for many it was a death sentence . in the 1970s a death sentence. in the 1970s and 80s thousands were infected with hiv or hepatitis c through factor eight, a blood product used to treat haemophiliacs whose blood doesn't clot properly . it was also given to properly. it was also given to people who needed blood transfusions . 35,000 were transfusions. 35,000 were infected , including body shop infected, including body shop founder anita roddick. she died from complications from hepatitis c decades after being infected by a blood transfusion when giving birth . almost 3000 when giving birth. almost 3000 have died and the impact on survivors is profound . sunday survivors is profound. sunday times political editor and author caroline wheeler has been campaigning for victims for decades. >> these individuals are people that have been fighting for answers for almost 50 years. their lives have been completely destroyed . for those that destroyed. for those that haven't lost their lives , many haven't lost their lives, many of them have been unable to work

, unable to have relationships and unable to live a normal life in any way, shape or form riddled with disease , often riddled with disease, often hospitalised for long periods of time . they are still dying at time. they are still dying at the rate of one every four days an and that's just not right. factor eight was largely imported from the states and blood often came from prisoners and drug addicts as warnings it was not safe were ignored for years . years. >> colin smith was given infected blood during a routine ear operation aged two. despite an edict that it was not to be given to children. he died from aids at seven, weighing the same as a four month old baby . aids at seven, weighing the same as a four month old baby. his family were vilified , and such family were vilified, and such was the stigma of aids at the time and at treloar school in hampshire , a boarding school for hampshire, a boarding school for medically vulnerable youngsters. 122 boys were infected . victims 122 boys were infected. victims say they were used as guinea pigs say they were used as guinea pigs with no proper consent. all

the boys in this picture have died , but the teenagers formed died, but the teenagers formed a pact to find out what was killing them . the 30 still alive killing them. the 30 still alive are fighting for redress. >> yes, that's tough. i think about that every day . about that every day. >> and of the seven brothers in the cornes family, six were haemophiliacs all all were infected and five have died . infected and five have died. victims have appealed to politicians for many years . politicians for many years. finally, the then prime minister theresa may, announced a full pubuc theresa may, announced a full public inquiry. in 2017, labour mp diana johnson has long campaigned for victims and is calling on the government to deliver. >> this is a massive failure of the state. the chair of that inquiry has taken the very unusual step of announcing his recommendations on compensation in advance of his final report in advance of his final report in april this year. he said that he couldn't in all conscience wait because people were dying. people are suffering now. many

have died . you know, many will have died. you know, many will never see justice. we need political will by this government to do the right thing. and i'm hoping that will happen before christmas . happen before christmas. >> but after half a century of deceit, cover ups and deflection, victims might just might soon get some measure of justice. katherine forster, gb news and thank you to catherine for that. >> now, just before we speak to catherine, we've got some serious news we need to bring you, and that is that all schools in the welsh town of aberfan in south wales have been closed and the south wales police department has said that emergency services are responding to a serious assault that took place on moy road . that took place on moy road. aberfan merthyr just before 910 this morning. armed officers are in the area and we request that people avoid the area so that we can effective deal with this

incident . we'll bring you more incident. we'll bring you more information on this incident as we get it . we get it. >> yes. well, let's get the latest with gb news political correspondent katherine forster on the infected blood scandal . on the infected blood scandal. catherine, thank you very much. you're in westminster. we understand that a letter will be passed to number 10. am i right? >> yes, that's right. at a little bit after 2:00 this afternoon, letters will be handedin afternoon, letters will be handed in to number 10 downing street and to number 11 by the people affected by the contaminated blood scandal and by mps called basically on the government to get a move on with compensation. these people were affected in the 1970s. in the 19805, affected in the 1970s. in the 1980s, and people are still dying at the rate of one every four days. that's what the vote was in parliament last night. rishi sunaks first test defeat and the government loss at 22.

conservative rebels backed diana johnson , the labour mp who's johnson, the labour mp who's been fighting for victims for a long time, backed her amendments . it went through by four votes and what it will do is basically mean that when the infected blood inquiry finally reports , blood inquiry finally reports, which should be about march the body to award compensate should by then be set up and ready to move because these people have waited decades , years. and it is waited decades, years. and it is really a horrendous injustice. what has happened to them. horrendous suffering and death and a big cover up really for many, many years . but obviously many, many years. but obviously it's going to be very expensive for the government . for the government. >> yes. anywhere between 20 and £24 billion. so the conservative government was saying last night a hugely expensive commitment . a hugely expensive commitment. but but catherine, why do you think it is that rishi sunak seemed to have missed the mark

on this four vote loss? two mps voting the other way and his first loss now in the house of commons is yes indeed. >> well, i think the plan of the government, as indeed has been the case with successive governors payments going back. indeed to the 70s and 80s was basically to make this someone else's problem because as if it waited for the inquiry to report in the spring, they could take a few months and wondering exactly how to manage this. lo and behold, there'll be a general election and the conservatives might not even be in power. then it would then be labour's problem . and this is what we've problem. and this is what we've seen. again and again for decades. basically, nobody really wants to take responsibility for this scandal and ed, because it's expensive. but this goes back to really when it was happening because in the 70s and 80s, britain was not self—sufficient in blood products. we didn't have the

facilities even when we did have enough blood to process it . and enough blood to process it. and so it was cheaper and easier to get the blood from abroad, specifically america , even specifically america, even though there were very real and known risks which now, of course, we know much more about. >> thank you very much indeed, gb news political correspondent katherine forster there. it's quite incredible that they set up this inquiry only in 2017. and it was theresa may, wasn't it? yes. and it's now seven years later. it is still no clear decision on on how much compensation and when it will be delivered, but we'll bring you more on that. >> yeah, and there has been an interim payment. there has, yeah. will bring you, of yeah. but we will bring you, of course, much more on what we're learning about an increasingly concern situation in the welsh town of aberfan. we're getting more information and we will bnng more information and we will bring it to you as soon as we have verified it. we're live with our political editor on downing after this

isabel, monday to thursdays from six till 930 . six till 930. >> okay . >> okay. >> okay. >> schools have been placed in lockdown in a welsh village after an assault which left one person in hospital . person in hospital. >> well, armed forces are currently dealing with the situation in aberfan , in the situation in aberfan, in the south wales as well. gb news south of wales as well. gb news reporter charlie peters joins us now for more . and charlie, we now for more. and charlie, we have limited information at this stage. >> that's right. there was a call to the emergency services

this morning just before 9:10 in an emergency ambulance, a road ambulance and armed police deployed to the south wales town .soon deployed to the south wales town . soon after that call . as we . soon after that call. as we understand, the one patient was sent to the hospital in cardiff, a trauma centre there of course, after advanced critical care was delivered at the scene. the attack , a serious assault, has attack, a serious assault, has been described as a horror attack and there are reports of attack and there are reports of a stabbing taking place with just one person wounded. as we understand . and at this point, understand. and at this point, though, details are scarce. we also understand that three schools and one childcare centre have been placed in lockdown all four of those institutions releasing statements in the last hour to confirm that their pupils and the children are safe. the perimeters are secure and no children were involved in the incident. but there are a surge of police officers in the area now , particularly around

area now, particularly around the area of moira road in aberfan, where this serious assault is reported to have taken place . we'll have more taken place. we'll have more details as we get them . details as we get them. >> thank you very much indeed, charlie peters. we will keep with that story and let you know any updates when we get it . with that story and let you know any updates when we get it. i believe we are now to talking christopher hope. is he with us at downing street? our political edhon at downing street? our political editor. christopher thank you very much for joining editor. christopher thank you very much forjoining us. i understand you've got some news for us on in rwanda . for us on in rwanda. >> that's right. the cabinet has just broken up here in number 10 downing street, had a briefing from the government. they've made very clear the treaty made very clear that the treaty was discussed some detail, was discussed in some detail, will see an unveiling, a signing by the by james cleverly, the home around 1 pm. home secretary around 1 pm. today, by press today, followed by a press conference. but terms of the conference. but in terms of the actual legislation to enforce that, to try and override the concerns of judges here on human rights grounds, we that was not discussed today in cabinet. we may see that on thursday, maybe

that's as guidance. i'm not sure it's going to come out yet. and that's why i think a lot of mps are waiting to see. there's a mass meeting tonight of the european of tory european research group of tory mps new conservative, mps and the new conservative, a group of tory mps. you might call them the awkward squad as shorthand , and they'll be shorthand, and they'll be looking whether what they're looking at whether what they're heanng looking at whether what they're hearing from the government is enough migration. enough to control net migration. it's to, of course, the it's going to, of course, the measures announced yesterday by james the james cleverly will bring the figure 300,000 year figure down by 300,000 a year and illegal migration that's running around 23,000 so far for this year. crossing by small boats the southern border boats across the southern border of the uk . so we'll hear more of the uk. so we'll hear more later today. the government is not ruling out further measures to control net migration in may be caps on certain areas of the economy to bring numbers down, but already the big question marks for the government about what the effect will be on on the health care services, on care workers already looking at holes in their workforce. big shortfalls in numbers is the government going to go ahead and

push harder and try and get more brits into those jobs? that's the question ministers behind you are getting younger and younger days . younger these days. >> but but stick with serious matters at hand. what are we expecting to take place? perhaps an emergency vote for this emergency legislation on thursday . thursday. >> i understand from a senior government sources that there will be no vote of mps on thursday. the best we're going to get is this emergency legislation to override the concerns of the supreme court about human rights issues of anyone sent back to rwanda for processing from the uk. will be published. we might see a vote then next week. but the race is on, isn't it, though, tom and emily, they've got they are saying today that they are intent on getting flights to rwanda, taking off in the spring to make that happen . they've got to make that happen. they've got to make that happen. they've got to this this legislation to get this this legislation through the house of commons. that the easy bit. that will be the easy bit. despite the government's working majority, around 40 or 50, the harder is the lords because harder bit is the lords because they've push it through

they've got to push it through lords any real mandate lords without any real mandate from the 2019 manifesto. they also said , i asked particularly also said, i asked particularly about what is the government's target they target for net migration. they said they stand by the manifesto, which is to bring it down the figure then down below the figure then of around 220,000 or currently around 220,000 or so. currently the figure after these changes , the figure after these changes, which only take place in full in april next year, will bring it to down around 360,000 or so. maybe up to 425,000 or 445,000. that's nowhere near the number agreed back in 2019 of the government now saying that it will try and get there and it's holding out. we heard today from robert jenrick that caps could be the answer. well, they're not ruling a cap on certain ruling out a cap on certain professions, bringing in more staff, yet. staff, but we're not there yet. well that's interesting. >> thank you very much indeed . >> thank you very much indeed. christopher hope, political christopher hope, our political edhon christopher hope, our political editor. interesting then that we'll get the emergency legislation published , but there legislation published, but there won't a vote potentially till won't be a vote potentially till next week. gives gives next week. that gives gives a start mps to have. absolutely. tom hunt to be poring over ponng tom hunt to be poring over poring over all the detail over

the weekend. poring over all the detail over the wee we d. poring over all the detail over the wee we can really know what >> and we can really know what the is, because does the detail is, because that does matter . now. matter. now. >> we're going to be >> we're also going to be bringing the very latest bringing you the very latest from prince harry high from prince harry in the high court. back over court. he's back there over protection. battle protection. this is a battle with the home office about whether we should be paying the taxpayer should be coughing up the cost of his protection detail, security detail in this country. what do you think about that? >> well, all of that to come after and we'll be discussing it with our panel, of course. but that's after the headlines with sam . sam. >> tom, thank you very much. good afternoon. it's just gone 1232. i'm sam francis in the newsroom. well as we've been hearing, some breaking news coming into us at gb news that police are urging people to avoid the town of aberfan in south . that's after south wales. that's after reports of a serious assault that's left one person in hospital schools and a community centre there are closed after an incident took place at around

9:10 this morning on moy road. armed officers are currently in the area. we'll bring you more on that as we get it throughout the course of the afternoon . to the course of the afternoon. to other news now, gb news understands that new emergency legislation that could see migrants sent to rwanda for processing was not discussed or agreed in cabinet earlier. processing was not discussed or agreed in cabinet earlier . james agreed in cabinet earlier. james cleverly in rwanda is in rwanda today working on a new agreement that's expected to discuss . that's expected to discuss. expected to be discussed rather, in the commons tomorrow. senior government sources say that the new treaty is just a first step towards the government's asylum plan. well meanwhile, the backlog of asylum cases here in the uk fell by nearly half in november. that's as the government works to clear older cases by the end of the year. the prime minister has promised to work through all out standing legacy cases. that's application that have been waiting for a decision since june of last year . downing street is refusing to confirm whether the government will honour the commons vote on infected blood compensation. 22

conservatives voted against the government last night, backing the labour led amendment to set up a body to operate the compensation scheme . is the compensation scheme. is the prime minister's first defeat in the commons . around 30,000 the commons. around 30,000 people were given contaminated blood in the 1970s and 80s and since then 3000 have died . and since then 3000 have died. and thames water has warned it's in severe financial distress and a turnaround will take time . the turnaround will take time. the troubled water company's profits have dropped by 54% in the six months to september as its debts ballooned . interim bosses say ballooned. interim bosses say immediate and radical action is needed to secure the finances of the uk's biggest water supplier. and you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website at gbnews.com .

