not. and have you seen that the junior doctors will be striking again .7 do you still back them? again? do you still back them? are you still with them? would there be a line? if so, what would that be? an and get this, everybody, 1 in 3 military personnel are living in accommodation that is below standard . and why? why do we not standard. and why? why do we not value our soldiers in this country? what on earth is going on? also, i want to ask tonight, why are so many people in this country hooked on prescription drugs , namely things like

drugs, namely things like antidepressants ? it's are we antidepressants? it's are we indeed massively depressed or do you think we are in danger of over medicalizing emotion as. yes, indeed . we're going to have yes, indeed. we're going to have all of that coming your way over the next hour. but first up, let's cross live to the legend thatis let's cross live to the legend that is polly middlehurst for tonight's latest news headlines . tonight's latest news headlines. >> michelle, thank you. good evening to you. well, let's bnng evening to you. well, let's bring you up to date with events in aberfan , in south wales, in aberfan, in south wales, where police are saying a 28 year old man has been arrested now on suspicion of attempted murder following the stabbing of a 29 year old woman. this morning , a pregnant woman was morning, a pregnant woman was subjected to a knife attack in broad daylight on the street. chief inspector rob miles from south wales. police gave this update earlier. >> the man is known to the victim and is currently in

police custody. i appreciate there will be a real sense of shock when the local community, with the attack having happened in broad daylight, local schools activated their lockdown protocols to keep people safe . protocols to keep people safe. neighbourhood officers have been in the area to ensure ensure pupils have been able to leave the school safely at their normal time . this was done as normal time. this was done as a precaution and schools will reopen tomorrow as normal. this was a targeted attack. the woman remains in hospital with injuries which are not believed to be life threatening at this time . time. >> well, in other news today, the home secretary says he's uncomfortable with some of the criticism being directed at rwanda as he unveiled a new asylum treaty there today. it's understood new british laws are to be expedited through parliament, declaring rwanda a safe country for the processing of asylum seekers arriving in the uk . james cleverly praised the uk. james cleverly praised rwanda for being part of the british solution in rwanda. >> has now established a strong

reputation for the humane and professional administration of refugees and migrants. this is something understood by the uk and the multilateral . community and the multilateral. community the treaty that we signed today builds on that joint work. it takes the positive professional attitude that you and your government display today and allies it with the work that the uk is doing to ensure that we break the business model of those evil people smuggling gangs. >> james cleverly. but the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper , cast doubt on the plans. cooper, cast doubt on the plans. >> this is now the third home secretary to go to rwanda with a chequebook . they've sent more chequebook. they've sent more home secretaries than they have asylum seekers to rwanda, and this scheme is badly failing.

they still won't tell us how much it will cost , even though much it will cost, even though we've already know that we've spent £140 million and more on this scheme . and what they could this scheme. and what they could be doing is putting that money into going after the criminal smuggler gangs and taking action there instead. >> yvette cooper now junior doctors in england are set to stage the longest strike in nhs history after talks with the government on pay broke down. ministers and representatives from the british medical association. that's the union which represents junior doctors , which represents junior doctors, have been locked in negotiations now for five weeks, trying to find a solution. the bma says the government's offered a pay increase of 3, which it says amounts to a pay cut for many doctors as the first walkouts are due to start across england from 7 am. on the 20th of december . the from 7 am. on the 20th of december. the high court's been told today that the impact of a successful attack on the duke of sussex should have been considered when his security

arranged points were changed in 2020. prince harry was stripped of special protections. normally afforded to royals when he stepped back from his royal dufies stepped back from his royal duties and moved to the united states. his lawyers say a failure to carry out a full risk analysis meant the prince was treated in an unlawful and unfair way when he was provided with weaker security while visiting the uk . relatives of visiting the uk. relatives of victims of the infected blood scandal have delivered a letter to downing street today. they're calling for action now from the government after mps voted last night in favour of speeding up compensate donation payments. one of the victims of the scandal, richard warwick, told gb news earlier about his experience . experience. >> it's dreadful living with the three viruses. luckily i did manage to clear hep c in 2015, but i mean , yeah, it's just but i mean, yeah, it's just affected every part of my life. um things like mortgages and

insurance . um, it's just been, insurance. um, it's just been, just been awful. of course, losing too many friends and people that, you know as well around you . around you. >> richard warwick , male to >> richard warwick, male to female, trans gender prisoners who've previously harmed women or girls won't be held in female prisons in scotland . it's a new prisons in scotland. it's a new policy set out by the scottish pfison policy set out by the scottish prison service and it says it will take an individualised approach now to housing transgender people. it means some prisoners will initially be placed in male prisons until more information is known about whether or not they should be housed in accordance with their chosen gender. scotland us justice secretary says the policy supports the rights of transgender people but also the welfare of prisoners and staff . welfare of prisoners and staff. you with gb news across the uk on tv in your car , on digital on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . thanks

britain's news channel. thanks for that polly. >> well, i'm michelle dewberry was listening to that that bulletin there. honestly, sometimes i think of an alien from outer space landed on on this planet , from outer space landed on on this planet, in from outer space landed on on this planet , in this from outer space landed on on this planet, in this country. i think they'd think we're stark raving mad when you hear about that last story. when it comes to whole trans prisoners and to the whole trans prisoners and you know whether or not they should be housed in accordance to their chosen gender, honestly , mad anyway , this world is going mad anyway . there's a lot to unpick tonight before 7:00, i'm tonight before 7:00, and i'm delighted to say alongside me, i've got the conservative life peerin i've got the conservative life peer in the house of lords, baroness foster, and the former editor of labourlist, peter edwards. evening to both of edwards. good evening to both of you. you're very welcome tonight. know drill, tonight. and you know the drill, don't you? in touch with me. don't you? get in touch with me. what's tonight? what's on your mind tonight? vaiews@gbnews.com is how you get of me. oh, i've twitter get hold of me. oh, i've twitter or x or whatever it's called is your thing. you get in touch your thing. you can get in touch there at gb news. don't forget as well, unless you've been under rock. you do that under a rock. you do know that nigel farage, soon to be perhaps the king of the jungle. what do you that? if you want