sunday mornings from 930 on . gb news. well will the government's migration plan actually work? let's pose that question to the author and broadcaster amy nicole turner and the writer and columnist emma revell. >> well, that's the question, isn't it? really the question will this migration gamble work? emma revell we've seen the home secretary set out a package of measures indicating things like minimum thresholds for salaries

will rise to 38,700, barring certain dependants and family members from coming over. do you think this is the right policy at the right time? i think it will definitely do a considerable amount to bring numbers because you numbers down because when you have any of have record highs, any kind of measure reduce migration will measure to reduce migration will inevitably an impact . inevitably have an impact. >> it depends what you >> i think it depends what you mean by it be successful mean by will it be successful from a conservative perspective? what success means is delivering a reduction before an election so that they can say they've delivered on promise. and delivered on that promise. and the most these the fact that most of these measures in measures won't come in till april that, know, april means that, you know, depending we have an depending on when we have an election year, it either election next year, it either will only made a very small will only have made a very small difference it won't have come difference or it won't have come into effect at all. >> interesting, though, >> it's interesting, though, we are see are we were already going to see some particularly some measures, particularly around students bringing dependants, which is something i've always very sort of struggled to get my head around. why undergraduate why would an undergraduate student aunts and student need to bring aunts and uncles all the uncles and cousins and all the rest what is your rest of it? amy what is your view on this? >> well, i guess with the student one, the way i always

balance it up is, well, they are bringing 1.7 billion to the treasury every year. >> so maybe let them bring who they >> so maybe let them bring who the they have within two >> they have to leave within two years anyway , following their years anyway, following their degree. put degree. i think we can put students to one side, but i think it's funny that this government have to a gamble government have to have a gamble on their own migration policies. i don't have a problem with the numbers, but obviously the conservative the conservative voters do, and the conservative party do. but it's kind like they've gone into kind of like they've gone into their own. >> w- e e w" >> honestly, amy, because do you honestly no problem with honestly have no problem with the you don't see? no. the numbers? you don't see? no. hundreds of thousands every year as an issue at all? >> well, no, because i see particularly with the working visas, i see taxpayers, particularly in the social dependence, aren't working. the care sector was saying led by foreign labour. otherwise it would have collapsed following covid, we need more carers than we still have 140,000 vacancies in the care sector. so how are those going to be filled? i'd rather have a full workforce in the care system than what? quibbling about numbers? >> yeah, i think the problem for a lot of people is they are

alarmed by the number of dependents who are to dependents who are allowed to come. if you're coming come. if you're if you're coming to work in our social care system, unfortunately, and this is for sector, is a problem for the sector, unfortunately, be on unfortunately, you'll be on quite salary . and quite a low salary. and therefore, if you've got children and a partner who's not working and all of this, then you're not going to be covering the costs, are you? it's basic. >> we also have to talk about abuse of health and social care visas, something the visas, which is something the government the government has highlighted. the gangmasters and labour authority, labour exploitation authority, labour exploitation authority seen an absolute authority have seen an absolute skyrocketing number of investigations that they are having to run into health and social workers who are social care workers who are being when they get being exploited when they get here. and number started to here. and that number started to increase massively when the health and social workers health and social care workers were to occupational were added to the occupational shortage there is a shortage list. so there is a correlation know , correlation between, you know, importing people to do those jobs because we have shortages here. and as amy says, we absolutely to absolutely need people to do those . but they those jobs. but if they are being exploited by criminal gangs here, and then when gangs to get here, and then when they get here, that's something we tackle because that

we need to tackle because that can't continue. can't be allowed to continue. >> you raise >> it's interesting you raise criminal gangs because there's another this walnut, another half of this walnut, really. hearing really. not only are we hearing more and more about plans to limit legal migration today, the home secretary is in rwanda to talk about illegal migration. although although i use the word illegal migration, that's not exactly the words that the bbc like to use about this issue. should we have a little listen ? should we have a little listen? >> fresh from announcing a five point plan to cut the number of people the uk legally, people coming to the uk legally, james cleverly turning his james cleverly is turning his attention the government attention to what the government calls illegal migration, and that was radio four this morning, saying what the government calls illegal migration. >> tom, you know , i was going on >> tom, you know, i was going on you're smart enough to know what's going on. i would hang on. would no thing on. i would have no such thing as migrant . as an illegal migrant. >> know, no law asylum, >> you know, it's no law asylum, not necessarily in the first country you land in. there's no asylum until you get here, until you get to the amy. >> so you basically do not believe in borders. i think we've got that. now, if you don't believe that a, that a

migrant can be illegal, you therefore don't believe in borders. so you go. ergo, there are no nation states and we're just citizens of the denoted by a border. >> you can claim asylum wherever you wish, but do you think there are such . things as illegal are such. things as illegal economic migrants? oh, i always find this one very tricky because i think we underpay play the actual impact that poverty can have an economic the economic push. so when you look at opportunities available at the opportunities available in somewhere where we had in somewhere like where we had record last year albania record numbers last year albania to there and have no no to grow up there and have no no opportunities to thrive, i think anybody would feel that push. >> i think the albanian prime minister might have something to say but emma. say about that. but emma. >> it is the case. >> but it is the case. >> but it is the case. >> but it is the case. >> but emma, the what would you say on that whole argument? i mean, the bbc clearly trying to suggest maybe me that not everyone would agree that illegal migrants exist, or at least those crossing the channel on small boats aren't illegal migrants. i think illegal migrants. i think illegal

migrants or illegal migration is a fairly acceptable shorthand by if you're talking about people who, when they arrive in the uk, don't have a legal they don't arrive here with a right to be here. >> i think illegal migration is a perfectly acceptable shorthand and the bbc probably know that. a perfectly acceptable shorthand ancbut bbc probably know that. a perfectly acceptable shorthand ancbut bbc ifobably know that. a perfectly acceptable shorthand ancbut bbc if there'sknow that. a perfectly acceptable shorthand ancbut bbc if there's no yw that. a perfectly acceptable shorthand ancbut bbc if there's no othert. >> but what if there's no other way of claiming asylum other than arriving here? so say if you're not on that list, you're not from afghanistan, you're not from ukraine, or, say, from sudan , there's no way. sudan, there's no way. >> i mean, i don't think anyone disputes that on some of these small boats. there are some people who are genuine asylum seekers. what people dispute is the 80 plus percent of the young males on these boats are they all genuine asylum seekers? and i think any level headed person would say a significant proportion of those are not genuine asylum seekers . genuine asylum seekers. >> well, the last time that was actually checked, 86% of people were deemed genuine asylum

seekers . the problem is we don't seekers. the problem is we don't look into these because we have a processing backlog as long as well. >> that's 86% of a very small proportion who actually get processed. >> that was way back when. if you did it now, i'm sure you would reflect very similar. we look at a case by case all the time. look at the people in the hotels and hear their stories. >> we compare our >> amy, when we compare our statistics acceptance in statistics on acceptance in terms of asylum cases to other european nations, we have been far more generous in terms of granting people asylum . you see granting people asylum. you see countries like france, germany, except a far fewer proportion. and it looks like our government will probably stop allowing such a high proportion in the future . a high proportion in the future. so, you know, there's a lot you can't just say, oh, 86, therefore, 86% of the people who've crossed year are who've crossed this year are also seekers. also genuine asylum seekers. >> say there is a lack >> you can say there is a lack of safe and legal routes for particular people coming from particular people coming from particular situations and of course the government. >> think the government also >> i think the government also accepts that. it says that it wants open and legal wants to open safe and legal routes after it's clamped down on the illegal trade, although i

think there is a legitimate criticism there that trying to do it sequentially might be backfiring in that way. and you do you do need more than three routes whereby people can claim asylum, shall say it's asylum, but shall we say it's 40,000 people. >> surely 40,000 people isn't at the top of people's priority list. >> i suppose one of the one of the arguments might be that if the arguments might be that if the government wasn't trying to do sort of deterrence and do any sort of deterrence and was saying, do you know what, it's it will it's only 40,000 people, it will soon be a lot more than 40,000. >> i think for a lot of people that a huge concern. not that is a huge concern. not least security. but least for national security. but shall we move on? >> sunak >> yes, because rishi sunak suffered commons suffered his first ever commons defeat as prime minister in the house of commons last night for votes. that means two conservative mps voting instead of with the opposition with the government would have turned it around. this was over in infected blood , but i suppose infected blood, but i suppose this is more than that. this this is more than that. this this shows perhaps a weakening authority of the prime minister. >> i think any loss that a prime

minister suffers, that is a question that's asked, i think. but given the emotive nature of this particular topic , it this particular topic, it doesn't necessarily it's not as dramatic as if you'd lost something over a more substantive matter of government policy, because you will have pretty much every mp in parliament will have constituents who've been affected by are affected by the infected blood scandal. they are very emotive stories . if you very emotive stories. if you listen to, you know, pick pick any of the victims or the victims families, the stories are absolute awful. so you can understand why. actually, i think it's about 20 mps who decided to vote against the government. i think i understand why they did do that. and i think while no loss for the government reflects well on the prime minister it doesn't reflect badly as a loss on reflect as badly as a loss on a on a on a sort of more economic bafis. basis. >> amy, should we be a little bit perhaps thoughtful of the up to 24 billion? i think the number was that tory mps were using last night £24 billion of pubuc using last night £24 billion of public expenditure in compensation . is that affordable

compensation. is that affordable when it comes to something like this? >> i don't think you should think about the economics first. you should think about the morality first. i to morality first. and i think to most mind, very most people's mind, it's very clear with this i think clear with this one, i think this is why, why it should have been a free vote, really, because i think this is a matter of conscience and with this particular topic. but let's not let that move from how unpopular rishi sunak is currently. so he is less popular than liz truss, the prime minister that was outlived by a lettuce currently in the polling. he's actually got a similar popularity rating at the moment to which jeremy corbyn had in the run up to going up against boris johnson. i think this is spectacularly interesting that he has managed to have things fall away to this extent. i think it's probably because he bangs on about is maths a—levels and incremental smoking . smoking. >> there you go. why do you emma, why do you think rishi sunakis emma, why do you think rishi sunak is so unpopular at the moment?

>> i think it does just boil down to people's economic circumstance . his at the end of circumstance. his at the end of the day, if you not feeling the day, if you are not feeling more well off than you did six months ago, a year ago, 18 months ago, a year ago, 18 months ago, a year ago, 18 months ago, then that's you're going to take that out on on the leadership of the country. i think what is also a problem, going back to the previous topic, make stopping topic, if you make stopping the boats, down migration boats, bringing down migration a significant plank not just of rishi sunak's premiership, but of conservative government over the last decade and all you see every single time numbers come out is a new record high above a new record high that is going to undermine people's confidence in government, whether they agree with your principles or not. >> it's interesting because rishi sunak promised to sort of steady the ship, steady the economic waters and then build up the poll rating and even a few months ago, talking to tory mps, talking to ministers, they would be saying, oh, look, we're starting climb the starting to climb up in the polls. and to one polls. and they point to one outlier there sort outlier poll. there or sort of as soon he edging towards as soon as he was edging towards 30. but we're seeing just this

stubborn stasis in the polls. do you think, amy, the country's just made up its mind ? just made up its mind? >> well, and i think he doesn't help himself. so he said the word stubborn. how stubborn was it when he wouldn't meet with the greek pm? that's a very strange. think that's strange. you think that's changed all? changed anything at all? i actually reaffirmed actually think that reaffirmed in that he's just in people's heads that he's just not he's not leader. left not he's not a leader. he left that to the leader of the opposition. what a bizarre decision to do that. such a simple meeting . and i think it simple meeting. and i think it spoke quite a lot, actually . he spoke quite a lot, actually. he similarly the performance at last week's pmqs and he just so bruised and broken. and i think he's just clinging to this smoking thing because then at least got a legacy, least he's got a legacy, a smoking that even the new smoking thing that even the new zealands rowed from. zealands have rowed back from. >> now . and the uk is the only >> now. and the uk is the only country in the world committing to it. but amy, just to stick with you this, with you on this, are we underestimating, sir keir starmer, who spent most of the weekend talking about how much he loves margaret thatcher? weekend talking about how much he lovit; margaret thatcher? weekend talking about how much he lovit not rgaret thatcher? weekend talking about how much he lovit not be ret thatcher? weekend talking about how much he lovit not be the thatcher? weekend talking about how much he lovit not be the case her? weekend talking about how much he lovit not be the case that could it not be the case that there are a significant proportion of conservative voters guy's

voters who think, oh, this guy's all , think, who think all right, who think, who think rishi is all right, keir starmer. the thatcher lover starmer. oh, the thatcher lover in chief. >> well, we do. i'm aware that we do have the problem that keir starmer currently on, starmer is currently riding on, just being rishi sunak. just not being rishi sunak. that's. fine. but i think that's. that's fine. but i think that will probably be enough. and then i'm hoping that when they finally get into power , we they finally get into power, we can have some real change, some real vision, some real eye catching policies, which i can't really think of. and i'm happy that he presents himself as a very bland and centrist. >> he is all over the shop with the policy proposals . is because the policy proposals. is because you believe that once he's in government, he'll implement some very leftist. what i always manifest, what i do is i think back to 2010 and i think of how much better things were then the nhs approval ratings , the nhs approval ratings, the unemployment rate, not no by any stretch . stretch. >> the unemployment rate was a lot higher in 2010 than people living in poverty was a lot lower. it depends how you define living . living. >> standards higher and >> standards were higher and that's i feel that i can

that's what i feel that i can 90, that's what i feel that i can go, okay, can trust these guys go, okay, i can trust these guys because last time they did pretty well, right? >> be seen >> well, it remains to be seen at box. of course, we at the ballot box. of course, we don't that general don't know yet when that general election we've got time election will be. we've got time for story with our for another story with our wonderful , potentially my wonderful panel, potentially my favourite . favourite story. >> the sphere? >> oh, is it the sphere? >> oh, is it the sphere? >> is no, it's not the >> this is no, it's not the sphere. thank goodness this is about christmas. cracker ears, because there is a new fad amongst christmas crackers, eco friendly christmas crackers whereby certain organisations are taking out the bang, taking out the pop from the christmas crackers so that they can be recycled. i believe we've got an image from one of these christmas crackers that happened to be presented in the house of lords last night. here it is . it lords last night. here it is. it says, let's make some noise. we've removed the snap from this cracker to ensure that it's completely recyclable , all part completely recyclable, all part of our journey to make every christmas celebration a celebration of responsibility. >> so make every christmas a celebration of responsibility. goodness me, i thought amy's

face of shock. i'm not sure you can even back this one. >> no. can >> no. can >> i've got i've seen online today that are sustainable opfions today that are sustainable options that contain like basically a little crisp packet in the inside. so they still make the pop. but there's make the pop. oh, but there's the responsibility. make the pop. oh, but there's the this onsibility. make the pop. oh, but there's the this is sibility. make the pop. oh, but there's the this is killjoys. surely >> this is killjoys. surely nanny state killjoys. well, i think if people want to buy these crackers because they want to more responsible, to be more responsible, that's the work. the market at work. >> i be sticking with the >> i will be sticking with the traditional cracker. >> all right. >> 5 have a shall >> well, shall we have a shall we give it a little go? these two. is is it's two. this is this is it's christmas. we've got christmas trees in studio. it's trees up in the studio. it's christmas to me. it's telly christmas to me. it's telly christmas is all of christmas and it is all of december. be a grinch, but december. don't be a grinch, but here's question. are here's here's the question. are these crackers, crackers with snaps or not? shall we find out ? snaps or not? shall we find out? >> i have to. it's a vote of conscience . conscience. >> you can't do it with herself first. >> oh, do you know what's so funny? we i actually prefer it when they haven't worked at all. >> we get. >> we get. >> we get two goes, we get two. i'm so sorry. are you okay? >> goodness me.