you make to that? if you want him to stay that jungle, i'll him to stay in that jungle, i'll scan you. just get your phone out. ladies gents, if you out. ladies and gents, if you don't know what i'm talking about, your phone open about, get your phone out. open your camera and take a little picture of that gobbledegook in the known as the corner there, also known as a code. and that will give the corner there, also known as a youre. and that will give the corner there, also known as a youre. and it'll will give the corner there, also known as a youre. and it'll tell. give the corner there, also known as a youre. and it'll tell you; you your votes. it'll tell you what to do. i've got to be honest. you know, i voted for nigel. it's first time i've nigel. it's the first time i've ever voted in a reality tv show in life, mainly because in my life, mainly because i just absolutely just would absolutely love to see that so many see the meltdown that so many people would have if indeed nigel won. farage can you imagine? it'd be absolutely hilarious, it? anyway, hilarious, wouldn't it? anyway, look, swiftly to look, let me move on swiftly to a very serious matter that many of would have seen in the of you would have seen in the news, i'm sure today. the horrendous situation station in wales the stabbing of a lady wales of the stabbing of a lady believed to be heavily preggo tenant. this is, of course, in aberfan down in south wales. well, our reporter jack carson has just literally been at the press conference there and we can cross live for the latest. good evening, jack. hope you're not too cold. bring us up to speed with the latest, please .

speed with the latest, please. yeah good evening to you, michelle. >> so we've just heard from chief inspector rob miles from south wales police, who confirmed very much what we're already what already knew, already what we already knew, but of course, some of the but also, of course, some of the witness reports we'd had witness reports that we'd had from, course , those local from, of course, those local residents surrounding the incident. confirmed the incident. they confirmed the news from 430 today that they had arrested a 28 year old local man on suspicion of attempted murder. south wales police say it is believed that that man is known to the victim. that victim being, as you mentioned, a 29 year old believed to be heavily pregnant woman . and the south pregnant woman. and the south wales police say that it was a targeted attack. but thankfully the woman who is who was airlifted and taken was not airlifted, but there was an air ambulance to the hospital. there were taken the university of were taken to the university of cardiff hospital very, very quickly this morning. just after 9:00. they are to not believe to be with any life threatening injuries, but it was very, very much a very horrific and violent sounding attack just from the

witness reports that we've had today with the screaming in the street. one neighbour saying that if it wasn't for that scream, they might not well have realised was going and realised what was going on and actually gone outside of their house. and the local residents will very, thankful that will be very, very thankful that that old man arrested on that 28 year old man arrested on suspicion murder is suspicion of attempted murder is in because of in police custody because of course people i was course the people that i was speaking were saying speaking to earlier were saying how and petrified how frightened and petrified they just them, they were, not just them, but their as about their children as well, about this man possibly still being on the loose. we know that six schools around the aberfan area were put into lockdown as well. then lockdown procedures. that was on the advice of south wales police, course, were all police, of course, who were all throughout the day looking for people there was armed response. police i was police around aberfan when i was there earlier and you could see there earlier and you could see the patrols of people, the heavy patrols of people, of course, man. course, looking for this man. now that he was now police confirmed that he was arrested locally, suggesting that able to get that he hadn't been able to get very far. and of course, also the police confirming that schools will then reopen , open schools will then reopen, open as normal tomorrow . of course, as normal tomorrow. of course, we hope and pray, of course,

that the condition of that woman and her baby as well are safe , and her baby as well are safe, of course, as they recover from this quite horrific attack . this quite horrific attack. >> thank you very much for that update. i mean , it was just when update. i mean, it was just when you i mean, many viewers will be familiar with the awful mining disaster that affected aberfan. was it 1966 and over 100 children were killed in that disaster. so when you see those aberfan and schools in a kind of sentence construct , which is aberfan and schools in a kind of sentence construct, which is bad news, it was an awful thing to see today. and i mean, credit where it's due to the police that have found this guy and also the schools and etcetera that acted so quickly to keep all kids, etcetera safe. all the kids, etcetera safe. it's just in this day and age, these horrendous things seem to go on. don't these awful. well you're absolutely right. >> and i'm actually old enough to remember aberfan , and it was to remember aberfan, and it was probably one of the most tragic things that ever happened on british frankly . and but british soil, frankly. and but there to be too many. i there seemed to be too many. i mean, they're all quite different at times. there's far

too many of these sort of random stabbings and random attacks. they seem to be escalating all over the place . and, you know, over the place. and, you know, more often than not, they go, oh, well, a person that did it and know in this case, and we don't know in this case, i'm not talking about this case. you they some problems you know, they had some problems or not or whatever, but that's not really and i just really an excuse. and i just hope that she's fine. i hope the babyis hope that she's fine. i hope the baby is fine. i'm sure baby is fine. and i'm sure everybody will be sending her best wishes. i think the police handled beautifully and handled it beautifully and hopefully of the residents hopefully all of the residents and the children and parents are all reassured . all reassured. >> of course. and like >> and yeah, of course. and like we've just been jack has just been there, course, been saying there, of course, i would echo that . of course, would echo that. of course, i really all the really hope that all of the people okay and people involved are okay and will continue to be so . it's will continue to be so. it's very rare, i have to confess that i talk about prince harry not once, but twice. if anyone watches my programme regularly, you'll know that i often say it's a and m zone because i can't bear the absolute ridiculousness that goes on when it comes to this couple. very often. but i feel the need to

touch upon harry briefly. i'll get it over the way, out of the way. do it early , as they say. way. do it early, as they say. get the hardest things out of the way first, because i've really this of this really found this topic of this couple all the rest of it couple and all the rest of it a little bit tedious. i must confess. but anyway, prince harry challenging, is harry is challenging, is in court challenging home court challenging the home office over its decision to downgrade royal security office over its decision to downgheie royal security office over its decision to downgheie oural security office over its decision to downgheie our countryty office over its decision to downgheie our country .' office over its decision to downgheie our country . so when he visits our country. so you, the taxpayer, me and you do you, the taxpayer, me and you do you we should be funding you think we should be funding prince harry's protection? he makes of money, makes an awful lot of money, doesn't i dread think how doesn't it? i dread to think how much all of his endeavours much of all of his endeavours should he fund his own or not. jacqueline, are you? should he fund his own or not. jac