>> goodness me. >> health and safety first, please. >> little presents as well. >> little presents as well. >> health and safety. >> health and safety. >> health and safety. >> you see this is the problem. >> you see this is the problem. >> this is a problem. it's the toys inside that are. oh, no. this one's actually pretty. >> you know, i just suffered some minor whiplash as a result of that. so maybe, you know , of that. so maybe, you know, well, maybe, you know , may i well, maybe, you know, may i just say, maybe the eco friendly ones have right on this ones have got it right on this front? that was slightly mean. >> but that isn't isn't the slight terror is the slight terror and slight danger around a christmas lunch table, dinner table, whatever it is. isn't that sort of half the fun ? that sort of half the fun? >> right. well, coming up, we'll have latest our have the very latest with our royal correspondent as the duke of demanding the of sussex's demanding the taxpayer pick up the bill for his security detail in the uk. thank you, thank amy. thank you, emma. thank you, amy. see like things see you soon. looks like things are heating up . are heating up. >> boxt boilers sponsor of weather on gb news is . weather on gb news is. >> hello. welcome to your latest gb news weather update from the met office . will stay rather wet met office. will stay rather wet and cloudy across southeastern

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gb news way. >> good afternoon, britain . it >> good afternoon, britain. it is exactly 1:00 on tuesday, the 5th of december. >> emergency landing. the home secretary is in eastern africa to sign a landmark new deal with rwanda. the immigration minister says he's confident that deportation flights will take off before the election, but should he be handouts for harry? >> the duke of sussex is back in court demanding the taxpayer pick up the bill for his lavish security detail in the uk . this security detail in the uk. this despite his $100 million documentary deal with netflix . documentary deal with netflix. why would you pay for the prince ? >> and 7 >> and rishi suffers ? >> and rishi suffers defeat. a seismic moment in the westminster palace last night as rishi sunak loses his first commons vote as prime minister despite a notional majority of his government being 56. is this

the beginning of the end for the prime minister. >> and we'll be bringing you the very latest for the from the developing situation in aberfan in wales. armed police officers have been sent to the scene of a serious assault in the south wales valleys village, which has forced nearby schools into lockdown . lockdown. >> yes, three schools and one child care centre has gone into lockdown after police have reported responding with armed police to this serious incident . police to this serious incident. >> yes, we've heard from south wales police. they say emergency services are responding to a serious assault that took place on moy road. aberfan merthyr just before 9:10 am. this morning. armed officers are in the area and we request that people avoid it so that we can effectively deal with this

incident . more detail will be incident. more detail will be soon available . soon available. >> i'll and as soon as we have that detail, we will be bringing it to you. it sounds like it's a deeply serious incident with one person serious injured and one suspect who seems to be being deau suspect who seems to be being dealt with by the south wales police . police. >> yes, before that, we will start our headlines with sam . start our headlines with sam. thom, emily, thank you very much i >> -- >> good afternoon. it's just gone to minutes past one. i'm sam francis in the gb newsroom. well, as we've been hearing, police are urging people to avoid the town of aberfan in south wales. a 29 year old woman has been stabbed in maui road and armed officers are searching for the suspect who left the scene. schools and a community centre are closed after an incident took place at around 9:10 this morning. we understand this is a developing story and we'll bring you more as we get it throughout the course of the

afternoon. elsewhere gb news understands that a new emergency legislation that could enable migrants to be sent to rwanda for processing was not discussed or agreed in cabinet earlier. the home secretary is expected to unveil a new treaty with rwanda in the commons tomorrow. the legislature then could be published on thursday , but mps published on thursday, but mps are not expected to vote on it this week. meanwhile, james cleverly is in rwanda working on the new agreement. but senior government sources say that the new treaty is just a first step and meanwhile, the backlog of asylum cases here in the uk fell by nearly half in november as the government works to clear older cases by the end of the yeah older cases by the end of the year. the prime minister has promised to work through all outstanding adding legacy cases. that's applications waiting for a decision. since june of last year here in the uk, tory mps voted against the government last night in favour of speeding up compensation for victims of the infected blood scandal. 22

conservatives backed the labour led amendment to set up the body to operate the compensation scheme. is the prime minister's first defeat in the commons , first defeat in the commons, with the haemophilia society saying that rishi sunak should be ashamed that he was forced to do something to do the right thing. rather around 30,000 people were given contaminated blood in the 1970s and 80 and since then 3000 have died . since then 3000 have died. thames water has warned it's in severe financial distress and a turnaround will take time. the troubled water company's profits dropped by 54% in the six months to september as debts ballooned. it reported around £13 billion in revenue. but it says it spent a record 1 billion on network improvements . it a record 1 billion on network improvements. it comes just days after its parent company warned it would run out of money by april unless it secures more funding and interim bosses say immediate and radical action is needed to secure the finances of the uk's biggest water supplier.

meanwhile strikes by train drivers across parts of england are continuing today , causing are continuing today, causing delays and gridlock across the country. no c2 trains are running, while greater anglia and services are also disrupted . and services are also disrupted. more operators are set to strike in the coming days as well. train drivers across england started a one day long ban on overtime last friday, which is continuing to disrupt services while the managing director of c2 trains says he's disappointed that an agreement hasn't yet been reached with the aslef union . trans women prisoners union. trans women prisoners who've hurt or threatened women or girls will not be held in female prisons in scotland . a female prisons in scotland. a new policy set out by the scottish prison service will take an individual approach to housing, transgender people. it means some prisoners will initially be placed in male prisons until more information is known about whether they should be housed in accordance with chosen gender. with their chosen gender. scotland's justice secretary says the policy supports the rights of trans gender people and the welfare of prisoners and

staff . the high court has been staff. the high court has been told that the impact of a successful attack on the duke of sussex should have been considered when his security arrangements were changed. prince harry was stripped of special protections that are normally afforded to royals when he chose to step back from his role in 2020, his lawyers say a failure to carry out analysis meant he was treated in an unlawful and unfair way. when he was provided with a different kind of security. when visiting the uk . and bill gates has the uk. and bill gates has struck an optimistic tone as he discussed this year's cop 28 climate summit . the climate summit. the philanthropist and co—founder of microsoft dismissed concerns that the summit is taking place in the oil rich uae. he said that it was important that countries in the gulf are engagedin countries in the gulf are engaged in discussion. speaking at the climate and growth conference in paris, he said this year's cop has done a better job of highlighting the role innovation . role of innovation. >> i was thrilled with what i saw at that cop. the cop did a

better job on innovation , on better job on innovation, on adapting action and thinking about food and health than any previous cop. now, i say that knowing that, yes, we are behind and on our short term goals . so and on our short term goals. so you know, it's a cop, maybe two thirds full, and we need to keep doubung thirds full, and we need to keep doubling down on on this cause this is gb news across the uk on your tv in your car, on your digital radio, and on your smart speaker . speaken >> now, though, it's back to tom and . emily and. emily >> good afternoon , britain. now >> good afternoon, britain. now we're getting more information from the welsh town of aberfan, where we know there has been a significant security incident take place. yes we understand there has been a serious assault and armed police are on the scene. >> so gb news reporter charlie

peters is with us. i understand, charlie, you have an update ? charlie, you have an update? yes, that's correct. >> the police are now hunting for a male suspect . it after the for a male suspect. it after the police said that a 29 year old woman had been taken to hospital with non life threatening injuries at this time. this comes after the emergency services were called to moy road in aberfan, the south welsh town , just before 9:10 this morning. we know that armed police, an air ambulance and an emergency ambulance were deployed to the scene immediately and that road ambulance took what we understand now to be a 29 year old woman to the trauma centre in a hospital in cardiff. that's non life threatening injuries at this time. that's what we understand as the police continue to search for a male suspect . we also understand that suspect. we also understand that three schools and a childcare centre in aberfan remain in lockdown. all of those institute has released statements in the last two hours to confirm that all of their pupils are safe.

they are within the perimeter of the school and child care gates . the school and child care gates. yes and no. children have been affected by the incident . but affected by the incident. but yes, that's the latest lines we have on that situation. a serious assault where a 29 year old woman has been taken to hospital with non life threatening injuries. well charlie, we know we'll be keeping a keen on this keeping a keen eye on this situation. keeping a keen eye on this situatioras we get more news, >> and as we get more news, we'll be bringing it live here on but you're also here on gb news. but you're also here with a significant exclusive for us this is about sex offenders dodging their public protection restrictions . restrictions. >> that's right. last month we had a story about an oxford job centre where a whistleblower told us that they are able to avoid their public protection restrictions . and we have an restrictions. and we have an update today. fresh revelations from the same job centre that that sex offenders and other dangerous ex—prisoners can avoid their restrictions by changing their restrictions by changing their names on their dwp digital accounts . when a prisoner is

accounts. when a prisoner is released, they are offered support to get a job and get their life back on track . their life back on track. senous their life back on track. serious offenders are put under severe restrictions on where they can work and who they can work with and their monitored to protect the public and avoid re—offending . yet astonishingly , re—offending. yet astonishingly, gb news has learned that former convicts are able to change their names when applying for work, making it difficult for employers to learn about their criminal past and convictions . criminal past and convictions. the national probation service works with job centres like this one in oxford to monitor convicts as they support their return to work and its staff here and at otherjob centres who have told gb news that ex—convict , including at least ex—convict, including at least three sex offenders, were able to dodge restrictions by using an alias when applying for work. mark is a former civil servant who recently told us about how

his job centre was mismanaging dangerous offenders. but in new claims, he has told us about how the probation service had sent his job centre a file on a dangerous ex—prisoner using their alias . their alias. >> so that meant that when the offender went to the job centre, there was no intelligence on file for them . it's all under file for them. it's all under a different name so they could get work or devices with no restrictions in place. >> in one case, a sex offender who had searched for victims on social media was able to change his name on their dwp account, despite being a repeat offender. in another scandal, mark said he had no power to stop a paedophile who had raped a 15 year old girl from changing his name to a female name, which meant that any future employers could now miss vital intelligence . intelligence. >> this child rapist decided that they wanted to become a

woman . they could have changed woman. they could have changed their name and it would not have matched the name for their restrictions . restrictions. >> when mark contacted the national probation service to raise the alarm about an alias case, the response he got back from an officer was, wow , you from an officer was, wow, you definitely have wells of patience to go through all that. the government is calling for a change in the law to stop sex offenders being able to enjoy their freedom with a new identity . identity. >> the government will also bnng >> the government will also bring forward amendments to the bill to restrict the ability of registered sex offenders to change their names in certain circumstance cases. circumstance cases. >> circumstance cases. >> mark said that he was overseas around 170 former prisoners returning to the workplace following their release , of which 50 were release, of which 50 were considered a risk and had restrictions . he admits that he restrictions. he admits that he has no idea how many were using an alias, potentially escaping their monitoring and employment restrictions . mark contacted

restrictions. mark contacted senior civil servants about a strategy to bypass this problem by searching for claimants using their national insurance number, which cannot be changed. >> this initiative was implemented only months later. it vanished . but it'd been it vanished. but it'd been acknowledged this tool was needed. and for reasons unknown, it was removed . it was removed. >> charlie peters gb news oxford . well the ministry of justice has issued a statement. >> the uk has some of the toughest powers in the world to deal with sex offenders and those managed on licence must gain permission from the probation service before taking up any jobs they must inform the relevant authorities if they change their name and face recall to prison if they fail to do so . so that's what the do so. so that's what the ministry of justice has had to say off the of charlie say off the back of charlie peters exclusive there. charlie, are convinced by that are you convinced by that statement you've found evidence

to say that that is not, in fact happening and that there are sex offenders and criminals using different names and presumably enjoying their freedoms? >> well, the policy inside the dwp and indeed the national probation service is that whenever an offender changes their name on their dwp account, it cannot take effect until it is approved by their work coach. thatis is approved by their work coach. that is a civil servant who meets them at the job centre to process their claims and applications for universal credit work training and any employment opportunities . employment opportunities. however, we have seen compelling testimony and evidence to suggest that what actually happensin suggest that what actually happens in the job centres when a name change is made is that there is no notification sent to there is no notification sent to the work coach and they are essentially none the wiser, one whistleblower told me that it takes hyper vigilance from the work coaches to ensure that when a name change takes place, particularly by an offender ,

particularly by an offender, they ensure that the name on the intelligence file from the probation service on their restrictions matches the name on their universal credit claim. if it doesn't , then you can end up it doesn't, then you can end up in a situation where dangerous ex prisoners such as murderers or sex offenders , can apply for or sex offenders, can apply for work and training and devices that they are otherwise prohibited from accessing. >> absolutely shocking loophole. well, charlie peters, thank you for bringing us that exclusive story there. we know you'll keep your eyes on it as any more developments take place. >> very worrying indeed . this is >> very worrying indeed. this is in oxford, but could be taking place across the country . three. place across the country. three. >> well, moving on. britain used to lead the world in nuclear power. this country was first to split the atom. this country built the world's first full scale nuclear power station. and this country then built nine more in in just one decade. following that first one. >> so why is it that in the last three decades, britain built significant number of new wind ,

significant number of new wind, solar, biomass and gas fired power stations, but not one single new nuclear power station? why have we fallen so far behind as a nation ? far behind as a nation? >> well, it's a big question to pose to the policy researcher at britain remade ben hopkinson, who's written reports about this precise question . ben, if we can precise question. ben, if we can establish a connection there, perhaps if we had some strong nuclear power powering all of our connections , it wouldn't be our connections, it wouldn't be so intermittent . and that's one so intermittent. and that's one of the things about nuclear power, isn't it? it's not intermittent. ben is with us here. ben, why haven't we built any in the last three decades? >> yeah. thank you so much for having me. >> yeah. thank you so much for havit's me. >> yeah. thank you so much for havit's clear britain a >> it's clear that britain has a strong and proud nuclear heritage, but it has been 28 years since we last built a nuclear power plant . there are nuclear power plant. there are two plants currently in construction or in planning , but construction or in planning, but they're not as far along or generating electricity yet. and i think a big reason of that is

cost of building new nuclear power plants in the uk. we've taken a look at every nuclear power plant built in this century that has reliable cost data. so that's 39 plants in 16 countries. and the picture doesn't look very good for britain . we've come second to britain. we've come second to last. only america . it costs last. only america. it costs more to build new nuclear power per megawatt of generating capacity . capacity. >> it also the case that in this country we have a lot of people who don't want nuclear power plants near them. we see every time nuclear is proposed in one area or another, there are many, many voices who don't want it to be in their area. is that more significant as a problem in this country than elsewhere in europe , for example ? , for example? >> yeah, i think the local opposition is definitely a challenge , but britain remade challenge, but britain remade has been across the entire country speaking to regular people and it's actually the

areas that currently have a nuclear power plant that are the most keen for new nuclear power because they know that it provides jobs , provides provides jobs, provides livelihoods . so if we don't livelihoods. so if we don't build new nuclear, we're sacrificing this kind of proud local . nuclear heritage, local. nuclear heritage, especially especially when we're on anglesey. they really would like a new nuclear power station to replace the old will. >> but it's fascinating. if you look cost of these >> but it's fascinating. if you look it cost of these >> but it's fascinating. if you look it doesn'tyf these >> but it's fascinating. if you look it doesn't have se >> but it's fascinating. if you look it doesn't have to cost things, it doesn't have to cost as much as it costs in the united kingdom. looking united kingdom. i'm looking at your research here. it seems that it's about four times, perhaps even more four times the cost to build in britain cost to build one in britain compared a country like south compared to a country like south korea. is that ? korea. why is that? >> yeah, south korea is a world leader. it came out best in our nuclear cost database. and the main reason for that is that they build their reactors in fleets. so that means that they have a reactor design and then

build . 8 to 12 of them in a row, build. 8 to 12 of them in a row, which private investment into skills. it allows consistency in funding and also allows them to learn by doing so that they're better at building, build more cheaply as they go on. >> thank you very much indeed for your time. ben hopkinson, policy researcher at britain remade. why is this country so slow and why is everything so costly when it comes to building what should be, you know, rather important infrastructure , not important infrastructure, not least for our energy security? >> yeah, so it's so depressing to think that we were the first country in the world to split the atom. we built that first full power station the atom. we built that first fu|the power station the atom. we built that first fu|the world, power station the atom. we built that first fu|the world, and power station the atom. we built that first fu|the world, and nower station the atom. we built that first fu|the world, and now we'veion the atom. we built that first fu|the world, and now we've just in the world, and now we've just fallen. behind. fallen. so far behind. hopefully, those hopefully, some of those recommendations up. recommendations can be taken up. >> how >> i mean, just look how the costs ballooned and then costs for hs2 ballooned and then we cancel most of it in we had to cancel most of it in the end. yeah yeah. useless. what can we do to change this? let us know. but i believe james cleverly, our home secretary three, who is in rwanda , of

three, who is in rwanda, of course, is just about to sign this treaty, this new treaty . this treaty, this new treaty. >> we're gearing up for this, so stay with us here on gb news. we'll be watching the signing of the pen and finding out what it means for the united kingdom after this short

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eye on what's going on in rwanda, in the capital of kigali, where we are expecting acting. the home secretary, james cleverly there he is walking out of on to the platform now ready to sign this landmark new treaty with rwanda. this is the treaty that the government believes will address the concerns of the british supreme court in terms of getting those planes going to rwanda. yes >> yes. and james, cleverly, new home secretary not being in the for job very long, straight into the action, trying desperately to get this policy to actually happen, to get it through, to make sure that the legal that they can get it through the courts essentially, that's what it's all coming to . down will it's all coming to. down will this new rwanda treaty do that we know are there he is. james cleverly signing the treaty there and we must remember, this is not just about migration for rwanda . rwanda. >> as we can see on the board behind them. this is the

migration and economic development partnership. the united kingdom has bunged rwanda , another £15 million, reportedly on top of the vast amount of money that has gone to this developing african country in order to secure this deal. rwanda believes it's got a good deal and the uk will also be providing lawyers to ensure that the legal process in rwanda is up to scratch and that the supreme court will accept its legitimacy. >> james cleverly standing there for a quick photo signed the treaty. shaken hands with his counterpart in rwanda and sat back down again, presumably to take some questions. >> we are expecting a press conference to take place, but we are waiting to see if we can listen in to that. what we should be saying of course, is that this is a long here we go, here we can get what what is being said at this press conference on our migration and

economic development partnership i >> -- >> this partnership reflects rwanda's commitment to protecting vulnerable people and our country's track record in welcoming and hosting refugees and migrants from around the world one day. >> the uk understands that there is a critical need to find innovative ways to address the suffering of migrants making dangerous , desperate journeys dangerous, desperate journeys under the exploitation of criminal human smugglers. >> there is also a need to tackle the underlying causes driving people from their homelands in other words, the boats will not be completely stopped unless we reverse the lack of opportunity and the insecurity in countries around the world and the treaty we are signing. we have just signed today. we reinforce the mutually beneficial framework for cooperation that we have

developed. it will re—emphasise in a binding manner already existing commitments that address the concerns raised in the legal process about the protection of asylum seekers . protection of asylum seekers. the treaty will also formalise the rule of law partnership with the rule of law partnership with the uk together we will build the uk together we will build the capacity of our asylum system as a safe and humane migration process . system as a safe and humane migration process. this partnership will also strengthen our asylum processes system by exchanging best practices and providing capacity building and expertise in the area of migration . i want to reaffirm migration. i want to reaffirm that the people relocated to rwanda will be welcomed and that they will be provided with both they will be provided with both the safety and support they need to build new lives. rwanda looks forward to further strengthening the cooperation with the united kingdom and to implementing

these treaty. the home secretary, james, i welcome you to deliver your remarks . before to deliver your remarks. before we take a few questions from the media, i thank you for your kind attention . attention. >> foreign minister. vincent thank you for welcoming me and my delegation here to rwanda . my delegation here to rwanda. you and i have had the opportunity to work in the past in my former capacity as the uk's foreign secretary and in all our dealings. i have always found both you personally and your government to be professional , thoughtful and professional, thoughtful and serious partners on the world stage . and i think this is stage. and i think this is exemplified by the migration and economic development partnership that we have developed over recent months and which we now

strengthen and enhance through this treaty. as you have said, rwanda has now established a strong reputation for the humane and professional administration of refugees and migrants. this is something long understood by the uk and the multilateral community. the treaty that we signed today builds on that joint work . it takes the joint work. it takes the positive professional attitude that you and your government display and allies. it with the work that the uk is doing to ensure sure that we break the business model of those evil people smuggling gangs. we want to make sure that people can live in safety and prosperity .

live in safety and prosperity. and that is why, in addition to the migration element of this partnership, the economic development part is incredibly important . we recognise that important. we recognise that that people will understandably move away from conflict and from famine and therefore it is in all our interests to address these long term drivers of mass migration . but we should also migration. but we should also make it clear that those people coming to the uk should do so through safe and legal routes and that those who put themselves in the hands of people smuggling gangs will not be able to remain in the uk. but your country has made a clear and unambiguous commitment point to the safety of people who come here. that has been displayed and we have seen that in

practice . you have also made practice. you have also made a strong commitment to work with the uk and international partners in order to make sure that the robustness of your judicial system is clearly on display . and we are very proud display. and we are very proud to be a long standing partner in that endeavour. to be a long standing partner in that endeavour . this bilateral that endeavour. this bilateral relationship today, this meeting today is, of course, marking a particularly important part of our bilateral relationship . but our bilateral relationship. but i would also like to take this opportunity to expand upon the work that we are doing together in terms of your tourism , in in terms of your tourism, in terms of your agricultural sector and in terms of your country's wider economic development . rwanda has shown development. rwanda has shown itself to be a strong and important partner to the uk. i'm very proud that this treaty

today amplifies that relationship app and i very much looking forward to continue working with you in my new role as home secretary. thank you . as home secretary. thank you. >> thank you very much. we'll now take questions from the media. >> it will be one question per person . person. >> um , chris, please . thank you. >> um, chris, please. thank you. minister chris mason continues. >> mr cleverly thank you. mr cleverly you're far from the first home secretary to head here to try and get this project up and running. what makes you think this time it can be a success and can you guarantee that migrants will be on their way here as soon as the spring? or are you crossing your fingers and hoping for the best? and a question to dr. biruta, if i may. how frustrated are you at the ongoing delays in trying to

bnng the ongoing delays in trying to bring about this policy ? and bring about this policy? and were you offended by the judgements of the uk supreme court? thank you both . court? thank you both. >> chris, thank you for the thank you for the question. the uk has been working with rwanda not just as a commonwealth partner on a range of issues which i alluded to in my opening remarks, but specifically early on the on the on the migrant and economic development partnership, migration and economic development partnership throughout the time that we've been working with the rwandan government. and they have shown an energy and a professionalism and a desire . to work in a and a desire. to work in a collaborative partnership way with the with the uk . and i've with the with the uk. and i've also, in my previous role as foreign secretary seen that displayed across a number of other bilateral issues as well . other bilateral issues as well. of course we want to see this

this part of our wider migration plan up and running as quickly as is possible. we feel very strongly that this treaty addresses all the issues raised by their lordships in the supreme court and we have worked very closely with our rwandan partners to ensure that it does so . i cannot see any credible so. i cannot see any credible reason why rwanda's track record as a as a partner, including as as a as a partner, including as a partner for the echr long term partner for the echr , bearing in partner for the echr, bearing in mind the echr , i think sent. 165 mind the echr, i think sent. 165 refugee judges to rwanda the day following the supreme court judgement. so they clearly regard rwanda as a credible long term partner, just as we do so i really hope that we can now move quickly. we we've addressed the

issues that were raised by their lordships in this treaty and that will be reflected in domestic legislation soon because we are absolutely committed and to breaking the business model of these people smuggling gangs to create a self and a safe and welcoming environment with our friends and partners here in rwanda, but also making sure that mass migration is well managed into the future . the future. >> so let me say that rwanda's commitment is driven by our belief in what is right, rather than seeking external validation or praise . and wonder is proud or praise. and wonder is proud to be part of a solution to a global crisis that is a migration crisis . and it is migration crisis. and it is crucial to recognise that the uk supreme court reliance on speculative concern is rooted in unhcr. critic systems

u n hcr. critic systems contradicted unhcr. critic systems contradicted the unhcr own previous expressions of expression of appreciation for rwanda's inclusive refugee policies . so it begs the policies. so it begs the following question how did we go from model to dangerous country in just four short years ? and in just four short years? and how much of this perception is unked how much of this perception is linked to internal uk politics? is this being said ? i would say is this being said? i would say that there is always a room for improvement to any system designed by human beings , designed by human beings, rwandan or british. so this reason why we worked on this treaty and we accepted to partner just to make sure we can improve our asylum system and that we have a fair and transparent system in place for those claimants to be able to appeal or just to have a judgement which is fair and

transparent. okay . transparent. okay. >> thank you very much . transparent. okay. >> thank you very much. um . here >> thank you very much. um. here plura . thompson from the press plura. thompson from the press association on home secretary , association on home secretary, how much additional money has the uk government agreed to pay rwanda in light of this treaty ? rwanda in light of this treaty? >> if you're unable to tell us, can you explain why, please? and a question for dr. barata biruta as well . um could you tell us if as well. um could you tell us if the rwandan government continues to remain committed to this partnership and even if it faces further delays and setbacks or have you set a deadline on when you would withdraw your cooperation? thank you for firstly , let me make it clear

firstly, let me make it clear the rwandan government has not asked for and we have not provided any funding linked to the signing of this treaty . the signing of this treaty. >> the financial arrangement, which inevitably comes as part of an international agreement, refers , affects the costs that refers, affects the costs that may be imposed on rwanda through the changes that this partnership has created in their in their systems, in their legal systems and their and their institutions . but this treaty , institutions. but this treaty, as i say, no money was asked for by the rwandans for this treaty . by the rwandans for this treaty. no money was provided to the rwandans for this treaty . rwandans for this treaty. deaung rwandans for this treaty. dealing with migration is important and it is not a cost free option , but we regard it as free option, but we regard it as the right thing to do, both to protect our borders, to dissuade people from putting themselves in the hands of people smugglers and making these dangerous

journeys , often in unseaworthy journeys, often in unseaworthy vessels , whether it be across vessels, whether it be across the mediterranean or across the channel. rwanda is helping the uk in our fight against illegal migration and people smuggling. they are doing so professionally , thoughtfully and as a as a partner, genuinely willing to work with us on as vincent says, the foreign minister has said, on what is increasingly a global challenge . challenge. >> so one day is very much committed to this migration and economic development partnership and this is the reason why we worked with our colleagues from the uk to address the concerns of the uk supreme court. while we thought they were unfounded or and unfair , but we worked

or and unfair, but we worked together just to address those concerns. so we don't have a plan to withdraw from this collaboration. we have a plan to implement this partnership and we remain open to just monitor the implementation , to be able the implementation, to be able to adjust one or the other element which will not be which will not need to be addressed . will not need to be addressed. and so we are committed to the partnership and you want to have a plan to withdraw from this collaboration . collaboration. >> all right. thank you. we'll take one more question. vincent thank , thank you very much. thank, thank you very much. >> vincent gasana katie price, if i may , dr. biruta um, as has if i may, dr. biruta um, as has been stated, this agreement now treaty of course comes within the context of what is understood or was understood to be a global challenge of human traffickers and smugglers is one

to step forward to play its part. >> um , primarily we've now the >> um, primarily we've now the country now hosts a school from afghanistan. when the taliban took over their country, they have been joined by sudanese medical students. their school is here too. after the conflict in that country. um you've also got this , um, emergency transit got this, um, emergency transit mechanism from libya where it's scarcely believable. people are actually being, um, sold in slave markets and they are now in rwanda and thriving . and in rwanda and thriving. and anyone who's been to the mohamed refugee camp, as i have and seen the refugee who spent 20 plus years over there know that while it's not home, it's a good place for people to bring up their children . um, now, for all of children. um, now, for all of that, in return for all of that, it seems that rwanda is being produced pretty much worldwide in the supreme court. the unhcr, which itself has described rwanda's policy , kc as

rwanda's policy, kc as exemplary. their word bizarrely , exemplary. their word bizarrely, goes to the supreme court and says rwanda is an unsafe country . to be so i wonder is entitled to ask themselves why is it rwanda continuing this agreement? why why are they allowing themselves to be traduced? why not just say, look, we've done our best, we are happy to step forward and participate in what is a global crisis, but we don't want this thrown in our faces anymore. what explanation would you give to them ? why is rwanda bending to them? why is rwanda bending over this ? so we over backwards over this? so we continued with this partnership because we believe that we are doing the right things to contribute to a solution to this global migration crisis . you global migration crisis. you mentioned it. we have refugees in this country from all over the world, from sudan, from afghanistan and from the region . afghanistan and from the region. and we believe that we are doing

the right things in receiving these refugees as the fact is , these refugees as the fact is, there are that there are situations around the world which will continue to produce refugees . and it is not helpful refugees. and it is not helpful for all of to us criticise a country like rwanda, which is contributing to a solution even while we are not even addressing the root causes . i mean, all of the root causes. i mean, all of us are not even addressing the root causes which produce those refugees. i said it. we were unfairly treated . by unfairly treated. by international organisations , by international organisations, by the media, by courts, but we believe that you are doing the right things and those who are criticising us should bring up, should bring up alternatives to the solution. we are proposing . the solution. we are proposing. so let's just move forward and implement what we have agreed

to, to do and just wait for those who are criticising us to see what alternative system they are going to to, propose to this this problem . this problem. >> um, and there we have it. the foreign affairs minister of rwanda answering a question there at this kigali press conference. vincent biruta is the foreign foreign affairs minister sitting there next to james cleverly, the uk new home secretary . secretary. >> d yes, selling that new treaty to both the rwandan audience and of course, our british domestic audience too. so joining us for some reaction is the former bbc presenter roger bolton and journalist and broadcaster dr. mike parry. thank you very much indeed. and thank you for patiently watching that press conference. quite interesting. some of the questions were asked , of questions that were asked, of course, james cleverly, cleverly is in quite tricky situation, is in quite a tricky situation, having only just taken the having only just taken on the job. roger, what did you think of that? do you think this is going to finally work? >> well, it might do, but it won't work before the next

election. lots of election. there'll be lots of legal so this legal challenges. so what this is maybe about is half about, maybe it's about more than this is preserving the conservative party, doing something they hope will something which they hope will hold the conservative party together for to the next election will appeal . election and will appeal. because if the object to because if the judges object to the agreement, then the government , the conservative government, the conservative party, represent them as party, can represent them as being not really interested and just conservative and we'll just vote conservative and we'll deal with the situation. the problem they've got, of course, is been power is there have been in power for so long and brexit, so long and since brexit, immigration has gone through the roof and they were told, vote for we'll control for brexit, we'll control immigration. and they haven't. so what's missing in all of this, then, is a real discussion . the british people have never been consulted on immigration. how much immigration do we want? what do we need ? and there will what do we need? and there will be people in the sector and be people in the care sector and in nhs and elsewhere . and in the nhs and elsewhere. and looking at the ageing population, like me are population, people like me are living too long. we're going to say if we don't have them from abroad, where going to abroad, where are we going to find these people? we need find these people? so we need a proper haven't proper debate. we haven't got one we've now is one now. what we've got now is party politics. by the way,

party politics. and by the way, if enemy of the if you are an enemy of the president rwanda , you'd president of rwanda, you'd better leave the country and you'd after your own you'd better look after your own security because he not security because he is not a nice man . nice man. >> well, this was the concern of the supreme court, concern the supreme court, their concern of refoulement, or however we want pronounce this word, want to pronounce this word, that think refoulement this that i think refoulement this word that we all sort of learnt in the last six months or so. but vincent biruta, but listening to vincent biruta, there parry, the foreign there, mike parry, the foreign affairs minister rwanda, affairs minister of rwanda, he sounded bit offended by sounded a bit offended by the supreme of the uk, saying supreme court of the uk, saying that it was unfounded and unfair. >> their judge well, you would be, wouldn't you? >> they've got a very >> because they've got a very good track record in rwanda over the last 20 years. >> think had better >> i think it's had better economic growth. >> country in >> and almost every country in the world, i think it's changed itself commercial itself into a commercial operation within africa. it's got a good track record on law and order. so i don't blame the minister in kigali for being a bit upset that judges in england who've never been there. i don't think any one of those judges has ever gone to rwanda to try