various comments that have come out that have been really made. the king and others subject to terrible criticisms that, in my view, are totally unjustified and but when it comes to protection , it's a tricky one protection, it's a tricky one because obviously, if you have been born into that family, we know that people can be a target . but by the same token , he's . but by the same token, he's earning they're earning plenty of money. they're living a very good life in california . and i good life in california. and i think therefore , that they're think therefore, that they're they should be paying towards they should be paying towards the protection when they come over. >> oven >> yeah. i mean , just to be >> yeah. i mean, just to be clear, though, he there was a legal bid he wanted apparently to be able to pay basically police officers for private protection. i think he lost that bid basically. so he wasn't quite quite successful in being able to do that. but peter, where are you on it? >> well, there's a case still going on. the court we don't know the answer yet . neither know the answer yet. neither labour nor the tories have said

much about it because by convention politicians don't comment on royal matters, especially on security matters. to me, i'm not against paying for it in some form because harry and meghan, they chose to opt out of being working royals. but they can't choose to opt out of the threat or concern against them. and we know that for anyone in the public eye, there are a very small number of disturbed individuals who could pose a threat to them . and harry pose a threat to them. and harry is part of the most famous family in the world. so i do have a bit of sympathy for him because whatever choices he makes about his working life, it can't have much of an impact on a threat that might be posed by other people. >> isn't that the purpose of >> but isn't that the purpose of private your own private protection? how your own personal it personal bodyguards? not it doesn't to doesn't necessarily have to be members police. we've members of the police. and we've heard that case a second heard about that case a second ago. stuff for yourself. ago. but stuff for yourself. surround bodyguards. >> yeah , well, i'd imagine >> yeah, well, i'd imagine that's very expensive. i think we'd all agree. >> absolutely peter, the >> absolutely minted, peter, the police shouldn't for be hire because you or i generally can't hire the police.

>> think have very, very >> i think they have very, very strict the police are strict policies. the police are secondary, though. >> the police are for hire. when there's a football match, for example, all police will be hired. >> well, that's not strictly true. >> they're not hired clubs pay a reimbursement cost. but i'll take your broader point, which is league club is a premier league club puts into coffers clubs are into its coffers the clubs are paying into its coffers the clubs are paying policing in into its coffers the clubs are payiaround policing in into its coffers the clubs are payiaround those policing in into its coffers the clubs are payi around those footballng in into its coffers the clubs are payi around those football games. and around those football games. >> yes. it contributing to a bill, a simple definition in that would constitute if you're a football owner you're a football club owner and you're staffing up your football match with and paying for with the police and paying for that privilege, me, that that privilege, to me, that would a level of the would indicate a level of the police available for hire. police being available for hire. but that's the case but legally that's not the case because it's a public event and the a duty to the police have a duty to safeguard events they safeguard public events and they seek reimbursement because obviously premier league clubs tend affluent. tend to be very affluent. >> i just in? >> well, can i just come in? >> well, can i just come in? >> you can any point. >> you can in any point. >> you can in any point. >> i mean, they spend 99% of their california , for their time in california, for one thing is for sure. but you seem to get more crackpots running around america doing these sorts of things that are attacking people. et cetera . and attacking people. et cetera. and obviously he has to pay for any

protection there . so we're protection there. so we're actually talking about a relatively few times that he may come over here. and because obviously we can't be expected to pay for his security over there and but as we said, as i said, of course, he he needs security. but by the same token, i think he can pay for it. >> what do you guys make of this at home? because it is, to your point , it is a at home? because it is, to your point, it is a bit of a tricky one. you know, you can't help who your parents are. and if that does put you in the kind of the line of fire, so to speak, that's a crude expression. but if that does put you at higher risk, then is that your fault? the flip side to that is obviously he would monetise and does monetise he does proactively monetise who he is a lot of money from is and makes a lot of money from that what do you think that anyway. what do you think to situation? how do to that situation? how much do you care about this topic? i've to that situation? how much do you to re about this topic? i've to that situation? how much do you to ask. out this topic? i've to that situation? how much do you to ask. iut this topic? i've to that situation? how much do you to ask. i haves topic? i've to that situation? how much do you to ask. i have to opic? i've to that situation? how much do you to ask. i have to get? i've to that situation? how much do you to ask. i have to get oute to that situation? how much do you to ask. i have to get out of got to ask. i have to get out of the way over done with. the way over and done with. that's i say because that's what i say because there's more important there's so many more important things talk to you things i want to talk to you about. for example, the junior doctors will be going on strike again, long strike. i again, a very long strike. i

want whether or not want to ask you whether or not you're still supporting them. i've a twitter poll running. i've got a twitter poll running. tell there well whether tell me on there as well whether or support them. lots or not you support them. lots more, too. so

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> hello there, michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me, the conservative life peer in the house of lords, baroness foster and the former editor of labourlist, peter edwards. divided opinions coming in about prince harry. i can tell you now i'm interested whether or not you think that we should be paying you think that we should be paying for his security. i'll tell you someone, tony. he's beenin tell you someone, tony. he's been in touch saying boring, boring, boring . harry. he's a boring, boring. harry. he's a celebrity, not he needs celebrity, not a royal. he needs to up and provide and pay to grow up and provide and pay for private security, for his own private security, not the police. no. where? not hire the police. no. where? well i think he has still got his royal titles, hasn't he? that's what they were planning to through to take a bill through parliament try and get rid of parliament to try and get rid of them. of course, he is them. and also, of course, he is very much still in many people's

eyes, a royal, isn't he? lesley says if taxpayers funded , says if the taxpayers funded, harry would have armed police officers if he provides his own protection in the uk, they would not be armed interest thing. there you go. keep your thoughts coming in on that. look, there's a very serious topic that will affect many of us in this country, hopefully hardly any of us, because it's all about hospitals and who is going to get care and what kind of get the care and what kind of care we are going to get if indeed we have to be in those places, we are. makes places, because we are. it makes me take a big, long sigh. but anyway, junior doctors there me take a big, long sigh. but anyw announced octors there me take a big, long sigh. but anyw announced another ere me take a big, long sigh. but anyw announced another strike. have announced another strike. the next one will be the longest in nhs history. let's have a little look. shall we get the calendar up for those of you that are watching so it's from the 7 am. on the 20th of december, right through to the 22nd of december, and then again . the 3rd to the 8th of january. so yes, they will be working some of those key dates over christmas . some of those key dates over christmas. but again, look at that many , many days there will

that many, many days there will not be working. this of course, you'll be familiar by now with the fact that actually they've been requesting a 35% pay increase. they want pay restoration until think restoration back until i think it's 2008. the latest offer that they got was an additional 3, which have now gone on to which they have now gone on to reject. are you still supporting the junior doctors ? i'm the junior doctors? i'm interested in your thoughts on that. jacqueline, are you. that. but jacqueline, are you. >> i'm not, actually. >> oh, no, i'm not, actually. i mean, and this is why we've had >> oh, no, i'm not, actually. i m

offer has been made and i think we'd all like the doctors in the nhs to get paid an awful lot more. but it is where it is. nhs to get paid an awful lot more. but it is where it is . so more. but it is where it is. so l, more. but it is where it is. so i, you know, they're doing it with a sort of mantra, well, we're doing this for patients safety. well, they're clearly not doing it for patient safety. we've got more than million we've got more than 7 million people actually on waiting lists. we're now going to be in a position even after these earlier strikes where that's going to be added to. so i cannot see where the safety of the patient comes in when you're actually making them leave even longer to have their operations or to be seen. so i'm just very, very unhappy about it. and in most countries around the world and certainly across europe, there are minimum service levels that are in and therefore, the patients at the time are then not affected . not affected. >> peter first of all, i want to explode the myth that it's somehow uncaring to go on strike. i've taken part industrial action. that was when i was a newspaper holder. i've

taken part in industrial action when i was a newspaper reporter and i didn't do that because i had antipathy to the readers. i did it because i cared about the product and i cared about the readers, and it's something much more serious, like health care is even more so, is just the same, even more so, doctors upset they doctors are upset because they care patients they're care about patients and they're concerned quality of concerned about the quality of care. but both sides also have to get to a deal because feelings have been inflamed on both sides. doctors after 35, they're not going to get that. and it, no and as i understand it, no mainstream political party has come in support of the 35% come out in support of the 35% pay come out in support of the 35% pay restoration, which covers several years. the grim reality is most of us are a bit poorer after covid and the inflation crisis and the events of the last few years. i think the best thing the government can do, which they've blown very hot and cold on, negotiate in good cold on, is negotiate in good faith. new health secretary faith. the new health secretary i trying to do that i think, is trying to do that and more ameliorative and adopt more ameliorative language. steve barclay, her predecessor, that , predecessor, started like that, but up pointing the but then ended up pointing the finger calling the militant, finger and calling the militant, which think really which i don't think really helped to an agreement. helped come to an agreement. >> won't from >> but if they won't budge from

35, if all they'll say is it's 35, if all they'll say is it's 35, 35, 35, 35, isn't that a little bit militant? >> no . i think in little bit militant? >> no. i think in all negotiations , as you go in with negotiations, as you go in with a number and then you try and reach agreement, but i don't think having a starting position is in itself militant. do you think the 55% is a reasonable starting position relative to the rest of society that they're not going to get it? and i would take that down because i've never met anyone in the last year or so who's had a 35% pay increase. >> yes. let me before i bring jacqueline in, because you say about being on strike, i mean, you know, an awful lot about trade unionist, all the rest of it. >> but scotland they've had >> but in scotland they've had a record 12.4% pay increase for junior doctors . record 12.4% pay increase for junior doctors. this was together with a 4.5% that had been previously awarded. so you've got 17.5% there. so why is it good enough in scotland , is it good enough in scotland, those kind of figures, but not good enough in england? >> well, i don't know the fiscal position of the devolved government in holyrood, but if

you've a precedent of 12% you've got a precedent of 12% and then in in scotland, then in england, you've got a demand for 35, that would seem to kind of set the parameters for having a discussion because again, the point having been on point is, having been on a strike, the is not to do strike, the goal is not to do that forever. making yourselves poorer service poorer and your service users, in worse off in this case patients worse off as well. the goal always has to be to reach an agreement. otherwise if you're not seeking an that would an agreement, that would be militant think sides militant and i think both sides can reach agreement, but it does require negotiations in good faith. >> jacqueline. i mean, you know an lot about trade an awful lot about trade unionists. like what unionists. you were like what i would a shop steward. yeah would call a shop steward. yeah so, i mean, he's saying about, you know, these people are going on strike not to cause harm, but on strike not to cause harm, but on the contrary, to provide an ongoing service to people because it will help them remain in sector. well look, the in their sector. well look, the fact the fact of the matter is they the bma, unfortunately, has become militant. >> the bma used to negotiate far better pay and condition for their members a long time ago, and they were very well

respected . and trade union respected. and trade union actually representing doctors . i actually representing doctors. i think what you also need to do is separate, separate out people think that junior doctors, the doctors that are just starting. and i think it's the wrong terminology, i think which they're looking at because it's any doctor that from when they're starting their graduate and they're going starting work in hospital to actually to the in a hospital to actually to the level where they then become a consultant pay consultant so that that pay range is actually quite vast. what's also not mentioned, they're talking just about basic pay- they're talking just about basic pay. and that's important . but pay. and that's important. but equally, like we had in the equally, you like we had in the airline industry, you will have payments on call. you get payments for on call. you get extra payments because you're working social we work working on social hours. we work over weekends , you work nights, over weekends, you work nights, you work, these things. you work, all of these things. so then looking at the so you're then looking at the pay ' so you're then looking at the pay , which bma never pay package, which the bma never mentioned. also looking at mentioned. you also looking at the that that our the pensions that that our doctors and our health service workers get because the doctors aren't employed by the nhs. they are. they are contracted to the nhs. never been nhs. they've never been employees and so when you look

at the overall package, including their pensions, etcetera , it's actually a good etcetera, it's actually a good package. i'd like to give them more, but we have to cut our cloth and i think they've made an offer. i think the grades are going up about 3032 to 37 at the lower end from 43 to 63. and that's without all the add ons . that's without all the add ons. and i think a good negotiator , and i think a good negotiator, actually good negotiators could have done something perhaps slightly differently and looked at where they are, maybe where the economy is in another 12 months time by the way, that's with paul i mentioned it has actually closed. >> sorry about that. but the results have come in. so we were asking, do you support the junior doctors going on strike? apparently, get this, everybody, 40.2% said they do support the strikes . and 85.8% said, no, you strikes. and 85.8% said, no, you don't . but you're divided on don't. but you're divided on this at home. lesley says, i totally support the strike and the junior doctors, 3% would be a pay the junior doctors, 3% would be a pay cut . what on earth for the