and see for themselves what the situation is like , are suddenly situation is like, are suddenly passing judgement on them . passing judgement on them. >> well, not a democracy . >> well, it's not a democracy. it's got massive human rights failings . if it's got massive human rights failings. if are an enemy of failings. if you are an enemy of the president , failings. if you are an enemy of the president, you failings. if you are an enemy of the president , you not safe . the president, you are not safe. okay, disappear. okay. >> but they run their country the way they want to run it. >> and what to decide >> and what we have to decide and what we runs country, and what we runs the country, the wants to. the way he wants to. >> that's what saying. it's the way he wants to. >> country. hat saying. it's the way he wants to. >> country. hat runssaying. it's the way he wants to. >> country. hat runs it/ing. it's the way he wants to. >> country. hat runs it the. it's the way he wants to. >> country. hat runs it the way his country. he runs it the way he wants to run it. if we have decided is safe to send decided it is safe to send people there, looked at people there, we've looked at every it and every possible aspect of it and there's no country in there's no perfect country in there's no perfect country in the no perfect the world at all. no perfect country the world. now, i'm country in the world. now, i'm a big fan. >> on. summer less perfect >> hold on. summer less perfect than others. and rwanda, which suffered dreadfully , dreadfully suffered dreadfully, dreadfully with war which with the civil war and which you're right, has you're absolutely right, has done many indeed done wonders in many ways indeed since last 20 years. it's since the last 20 years. it's still not safe if you oppose the president. there isn't a safe country in the world that's 100% safe. >> nowhere , i can assure you. >> nowhere, i can assure you. >> nowhere, i can assure you. >> safer than others. yeah some are than others. are safer than others. >> i tell them that you'll >> but i tell them that you'll find many that safer than find many that are safer than rwanda. and i'm a big fan the rwanda. and i'm a big fan of the rwanda. and i'm a big fan of the rwanda i'm a big fan of

rwanda. and i'm a big fan of the rwafact i'm a big fan of rwanda. and i'm a big fan of the rwafact that i'm a big fan of rwanda. and i'm a big fan of the rwafact that our i'm a big fan of rwanda. and i'm a big fan of the rwafact that our newa big fan of rwanda. and i'm a big fan of the rwafact that our new home an of the fact that our new home secretary, james cleverly, started issue by started the whole issue by saying not a silver bullet . saying it's not a silver bullet. i think that was very encouraging because what he was saying was he saying, look, saying was he was saying, look, i'm all my eggs i'm not putting all my eggs in one for rwanda, but one basket for rwanda, but i will have other options. but this of them. and it this is one of them. and it means excuse me, means they means excuse me, it means they are pressing on with the scheme because nothing else. >> roger, you sound like you don't think it's a good idea for our government to be having any kind of cooperation with rwanda in this respect? >> well, you've got to >> well, i think you've got to be careful. well, i mean, be very careful. well, i mean, i think a lot of think rwanda needs a lot of sympathy understanding and sympathy and understanding and help light of the tragedy help in the light of the tragedy they ago. but they suffered 20 years ago. but you've be realistic about you've got to be realistic about the running this and what the guys running this and what he's doing. and, you know, you're worried about you send you're worried about if you send people there who may be entirely innocent, will they be innocent, whatever will they be safe there? will they be exported back to another country? exported back to another cou but? won't exported back to another coubut? won't be. is >> but they won't be. this is the point today's the whole point of today's meeting. the whole point of today's meywell, what is >> well, this is what is supposed to happen. can supposed to happen. yeah. can you in this you trust people in this question? is question? but the process is underway. is underway. but this is a secondary secondary issue. the primary is what level of

primary issue is what level of immigration do we need? how do we enforce it? >> that's a different know the numbers. >> it's not because the numbers which will be involved in this will be minuscule. no, the link to it is in the next 18 months and i would be surprised over the next five years if there's more couple hundred or more than a couple of hundred or a thousand. >> no, link. >> no, the link. >> no, the link. >> about what about the >> what about what about the money? because one of the journalists there at press journalists there at the press conference asked how much extra money this money is tied to this new treaty. james treaty. i don't believe james cleverly put a number on cleverly has put a number on that. we heard about 15 million, an extra 15. saying. i an extra 15. i'm saying. yeah, i mean, a great deal for mean, it's a great deal for rwanda. yeah, haven't rwanda. yeah, they haven't actually correct me actually had to and correct me if i'm wrong, they actually haven't had to much haven't had to do much yet for that. >> e- e they've some >> they've they've built some facilities, they've facilities, you know, they've got facilities and that. facilities, you know, they've got but lities and that. facilities, you know, they've got but also and that. facilities, you know, they've got but also we've that. facilities, you know, they've got but also we've got1at. facilities, you know, they've got but also we've got to. >> but also we've got to convince the world that we're going through every possible stage it safe there. stage to make it safe there. i mean, to link to what roger just said about immigration numbers, we've have a deterrent. we've got to have a deterrent. we've deterrent to we've got to have a deterrent to people coming here. we people coming here. and if we can get we can get this can get if we can get this scheme that that assumes that we have many immigrants.

have too many immigrants. >> don't think the british >> i don't think the british pubuc public has had properly explained them how dependent explained to them how dependent our health service and social security. >> no, i'm talking about people coming boats, roger. i'm coming over in boats, roger. i'm not about the official not talking about the official numbers. 700,000. >> know, the number >> as you know, the number of people boats is a people coming over in boats is a small minority . small minority. >> but it's the optics of it. >> they're coming here and walking , all walking onto beaches, with all respect, don't bother respect, is that don't bother with respect. >> that a bit of a >> is that is that a bit of a bbc line? >> it sounds like it to me. >> it sounds like it to me. >> it sounds like it to me. >> i haven't haven't been taught what the benefits are of mass immigration. well, people have their experiences, do they not? and there was a recent report saying we're talking about the numbers of dependents being so high, for example. so those aren't skilled workers, are they? >> no, i don't speak for the bbc. i haven't been employed by them about i was them for about 15 months. i was a freelancer. highly a freelancer. i'm highly critical so i don't critical of them. so i don't have a bbc view. but what i do have a bbc view. but what i do have aboutis have a bbc view. but what i do have about is need have a view about is the need for the public to be informed about decisions before they take them. if you look at brexit and i'm saying was right i'm not saying brexit was right or we decided what we or wrong, we decided what we wanted get out of the

wanted to get out of the european union. we didn't decide what going to do when what we were going to do when we're no, did we're out there. no, we did alternative. did. but it hasn't. >> we couldn't into >> we couldn't put it into force. >> and mike, we will have we couldn't force in couldn't put it into force in the we do have go the next hour. we do have to go to our political editor, christopher hope here, who was listening press listening to that press conference. and christopher, what takeaways ? oh, what are your big takeaways? oh, let's see if we can get the sound up there for our political ednon sound up there for our political editor, christopher hope . let's editor, christopher hope. let's try that again in just a moment, because we were listening to the words of james cleverly the home secretary, who was stressing professionalism in all of this . professionalism in all of this. listening to his opening remarks, he stressed how professional the civil service in rwanda was. he talked about the professional attitude of those with whom he was signing this new treaty. >> and who are we to say that's not the case? >> but isn't this a fundamental problem with regards to the deterrent strategy? here? is rwanda to this wonderful growing , lovely, safe country ? yes. or , lovely, safe country? yes. or is it a deterrent? because i

struggle to see how it can be both? no, i tell you why. >> because of all the people coming over in the boats. i believe a big majority of them are not here for the reasons that are being put up, i.e. economic refugees. and that's what they are. they are not coming here to escape a poorer life . we know that because we've life. we know that because we've stopped the albanian problem to a large extent . okay. and a large extent. okay. and albanian people were in a safe country, but they want to come here to work in the economy in this country. >> roger, in theory, do you accept that rwanda style scheme would not be a deterrent? do you think it would lower numbers? people wouldn't get into those boats ? boats? >> w- t- w— w it. i think we need >> i doubt it. i think we need a deterrent. that's i do deterrent. that's right. i do think can. you think of one. think we can. you think of one. hold on a second. can you think of hold on. i think do of one? hold on. i think we do want can, the want to stop, if we can, the boats coming across. but this is a problem compared to the a minor problem compared to the larger and a minor problem compared to the largdanger and a minor problem compared to the largdanger is and a minor problem compared to the largdanger is by and a minor problem compared to the largdanger is by focusing and a minor problem compared to the largdanger is by focusing onlyand the danger is by focusing only on the this, we don't look at the larger question, but we have done we have 300,000

done roger, no, we have 300,000 fewer part of this fewer in it is part of this scheme, part of this meeting today. promised. >> yeah, that's what i'm saying. >> yeah, that's what i'm saying. >> believe the government >> i believe the government that's distinct because that's a distinct thing because the meeting today, the duty today about illegal today is about illegal migration. in parallel. there's this it is law going this other it is law going through have been announced through that have been announced by the home secretary . by the home secretary. >> it is. >> it is. >> but to get back to what mr cleverly about the silver cleverly said about the silver bullet, it's not a silver bullet. got coordinated bullet. he's got a coordinated scheme announcing scheme and he's announcing a drop , a hopeful drop of drop, a hopeful drop of 300,000in official figures 300,000in the official figures with new initiative to stop people coming over in boats. i think a scheme . think it's a good scheme. >> think lot of the public >> i think a lot of the public you sound quite optimistic that actually james cleverly is going you sound quite optimistic that ac'getly james cleverly is going you sound quite optimistic that ac'getly gripes cleverly is going you sound quite optimistic that ac'getly gripes (both �*ly is going you sound quite optimistic that ac'getly gripes (both illegal.ing you sound quite optimistic that ac'gwell,gripes (both illegal.ing you sound quite optimistic that ac'gwell, nobodyooth illegal.ing you sound quite optimistic that ac'gwell, nobody nobodyegal.ing you sound quite optimistic that ac'gwell, nobody nobodyegal.i is >> well, nobody nobody else is doing anything. >> well, nobody nobody else is doiiournything. >> well, nobody nobody else is doiiour viewers and listeners, >> our viewers and listeners, rogen >> our viewers and listeners, roger, trust at. well, roger, have lost trust at. well, they should conservative. >> they should . >> they should. >> they should. >> and they should have lost trust because over 13 years and certainly since brexit, nothing has happened in has significantly happened in terms of immigration. but what hasn't happened either is a proper debate about social care, about old age, about the fact that we've got an ageing

population and we desperately need people to look after those and why have we got so many people, immigrants in care homes? because we don't pay them very much money. and those are the only people we can get to go there now in the future, we've got this problem. got to solve this problem. immigration may or not. immigration may or may not. i think have to think it probably will have to play think it probably will have to play part in this, but let's play a part in this, but let's have a wider discussion. what we're here is we're talking about here is a relatively minor problem. and about the conservative party trying itself together trying to knit itself together for the next election. >> you can't make promises. >> and mike perry will have plenty more in the next on plenty more in the next hour on this. more issues . this. and so many more issues. this afternoon. britain this is good afternoon. britain here on news. don't go here on gb news. don't go anywhere . anywhere. >> it looks like things are heating up . heating up. >> boxt boilers sponsor of weather on gb news is . weather on gb news is. >> hello. welcome to your latest gb news weather update from the met office will stay rather wet and cloudy across southeastern areas throughout the day , but areas throughout the day, but elsewhere it will turn brighter

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gb news aren't getting very . aren't getting very. >> good afternoon, britain. it is 2:00 on tuesday. the 5th of december. it's a done deal. >> the home secretary has signed a landmark new treaty with the rwanda rwanda's foreign affairs minister, vincent biruta has blamed internal uk politics for the supreme court's decision to block the asylum policy and handouts for harry. >> the duke of sussex is back in court demanding the taxpayer pick up the for bill his lavish security detail in the uk. this despite his $100 million documentary deal with netflix . documentary deal with netflix. would you pay for the prince ? would you pay for the prince? >> and rishi suffers defeat . >> and rishi suffers defeat. it's a seismic moment in westminster last night as rishi sunak loses his first commons vote as prime minister despite a notional majority of 56. is this the beginning of the end for rishi sunak .

rishi sunak. >> and we're learning more news out of aberfan, the town in south wales, where a serious incident took place . armed incident took place. armed officers attended the incident this morning, which happened shortly after 9 am. >> yes, we understand . and a >> yes, we understand. and a number of schools were put in lockdown in the small village surrounding area and police were at the scene very quickly indeed. we'll bring you more updates from charlie peters, our reporter who's on the story this afternoon . afternoon. >> but before all of that, let's get to your headlines with sam . get to your headlines with sam. >> i'm good, thanks. how are you i >> -- >> yeah, can tom, emily, thanks very much. >> good afternoon . it's just >> good afternoon. it's just gone. one minute. one, two, three, four, five. room. well as

we've been hearing, the home secretary has signed a new asylum treaty in rwanda with details expected to be discussed in the commons tomorrow . new uk in the commons tomorrow. new uk law is also expected to be rushed through parliament, declaring rwanda a safe country for seekers who arrive in for asylum seekers who arrive in britain . well, speaking a few britain. well, speaking a few moments ago , james cleverly said moments ago, james cleverly said the new agreement is the best first step towards the government's asylum plans . government's asylum plans. >> rwanda has now established a strong reputation for all the humane and professional administration of refugees and migrants. this is something understood by the uk and the multilateral community. the treaty that we signed today built on that joint work. it takes the positive professional attitude that you and your government display and allies.

it with the work that the uk is doing to ensure here that we break the business model of those evil people smuggling gangs. >> us meanwhile here in the uk, as we've been hearing, armed police are now searching for a male suspect after a woman was stabbed in the town of aberfan in south wales. stabbed in the town of aberfan in south wales . police are in south wales. police are urging people to avoid the area after a 29 year old woman was attacked at around 9:10 this morning. it's understood she's been taken to hospital and her injuries aren't believed to be life threatening. but schools and a community centre have activated their lockdown protocols as the search for the suspect continues . junior suspect continues. junior doctors will stage more strikes in england this month and into the new year. after talks with the new year. after talks with the government have stalled . the government have stalled. negotiations have been ongoing for the past five weeks in an effort to find a resolution for the ongoing dispute. the british medical association says the government has offered a pay increase of which it

increase of just 3, which it says amounts to a pay cut for many doctors. the first walkouts are due to start across england from 7 am. on the 20th of december. the high court has been told that the impact of a successful attack on the duke of sussex should have been considered when his security arrangements were changed. prince harry was stripped of special protections normally afforded to the royals when he decided to step back from his role in 2020. his lawyers say a failure to carry out a risk analysis meant he was treated in analysis meant he was treated in an unlawful and unfair way when he was provided with different kinds of security while visiting the uk with his family here in the uk with his family here in the uk, tory mps voted against the uk, tory mps voted against the government last night in favour of speeding up compensation for the victims of the infected blood scandal . 22 the infected blood scandal. 22 conservatives backed the labour led amendment to set up a body to operate the compensation scheme. it was the prime minister's first defeat in the commons with the haemophilia

society saying rishi sunak should be ashamed that he was forced to do the right thing around 30,000 people were given contaminated blood in the 1970s and 1980s and since then 3000 have died . trans women prisoners have died. trans women prisoners who've been who have hurt or threatened women or girls will not be held in female prisons in scotland . and that's under a new scotland. and that's under a new policy set out by the scottish pnson policy set out by the scottish prison service, which will take an individualised approach to housing transgender people . it housing transgender people. it means some prisoners will initially be placed in male prisons until more information is known about whether they should be housed in accordance with their chosen gender. scotland justice secretary says the policy supports the rights of both transgender people and the welfare of prisoners and staff . bill gates has struck an staff. bill gates has struck an optimist tone as he discussed this year's cop 28 climate wmmw this year's cop 28 climate summit. the philanthropy list, and co—founder of microsoft dismissed concerns that the is taking place in the oil rich uae. he said that it was

important that countries in the gulf are engaged in discussions. speaking at the climate and growth conference in paris, he said this year's cop has done a better job of highlighting the role of innovation . role of innovation. >> i was thrilled with what i saw at that cop. the cop did a better job on innovation , better job on innovation, adaptation and thinking about food and health than any previous cop. now, i say that knowing that yes , we are behind knowing that yes, we are behind on our short term goals so , you on our short term goals so, you know, it's a cop, maybe two thirds full and we need to keep doubung thirds full and we need to keep doubling down on on this cause . doubling down on on this cause. >> for more on those stories and many more, you can get us on your tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker. just say play gb news. now, though, it's back to tom and .