a pay cut. what on earth for the government thinking ? you're government thinking? you're saying the junior doctors must be eyeing up australia while simultaneously you suggest that overseas doctors with perhaps inferior training are eyeing up the uk? she says it's simple. pay our junior doctors more. that's 3, by the way. it was an additional 3. it wasn't just 3. paul additional 3. it wasn't just 3. paul, on the other hand , he's paul, on the other hand, he's having none of it. he just says sacked the lot of them. well, who would care for you then, paul who would care for you then, paul, when you went into the hospital, have you just sacked a load of people because you don't agree their pay demands? agree with their pay demands? what replace what would you replace them with? at the with? keith says, look, at the end the day, knew the end of the day, they knew the rate of pay when they took the job, and do think is job, and i do think that is quite interesting. know quite interesting. i didn't know the inflation though. the rate of inflation though. >> codswallop, i'm afraid. >> we've had for inflation forever. >> no, we haven't had inflation at 10% forever. >> have had inflation. >> we have had high inflation. when we've had when i started work, we've had huge levels of inflation and expensive mortgages and all sorts things my lifetime sorts of things over my lifetime . um, nobody high . um, nobody wants high inflation, know what inflation, but we know what caused well. is unpressed caused it as well. is unpressed invented in the last 30 years to have inflation at 10? >> we know that. >> yeah, we know that.

>> yeah, we know that. >> understand your >> so help me understand your thinking because the thinking then, because the pay restoration back to 2008. restoration goes back to 2008. so keith, i'll speak on so i think, keith, i'll speak on your , if you don't mind. your behalf, if you don't mind. keith my viewer, what keith is saying is that when they took the job, they knew that rate of pay- the job, they knew that rate of pay. now most junior doctors, in fact, pretty much all of the junior doctors, them junior doctors, none of them would have been there in 2008. so cohort of doctors so this cohort of junior doctors have 2008. so have joined post 2008. so i think what keith is saying is the salary that they took on was the salary that they took on was the salary that they took on. so why would those people all now be entitled to go the be entitled to go all the way back and have back to 2008 and have incremental pay backdated essentially the levels of essentially at the levels of that? what's your recent 10% inflation got to do with that? >> for two reasons. first of all, most of us in any walk of life, you don't exactly the life, you don't have exactly the same role. after 15 years, you tend to progress with one organisation or move to a different one. you're not a junior doctor after 15 years. well, we don't know that. but no, no, no. >> can i just. >> can i just. >> jacqueline did describe it correctly. is anyone below and 20 these up to

20 years is these up to consultant level? >> well, i thought we've got very senior doctors which are called junior doctors. >> did set it out >> no, jacqueline did set it out correctly. one below. correctly. it's only one below. consultant correctly. it's only one below. consithought it was. >> i thought it was. >> i thought it was. >> had nine years of >> you had nine years of experience and once you got into your year, you outside your 10th year, you were outside the parameters being a junior doctor. >> you no, they still call them junior doctors. this is why i'm saying it's misleading in a way, because public, you could because the public, we you could sit you think, sit there and you think, oh, it's who've only in it's people who've only been in for years, but it's for a few years, but it's actually people, doctors who've been and they been practising. and then they get to a consultant level, then they move out this they move out of this this what's called doctor what's called a junior doctor being well, being a junior doctor, well, that's first point of call that's the first point of call that's the first point of call that i'd be starting with in these negotiations. that i'd be starting with in the i; negotiations. that i'd be starting with in the i; negotwantis. that i'd be starting with in the i; negotwant my job title to >> i would want my job title to change. yeah. what change. yeah, yeah. if what you're saying you can have 15 you're saying is you can have 15 years doctor experience. 20 years of doctor experience. 20 years. realise were years of doctor experience. 20 year called realise were years of doctor experience. 20 yearcalled a realise were years of doctor experience. 20 year called a junior.e were years of doctor experience. 20 year called a junior doctor. vere years of doctor experience. 20 year called a junior doctor. iere still called a junior doctor. i thought the cut off was about nine years or something. and then start branching out then you start branching out into your specialities or whatever would whatever you do. i would be starting wouldn't starting there. i wouldn't want to as a junior doctor. to be known as a junior doctor. so we've got the bottom of that. >> i answer your other point

briefly, must apologise to briefly, and i must apologise to keith for being discourteous. >> keith, you don't in your view? >> keith sorry. >> keith sorry. >> first of all, the >> so first of all, over the course of 15 years, one's role in any organisation, the media, a whatever tends to a dustman or whatever tends to change change but change or you change jobs. but secondly, know what secondly, none of us know what inflation will be like in 15 years time. think it in years time. and i think it in effect, it would have been for quote junior doctor to quote unquote junior doctor to sign on the dotted because sign on the dotted line because at was at that point, inflation was two, 5, only to two, three, four, 5, only to find inflation is 10 to 12. find out inflation is 10 to 12. so i think it's only been that level in the last couple of years. yeah, but we're all worse off. you, let me off. and i'll tell you, let me give you one stat because i know you to move on food, food, you want to move on food, food, want move on. want to move on. >> want to try and get to the >> i want to try and get to the bottom of food inflation. don't use inflation negotiating tool. >> we never know. i negotiated for didn't know what for years. we didn't know what the inflation rate was to the inflation rate was going to be five time. you do be in five years time. you do negotiate an and you do it at the time and you hope the present time and you hope that it remains reasonable. unfortunately had unfortunately for us, we had covid had the energy covid then. we've had the energy crisis. very a variety of crisis. so a very a variety of things have kicked in were things have kicked in which were not probably expected. if we go