emily >> well, of course, as we've been seeing in the last half an houn been seeing in the last half an hour, the home secretary james cleverly, has been giving a press conference in the rwandan capital kigali, this after capital of kigali, this after signing a new asylum treaty with the east african country. >> yes, the secretary has >> yes, the home secretary has said new treaty ensures said that the new treaty ensures asylum seekers won't sent asylum seekers won't be sent back to their home countries and added that he hopes to have the plan up and running as soon as possible. well listening to the press conference and indeed watching that pen touch the paper was our gb news political ednon paper was our gb news political editor, christopher hope. >> christopher , how significant >> christopher, how significant is this moment and can it really get around all of that criticism of the supreme court. unfortunate >> we do not have christopher hope there. he is mute to us, but we will be speaking to david hague , who is an international hague, who is an international human rights lawyer, to get his perspective , too. david, thank

perspective, too. david, thank you very much indeed for joining us. i think we should put that question that you were just about to pose to christopher hope there. david, thank you very your time. is this very much for your time. is this new it a landmark new treaty, is it a landmark treaty? it enough to get treaty? is it enough to get around of those legal issues around all of those legal issues that have held up this policy so far, like . far, like. >> good afternoon to you both. i mean, the short answer is no. >> i mean, i don't know whether to laugh or cry when i see james cleverly >> and yet more promises and no action. i mean, this is nothing is going to happen in the next 12 months. you know , all that's 12 months. you know, all that's happened now, we'll see the detail is that they've entered into a treaty , which is one of into a treaty, which is one of the things that the supreme court needed to done to court said needed to be done to make this policy legal, as it were, with our current our current laws. now, this obviously, when he comes back to the uk, this still has to go through domestic legislation. so it go through it still has to go through parliament. obviously still parliament. it obviously still has the house lords has to pass the house of lords and then it end up in court and then it will end up in court battles so bearing in battles as well. so bearing in mind it took a year from the

high court on the rwanda policy to say it okay, the supreme to say it was okay, the supreme court say no, no and court to say no, no year and a half for it to go through that process altogether. nothing's going time soon. going to happen any time soon. >> david, we are also >> but david, we are also expecting this emergency legislation. so it is a two pronged approach . as far as pronged approach. as far as we've heard from the government so far. could that change change the course for government? i don't think so. >> i mean, even if you listen to what james cleverly and the government is saying, they're saying they're saying that they're not expecting until expecting any changes until spnng expecting any changes until spring year in any event. spring next year in any event. so and that's why their own timetable. then we look timetable. and then when we look also, you know, i think one thing government has thing that the government has shown we can't is shown that we can't trust is things they say immigration. things they say on immigration. david cameron, lord cameron, who's in the government who's back in the government now, in, you know, when he now, back in, you know, when he was was saying was prime minister, was saying that he would bring immigration down of thousands. down to tens of thousands. yesterday hundreds of yesterday we saw hundreds of thousands so really you thousands. and so it really you can't trust a word they say. and there simply isn't the time. it's too little . it's too late. it's too little. it's too late. it's too little. it's too late. it nothing will change in the

next 12 months. >> isn't perhaps shapps the interest active thing here that now we've got the treaty, we'll get this emergency legislation, perhaps a vote in the house of commons next week, then it has to go to the house of lords where the conservative party only hold one third of the seats in that house. if it's the house of lords that then stop the legislation in its tracks that then kibosh the government's plans from a political rather than a legal perspective is it then that the conservative prime minister can say, look, i'm doing all i can to get this off the ground, but the liberal democrats and the labour lords are stopping me with their combined votes in the lords. does he then take it to the country ? country? >> well, i think i think i think tom, you hit the nail on the head.i tom, you hit the nail on the head. i think and i've said all along one of the things that i think trying do is think they're trying to do is weaponize these immigration effectively and migrants coming weaponize these immigration effecti�*ony and migrants coming weaponize these immigration effecti�*ony anychannelts coming weaponize these immigration effecti�*ony anychannel and ming weaponize these immigration effecti�*ony anychannel and theg across on the channel and the rwanda plan to basically win votes. and that fails, they

votes. and if that fails, they can blame someone. so causing problems, fights. they problems, causing fights. they can be seen as the so—called immigration heroes that will fix it. there's actual it. yet there's no actual heroics. as i can see. heroics. as far as i can see. and so, you know, blaming the lords, doesn't go through, lords, if it doesn't go through, blaming courts , blaming the european courts, blaming the european courts, blaming everyone the people blaming everyone but the people that power for that have been in power for 13 years. david, years. well all right, david, you clearly aren't impressed by this particular policy and you believe the legal obstacles are too for it to ever come to too great for it to ever come to pass. >> so what's the solution then? because we can't keep having thousands of migrants crossing the channel every year. >> i mean, i think there's lots of things that need to be done now. you know, there's no reason why a foreign country cannot be safe for us to send asylum seekers to. and i'm not against that. what they should have done in the first place is done their homework on the rwanda policy made sure elements like this treaty or whatever was needed to be done as a supreme court said was one, not years. was done on day one, not years. and tens of millions of pounds down the line. similarly, get a

good in place so that good system in place so that when people come over, we deal with effectively that with them effectively so that they're on asylum they're not people on the asylum waiting for decisions waiting for asylum decisions here for years , costing the here for years, costing the british millions and british taxpayer millions and millions millions. it millions and millions. it doesn't three for decade doesn't take three for a decade to look at someone's asylum application. so sort that problem out, protect the borders more than we are, have better relationships with our neighbouring countries. there are many things that we can do. we also need to look at legal immigration as well. legal immigration as well. legal immigration in a better in a better way. i mean, i'm sure we've all gone of the we've all gone out of the country through airports. how many times has anyone checked any one of our passports? so we don't here and don't even know who's here and who's go to other who's not? you go to other countries, checks when countries, you have checks when people come out. so people come in and out. so there's so practical things there's so many practical things that can do that for that they can do that for whatever reason they're not doing but they just can't doing them. but they just can't seem to a grip. seem to get a grip. >> what do mean, with the >> what do you mean, with the past? david, do you past? sorry, david, what do you mean passports? we mean with the passports? we obviously passports mean with the passports? we obviousl'only passports mean with the passports? we obviousl'only pyou orts mean with the passports? we obviousl'only pyou come in. checked only when you come in. right. you in. so right. when you come in. so you're that you're an

overstayer. >> if you're an overstayer. emily so, instance, emily so, for instance, a student or you're on student overstay or you're on work permit overstay or you're not be here or you're not meant to be here or you're someone that's come here illegally, we don't if illegally, we don't know if you've out the country right. >> f- right. >> yes. not good when >> okay. yes. not good when you're manage the borders. >> and it is interesting that so many other do this. many other countries do this. i suppose mean that suppose it would mean that it's sort of more hassle at airports. i wonder that's the reason we i wonder if that's the reason we don't it. david, on your don't do it. but david, on your list things, of list of other things, a lot of people with that if it people can live with that if it means have some control means that we have some control over your of other over on your list of other things. david the things. david perhaps the government they are government would say they are doing deal doing this. they've signed deal after france. we now after deal with france. we now have oversight patrols have joint oversight of patrols on beaches , facilities on french beaches, facilities being with british money being built with british money in northern france. and indeed these new operations in turkey finding out these supply chains of the criminal gangs, perhaps the government would say all of this litany of different things that you suggest they're doing . that you suggest they're doing. >> but, tom, they've had 13 years and so far , no one's gone years and so far, no one's gone to rwanda. there's a few people on a barge that cost us

ridiculous amounts of money that's still stuck in in legal battle . so these are the you battle. so these are the you know, it's not a new government andifs know, it's not a new government and it's not for them to kind of blame all the previous home secretaries. we've had three home the space of home secretaries in the space of the space of year. so they've the space of a year. so they've had years there comes time had 13 years there comes a time when i think need when i think we need to say enough enough we a enough is enough and we need a change government. change of government. >> but to be fair to the government point, government on that point, the small boats as an issue, of course, migration course, illegal migration has been, old as time. been, you know, as old as time. but small boats has been but the small boats has been quite a recent issue since sort of 2018, 2018, we saw this sort of 2018, 2018, we saw this sort of new wave and other european countries are seeing a wave of migration . migration. >> and james cleverly would say and did say in the house of commons two weeks ago when he became home home secretary we illegal crossings to down illegal crossings to the uk down by average by a third in the average european country. illegal immigrants to those countries have been up by a third in the last year . last year. >> well, absolutely. i mean, you know, they are they are saying some of the right things, you know, and you know , give them know, and you know, give them credit they said

credit when they have said the right not about right things. but it's not about saying it's actually saying things. it's actually what want is what what we really want is what i want know, from want to see, you know, from a from from a perspective as a from a from a perspective as a brit, also a human rights brit, but also as a human rights lawyer. i want to see our borders properly protected. lawyer. i want to see our bordeto properly protected. lawyer. i want to see our bordeto propgenuine ected. lawyer. i want to see our bordeto propgenuine asylum want to see genuine asylum seekers our help being seekers that need our help being able come the country able to come into the country and villainized . and and not being villainized. and then obviously the fake asylum seekers and those people that profit from that being being being dealt with and being brought to brought to justice in the the people the case of the people smugglers, isn't smugglers, that really isn't happening as much as it should be this is a government be because this is a government that's doing this. you know, this is our government. this is this is our government. and don't think they're doing this is this is our government. aiverydon't think they're doing this is this is our government. aivery goodthink they're doing this is this is our government. aivery good job.: they're doing this is this is our government. aivery good job. and y're doing this is this is our government. aivery good job. and ine doing this is this is our government. aivery good job. and in anying a very good job. and in any event, mean, you know, i don't event, i mean, you know, i don't see to rwanda any see anyone going to rwanda any time see anyone going to rwanda any timwell see anyone going to rwanda any tim well , there you go, david. >> well, there you go, david. hey, international human rights lawyer, thank you very much for your really your perspective. really appreciate . on the show. he's appreciate it. on the show. he's not impressed the not impressed with the government's i think government's attempts, i think it's let's it's fair to say. right let's try christopher hope again and see gremlins have left see if the gremlins have left the building and we're able to. christopher, can you hear. us >> i can hear you clearly. can

you hear me, emily? >> third time lucky there we have it. christopher hope, what's your analysis this ? what's your analysis this? >> well, while i've been off air trying to get on air, i've been reading about the detail of the rwanda treaty. >> and there are measures in there that are designed to reassure the supreme court. tom and emily, notably , they're and emily, notably, they're going to enhance the functions of independent monitoring of an independent monitoring committee ensure compliance committee to ensure compliance acas conditions . acas with reception conditions. so when migrants are taken from the uk to rwanda, they're treated properly to ensure that the processing of asylum claims is done correctly. and there's treatment and support for five years after the end of the of the processing of the migrant who comes from the uk. there's also a new appeal body being written into the rwandan asylum system. all these measures are designed to reassure the uk judges that the government that they anyone sent there from this country arriving here illegally will be treated properly and given the same kind of dignity

they would were they were they being processed in the uk , the being processed in the uk, the foreign the foreign minister for rwanda burrata did say and i think with reason expressed a degree of upset, almost the way rwanda has been treated and talked about. they feel it's been unfairly treated by international bodies , by the international bodies, by the media. and if you look on twitter and people, people are being rather unkind about rwanda. i've been there . it does rwanda. i've been there. it does feel like a country of law and order. i mean , it does feel order. i mean, it does feel a safe country . but of course, i'm safe country. but of course, i'm i'm coming from a position of privilege as a tourist. but i think there's a feeling in rwanda of bruised by the rwanda of being bruised by the criticism from the critics of the governments immigration policy. and this these these measures in this treaty . tom, measures in this treaty. tom, emily may go some way to reassure them. i mean, this policy is getting quite expensive now for 140 million, i believe an extra 15 million. >> it seems great for the rwandan side as we said. please

tell us more about that . tell us more about that. >> well, well, on that, yes, you're absolutely right. 140 million has been sunk into the scheme already with no apparent result, no , forget this idea of result, no, forget this idea of these rwandan plane, the flying migrants may many male migrants to rwanda for processing was first come up with by the government. one year, five months and 20 days ago. so since then, 63,000 migrants have arrived over the south coast of the country and nothing has happened. so, yes, it is. this is why the money is being sunk in to try and make the system work. the government is very clear today that no money has changed hands as a result of the signing of this treaty. but if you print, you look at the small print, they say that there's they do say that there's obviously a financial arrangement there'll arrangement because there'll be inevitable this inevitable costs as part of this of this agreement. now suddenly, inevitable costs as part of this of tsundayement. now suddenly, inevitable costs as part of this of tsundayement.of ow suddenly, inevitable costs as part of this of tsundayement.of the ;uddenly, inevitable costs as part of this of tsundayement.of the weekend the sunday times of the weekend said £15 million. the government said £15 million. the government said they didn't recognise that figure. but clearly there is a figure. but clearly there is a figure out there which will be the cost of processing these these migrants when they arrive

from the uk to rwanda . it's not from the uk to rwanda. it's not exactly money up front , but it's exactly money up front, but it's certainly money to support the cost of dealing with those applications . applications. >> emily and tom well, christopher hope, thank you so much for bringing us the detail there. and perhaps it a there. and perhaps it was a blessing had blessing after all that we had some connection problems with you initially. so you go you initially. so you could go through detail, which we do through that detail, which we do appreciate much. for appreciate so much. thanks for joining some spin. >> there's some spin. >> there's some spin. >> go . >> there we go. >> there we go. >> always see the brighter side, the lining. shall we talk >> always see the brighter side, the the lining. shall we talk >> always see the brighter side, the the royals?5hall we talk about the royals? >> let's do that. the prince harry's challenge against >> let's do that. the prince har home challenge against >> let's do that. the prince har home officeillenge against >> let's do that. the prince har home office overje against >> let's do that. the prince har home office over security ;t the home office over security arrangements is being heard at the high court today. >> yes, the duke of sussex is challenging decision not challenging a decision not allowing him and his family the same degree protection when same degree of protection when visiting the uk. >> well , our visiting the uk. >> well, our royal correspondent, cameron walker joins us now, not from the high court, from the royal courts of justice. apologies for the error. a moment ago . cameron, error. a moment ago. cameron, what's . on what's going. on >> well, tom, this morning, both sides, lawyers for prince harry and lawyers for the home office

have been giving their opening arguments the high court case arguments at the high court case in london. shaheed fatima kc, representing prince harry, says that everybody has the right to security and safety, including, of course, prince harry and that ravec that's the home office committee that decides that prince harry's security was going to change when he stepped back as a working member of the royal family, did not follow its own written policy and chose not to do a risk analysis. that was the allegation heard in court. now, she also says that the decision taken by the home office committee and was taken in february 2020, which was a month before prince harry stepped back as a working member of the royal family. now in britain , submissions, written britain, submissions, written arguments. she also referred to an incident in june 2021 where an incident in june 2021where prince harry no longer a working member of the royal family, but was back in the uk to attend a charity event that his car was chased by paparazzi through the streets of in the united kingdom because he didn't have that

adequate metropolitan police protection . now, in response to protection. now, in response to that, sir james protection. now, in response to that, sirjames eadie kc, representing the home office, says that as part of the agreement by ravec, the home office committee, when they changed prince harry's security , changed prince harry's security, was that if harry returns to the uk from california, he needed to provide 28 days notice for the metropolitan police to have enough planning time to come up with security arrangements for prince harry on that occasion. prince harry on that occasion. prince harry on that occasion. prince harry only gave 17 days nofice prince harry only gave 17 days notice that he was coming back to the uk. so james eady also went on to say that that the home office committee , it was home office committee, it was never about taking away prince harry security entirely. it's just that it would not be of the same degree and it would be done on a case by case basis. he also made the point that there's a finite there's finite public resource . the states provide the resource. the states provide the security , i.e. taxpayers, our security, i.e. taxpayers, our money has to go towards paying certain members of the royal family and individual and that

it was plainly rational and lawful for ravec to consider that the duke of sussex had stepped back as a working member of the royal family he also said that the death of diana, princess of wales, prince harry's , who died in a harry's mother, who died in a car crash in paris in 1997, was taken into account when ravec was these decisions back was making these decisions back in february 2020 and added that it was likely that significant pubuc it was likely that significant public upsets would happen . and public upsets would happen. and if there was a successful attack on the duke of sussex on uk soil, he said all of that was taken into account and on the balance of probabilities , that balance of probabilities, that is the decision that rabbit came up with, that prince harry's security would be decided on a case by case basis . but here is case by case basis. but here is what the british public think . what the british public think. >> normally pay for >> harry should normally pay for his security out of his own private security out of his own private security out of his own private security out of his own funds. >> he's not a member of the royal family as such. and also because he's still owns a lot of money through other different means and should therefore has got plenty of sufficient funds to pay for his own private

security . security. >> so if he pays for it himself, he's welcome back. but not for us to pay . us to pay. >> you could always make a gesture, honey, that would please everybody at the end of the day, he's still the king's son, why shouldn't he be son, so why shouldn't he be looked after? >> think taxpayer >> i don't think any taxpayer should be paying for the monarchy i think the monarchy anymore. i think the state of this country, the state of nhs, the amount of of the nhs, the amount of homeless people on the streets. yes, much yes, i think we've got much bigger issues that we should be paying paying for. >> should pay for >> i think he should pay for his own he's going be royal own if he's going to be royal family, he wants to family, if he wants to come oven family, if he wants to come over, pay for it. over, let him pay for it. >> he that he didn't >> he decided that he didn't want part of royal want to be part of the royal family anymore. so, no, he was born the royal family he born into the royal family he had choice . and i do think had no choice. and i do think although everything that has happened, i think a lot has been wrong on harry's part . but i do wrong on harry's part. but i do think they do owe him still some sort of . protection. protection, sort of. protection. protection, yeah . yeah. >> now, a lot of people were saying there that prince harry needs to pay for his own police

protection. he did bring a separate legal challenge against the office order to try the home office in order to try and them allow him even and allow them to allow him even to pay for his own police protection . that was actually protection. that was actually struck of court. so he's struck out of court. so he's been told he cannot pay for his own metropolitan police protection. but this is a two and a half day hearing here in the in london, and the high court in london, and the high court in london, and the judge is expected to make his decision at a later date. >> and cameron is one of the ladies in your boxers there mentioned, , this is mentioned, of course, this is because of prince harry's own personal decision to leave the uk and to move to california. >> and leave the royal family in many ways. and so this wouldn't be a this wouldn't be a problem if he'd stayed . here if he'd stayed. here >> yeah. as he said, he no longer carries out duties on behalf of the sovereign king charles iii or indeed queen elizabeth ii. and it was his choice to step back and no longer receive a taxpayer funded money or security . and if you

money or security. and if you remember what the late queen said to him following that sandringham summit, where they thrashed out the deal of prince harry no longer being a working member of the royal family, it was could not be was decided that he could not be half in, half out. he's either fully a working member of the royal or not at all. royal family or not at all. and he chose not at all. >> and i suppose moving to california has enabled him to make 20 million off his book, 20 million off spotify, 100 million off his netflix deal, reportedly. perhaps he can afford it after all. cameron walker, thank you so much for joining us outside the royal court of justice, also known as the high court. >> do you think prince harry understands the public opinion on this ? no. do you think he on this? no. do you think he doesn't care ? doesn't care? >> he understands very much at all. i don't know. >> it just seems a little bit. >> it just seems a little bit. >> i'm sure he's a lovely bloke, but i'm not sure he's taking the home office to court a bit much, isn't comprehension of much. isn't it? comprehension of much. >> anyway, we're going be >> but anyway, we're going to be going that big migration going back to that big migration announcement. course, announcement. and of course, james cleverly that james cleverly signing that

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amendment to speed up these efforts to compensate . the efforts to compensate. the victims of the infected blood scandal. >> right. let's get the latest with gb news political correspondent katherine forster, who is at downing us. who is at downing street for us. catherine, the catherine, can you bring us the latest scandal how latest on this scandal and how it's government . it's impacting the government. >> yes, good afternoon from downing street, where a group of mps and victims of this horrendous infected blood scandal all have just hand—delivered a letter to number 10, a number letter to number 11 will be going in shortly. and i'm joined now by conservative mp damian green, former deputy prime minister of course, he was one of 22 conservative rebels to defy the three line whip last night to back diana johnson's amended moment. let's talk to him now. damian, thank you for joining us on gb news. can you tell us why you felt it was so important to back this amendment and what difference it will make?

>> well, i hope the difference it make will it will it will make will be it will speed process where the speed up the process where the compensation that people, compensation that the people, the this appalling the victims of this appalling scandal to get, that scandal deserve to get, that they'll get it faster and i thought it was the right thing to do because of the length of time. i mean, this is scandal time. i mean, this is a scandal that dates back to the 1970s, the to grip the first government to grip it was theresa may's and was theresa may's and when and when theresa said this is a scandal, to do something scandal, we need to do something about in charge of it about it. i was in charge of it as deputy for period, and as her deputy for a period, and that's ago now. so that's six years ago now. so even from the time when the state accepted responsibility, it's taken us six years to get to this stage. that's too long, let alone the decades before, before we accepted responsibility . responsibility. >> we and people are still dying now at the rate of one every four days, aren't they ? why do four days, aren't they? why do you . money people not wanting to you. money people not wanting to accept responsibility and ultimately not wanting to pay what looks like being a very big bill, potentially up to £22 billion, i'm afraid to say.

>> i think certainly once people started working out what the compensation might be, that money would be part of it. compensation might be, that money would be part of it . and i money would be part of it. and i get that it's a huge sums of money potentially , so i can see money potentially, so i can see why the treasury is wary of it. but i think the you know, why it took the medical profession and everyone else involved literally decades before they acknowledged the mistakes that were made when people had been dying, i think is obviously a subject for the inquiry tree. but but by any standard is the word scandal is overused . this this is overused. this this is a scandal. and it is something for which in the end the british state has to take responsibility and therefore has to pay up. >> yes, a huge failure of the state, isn't it? and how did you first hear about about these cases ? was it a constituent? cases? was it a constituent? what was your first involvement? well, i do have constituents who are involved as well. >> obviously, there was my involvement secretary. involvement as first secretary. but a constituent of mine who were here today who helped hand

in , one of my in the letter, one of my constituents had his father and two uncles who were all killed by contaminated blood. so, yes, ihave by contaminated blood. so, yes, i have a long constituency involvement as well as my ministerial involvement when i was a minister. >> damian green, thank you very much for talking to us today. >> damian green, thank you very much for talking to us today . so much for talking to us today. so hopes now that these families who have basically been fighting for decades, these are people that were infected with contaminated blood , sent over contaminated blood, sent over from america , this product from america, this product factor eight, that was made from pooled blood from hundreds of different people, america had very lax restrictions . very lax restrictions. basically, people were paid for blood donations. so you had a drug addicts, prisoners, prostitutes , people that were prostitutes, people that were down on their luck giving blood. it was then pooled. and if any one of them was infected with hepatitis c or later hiv, then that blood was then given to either haemophiliacs or ordinary people in a blood transfusion. then they were infected and the

warnings were there . from the warnings were there. from the mid 1970s. there was a world in action documentary that was catalogued ing these risks. but people raising them were ignored . but the risks were known. they were brushed it under the carpet. britain was not self—sufficient in blood , and self—sufficient in blood, and even when they had a big appeal to get more blood, given they didn't have the facilities then to process it, to make it into what they needed. so it continued . so it really is an continued. so it really is an absolute scandal and it does look like now at last, the victims might be coming close to some sort of resolution. >> thank you very much indeed, katherine forster, our political correspondent there outside number 10 downing street. very interesting to hear from damian green. he is, of course, is one of the conservative mps who voted government voted against the government with labour amendment. he with that labour amendment. he clearly believes that compensation be compensation needs to be given much quicker than it currently is as well. we've got lots more to come up on the show, but

first let's get to your news bulletins . bulletins. >> emily, thanks very much. good afternoon . it's just gone 3 to afternoon. it's just gone 3 to 35, in fact . i'm sam francis in 35, in fact. i'm sam francis in the newsroom . the home secretary the newsroom. the home secretary has signed a new asylum treaty with rwanda . it details expected with rwanda. it details expected to be discussed in the commons tomorrow. new uk law is also expected to be rushed through parliament, declaring rwanda a safe country for asylum seekers who arrive in britain . james who arrive in britain. james cleverly says the agreement resolves all of the supreme court's legal concerns. >> rwanda has now established a strong reputation for the humane and professional administration of refugees and migrants. this is something long understood by the uk and the multilateral community. the treaty that we

signed today builds on that joint work . it takes the joint work. it takes the positive professional attitude that you and your government display and allies. it with the work that the uk is doing to ensure our that we break the business model of those evil people smuggling gangs. here in the uk. >> junior doctors will stage more strikes in england this month and into january after talks with the government stalled . negotiations have been stalled. negotiations have been ongoing for the past weeks ongoing for the past five weeks in effort find in an effort to find a resolution to the ongoing dispute , the bma says the dispute, the bma says the government offered pay government has offered a pay increase just which it increase of just 3, which it says amounts to a pay cut for many doctors . the first walkouts many doctors. the first walkouts are due to start across england from a.m. are due to start across england from am. on the 20th of from 7 am. on the 20th of december. armed police are searching for a male suspect after a woman was stabbed in the town of aberfan in south wales. police are urging people to avoid the area after a 28, 29

year old woman was attacked at around 9:10 this morning. it's understood she's been taken to hospital , understood she's been taken to hospital, but her injuries aren't believed to be life threatening. meanwhile, schools and community centres in the area have activated their lockdown protocols as the search for the suspect continues . and for the suspect continues. and you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gbnews.com . gbnews.com. >> for a valuable legacy, your family can own. >> gold coins will always shine bright. rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report . report. >> well, here's a quick snapshot of today's markets. the pound will buy you $1.2627 and ,1.1671. the price of gold is £1,605.03 per ounce, and the ftse is at ftse 100 is at 7476 points. rosalind gold proudly

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>> the camilla tominey show sunday mornings from 9.30 on . sunday mornings from 9.30 on. gb news. >> good afternoon, britain . >> good afternoon, britain. >> good afternoon, britain. >> welcome back. the duke of sussex is back in court demanding the taxpayer pick up the bill for his lavish security detail in the uk. is it simply a royal joke? we'll find out. we're joined by former bbc presenter bolton and the

presenter roger bolton and the journalist broadcaster mike journalist and broadcaster mike parry. so you heard cameron walker, who was outside the royal court of justice , also royal court of justice, also known as the high court. yes. also known as the high court. should taxpayers pay for prince harry's protection? is this decision unfair here? >> well, they haven't made a decision yet . decision yet. >> previous decision? >> previous decision? >> previous. well look, he's always going to get some protection. this isn't about whether he gets protection. it's how think that how much. and i think that actually, doesn't deserve actually, harry doesn't deserve much protection. mean, if much more protection. i mean, if he's to be working he's going to be a working royal, if he's going to come to this he's going this country and if he's going to do his duties, fine. give him all protection. that's all the protection. that's sensible. but if he's going to stay pursue stay in california and pursue pubuchy stay in california and pursue publicity that publicity and a lot of that pubuchy publicity and a lot of that publicity result of telling publicity is a result of telling tales true or false about the royal family basically royal family and basically saying put upon saying what a poor put upon creature is for several creature he is for several million pounds worth of publicity. i mean , really ? no, i publicity. i mean, really? no, i think he's i don't understand. i suspect and it's totally unfair probably to me to say this, that his wife is saying you go and tell him, harry, you go and tell

him when the kids come over. i want level attention want the same level of attention and detail as prince william's as the prince of wales. it must be something to with that. be something to do with that. >> mike perry, do you think that there's an element tragedy there's an element of tragedy here? because, course, diana here? because, of course, diana lost security detail and lost her security detail and that weighing heavily on him. >> yeah, i feel very sorry for prince harry. i think one of these days he's going to wake up in his mansion in california, in montecito and say to himself, what have i done? because he's left everything that was dear to him behind to pursue a new life. and i agree with roger. i don't think that new life was necessarily his own individual evil plan. think it was a plan evil plan. i think it was a plan that came together once he met meghan . i'm not knocking, meghan. i'm not knocking, meghan. i'm not knocking, meghan. i'm not being misogynist and she's a very and all that, but she's a very ambitious and harry has ambitious woman and harry has gone with those ambitions. gone along with those ambitions. now, as for security in this country, i totally agree with rogen country, i totally agree with roger. how can he possibly want to be in royal family for to be in the royal family for things having royal things like having royal security in this country, but out of the royal family when he

wants to endorse? and i would say that harry and meghan have endorsed the book end game by not decrying it and not speaking up and saying it's all rubbish . up and saying it's all rubbish. their silence to me is an endorsement of it and that is a brutal assault on both the royal family. his father, the king and the queen. and i don't think he should even be allowed to come back into this country. >> this is deeply worrying because i'm in total agreement with mean, this with my parents. i mean, this isn't we're supposed do . isn't what we're supposed to do. >> put the other side . >> let me put the other side. all right. >> let me put the other side. all thet. >> let me put the other side. all the other side, because one >> the other side, because one of arguments is that even if of the arguments is that even if he paid for the best security guards ever and the best intelligence and whatever , it intelligence and whatever, it would not compare to what royal members of the working royal family receive paid for by the home office. >> but one of the things they do is working and getting out in the country and needing protection. all over the place. he's not working in this country. travelling in country. he's not travelling in this a target. this country, but he's a target. he's they're he's a target. they're all targets. should take targets. you should take precautions. but he's not as exposed this