back for example, but back to 2018, for example, but we which has we are where we are, which has been costly. so it's not been hugely costly. so it's not making an excuse, but it's just keeping proportion of when keeping it in proportion of when you're negotiating, you can only negotiate what you think you negotiate on what you think you can get. good negotiation is what you can get. and looking at the climate as it is and hoping that the climate in the next few years will remain stable. but things sure. things i'm not sure. >> i'm i quite agree on >> i'm not sure i quite agree on that because assuming that because that's assuming everything a snapshot of everything is just a snapshot of today. you have you have no today. and you have you have no information about the food, about food 30. about the future food is up 30. now, let's the doctors, now, let's stick to the doctors, though. food. well, we all buy food. >> doctors buy food. >> doctors buy food. >> he's on a he is on about that. he's on about the costs that. he's on about the costs that are incurred by disagree. >> food prices are up 30. we know that inflation is not going to the bank of england. to be the bank of england. target so we know it's not target is 2. so we know it's not going be that it's going to be that tomorrow. it's tracking slowly. going to be that tomorrow. it's trawe |g slowly. going to be that tomorrow. it's trawe know slowly. going to be that tomorrow. it's trawe know inflation slowly. going to be that tomorrow. it's trawe know inflation is slowly. going to be that tomorrow. it's trawe know inflation is going y. going to be that tomorrow. it's trawe know inflation is going to so we know inflation is going to be what experts call elevated be what experts call an elevated rate probably least rate for probably at least another 2 years. so that's another 1 to 2 years. so that's where i part company of jackie, because you to because i think you do have to take into account the kind of

economic forecasts the next year or just or two rather than just negotiate basis of negotiate on the basis of today's only. today's information only. >> yeah, but what you've got to do as well, you've got to take into account this is this is into account this is a this is the nhs in the public sector. once start more and once you start giving more and more say example, more and more, say for example, in area, people are in this area, equally people are saying, but we need money saying, but we need more money in services in in the frontline services in terms treatment we terms of the treatment we receive and the equipment that they the latest cost. they want. and the latest cost. >> you know, this is less and less less in real terms. less and less in real terms. >> no, no, no. i mean, >> no, no, no, no, no. i mean, we— >> no, no, no, no, no. i mean, we we've never spent less and less spent as much as we have now the national health now on the national health service. i mean, in my view, as i've said for many years now, we need to look at how this works, because working. it because it's not working. and it just seems to gobble up funds and seem to put sticking and we seem to put sticking plasters personally plasters over it. i personally and i've said it for years, i've lived in four european countries . i would look at at a mixed service whereby their insurance companies are involved , where companies are involved, where there is a small element of that cake where people can't afford anything at all because this is

the only country that has this service and it's a political football . until people are football. until people are prepared to sit down and look at it and say, let's take this out of politics and see how we're going to move this forward, i don't think we're going to see any improvements. and an any improvements. and i'm an optimist by optimist to privatisation by by by privatisation, by the by nature privatisation, by the back peter on back door, suggests peter on that one. >> ron says give them 15. but lock them into the nhs for the next ten years. yeah would you would you agree with that? christine says i've worked in care all my life, but as a carer our wages are low. but what you're saying is you're going into that profession because you care. you're suggesting that you wouldn't go strike. john says wouldn't go on strike. john says all and you lot all well and good you lot supporting junior doctors if you're and healthy. what you're fit and healthy. what about if you're perhaps not caroline says junior doctors don't care about their patients. i think that's a bit harsh. i think they probably do. are you a this? a junior doctor watching this? what think, tim says? what do you think, tim says? i think this is absolutely shocking for them going on strike again. and glenn says, michelle, you are being naive.

all this is just bandwagon all of this is just bandwagon jumping wanting to be jumping and not wanting to be left they're left out. that's why they're going because everyone going on strike because everyone else you're a harsh man, else is. oh you're a harsh man, glenn. what's glenn. anyway, what's your thoughts it all? victoria it thoughts on it all? victoria it can, course , the health can, of course, the health secretary, she is saying in a statement, i've been clear that i respect the work of doctors in training and i want to work with them to settle that dispute. the junior doctors basically call off their strikes, will immediately look to get back round the table and continue the negotiations . well, you know, negotiations. well, you know, there's another thing i want to talk to you about, which is our military personnel. do you think we value them in this country? i want to to you about the want to talk to you about the state some the state of some of the accommodation that they're expected to live in. why i'll see in a couple of minutes

something for which in the end, the british state has to take responsibility . hi there, responsibility. hi there, michelle dewberry with you till 7:00. >> the conservative life peer in the house of lords, baroness foster, is alongside me, as is

the former editor of labourlist, peter edwards. now, i want to talk to you about the state of the condition lines under which we expect our military personnel are lots of them live. so if are lots of them to live. so if i'm saying to you things like brick and boilers, black mould, leaky roofs , et cetera. leaky roofs, et cetera. apparently that is a daily reality for 1 in apparently that is a daily reality for1 in 3 apparently that is a daily reality for 1 in 3 of apparently that is a daily reality for1 in 3 of our reality for 1 in 3 of our military personnel and of course, their families as well. apparently, they are in some of the lowest quality of defence accommodation that is available. some of this accommodation apparently wouldn't even make the grade to be privately rented out. do you think that we respect our military personnel? jacqueline well, i think we hugely respect our military personnel, but i think something's gone seriously wrong over the last few years. >> i'm actually on the all party political group that's cross—party for the armed forces and obviously we've managed over the last couple of years to increase the budget for the defence. et cetera . you know, defence. et cetera. you know, but this has come to light more and more in the last few years

and more in the last few years and i think i had a look at the numbers and it's around a third of the personnel and their accommodation is not up to scratch. it's not good enough. and i think makes it even and i think what makes it even worse when the public hear things that, are things like that, we are spending day homing spending millions a day homing illegal immigrants into this country and making sure that they're comfortable, quite rightly . but they're in four rightly. but they're in four star hotels and they're in other accommodation , which is accommodation, which is extremely good. then there are complaints from some of them that they don't like the accommodation that they're in. and yet here we have, you know, members of the armed forces staying in accommodation with mould and various things like that. i know that there is now a push because we do meet with heads of military to get this sorted out. and all as i can say is of course they're all on budgets in the mod. they need to be thoughtful about the way they spend money as well and this spend the money as well and this has a priority because we has to be a priority because we haven't got an armed forces without that there

without the personnel that there to serve the country and look after us. >> absolutely, peter. >> absolutely, peter. >> well, we're evidently not showing sufficient respect if 25,000 members of the armed forces are in homes that are, quote unquote deficient, then clearly as a country, there's shortfall. >> and i'm very surprised. obviously, we all owe the army a great debt and the families as well, because you might have a man or a woman who's serving. but of course, their their families make other sacrifices as well. and let give you one as well. and let me give you one example. you or i renting, example. if you or i renting, then subject to affordability, we can move. but, know , i'd we can move. but, you know, i'd imagine a bit more imagine it's a bit more difficult just move difficult to just just move houseif difficult to just just move house if you're an armed forces family . so i've got huge respect family. so i've got huge respect for the army and i'm very sad and i'm puzzled why it has got to this position which seems endemic. 25,000. yeah it is. >> i mean , apparently nearly >> i mean, apparently nearly 1400 are living in houses that are in such poor condition and they can't be charged rent under government rules. i mean, ijust

i find this just so shameful. and i've got to say as well, the ministry of defence, they've been speaking out about this. they're saying over the next decade we're committed to spending more than billion to spending more than £4 billion to make improvements to existing accommodation and build new living quarters for our service personnel. you i touched on this right, about the amount of money that people that we the taxpayers, are spending in terms of putting people up on these four star hotels. i then remember things like bibby remember things like the bibby stockholm immediately stockholm and people immediately start about the standards start crying about the standards of the accommodation, saying it's not fit for these people that are crossing the channel, etcetera. are the people etcetera. where are the people then? all these people take to etcetera. where are the people the|streets hese people take to etcetera. where are the people the|streets cryingaople take to etcetera. where are the people the|streets crying abouttake to etcetera. where are the people the|streets crying about the to the streets crying about the so—called conditions that the asylum seekers would would live under on the bibby stockholm, which i don't agree with them, by but whatever. where by the way, but whatever. where are same people taking are those same people taking to the campaigning about the streets campaigning about the streets campaigning about the for the the living standards for the army personnel as an example ? army personnel as an example? well, well, well they don't. >> and irony that the >> and the irony was that the bibby stockholm has been used

for many years. lots of contract actors, obviously, that at actors, obviously, that work at sea, ports, etcetera. sea, work in ports, etcetera. it's been used as accommodation for them and it was certainly good, good enough for them. and it was then upgraded to receive actually the, the illegal immigrants that were obviously put there. and there were all sorts of complaints about that. they are there now. i think. but no, you're quite right. whereas everybody protesting about our armed as they protest armed forces as they protest about everybody else, well, are you in the armed forces ? you in the armed forces? >> are you perhaps a veteran? what do make that story? what do you make to that story? now, this, everybody , be now, get this, everybody, be nearly 9 million brits apparently be on antidepressants . what do you make to that ? is . what do you make to that? is this just fine and normal ? are this just fine and normal? are we perhaps over medicalizing emotions in this country or is there something else going on? you tell me and i'll see you in a couple of minutes

hi there, michelle. be with you till 7:00 alongside me, baroness foster and peter edwards remain . foster and peter edwards remain. you guys have been getting in touch and we're just talking there about some of the standards of accommodation that we military personnel we expect our military personnel to in. someone who was to live in. someone who was asked anonymous, asked to remain anonymous, anonymous currently anonymous says, i'm currently serving in army serving and living in army accommodation. he says the big problem is that basically the mod of hired contractors to manage these states and you have to often wait months for repairs, even when it's urgent, he says. also, you get charged stupid amounts of money for small damages when you leave. and he goes on to conclude he thinks that private companies are profiteering military are profiteering off military personnel . well, there's a lot personnel. well, there's a lot of people coming through with similar one of you here similar stories. one of you here just explaining you've just explaining that you've lived says his son lived sorry. mark says his son lived sorry. mark says his son lived in military accommodation, very recently. he didn't have reliable hot water or heating for two years. and he says that there were no funds to enable there were no funds to enable the repairs. someone else here says, yes, we do indeed treat

our military poorly because we think that they are people that are easily easy come, easy go. i think that's a very sad state of affairs, isn't it? let me ask you about this. there's 8.6 million people in england, apparently that are on anti depress licence. now, there's been an open letter written in saying asking for fewer antidepressants to be prescribed , suggesting that we are perhaps over medicalizing problems , eyes over medicalizing problems, eyes and emotions. jacqueline where are you on it. >> well, i completely agree. i think the issue that we've got and i've mentioned it before, is that the national health service, rather than being preventative, tends to be reactionary . see, i was very reactionary. see, i was very close to somebody who did have a serious mental health issue and had to be sectioned under the mental health act and there's a real differentiation between serious mental health issues and then others, which i think could be treated in a very different way because we're not talking

about everybody with schizophrenia here. a lot of this is to do with lifestyle . this is to do with lifestyle. well, you know, sometimes we all get fed up and then and then i remember when we were little and we were told to sort of shake out of it. it's not for easy everybody, but lifestyle , i everybody, but lifestyle, i think, is one of the main things i think people get very depressed if they're not working and they're the of people and they're the sort of people that like to work, particularly if lose their job. people if they lose their job. people get and very get very depressed and very unwell. if they lose circle of unwell. if they lose a circle of friends . so i think there are friends. so i think there are a variety of things. and then we have to look at how can we deal with those sorts of things and get people and running. get people back up and running. so that the medical so i think that the medical profession can at times not profession can at times it's not all them, but too often they all of them, but too often they are . they are they are basically are. they are they are basically trying again , stick that trying to again, stick that sticking plaster over it instead of the cause of what of sorting out the cause of what is wrong with that patient. why is wrong with that patient. why is that patient want these anti depressants? some depressants? because some will definitely need them. and deaung definitely need them. and dealing core issue dealing with the core issue rather than just doling out medication, which i think is