exposed as you would be in this country. travelling country. or if he's travelling the world, he's in california and a great deal of and he's made a great deal of money his is making a money and his wife is making a great out of money, out of great deal out of money, out of being to royal being connected to the royal family. this is family. do you think this is just picking no, just about picking a fight? no, it's about and it's about it's about status and it's about it's about status and it's and it's it's about celebrity and it's about particular both of them wanting to have everything that goes with being a member of the family and yet having no responsibility. >> but it's also publicity as well . one of the reasons that well. one of the reasons that the king won't speak to his son anymore is because knows that anymore is because he knows that anything says could end up in anything he says could end up in anything he says could end up in a film or a book. the a netflix film or a book. the other thing that roger made about that security , it's about that security, it's absolutely true. i don't know if you've ever been to royal ascot or epsom derby. sorry to or to the epsom derby. sorry to royal ascot. when the royals are there , you find snipers with there, you find snipers with rifles on top of all the roofs, in all the buildings around there. that's the level of security that you have a private security that you have a private security . security. >> you have snipers . >> you have snipers. >> you have snipers. >> that's exactly what i'm saying. so what harry's asking

for is the full monty security, where every movement is watched. there is literally a plainclothes policeman on the corner of every street that he's walking down. and that would run into millions of pounds. that's why he does want to pay for it himself. >> the fundamental problem isn't there that he wants. he says he wants privacy, and yet the two of them everything get of them do everything to get as much can. much publicity as they can. >> international privacy law seems out pretty seems to be working out pretty well through some well to go through some of the numbers. £20 million. the estimated revenue from his book spare £20 million. the reported deal with spotify for podcast rights, some of which may not all be materialising, and $100 million. this netflix deal adding up to $140 million at least. yeah >> but i think the problem they've got now and it's becoming rather evident is they are a one trick pony and the one trick is to keep attacking the royal family. and the one trick is to keep whinging and moaning about how badly done to they

have been by the royal family. that's all running out of steam now, isn't it? >> yes. but meghan markle , of >> yes. but meghan markle, of course, is trying to present herself as a future star, potentially lots about politics as well. >> could you ever see her getting into politics? >> could you really? >> could you really? >> can. deeper into politics. >> i can. deeper into politics. >> i can. deeper into politics. >> you can't rule everything out. and perhaps i'm too out. but and perhaps i'm too influenced tom bower's influenced here by tom bower's book called revenge, which published but it's published last year. but it's clear that she reached the end of roughly in her of the line roughly in her ambitions an actress with ambitions to be an actress with suits. follow on suits. things didn't follow on from she's now achieved from suits. she's now achieved an extra celebrity. but to keep going, as you say, it's a one trick pony at the moment. she's got to do something else. so they've got to be they've either got to be brilliant people or brilliant business people or they've got to be very creative in terms of ideas, writing or whatever. and no whatever. and there's no evidence that the case. evidence that that is the case. >> grifters by a spotify exec and hollywood is ruthless . and hollywood is ruthless. should we be ascribing so much malice because after all, could it not have been the case that

here was meghan markle, someone who believed in sort of the disney princess worldview where she thought she'd come across to england, become a princess, live this life of royal luxury , and this life of royal luxury, and didn't realise that she'd have to cut ribbons outside a rainy shopping centre early afternoon. >> no, no, no, no, no, no, no. she— >> no, no, no, no, no, no, no. she she. she said she didn't know about harry or the know much about harry or the role she she was. role she did. she was. it was a conscious career decision to come this country to find . an come to this country to find. an englishman. an aristocrat would have done. but she and to pursue. don't say don't pursue. i don't say they don't genuinely now , but genuinely love here now, but this decision. this was a business decision. she she she became a she knew what she she became a member of the royal family. >> right. that to her was >> right. and that to her was valhalla. then went and valhalla. and then she went and cashed in on it. >> right. move on, >> yeah, right. let's move on, because there's rather because there's a rather odd story believe it story in the times. i believe it was morning. was this morning. yes. households told by the households have been told by the government up on government to stock up on candles, battery powered radios and torches and the like in case of a in case a catastrophe cripples digital gadgets . yes. cripples digital gadgets. yes. what kind of scenario is this? what kind of scenario is this? what do you stockpile? this is a

great idea. >> it's not what i stockpile now, but i have been beneficiary of this, right. roger and i are both old enough to remember miners strikes in the 1970s. okay. when the lights went out. a famous book which tells you about how badly britain was run in those days. i was drinking in pubs by candlelight when the barman had to go down to the cellar to get the beer in a mug and bring it up for you because there electricity, there was no electricity, because miners were because the miners were on strike went now strike and britain went out. now you candles, you had you had to buy candles, you had to have torch. and do you know to have a torch. and do you know what? nothing worked . what comes next? >> that just sorted it out . >> that just sorted it out. >> that just sorted it out. >> i wasn't going to say i wasn't going to say it was it wasn't going to say it was it was actually quite romantic, you know, beer by know, drinking beer by candlelight, having to creep around in the snow because there were no snow ploughs , because were no snow ploughs, because there no petrol in. it was there was no petrol in. it was rather romantic, but it was a bit like the start of the covid lockdown. quite romantic for a few days. >> all about roger. >> all about roger. >> well, what it's about is this waking up in the end to the to

how dependent we have become on certain sources of and certain sources of power and influence. i mean, germany got themselves situation where themselves in a situation where they were taking natural gas from because it was very from russia because it was very cheap. and oh, they cheap. and then, oh, oh, they woke to fact that putin's woke up to the fact that putin's going switch it off. if going to switch it off. if germany didn't behave in a certain . now become certain way. now we've become so dependent the way, i agree dependent by the way, i agree this isn't big issue . it's this isn't a big issue. it's just security. it's just just energy security. it's just preparing yourself sensibly. and it can be very romantic. and to me, this is not middle of winter. >> this is the resilience website of the government about natural disasters, about malicious acts and cyber attacks , that we're , terrorism. not that we're going to sort of what they we've got we've got time for to squeeze in one final story. >> this is something that >> and this is something that you both picked out. i believe this test fail drivers mad as this is test fail drivers mad as hell. of driving hell. scores of driving examiners by examiners have been attacked by failed learners as test waiting times soar. now, i must be honest here and say that i only passed fourth time, so i had three goes, four goes at it. >> well, take you off the road, please. >> emily, you know these driving examiners. yeah. >> happened is >> well, what's happened is, is

that. >> well, what's happened is, is that . look, in day, if you've that. look, in my day, if you've failed , you muttered your failed, you muttered under your breath out the car. breath and you got out the car. now, happening is when now, what's happening is when people the people fail, they're putting the nut on the examiners and. and getting rather angry. >> is it ? >> is it? >> is it? >> no, i'm getting rather angry . >> no, i'm getting rather angry. and so examiners now are and so the examiners now are wearing body cameras so that they've got evidence that they've got evidence that they've been assaulted by somebody driven to madness, by failing their driving test. >> road rage wasn't learned. it's innate. >> i can't think of a worse job. >> i can't think of a worse job. >> i can't think of a worse job. >> i mean, can you imagine sitting in a car all day? it's terrifying with people who can't drive you're going drive and then you're going to get. no, i think get. no, no, please. i think drivers pay a lot more drivers should pay a lot more money they do. money for whatever they do. i cope. i mean, mother drove cope. i mean, my mother drove all without a all her life without taking a test. that every test. she was that old every time. somehow now, know, she time. somehow now, you know, she renewed nobody renewed her license. nobody asked there were people asked her. so there were people driving on road who never driving on the road who never were driving on the road who never weryeah , my dad did. >> yeah, my dad did. >> yeah, my dad did. >> feels like are >> that feels like there are people never people driving the road. never been yeah, who been tested now. yeah, but who would who be a not me, would be who would be a not me, you know , teaching people how to you know, teaching people how to drive. >> must be the most >> it must be the most frustrating in the world frustrating job in the world because people because when people start

driving, useless it, driving, they're useless at it, aren't it's scary if aren't they? it's scary if you're trapped in a small metal box mean, box with someone who i mean, perhaps the driver's bit perhaps it's the driver's a bit elderly the person learning elderly and the person learning is, is perhaps at the peak of their physical fitness. >> that's scary also >> yes. that's a scary or also that's like my wife and i should be my wife be careful here is that my wife is and if you say to is left handed and if you say to her turn left, she instinctively turns right you've got to turns right and you've got to tell twice and whatever. tell her twice and whatever. >> have >> i mean, she shouldn't have a driving license. >> i mean, she shouldn't have a dri\she'scense. >> i mean, she shouldn't have a dri\she'sce brilliant a >> she's a brilliant have a driving license. >> she's a brilliant have a dri\andlicense. >> she's a brilliant have a dri\and i:ense. >> she's a brilliant have a dri\and i found quite a lot >> and i found out quite a lot of have that instinct. of people have that instinct. yeah the wrong way. of people have that instinct. yaneah, wrong way. of people have that instinct. yaneah, i/rong way. of people have that instinct. yaneah, i was| way. of people have that instinct. yaneah, i was| waythat the >> yeah, i was told that the reason i only passed fourth reason why i only passed fourth time was because it actually makes better driver. makes you a better driver. because, know, you just need because, you know, you just need a little bit more practice . a little bit more practice. makes me. you're going to be very experienced before you even are allowed to drive. well, emily would have passed. >> to get in >> would you be happy to get in your car? your own car? >> absolutely would. >> i absolutely would. i'm a better than other half i >> -- >> it must lam >> it must have been just luck that pass fourth time. i'm that you pass fourth time. i'm glad take eight. glad you didn't take eight. >> people >> well, magically, people watching will have watching on television will have noticed. has noticed. martin daubney has appeared sofa . oh, yeah. appeared on the sofa. oh, yeah. and before we get into and martin, before we get into

your programme, how many how many you take to learn many times did you take to learn to drive? >> first time buff back of the net. those are the worst >> so those are the worst drivers, apparently. >> the first time. no >> yeah. yeah the first time. no faults. about faults. so today it's all about the detail . vastly more robust . the detail. vastly more robust. cleverly calls this contract with rwanda, but the last one was as robust as a chocolate teapot. so we're going to go through all the detail now to try and nail just how watertight this is. we did that in brussels in the withdrawal in 2020 when the withdrawal agreement out. it was agreement came out. it was really abundantly clear very quickly contract quickly that that contract was a terrible britain. quickly that that contract was a terriblhope britain. quickly that that contract was a terriblhope is britain. quickly that that contract was a terriblhope is goingain. quickly that that contract was a terriblhope is going to. all chris. hope is going to be all over that. at 5:00 today, over that. and at 5:00 today, the erg and the new conservatives are meeting. something's afoot in tory land. they don't seem happy with what's been going on. only the second time they've ever met. we've got john redwood on second time they've ever met. wetell got john redwood on second time they've ever met. wetell us john redwood on second time they've ever met. wetell us what redwood on second time they've ever met. wetell us what couldyod on second time they've ever met. wetell us what could be on second time they've ever met. wetell us what could be afoot. on to tell us what could be afoot. sadiq khan's been telling fibs again about knife crime . again about about knife crime. he claimed it had gone down under mayoralty. it's gone under his mayoralty. it's gone up under his mayoralty. it's gone ”p by under his mayoralty. it's gone up by 40, quite a difference. and course, farage and of course, nigel farage in the and looking ahead to the jungle and looking ahead to tomorrow, can boris redeem himself at the covid inquiry ?

himself at the covid inquiry? the inquiry so far has just been a boris booting competition. the inquiry so far has just been a boributyoting competition. the inquiry so far has just been a boribut cang competition. the inquiry so far has just been a boribut can borisipetition. the inquiry so far has just been a boribut can boris come)n. the inquiry so far has just been a boribut can boris come back yeah, but can boris come back and say, actually my more libertarian approach, with the benefit of hindsight, was that the right way to have gone? >> and there have been a lot of stories that have been popping out boris johnson, out about boris johnson, what he's say this he's going to say at this inquiry, he's going to inquiry, whether he's going to have of smoking gun. have some sort of smoking gun. it actually whitty, it was actually chris whitty, perhaps to delay perhaps that told him to delay that first lockdown. all this that first lockdown. all of this not out. not popping out. >> he's >> he's deliberately he's got all advice, his pr all his press advice, his pr advisers an copy of his advisers, an advance copy of his testimony , handling it all. it's testimony, handling it all. it's a pr operation. been buried a pr operation. it's been buried for six months. >> well thank you very >> right. well thank you very much indeed. >> exciting one to watch. >> an exciting one to watch. >> an exciting one to watch. >> roger bolton, mike parry, stay martin daubney. >> roger bolton, mike parry, stay be martin daubney. >> roger bolton, mike parry, stay be a martin daubney. >> roger bolton, mike parry, stay be a good martin daubney. >> roger bolton, mike parry, stay be a good one. n daubney. it'll be a good one. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar for sponsors of whether on . gb news. >> hello, welcome to your latest gb news weather update from the met office. it'll be a cold and frosty night for many areas tonight as the clear weather.

the north of england have seen through today will become more widespread across the south, we've had rain and cloud . that's we've had rain and cloud. that's as a result of this low pressure thatis as a result of this low pressure that is now clearing off to the east to leave a more east to leave us in a more settled interlude for wednesday and tonight, fact. so that and tonight, in fact. so that means much the cloud through means much of the cloud through today tend to fade away today will tend to fade away throughout night. we'll throughout the night. and we'll have clear spells, have long lived clear spells, quite harsh frost developing . quite a harsh frost developing. and be a colder night and it will be a colder night than many areas . than last night for many areas. we'll also see some mist and fog developing , particularly developing, particularly across more western areas. so it'll be a very chilly start to the day, but a bright start. a very chilly start to the day, but a bright start . plenty of but a bright start. plenty of crisp sunshine around through wednesday, particularly across northern areas and across the east as well, where it should last much of the day. further west, though, you can notice the cloud will start thicken some cloud will start to thicken some rain. into northern rain. arriving into northern ireland by lunchtime, the sunshine will turn across sunshine will turn hazier across parts wales and the parts of wales and the south—west as well during the afternoon. but temperatures will start rise from the west. start to rise from the west. highs around 12 degrees in the scilly isles, but still feeling

very east, very chilly in the east, particularly coast. then particularly on the coast. then thursday, rain pushes thursday, that rain pushes further east, bringing some weather warnings with it across western areas of the uk, as well as parts of the north—east of scotland . and that rain will scotland. and that rain will continue to stick with us through the end of the week and into the start of the weekend. but temperatures finally but temperatures do finally start rise by by looks like start to rise by by looks like things are heating up. >> boxed boilers, sponsors of weather on .

gb news. >> good afternoon. it's 3:00. welcome to gb news with me martin daubney keeping you company for the next three hours. an action packed hours. got an action packed juicy menu ahead. top story today, of course , has to be today, of course, has to be rwanda . james cleverly calls the rwanda. james cleverly calls the new deal vastly more robust. let's face it, the last one was about as robust as a chocolate teapot. and with lawyers , teapot. and with lawyers, lefties, liberals and the lords queuing up to take it down, is it worth the paper? it's written on? chris hope, our political editor will be going through it with a fine tooth comb, looking for those loopholes that people might try exploit. we'll might try and exploit. we'll analyse that in its fullness . analyse that in its fullness. next story. there's been a stabbing a man in aberfan stabbed a woman, we understand, who is pregnant. a manhunt continues. we'll have jack carlson there live at the scene with all of the latest on this

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