completely the wrong thing to do i >> -- >> peter well, i think jacqueline's answer underlined the complexities really, of trying to solve something that's so worrying so saddening so worrying and so saddening because of us do because many of us do have friends who've had mild or severe mental illnesses and we know they're all individuals that need individual treatment rather than a one size fits all answer. but perhaps where i disagree again is this thing about lifestyle , because about lifestyle, because depression can be caused by what doctors call situational events . doctors call situational events. bereavement, losing a job, perhaps too obvious ones, but it can also be caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. can also be caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain . so. imbalance in the brain. so. >> well, let me explore that. so if you have a bereavement, if your mam dies, well, you're going mean, if you care going to be i mean, if you care about mum, going to about your mum, you're going to be in a state that's not an illness, is it? that's a normal, natural, human natural, emotional human reaction. i'm not saying it's a pleasant reaction. i'm not wishing anybody, on the contrary. >> but grief, grief. >> but grief, grief. >> sadly. we'll all >> but sadly. so. we'll all experience our lifetime experience grief in our lifetime because we'll all lose someone we care about. but also for some people can last a lifetime

people that can last a lifetime and grief can become something medical. now we know we're all going to have bereavement, and that will probably be the worst moment in our life. but these cnses moment in our life. but these crises that we do have bereavement and unemployment and sometimes things like housing or relationship failure, or they can be triggers well . so can be triggers as well. so that's why i didn't use the word grief, because i think it's a very different thing. the other point i'd make briefly from this story, it's asking story, which is it's asking a lot questions you lot of questions and, you know, the wrote it are the people that wrote it are very serious. former chief executive the some executive of the nhs, some doctors. so they're not laypeople. layperson. laypeople. and i'm a layperson. and and speak for and to try and speak for humility, know, is humility, but we don't know, is it there more depression in it is there more depression in or diagnosis of it or is there more diagnosis of it or is there more diagnosis of it or is there more diagnosis of it or is there more inaccurate prescribing? now, i don't think we can know answer to that. we can know the answer to that. i think there's an issue, though, with elderly and though, with the elderly and older people and you see it in care homes sometimes and you see it generally and quite often people get anxious and they are obviously given antidepressants andifs obviously given antidepressants and it's probably not antidepressants that they need. well, yeah. i mean , anxiety is well, yeah. i mean, anxiety is a different type of disorder,

isn't are they given >> but are they given antidepressants for it? that's the problem. >> the things, i think, >> one of the things, i think, is that our nations shame actually is of the waiting actually is all of the waiting lists access mental health lists to access mental health and counselling and all rest and counselling and all the rest of it, especially as well. when you think about is it comes the children's if any of children's services, if any of you kids grandkids you have got kids or grandkids that struggling, sometimes, you have got kids or grandkids that know, ruggling, sometimes, you have got kids or grandkids that know, ruggnot], sometimes, you have got kids or grandkids that know, ruggnot medication s, you know, it's not medication they it's actually time they need. it's actually time and to through and space to work through challenges and all rest of challenges and all the rest of it. many of you well, one of you has just said to me as well, a point that i think is interesting. you're saying that people used to overprescribe antibiotics for all ailments. you're have you're asking have antidepressants basically become the new antibiotic ? look who's the new antibiotic? look who's this? hazel says , i needed them this? hazel says, i needed them after covid and all the rest of it. but she says, i've come to terms what was causing my depression personally and i will soon, hopefully be coming off them, says hazel. well, i wish you all very best and anyone you all the very best and anyone thatis you all the very best and anyone that is suffering suffer that is suffering don't suffer in silence . there's no shame in in silence. there's no shame in not being well, and there's no

shame in needing help. and asking for help is a great strength about you ask strength about it, if you ask me. peter, thank you for me. anyway peter, thank you for your company this evening. jacqueline yours thank jacqueline for yours too. thank you. don't go anywhere. you. at home. don't go anywhere. up you. at home. don't go anywhere. up tonight, up next richard tice tonight, a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather update from the met office it will be a colder night tonight than last night the night because much of the country will be clear country will be under clear spells. that's because the rain many of us have seen through today this low today brought by this low pressure, is pushing to the pressure, is pushing off to the east and behind it, we've got a bit more of a settled interlude, at least that will at least at least that will last at least through wednesday. so plenty of clear there. this clear spells out there. this evening. and frost developing evening. and a frost developing quite temperatures quite quickly. so temperatures will off quickly will drop off quite quickly tonight. there's an ice warning in force across eastern areas of scotland. mist scotland. we'll see some mist and fog developing across parts of wales and the south—west of england. be widely a england. and it will be widely a frosty start to the day tomorrow. there will be some

tomorrow. but there will be some sunshine around, particularly across and across northern areas and eastern areas where the sunshine should of the day. should last for much of the day. further though, the further west, though, the sunshine turn hazier sunshine will turn hazier throughout the day once mist throughout the day once any mist and clears and you can see and fog clears and you can see across parts of northern ireland, there will be rain arriving . that rain arriving by lunchtime. that rain will parts wales as will push into parts of wales as well by the end of well as cornwall. by the end of the as well. temperatures the day as well. temperatures will start rise, in will start to rise, though, in the with more of a the west with more of a southwesterly breeze the southwesterly breeze in the east, still feeling southwesterly breeze in the east, chilly still feeling southwesterly breeze in the east, chilly with:ill feeling southwesterly breeze in the east, chilly with only�*eling southwesterly breeze in the east, chilly with only highs of quite chilly with only highs of around 3 4 degrees. and then around 3 or 4 degrees. and then thursday's to a widely thursday's going to be a widely more day. there are warnings more wet day. there are warnings in force heavy rain across in force for heavy rain across many western well as many western areas as well as parts of scotland, too. there could be some difficult driving conditions because of the rain and the rain will last through the rest of the week, friday and into the weekend . but into the weekend. but temperatures will start to rise into double figures by looks like things are heating up. >> boxed spoilers, sponsors of weather on .

gb news. well. and a very good evening. >> welcome to farage here at 7:00 on gb news action packed show folks and good news. yes, the home secretary fresh from sorting out his five point plan about immigration yesterday . about immigration yesterday. he's a busy man. he's down in rwanda . apparently, he's sort it rwanda. apparently, he's sort it all out. nothing to worry about at all. bad news, though, once again , bad news about the again, bad news about the quality of our accommodation and housing for our armed forces. i'm appalled. we'll be digging into that big time. more bad news. i'm sorry to say. yes. the junior doctors, we thought it had been sorted , but no, they're had been sorted, but no, they're coming out on strike. the longest ever strike under believable. and guess what? apparently on i'm a celebrity .

apparently on i'm a celebrity. you might